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Interview with Experiencer/Filmmaker John Yost · UFOS & PARANORMAL WITH PRESTON DENNETT

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  Speaker 1: Hello, everyone. My name is Preston Dennett, and welcome to
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  Speaker 1: a new episode of UFOs and the Paranormal. Doing something
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  Speaker 1: a little different today. I don't think I've ever done
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  Speaker 1: this quite before, but I've got on a couple of guests.
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  Speaker 1: Dolly Saffron. You know, she's the subject of my book Symmetry,
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  Speaker 1: a true UFO Adventure. She's a lifelong contact, d fully conscious,
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  Speaker 1: has not needed hypnosis to recover her memories. She lives
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  Speaker 1: them live as they occur, and has had a lifetime
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  Speaker 1: of experiences with grays, tall whites, and many other different
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  Speaker 1: types of ets healing events. She learned how to pilot
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  Speaker 1: the craft. Well you probably know this if you've watched
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  Speaker 1: my YouTube channel done a bunch of interviews with Dolly.
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  Speaker 1: So welcome Dolly, thank you. And also, as you can see,
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  Speaker 1: we do have another guest, and this is John Yost,
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  Speaker 1: who has made quite a recent splash in this field
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  Speaker 1: with his film, his documentary Alien Abduction Answers, which I
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  Speaker 1: haven't seen yet. I do plan to see it, but
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  Speaker 1: we have him here so he can tell us all
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  Speaker 1: about it. I do know it's been pretty well received
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  Speaker 1: with great reviews by let's see Kathleen Martin and Jacques Vallet,
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  Speaker 1: and certainly Whitley Strieber and Grant Cameron. So yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: making the rounds. He's having an effect. I think that's
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  Speaker 1: why I'm absolutely honored to have him on the show.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you very much, John for coming on the show.
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  Speaker 2: I am very grateful to both Dollie and to yourself, sir,
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  Speaker 2: for sharing your time, and I thank your viewers as well.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: I have great kudos for anyone who steps into this
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  Speaker 1: field searching for answers and helping to publicize it and
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  Speaker 1: educate people. So I'm absolutely delighted to have you.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, sir.
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  Speaker 1: So I thought we would just start I always when
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  Speaker 1: I interview someone, I've interviewed a lot of people, I'm
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  Speaker 1: just fascinated by a person's own experiences and what drew
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  Speaker 1: them into this field. So I thought we could start
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  Speaker 1: with that, because I do believe you had some of
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  Speaker 1: your own personal experiences with i'll call the phenomena, even
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  Speaker 1: I really don't like that word. I think these are
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  Speaker 1: just human experiences that millions of people are having. So yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how you're started and what you
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  Speaker 1: thought of it.
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  Speaker 2: Well, first off, I think that you have your finger
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  Speaker 2: right on it. I do think it is a human experience.
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  Speaker 2: I think that it is prolific. I think that what
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  Speaker 2: we're going to find out is most of us have
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  Speaker 2: had a brush with other and either through denial, or
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  Speaker 2: through ignorance, or through fear, we haven't recognized it. Some
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  Speaker 2: of it is purposeful and some of it is unconscious
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  Speaker 2: resistance to it. So I think you're supremely correct in that, sir.
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  Speaker 2: I was completely surprised by that. I would have told
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  Speaker 2: you I would have scoffed at the entire situation, and
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  Speaker 2: my sarcastic retorts were really a defensive mechanism on my part.
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  Speaker 2: What had happened was this, I was seven years old,
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  Speaker 2: and I grew up in Pennsylvania, and I was born
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  Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty six, and in August of nineteen seventy four,
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  Speaker 2: when I was seven years old, I was awakened in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the evening. Now I lived in my
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  Speaker 2: parents' home, of course, on the second floor. My family
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  Speaker 2: was not wealthy, so we didn't have central air conditioning
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  Speaker 2: or anything like that. The windows were open, and I
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  Speaker 2: had been awakened. I was drone. If you will, and
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  Speaker 2: I'll embarrass myself by making the noise. It was kind
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  Speaker 2: of like this undulating drone, like a that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 2: And I sat up and I was I was disturbed,
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  Speaker 2: I was angry, I was tired. I'd been playing all day, right,
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  Speaker 2: seven years old. Was summer, it was summer vacation. And
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  Speaker 2: I kind of wiped the sleep from my eyes and
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  Speaker 2: I went to the bathroom and you know, I'm getting
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  Speaker 2: a glass of water, and the water is pouring for
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  Speaker 2: a very long time, and I don't understand why that's happening.
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  Speaker 2: I remember noting that it was taking too long, and
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  Speaker 2: I don't know why. And then at some point I
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  Speaker 2: turned off the water and I went to the bathroom
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  Speaker 2: door and I opened the door. Now, something incredible happened
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  Speaker 2: in that doorway facing me. My seven year old mind
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  Speaker 2: told me I was looking at a character I'd seen
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  Speaker 2: a thousand times on television, a character named Ultra Man.
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  Speaker 2: Now he had it's a Japanese television show, and he
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  Speaker 2: was a giant silver guy with an oblong head in
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  Speaker 2: these huge eyes. And I loved Ultraman. I have to
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  Speaker 2: tell you something. I leave he was a hero of mine.
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  Speaker 2: I thought he was. You know, he fought the bad
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  Speaker 2: guys and the monsters, and so I dug Ultraman, so
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  Speaker 2: there was no fear. And we got very very close,
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  Speaker 2: and I mean honestly, like nose to nose. And then
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  Speaker 2: something happened. I felt myself falling. And the way I
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  Speaker 2: the way I describe it as this. If you or
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  Speaker 2: some of your audience have ever been on a beach
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  Speaker 2: and the water comes up over your ankles and as
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  Speaker 2: it goes back out, as it retreats back to the water,
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  Speaker 2: it slowly pulls away the sand underneath it, and you
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  Speaker 2: feel it like you're falling backwards. That's the way he
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  Speaker 2: felt for me. And I was petrick. I was. I
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  Speaker 2: was very terrified, and I flailed like a drowning man.
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  Speaker 2: And when I did, I literally laid hands on this
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  Speaker 2: character I and there was this huge flash of light
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  Speaker 2: and I felt like I was moving in there was
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  Speaker 2: all this light, and I saw green and blue and
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  Speaker 2: purple and magenta and all this and I'm I'm I'm
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  Speaker 2: whirling around. I felt like it was moving, but I
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  Speaker 2: could not tell. And I'm looking and I can't see.
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  Speaker 2: And then I'm in the middle of this thing. And
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  Speaker 2: as I kind of come back to my senses. I
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  Speaker 2: am still in this fight, but something very strange has happened.
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  Speaker 2: I am now kind of interpolated with this ultraman I
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  Speaker 2: am now with my back in the hallway and his
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  Speaker 2: back is in the bathroom. And there's a split second
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  Speaker 2: there where I'm like, what the heck has happened? You know?
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  Speaker 2: But I'm in the middle of this, and I go
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  Speaker 2: to hit him. And what I do and I say him,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's a hymn, you know, this ultramant guy.
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  Speaker 2: He raises his hand, he touches me right here on
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  Speaker 2: my left shoulder, and what he does, there's this brilliant
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  Speaker 2: flash of light. I feel this energy on my shoulder
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  Speaker 2: and my chest, and that's almost like a you know,
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  Speaker 2: if you're standing, you know, halfway into an ocean and
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  Speaker 2: a wave hits you in the chest and knocks you down,
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  Speaker 2: you know, down. That's the way I felt. Behind me
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  Speaker 2: are these hardwood stairs that go that lead to the
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  Speaker 2: first floor. And I fall ugly, I mean up and
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  Speaker 2: over and banging off walls and this, and I lay
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  Speaker 2: in a heap on the bottom landing and I am
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  Speaker 2: screaming my head off like a Banshee and my parents.
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  Speaker 2: They had a first floor bedroom. They come running around,
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  Speaker 2: they see me and my father. He's a big guy,
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  Speaker 2: and he says, you know, what the hell is going on?
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  Speaker 2: And I'm saying screamings, you know, through sobs. There's ultraman upstairs.
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  Speaker 2: He's in my bedrooms up My father bounds up the stairs.
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  Speaker 2: My mom is looking at her son, just in a heap,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm sabbing, and I'm sobbing so much that i
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  Speaker 2: can't really speak, you know, like you can't catch your breath,
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  Speaker 2: and she's trying to console me of how there my
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  Speaker 2: father's slamming doors upstairs. And after some time he comes
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  Speaker 2: to the top of the stairs and he looks down
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  Speaker 2: and he's just I mean, he's overtired, he's disgusted, he's
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  Speaker 2: upset because of course there's nothing there, right, right, So
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  Speaker 2: my parents, after some time, take me to the top
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  Speaker 2: of the stairs and take me into my room and
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  Speaker 2: they do what parents do, you know. They look in
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  Speaker 2: the closet, right, there's nothing in the closet. They look
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  Speaker 2: under the bed, see there's nothing, and they land me
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  Speaker 2: down and I'm kind of still whimpering, but I am
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  Speaker 2: so exhausted at this point, and the only thing I
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  Speaker 2: could surmise is that, you know, all that adrenaline pumping
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  Speaker 2: through my body just wiped me out and I just
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  Speaker 2: passed out. Well, the next day, I have to date myself.
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  Speaker 2: You know, kids today you can't get them off a
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  Speaker 2: sofa because they're you know, with the screens. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: back in the seventies, during the summer vacation, you grabbed
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  Speaker 2: a waff when you ran outside. You played all day
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  Speaker 2: until you're called you in for dinner. That was the
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  Speaker 2: way it was. And that's what I did. And I
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  Speaker 2: felt like I had been beaten up. But you know,
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  Speaker 2: I just played the day and my mom called me
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  Speaker 2: in for dinner and she said, listen, you're disgusting. It
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  Speaker 2: was it was. It was August, as I said, it
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  Speaker 2: was very fairy, humid, and so she's I don't want
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  Speaker 2: to take a bath. You know, I'm a little boy.
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  Speaker 2: And she's struggling with me my T shirt and she's
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  Speaker 2: looking at all the contusions the bruises on my body,
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  Speaker 2: and she gets to my left shoulder and she pauses
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  Speaker 2: and she says, oh my god, honey, what happened here?
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking around and I say, from mom, I told
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  Speaker 2: you was the ultraman. She looked very sad, and she
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  Speaker 2: give a little kiss on the forehead, said it'll be okay,
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  Speaker 2: It'll be okay. A couple of days later, my father
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  Speaker 2: is taking me to our family doctor and we're pulling
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  Speaker 2: into the parking lot and he says to me, now, listen,
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  Speaker 2: when we get in there, I don't want to hear
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  Speaker 2: anything about this ultraman guy. Okay, you keep that to yourself.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, as I stated a couple of times,
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  Speaker 2: I'm seven years old, so I have no idea the
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  Speaker 2: import of this. Why I would tell him whatever I said, Okay, Dad,
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  Speaker 2: you know I love my dad. And so the doctor
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  Speaker 2: is doing a cursory look. And remember this a couple
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  Speaker 2: of days later, so all of my bruises are yellowing
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  Speaker 2: and you know, healing this sort of thing, and he
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  Speaker 2: gets to my shoulder, my left shoulder, and he says, oh, Sport,
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  Speaker 2: what the heck happened here? And I start to blurt out, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, there was this guy. My father is in
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  Speaker 2: the corner and he is giving me, you know, the eye,
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  Speaker 2: the eye. But once again, I wasn't afraid of my dad.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean, you know, back in the seventies, your
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  Speaker 2: father gave you the eye. You know what the heck
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  Speaker 2: that meant? Shut your darn mouth anyway, So I said, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I was just playing. I got hurt. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: And so the doctor he took some time with it,
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  Speaker 2: the mark, and he manipulated it and tried to see
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  Speaker 2: if there was liquid, and it asked me if it hurt,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and so on and so on, and then
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  Speaker 2: afterwards gave me a lollipop and I walked out the
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  Speaker 2: door my dad. We were returning home. And as we
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  Speaker 2: pulled into the driveway my parents home, uh, my father
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  Speaker 2: took a different tone with me, and he said, now listen.
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  Speaker 2: He lowered his voice and he said, now listen to me.
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  Speaker 2: I never ever want to hear about this ultraman guy again.
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  Speaker 2: You shut your damn mouth. I don't want to hear.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want you scared your mother, I don't want
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  Speaker 2: you scared your sisters. You shut up about it, very sternly,
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  Speaker 2: and that and that's the first moment that I felt afraid,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like almost like I had
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  Speaker 2: done something wrong right, and I, you know, and I
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  Speaker 2: have no idea of why this isn't whatever. And I said,
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  Speaker 2: you know, short, okay, dad, But now I mean I
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  Speaker 2: got it before, I didn't get it. I got it
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  Speaker 2: this time. And so I lied about it my entire life.
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  Speaker 2: Now people have said to me, well, well you know,
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  Speaker 2: come on, you're a teenager, a young man. Well this
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  Speaker 2: is what happened. It evolved into something. You know, I'm
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  Speaker 2: looking at Dolly and she's wearing glasses, and so this
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  Speaker 2: is what I want to share with you. How this is.
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  Speaker 2: It's almost like muscle memory. You know, this morning, you
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  Speaker 2: didn't get up and say, hmm, I determine it's a
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  Speaker 2: good idea if I should see clearly today, so I
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  Speaker 2: shall put my spectacles on it. That never happened. That
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  Speaker 2: process never happened. What happened is you sat up and
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  Speaker 2: rubbed your eyes and said, oh crap, I can't see anything.
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  Speaker 2: Put them on right. That was it, and you didn't
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  Speaker 2: think about it. So I lied all through my childhood.
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  Speaker 2: And then I was very active in sports in high
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  Speaker 2: school and university, and you know, people would say, hey,
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  Speaker 2: I was what the heck? And I a shark bit me,
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  Speaker 2: I got hit by lightning, somebody shot me.
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  Speaker 1: You could just go back for a second. So was
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  Speaker 1: this a mark that stayed on your shoulder that you
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  Speaker 1: visibly see or.
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  Speaker 2: It's yes, actually in the film you see it. It's
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  Speaker 2: it's very raised. It changes color, it changes temperature. It's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of people say they see a different shape
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  Speaker 2: in the film. We outlined it so everybody can see it.
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  Speaker 2: But I mean it's raised it to me, to me personally,
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  Speaker 2: it looks like a thumb print, looks like but it's large.
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  Speaker 2: I have big hands and it's like maybe an engine
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  Speaker 2: a half long.
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  Speaker 1: Is it ever painful?
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  Speaker 2: No? Right, never painful, scan, none of it. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Did you have a skinne?
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  Speaker 2: No, No, I never did. I never did, And I'll
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  Speaker 2: explain why in a second here, So a few more
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  Speaker 2: quick questions. Yes, sir, yes, sir.
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  Speaker 1: You know when you see this Ultra man guy, was
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  Speaker 1: he short? Was he your?
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  Speaker 2: Or? Good? Good? Good call. One of the things that
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  Speaker 2: I remarked h and I have remarked other people is
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  Speaker 2: that kind of the surprising thing is is that I
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  Speaker 2: was the smallest kid in my class until high school,
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  Speaker 2: and Ultraman was as giant and he was as big
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  Speaker 2: as me, so he was little. We were eyed. I
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  Speaker 2: literally these two tiny people.
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  Speaker 1: And was he an accurate representation of.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes, I saw, I saw a miniature Ultraman.
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  Speaker 2: He was silver, he had the same sort of eyes everything.
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  Speaker 2: Did you have.
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  Speaker 3: Mental communication with him at all? Did you hear in kop.
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  Speaker 2: At that moment? No? No, and and and I think, honestly,
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  Speaker 2: I think that those these these kind of clarifications are
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  Speaker 2: going to come into the second part of this thing.
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  Speaker 2: I'll tell you the rest, and I think, oh, you'll say, oh,
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  Speaker 2: well that's the answer, that's why, all.
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  Speaker 1: Right, But before you do, let me I just do
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  Speaker 1: have a few quick interesting you say age seven, because
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  Speaker 1: I've heard that age come up quite a bit, and
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  Speaker 1: this sounds to me like a screen memory. I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you've probably heard at this time, because I've heard people
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  Speaker 1: describe Teddy Bears, clowns, superheroes, arby dolls. To hear you
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  Speaker 1: say Ultraman kind of fits in with some of the
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  Speaker 1: stories I have heard of other people.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, sir, I do.
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  Speaker 1: Find that interesting. And so this experience wasn't at all scary.
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  Speaker 2: For you, well up until the point when I felt
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  Speaker 2: myself slipping and then all of the lights and the flashing,
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  Speaker 2: and then I was literally I'm telling you, I laid
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  Speaker 2: my hands on this character, you know, in a struggle.
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  Speaker 1: All right, did you have any dreams or anything following
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  Speaker 1: that incident about.
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  Speaker 2: You know that incident many times? All right?
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  Speaker 1: Can you share what they were about?
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  Speaker 2: All of them? All of them were just a reek
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  Speaker 2: counting over and over again of these steps. And I
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  Speaker 2: could in my dream I said to myself, don't open
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  Speaker 2: that bathroom door. Don't open that bathroom door. He's out there,
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  Speaker 2: he's out there. Don't do it, don't do it. And
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  Speaker 2: all of my dreams were unsatisfactory in that they all
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  Speaker 2: ended in that kind of dervish, the whirling lights that
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  Speaker 2: I could not I could not understand, and I was
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  Speaker 2: frustrated because I was struggling to try to understand was
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  Speaker 2: I moving, what those lights were or why I felt
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  Speaker 2: this way like I was falling? Yeah, they were just
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  Speaker 2: very Have.
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  Speaker 3: You had any inclination or have you had to come
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  Speaker 3: to you about what was actually happening since then? Innother words,
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  Speaker 3: have you made sense of it since that day? I?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, That's why I made the film. I'm not trying
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  Speaker 2: to be I'm not trying to obvious gate. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: I want to tell you the rest. But what had
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  Speaker 2: happened was and I think this is key and with
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  Speaker 2: this it'll all make sense. If you allow me to
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  Speaker 2: just tell you this little keystone, then you'll go, oh,
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  Speaker 2: that makes it, and then these answers will fall into place.
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  Speaker 2: So what I had happened is I lied all my life.
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  Speaker 2: I lied to my wife, I lied to my kids,
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  Speaker 2: never told anybody. And the evolution of that obvious gation
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  Speaker 2: changed from my dad told me to anything, and I
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  Speaker 2: mean anything in the world would have been better to
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  Speaker 2: say than hey, you know what, I was abducted. I
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to do that, the lost credibility, I would
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  Speaker 2: have lost friends. I was certain, and that was kind
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  Speaker 2: of like this touchstone that I did not want to
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  Speaker 2: get close to the older I became. And then you know,
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  Speaker 2: it was always I don't want to say it was
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  Speaker 2: front of mine. It was a very clear memory. I
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  Speaker 2: always had absolute clarity except for that worlding and how
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  Speaker 2: we got interpolated. And that leads me to present day.
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  Speaker 2: So throughout my life, to my best knowledge, I never
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  Speaker 2: had any other encounters. Right about three and a half
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  Speaker 2: years ago, four years ago, I was on a shoot,
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  Speaker 2: a regular shoot. This is what I have to share
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  Speaker 2: with you. So I grew up, went to school, university.
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  Speaker 2: I worked under the jurisprudence of the Treasury Department. I
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  Speaker 2: was a US customs broker. I traveled the world. I
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  Speaker 2: moved people, intellectual properties, and money amongst all kinds of
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: different nations, and navigated all the trade agreements throughout these
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: nations and paid duties and taxes, et cetera. I did
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: that for ten years, federally licensed under the Commissioner of
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: the US Treasury Department, and it just lost its hues
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: and became a job at job. And I always had
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: a dream of being in film and television. So this
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: is shoot thirty five years ago. I'm an old guy anyway,
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: So I got I got involved in film and television.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: And so I've done a ton of stuff in front
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: of the camera. I've directed, I've produced, I've written, you know,
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: all across the country.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: Real quick, What types of things were you writing and producing?
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: Sure? Sure? As a sidebar, you can find me on
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: IMDb dot com and you can see all kinds of stuff.
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: But most of my stuff is just running the mill.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: Liked stuff that you'd find on Food Channel, stuff that
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: you find on History. You know, battle in the bulge,
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: World War two cooking shows. I did a thousands, if
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: not three thousand commercials for all kinds of different things,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: everything from attorneys to car dealers, to credit cards to whatever.
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just a guy in the business. I
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: was never a star. Don't want to be a star.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: Think of me like a blue collar worker, don't. I
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: don't own IBM, but I'm that guy who makes the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: printed circuit board. So I work for IBM. So that's
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that's what I did. So you would have seen it
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: or bumped into it at some point because they were
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: all across the country. So I was on a shoote
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: a regular run in the mill shoot, and I was
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: producing in a place called Borrego Springs, California. I don't
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: know if you've ever been there, but it's very flat.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: It's very arid, as you know then, and we had
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: run of this big house to keep the crew and
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: the cast altogether, because you know, it's like herding cats.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: I don't want people to get lost out there. And
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: we had done a night shoot and come back in
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: it's late, you know, one thirty two o'clock in the morning,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: and I'm inside with the crew and we're making sure
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: that we have duplicates of all the film, because we
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: don't want to go to the different coast to do
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: editing and somebody lose something. The rest of everybody. There
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: were about fifteen people with us, seventeen people with us,
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: and they were out there was a pool behind the
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: house that we rented, and they were having a night cap.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: So I walk out at some point and somebody hands
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: me a glass and they're gonna make a toe. So
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: I raise my glass and there's a glint of light
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: in the glass and in my mind, my mind is
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: immediately trying to identify what I saw. And I said, oh, well,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: that's the moon. You know, that's system. And then I went,
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: wait a second. I checked myself. I said, wait a second,
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: that's not the moon. Tonight's the full moon. I know
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: because I can't. I set this shoot up so we
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: could control the lights. We have these big light banks
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: so we can control the light. There's no moon out tonight.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: And I dropped my glass. And as I dropped my glass,
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I see above the house. I'm facing the house, the
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: pools behind me. Above the house, about thirty feet in
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: the air, is this kind of blue green, self luminous
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: odd shaped thing, and I I'm do you remember that
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: old show?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: Uh?
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: What is it? Lost in space? It does not compute,
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: does not This is my mind. I'm like, what the
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: hell is that? And then my mind is searching for,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: you know, an association, and I say, oh, that's a
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: that's a get well balloon, like a milar balloon, like
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: a get well or a happy birthday. And then my
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: mind checks myself again, says no, that is as big
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: as a volkswagon. What. And one of my camera guys, Scott,
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: he was sitting right here, and I grab him and
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: I turn him and he says, oh my god. And
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: as he does, the rest of the people around the
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: pool say, oh my god, what is that? Is that
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: a UFO? Well, my god? Is that a kite? Is
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: that a drone? But all this other stuff, this whole
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: buzz is happening now. This little preamble took six seconds.
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: This is going on, and as they is, we all
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: focus our attention on this thing. And as I am
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: focused on it, it zigzags. And I mean to tell you,
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: I have never in my life seen anything move that
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: damn fast. It's exactly and stopped right above my head.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: And I don't know how long it was there. I
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: don't know if it was like a second or manute,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know, but something occurred in
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: that instant. That feeling of the sand slipping out from
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: under my feet charred me. I had not felt that
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: feeling like that since I was a little boy of seven.
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: Oh wow.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: And I became immediately terrified. And I when when I
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: say afraid, I mean like this kind of afraid. I
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: don't know if you have ever been this cold, or
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: this afraid or this you know, embarrassed. This hungover where
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: your inside, your literal organs are shaking, and that's the
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: way I was. And then it kind of zipped about
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: twenty feet away. Everybody is still talking, Oh my god,
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: do you see this? How fast it most? Blah blah
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: blah blah. And then it just drifts off into the desert.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And there were, like I said, there were like fifteen
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: seventeen people there looking at it, all talking about it,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: and it was very flat so we could watch it.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And then eventually it blinked out. People are humming about it, and.
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: What if you have a camera?
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Of course not all the cameras and everything else are
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: inside right, I just told you we were downloading all
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: this stuff. We figured we were, you know, done for
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: the day, and their shoot had nothing to do with
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: any of this stuff. I mean, so I am, I
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: am dying inside, and I make some stupid comment everybody.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: I say, well, you young whipper snappers can hang out all
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: night and drink. I've got I've got business to do.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: I got to write reports. And I went to the
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: room that was mine and I barricaded the door. I
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: took the bed and I slid it across the room,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: and I took all my luggage and I threw it
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: up on top of the bed and I sat in
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: a corner on the floor, and I bawled my eyes out,
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: and it was horrible. And you have to understand that
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: this was not a fifty year old guy dealing with something.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: This was a seven year old kid who had never
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: dealt with anything, and so it was horrible. And the
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: more I cried, the more angry I became. And let
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: me push in on that a little bit. In my business, Okay,
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: as a producer, you have to be very left brain.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Li're very very anal retentive. You know boxes being checked,
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: you know you're moving a lot of money. Usually it's
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: not yours. So you know, of course the audit trail
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: has to be perfect. You have to be very you
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: have to be really on top of it. And me
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: losing control is unacceptable, unacceptable, and I'm really good at
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: my job. So I was enraged with myself, and I
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: realized I could not show this to anyone. Of course,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: nobody knows about me and my dark secret. And I
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: didn't really connect these two things all. I just I
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: just knew that that was the same feeling. And so
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: the next morning I didn't sleep at all. Next morning,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I took hot showers, angry. I was gonna go outside.
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: I was gonna chick ass, right, And I grab a
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: coffee and I go to the sliding doors and I
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: cannot walk outside. I am inexplicably petrified of big sky.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Can't do it just And now now I am so angry,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: I am so livid at myself, unforgiving. I'm forced to
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: embarrass myself and wake up two guys who because I
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: have to go look for locations that day I can
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: go outside. I have to go with two guys. Now
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: their gun is looking at me a little side eye
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: because they I've worked. I've worked for Rhino. I've been
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: in the business for over thirty three years, but I've
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: worked for this president production company, Rhino Pictures, for thirteen.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: These people know me very very well, and they even
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: made some silly remark about, well, John, you're just you're
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: not going to listen to our opinions anyway, why are
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: you making us go? And so I somehow get through
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: the last three days of the shoot, and thanks to
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: some very strong triple distilled Irish whiskey, I make it
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: back to the coast. But when I get off the plane,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: my family and friends they know something's wrong with me.
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: It got so bad, Preston that I would get to
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: work very early and wait right beside the door in
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: my truck and wait for somebody to come so I
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: can run out and walk with him inside the building.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: I could not be alone under that sky.
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: And Okay, what you're doing, I mean, why nothing.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Think nothing, blind terror, blind terror. I'm not trying to
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: blind terror. No. No, at this point you have to
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: understand I am not. And this is what this whole
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: film is about. It's about me trying to cope with
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: this and try to figure this out.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: You know, you were in a full blown existential crisis.
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: Right, I could not. And and here's the thing, A
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: smarter person, a smarter person would have looked for help.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: I'm not a smart guy.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: Well, that has nothing to do with anything. When you're
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: in the middle of a crisis, you're boxed in, you're internalized,
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: and you can't see outside of yourself at all. You're
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: you're reeling with a playing reel, as you will, of
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: a movie that you've been playing and playing blaying your
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: entire life. And it's really hard to turn that movie
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: off when you're in crisis. So yeah, it has nothing
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: to do with fear, has nothing to do with how
• 30:54
  Speaker 3: smart you are at all. It has to do with
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: whether you're done with it or not yet. And people
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: don't realize that crisis needs you have to evolve through
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: the crisis. And when you're done with it, then you
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: start looking outward and you start evaluating.
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: So, okay, go on, so well before you do, could
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I sorry, sorry, John, but I'm curious because you know,
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: we had this experience at age seven. How did you
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: interpret that? Did you just not think about it? Did
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: you think at any point this was et related until
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, when did you start connecting the dots here.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: I knew that it was something other, but to me,
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: the category or the bucket that I put it in
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: was it was a bully. It was a bully. Wow,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: I got beat up by a bully. That was it.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: And I don't know if you've ever been picked on, Preston,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: but like I said, I was the smallest kid in
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: my class until high school, so I had ample opportunity
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: to be picked on. So it was just one of
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: those things. Now, now this fear, by the way, thank
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: you very much Dolly for your comments. You possess something
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: I do not, which is wisdom, and in that particular
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: say I had no wisdom at all. So and this
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: was compounded because I am no longer the smallest kid
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: in my class. I'm about six three and two hundred
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: and seventy pounds, so I very rarely feel uncomfortable or
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: nervous round anything, right, And for me to feel that
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: kind of unmitigated fear is intolerable, intolerable, and so I
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: was very very It started to poison everything I touched.
• 32:44
  Speaker 2: I couldn't communicate with people. I was shut down. I'm
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm usually a very outgoing guy. Because of
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: my business. I couldn't really talk. I had problems. I
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: had a lot of problems. And so the position I
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: took was when I finally said, you know, I'm sick
• 33:03
  Speaker 2: and tired of being sick and tired. Right, I said, look,
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: you were not as smart. This is where this is
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: where I was singing. I know, Dolly, you and I
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: differ on this, but this is let me just say
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: this because it'll make sense to you. I think. I said, look,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: you are nobody special, you are nothing smart. There must
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: be people with experiences like this. There must. Now I'm
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: not unlike Preston, I'm not interested at this point in
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: my story. I'm not interested at all in their experiences.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: I'd give a shit. Okay, what I'm interested is, how
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: the hell do you live your life with this? How
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: can anybody in their how can they go grocery shopping
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: and not look around like the world is asleep? Holy crap, guys,
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: do you know there's a reality here that is total
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: in conflict with what you think is reality? Okay, that's
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: where my mind was. Okay, all right, Okay. So I
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: started to read a little bit, and what I realized was,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: even though some of these accounts were interesting and frightening,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: but they lacked they lacked any kind of heart. For me,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: I needed some sort of human contact to make it
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: real to me. I had to have somebody stare me
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: in the eye and tell me. So I started at
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: that point to try to find people who had had
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: experiences and I wanted to talk to them. And that
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: led me to interviewing a few people. I mean, the
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: interviewing is what I do for a living, so I
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: would interview it and I would offer them a tape
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: of it. I said, listen, you can have this, you know.
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: And then after hearing a few of those, that kind
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: of gave me a little bit of courage, and I
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: started to talk about myself and share that with them
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: and ask them for their input. And then that led
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: me to something that I know, to you two seems
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: because of who you are, it seems completely obvious. To me.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: It was not. I could remember detail for detail everything
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: that happened, except how in the world did I get
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: switched around with that character? How is my back in
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: the hallway? What happened? We didn't dance, we didn't hug,
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: I was, you know, swinging at him. How the hell
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: did that happen. So in those groups of people that
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: I started to talk to, somebody said, listen, you should.
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: There's a way to do this, and there are people
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: who specialize in these regressions that can be very good
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: and whatever. And I have to tell you once again,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: I'm just being honest with you. I lied my entire life,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: so I tell the truth all the time. Now I
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: thought it was bullshit. I said, come on, you're gonna
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: hypnotize me. They can't. You can't get in here. There's
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: no freaking way. And then they introduced me to a woman.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: And maybe you guys know her, I don't. I didn't
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: know her. Her name is Deb's Shocked. She has a
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: global practice and she works with a lot of abductees
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: or people who say they're contact ees or this sort
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: of thing. And she's been around for decades and she
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: does quantum hypnosis. Now, once again, all of this completely
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: above my head. I don't know anything about that. I
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: don't know, and I'm thinking it's all crap. And then
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: I need her. And remember I'm about six y three.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: This woman is like an elf. She's a tiny, little
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: diminutive thing. And I am not a misogynist in any way,
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: shape or form. I grew up with five women, which
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: means I can cook and clean and so better than anybody.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: But some of the smartest ladies I know in my life.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that. It was just that I, for some
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: reason my mind said, there's no way this little, tiny
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: person is going to be able to help me with
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: something that's so big that I can't even address. I
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: can't wrap my arms around. And she looked at me
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: with this little impish smile, and she said, we'll see.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: And then she said to me, she said, look, John,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: the truth of the matter is, I'm not going to
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: do anything to you, She said, I'm going to teach
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: you how to relax. You have spent your entire life
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: building this emotional blister around you. This is how you've
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: ostracized people, keep them in arm's length so they won't
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: get too close to you, so they won't ask you
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: important questions. This is you, This is all you, and
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: so only you can get to this. And when you
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: finally relax enough, you're going to walk down that hallway
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: that you built, and you're going to unlock that door
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: that you locked, and then you're going to walk in
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: and open up that filing cabinet. Just all you're going
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: to do is observe and report. So we'd had a
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: couple of practice sessions where you know, take you back
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: to your you know, your most beautiful memory about Christmas
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: or whatever, you know, and I was completely amazed how
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: vivid the colors were, and I could recall what my
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: sisters were wearing that morning, and my mom said to me,
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: and I really built it, really built a big confidence
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: that this modality worked. And so finally I was thinking
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: we were ready to do a session, and I had
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: an idea. This is the first moment that I had
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: an idea for a film. And what it was is
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: that I have been suffering so much, and it was
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: crippling that I realized that there must be other people
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: out there who had never said a word. Much to
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: your point of the very beginning President, that this is
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: almost like a universal sort of thing. A lot of people, yeah,
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: that they had never said a word, that they had
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: lived with certain fears or phobias their entire life, that
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: they would never ever breathe, breathe a question about this.
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: And I thought, look, if I can ask these questions
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: and I can be there, Scaramuch, I can be their fool,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: I can look like an ass. I'll ask these questions,
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: I'll find out these answers, and maybe maybe they can
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: sit in the safety of their living room safety. They're
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: so fin be able to turn it off, you know,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: just like your friend President. You said, had to take
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: it and bite sizes. I said, maybe that will help
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: somebody else, because I'm starting to get confidence that I
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: was going to find some peace. And this is so desperate,
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: so desperate to find that piece. So Dabs didn't want
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: to do it. She didn't want to do it. She said, Look, kid,
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: this is not a carnival. We're not playing some damn
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: game here. You know this is We're dealing with your psyche,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: your soul, your you know, consciousness. You know this is
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: dangerous territory. We could screw this up, and I want
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: to be very very careful, especially because you have so
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: much trauma that you bent up all these years. But
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: then I described to her what I what I intended.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: And you know, if you don't know debts, let me
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: just say this. You've probably heard this term of christ consciousness.
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: You know, she's one of these people who give shirt
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: off her back for you. She's very service to others. Person.
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: She only cares about the health and welfare of other people.
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: She's just a loving, loving person, you know, one of
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: those people that you automatically want to hug. And so
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: I ap peeled to her on that level and she
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: said okay. But then then she was very very strict,
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: and I mean, nobody else could be there and everything else.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: So thank god. You know, I worked for a big company.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: You know, it's not two guys named Larry and a van.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: You know, we have all the toys. So we had
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: to set up all these remote cameras. Nobody could be
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: in the building. I had a daisy chain all these
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: batteries and everything else. And the session took over six
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: and a half hours. And at the end of that session,
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: I knew that that was an ultraman and I knew
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: that I had been taken many times, and I knew
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I had not been taken on any ship at all,
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: and I knew a lot of things. I knew what
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: those colors were, and I knew and it was I
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: had to have somebody drive me home. I was so
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: wiped out and I couldn't look at that footage. I
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: couldn't look at it for weeks, and then I could
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: well get a little bit by little bit a little
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: bit and then finally look at it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Were you taken? Seriously?
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: I was taken underground. It was a vast, vast cavern,
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: and the way the immensity was like this. I'm sure
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: that both of you have been into a stadium at
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: some point in your life. If I walked you out
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: into the middle of a stadium at you know, at midnight, dark,
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: no lights, and just left you there and there was
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: not a soul in there, that's the kind of immensity
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: that I'm talking. It was gigantic, and I could tell
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: that it was underground. I could smell and feel the
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: moisture in the air. And at the very apex of
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: the top part of this dome or whatever there was,
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: there was an opening, but it was irregular, and I
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: could see like stalagmite stalagtites, and there was there was
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: a light outside, but it wasn't directly above. It was
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: you know, kind of off one side. And so I
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: hope I answered your question. I apologize I got lost there,
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: Thank you Christmas. So at the end of that, I
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: then felt compelled to really assemble this film with the
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: entire idea of asking questions that contact ees or abductees ask,
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: you know, for example, we address screen memories, we address
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: why me, we address missions, we address why am I
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: afraid of the dark? Or why do I have these
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: uncontrollable fears? And even though I am in the film,
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: this is it's a question I'm searching. And the film
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: differs from other documentaries. And I'm sure that both of
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: you have seen a thousand of them. But I have
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: to tread. I have to tread carefully here because as
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: I as I said, I'm not a smart guy, so
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: I'm going to use the wrong words. But hear me
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: out here. I'm speaking to you from the heart. Most
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: of the people who make documentaries about UFOs, aliens or
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: something like this, they're usually really smart investigators, and for
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: the most part, they're not experiences, or maybe they became
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: experiences after they became involved in the thing, but they're
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: not filmmakers, right, So what they do is they create
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: these narratives that like are third party. So you kind
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: of see a clip and you hear Walter winshow in
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: the background, you know, back then night game, farte that
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: sort of thing. So when you leave, when you leave,
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: your brain is filled with information maybe you never knew,
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: and so you're you're educated, but you're not healed. I
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: am a filmmaker. I make TV shows and films and commercials.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: So what I did was my film is immersive. From
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: the very first frame, the viewers are inside the experience.
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: They're like, you know, in my pocket or on my shoulder,
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: and they experience this tremendous fear, this trauma. And we
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: start off. You know, one of my critics, well several
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: of my critics, a lot of people, they kind of
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: pooh pooh it because they think of it as like remedio.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: And when I try to share with them, is this,
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: I say, look, you know, as evolved as you're thinking,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: is I'm addressing the world, and the world at large
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: at large is ignorant. And I don't mean that in derogatory,
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: since I mean that is an unknowing, right. So when
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: you're ignorant, that breeds fear. Right. So I start the
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: world off where the world is, and I respect them
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: for where they were because that's where I was. And
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: then we shepherd them through that fear, accepting it as real,
• 45:58
  Speaker 2: but showing the alter point and understanding it. And as
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: we get to the other side. There's more and more
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: confidence and more and more peace to and it leads
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: to some semblance of understanding.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: In that understanding. In that understanding, is it a positive
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: understanding or just a negative?
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, no, it's not. It's not neutral, and it's not negative.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: It is a positive understanding. I start the film in
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: fear and I end it with hope. And what is that?
• 46:34
  Speaker 2: Ah well, let me say this way. Let me answer
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: your question this way. My film is called Alien Abduction Answers, right,
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: And I take a lot of guff for that. Oh
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: I'm the answer man. No, no, no, I'm looking for
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: the answers. That's the point. And so what happens is
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: that I have understood realized that your experience is different
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: than my experience is different. Some experiences are very of this,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: very very simwhere some of the we're very very different.
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: And that's there's a lot of variables there, and I've
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: come to some uh. And part of that is I
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: address that in the film as well, about trying to
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: have all the answers claiming. You know, I kind of
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: laugh a little bit about the younger people who say,
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: my truth. I'm old enough to realize you know, well, okay,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: that's an opinion that no one else shares. That's why yours. So.
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: But but what I try to which I have a
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: real empathy now for folks, because what they're doing is
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: they're grappling with things that they may not understand or
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: they understand this much of it, and they're trying to
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: translate it into words, and then they try to very clunkily,
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: you know, express to other people, and so's lost in
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: the translation.
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: So the real quick question, has it occurred to you
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: that what you're doing? And I respect it, totally respected, right, Uh,
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: have you figured yet that the journey, the journey that
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: you took, and the journey that everybody took that you've
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: interviewed and put in to your movie, every one of
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: your journeys is extremely personal and then it takes each
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: and every one of you on your own to walk
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: through it. And then I see you gathering them to
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: help each other walk through it. Is that what you
• 48:13
  Speaker 3: were trying to do.
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that that's what I was doing, because
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: this really is a true journey, because you know, some
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: documentaries they kind of had a presupposition at the end.
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: I didn't. I was like, I have no freaking out
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: idea where this is going to take me. But I
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: need to know. But that's exactly the way it ended,
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: or not ended, but completed that vision. That idea was
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: that everybody was here to help each other. That in fact,
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: it has to be not emerging but in the simulation
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: of all of this information, because the truth is within
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: there completely. So it is very necessary for Dolly to speak. That,
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: it's very necessary for Preston's speaking. It's very because we
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: have to. If you don't mind, I'll just share this
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: with you. My mind goes to a silly little example
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: I've used before. The premise is that we take the
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: three smartest people in the world. Right, so we already
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: know that the three smartest people. We throw them in
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: the dark room. We say, hey, what's in there? Somebody
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: says it's a spear, it's a whip, it's a boulder.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: What are you talking about? You turn them the light.
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: It's an elephant, right, Okay, So here, as a filmmaker,
• 49:24
  Speaker 2: I press in for nuances. So let's press in. We've
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: already determined that they're the smartest people in the world,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: so they're not giving you errant comments. They're really giving you.
• 49:33
  Speaker 2: They're perfect assertation of the facts that they have. The
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: second thing is this, they're wrapping their arms around as
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: much as of the phenomenon as they can. Okay, so
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: they're doing everything within their power to do that. Number Three,
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: they're trying to translate these images into something they understand,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: because remember they're bereft of some of their senses. It's dark,
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: and we as humans, we are bereft of some of
• 49:58
  Speaker 2: these filters the truly true process this information. And then
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: they're trying to translate that into an imperfect medium language.
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: And then they spotted out to us outside in the hallway,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: and now we have to retranslate it into something. But
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: the moral to that story is, to your point, Dolly,
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: we need that person who said it was a spear
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: and a whip and a boulder to kind of assemble
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: this truth together. This is why it is so important
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: for us to come together in unity to try to
• 50:34
  Speaker 2: really come to grips with this, because what we're dealing with,
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: even the stuff that we do understand, is a piece
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: of this and we need to understand much much much more.
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: Ask you another question, christmss.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: Have you determined on your own if there is a
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: way to you, You and each one of us, everybody
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: have an ability to wake up your mind so that
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: you can initiate a communion or a conversation. That's what
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: you came in contact with.
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's a brilliant question. I'm sorry to
• 51:14
  Speaker 2: use the elephant example again, but I have learned. I
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: have learned even though I like to eat, as you
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: can tell, even though I like to eat, you can't
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: eat the elephant in one bite. So my first film,
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: my first film about this is Alien Abduction Answers, and
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: what it is is to laying out these landmarks that
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: people can find and say, ask these questions, maybe sometimes
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: in fear. You're so frozen, that's what I was. So
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: frozen that you're like a deer in the headlights, so
• 51:46
  Speaker 2: you can't move either way. Like to your point you
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: said in that crisis, there's no logic to anything. You're
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: just falling. You're falling your phone. So I'm trying to
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: help people there. So the first film takes people from
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: ignorance to some sense of understanding. The second film, which
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: I'm working on right now, is called Alien Abduction Awakening.
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: So the idea is is that after you have some
• 52:11
  Speaker 2: kind of semblance, some sort of idea of what's going on. Well,
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: now you can make decisions. You're no longer afraid. A
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: silly example would be like this. You walk into a
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: dark room and you see a figure in the corner.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: You turn on the light. Ah, it's your jacket on
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: the chair. Okay, Well, now you don't have to be afraid.
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: You can make decisions and look, and all decisions are fair.
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: You can say, hey, I am never going to that
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: damn room again. That's a decision. You can say, Hey,
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: I'm going to hang up that jacket so this never
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: happens to me again. That's a decision. You can say, hey, listen,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: that jacket doesn't even belong here. I'm gonna put it
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: in my winter. You can make decisions, you can participate,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: and as soon as you learn that you can participate,
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: you take more and more of it. It becomes more
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: and more okay, and then you realize, oh, well, there's
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: a derivative to this, and there's a question I can
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: ask about this, and now I no longer have to
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: be afraid. One of my summary statements in the film,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: there're a couple, but one of them is this, but
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: I can look at this now through the eyes of
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: a man no longer a boy, and I do not
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: have to be afraid. But I must deal with this
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: because it is the truth, and so now I have
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: to participate it, participate with it some way, somehow, you know,
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: long answer, I apologize, I'm irish if I had whiskey.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: If I had whiskey, we'd be here trying.
• 53:38
  Speaker 3: To add something in the way you just said you
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: shining the light. Okay, that is a very good analogy,
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: algorom to what you're talking about. One of the things
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: that I was very blessed to have in my life
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: was guidance that you didn't have. And I had open
• 53:54
  Speaker 3: communication with my father, which he didn't have. One of
• 53:58
  Speaker 3: the things that he said to me, and I would
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: like to capacit to you right now, is that to
• 54:03
  Speaker 3: know all that is knowable and then proceed is the
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: greatest gift you give to yourself, because as you shine
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: the light on everything, as you look with the light,
• 54:14
  Speaker 3: your perspective changes, what you understand changes, and you start
• 54:19
  Speaker 3: to wear what you call wisdom in your psyche and
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: your ability and how you feel about things. And that's
• 54:28
  Speaker 3: how we learn period. Okay, And there's no bully in this.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: You're the only person marking your trail. You, okay, And
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: so I just wanted you to know that that what
• 54:40
  Speaker 3: you're doing actually is trying to know all that is noble,
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: and you're proceeding, and I think that's fantastic. I'm glad
• 54:47
  Speaker 3: to see you doing it because I've met many people
• 54:50
  Speaker 3: and since I started coming out and talking to people
• 54:54
  Speaker 3: that don't do that, they live in absolute, abject, unbelievable
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: fear and it it is. It is heartbreaking, literally, and
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: I'm proud of you actually, because you're doing a good job.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: You really are than you can.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: I ask you, John, what what do you feel you
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: have gained from this experience? Is this something that you
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: wish didn't happen to you? Or how has it affected you?
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: Have you gained anything from all of these experiences.
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: About your first rodeo, I'm president. Well, first of all,
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: First of all, I can walk outside now, Yes, a
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: huge thing, A huge thing. I know it sounds stupid,
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: but for me it was hard. Also a couple of things.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: I realized I'm not alone, which is a huge, huge thing.
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: I realized that this is a this is a communication
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: more than anything there is. And the reason that we
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: have these slips between that communication misunderstandings is there's a
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: myriad of reasons, but two of them is, first of all,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: are fear because that clouds everything because it's so I mean,
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: I hate to use this return, it's so alien to us.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: But the second thing is that it you know, so
• 56:28
  Speaker 2: many times you think about Earth. Okay, it's our planet.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: We're humans, right, there are cultures on our planet that
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: we have a difficult time understanding. There's certain cultures that
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: if you belt very loudly after a meal, it's considered
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: a compliment. To me, it would be reprehensible. How could
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: you possibly do that? There? I would be considered rude,
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: which doesn't make any sense to me at all. It's
• 56:48
  Speaker 2: a non sequatour. So I've understood now that I need
• 56:53
  Speaker 2: to reserve my judgment and really masticate over these things,
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: because it just could be I could just be misunderstanding things. Also,
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: I've realized that there are there is a reason for
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: these contacts, a reason for this communication, and I truly believe.
• 57:22
  Speaker 2: I truly believe in my film you'll see that I
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: have Because I'm a filmmaker, I tell things and stories
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: I apologize. But one of the things I do is
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: I say this. I said, look, you know, when people
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: talk about answers, it's our ego that kind of wants
• 57:39
  Speaker 2: to say I own this idea, I own this answer,
• 57:44
  Speaker 2: And so we really can't do that. We have to
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: be much more open minded about it. And the example
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: I give is this elon Musk. Everybody knows who the
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: guy is. He wants to go to Mars. So this
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: little story is that he gets to Mars and up
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: the door goes and out of the port somebody from Kenya,
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: somebody from Asia, somebody who's on the volleyball team from Norway, right,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: and they all come out, and there's a Martian and
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: the Martian guy comes out and he says, Okay, who's
• 58:12
  Speaker 2: the Earthlink? Everybody looks different, everybody's a different size. They
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: all are different because of their evolution and their origin
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: on the planet. And they might also have different motivations.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Maybe one is just exploration, maybe one is sight saying,
• 58:29
  Speaker 2: maybe one is conquest. Who knows. I mean, but right,
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: don't watch this. But the moral to the story is
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: that's one ship from one planet. If we accept that
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: life is prolific throughout the universe. There's no way that
• 58:43
  Speaker 2: any one person can have all that information. I'm not
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: saying that they don't own the relationship or the association
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: that they've had with the people that have contacted them,
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: of course, because I can't. I wasn't there. I didn't
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: share that. This is why you have to be very
• 58:58
  Speaker 2: very careful with the film. You're in the discernment in
• 59:01
  Speaker 2: your mind when you're listening. When you guys see the film,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: you're going to see some of the folks that I interviewed.
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: They have little similarity, but most of them are very
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: very different, extremely different. And I had to scratch my
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: head a couple of times, like, wow, what does this mean.
• 59:19
  Speaker 2: It's only through this process that I have and by
• 59:22
  Speaker 2: the way, to your point, President, I have gained this
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: sort of empathy, this sort of understanding that this is
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: a huge, huge picture. And the thing I think, you
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: know what I think, honestly that my conclusion is is
• 59:40
  Speaker 2: that the original sin of humans is really our ego.
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Think about this. Everybody who denies the phenomena, whatever the
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: reason is, is because of their ego, because they in
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: fact know better. And you guys are all wearing tinfoil
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: hats and you're idiots and I'm the smartest guy in
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: the room. Then think about this, the people who locked
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: on to that experience and then they only have the
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: one answer why because they're the only person. Come on,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: this is a universal thing that's brushing up. So there's
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: more what's in the pot, what's in the way the ego,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 2: and then take a look at this. Oh my goodness,
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: and this is the thing that breaks my damn heart
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: more than anything.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 5: You have people who have these incredible experiences and it
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 5: changes their life, and then they allow their ego to
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 5: get in the way and they start these.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: Things where only they have the answer and people have
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: to adhere to them, and you know, and they start
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: a cult or something like. Oh my god. It just
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: breaks my heart because it's like they took two steps
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: forward and eight steps back and then they hurt other
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: people by that. And that's why I say, listen, man,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: this film is not about me. It's not about me
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: at all. It's not even about the bright shiny lights
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: in the sky. It's about you and you and you
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: and you and you and us. Because let me say this,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 2: the bright shiny lights blink out, we're the only ones
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: in the left.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 1: So how does your family feel about I mean, have
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: you talked to your parents? Have they had experiences?
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: You know, you know, you're that kind of guy who
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: would see a cut and go that her? Is that her? Her? Well,
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: a couple of things, A couple of things. Both my
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 2: parents are past, God bless them. I suspect I never
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: talked to him, but I suspect my father had such
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: a visceral, vehement response that he must have had some
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: sort of brush with this thing whatever, this whatever, you know,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: other and that's why he reacted so so over the top. I,
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 2: as I said, I lied about it or obvious scated
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: about it my entire life. So you know, I do
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: stuff across the country to around the world, and my
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: family knows that. You know, I'm in the business, right,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: so you know, it's like, what are you doing? I'm
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: just you know, doing a shoot or whatever. So when
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: we got the film, we successfully negotiated for it to
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: be distributed by Virtual Films. I knew it was going
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: to be released and then I had a thought that
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: I never thought about, how is this going to affect
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: my family? But they didn't know. So I had to
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: have talk talk and well, the talk turned into several talks,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: as you can imagine, and there were a lot of
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: this at the very beginning, and then I mean, and
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: then it took some dark, dark turns. I mean, there
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 2: were there were questions about the pressure that I was
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: under and work and things like this, or his dad
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: abusing drugs or or you know, anything that would be
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: a more palatable answer than your father has been, you
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: know what I mean. So and then that was very
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: hurtful to me because I'm still recovering. I mean, I
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: still get teary eyed, because you know, I always tell people,
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: I said, look, this body is not the result of
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: one double whopper, many many many over many years, and
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: so that healing process, that coming to terms with it
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: takes some time. And I lied about it for you know,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: almost fifty years. So that occurred. I was just at
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: a wedding not too long ago, and there were people
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: that I've known my entire life who walked up right
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: here and talked past me and would not look at me,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: would not would not recognize me as being present. But
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: I will tell you this, on the other side of
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: that coin, there are people that come out of the
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: woodwork that I've known on my life. Who over one
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: of these? Hey, John, And so you know, I guess
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 2: I can't answer your question. I can't say yes, you know,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 2: but that's my answer.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, I feel like in some ways
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: I see parallels between you and me because I found
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: out you that those were real, not through personal experience,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: but from the experiences of my family. And it was
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: a huge shock and it took me quite a bit
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: to come to grips with it. And that's kind of
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: why I started writing books, because I wanted to understand
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: it certainly, and I think, you know, having had such
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: a hard time with it, and I didn't even actually
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: experience it firsthand, I can only imagine how difficult it
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: is for someone who's you know, experiencing it. So, yeah,
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: bend you for you know, going there. Yeah, my family,
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: some of them weren't happy with me and didn't know what,
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: you know, like, what are you doing? This is important?
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: You need to know this, This is actually happening. This
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: is no joke.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: Agreed, agreed, And you know what that that might be
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 2: a good segue to mention mister Whitley Strieber. I had
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 2: assembled the film and it was very emotional, very very emotional,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 2: and for me it felt right. I was just I
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: was just so damned and determined to get it all
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 2: out there. But then I realized it was almost like
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: vomiting all this emotion over somebody and they wouldn't be
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: able to take it all in. It would be overwhelming
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: that they And I also wanted to make sure, like you, Preston,
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: I wanted to make sure that people who were not
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: familiar with the phenomena that they could approach it. And
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 2: I thought, son of a gun, this is you know.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 2: So I had to separate myself from that very visceral,
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 2: you know, the effects that it was having on me,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: to you know, a proper director, proper producer, and say, look,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: this is uneven, and I need to I need to
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: make it edible. I needed to make it watchable. And
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: so I needed a counterpoint, for lack of a phrase,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: I'm clunky here, like a sage voice. And I thought
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: about it and thought about it, and remember I told
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: you at the very beginning, I started to read a
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: little bit and Whitley Streeper's voice, you know, came up,
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: just because he's been around for so long and he
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: was so prolific, and so I I didn't know him.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: Of course, I don't know anybody in the community. So
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: what I did was I asked a friend of a
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: friend and then Debs knew somebody. That shocked he knew somebody,
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: and we eventually got to and I'll tell you, I'll
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 2: tell you funny stories since you know it, Okay, The
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: first time I ever spoke to Whitley Streeper was on
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: the phone. I'm sorry, it was the Zoom and he
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: was very tough on me. And now, remember, I've met
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: with some of the biggest stars in the world. You know,
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: I'm talking about popular stars, Denzel Washington, you know, Christian Pine,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 2: you know whatever to me, the Oliphant, et cetera, Rose
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: Aerie Dawson. And usually I'm very very nice. I'm an
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: affable guy, very nice to me. But he was tough,
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: and I thought, wow, you know, I'm kind of surprised.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: I had no idea that what he was doing is
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: he was vetting me, right.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 6: Because I I the film was released in May, and
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 6: I have met some very interesting individuals, and God bless
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 6: them all because I don't know what they're dealing with,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 6: all of them, God bless them all.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: But I've met some very interesting individuals who would not
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: be completely filled with integrity. Let's just say that. Let's
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: just say that because of the background or whatever. And
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: I think what he was doing was making damn sure
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 2: that I was not some jerk, you know, or some
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: guy working out of his van, or I just wanted
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 2: to steal his time, and so he vetted me pretty harsh.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: And I have to tell you I was I was
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: such a sensitive position. I was such a damaged kid
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: that I took it personally. I thought, this guy hates
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: me so but no, but I told you, this is
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: a funny story. So I'm going to get to the
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 2: funny part right now. So here's the deal. So I
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 2: said to him, I said, mister Struber, let me send
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: you the questions up front that I would ask you.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: And if you know, take a red marker you don't
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: like anything, cross it out if it's inappropriate. Whatever. So
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: what I did was I said about I told you
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: I was a biblic file off of off air. So
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: what I did was I purchased every single book he's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: ever produced, every single one, all the fiction on the philosophy,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: all of the all of the abduction contact, everything, and
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: I read every single every single word, and I put
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: together about sixty three sixty five questions, and I mean
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 2: detailed questions, very very deep, and I sent it to him.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: He called me and he said, listen, I nobody has
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 2: ever really asked me some of these nuanced things. I okay, okay,
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: I agree to this interview. And I was very pleased.
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: And he didn't redline a single one. So I went
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 2: out to California and I thought, listen, it would probably
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: be a good idea if maybe we broke some bread
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: the night before. So we get a little bit of
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 2: a rapport because I don't know this man right, and
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: I really wanted him to not be thinking I don't
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: like this big egg headed kid, instead of oh this
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: is John. I had lunch with him yesterday, or had
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 2: dinner with him. So we did. And that's the part
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 2: that gets really funny. He was very sarcastic. He was
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: very funny, and he made fun of me the entire time.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 2: I brey laughed the entire evening. It was charming. He
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 2: was quick, he was witty. I learned a few new
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: words from him. His lexicon is much larger than mine.
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 2: So it was a blessed evening. Right, So now I'll
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: tell you something that's very heartwarming about it. So the
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: very next day, you know, I have a big team,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: lots of lights, make of people, the whole bit. And
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: he's commenting, wow, this is you know, big production. Yeah.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: And so we get ready to shoot and I lean
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 2: there's actually a picture of me on sat leaning down
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: talking to and I say, mister t Sheeber, I just
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: want to tell you something, sir. I'm very grateful that
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: you're here. I'm not going to waste your time, sir,
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to make you look perfect. The lights
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 2: are right, the sound is right, this is all. And
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of my little diatribe. But he
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: grabs my arm. That was my forum. He looks at me,
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 2: this is John. I don't give it. Damn how I look.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: I really don't care at all. I just want to
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: tell the truth. And I really gave me pause. I thought, man,
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: what what a man filled with integrity? When I grow up,
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 2: I want to be you, sir. And it's it's funny
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: to me, I mean ironic. You know. I have pretty
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 2: much regular intact with mister Streeber, you know, like every
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: four or six weeks or something. You know, just let
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 2: him know. Okay, So the film is here, this is
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: what's going on here. We've won this award here, this
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: sort of thing. And I can't call him Whitley. I
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: would never say that we're friends. He and I are friends,
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: but we're very, very friendly, of course, but I can't
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: call him Whitley. I call him mister Streeber all the time.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: And he makes fun of me. He teases the hell
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: out of me. I have to say he takes great
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: joy in that. So I love him. Yeah, I actually
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: adore the man.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: This has been great. I mean, we could talk.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 3: I have one last thing to ask you, this is
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: a big one, Yes, before we go. I want to
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 3: know in the end, as you surveil everything that you've
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: done and every thing you've thought and gone through, what
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 3: is it that you want from ets? What do you want?
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: What I want? I have to say that my premise
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: for the film was that my need to know outgrew
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: my fear. Okay, I have to say that I am
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: still in a quest for the answers. My last statement
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 2: in the film was this, I say this, and what
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 2: is it about these bright shiny lights in the sky
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: that make me want to be a better person. I
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: don't understand this perspective change. There's more I need to understand.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 2: There's more I need to learn. How do I fit
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: into this puzzle? How do I help us achieve the
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 2: next level? Where do we go from here? What are
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: the next things? I mean, this can't just be communication
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 2: because you're my neighbor. Hey, nice yard. You know that's
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 2: not what it is. There's much more to this. There's
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: a reason that we're on this path, and I want
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: to I'm desperate to know those things, but no longer
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 2: under the mantle of fear, but one of just honest,
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: honest inquisition. I want to know. I want to know,
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: and I want I want to participate.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 3: I will tell you something. I've been looking for you.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 4: A ray of hope in my life, okay, because I've
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 4: run up against so many people whose rhetoric and belief
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: systems are and their egos are right in front of them,
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 4: and they don't see the forts for the trees at all.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 3: And I have been searching and searching for and searching
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 3: for somebody who made sense of all of it. And
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: you do, sir, and thank you. I appreciate you a lot.
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: I didn't know what to expect. I didn't even John,
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: I didn't know who you were until today. No, no, no, no,
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 3: It's amazing to me. And my contact has been elbowing
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 3: me do this, do this, do this. And I'm grateful
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 3: to you, very grateful, thank you. Okay, I really appreciate it.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to send you Dollar's book actually the book.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, I would love that. I would love that.
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: I think you might enjoy it because a lot of
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: information that having interviewed so many people like you who've
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 1: had these experiences, Dolly's connected a lot of the dots
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: from me, So I think you might enjoy it.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 2: Wonderful.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I really enjoyed speaking with you, John.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: It was true blessing, blessing to me, my friend. Thank you.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: I appreciate you. I'm so excited about the success of
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 1: your film. So if you have anything else you want
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: to add, you know, you mentioned you're doing another film.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: Or this is sure.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: You want words too, that's awesome.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when the best Documentary at UFO Expo and then
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 2: the film was shown at UFO con and I got
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: a huge response, and I've been contact by so many
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: people and I'll tell you this is the thing. This
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: is the highest praise for the film, not for me,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 2: but for the film. Is that just people say, listen,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: I couldn't talk to anybody about this, and this hurt
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: me so bad. Whenever I didn't know what to do
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: with it. I didn't know where to put it. I
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: watched this film and it really helped me. And I
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: just thought, God, isn't that like God's work? You know? Really,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 2: it just is because this is not this is not
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 2: some sort of contact for you know, John Yost, no
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: mean gives a crap about me. This is a contact
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: us because we as a people have to make a decision.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: We have to make a decision not to keep looking back,
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: but to look forward, and we have to look forward together.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: This is the point. So yeah, so I yeah, I'm
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: very very blessed. The film is called Alien Abduction Answers.
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: It's on Amazon Prime and TV and Keino and Google
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: Plus and blah blah blah everywhere. It was released May
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: in North America this April fifteenth. Actually it'll be available internationally.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: So I'm very happy about that. I am. I just look,
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: I can tell you I suffer from being truthful now
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: I spend a five hundred thousand dollars making this last film,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: so when you see it, you'll see a film. It's
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: not you know, two cameras and this is a movie.
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: You'll see it. It's immersive. And I'm raising money for
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: my next film, and I don't know. I'm hoping.
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 7: Hell, I'm hoping that the material will allow me to
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 7: do that for the next one, because I think it's
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 7: really important, because I have an idea for a third
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 7: one too, which would be Alien.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 2: The second one will be Alien Abduction Awakening, which is
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 2: taking this information and saying, oh my god, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and now I'm part of it because I'll just I'll say,
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  Speaker 2: as an aside, I know I'm going along press. I apologize.
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  Speaker 2: But I thought when I closed the book on this film, right,
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  Speaker 2: I felt a sense of completion, like, you know, I
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  Speaker 2: dont with something that happened a long time ago, and
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: that's okay, and now I can just go back to
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  Speaker 2: doing sports or whatever the heck. That's incorrect. The door
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: has been cracked and different things are happening. There's a
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: lot of stuff that's happening to me. But now I'm
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: not afraid. I'm cautious. I have to be honest, but
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: I'm cautious, but I am now able to go Okay,
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: now what does this mean? How does it? What is
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  Speaker 2: this communicating to me? What am I supposed to be
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  Speaker 2: thinking about this and putting into place? That's where people
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  Speaker 2: are and the very next stage of this thing and
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 2: then the final film, not the final but like the
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  Speaker 2: kind of conclusion to this sentence is a an abduction
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  Speaker 2: ascension and the idea for that is not woo woo
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  Speaker 2: in that sense. It's this. All of my films are
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  Speaker 2: about us, people us, Okay, so we all share calmon
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  Speaker 2: themes in our lives. I don't care what religion you are.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: I don't care where you live. I don't care your
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: culture or if you like spicy food or not. Okay,
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  Speaker 2: we all crawled on our bellies. We all finally got
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  Speaker 2: up and held onto a sofa. We all toddled, we
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: all walked and fell and bumped our heads. We were
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 2: all children. This is where we are now as a race.
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  Speaker 2: We kind of these children, and we have to understand.
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  Speaker 2: And it's about time we grew up an adolesten. Adolescence
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  Speaker 2: sucks me, It sucked for you. Guys. So this is
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: what my work is about. It's about us. So that's
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  Speaker 2: the deal. I'm sorry it's too long. Again.
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  Speaker 1: That was wonderful, true pleasure. Yeah, thanks John, that was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad, glad we had this conversation. Thank you for
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  Speaker 1: your work. Thank you for both of you. God bless
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  Speaker 1: you both.
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  Speaker 5: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: Thank and anyone have anything else they want to add,
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  Speaker 1: now's the time, all right, Well, thanks guys, that was
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: really wonderful. Thanks for watching UFOs and the Paranormal. This
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: is John Yost. His film is Alien Abduction Answers. Check
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 1: it out. It's award winning, it's quite well received. And
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: this has been Dolly Saffron, who's the subject of my
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: book Symmetry, who we probably already know. And that's it
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  Speaker 1: for now. I'd like to always say, keep searching for
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  Speaker 1: the truth, keep asking questions, and most important, keep having fun.
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  Speaker 2: I know