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WOMAN CLAIMS TO BE MISSING CHERRIE MAHAN, 8, WHO VANISHED AT BUS STOP;MISSING BOY’S FAMILY SCARED OF IMPOSTER POSING AS TIMMOTHY · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: A woman claiming to be missing Cherry Mahon, eight years
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  Speaker 2: old when she vanishes at a bus stop.
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  Speaker 1: Has emerged. Is this real?
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  Speaker 2: What happened to eight year old Cherry? I'm Nancy Grace.
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  Speaker 2: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: In the last days.
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  Speaker 2: A woman claiming to be Cherry Mahon who goes missing
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  Speaker 2: at just age eight has emerged. What happened in the case?
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  Speaker 2: I want you to take a listen to this.
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  Speaker 3: Janis and Leroy McKinney. Here Cherry's bus arriving to drop
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  Speaker 3: off Cherry, and Leroy wants to walk down the hill
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  Speaker 3: to meet his daughter, but Janet says, wait, it's a
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  Speaker 3: nice day. Let her walk. Ten minutes past and Cherry
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  Speaker 3: hasn't made it up the driveway, so the McKinney's decide
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  Speaker 3: to walk down the driveway. As they walk, they don't
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  Speaker 3: see Cherry, nor did they see any of her footprints
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  Speaker 3: in the snow leading up the driveway. On the driveway,
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  Speaker 3: about fifty yards from the house, they see tire impressions
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  Speaker 3: in the snow soil of the driveway.
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  Speaker 1: Joy mean All Star panel.
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  Speaker 2: But first I want to go to Molly Miller, crime
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  Speaker 2: reporter at the Butler Eagle.
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  Speaker 1: Mollie, thank you so much for being with us.
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  Speaker 2: What exactly do we believe happened the morning Cherry went missing.
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  Speaker 2: I'll get to the woman climbing to be Cherry in
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  Speaker 2: just a moment, but I want to establish what happened.
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  Speaker 4: All we know is that this bluish green van with
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  Speaker 4: the mountain skier on the side was following the bus.
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  Speaker 4: She exits the bus with three other kids and seemingly
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  Speaker 4: starts to walk up the driveway, but at that point
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  Speaker 4: people don't really know where she went after that. There's
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  Speaker 4: no reported sighting from anyone. She's last seen wearing a
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  Speaker 4: gray jacket, blue jean skirt, some leg warmers and some earmuffs,
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  Speaker 4: and no clothing is ever found, and her stepdad reportedly
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  Speaker 4: came down to check for her just ten minutes after
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  Speaker 4: they heard the bus pull up. So really it seems
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  Speaker 4: as if she's vanished into thin.
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  Speaker 2: Air, you know, irv Brant, I actually think that's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of information.
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  Speaker 1: Why because we have a.
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  Speaker 2: Date, and we have a very narrow window of time
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  Speaker 2: in which Cherry disappears, or Brent, you and I have
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  Speaker 2: talked about this many many times.
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  Speaker 1: Did you know.
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  Speaker 2: Over thirty percent of child kidnaps and disappearances have something
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  Speaker 2: to do with the school route, either getting to the
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  Speaker 2: bus stop, getting on the bus, getting off the bus,
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  Speaker 2: walking to school, coming home from school. Do you know
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  Speaker 2: over thirty percent of child kidnaps relate to the school bus.
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  Speaker 1: Or getting to and from school. And I believe that
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  Speaker 1: is exactly what happened here.
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  Speaker 5: I agree, Nancy, when cases like this and it's obviously
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  Speaker 5: this child was targeted. This was an kidnap of opportunity.
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  Speaker 5: This appears to be someone you know, researched this new
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  Speaker 5: the route, you know, because other children got off the
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  Speaker 5: bus at the same time, but she was targeted in particular,
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  Speaker 5: and she disappears without a trace. That would lead you
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  Speaker 5: to believe, you know, this was pre planned, and there's
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  Speaker 5: no telling how much pre planning went into it. Obviously
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  Speaker 5: quite a bit, because no viable leads were generated right
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  Speaker 5: after the kidnapping.
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  Speaker 2: There's a five thousand dollar reward in the search for Cherry.
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  Speaker 2: I want to go back to Molly Miller, a crime
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  Speaker 2: reporter at the Butler Eagle. Mollie, again, I think we've
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  Speaker 2: got a lot of information, even though.
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  Speaker 1: This case hasn't been solved yet.
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  Speaker 2: For instance, very often when a child goes missing, you
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  Speaker 2: look at the immediate family, right, you look at mommy,
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  Speaker 2: you look at daddy, You look at step mommy stepdaddy.
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  Speaker 1: In this case, you have the bio mom and the stepfather.
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  Speaker 2: They hear the bus arrive, they're waiting for Cherry to
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  Speaker 2: come up the driveway. They see each other, and I
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  Speaker 2: have no reason to doubt what the biological mother is saying. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: nothing suggests stepfather stole this child. And another thing regarding
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  Speaker 2: the stepfather, who would immediately come under suspicion because the
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  Speaker 2: male member of the family is always a suspect until
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  Speaker 2: cleared the nine one one is made. The alarm is
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  Speaker 2: raised so quickly after the school bus stops. As soon
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  Speaker 2: as they go out and they see she's not there,
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  Speaker 2: they contact police. That narrows the window of time stepdad
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  Speaker 2: could have been involved. And this is why we know
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  Speaker 2: exactly what time that school bus was there. We have
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  Speaker 2: the little friends that got off the school bus with her.
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  Speaker 2: Other people saw the school bus. Then you compare that
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  Speaker 2: to the time that she was reported missing. There's not
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  Speaker 2: really time for stepdad to take the child. What molest
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  Speaker 2: her and kill her. There's no time. If you look
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  Speaker 2: at the timeline, Molly Miller.
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  Speaker 4: There is some speculation because I mean, it all goes
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  Speaker 4: back to that van following the school bus. There's a
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  Speaker 4: lot of speculation actually that the van itself was just
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  Speaker 4: a transport vehicle to another location. It's possible that she
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  Speaker 4: was put in another vehicle. There was people seeing a
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  Speaker 4: blue compact vehicle in that area at the same time,
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  Speaker 4: so it's possible that number one, there were multiple people involved.
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  Speaker 4: And I mean, FBI has done a profile on Cherry's
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  Speaker 4: potential abductor and it all points back to it had
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  Speaker 4: to have been someone she knows to have not raised alarm,
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  Speaker 4: and again in such a short period of time, it's
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  Speaker 4: very unlikely that she was afraid of going with this
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  Speaker 4: person who did take.
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  Speaker 2: Her to Lynshaw joining us, founder and executive director of
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  Speaker 2: Lynn's Lawyers, an organization committed to ending human trafficking and
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  Speaker 2: sex exploitation, specifically of children. Lynn, thank you so much
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  Speaker 2: for being with us. The first thing I want to
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  Speaker 2: do is try to rule out the parents. Okay, why
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  Speaker 2: because statistically they or a family member is responsible for
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  Speaker 2: missing children. Right, that's a given, that's a statistic, And
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  Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say is that that's a huge
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  Speaker 2: piece of this puzzle.
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  Speaker 1: We know the answer. It's not the step dad, it's
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  Speaker 1: not the mother.
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  Speaker 2: Based on the timeline alone, that's very significant in Cherry's disappearance.
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  Speaker 2: I can't stress it enough. Yes, it opens up a
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  Speaker 2: whole nother avenue of inquiry, of investigation.
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  Speaker 1: But that's the.
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  Speaker 2: First hurdle is ruling out mom, dad, step mom, stepdad.
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  Speaker 1: That's the first thing you do, Liam.
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  Speaker 6: It's the first thing Nancy you do. But the second
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  Speaker 6: thing you always do immediate family members. Now the next
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  Speaker 6: thing you have to look at the bus driver. Why
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  Speaker 6: aren't we looking more? There have been some reports looking
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  Speaker 6: at the bus driver? What about school school teachers. I
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  Speaker 6: don't understand, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: You're a mom. I'm a mom.
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  Speaker 6: The worst thing in the world as your child disappears,
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  Speaker 6: and nobody seems to know anything. We do know from
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  Speaker 6: law enforcement and from all our work at the Warriors,
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  Speaker 6: it is most likely somebody that knows Cherry, a family member.
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  Speaker 6: She was eight years old. She didn't scream. We don't
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  Speaker 6: know anything. If the father could hear the school bus
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  Speaker 6: up the drive driveway, he didn't hear anything else, cars
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  Speaker 6: peeling off, the bus taking off.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I think we have a lot of information here and
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  Speaker 6: for all the cherries out there. We cannot stop until
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  Speaker 6: we explore every single aspect of this case. We have
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  Speaker 6: to search for all these missing children.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting you mentioned the bus driver, and
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  Speaker 2: of course you got to look at the bus driver.
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  Speaker 2: But by all accounts, the bus driver drove off. He
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  Speaker 2: didn't take cherry. Although you have to look. When we
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  Speaker 2: say someone she knows, that doesn't mean it's the uncle
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  Speaker 2: or the grandpa. It could be, as you're saying, a
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  Speaker 2: bus driver, a school teacher, a neighbor, a neighbor. How
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  Speaker 2: easily could a neighbor have snatched her and taken her
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  Speaker 2: into his home, raped her and murdered her very easily?
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  Speaker 1: She was gone just like that.
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  Speaker 2: So I know we're talking about the potential two car
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  Speaker 2: theory that multiple people were involved in stealing cherry. But
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  Speaker 2: I often think, or brand that the most obvious.
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  Speaker 1: Answer is the answer.
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  Speaker 2: Herb Brandt is joining me guys Senior Inspector US Marshall
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  Speaker 2: Service International Investigations. He was also with DJ in international affairs.
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  Speaker 2: He has worked all over the world with the US government,
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  Speaker 2: including embassies abroad, trying to bring home and missing people
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  Speaker 2: and catch perps that have absconded.
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  Speaker 1: Is the author of a whole series of books about.
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  Speaker 2: Jack Solo, who I believe is IRV Brandt, specifically Flying Solo,
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  Speaker 2: Top of the World and more.
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  Speaker 1: IRV way in on this.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm not saying I always think it that walks
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  Speaker 2: like a duck, quacks like a duck, looks like a duck,
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  Speaker 2: it's a duck, but very often it is.
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  Speaker 5: You're exactly right, Nancy, and that's where you start an investigation.
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  Speaker 5: You start an investigation with the most obvious it's Alkham's
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  Speaker 5: raisor the simplest explanation is usually the correct explanation. So
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  Speaker 5: when you're investigating the case, the first thing you look
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  Speaker 5: for is to fam members, and you're just going on
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  Speaker 5: that by past history of cases where and missing persons
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  Speaker 5: cases family members are usually somehow involved. Then you expand
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  Speaker 5: it out to neighbors, to people that know it, like
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  Speaker 5: you were talking about bus driver, teacher, someone like that,
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  Speaker 5: someone who knows the routes, and then you expand further,
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  Speaker 5: and then eventually you're going to get into complex theories.
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  Speaker 5: When you start running out of leads or lack of leads,
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  Speaker 5: you're going to start venturing into complex theories of multiple
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  Speaker 5: vehicles and multiple people and things. And it is possible,
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  Speaker 5: but like you said before, it's not likely. And usually
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  Speaker 5: the simplest explanation is the correct explanation.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's really hard for me to believe that
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  Speaker 2: there are multiple kidnappers going after this one little girl,
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  Speaker 2: and after all.
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  Speaker 1: This time, no one has blabbed.
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  Speaker 2: It's possible, yes, probable, No, although I am very interested
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  Speaker 2: in the van. To Mollie Miller, a crime reporter at
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  Speaker 2: Butler Eagle, tell me about the van. We've referred to it,
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  Speaker 2: but describe it for me.
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  Speaker 4: So an initial sketch came out a few days after
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  Speaker 4: Cherry was abducted. It was described by school children as
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  Speaker 4: a blue or green van with a mountain scene and
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  Speaker 4: skier or skiers painted on the side. There's some discrepancy there.
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  Speaker 4: It also had porthole windows in the back. But less
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  Speaker 4: than a week after her disappearance, people started speculating that
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  Speaker 4: maybe it was a bush beer van given the similarity
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  Speaker 4: of the landscape on the side. So people were searching
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  Speaker 4: into that. Police were searching into it and they got
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  Speaker 4: nearly I mean, over the years four hundred reports of
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  Speaker 4: this one van being seen in West Virginia, all across
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  Speaker 4: the county, even as close as Pittsburgh. But unfortunately nothing
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  Speaker 4: has been really nailed down as far as the make
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  Speaker 4: of the van. The closest speculation people have as it's
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  Speaker 4: a nineteen seventy six Dodge style van.
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  Speaker 1: And describe what is painted on the side of it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, so people are saying it's a mountain scene, specifically
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  Speaker 4: one peak of a mountain going up the center of
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  Speaker 4: the van, almost overlapping the windows, and this would be
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  Speaker 4: a white mountain blue background, and then a skier going
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  Speaker 4: down the side. It appears to be the left side
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  Speaker 4: of the slope. People are saying it's either painted on
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  Speaker 4: or it was decaled on and stuck on.
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  Speaker 2: Parents call police immediately, which even narrows the timeline more
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  Speaker 2: the timeline in which this eight year old little girl
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  Speaker 2: could be snatched off the bus. In the last days,
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  Speaker 2: a woman claims she is Cherry Listen.
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  Speaker 3: A woman logs onto the Memories of Cherry may And
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  Speaker 3: Facebook page claiming to be the little girl last seen
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  Speaker 3: walking from her school bus to the driveway of her
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  Speaker 3: house Cherry's mother, Janice McKinney, sees the post and contacts
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  Speaker 3: the Pennsylvania State Police. The State Police have their own
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  Speaker 3: contact with a woman when she leaves them a voicemail
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  Speaker 3: making the same claim she is Cherry Mayhon. Janis McKinney
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  Speaker 3: knows better than to get her hopes up, as three
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  Speaker 3: other women have come forward previously making the same claim.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my stars, let's just put in the family through
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  Speaker 2: more pure hell by a woman claiming to be Cherry
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  Speaker 2: or is she? Mollie Miller joining us investigative reporter at
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  Speaker 2: the Butler Eagle, Mollie tell me about this woman now
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  Speaker 2: claiming she's Cherry.
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  Speaker 4: Well, as she said, she logs in to the public
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  Speaker 4: Facebook forum Memories of Cherry Mayhan and the post literally
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  Speaker 4: just reads I am Cherry Mayhan and has a phone
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  Speaker 4: number that actually comes out from Tennessee. And then she,
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  Speaker 4: I guess, has some back and forth with some people
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  Speaker 4: in the forum and becomes fair aggressive. The posts have
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  Speaker 4: since been taken down, but one of the administrators of
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  Speaker 4: the page said that because of the aggression of the comments,
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  Speaker 4: there was cause for suspicion. She did leave a voicemail
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  Speaker 4: with police, but then wouldn't respond to any return at calls.
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  Speaker 4: A couple days later, police actually said that they were
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  Speaker 4: able to review fingerprints from this woman calling herself Cherry,
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  Speaker 4: but it was not a match.
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  Speaker 2: This has happened many times in the past and other
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  Speaker 2: missing child cases.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't it a simple matter of DNA listen?
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  Speaker 7: Investigating the recent online post in a voicemail message left
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  Speaker 7: with the state Police from a woman claiming to be
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  Speaker 7: Cherry Mahan, investigators go to work trying to verify the claim,
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  Speaker 7: reaching out to the woman that the phone number and
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  Speaker 7: address she left. Pennsylvania State Police investigators failed to make
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  Speaker 7: contact with the woman at the phone number and address
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  Speaker 7: provided by the person. However, investigators obtained fingerprints for the
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  Speaker 7: name of the person left by the caller, and they
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  Speaker 7: are not a match with Cherry Mahan.
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  Speaker 2: The search continues, so that match or mismatch in this
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  Speaker 2: case is made from taking the woman claiming to be
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  Speaker 2: Cherry Man and comparing it to known prince A little girl, Cherry,
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  Speaker 2: your fingerprints don't change. Your fingertips may grow from childhood, obviously,
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  Speaker 2: but the sworld patterns on your fingertips never change. No
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  Speaker 2: one has a perfect match to your fingerprints. Even if
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  Speaker 2: you're an identical twin. As I said, this has happened
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  Speaker 2: so many times in the past, people coming forward claiming
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  Speaker 2: their high profile missing child.
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  Speaker 1: I guess one of the most famous.
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  Speaker 2: Of those cases would be that a little girl, Mattie mckinn.
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  Speaker 3: Listen, The search for Mattie McCann seems to be over
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  Speaker 3: as a woman on Facebook claims to be the little
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  Speaker 3: girl who disappears from a hotel room while on vacation
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  Speaker 3: with her parents. Julia Wendell a DNA test that proves
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  Speaker 3: she is one hundred percent Polish and not Mattie McCann,
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  Speaker 3: But that doesn't stop Wendell from showing up at a
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  Speaker 3: memorial service to commemorate the anniversary of Mattie's disappearance, hoping
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  Speaker 3: to get Kate and Jerry McCann to provide a DNA
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  Speaker 3: sample that the hoaxer claims will prove she is their
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  Speaker 3: missing daughter. Wendall has done this before, claiming to be
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  Speaker 3: a missing German schoolgirl and a missing American toddler.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my stars, what a fake you know?
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  Speaker 2: Er Bryant joining us, you have traveled the world, finding
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  Speaker 2: missing people and apprehending convicts and fugitives.
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  Speaker 1: The Mattie McCann case blew.
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  Speaker 2: Up when Mattie was taken from a vacation rental and
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  Speaker 2: her parents have led us search for Maddie for years,
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  Speaker 2: and then this woman jumps up claiming she's Mattie McCann.
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  Speaker 1: Do you recall this?
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  Speaker 5: That's correct, Nancy the uh as you know, and I
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  Speaker 5: know in these high profile cases, you've get a lot
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  Speaker 5: of disturbed people calling in and their need for attention,
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  Speaker 5: and it has unfortunately you have well not unfortunately, but
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  Speaker 5: you have to follow every lead and you've got to
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  Speaker 5: disprove this and it's part of the job, and it's
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  Speaker 5: a waste of time and it's a waste of resources,
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  Speaker 5: but it's something that has to be done every single time.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, Mattie McCann's faker, the impersonator pretending to be Maddie,
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  Speaker 2: causing all sorts of pain to Mattie's parents.
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  Speaker 1: That happened straight back.
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  Speaker 2: To Lynn Shaw joining us, founder and director of Lynn's Warriors.
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  Speaker 1: I wonder what.
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  Speaker 2: Motivates people to pretend they're the missing child.
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  Speaker 1: All these years later.
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  Speaker 2: And it breaks my heart that Cherry's mom tries to
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  Speaker 2: quote not get her hopes up when she hears that
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  Speaker 2: someone has emerged claiming to be Cherry.
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  Speaker 1: That means that she is so at the end of.
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  Speaker 2: Her rope, so beaten down, she doesn't even dare to
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  Speaker 2: hope anymore.
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  Speaker 6: I have so many questions, Nancy. First of all, people
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  Speaker 6: seek attention, especially in the last two decades with the Internet.
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  Speaker 6: Everybody wants their fifteen minutes of fame.
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  Speaker 1: I have so many.
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  Speaker 6: Questions, such as, there's the Cherry Mayhan Facebook group. There's
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  Speaker 6: lots of Facebook groups with missing children. I want to
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  Speaker 6: know why this particular woman, as far as we know
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  Speaker 6: it's a woman, is claiming to be Cherry. Why is
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  Speaker 6: she on that Facebook group? I also want to know,
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  Speaker 6: what if this woman claiming to be Cherry, who gave
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  Speaker 6: the name to the police, the phone number to the police.
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  Speaker 6: What if she just gave it another person's name, So
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  Speaker 6: of course the fingerprints aren't going to match at all.
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  Speaker 6: I have so many questions. I go back to even
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  Speaker 6: the van. The first thing I do is pull in
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  Speaker 6: a garage somewhere and get rid of the very locally
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  Speaker 6: nearby and switch off. It has to be in this
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  Speaker 6: circle of somebody Cherry knows. And the other thing is
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  Speaker 6: the internet. The Internet we have to keep talking about
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  Speaker 6: it as great at it as it is, and it's
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  Speaker 6: not going away. It is fueling these people to come
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  Speaker 6: forward just to say and get their kicks. And that's
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  Speaker 6: the way I have to put it.
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  Speaker 1: Kicks.
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  Speaker 6: We have a well documented mental health crisis in the
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  Speaker 6: United States and now people have found a new avenue
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  Speaker 6: of tormenting, tormenting parents and family members of missing kids.
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  Speaker 6: And there are a lot of Cherry's stories out there
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: and it has to be more well vetted. The other
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: thing I want to leave you with, we have so
• 19:39
  Speaker 6: much advances in DNA. As everybody knows. What about the advances.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: We work with a lot of great tech people. If
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: this person was on that Facebook page, they should be
• 19:48
  Speaker 6: able to go back and track that URL where she
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: was communicating from. So I have lots of questions, Nancy
• 19:55
  Speaker 6: that need answers.
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: Speaking of DNA, I wonder if Cherry's da has been
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: added into the DNA database.
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: It's not hard to do.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: You don't have to have a bugle swab or give
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: your blood in order for there to be a DNA.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: Profile of you.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: It's simply a matter of parents using her hair brush
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: or her toothbrush or items of.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Her clothing or sheets.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: It may have her hair or skin follicles or skin
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: on that you know to herv brand. That would be
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: a major step forward to find out if her DNA
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: is in a DNA databank.
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: I agree, Nancy, scientific evidence, it's some of the best
• 20:40
  Speaker 5: evidence you know. When we're talking about fingerprints. Fingerprints are
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: one reliable if you have someone claiming to be or
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: someone you think to be, the missing person can be
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: done through fingerprints in the same way with DNA. So
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: if you can put the DNA into the database and
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: you could possibly get hits and it just generates more
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: leads for the ball.
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: Six year old Timothy Pittson, picked up by mom at school,
• 21:17
  Speaker 8: vanishes a whirlwind destinationless journey ensues ended by his mom's
• 21:23
  Speaker 8: hotels suicide. But where is Timothy?
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: By all accounts, Mommy would never have hurt her child,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and now these years later, Timothy's family living in fear.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: In f you're of what an impostor posing as Timothy?
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: What do we know? First of all, take a.
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: Listen to this will was the last time you saw
• 21:50
  Speaker 9: your son alive?
• 21:52
  Speaker 10: I dropped him off kindergarten that morning. She usually drops
• 21:55
  Speaker 10: him off at kindergarten, I pick him up after kindergarten,
• 21:58
  Speaker 10: take him a daycare, and I get out for work
• 22:00
  Speaker 10: and I pick them up at daycare and take him home.
• 22:02
  Speaker 9: But the school knows you and your wife both Yes,
• 22:05
  Speaker 9: what was the last thing he said to you? And
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: you said to him?
• 22:09
  Speaker 10: He said, love your dad and goalsia after school, buddy,
• 22:12
  Speaker 10: and I watched him run off the class.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: That's Timothy's dad speaking out to our friend, doctor Field.
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: So what else do we know happened? Listen?
• 22:21
  Speaker 11: Timothy lived in Aurora, Illinois with his mother Amy and
• 22:25
  Speaker 11: father Jim. On May eleventh, twenty eleven, Amy picked up
• 22:29
  Speaker 11: Timothy from school. Cameras there captured the pair together that morning.
• 22:35
  Speaker 11: Later that day, when Timothy's father realized that they were gone,
• 22:39
  Speaker 11: he reported them missing. Investigators say Amy and Timothy traveled
• 22:44
  Speaker 11: more than five hundred miles over two days and were
• 22:47
  Speaker 11: captured together on surveillance video several times. This is the
• 22:52
  Speaker 11: last known sighting of Timothy ten ten am May thirteenth,
• 22:56
  Speaker 11: twenty eleven. They are seen checking out of a Wisconsin resort.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: The mom leaves behind a note stating that Timothy is
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: with a family that will keep him safe and where
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: he will never be found. But after she signs him
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: out of school minutes.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: To the dad.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: Oh, by the way, you were seeing that from our
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: friends at NIKMA National Center Missing Exploited Children.
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: After she signs him out from school.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Let me go to our panel, Alexis Terreschik, joining me
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: crime online dot Com investigative reporter. She takes him, first
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: of all, taking him out of school to take him
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: to a water park and on a very circuitous route
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: to fun adventures.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: That's all well and good.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: You know, I used to take John David out of
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: play school and then real school to go bowling.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, is that right? Probably not?
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, So when I first heard that, I wasn't disturbed.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: But wait a minute.
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: They go from correct me if I'm wrong, Alexis to
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: the Brookville Zoo and then they go to a water
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: park Wisconsin, Dell's Kalahari Resort.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: Then they check.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Out of a hotel and head back to Illinois that morning.
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Now in the car, isn't this true, alexis that Amy?
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: The mom makes multiple phone calls to family and they
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: can hear Timothy in the background. In fact, at one
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: point he's saying, hey, Mom, I'm hungry.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: Nothing is a miss.
• 24:26
  Speaker 12: Alexis nothing at all. She called her mom. Her mom
• 24:30
  Speaker 12: heard the little boy in the background they were talking.
• 24:32
  Speaker 12: He did say he was hungry. They stopped at gas
• 24:34
  Speaker 12: stations and bought snacks and food. They stayed in hotels
• 24:38
  Speaker 12: where there was food. There was nothing that anybody was
• 24:41
  Speaker 12: worried about because they heard that he was alive. They
• 24:44
  Speaker 12: could hear him in the car, and that's what mom did.
• 24:47
  Speaker 12: She picked him up.
• 24:47
  Speaker 13: They went to a zoo was about forty five miles away,
• 24:50
  Speaker 13: forty five minute drive. Then they head up to the
• 24:52
  Speaker 13: Wisconsin mails where I've actually been on vacation. It is
• 24:55
  Speaker 13: like Vegas for water parks. The entire town is just
• 25:00
  Speaker 13: full of different water park resorts. It is heaven for
• 25:03
  Speaker 13: children and families. And she went there with him. They
• 25:06
  Speaker 13: went to water park. They had a great time. Security
• 25:08
  Speaker 13: footage caught them leaving there. The husband, though, is the
• 25:12
  Speaker 13: one that said something's amiss. I've spoken to her, but
• 25:16
  Speaker 13: now she's not coming back. And that was not something
• 25:19
  Speaker 13: that they planned. She'd never said, you know, I'm going
• 25:21
  Speaker 13: to take a three day vacation with him, and we're
• 25:23
  Speaker 13: going to go do these things. He started to get
• 25:25
  Speaker 13: very worried about where his son.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: You know, Karen started joining me where now it's psychologists
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: joining us out of Manhattan, TV radio trauma expert at
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: Karenstark dot com.
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: That's Karen with a sea.
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: Karen, I've taken both twins out of what they were
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: supposed to be doing and spent time with them doing
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: something fun.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: So that's not unusual.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: However, in this case, mom had never done that before,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: and she didn't tell the dad like say, for instance,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: I'm going to take Lucy somewhere and We're not going
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: to be where we're supposed to be. I tell David, hey,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I'm doing so and so. Or when I would take
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: John David to the foot doctor, I e.
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: Bowling.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: It wasn't a secret, It wasn't a big surreptitious activity
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: the way it is here. Plus what this mom did
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: was out of the ordinary, Karen Stark.
• 26:20
  Speaker 14: Which these are all signs that something is really a
• 26:23
  Speaker 14: miss Nancy, just like you said, because why would the
• 26:27
  Speaker 14: father or not know. As a matter of fact, this
• 26:30
  Speaker 14: dad went to the school to pick him up at
• 26:32
  Speaker 14: the end of the day and had no idea that
• 26:34
  Speaker 14: he had been checked out by the mom. She was
• 26:37
  Speaker 14: not in touch with him and an Initially she wasn't
• 26:40
  Speaker 14: in touch with anyone, so of course it's highly suspicious
• 26:43
  Speaker 14: behavior and nothing that you would expect from a parent.
• 26:52
  Speaker 8: Timothy Pittson's mom leaves a bizarre suicide note claiming the
• 26:57
  Speaker 8: six year old is safe but will be seen again.
• 27:01
  Speaker 8: Is the boy dead or stashed with a cult like commune?
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Mommy found dead? No sign of Timothy. This is how
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Timothy Pittson goes missing. In the last months, this case
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: has bubbled back up to the surface because the Pitson
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: family living in fear because of an impostor posing as Timothy.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: But back to the time he disappears.
• 27:31
  Speaker 15: Listen, Amy fry Pittson's cell phone was not in her
• 27:34
  Speaker 15: hotel room or car. Two years later, her cell phone
• 27:37
  Speaker 15: is found discarded behind a silo on a remote road
• 27:40
  Speaker 15: in Mount Carroll, Illinois, from Sterling, Illinois, where fry Pittson
• 27:44
  Speaker 15: made several phone calls. Mount Carroll is on the way
• 27:47
  Speaker 15: to Dubukee, Iowa. In her childhood, fry Pittson spent several
• 27:51
  Speaker 15: years living with her grandparents in Dubuque. Fry Pittson's sister,
• 27:55
  Speaker 15: Kara Jacobs, believes Amy still has connections in the area
• 27:59
  Speaker 15: and pass blue left Timothy with a family there.
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: Joining me in All Star panel.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: But now to IRV Brandt, renowned US Marshall Service, International
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Investigations Branch, Chief Inspector Dog, Office of International Affair, author
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: of a string of books about a guy named Jack
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: Solo who bears an amazing similarity to IRV Brandt. Author
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Solo Shot Curse of the Bluestone on Amazon and many more.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: IRV Brant, You've spent your whole career figuring out where
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: is somebody? Now think about this. This mom had never
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: displayed any violence at all to Timothy Pittson, ever, very loving.
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: A divorce was pending. She was very distraught about that.
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: So we find her dead in hotel room. I note
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: this says, Timothy's alive, but I've given him to a
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: family that will take care of him and love him.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: You'll never find him. And then her cell phone.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: Turns up up out of town full of good memories
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: for her. She spent time a lot of time with
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: her grandparents there and was very happy.
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: So what do you make of this?
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, the circumstances evolving the disappearance of this case
• 29:22
  Speaker 5: would lead investigators to believe.
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: Number one, just.
• 29:27
  Speaker 5: The state of mind that she must have been in
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: when she committed suicide is just so unusual. The manner
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: that she did, then the places that she chose to
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: go to. You would imagine that the first thing that
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: they would investigate it as a suicide homicide. But given
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: the information, the family background, you have to consider the
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: possibility that she did indeed give Timothy to someone from
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: her past that she still had a connection with, who
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: would care for the child. That's a possibility that the
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: investigators have to check out and have to focus on.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: They have to focus on the child being alive first
• 30:15
  Speaker 5: and foremost.
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: Well, wait a minute, wait a minute, or Brandt, She's
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: not a master criminal. She's a mom who has always
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: shown nothing but love for this child. She's distraught about
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: a divorce. Yes, she had to be beside herself to
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: commit suicide by slashing.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Her wrists and her own neck.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: She writes this note Timothy is alive and well and
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: with someone that will love him, inferring the father wouldn't
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: and maybe she felt that way because she felt rejected
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: in the marriage he was divorcing her. She also writes,
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: you'll never find him my point er Brandt, again, she's
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: not a master criminal. She's not some French arts or
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: a cat burglar. You really think she could have hidden
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: his body and it would be never found.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: Nancy, I understand what you're saying that she's not a
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: career criminal or a criminal at all. She's someone obviously
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: with mental health problems and has a history of mental
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: health problems. But is she capable of it? I would
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: say yes. But does the possibility exist that she did
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: turn this child over that she did know? Of course,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: she loved her child and she wanted to see her
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: child safe. Did she give this child to someone who
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: would care for him? Yes, there is that possibility.
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Well, especially IRV Brandt, the fact that we know she
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: was back in this area that she loved. We know
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: that because her phone was found behind a silo in
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: a rural area where she grew up with her grandparents.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: So the child there, we've got her cell phone there,
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: we know she was there. And then suddenly when she's
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: back at this motel where she killed herself, there was
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: no sign of him. Remember she was spotted out in
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: about We saw that video from NICKMA National Center Missing
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Exploited Children. We saw that video, and that was the
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: last time she was seen with Timothy Okay.
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: The next time.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: She's spotted no Timothy Okay, one hundred miles away shaking
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: into the motel. It says, if she stashed him somewhere
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: and then come back to this motel to kill herself
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: or Brant.
• 32:42
  Speaker 5: I agree, Nancy, when you watch the videos and you
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: look how she's acting when she comes in, she doesn't
• 32:52
  Speaker 5: seem distraught. She doesn't seem like babe, I mean, someone
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: who just killed their own child. She seems you could
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: even describe her as maybe even being relieved coming in
• 33:09
  Speaker 5: because she knows this episode is going to be close
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: to finish, because she obviously planned this out.
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: Just as the Pittson family starts to believe that beloved
• 33:19
  Speaker 3: Timothy may finally be found, their hopes are dashed. A
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: DNA test reveals that the mystery team is really twenty
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: three year old Brian Reeney. Reenie was released from prison
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: for burglary in vandalism the month before, and finds himself
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: in more legal trouble. Rene is charged with two counts
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: of falsifying statements and aggravated identity theft. Renee takes a
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: plea deal and serves a total of two years in prison.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Joining me now founder director of Lynn's Warriors, dedicated to
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: protecting children Lynn Shaw. Lynn Rennie is not the only
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: one that pretended to be Timothy Pittson, and the family
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: has stated every time an apostle comes forward is quote
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: like ripping off a scab, making them real live the
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: pain all over again.
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: Nancy, we work extensively with trying to find missing children.
• 34:10
  Speaker 6: We work on murder children. This is the case and
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: it's been escalating over the years that people step forward
• 34:17
  Speaker 6: pretending for their fifteen minutes of fame or whatever we're
• 34:20
  Speaker 6: calling it. In today's world, there are so many I'm
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: surprised there are not more people stepping forward about this.
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: But I want to circle back on something if I
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: might to. I was doing digging in and doing research
• 34:31
  Speaker 6: and in a lot of cases we work on law
• 34:33
  Speaker 6: enforcement with us as our partners tell us, if we
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: don't find an actual body or a child alive within
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: forty eight hours, we usually assume that they are not alive.
• 34:44
  Speaker 6: And I ask you, if her cell phone was found
• 34:46
  Speaker 6: two years later behind a silo wherever they found it
• 34:50
  Speaker 6: in the field, what was the investigation like for the
• 34:53
  Speaker 6: body because I have to ask he was at that
• 34:56
  Speaker 6: impressurable age of six, or he could have been handed
• 34:59
  Speaker 6: off and his mind sort of brainwashed into another environment
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: where he forgot about his family.
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: But I ask you, this.
• 35:07
  Speaker 6: Whole thing sounds like she's going through a divorce. They
• 35:10
  Speaker 6: had money problems. We have dealt with cases where one
• 35:14
  Speaker 6: of the mother, the father, one of them will say
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: in a divorce, if I can have my child full time,
• 35:19
  Speaker 6: nobody's going to have my child, and it doesn't matter
• 35:22
  Speaker 6: if they're a loving mother, they have no criminal history,
• 35:24
  Speaker 6: they will take the life of that child. And that
• 35:26
  Speaker 6: is what concerns me here. So I think more work.
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: We can never give up on looking for these missing
• 35:32
  Speaker 6: children at all.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: And for all we know, Timothy Pittson is alive and well,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: living right under our noses with another family that he's
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: convinced is his own now. According to those closest to
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: mom Amy, she would never have hurt Timothy no matter what.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Listen to her sister.
• 35:52
  Speaker 16: My nephew Timothy has been missing since May thirteenth, twenty eleven.
• 35:58
  Speaker 11: Timothy Pittson was six years old when he vanished.
• 36:01
  Speaker 16: We just believe with every fiber of our being that
• 36:05
  Speaker 16: he's alive. So without any kind of logic to give you,
• 36:09
  Speaker 16: I can just tell you I know that he's alive.
• 36:12
  Speaker 16: Amy would never hurt her child, And I know that
• 36:16
  Speaker 16: maybe that's hard for some people to grasp given what
• 36:18
  Speaker 16: she did to herself, but she just wouldn't have. She
• 36:24
  Speaker 16: had nothing but kindness and consideration for other people in
• 36:27
  Speaker 16: her life.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: A body has never been found, and again, this mom
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: is a criminal mastermind. Where would she have hidden the body?
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: Now you were hearing Timothy's aunt, Kara Jacobs from our
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: friends at NIKMA National Center Missing and Exploited Children, who
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: have also been working on this case. So those around
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: her are convinced Mom did not kill Timothy. So now
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: all these years later, we have people appearing, one after
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: the mix, pretending to be Timothy.
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: Now a quality of blos blood was found.
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: It was Timothy's, but guess what it was proven to
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: have been from a previous nose bleed he had in
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: the car.
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: So another dead end.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: It's not the first time a seemingly normal person pretends
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: to be a missing child. Remember earlier we mentioned Maddie McCann.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Listen to this.
• 37:24
  Speaker 9: She says that she believes she is Madeline McCann. But
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: many have speculated that Julia may not be telling the
• 37:34
  Speaker 9: truth her own parents. I think she's an attention seeker,
• 37:38
  Speaker 9: and they say no for certain that she's their daughter,
• 37:42
  Speaker 9: because the mother says she delivered her. You just have
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: to take their DNA and your DNA.
• 37:47
  Speaker 7: And I tried to do it many times. As I said,
• 37:51
  Speaker 7: I called many authorities.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Nobody asked for it, right.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Scotland Yard just wouldn't pick up the phone
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the DNA didn't match. That's not Maddy McCann bottom line, Karen,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: start with me, renounced psychologist, Karen. Why would someone torture
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Timothy Pittson's family this way, pretending to be Timothy.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: They need to have.
• 38:12
  Speaker 14: The attention, Nancy. They're looking to be noticed, and of
• 38:16
  Speaker 14: course they will get this little bit of attention. Exactly
• 38:20
  Speaker 14: what was said. But I also want to say something.
• 38:22
  Speaker 14: This is a mother who said that she was terrified
• 38:26
  Speaker 14: if something happened to her and they got divorced, that
• 38:30
  Speaker 14: her son would be taken away from her. So I
• 38:32
  Speaker 14: just want everybody to consider, how does it make sense
• 38:36
  Speaker 14: if she was that frightened he would be taken away,
• 38:39
  Speaker 14: that she would give him to another family. I don't
• 38:43
  Speaker 14: understand that, and I'm afraid that that really didn't happen
• 38:47
  Speaker 14: because it doesn't fit. They were supposedly like two peas
• 38:51
  Speaker 14: in a pot, so that scenario I just I hear
• 38:55
  Speaker 14: a lot of anger even in the suicide. I know
• 38:59
  Speaker 14: desper but people do kill themselves because they are so angry.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Is Timothy Pittson alive? Is he hiding right under our noses?
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: If you know or you think you know the answer
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: to this riddle, dial six three zero two five six
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: five five one six repeat six three zero two.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Five six five five one six.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Prayers continue for the families of these missing children. Nancy
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: Gray signing off, good night friend,