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#527 The Wrongful Conviction of Leonard Peltier - Part 1 · Wrongful Conviction

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Speaker 1: Before and after seventeen seventy six, European colonizers traveled to
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Speaker 1: the Americas, slowly eroding indigenous land as they went. When
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Speaker 1: uranium was discovered in the Black Hills of South Dakota,
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Speaker 1: the US government sought to take land from the Oglala
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Speaker 1: Sioux and deliver it to private enterprise. Thus began a
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Speaker 1: reign of terror in nineteen seventy two that led to
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Speaker 1: over sixty unsolved murders on the Pine Ridge Reservation and
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Speaker 1: came to a climax in a nineteen seventy five firefight
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Speaker 1: that left one Native man and two federal agent instead.
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Speaker 1: Now by FBI estimates, forty two Native people were engaged
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Speaker 1: in the firefight with swatims from all around the country
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Speaker 1: that had been lying in wait, but the chaos and
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Speaker 1: crossfire made it very difficult to pinpoint who was responsible
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Speaker 1: for the deaths. Two Native men were tried and acquitted
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Speaker 1: on the grounds of self defense, so and evidence changed
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Speaker 1: when they then tried one of the leaders of the
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Speaker 1: American Indian Movement, Leonard Peltier, sending him away for two
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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Wrongful Conviction. I mean, I have a
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Speaker 1: lot of heroes, and I've had the chance to meet
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Speaker 1: and interview many of them, but none greater than the
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Speaker 1: man that we're interviewing today. He's very humble, so he
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Speaker 1: probably hates the sound of that, but I got to
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Speaker 1: say it like it is. Leonard Peltier is an American
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Speaker 1: legend of civil rights who survived countless assassination attend dodged hundreds,
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Speaker 1: if not thousands, of bullets, escaped from federal prisons, from
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Speaker 1: manhunts from the country. I mean, I feel like Johnny
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Speaker 1: Depp needs to play you, Leonard in a movie someday.
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Speaker 1: I hope he will.
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Speaker 2: Johnny and I are okay perfect.
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Speaker 1: Then we're going to produce this movie. And I'm joined
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Speaker 1: today by Ben Bolin, one of my favorite podcasters, who's
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Speaker 1: going to be co hosting this episode and this season
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Speaker 1: of Wrongful Conviction.
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Speaker 3: Yes, sir, on stuff they don't want you to do.
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Speaker 3: My colleagues and I intensely studied aim the American Indian
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Speaker 3: Movement your story as well. We are overjoyed to be
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Speaker 3: speaking with you today when you have emerged from what
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Speaker 3: I would call a gross miscarriage of American justice.
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Speaker 1: And later on we're going to be joined by one
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Speaker 1: of Leonard's co defendants, Darryl Dino Butler, who was acquitted
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Speaker 1: in a separate trial. We will also speak with a
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Speaker 1: member of Leonard's original defense, Bruce Allison, who has remained
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Speaker 1: steadfast two and four Leonard for the last fifty years,
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Speaker 1: as well as legal legend Ron Kobe and Holly maccaro,
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Speaker 1: a tribal advocate who was instrumental in winning Leonard's clemency,
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Speaker 1: but before Leonard's ronful incarceration, prosecution, or even his political activism.
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Speaker 1: Leonard or Tate Wikowa was born in nineteen forty four
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Speaker 1: in North Dakota.
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Speaker 2: My English name is Leonard Peltier. I'm a nation Abbi
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Speaker 2: were called Chipwa and many different places, and were called
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Speaker 2: Sue's also Lakota in a number of different places, but
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Speaker 2: those are our real names. I'm eighty years old. I've
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Speaker 2: just got out of prison after spending forty nine point
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Speaker 2: juniors in federal prisons across the country. I have been
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Speaker 2: an activist since I was nine years old when I
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Speaker 2: was first taken from my home and forcibly put into
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Speaker 2: a boarding school. How it happened was my grandmother and
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Speaker 2: grand father basically adopted us and was raising myself and
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Speaker 2: my sister Betty, and my cousin Pauline. And then Grandpa,
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Speaker 2: who was a provider for the family, died in fifty two.
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Speaker 2: Grandma was by herself, so she thought, well, I got
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Speaker 2: to have some help to feed these kids. So she
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Speaker 2: went to the BIA agency and asked for help.
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Speaker 3: And BIA is the Bureau of Indian Affairs.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and they found an excuse to take us and
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Speaker 2: put us in a boarding school in Watson, North Dakota,
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Speaker 2: and they were trying to beat the Native language and
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Speaker 2: religion and culture out of us.
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Speaker 3: Today, the BIA is part of the Federal Department of
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Speaker 3: the Interior and now manages about fifty six million acres
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Speaker 3: of land held in trust with Native nations, and they
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Speaker 3: implement federal laws and policy regarding policing, resources, agricul infrastructure,
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Speaker 3: economic issues. But back in the fifties, the federal government
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Speaker 3: was on a mission to assimilate Native people into Anglo
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Speaker 3: American culture. It's a mission that began even before the
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Speaker 3: eighteen eighty three Code of Indian Offenses. That code outlawed
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Speaker 3: various Indigenous religious practices for the comfort of their new
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Speaker 3: European neighbors, we could call them. And so, even in
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Speaker 3: the aftermath of World War Two, in which so many
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Speaker 3: Native men served, fought, and died, for Leonard and his siblings,
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Speaker 3: getting food assistants meant being ripped away from their families,
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Speaker 3: robbed of their language and religion, in a boarding school
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Speaker 3: system where abuse ran rampant.
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Speaker 2: I myself almost died when I was ten years old
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Speaker 2: escaping from there. But I wasn't the only child, and
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Speaker 2: this was not the only school. I was just one
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Speaker 2: of thousands of kids that were facing this type of brutality.
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Speaker 2: That's when my political activism started. When I got there,
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Speaker 2: there was already a group of older kids that had
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Speaker 2: started a group called Resistors, and we would go behind
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Speaker 2: the gymnasm and sing our songs and talk native to
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Speaker 2: each other and our prayers and stuff like this. I
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Speaker 2: was there from nineteen fifty three to nineteen fifty six.
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Speaker 2: I happened to go in there at a time when
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Speaker 2: I hit it. Lucky the people were lobbying, and the
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Speaker 2: soldiers were lobbying the President of the United States Eisenhower,
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Speaker 2: and so Eisenhower put out a presidential order no more
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Speaker 2: maltreatment of the Indian kids and the schools, because there
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Speaker 2: was so many kids that were literally becoming lost. They
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Speaker 2: call them and they don't know what happened to them.
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Speaker 3: You may have seen the news articles in the last
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Speaker 3: decade or so about the discovery of mass graves near
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Speaker 3: old Native boarding schools. So while Eisenhower's intervention was a
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Speaker 3: welcome public change in tone in the nineteen fifties, we
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Speaker 3: have to remember a nefarious agenda was still afoot. It's
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Speaker 3: an agenda that began even before the first iteration of
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Speaker 3: the BIA, way back when it was called the Committee
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Speaker 3: on Indian Affairs under Ben Franklin. This committee oversaw trade
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Speaker 3: and treaty relations. The authority was transferred to the Secretary
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Speaker 3: of War in seventeen eighty nine, and this led to
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Speaker 3: a century of wars, treaties, broken treaties, and above all,
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Speaker 3: the slow erosion of indigenous land.
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Speaker 2: When they first got here, the first lands they took
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Speaker 2: with our agricultural land, all of the vegetables and stuff
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Speaker 2: you see on the table came from us. Our farmers
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Speaker 2: domesticated a while vegetable into a domesticated one, and we
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Speaker 2: had some of the best agricultural land in the world.
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Speaker 2: So they took us off of that and put us
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Speaker 2: on barren land that they didn't take we would ever
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Speaker 2: exist then, I mean, you can find writings where they
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Speaker 2: said this, they should not be able to live through
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Speaker 2: somebody's lands that they put us on. But we did
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Speaker 2: because we knew how to develop barn land into productive land.
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Speaker 3: But as more Europeans arrived, the transgressions continued, like the
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Speaker 3: Indian Removal Act of eighteen thirty signed by then President
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Speaker 3: Andrew Jackson, which meant for the Natives who would not assimilate,
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Speaker 3: they would be moved west of the Mississippi River into
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Speaker 3: what was at that time called Indian Territory. Yet in
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Speaker 3: the eighteen thirty four Worcester v. Georgia Supreme Court decision,
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Speaker 3: the court ruled in favor of previous treaties and the
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Speaker 3: sovereignty of the Cherokee Nation.
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Speaker 1: Jackson notoriously infamously remarked, let's see them enforce it, and
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Speaker 1: in one of the first times in American history, a
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Speaker 1: sitting President ignored the Supreme Court and began the deadly
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Speaker 1: trail of tears, marching the Cherokees from their rightful place
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Speaker 1: in Georgia to present day Oklahoma.
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Speaker 3: And over the following half century, many more wars were
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Speaker 3: fought and new treaties were signed, only spoiler to later
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Speaker 3: be broken again. Probably the most egregious land grab occurs
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Speaker 3: in eighteen eighty seven, when the US Congress passes the
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Speaker 3: DAWs Act under the guise of assimilation. This act divides
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Speaker 3: land that was collectively held by various Native nations into
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Speaker 3: what they called individual land allotments, like the ones settled
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Speaker 3: by their European counterparts, and then once settled. This leaves
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Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty eight million surplus acres of Native nations.
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Speaker 1: Land, which was then made available for purchase by non natives,
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Speaker 1: and by nineteen thirty four, only forty eight million of
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Speaker 1: those acres remained, at which point the Indian Reorganization Act
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Speaker 1: sought to drastically change the relationship by ending assimilation mandates,
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Speaker 1: encouraging tribal self governance and constitutions, elections in corporation for
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Speaker 1: resource management, and that tribal land would be protected by
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Speaker 1: the federal government, and any federal lands that were unused
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Speaker 1: would be returned to native control. But of the ninety
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Speaker 1: out of one hundred and thirty eight million acres to
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Speaker 1: be returned by twenty ten, only about eight percent of
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Speaker 1: them had been restored. Unsurprisingly, it appears that economic interests
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Speaker 1: caused a change of course.
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Speaker 2: As time went by, they start to find out that
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Speaker 2: the Baron lands they put us on was rich in
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Speaker 2: minerals uranium, uranium, gold, silver, I mean copper. They wanted
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Speaker 2: this land for themselves, so they started again a system
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Speaker 2: of termination for us. In nineteen fifty six, they were
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Speaker 2: starting to write American Termination Act, which was supposed to
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Speaker 2: be completed by nineteen eighty five, and that was to
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Speaker 2: terminate all Indian reservations in this country. They were going
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Speaker 2: to supposedly buy our lands. But the first reservation to
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Speaker 2: be terminated was the Monominee of Wisconsin. Then they came
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Speaker 2: here to the Turtle Mountain, chip Or Cree Nation and
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Speaker 2: told us that we had to leave, we had to relocate.
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Speaker 2: But my father that his generation fought back. I was
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Speaker 2: only thirteen years old and I was able to participate.
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Speaker 2: We fought back here and literally drove them away. From
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Speaker 2: terminating this nation. And it wasn't just Turtle Mountains, it
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Speaker 2: was Pine Ridge. All of us was in that danger.
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Speaker 3: And part of that termination policy was the Indian Relocation Program,
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Speaker 3: through which the BA promised economic opportunity in urban areas,
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Speaker 3: offering vocational training and relocation assistance. Yet the Native people
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Speaker 3: who were willing to believe in this promise often found
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Speaker 3: nothing but low wage opportunities, racial discrimination, poverty, homelessness. Yet Leonard,
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Speaker 3: at this point is still young. It's nineteen fifty eight.
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Speaker 3: After being sure that there were no reports of abuse,
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Speaker 3: he enrolls in a boarding school in Land Crew, South Dakota.
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Speaker 3: Upon arrival, he's called to a meeting by other Native teens.
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Speaker 2: So this guy comes over, I think he was sophomore,
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Speaker 2: and he said, come down to the rec room. We're
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Speaker 2: going to talk to all of you guys. So we
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Speaker 2: go down there and this guy comes I take he
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Speaker 2: was a senior, and he said, there is a group
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Speaker 2: of white boys driving around the city Flinger of South Dakota,
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Speaker 2: and they're picking up these young Indian girls by force,
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Speaker 2: taking them out in the country. They're beating them up,
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Speaker 2: they're raping them, and they're leaving them out there to die.
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Speaker 2: Your job is to escort them from the boarding school
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Speaker 2: grounds to the movies, and there was a soda shop
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Speaker 2: right next door to it. Your job is to protect him.
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Speaker 2: And I know, I was, Yeah, we'll be there, goddamn rights,
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Speaker 2: we'll be there.
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Speaker 1: But why did these teenagers feel responsible for public safety? Well,
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Speaker 1: according to the Major Crimes Act of eighteen eighty five,
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Speaker 1: the tribal police only had jurisdiction over nonviolent crimes committed
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Speaker 1: by Native people, while federal authorities had jurisdiction over all
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Speaker 1: violent crimes, no matter who committed them, So federal authorities
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Speaker 1: were typically approached after the fact by Native crime victims,
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Speaker 1: as they were. In reference to a South Dakota teenager
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Speaker 1: named Bill Janklow.
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Speaker 2: Bill Janquell, his family was a very rich racture and
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Speaker 2: this one girl gets beat up. He raped her and everything,
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Speaker 2: and they thought she was knocked out, and she got
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Speaker 2: Bill Jenkuill license plate number, and that's how they caught him.
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Speaker 2: He pled guilty. He was given a choice of either
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Speaker 2: going to a farm school till he was twenty one
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Speaker 2: or going into the military for two years. So he
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Speaker 2: goes to the military, serves two years, it comes out
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Speaker 2: and he goes to college on a GI bill and
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Speaker 2: he gets a lawyer's degree. So he comes back to
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Speaker 2: the South Dakota area and somehow he's the leader part
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Speaker 2: of the agency that handles all Rosebud funding from Washington.
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Speaker 2: He's married, now got two kids, and he starts doing
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Speaker 2: it again.
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Speaker 3: In January nineteen sixty seven, when Janklow was the director
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Speaker 3: of the Rosebudsoe Legal Services Program, he allegedly raped a
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Speaker 3: young woman whom he employed as a babysitter. Her name
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Speaker 3: Jensita Eagle Deer.
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Speaker 2: The head of the BI Police Department was telling us
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Speaker 2: he takes Bill Janquell to jail, he makes a call
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Speaker 2: and the FBI comes in said, you've got no jurisdiction.
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Speaker 2: You've got to let him out. That's the way it
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Speaker 2: was back. So Bill Jenkle was never charged for raping
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Speaker 2: Genese to Eagle there or any of those other young
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Speaker 2: girls they were children. He never was charged for that.
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Speaker 2: He starts running for office for the Attorney General's office.
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Speaker 1: And Jancy the Eagle Deer's allegations resurface.
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Speaker 2: So we were demonstrating raising hell and talking about we
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Speaker 2: want this son of a bitch in jail or some
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Speaker 2: god damn thing. He's raped numerous of our children. We
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Speaker 2: were pissed. We couldn't get nobody and listened to us.
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Speaker 2: So we become an active enemy of Bill Jenkles and
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Speaker 2: he becomes the Attorney General of South Dakota. God and
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Speaker 2: the attorney general himself was outraged. He said, I don't
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Speaker 2: believe this. You have kicked me out of office and
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Speaker 2: elected a admitted rapist child molest her.
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Speaker 3: Soon after that election, Jencita Eagle Deer is killed in
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Speaker 3: a hit and run accident, and Bill Jinklow went on
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Speaker 3: to be the twenty seventh and then thirtieth governor of
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Speaker 3: South Dakota before a stint in Congress that gets cut
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Speaker 3: short when Jinkler runs through a stop sign at about
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Speaker 3: sixty five miles per hour and kills a motorcyclist.
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Speaker 2: He hits him on his motorcycle and kills him, and
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Speaker 2: his father, who was happy to be a successful rancher, himself, said,
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Speaker 2: this guy ain't gonna get away with this, not this time. Well,
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Speaker 2: he got found guilty in a trial, but he was
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Speaker 2: sentenced to weekend in prison. So what they were having
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Speaker 2: him do is coming in the morning Saturday morning and
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Speaker 2: Sunday night, he would sign out to go back to
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Speaker 2: his job.
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Speaker 1: I don't want to sound cynical, but it's almost like
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Speaker 1: the white, wealthy and well connected experience a completely different
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Speaker 1: version of the legal system. Is that to an extreme,
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Speaker 1: and so the righteous commitment to justice that drove their
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Speaker 1: opposition to not only the protection of Janklow but also
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Speaker 1: his elevated status.
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Speaker 2: Well.
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Speaker 1: That driving force continued to guide Leonard when he moved
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Speaker 1: to Seattle, Washington in nineteen sixty five.
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Speaker 2: My uncle Toby he'd probably get me a job up there,
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Speaker 2: so I did. I went up there. Later on I
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Speaker 2: met this state of he was older than me. It's
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Speaker 2: like a father to me. Howard Miller, him and I
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Speaker 2: got to talking about opening a auto shop. We did.
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Speaker 2: And I was staying with Howard and his wife and
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Speaker 2: come home for supper and I'm watching there was a
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Speaker 2: demonstration going on about the fishing and hunting, the struggles
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Speaker 2: that was going on since the forties or whatever. Way
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Speaker 2: back there. In nineteen fifty five, Marlon Branda got involved
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Speaker 2: and even got arrested, and it just kept escalating, and
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Speaker 2: they were out there tear gashing and beaten out the people,
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Speaker 2: and they had this one young lady. He had about
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Speaker 2: a five six year old son. They had ripped her
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Speaker 2: blouse and everything, which was a common practice they did
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Speaker 2: to the women. And there was beaten on her. And
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Speaker 2: this little boy come running up there and they said,
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Speaker 2: don't hit her, and he started beating him. So I
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Speaker 2: told Howe, I said, you can have everything. I'm going
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Speaker 2: on with them.
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go fight with them.
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Speaker 2: I started getting involved, and I started joining different organizations,
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Speaker 2: and one of the ones was the Alcatraz occupation.
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Speaker 3: According to several treaties and the Indian Reorganization Act of
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Speaker 3: nineteen thirty four, surplus federal lands were supposed to be
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Speaker 3: returned to Native people. So with Alcatraz the penitentiary closed
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Speaker 3: in nineteen sixty three, it should have but was not
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Speaker 3: returned to its rightful tribe. From November of nineteen sixty
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Speaker 3: nine to July of nineteen seventy one, a collective of
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Speaker 3: Native organizations, including the American Indian Movement or AIM, occupied
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Speaker 3: this island Alcatraz under the following banner Indians of Old Tribes.
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Speaker 3: And this was not the only action taken for land reclamation.
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Speaker 2: We were doing the same thing on Fort Lawton that
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Speaker 2: land was being given to the city for one dollar,
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Speaker 2: and the city didn't want it. We've got too many
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Speaker 2: parks now, we can't pay for them, so let dominions
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Speaker 2: have it with the rich and people that were involved
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Speaker 2: in it had plans on building whatever. Would you give
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Speaker 2: it up. They finally gave us fifteen acres, but that
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Speaker 2: was nothing compared to I think it was fifteen hunderd
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Speaker 2: acres there. But those were the type of actions that
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Speaker 2: we were going and we got a confrontation with the
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Speaker 2: army there, and the military one of the things that
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Speaker 2: they did that still stays in my mind, and I
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Speaker 2: kind of believe that they would have never used them
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Speaker 2: on us. But one time they got off their buses
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Speaker 2: and they had flame drawers and so a lot of
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Speaker 2: people left to the back trail. But they never used them,
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Speaker 2: of course, but it was used as a tactic of
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Speaker 2: fear against us.
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Speaker 1: But the American Indian Movement wasn't deterred. In nineteen seventy two,
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Speaker 1: they organized a caravan to Washington that picked up more
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Speaker 1: numbers as it drove through other nativations along the way,
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Speaker 1: until they had about two thousand people descending on the
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Speaker 1: BIA building in a protest called the Trail of Broken Treaties.
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Speaker 2: We went to Washington to the Burevern and Affairs, that's
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Speaker 2: our White House, hoping we could get an audience with
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Speaker 2: somebody that could help us, because we were not getting
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Speaker 2: any help back there on the reservations and the termination
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Speaker 2: was being enforced upon us, and they're supposed to be
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Speaker 2: protecting us. Of course they weren't. They were fighting against
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Speaker 2: us to eliminate our control of our lands and depend
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Speaker 2: on the United States government for handouts. That's how they
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Speaker 2: controlled us. They forced us to submit to them through
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Speaker 2: these handouts, and people were tired about it. We wanted
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Speaker 2: to bring our treaties back up to them and make
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Speaker 2: them abide by their promises, and of course they weren't
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Speaker 2: doing that. So when we got there, we all ended
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Speaker 2: up in the parking lot, parked our cars and demonstrating
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Speaker 2: around the Bureau of Indian Affairs building. Like I said,
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Speaker 2: it's supposed to be our white house, and the superintendent,
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Speaker 2: Leo Bruce, was supposed to be our president, although he
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Speaker 2: was appointed but whatever party was in power at the time.
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Speaker 2: So we went in and asked them. We said, look,
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Speaker 2: we got all these people here, old people, some of
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Speaker 2: our headsmen and chiefs and stuff like this. And we
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Speaker 2: got children out there, us young people to sleep out
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Speaker 2: on the ground. We don't care about that, but we
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Speaker 2: want you to give these people lodging somehow. Lei Bruce UPSI,
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Speaker 2: I can't do that. I ain't got to fund it,
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Speaker 2: and got to well, what are you doing with the
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Speaker 2: millions and millions of dollars that goes into the budget
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Speaker 2: every year, Why can't you take care of our elders?
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Speaker 2: We know, lion, we knew that. And Russell Mean said
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Speaker 2: you're not going to let you do the Star elders,
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Speaker 2: and it escalated into occupation.
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Speaker 3: And during this six day occupation in November nineteen seventy two,
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Speaker 3: AIM leadership rifled through the BIA's documents. Bruce Ellison, who
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Speaker 3: supported AIM as an attorney throughout the standoff at Wounded Knees,
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Speaker 3: South Dakota in nineteen seventy three, as well as in
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Speaker 3: the aftermath of the shootout at Pine Ridge in nineteen
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Speaker 3: seventy five. Well Bruce told us about some of the
22:45
Speaker 3: things that they discovered in the BIA building occupation in
22:49
Speaker 3: nineteen seventy two, as well as what it meant specifically
22:52
Speaker 3: for the Oglala Sioux on the Pine Ridge Reservation there
22:56
Speaker 3: in South Dakota.
22:57
Speaker 5: When the BIA building was taken over by American Movement
23:00
Speaker 5: in nineteen seventy two, there were a whole troughs of
23:03
Speaker 5: documents that were taken and removed from that building. People
23:07
Speaker 5: who have heard of this have generally heard of the
23:09
Speaker 5: fact that it disclosed a four sterilization program for Native women.
23:14
Speaker 5: Another part of that, though, was that this area was
23:17
Speaker 5: given a priority for uranium mining. That was seventy two, right,
23:22
Speaker 5: and then you have Wounded Knee seventy three, and then
23:25
Speaker 5: you have this firefight in seventy five. You have resistance
23:28
Speaker 5: basically all over the country, and now this new goal
23:32
Speaker 5: of aim to stop destructive mining or anium mining. Most
23:35
Speaker 5: people don't realize the front end of the nuclear fuel
23:38
Speaker 5: cycle is an incredibly environmentally destructive process. It leaves the
23:43
Speaker 5: earth poisoned for eons of time, as well as a
23:48
Speaker 5: myriad about other things because not just uranium. It so
23:50
Speaker 5: they having metals that get out, arsenic that gets out
23:53
Speaker 5: during a lot of these processes. So I would say
23:56
Speaker 5: that the economics, they always say that what are war's about,
23:59
Speaker 5: They're about lane and or resources. Well, this one was
24:02
Speaker 5: kind of government had already seized the land, not officially,
24:05
Speaker 5: not legally, it's still unseated territory, but they did want
24:09
Speaker 5: to go after those resources. At that time, there were
24:12
Speaker 5: some twenty uranium mining companies which were staking out claims
24:16
Speaker 5: throughout the Black Hills, and this went on from mid
24:19
Speaker 5: seventies into the late seventies.
24:21
Speaker 1: When American business interests need Uncle Sam's help justly or not,
24:25
Speaker 1: and nations around the globe, well, they may or may
24:28
Speaker 1: not go as far as to medal in elections, and
24:32
Speaker 1: it appears the Feds had a clear favorite in South
24:35
Speaker 1: Dakota tribal politics, in which there was a deep divide
24:39
Speaker 1: between traditionalists who maintained Native culture and refused assimilation, and
24:44
Speaker 1: those like the newly elected Oglala Siu Tribal chairman of
24:48
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy two, Dick Wilson, a so called progressive native,
24:53
Speaker 1: the type that really took to assimilation and to the
24:57
Speaker 1: interests of the United States federal government.
25:00
Speaker 2: Well, you have a group of natives that we call sellouts.
25:04
Speaker 2: They accept everything that the government tells them or gives
25:08
Speaker 2: us commodities and all this says to and will do
25:11
Speaker 2: anything the government says, will fight against us. I mean,
25:14
Speaker 2: I had had some of them say I wish I
25:17
Speaker 2: wasn'tn Indian, and I used to tell them, well, what
25:19
Speaker 2: the hell are you doing here? Gold leave? Ain't nobody
25:23
Speaker 2: keep in your hair. If you don't like being an Indian,
25:25
Speaker 2: the hell out of here. But we got those types
25:28
Speaker 2: of groups that fight against US. Dick Wilson was one
25:32
Speaker 2: of them.
25:32
Speaker 3: And in the aftermath of the BIA Building occupation, Dick
25:36
Speaker 3: Wilson signs a resolution that authorizes him to create a
25:41
Speaker 3: paramilitary group called the Guardians of the Oglala Nation, giving
25:45
Speaker 3: them the acronym Goon.
25:47
Speaker 2: Well, the FBI financed them, They gave them sophisticated weapons,
25:52
Speaker 2: various calibers of ammunition intelligence. This all came out from
25:57
Speaker 2: Dwayne Brewer, who was the leader of the squad.
26:01
Speaker 1: And this mercenary force was comprised of other so called
26:04
Speaker 1: progressive Natives. While other progressives were active at FBI counter Intelligence,
26:10
Speaker 1: the same program that targeted the Black Panthers. Co Intel
26:13
Speaker 1: pro they would infiltrate, sew division, create paranoia, undermine legitimate goals,
26:20
Speaker 1: and supply information. And of course we're all familiar with
26:24
Speaker 1: how history ran its course over any successful Black leadership,
26:29
Speaker 1: while AIM was no different. It appears the FEDS were
26:32
Speaker 1: targeting AIM leadership with criminal prosecutions, like the time when
26:37
Speaker 1: Leonard was at a restaurant in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, in the
26:40
Speaker 1: months before the standoff at Wounded Me in nineteen seventy three.
26:44
Speaker 2: They're following me out everything I was doing. They were
26:47
Speaker 2: put in this restaurant. We don't know who they are.
26:50
Speaker 2: We were all in our AIM jackets, and they start
26:53
Speaker 2: intimidating us. So we thought it was just two white
26:56
Speaker 2: races and we're going to get in a fight with them.
26:59
Speaker 2: And the next thing I know, Oh, I'm charged for
27:01
Speaker 2: attempted murder on two police officers. I went to trial
27:05
Speaker 2: there years later and I was found not guilty. I
27:08
Speaker 2: was acquitted at that bullshit charge. You know, that wasn't
27:12
Speaker 2: the only place. Other places they were trying to connect
27:16
Speaker 2: me to some kind of criminal activity. Just trying to
27:20
Speaker 2: set me up is what it was.
27:22
Speaker 3: But while he was in jail in Wisconsin on these
27:25
Speaker 3: trumped up attempted murder charges, the traditionalist natives on the
27:29
Speaker 3: Pine Ridge Reservation were seeking to impeach Dick Wilson. He
27:34
Speaker 3: was accused of corruption, voter fraud as well as violence
27:38
Speaker 3: and intimidation of his political foes.
27:41
Speaker 2: I think two hundred people were voted, had been dead
27:45
Speaker 2: for fifty hundred years or whatever else. That's how he
27:49
Speaker 2: won the election. To fraud. He was making his family rich,
27:53
Speaker 2: is what he was doing. His brother all of a
27:55
Speaker 2: sudden on a big pack of land and filled with
27:59
Speaker 2: cattle and everything like this, and prior to his election
28:03
Speaker 2: did not have that amount to land or cattle. So corruption,
28:08
Speaker 2: corruption at its best under him.
28:10
Speaker 1: Well, it seems like all of these operations, the co
28:13
Speaker 1: Intel pro operations against the Black Panthers, Malcolm X et cetera,
28:18
Speaker 1: they always involved an inside trader electic Wilson. Is that
28:22
Speaker 1: a fair word to use for him?
28:24
Speaker 2: We call them worse in that?
28:27
Speaker 1: And when legal avenues failed to oust Wilson, Aim and
28:30
Speaker 1: their allies chose the town of Wounded Knee, the site
28:33
Speaker 1: of the last large scale massacre of Natives in eighteen ninety,
28:37
Speaker 1: as their next target for occupation, and they were in
28:40
Speaker 1: a standoff with US marshalls for seventy one days.
28:44
Speaker 2: I was in jail for the first couple weeks of
28:47
Speaker 2: Wounded Knee, but as soon as I got out, I
28:49
Speaker 2: heard they needed supplies food and everything like this. So
28:52
Speaker 2: I went to work immediately gathered food and everything. In Oleft, Wisconsin.
28:57
Speaker 2: During the Wounded Kney occupation, Richard Nixon ordered the eighty
29:02
Speaker 2: second Airborne out there to put the military on a
29:06
Speaker 2: domestic issue is against the constitution United States. So the
29:11
Speaker 2: colonel that was head of the eighty second Airborne came
29:14
Speaker 2: out to the reservation and he went first to Dick Wilson.
29:18
Speaker 2: And when he came out, there was a group of
29:20
Speaker 2: our elders and they called them over to cross the
29:23
Speaker 2: road and they told we would like to show you
29:25
Speaker 2: and tell you what's really going on here. And when
29:29
Speaker 2: he went back to report to Nixon, he said that
29:32
Speaker 2: a tribal chairman, Dick Wilson, I think he's a big liar.
29:37
Speaker 2: I don't believe a word he said. So the traditionalist
29:40
Speaker 2: took me out to the reservation and I said, I've
29:43
Speaker 2: seen poverty. There's worse than Central America. And he said,
29:48
Speaker 2: I don't blame those people for fighting. I don't blame
29:51
Speaker 2: him for uprising. He said, if you send us out there,
29:54
Speaker 2: you ordered us out there, the majority of us are
29:57
Speaker 2: going to fight with the Indians. Wo oh, I heard
30:00
Speaker 2: that Nixon's mother told him, don't you hurt those Indians.
30:04
Speaker 2: Don't you hurt those people that? And his daughter was
30:08
Speaker 2: also another one.
30:09
Speaker 3: Three people were killed in total over those seventy one days.
30:13
Speaker 2: Finally, Wounded Me was over after Buddy Lamont was shot
30:17
Speaker 2: in the forehead by a sniper and Grandma Lamont wanted
30:21
Speaker 2: to end because she wanted to bury her son, who
30:25
Speaker 2: was a Vietnam War hero. So that's how wounded the
30:30
Speaker 2: end it. Actually, there's a lot of promises were made
30:34
Speaker 2: to the Native people that they were going to do this,
30:36
Speaker 2: they were going to do that, and didn't that happen? Again,
30:40
Speaker 2: most of us knew that was just some more lies.
30:44
Speaker 1: One of Ames's objectives was reopening treaty negotiation and holding
30:48
Speaker 1: the federal government accountable for violating the eighteen sixty eight
30:52
Speaker 1: Treaty of Fort Laramie with the Oglala Sioux. That violation
30:56
Speaker 1: was the Fed stealing you've guessed it more can land,
31:01
Speaker 1: this time in the Black Hills, you know, the place
31:04
Speaker 1: where Mount Rushmore is located. A nineteen eighty Supreme Court
31:08
Speaker 1: decision later ruled in favor of the Sioux, awarding them
31:12
Speaker 1: compensation plus interest starting from when the treaty was violated
31:15
Speaker 1: back in eighteen seventy seven, but they refused to accept
31:19
Speaker 1: that compensation in favor of the return of the land
31:23
Speaker 1: and this disagreement has still not been resolved. But back
31:27
Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy three, after Wounded me, the FEDS tried
31:30
Speaker 1: to prosecute the Visible AIM leadership Dennis Banks and Russell Means,
31:35
Speaker 1: with charges that held a potential fifteen hundred years in prison.
31:40
Speaker 1: What does they even mean a these numbers? But the
31:42
Speaker 1: case was dismissed based on prosecutorial misconduct, including evidence tampering,
31:49
Speaker 1: So the FEDS regrouped and plotted their next moves.
31:53
Speaker 5: In nineteen seventy four or ear least seventy five, the
31:55
Speaker 5: FBI considered aimed to be one of the most dangerous
31:58
Speaker 5: organizations to the country. When they listen their reasons for
32:02
Speaker 5: why AIM was being targeted, they specifically noted a new
32:07
Speaker 5: what they called mission statement of the American movement, which
32:12
Speaker 5: was to protect the earth from destructive mining. And the
32:15
Speaker 5: FBI starts switching from a canter intelligence operation to a
32:20
Speaker 5: counter insurgency operation.
32:22
Speaker 3: And they had help from various assets who had infiltrated AIM,
32:27
Speaker 3: including the head of security during the Wounded Knee occupation.
32:31
Speaker 3: Doug Durham. It's believed that he was the one who
32:34
Speaker 3: supplied the aim memo, the one that contained the mission
32:38
Speaker 3: statement threatening federal interest in uranium mining.
32:42
Speaker 2: Doug Durham. You got to hear this guy's story. This
32:45
Speaker 2: guy's a police officer and Omaha, Nebraska, and he's right
32:50
Speaker 2: next to Omaha's a reservation, look Quota reservation. He's grabbing
32:55
Speaker 2: these girls and forcing drugs on them, getting them hooked,
32:58
Speaker 2: and prosecuting them. That Omaha Nebraska police force fires him.
33:04
Speaker 2: He immediately goes to work for the FBI and that
33:08
Speaker 2: gets on their payroll and he infiltrated the American Indian moment.
33:12
Speaker 2: So they asked him in this hearing, they said, what
33:15
Speaker 2: about the American Indian moment? Do we have to be
33:18
Speaker 2: concerned about Russell and Dennis? And he tells him no,
33:21
Speaker 2: He said, I think the fifteen hundred years has pretty
33:24
Speaker 2: much silenced them. He said, the person you have to
33:28
Speaker 2: be concerned about is Leonard Peltier. He's a young guy.
33:32
Speaker 2: He's not afraid of the government. You won't get in
33:34
Speaker 2: the front of a camera because he just want this
33:36
Speaker 2: picture out there. But he's getting very popular among the people,
33:40
Speaker 2: and he's the person that we have to worry about.
33:44
Speaker 2: And after wounded knee, they really start coming after me.
34:02
Speaker 1: While Leonard was traveling the country to support various political
34:05
Speaker 1: actions back on the Pine Ridge Reservation, tensions with Dick
34:09
Speaker 1: Wilson and the Goon squad got even worse. So the
34:12
Speaker 1: Oglallas sup once again called upon Aime and Dennis Banks,
34:17
Speaker 1: who was in Arizona at the time with one of
34:19
Speaker 1: Leonard's co defendants, Daryl Dino Butler.
34:23
Speaker 6: My name is Dino Butler. I'm a member of the
34:26
Speaker 6: Sledge Competitive Tribes of Oregon. In nineteen seventy four, I
34:31
Speaker 6: was in Arizona. A call came in from South Dakota.
34:36
Speaker 6: They said that the goons were up there and they
34:38
Speaker 6: were throwing beer bottles and ecuting out houses and beating
34:41
Speaker 6: people up and everything. They were just getting out of control.
34:44
Speaker 6: They called Dennis to ask him if there was any
34:46
Speaker 6: warriors that were willing to come up there and stay
34:49
Speaker 6: there for a while and help them. So Leonard and
34:53
Speaker 6: me and some other brothers and sisters agreed to go
34:56
Speaker 6: up there to South Dakota at that time. We went
34:59
Speaker 6: to the housing projects there and we stayed there for
35:03
Speaker 6: a while and then we went to Ted Lange's place.
35:05
Speaker 6: Then we ended up at Jumping both plays. During all
35:09
Speaker 6: this time, the goons were still acting up and shooting
35:13
Speaker 6: up everything.
35:14
Speaker 2: The goons, they were going around the reservation and terrorizing
35:18
Speaker 2: single mothers that were strong, aim people, the elders, their
35:23
Speaker 2: homes are being shot up. We went and spent hours
35:26
Speaker 2: in the middle of the night going over there protecting
35:28
Speaker 2: those people. Anybody that affiliated themselves with the American Indian
35:33
Speaker 2: moment are traditionalists.
35:35
Speaker 3: So when Bruce said counterinsurgency earlier, you can hear how
35:40
Speaker 3: that doesn't appear to be hyperbole. There were sixty unsolved
35:45
Speaker 3: murders on Pine Ridge between seventy three and seventy five,
35:49
Speaker 3: and with a population of only twelve thousand, they had
35:53
Speaker 3: the highest murder rate in the country.
35:55
Speaker 5: Scores of people being killed, people being kept on the
35:59
Speaker 5: floors of their home, homes well, bullets swam through the walls.
36:03
Speaker 5: And we're talking about homes where families were living, where
36:05
Speaker 5: young kids were living, where elders were living.
36:08
Speaker 3: These murders would have been under FBI jurisdiction, yet for
36:12
Speaker 3: some reason, no one was ever pursued. Meanwhile, the FEDS
36:16
Speaker 3: were trying Dennis Banks for a second time, this time
36:20
Speaker 3: for the alleged assault and rioting associated with the Wounded
36:24
Speaker 3: de occupation, and they knew he was being protected at
36:28
Speaker 3: an aim stronghold called Jumping Bull Ranch. It seems they
36:32
Speaker 3: also knew Leonard was there from.
36:34
Speaker 5: Documents we got parts of or all of. A little
36:37
Speaker 5: bit later, they had their security and their intelligence informants focusing.
36:42
Speaker 5: I mean, they were looking for Leonard all over the country.
36:44
Speaker 5: So we get to a month before the firefight and
36:46
Speaker 5: a bunch of FBI agents are brought into Pine Ridge.
36:49
Speaker 5: Most of them are SWAT Team members. They're on sixty
36:52
Speaker 5: day special assignment.
36:53
Speaker 2: Before the shoot out, we've seen a lot of activities
36:56
Speaker 2: with helicopters and stuff, and they had these machines out
37:00
Speaker 2: the windows and everything. We didn't find out un till
37:03
Speaker 2: years later, but they were surveying that whole area. And
37:07
Speaker 2: then they had these ages driving around like stormtroopers, and
37:11
Speaker 2: they would walk into people's doors. They would not knock,
37:15
Speaker 2: they would just push the doors open. That's the same
37:18
Speaker 2: thing that's kicking them over. And they terrified the community.
37:22
Speaker 2: A lot of the people were getting scared. A lot
37:24
Speaker 2: of the people were getting angry. A lot of the men.
37:27
Speaker 2: We were saying, you know, something's going to happen. They can't
37:30
Speaker 2: keep doing this to us. That's not legal.
37:34
Speaker 5: Three weeks before the firefight, the FBI issues a document
37:38
Speaker 5: in which they talk about jumping balls. They claimed that
37:40
Speaker 5: there were bunkers there, that there are probably going to
37:43
Speaker 5: have to assault these bunkers. And three weeks later there's
37:47
Speaker 5: a paramilitary assault on that particular area. And as the
37:51
Speaker 5: US Comission on stil Rights pointed out, those bunkers are
37:54
Speaker 5: really aged root sellers that you wouldn't want to stand
37:56
Speaker 5: behind if someone was throwing rocks at you less defensive position.
38:02
Speaker 5: What also is clear is that once the first shots
38:05
Speaker 5: were fired, and I got to say that, the government
38:07
Speaker 5: began to lie right away from the start of the firefight.
38:11
Speaker 5: Right away, it became a big lie for their own
38:15
Speaker 5: particular narrative.
38:17
Speaker 1: So, after a two year long federally funded terror campaign
38:20
Speaker 1: through the Goon Squad, which as you can imagine, only
38:23
Speaker 1: intensified with the arrival of SWAT teams from all over
38:26
Speaker 1: the country in that climate, the FBI claimed that they
38:30
Speaker 1: were simply carrying out just an ordinary, everyday arrest warrant
38:35
Speaker 1: for a guy named Jimmy Eagle.
38:37
Speaker 2: There was a warrant. Supposedly, that's a lie because the
38:41
Speaker 2: FBI don't have this jurisdiction. They were saying that they
38:46
Speaker 2: had a warrant out for Jimmy you go, for stealing
38:49
Speaker 2: a pair of used cowboy.
38:51
Speaker 5: Boots, used cowboy pots.
38:54
Speaker 2: They don't have. They don't have jurisdiction. There's no jurisdiction
38:59
Speaker 2: for them to do that. They can't do that, so
39:01
Speaker 2: that was a lie.
39:03
Speaker 3: If you remember, we mentioned the Major Crimes Act of
39:06
Speaker 3: eighteen eighty five. This designated all violent crimes and other
39:10
Speaker 3: offenses under federal jurisdiction. A pair of stolen cowboy boots
39:14
Speaker 3: would have been handled by tribal police. In addition, it
39:18
Speaker 3: appears that Jimmy Eagle was in Wyoming at the time,
39:22
Speaker 3: on another reservation entirely, yet he was allegedly known to
39:27
Speaker 3: drive a red pickup. So on June twenty sixth, nineteen
39:32
Speaker 3: seventy five, the FBI claimed that agents Ronald Williams and
39:36
Speaker 3: Jack Koehler, who were in plain clothes and unmarked vehicles,
39:40
Speaker 3: not identifying themselves. The FBI claims these guys were allegedly
39:45
Speaker 3: in hot pursuit of what they claimed to have thought
39:49
Speaker 3: was Jimmy Eagle's vehicle, a red van but with a
39:52
Speaker 3: white top, and as the federal narrative goes, the car
39:57
Speaker 3: would not stop until it arrived at Jumping Bull Ranch.
40:01
Speaker 2: That's not true. That's not true. They didn't follow that
40:04
Speaker 2: red and white van in there. That red and white
40:06
Speaker 2: van was there ten minutes, at least ten minutes before
40:10
Speaker 2: they showed up. I know I'm the one that drove
40:13
Speaker 2: it in there because I had just taken it down
40:16
Speaker 2: to Ogla to get something fixed on it. So that
40:19
Speaker 2: was another lie. But we come in and parked in
40:22
Speaker 2: front of the Jumping Bowl house and we were talking
40:25
Speaker 2: to some of the people there about something. These guys
40:28
Speaker 2: just come driving in like they owned the place and
40:32
Speaker 2: they've been right past us, and went down to where
40:35
Speaker 2: the shooting took place.
40:37
Speaker 1: Which was about five hundred yards off US Highway eighteen,
40:40
Speaker 1: onto this sprawling private compound. Now remember this is after
40:44
Speaker 1: a nearly three year reign of terror, when these men
40:47
Speaker 1: in plane clothes and unmarked cars which doesn't appear how
40:50
Speaker 1: to identify themselves through their weapons.
40:53
Speaker 2: We didn't start it. They started it. We were defending
40:57
Speaker 2: our homes and my responsibility it was getting the women
41:01
Speaker 2: and children out of there.
41:03
Speaker 3: Soon, every able bodied person either in the houses or
41:06
Speaker 3: campgrounds on jumping bull ranches doing their part, including Dino Butler.
41:12
Speaker 6: I just come out of our teetheet on a jumping
41:14
Speaker 6: bull property. I came out and I heard this brother
41:17
Speaker 6: come running down towards the camp call telling us that brothers,
41:20
Speaker 6: gather up your guns, gather up your weapons, and get
41:23
Speaker 6: up here. They're attacking the families up there jumping bulls.
41:28
Speaker 6: So we all gathered up our rifles and we ran
41:30
Speaker 6: up there. I didn't know who was shooting at us
41:36
Speaker 6: at first, but then I understood later on it was
41:39
Speaker 6: the FBI that were firing at it. Two FBI agents
41:43
Speaker 6: came there and they opened fired on the people, and
41:47
Speaker 6: that that I didn't understand what was going on, why
41:54
Speaker 6: why they were doing that.
41:56
Speaker 2: I helped Angie and her babies who were crying, terrified
42:00
Speaker 2: and everything. I helped them get out of there. I
42:02
Speaker 2: let him down to a trail, and you knew that,
42:05
Speaker 2: so I tore to go that way and all us
42:08
Speaker 2: hope they don't kill you. So they hope they don't
42:10
Speaker 2: shoot you, because you got these little kids here, and
42:13
Speaker 2: they did go that way and they got out.
42:15
Speaker 5: People I talked to said they were within moments being
42:18
Speaker 5: surrounded and receiving gunfire from all directions.
42:22
Speaker 2: When I got back, we could see from the tops
42:25
Speaker 2: we were surrounded. They had swat teams from as far
42:29
Speaker 2: away as Los Angeles, from Minneapolis, and all the cities
42:34
Speaker 2: around South Dakota there within minutes. So they were housed
42:40
Speaker 2: someplace close to the reservation because they were there within
42:44
Speaker 2: ten minutes at the most.
42:46
Speaker 1: In addition, there was a small single propeller plane that
42:49
Speaker 1: had been flying around all day that was now surveilling
42:52
Speaker 1: the siege from above.
42:54
Speaker 5: And so this massive force comes in and in the
42:58
Speaker 5: processual stunts who a young Native defender within the community
43:02
Speaker 5: was shot between the eyes and two fpigands were killed.
43:07
Speaker 2: So I told everybody, all right, come on, we got
43:10
Speaker 2: to get out of here. So we went down to
43:12
Speaker 2: the camp, which was about a quarter of a mile
43:14
Speaker 2: from the house, and picked up what we could carry
43:18
Speaker 2: and everything like this, and we knew there was the
43:20
Speaker 2: highest hill that way, so I said, we got to
43:23
Speaker 2: get to that place. And as we were walking down
43:26
Speaker 2: across the creek, I had no idea who was out there.
43:30
Speaker 2: On the roads, and we knew was surrounded. So I said,
43:34
Speaker 2: we got to get out of here. We got to
43:36
Speaker 2: somehow find a hole to get out of here.
43:39
Speaker 6: Leonard wanted to get and get in a vat and
43:41
Speaker 6: run a roadblock and get out of there. And I
43:44
Speaker 6: told Leonard, I think that would be complete suicide. And
43:48
Speaker 6: so we all knelt down and we started praying.
43:51
Speaker 2: I told these guys, come on, let's just say a
43:53
Speaker 2: prayer here, asking the Great Spirit to lead us out
43:56
Speaker 2: of there. And all of a sudden, there was a
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Speaker 2: shadow in the trees and there was a like something
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Speaker 2: was big was flying there. And I looked up and
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Speaker 2: I seen it. These eagles took off under the trees.
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Speaker 2: Norman Brown says he also seen it. Everybody else didn't
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Speaker 2: see it, but he heard it too, and he's seen it.
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Speaker 6: So Norman said, let's follow that eagle. So we followed
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Speaker 6: that eagle brought us to this calvert that ran under
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Speaker 6: the road, and we all went into that culvert and
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Speaker 6: Leonard went first and I went second, and there was
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Speaker 6: an airplane flying around. It was there since early morning.
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Speaker 6: So Leonard said, well, let's pray pray for that airplane
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Speaker 6: to leave. So me and him started praying, and after
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Speaker 6: we got done, that plane left. It went back to
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Speaker 6: Pine Ridge to gas up. I guess I don't know what,
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Speaker 6: but it left. And when it left, we called everybody
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Speaker 6: out of the culvert and we sent the women up
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Speaker 6: the hill.
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Speaker 5: First.
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Speaker 2: We had some young fourteen fifteen year old kids with us,
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Speaker 2: and my responsibility is to make sure that they safe,
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Speaker 2: and I believe in the Great Spirit helped us get
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Speaker 2: out of there. How did we find that hole? What?
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Speaker 2: Why did those cops leave that area? I mean it
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Speaker 2: was what three cars I believe it, it's maybe even
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Speaker 2: been four took off from that area where we went
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Speaker 2: under this culvert. I swear on my Shinoopa, I swear
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Speaker 2: to my God. If we hadn't fought back, we probably
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Speaker 2: all got chilled. This was a war.
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Speaker 1: And this is where we'll stop in the first of
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Speaker 1: three episodes covering the absolutely insane, wrongful conviction story of
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Speaker 1: Leonard Peltier. And there's so much left to come.
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Speaker 2: I sent them ahead of me. I told them, go,
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Speaker 2: I'll take.
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Speaker 5: Up the rear.
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Speaker 6: I could just feel the bullets buzzing around me.
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Speaker 5: They even included at one point every Native man who
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Speaker 5: had ever been in combat in Indo, China on their
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Speaker 5: suspect list.
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Speaker 2: Wow, they also included a four year old and we
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Speaker 2: didn't know why we were the ones being accused.
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Speaker 6: My little brother, he said, when he woke up an
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Speaker 6: Fbis was pointing a pistol in his head and says,
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Speaker 6: worre's your fucking brother.
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Speaker 2: At Marlon Brando gave us a mobile home. I went
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Speaker 2: to Canada of Astra asylum and they were supposed to
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Speaker 2: produce any evidence that they had against me, and very
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Speaker 2: conservative judge said, there is no evidence.
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Speaker 5: In the Dino Butler trial, we were able to present
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Speaker 5: members of the community who helped the jury understand what
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Speaker 5: was regarded as the reign of terror.
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Speaker 2: If they did that to a white community, they would
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Speaker 2: have been shot too.
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Speaker 6: That Leonard Woods to try with us there and see
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Speaker 6: the rapids who would have never been convicted.
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Speaker 1: Because Dino and Robert were acquitted, they changed the whole story.
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Speaker 5: And the testimony becomes much more definitive.
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Speaker 2: I never met her in my life, but she was
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Speaker 2: claiming she was my girlfriend, and that was the beginning
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Speaker 2: of the type of trial I was going to receive.
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Speaker 6: There was a kangaroo court all the way.
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