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- 0:00Just because something is entertaining, just because
- 0:02something even as educational, doesn't necessarily mean that
- 0:06it's marketing. PSA, You should not be expecting
- 0:09consistent sales if you are not consistently marketing your
- 0:11business. Point blank, period, end of
- 0:13conversation. The main thing that I'm seeing
- 0:15is that you are actually solving for the symptom, not the source.
- 0:19What is one thing right now in your business that you are doing
- 0:22that has not moved the needle in any capacity?
- 0:24There's no evidence to say it's creating momentum.
- 0:26There's no results to show for it.
- 0:28Why would we keep paying a gardener who's killing the
- 0:30flowers? You are going to actually need
- 0:32to do less in order for you to make more.
- 0:35Hello and welcome back to Ambitious.
- 0:37Today we are diving in on what I actually would kind of at this
- 0:40point consider a segment, which is actually called an unfiltered
- 0:44episode. And that is because today this
- 0:47is not a scripted episode. This is not something that I
- 0:50have spent copious amounts of hours outlining and structuring
- 0:55and all of these pieces. And that is because these are
- 0:58actually your questions, the questions that you've submitted
- 1:02to me via socials. And if you, by the way, have
- 1:04never done that before, there's a couple different ways to do
- 1:07this. There is actually a form that
- 1:09lives on my website that if you do want to submit a question too
- 1:12ambitious, you can submit there at any moment.
- 1:14So if right now like there's a question I would love to ask
- 1:17you, I really want to make sure that I submit this because it's
- 1:19what's happening in my business right now.
- 1:21Make sure to submit that via the form that's on our website.
- 1:24Now with that though, the submissions that we have today
- 1:27and the questions going to be answering are all going to be
- 1:30business Q&A questions at the top, questions that you're
- 1:33struggling with in your business.
- 1:34These were submitted for today's episode via social.
- 1:38And I want to be really just honest about how I'm approaching
- 1:41these. These questions that I'm
- 1:43reviewing are not questions that I have, you know, dove into.
- 1:46They're not questions that I actually truthfully have seen
- 1:49before. Today I am going to be giving
- 1:51you my, as per the episode title, my unfiltered opinion as
- 1:55to what it is that I recommend for you and for your business
- 1:58given the question that you provided.
- 2:00So with all that being said, let's dive into the episode.
- 2:11Question number one, my content I find does get engagement, but
- 2:15it's not translating into sales. What do you think that I'm
- 2:18missing? So there's a lot that I could
- 2:21say about this, but I'm going to give you my instant thought that
- 2:24came to my brain. If you are finding that your
- 2:27social media is getting a lot of engagement, you're getting
- 2:30people who are saying, I love your stuff.
- 2:32This so resonates with me. This is so valuable.
- 2:35Love following you. They're kind of cheerleading for
- 2:38you. You might even find that your
- 2:40audience is a little bit less quiet, but all of your data is
- 2:43telling you that your content is being consumed and people are
- 2:46engaging with it. The thing that you want to
- 2:48remember is that just because something is entertaining, just
- 2:51because something even as educational, doesn't necessarily
- 2:55mean that it's marketing. And this is where I think a lot
- 2:58of people miss the mark. They try to post social content,
- 3:03but they don't necessarily think about the underbelly of what is
- 3:07the marketing intention? What's the gap that we're
- 3:10creating? What symptoms are we speaking to
- 3:12in this piece of content? What kind of buyer type is this
- 3:15intended for? What stage of the buying cycle
- 3:18should someone be at when they consume this piece of content?
- 3:22What is the associated action that we want somebody to take?
- 3:25The person who consumes this, are we assuming that this person
- 3:28is warm and that they are maybe, you know, someone who's just
- 3:31been actively consuming our content?
- 3:33Is this intended as a piece of content for some of the hottest
- 3:37leads in your audience? Those are questions that you
- 3:40should be able to answer when you're looking to put out a
- 3:43post. And so when we go to put out
- 3:45posts in content on social media, in anything, when it
- 3:49comes to content in general, it doesn't matter what platform, if
- 3:52it's Instagram, if it's TikTok, if it's YouTube, the social
- 3:56media content doing well can mean that it was very engaging,
- 4:00that it was maybe even entertaining or super
- 4:02educational. But if it doesn't technically
- 4:05activate something that your consumer has as a pain point
- 4:09that they're navigating a desire that they have.
- 4:12Or truthfully, if this does not create a gap, meaning that they
- 4:16come in with a certain state and by the end of this piece of
- 4:21content or marketing that they realize and they've identified
- 4:25the gap between where they are and where they want to go.
- 4:28If that's not something that's been established, you are going
- 4:30to continue to see people who constantly consume but never
- 4:34take action. And so how I want you to think
- 4:37about, you know, your content is to think about your marketing is
- 4:42actually where you should start. So the content is just the
- 4:44delivery of the marketing's job. First you want to ask yourself
- 4:50what is your marketing strategy around a week's worth of
- 4:53posting? Then you want to look at, OK,
- 4:55great. What is the way in which we want
- 4:57to deliver that via content? Now, in the best case scenario,
- 5:00we will have great marketing, which means we're going to
- 5:03create a good gap for the person who's consuming it.
- 5:05But on the contrast, if we also do this in a really creative,
- 5:09entertaining, educational way through social media, you may
- 5:12have great engagement and you can have great sales.
- 5:15Now I'll actually want to share quick story actually for this
- 5:18exact example of a client because she actually funny
- 5:21enough is a marketing agency. And when we went into
- 5:26integrating my marketing strategy and kind of what I
- 5:28recommend for her into her socials and into her platforms,
- 5:32she originally was like, Kate, all of our engagement is, is not
- 5:36what it used to be. Now remember, the reason she
- 5:38came to me is because she wanted to make more sales.
- 5:40She wanted to scale. And so I said to her, you have
- 5:42to understand that not always is the engagement and the, you
- 5:47know, vanity metrics going to match the sales.
- 5:50You kind of have to pick what is the objective that you're mainly
- 5:54focusing on? What's your primary dominant
- 5:56goal and what's your secondary? And between those, is it social
- 6:00media engagement or is it sales that you want to generate?
- 6:03And her engagement went down. Her sales skyrocketed.
- 6:09And so even for her, it broke her brain as someone who's in
- 6:12marketing because she was like, Oh my gosh, like I think I was
- 6:14just so nervous about seeing them in the negative in the
- 6:17sense of engagement, but obviously it's generating the
- 6:20outcome that we want. So then what we started to do is
- 6:23we started to realize in her entire marketing ecosystem,
- 6:26everywhere that she was posting, what we did is we started to
- 6:29realize we can have different intentions for different posts.
- 6:32You don't have to have every single thing that you produce be
- 6:35the thing that generates a sale. You also don't have to have
- 6:38every single thing that you produce be the thing that makes
- 6:41you go viral and has tons of engagement.
- 6:43So what I would recommend to you is really asking yourself those
- 6:46critical questions around the marketing clarity.
- 6:49Do you have that clarity or do you feel like that's a little
- 6:51bit foggy? And also sorting the way in
- 6:54which you're assessing what you're posting.
- 6:57Is that thing you posted designed with marketing in mind
- 7:00and sales in mind, or was it really designed to be something
- 7:03trendy, something easily consumable, something that's
- 7:06really made for the masses, something that's just
- 7:08entertainment? If so, need to always keep in
- 7:12mind what was the objective and did it meet that objective, not
- 7:15the 18 that we would love for a single post to do.
- 7:18OK. And that's the last thing I'll
- 7:19leave with. Remember that you don't need one
- 7:22post to do everything. You have multiple chances at
- 7:25bat, which means that the more that you post, the more that you
- 7:28create, the more opportunities you have to test different
- 7:31things, to have different goals, different objectives.
- 7:34And honestly, don't have so much pressure on one single post or
- 7:37one single thing. You produce crushing all the
- 7:40goals that you have at one time. Next question is, I feel like
- 7:43I've outgrown my messaging, but I'm scared to reposition and
- 7:47confuse people. How do you evolve without losing
- 7:50momentum? So this is actually something
- 7:52that a lot of business owners that I talked to experience
- 7:55because they will have an ideal client that they want to be
- 7:59working with maybe at the beginning when they started
- 8:01their business. And then over time as things
- 8:03progress, they progress maybe in their skill set or they progress
- 8:07in their business and who they want to work with.
- 8:09You desire to speak to maybe a different problem entirely.
- 8:12So like maybe let's just say, you know, I was a fitness coach
- 8:15and now I'm a business coach. Totally different category,
- 8:17right? So we're switching and sense of
- 8:19avatar, but you also can stay in the same genre or the same niche
- 8:24of business and you can also switch your avatar.
- 8:26So like for myself, I mainly talk about all of the things
- 8:29that scaling entrepreneurs are navigating.
- 8:31Whereas, you know, I used to speak to both beginners as well
- 8:35as scaling entrepreneurs. And so I basically decided this
- 8:38exact thing to put all of my messaging into one specific
- 8:43person, one problem, and specifically the stage of the
- 8:47problem that they were experiencing.
- 8:49So to your question, you know, I'm scared to reposition myself
- 8:52because I don't want to confuse people, but I feel like I've
- 8:55kind of outgrown my existing market.
- 8:57One of the things I was literally saying to a client
- 8:59today, because she's going through this too, and she's, I
- 9:01would say outgrown her market. Her skill sets have developed,
- 9:05her knowledge is extensive. And she was like, I feel like
- 9:07I'm capping myself by staying, you know, supporting this
- 9:11specific niche of person. And So what I said to her is
- 9:14listen, if you want to RIP the Band-Aid, meaning if you want to
- 9:16just overnight, you know, create a new profile or even on your
- 9:20existing profile, just create all new messaging and go hard at
- 9:23it, you absolutely can. I'm going to forewarn you
- 9:26though, that just because you've made this quick switch does not
- 9:30mean that your audience has made this quick switch.
- 9:32So what I would ask is if you are somebody who wants to make
- 9:37this shift, ask yourself why you're doing this?
- 9:40Is this because you feel like if I make this shift to a different
- 9:43person, those people have money so they're going to pay me.
- 9:46Is this like, you know, maybe your kind of intention to help
- 9:50you with something sales wise that you're experiencing?
- 9:52Is this actually because you're like long term?
- 9:54I really want to work with that ideal client, Whatever the
- 9:57answer may be is going to help me to understand if this is
- 10:01something really urgent short term or long term.
- 10:03I ideally I'd love your answer to be long term, meaning in the
- 10:06next 6 to 12 months if I could get you business service and
- 10:11sales from that ideal client that you want to be working
- 10:15with, would that be OK with you? Would you define that as
- 10:17success? And if that's something that you
- 10:20feel comfortable with, then what I typically look to to note is,
- 10:25OK, great. Then we don't need to rush this
- 10:27Because if you jump from 1 messaging to a whole other type
- 10:32of person messaging wise, your audience is not going to catch
- 10:35up instantly. Which means you may see this dip
- 10:37in the sense of applications, DMS, sales, you know, intake
- 10:41forms, whatever your process is. And so unless you're somebody
- 10:46that for whatever reason needs this to happen overnight, I am
- 10:49more of the thought process that we want to try to trickle in the
- 10:53messaging. So for myself, I'll use myself
- 10:55as a case study. I used to, as I said, speak to
- 10:57beginners as well as scaling entrepreneurs.
- 11:00I really wanted to work with scaling entrepreneurs.
- 11:02I had years in my business. I had scaled at that point to
- 11:04seven figures. I knew that that's the person I
- 11:07really wanted to work with, but I also felt like I didn't want
- 11:11to leave beginners behind. And so I thought, how do I speak
- 11:14to this person while speaking to this person?
- 11:16So what I did is I actually had initially this time where I
- 11:18spoke to both. And let's just say, if we think
- 11:20about a marketing schedule of like 5 pieces of marketing a
- 11:24week, OK, So Monday to Friday, I would take originally half of
- 11:27those for beginners and half of those for scaling.
- 11:30Then it became 60% of those were for scaling, then it became 70%,
- 11:34then it became 80%, and then it became 100%.
- 11:38And basically what I was looking to do when I was making this
- 11:41slow transition into messaging is I also was looking to
- 11:44validate my shift. I was looking to validate the
- 11:47market. And what I mean by that is I
- 11:50said this to a client today, you know, she was saying this is the
- 11:52person I really want to work with.
- 11:54And I said, listen, I get that. But do do you have that market?
- 11:57Because if you don't have that market, meaning if I go into the
- 12:01people who are part of your brand today, your followers,
- 12:03your audience on any given platform, what percentage of the
- 12:07people that you're working with are the type of person that you
- 12:10actually want to be working with versus the person that you're
- 12:12working with right now? And that's a critical question
- 12:16because if you tell me it's 2% are the actual kind of people
- 12:19you want to be working with, then that tells me we need to be
- 12:22very intentional about how we make the shift.
- 12:25Now in the contrast for myself, I already knew that I had at
- 12:28least 50% of my audience that already were scaling
- 12:31entrepreneurs because they had watched me scale my business.
- 12:34So I knew that I basically already had a 5050 and I still
- 12:38did it incrementally. But if you're somebody who
- 12:41already knows that you have say 50% ish or more of your
- 12:45audience, is that ideal client? You just kind of haven't taken
- 12:48the leap yet. That's very different than
- 12:51feeling like you're going in to speak to a new person.
- 12:54Oh yeah, by the way, a new person that I don't have any
- 12:56access to and that doesn't know I exist.
- 12:59So my recommendation to you of how you do that shift is step
- 13:03one. Get a really detailed crystal
- 13:06clarity of like person A, person B, and what is the true
- 13:10difference and contrast between what they're experiencing in the
- 13:13day-to-day symptoms, the source of their problems, the things
- 13:17they need support with, the outcomes that they desire.
- 13:19Really get specific contrast, almost like on a spreadsheet
- 13:23like person A, person B. And you need to make sure that
- 13:27in that your messaging is different enough because the
- 13:31other thing that I see as well is some people don't have enough
- 13:35contrast in the messaging between person A and person B.
- 13:38And because of that, you kind of feel like you're switching
- 13:41talking to a different person, but it sounds almost the same.
- 13:44And as a result, you keep attracting the people you don't
- 13:46want to work with. So my recommendation is pick the
- 13:49timeline of your shift to get clarity of exactly what the
- 13:53difference is between the messaging and then again,
- 13:55validate the market. The thing you want to remember
- 13:58is you're looking to make this shift, but you're your marketing
- 14:00and your brand needs to catch up.
- 14:02And so we need to 1st gauge by putting out this marketing of
- 14:05the person you want to work with and that new stage potentially
- 14:08or that new problem. You want to be able to see how
- 14:10many people do I have in this? And if you have more, you can do
- 14:13this faster. If you have less, you typically
- 14:16are going to want to do it slower.
- 14:17And that's because truthfully, if you're talking to an audience
- 14:20that you don't have, it really is almost the equivalent of
- 14:23starting your business from scratch.
- 14:25Because if I decide tomorrow that I'm speaking to kids who
- 14:28want to learn trampoline, you know, I probably have some moms
- 14:33in my audience. I probably have some of them who
- 14:35have kids who might love a trampoline experience.
- 14:38But the reality is that's not a good majority of my audience.
- 14:40So it's basically like me starting from scratch if it's
- 14:43that big of a contrast. So again, there's a lot to dive
- 14:46into here, but that gives you something to chew on before you
- 14:49start taking action of ripping the Band-Aid.
- 14:51And this is my new market. And that's it.
- 14:54OK. How do you attract premium
- 14:55buyers instead of price sensitive leads?
- 15:00OK, here's what I'm going to say.
- 15:04There is no such thing as a premium buyer.
- 15:09I would rephrase it as there is such a thing as a premium
- 15:13problem. OK, buyers are buyers.
- 15:18There's not like a person who goes in to the same store and
- 15:24one person is willing to buy and one person is not willing to
- 15:27buy. I would argue that there are
- 15:31premium problems that people need solved and there are non
- 15:36premium problems that people need solved.
- 15:38And so as a result, when you solve a very big premium
- 15:42problem, you're going to call in somebody who actively
- 15:46understands and values and invests in that problem, OK.
- 15:52On the contrast, in the same market, you can also have people
- 15:57that want to solve a problem, but they are not necessarily
- 16:00looking to invest in a premium level, OK?
- 16:03So the problem, the level of problem you solve is directly
- 16:06correlated to the level of buyer that you will attract.
- 16:08I'm going to give you an example.
- 16:11Right now I am working with a dog trainer, OK?
- 16:15And when I work with a dog trainer, she basically comes to
- 16:19my house, she comes, she takes the dogs, she goes and trains
- 16:22them. Some of it's with me, but a lot
- 16:24of it is kind of run and she takes it and does it on her own.
- 16:27OK, so that's premium problem and that's because I'm going to
- 16:32be honest, I'm really, really strapped for time because I've
- 16:34got a lot going on right now. And with that I really need the
- 16:37dogs trained. So because of that, I basically
- 16:40have a level of problem and support that I need, which means
- 16:43I'm willing to invest at A, at a higher level Then if someone
- 16:47said, hey, I need you to train your dogs every day and do XYZ,
- 16:52right? So that's what's considered the
- 16:54less premium problem, which is if someone says, hey, do you
- 16:58want to learn how to train your dog?
- 17:00Do you want to come to a group class and learn how to train
- 17:03your dog? That's a different level of
- 17:05problem. The person who says, hey, I can
- 17:08get your dog trained for you within, you know, 12 weeks of
- 17:13meeting your animal, OK. And I don't have to be involved.
- 17:17Premium problem, premium service, lower level problem,
- 17:21lower level buyer. And that's because the lower
- 17:24level isn't like there's like high people and low people.
- 17:29I hate when people say premium buyers because it associates
- 17:33that there's like high level people and low level people.
- 17:37The reality is there's just big problems and small problems.
- 17:40One of the things that I can't remember exactly who said this,
- 17:43but they said if you always want to have a successful business,
- 17:45make sure that you solve a problem that people who value
- 17:51that, who have the ability and the resources to invest into it
- 17:54want to solve. So the thing you want to keep in
- 17:58mind is there's not premium buyers, first of all, there's
- 18:01just a different level of problems.
- 18:03So how do we attract those people?
- 18:05Number one, get clear on the actual problem that you're right
- 18:09now solving. If your problem that you're
- 18:12solving is considered a low level problem, you will always
- 18:15attract low level buyers. And that's because the problem's
- 18:18low. So they're coming in wanting to
- 18:20invest low because the thing that it's doing for them is not
- 18:24solving a big enough problem. Whereas on the contract, if we
- 18:27can switch your messaging around your offer, and this is the key,
- 18:30I don't need you to change your offer.
- 18:33I don't need you to change a lot about what it is you're actually
- 18:36doing. I need you to change your
- 18:38positioning. OK, So this is where people get
- 18:40really, I would say, astray. And that's because they believe,
- 18:44OK, like what's the new offer I need to create?
- 18:46What should I, you know, develop about the offer?
- 18:48Truthfully, a lot of the time when we help people with this,
- 18:51we're not changing the offer, We're changing the positioning
- 18:55of the offer, which means when someone views this or when they
- 18:58experience this, where do they see it on the spectrum of
- 19:03premium or low? And So what I would recommend is
- 19:07getting very clear on the promise and the problem that
- 19:10you're noted to solve. And also once you do that, you
- 19:14then need to go back to what are the specific ways that somebody
- 19:18experiences that problem or that someone wants to experience that
- 19:22end transformation? Because if you are not crystal
- 19:25clear on those, the way you speak in marketing, the things
- 19:29that you talk about, the things that you integrate, the, the,
- 19:32the experiences that you note that they're going through.
- 19:35Basically, if I could put it candidly, how seen someone feels
- 19:38in your marketing and like, Oh my gosh, that person gets us.
- 19:42If someone who's a premium buyer feels acknowledged and like for
- 19:46example, for myself with the dog training, I felt acknowledged of
- 19:49like I don't have time to spend, you know, 2-3 hours a day
- 19:54training my two dogs. Like I just it's not something
- 19:56that I have in this season of my life.
- 19:58So the this individual acknowledged that was like, hey,
- 20:01yeah, no problem. This is exactly why we can help
- 20:03you with ABC SO. What we want to look at is first
- 20:08again, problem and promise to clarity of exactly how does that
- 20:12show up in that person's life that you want to be attracting.
- 20:15And here's the most important part, your marketing's job is to
- 20:20bring them in. But the way that you sell
- 20:23somebody and most importantly the actual delivery you provide
- 20:27is just as important as the forward facing marketing.
- 20:30And that is because if we go in to any business, it doesn't
- 20:34matter what it is and we are expecting a premium service, a
- 20:38premium, you know, sale of investing into something, a
- 20:42premium experience of the delivery.
- 20:44And we don't get that. We are going to tell everyone
- 20:46that we know that it looks one way, but it is not that way
- 20:50inside. And so something that I see with
- 20:52a lot of people who desire to market to people or sell to
- 20:55people who are premium is that they think that the marketing
- 21:00and and just what they put out on social and looking luxury is
- 21:03enough. No, the, the thing that is
- 21:04actually the most influential of whether you'll actually be seen
- 21:08as a premium service, as a premium offer is going to come
- 21:12down to what is the congruency and consistency from the moment
- 21:16someone finds you to the moment that they're done your service.
- 21:19And if that is not consistent and congruent, you will have
- 21:21everybody telling anyone else they know that what you're
- 21:25offering is not actually premium.
- 21:27It's just basically fancy wrapping paper on a really
- 21:29crappy product. So that's also something to keep
- 21:32in mind if you're wanting to tap into those premium buyers.
- 21:36OK, if sales are inconsistent month to month, where do you
- 21:39look first? Well, first place I'm going to
- 21:41honestly look is the marketing, which is to say how consistent
- 21:45is the marketing? You'd be shocked how many people
- 21:47that I talk to that I will say, OK, great.
- 21:49Yeah, you want to have more consistent sales.
- 21:51Tell me about how consistent you are in your marketing.
- 21:54And they'll be like, well, that is you know, I'm really, I know
- 22:00I need to be better and I'm like, OK, so that's where we
- 22:02have to start. We should not and this I'm just
- 22:05going to put it as APSA, you should not be expecting
- 22:07consistent sales if you are not consistently marketing your
- 22:10business point blank period, end of conversation, if you are not
- 22:13marketing, do not expect consistent sales.
- 22:16Now I want to be very clear, there are businesses that have
- 22:19referral based business, which means that they can get
- 22:22consistent referrals. But even those, while they're
- 22:24great, are not necessarily predictable and they're not
- 22:27controllable. They still at any moment could
- 22:29stop or could stall. So you want to ask yourself, am
- 22:33I consistently marketing? That's one thing that I look at.
- 22:36The second thing is, if you are consistently marketing, how
- 22:39often would you say that you're actually inviting your audience
- 22:43to work with you? Meaning, how often are you
- 22:46actually asking for the sale? And I asked this because I see a
- 22:50lot of people who will add value.
- 22:52They will like show up, they'll, you know, teach, they'll kind of
- 22:56inspire. They'll post some personal
- 22:57content. They're posting things.
- 22:59And I can see that you're active, but I don't know
- 23:02anything here about your offer. I'm not seeing you market the
- 23:04transformation. I'm not seeing you invite me to
- 23:07work with you. I don't even know the name of
- 23:08your offer. So if I can't find that
- 23:11information or if I feel like I'm not seeing that, it means
- 23:14that you're probably being consistent, but you're not
- 23:16actually inviting people to work with you, you, which is crucial
- 23:20if you are somebody that wants consistent sales.
- 23:22Now, the other thing that I would also note is consistent
- 23:26sales typically insinuates conversion.
- 23:29So the other thing that I would also look at is how many
- 23:31opportunities for a sale are you getting versus how many sales
- 23:34meaning conversions are you getting?
- 23:36Because this is also something where people get really
- 23:38bottlenecked. So I have two different
- 23:40situations of recent clients. When they came to me, one person
- 23:43had lots of applications, but the people on the application
- 23:46wouldn't book a call or they'd book a call at all.
- 23:48They wouldn't show, or if they did show, they didn't close.
- 23:51So like the application process itself was feeling for her, a
- 23:54little bit clunky. Things weren't flowing easily.
- 23:58On the contrast, I had another client, totally different
- 24:00business, who had DMS as their main way of selling.
- 24:03And what we found was that this person was getting lots of
- 24:08interest, a lot of people messaging her, you know, this
- 24:10keyword or that keyword, which is great, that's what we want.
- 24:13But when they would message her, they get stalled.
- 24:17They'd get stalled in the DMS, they would just get stuck there
- 24:21and they wouldn't end up buying. And so it wasn't a matter of her
- 24:24needing more leads. It wasn't matter for the other
- 24:26person of needing more leads. There was a disconnect for both
- 24:29of them, but in different ways within their sales process.
- 24:33And So what we actually need to fix to generate more sales was
- 24:37not necessarily more marketing. It wasn't to generate more
- 24:40leads. It was to make sure that the
- 24:42people who were inquiring, the people who were reaching out
- 24:46actually were buying to actually get them over the finish line,
- 24:50to get their investment in, to get the contract signed, to get
- 24:53the payment secured. We actually need to make sure
- 24:55these people are getting over the finish line.
- 24:57And so when we think about, you know, adjusting our sales, we
- 25:01want to really make sure that we're auditing where
- 25:04specifically in the people finding us to booking or
- 25:08inquiring to actually, you know, investing.
- 25:10Where in that are people getting stuck or where is your biggest
- 25:13bottleneck? Because most of us just see
- 25:16we're lacking money in our bank account.
- 25:17I need to fix that. But not enough people sit and
- 25:21actually breakdown what that pipeline is made of.
- 25:24So I want you to almost think about it like, like a chain, OK?
- 25:27Like literally in your mind, picture a chain right now.
- 25:29And each, you know, a chain is a series of little links
- 25:33connected. Your marketing and sales
- 25:35ecosystem is just like that. There's a bunch of different
- 25:38little links. So there's like, OK, great
- 25:41social, there's the people that follow that engage, there's the
- 25:44people that you know, go to the application versus messages in
- 25:47the DMS. There's all these different
- 25:49moving pieces. So we have to be able to isolate
- 25:51the issue because something that I always tell people and I tell
- 25:55clients, I tell people who are wanting to work with me, I say
- 25:58the main thing that I'm seeing is that you are actually solving
- 26:03for the symptom, not the source. So the example I'd give to you
- 26:07is if you're symptom, you're feeling it's like I need more
- 26:12sales, I need more sales. And listen, all of us have been
- 26:14there. We all want more sales.
- 26:15I feel like there's not a single business really right now that
- 26:17doesn't want more sales. If the symptom is like, I need
- 26:21more sales, If you look at the wrong thing, you're going to
- 26:24solve for the wrong source, right?
- 26:26So you're going to your belief might be like, Oh my gosh, we
- 26:28need more leads. We need more leads.
- 26:30But then I come in and I'm like, well, wait a second, You had 100
- 26:34people that wanted to work with you and out of 100, 10 signed.
- 26:38You don't need more leads. Because if I do that, guess
- 26:40what? You'll have 200 people inquire
- 26:42and only 20 people sign. What we need to fix is the sales
- 26:45process. So the thing you want to be
- 26:47really, really clear on in your business at any given moment
- 26:51when you're looking to solve a problem is do I really feel like
- 26:54what level of confidence? One to 10?
- 26:57How confident are you that you actually know the true source of
- 27:01why X problem is happening? OK, so if you're feeling some
- 27:05resistance like people are having objections or people
- 27:08aren't buying, or I feel like people aren't renewing, you
- 27:12really want to ask yourself before you take any action, do I
- 27:15confidently know the source of why this is happening?
- 27:17What level of confidence do you have in that?
- 27:20If you're not quite confident, let's just say you're not a 10,
- 27:25then that tells me we don't want to integrate any new strategy
- 27:28because you without actually knowing what the sources could
- 27:31make it worse, not better. So that's basically what I would
- 27:34say to the aspect of if sales are not consistent, what should
- 27:37I do? Now this is kind of an
- 27:39interesting follow up question to that, which is a great segue.
- 27:42How do I know if it's a lead quality issue that I have or a
- 27:45sales issue? Because leads are not great.
- 27:49OK, How do I know if it's a lead quality issue or a sales skill?
- 27:54Oh, sorry, sales skill issue. Because yes, leads aren't great.
- 27:57Oh, OK. And some's not closing.
- 27:59OK, So if you're getting on the phone or you're in the DMS with
- 28:02someone and they're not buying and you're asking yourself, OK,
- 28:05is that the lead or is it me? Simple question to really
- 28:09isolate this. This is a very quick one.
- 28:11The person that you're talking to, do they have the specific
- 28:15problem that you solve? OK, If you're like yes, they do.
- 28:18OK, great. Two, does this person want the
- 28:22promise or the transformation that it is that you provide?
- 28:26If you say yes, OK, great. Is this person the avatar of
- 28:30somebody that you want to work with?
- 28:32Are they the specific individual ideal client that you're looking
- 28:35to support? Yes.
- 28:36OK, great. Well then that tells me they are
- 28:39qualified that means that I'm going to give you an example of
- 28:42this. So obviously I help businesses
- 28:44so their problem they're they're struggling to scale their
- 28:46business they don't have leads they're struggling to close
- 28:49consistently and they don't know how to deliver to lots of people
- 28:52without burning out OK, great yes, I do that to the promise.
- 28:55They really want to go from six figures to seven figures.
- 28:58Well, yes, I do that. So technically, by all intents
- 29:00and purposes, this person is somebody that I can help.
- 29:03Avatar, they are an e-commerce business that sells candles.
- 29:09Not not a good fit. So what it means is I asked
- 29:14myself those three basically filtering questions.
- 29:17And the only other thing, which is not a very tactical thing
- 29:20when it comes to sales, but it is something that I will say
- 29:23after time in business, I've really grown to appreciate is
- 29:27how I might say like personality slash values, which basically
- 29:30means that, you know, someone can hit all the boxes of what
- 29:33you technically do, but they may have a, an aura, a vibe, an
- 29:38essence about them that you're like, I don't know if this is my
- 29:41person, right? So I think about this like
- 29:43dating, you can be like, OK, what's your type?
- 29:46I want to, you know, this is a very stereotypical, but like a
- 29:49six 5 or 6 foot 65 is very large.
- 29:52So like 6 very tall, 6 feet guy who is brown hair and blue eyes.
- 29:58OK, great. This is your guy.
- 30:00He's got all those qualities. Great, you've won the jackpot.
- 30:04However, he has a weird quirk that you are like, oh, I don't
- 30:12know if I'm into that or he has a weird interest or he has, you
- 30:16know, something that he's like really aggressively into
- 30:19politically that you don't align with right?
- 30:22There are definitely things with leads that are going to hit
- 30:26certain boxes. The rest I would say is values
- 30:28and personality, which are typically going to get a vibe of
- 30:31in the sales process of if you're a good fit.
- 30:34Now there's the logistical qualifiers.
- 30:36Are those three questions the vibe part?
- 30:39What I would say is the way to overcome that if you are getting
- 30:42people that are technically looking to do what you do, but
- 30:45they're not quite the kind of people you want to be working
- 30:47with, meaning their vibes off, If I'm going to be honest and
- 30:50just super direct with you, that's actually a result of you
- 30:53and the way that you're showing up as a brand.
- 30:55So, you know, to be honest, I had an era of my business where
- 30:59I was kind of like, I hate this terminology.
- 31:02So don't use this against me, but I, I was in my I was in my
- 31:06boss babe era a little bit. OK, I don't love that term, but
- 31:10I was in this, you know, season of just like, really like hustle
- 31:16and grind and just like more and like so many Blazers.
- 31:20Oh my God, so many Blazers. Like just really intense.
- 31:24And you know what's shocking, but also not shocking at that
- 31:28time, I really brought in a ton of people who were very intense,
- 31:32like in the sense of like their energy and the the persona, the
- 31:36values were also very intense. So the thing that I recognize is
- 31:39like, they again had the problem they were looking to solve the
- 31:44thing that I could solve. And they were somebody that
- 31:47technically was the ideal client I served.
- 31:49But the last piece was do they have the values and the
- 31:52personality or the, you know, the vibe of the kind of person I
- 31:54want to work with? And for a while I didn't filter
- 31:57that, but I will tell you it is something that since, you know,
- 32:01the last couple years, I have really spent more intention
- 32:03being like, is this person like a good human?
- 32:05Is this someone I feel like I could have dinner with?
- 32:07Because otherwise I don't really know what I want to do business
- 32:09with you. And so that's also something
- 32:10that I've been really considering in filtering.
- 32:13So to that I would say lead quality issue.
- 32:17That's what I would audit to the piece of sales skill.
- 32:21If all those things are happening and you're not
- 32:22closing, it is 100% of sales skill issue.
- 32:25OK, so if all those things are a yes and you're like, Yep, that's
- 32:27what I do. They're my people then.
- 32:30If they're not buying it is 100% a sales skill issue.
- 32:33OK I am feeling captain scaling and I'm wondering if I should
- 32:37delegate sales. At what point should a founder
- 32:39stop doing their own sales? I would honestly say it kind of
- 32:44depends on your business because it depends on the volume of
- 32:47sales that you're having. So if you're getting on, for
- 32:49example, like tons and tons and tons of calls and you're feeling
- 32:52like I literally don't have time on my calendar to do all these
- 32:54calls, then yeah, you probably would need to do one of two
- 32:58things. Build a system so, you know,
- 33:01stop doing your own sales doesn't also necessarily mean
- 33:03that you have to delegate to someone.
- 33:05So like if you're doing calls, it doesn't mean you have to do
- 33:09the next step of hiring a high ticket phone closer.
- 33:12You also could shift to DM selling and drastically reduce
- 33:15the amount of time or the amount of hours and selling.
- 33:18So to the question which is like when should you stop doing
- 33:21sales? I think truthfully, when it
- 33:25really is like the last piece in the business that you haven't
- 33:29delegated because I believe that, you know, delivery is one
- 33:34of the first things that every business should delegate or what
- 33:36technically, I would say admin is one of the first things that
- 33:38every business should delegate. Admin and OPS, like I'm going to
- 33:42tell you right now, unless your brain is like this beautiful
- 33:46mind of like systems and structure, organization, unless
- 33:49that's like really your skill set, I really highly recommend
- 33:53admin and OPS because the things that the incredible Kelsey
- 33:57Dearborn have built inside my business, I could if she had
- 34:00left me until now to figure those out, I couldn't have.
- 34:03And that's because that's her genius.
- 34:04It's not mine. So I really think bringing in
- 34:07the right people for admin and OPS is a game changer. 2 I would
- 34:11say the second piece that I would outsource would be
- 34:14delivery or marketing. Whatever is more constraining to
- 34:16you, I probably would recommend it be delivery because I do
- 34:20think that marketing still is something that a lot of founders
- 34:23know best themselves. So then I would do marketing and
- 34:26then I would do sales because again, I'd be more in line with
- 34:30you systematizing sales, automating some parts of sales,
- 34:33streamlining the process stream of simplifying it before giving
- 34:37it to a person. And that's because truthfully,
- 34:40for most people, no one is going to sell your product or your
- 34:42service better than you are. OK, next question.
- 34:45Is it smarter to scale one offer or to build multiple?
- 34:48If I'm going to give you my short answer 11 offer because I
- 34:54think you like, again, classic quote that you guys have heard
- 34:56me share, which I actually got from my coaches, is that you
- 34:59have to earn the right to complicate your business.
- 35:00And I really resonate with that because I think even myself,
- 35:04I've been guilty of this where I kind of just like want to do all
- 35:07the things. And often times when you go back
- 35:10to the evidence, when you go back to the data, you very
- 35:13quickly realize that even though you added all that stuff, it's
- 35:15not actually something that moves the needle in the
- 35:17business. It's not actually something that
- 35:20was the catalyst for your growth.
- 35:22And even for myself, when I was reviewing my own business, I've
- 35:24done a lot of stuff. I've done, you know, dinners,
- 35:27I've done retreats. We always have our mastermind.
- 35:29I do private coaching, I've done VIP days, I've done intensives,
- 35:32I've done master classes. I've done all the stuff.
- 35:34And the thing that I would say has always moved the needle are
- 35:39literally 2 offers like, and the shocking part is that the same 2
- 35:43offers I started with in year 1. And so I would say like, you
- 35:48know, the retreats for us, we're not this massive needle mover.
- 35:51When I look back at the data now, the dinners, I love them,
- 35:54don't get me wrong, like I love them.
- 35:56I found them to be such a good time, but they're not something
- 35:59that I would say is like a groundbreaking needle mover for
- 36:01the business. I just really like doing them,
- 36:03you know? But our mastermind accelerator
- 36:05has been around forever and it's something that I really will say
- 36:09is, you know, a product, a program, a service that I love
- 36:14and that our clients love. And in addition to that is
- 36:17private coaching. I have never, I've basically
- 36:20never promote my private because it's always booked.
- 36:22And that's because these are two services, two ways of coaching
- 36:25with us that are always in demand.
- 36:27And so I think a lot of people overestimate what is needed and
- 36:32even take this out of, you know, my coaching business, OK.
- 36:35An example of a product would be Scrub Daddy, right?
- 36:38Scrub Daddy had this little :) scrubby thing.
- 36:41And that's a, that's a signature, what they consider to
- 36:44be a hero product. It's something that is literally
- 36:46their singular product that they're known for.
- 36:48And at that point, once that was super successful, then they went
- 36:51wider. And that's also what I did.
- 36:53I used to only have private and accelerator and then I went
- 36:57wider. And now that after I've gone
- 36:58wider, I'm going back because I just recognized that's where all
- 37:02of our momentum has come from. Another example would be
- 37:05Coca-Cola. Perfect example like traditional
- 37:09can of red Coca-Cola like that is a product that was the
- 37:14signature product for a very, very long time.
- 37:17They waited a while before bringing out, you know, Diet
- 37:20Coke and caffeine free Coke and then Coke Zero and then Cherry
- 37:24Coke and you know, Vanilla Coke and all this stuff.
- 37:27That was when they expanded their product line, but they
- 37:29first really spent a good amount of time in verifying their
- 37:33product and most importantly verifying their brand.
- 37:36One of the things that I think is kind of a, you know, it's
- 37:41unfortunate is that brands try to go so wide so fast that you
- 37:46don't necessarily know what you're what you're known for.
- 37:50Like, I don't really know which offer is like your signature
- 37:52offer because you just have so freaking money.
- 37:54So I would also say to the question of, you know, to scale,
- 37:58is it about 1 core offer or building multiple offers?
- 38:00I would definitely say 1. And I want to share something
- 38:03that was shared with me recently, which would actually
- 38:05be sharing on another episode with you in depth.
- 38:08It's called the five ones. This is something that was
- 38:10shared with me from I give credit always where it is due
- 38:13talking more as well as he referenced it, I believe his
- 38:17name was Clay Collins who came up with this originally.
- 38:19And so talking more shared with me originally created by Clay
- 38:22Collins. And it was basically the
- 38:24structure of the five ones and the five ones basically meaning,
- 38:28you know, one target audience, you know, one offer, one
- 38:31marketing channel 1 sales process for one year.
- 38:34And this really fits into that model.
- 38:37They believe that you do that all the way to a year to get to
- 38:39$1,000,000, that you don't need to have so much complexity.
- 38:43And, you know, when we were chatting about this, it made me
- 38:47realize, it made me reflect on my own business of really where
- 38:50those ones have been actually the most influential part of our
- 38:54business. And so for you, when we think
- 38:57about, you know, doing more, ask yourself, you know, why do you
- 39:00need multiple offers? Why do you need more stuff?
- 39:02And if you're doing it for fun, go ahead.
- 39:05Like I did for the dinners. Like I knew the dinners were not
- 39:07a money maker. I knew that my retreats were not
- 39:11in the way that I wanted to run them.
- 39:12Going to be this like massive, you know, multiple 6 figure
- 39:15revenue stream. That wasn't really the point of
- 39:17doing it. But when I thought about, OK,
- 39:19going into the business this year from a financial goal
- 39:21perspective, how do we want to achieve that?
- 39:24I recognize it's actually quite simple.
- 39:25It's literally one offer, like Max 2 offers.
- 39:29And so I really believe simplicity scales.
- 39:32I think if you can keep it simple in sense of financial,
- 39:35it's really not going to take much more than one offer.
- 39:37So in my opinion, I'd say stick to 1.
- 39:40All right, I'm booked out, but delivery feels really heavy and
- 39:43dependent on me. What does that signal?
- 39:46OK, well, if you're booked out, that's great.
- 39:48As long as, again, these are ideal clients you want to work
- 39:50with. They're paying the rates that
- 39:51you want to charge. They're not like people who are
- 39:53on rates from like five years ago that you're keeping.
- 39:55Then that's good. Here's the thing.
- 39:58Delivery feels heavy and dependent on me.
- 40:00What? What is that signal?
- 40:02What does that mean to you? OK, if you're booked out but
- 40:06you're drowning, it likely means that you have put yourself as
- 40:11like the nucleus of your business, which means that it
- 40:14literally can't run operator function without you.
- 40:17So the thing that I see is sometimes when people are
- 40:20scaling, you may be putting yourself.
- 40:25As the doer, which means anything and everything problem
- 40:27wise in the business has to be solved by you.
- 40:30Which means as you scale your clients, you scale your
- 40:34pressure. As you scale your clients you
- 40:36scale your workload. As you scale your clients you
- 40:39scale your hours. If growth of the business.
- 40:43Meaning if becoming more booked out means you becoming more
- 40:46burnt out, then you don't necessarily want to go full
- 40:50throttle on the gas of scaling the business.
- 40:52So what I take from that is it probably means in some capacity
- 40:57whether I don't want to say this was intentional because this
- 40:59happens a lot of the time unintentionally.
- 41:02But if you are somebody that feels like if I take on more
- 41:06business, I'm going to go under, like I'm going to drown.
- 41:09I can't, you know, do more kick offs.
- 41:11I can't do more delivery, I can't do more sales calls,
- 41:13whatever might be in the idea of taking on more clients, does
- 41:17that make you feel stressed because you feel like you would
- 41:19be burdening a lot of it? Then it typically means that
- 41:23you're too much into the process.
- 41:24So one of the things that I would recommend is if you're
- 41:26booked out, but delivery is heavy, first thing I was do, I
- 41:29would do is start documenting, especially if you're somebody
- 41:31who is in an agency model. Even more so, I would really
- 41:36start to think about do I have effective documentation of the
- 41:38stuff that I'm doing right now? This is not a matter of making
- 41:41fancy trainings. It can literally even just be,
- 41:44you know, casing videos or recording videos of what your
- 41:48current processes are and allowing that to just be saved
- 41:51in a bank that when you bring on somebody to assist you, you've
- 41:54got documentation of how you're doing things and the way that
- 41:57you're doing them. So I would personally say to
- 42:00look at that because if delivery feels heavy, the thing that you
- 42:04want to be really conscious of, and I've seen this with
- 42:05businesses, which is why I mention it, If your delivery is
- 42:09very connected to you indirectly, like not
- 42:12consciously, like subconsciously, you're going to
- 42:14resist marketing yourself, you're going to resist sales.
- 42:18And that's because you know down the line that both marketing and
- 42:22sales lead to more work on your plate, which isn't something
- 42:26that you're looking to invite. It isn't something that you're
- 42:28excited by. So because of that, I would
- 42:30really, really recommend thinking about how can you
- 42:33document to then first look at what you can do to become more
- 42:37efficient or systematize. Even with AI, there's a lot of
- 42:40things that you can dial in these days.
- 42:42And then if that is not something that you feel like you
- 42:44can do with AI looking at a person, but before you ever
- 42:47think about getting personal support, you always want to make
- 42:50sure that you have something documented for that person to
- 42:52use as their guideline. OK, what's the first system you
- 42:57install when you scale? What is the first system you
- 43:01install when you want to scale out of founder dependency?
- 43:07Well, we technically covered just that, so I would say cue
- 43:10the answer before that one. OK, how do you know if your back
- 43:13end operations are capping your revenue?
- 43:16Oh, great question. There's two sides to this.
- 43:21Operations can cap your business because it's too basic, meaning
- 43:25that you literally don't have the infrastructure you need to
- 43:27take on more clients without things going astray.
- 43:31On the contrast, I will say I have also seen in businesses
- 43:35people who make these just exorbitant, overly complicated,
- 43:42overly difficult, way too complex systems and processes
- 43:48and automations and tracking and data.
- 43:50And they're having all these like crazy, like dashboards or
- 43:52spreadsheets or whatever it is. And I'm like, dude, we just need
- 43:56these 4 numbers to be visible. Can we get those 4 numbers
- 43:59please? Like that's what we need to make
- 44:00a decision. So I would say both.
- 44:03If you are somebody that's scaling, there's a lot of people
- 44:06who when you're growing initially, you can be really
- 44:09scrappy because it's just you, right?
- 44:11Like it's maybe you and one, one other person, maybe two people.
- 44:14You don't really need a lot necessarily with a small tight
- 44:18knit, you know, team like that to be able to grow.
- 44:21Now on the contrast, though, it is something that once you get
- 44:25to a threshold of a certain amount of clients, you're going
- 44:28to outgrow it. So like, even if you have no
- 44:30data right now and you have no tracking and you have no
- 44:33processes and you have no documentation, you're going to
- 44:36reach a threshold at some point. For every business, that
- 44:38threshold is different, but you're going to reach a
- 44:40threshold where you go, Oh my God, things are really chaotic.
- 44:43And that's often a byproduct of the fact that you don't have
- 44:47internal processes set up. So I would say how it could be
- 44:51capping your ability for revenue is that you're doing things
- 44:55potentially repeated that don't need to be repeated.
- 44:59You're doing things that take lots of revisions that you could
- 45:01reduce revisions if you had better documentation or better
- 45:04systems or processes. You may be, you know, feeling
- 45:08like you're adding seven steps to to things that you're like,
- 45:10oh, wow, there was an automation that could just, you know,
- 45:12handle all of that. So that's kind of option one.
- 45:16The other option to look at or think about for yourself is, is
- 45:18it possible that the level of complexity city that you've
- 45:21added to your processes is actually the thing that's
- 45:24keeping you from doing what you need to do?
- 45:27And it's something that even myself, I've been really
- 45:29appreciating a lot. You guys always hear me talk
- 45:32about her, but I'm just such a big fan.
- 45:33Kelsey Dearborn has been with our business for what feels like
- 45:36forever now, for ages. She's the OG, she's the first
- 45:39hire ever. And the things that she's
- 45:42integrated, one of the things I really appreciate about her
- 45:44approach is that when she integrates something, she
- 45:47doesn't look to make it overly complicated.
- 45:51She doesn't look to make it complex.
- 45:53She's not looking to make it When she hands it to me like
- 45:57this is the fanciest thing I could make, she's like, hey,
- 46:00like these are the functions of what you needed to do.
- 46:02It does that. Like you can see this, you can
- 46:04see that you click here, it will do this.
- 46:06Like it hits the functions. So one of the things I really
- 46:09appreciate about her approach is that she was able to take times
- 46:13where our business was like just like, whoa, like it was lots
- 46:16going on. And she took systems and made
- 46:19them really simple. She took processes and didn't
- 46:22mean that they needed a ton of management and a lot of constant
- 46:25monitoring. She always kept it simple.
- 46:28And I think that there's this tendency when people try to
- 46:31scale that they feel complication or fanciness is
- 46:35what makes them official. It is what makes them legit.
- 46:38And I would actually argue the opposite.
- 46:39I've seen businesses that are doing, you know, 7 million a
- 46:43year who are literally using spreadsheets.
- 46:45So I by no means believe or buy in to this perspective that the
- 46:50level of complication is directly correlated to the
- 46:53effectiveness because they're not.
- 46:55So I would say how can OPS or the back end keep your revenue
- 46:59capped? You're either over complicating
- 47:01it and that's bloating the business or you're you have
- 47:03nothing established and that's bloating the business.
- 47:06Both bloat the business from making more money.
- 47:09They just do it in different ways.
- 47:11Great question, by the way. Really, really good question.
- 47:14OK, I've hired before and it didn't go well.
- 47:16How do you rebuild trust in team?
- 47:19It's a really common question. I actually had this Lily from
- 47:21somebody today. They said I'm scared to hire
- 47:23because I hired before and it was a disaster.
- 47:25The the classic quote is hiring is guessing, firing is knowing.
- 47:31And the thing that I take from that is that I don't really
- 47:35think as a business owner that you can ever get out of business
- 47:38unscathed by a difficult hiring story.
- 47:42All of us have stories about, you know, that person was, it
- 47:44was not a good hire for the following reasons or this didn't
- 47:47work out and I'm worried it would happen again.
- 47:49But if I'm going to give you an analogy, the way that I would
- 47:52think about this is you have to look at this almost like
- 47:55relationships in your life, like a partnership or a friendship
- 47:58that goes sour. If you had a previous team
- 48:01member, whether it is part time, contractor, full time, whatever
- 48:05it might be. And again, all of us have them.
- 48:07I have not talked to a single person who has team that doesn't
- 48:09have some kind of team story. And the thing that I would say
- 48:13with that is it's just learning. So think about it like a, like a
- 48:16romantic partner or like a partner that you have, you know,
- 48:19as a business partner or friend, you want to keep in mind that
- 48:23you don't want that one circumstance, that one situation
- 48:26to be the thing that completely blocks you from all potential
- 48:30blessings that could come into your life.
- 48:33When it comes to team. And even for myself, you know,
- 48:36one of our last hires previous to that, we had three people
- 48:42that didn't work out in totally different departments with three
- 48:45people that didn't work out, basically all seemingly
- 48:47back-to-back. And I'm going to be honest, at
- 48:51that point I questioned myself and I said, OK, like, is it me?
- 48:55Am I really, you know, not fun to work with?
- 48:59Like, like, you know, like I started to have all the things
- 49:02that you're asking. I think it's a fair question to
- 49:04say like, I'm scared to, to hire again.
- 49:06Like what if that happens again? And so if you think, what if
- 49:09that happens again, what you really have to isolate is why
- 49:12did it happen in the 1st place? And that helped me because I
- 49:16recognized, you know, one of the situations was that I'm a big
- 49:19data person and the person that I let go was not someone who
- 49:22cared about data. So I was like, that was a
- 49:24misalignment in a sense of expectations with the role.
- 49:27Got it. 2 was somebody that I hired that I, I really had hopes
- 49:32that they were going to work out, but the products that they
- 49:34produced was not the level of the caliber that we needed for
- 49:37the business. And so I didn't know what
- 49:40caliber they could produce without truthfully hiring them.
- 49:42I had to kind of get them in there.
- 49:44And once I got in there, I tried, I workshopped it, I
- 49:47feedbacked it, but it just wasn't working out.
- 49:50So I had to let them go. And the third person I actually
- 49:54really enjoyed working with and was, you know, in my mind a
- 49:57great energy to have within our team.
- 50:00But there became a circumstance where there was just a big
- 50:02difference in values and the representation of those values
- 50:05in how we show up everyday. And so with that, we don't work
- 50:10together any longer. So it like all just situations
- 50:15that you had to go through to learn these lessons and all good
- 50:19people, all people that I would say only positive things about.
- 50:22Like it was just disconnects on things that maybe I wasn't clear
- 50:27about was kind of what I looked at.
- 50:29I'm like, did I have ownership in this?
- 50:30Was I unclear? Was there lack of training?
- 50:33Was there potentially, you know, maybe I shouldn't have hired
- 50:35this person in the 1st place? Did I do my due diligence in
- 50:38hiring them? Really actually reflect on what
- 50:42your lessons were from that. And here's the thing, the most
- 50:45important thing is that you take those lessons and awareness and
- 50:47you bring that into your next hire.
- 50:50It would be very different if you go in being like, well, I
- 50:53don't know what happened over there, but I'm just going to
- 50:54hire again. That's when you repeat the same
- 50:57situation over and over. The people that really
- 50:59critically sit down and think about and reflect on what has
- 51:03happened, why did that happen? What role did I have?
- 51:07What role did they have? Could there be anything I
- 51:09integrate to prevent that in the future?
- 51:11When you ask those questions, you're not often going to end up
- 51:14with the same situation repeating itself over and over
- 51:17because you break the pattern. So I would say just like a
- 51:20relationship, don't allow one situation to rewrite and assume
- 51:24that this is a blanket scenario that meaning anything else in
- 51:27the future is going to be the exact same.
- 51:29Because I can guarantee you as long as you change the pattern,
- 51:32it won't be OK. So what does building a real
- 51:35leadership layer in your business look like?
- 51:38I'm somebody who feels like I don't know what it means to
- 51:40lead. Great question.
- 51:42I, I didn't either when I started hiring people, I hired a
- 51:47leadership coach. And what we worked on together
- 51:49was understanding that there's a big difference between
- 51:53leadership and management. And this is something that I
- 51:55think is a really crucial piece. If you are someone that has a
- 51:58team, you have to understand that management is basically
- 52:00auditing tasks and completion and projects and achievements
- 52:05and all of those. And we need that in a business,
- 52:08you need both. You need leadership and you need
- 52:09management. But a lot of people don't
- 52:11understand what leadership means, which basically is as I
- 52:14see it, if I was going to define it myself, not this is the
- 52:17definition in the dictionary. It's basically how you
- 52:20understand the internal cues, triggers, motivators, desires
- 52:25and needs of your team members to know person to person what
- 52:30those are and how you can support someone with those to
- 52:34excel in what it is that they do to not only help them, but
- 52:38obviously indirectly to help the business as well.
- 52:40And So what I would say to the aspect of leadership, like
- 52:44building a leadership layer into the business, truthfully, you're
- 52:47going to start with yourself. Like this is really not going to
- 52:49come down to your team. It's about you need to learn how
- 52:52to lead. You need to learn what is your
- 52:54style of leadership? Where are you lacking as a
- 52:57leader? You know, I had to have some
- 52:59really clear conversations with myself where I I, you know,
- 53:03realized, OK, wow, like previously my leadership was
- 53:06like task, task, task, task, task.
- 53:08And then I realized I was like, I want people to take ownership.
- 53:10I want them to, to feel agency. And then basically I had, you
- 53:13know, someone say to me, they're like, yeah, but you don't even
- 53:15let them take agency. Like you literally don't release
- 53:18enough control for someone else to take agency over their
- 53:21department. They could, they're the kind of
- 53:23people who could, no question. But you won't let go.
- 53:26And it was really having those conversations that made me
- 53:29realize, OK, wow, this is not a, oh, we need a system or we need
- 53:33this or we need that. There's a lot to be said about
- 53:35documentation, but it's also a matter of where are you in the
- 53:39way that you show up for your people or the way that you lack
- 53:42showing up for your people? Where are you capping your
- 53:45business? And I think that that is
- 53:46something that was a really important conversation and still
- 53:50is a conversation that I'm always working on.
- 53:52So I would say if I could recommend anything to you, start
- 53:55reading leadership books, start, you know, listening to podcasts
- 53:59on leadership. Start asking yourself, you know,
- 54:01what does it mean to lead? And recognize most importantly,
- 54:04that people think leadership is about critiquing people.
- 54:08And it's about, you know, leadership is all about, you
- 54:10know, enforcing the rules and all of this stuff.
- 54:13But I would actually say in today's current market or
- 54:15today's current business structure, leadership, there's
- 54:18actually a lot about how you can lead from the front and lead by
- 54:20example. And so if you're somebody that
- 54:22cares about the level of detail of your work, if you're somebody
- 54:24who cares about, you know, how people feel, if you're somebody
- 54:27who cares about what people are going through in their life
- 54:29while they're navigating their work, like that's something
- 54:33that's going to bleed into your team.
- 54:34And so I, I realized that a certain point in my business, I
- 54:37really knew what my team did, but I didn't know how my team
- 54:40was doing. OK, So I got to this place in my
- 54:43business where I'm like, I know what they're doing and what
- 54:45they're up to, but I don't know how they're doing.
- 54:48And I was like, that sucks to realize, to be honest, because I
- 54:53realized I was like, whoa, like they're working with me, but
- 54:57like, you don't work for me. Like you work with me, you don't
- 55:01work for me. And I realized that that shift,
- 55:04'cause I had all this like corporate mumbo jumbo in my
- 55:07head, I was like, OK, like these, this is what you need are
- 55:09the people who work for you and so on, so forth.
- 55:12I was like, but I don't want people who work for me.
- 55:15I want people who work with me. And what I realized was as a
- 55:18leader, I, I knew what they were doing, but I didn't know how
- 55:22they were doing. And that's a question I would
- 55:26ask you. Do you know the people that
- 55:28you're working with, how they're doing?
- 55:29And so like, I know that one person that I'm working with is
- 55:34navigating like, Hey, I think I have a DHDI don't know what the
- 55:36heck's going on. And then the other person's
- 55:38like, hey, you know, I really want to learn more about this
- 55:41regulation and kind of inner work.
- 55:43And someone else is talking about the fact that they're
- 55:45really learning a lot about things that are happening of
- 55:47being a homeowner and you know, the, the phase that they're
- 55:50going through right now and they're experiencing, you know,
- 55:52new opportunities with that. And then I'm talking to somebody
- 55:55else who, you know, they were sharing with me is, is learning
- 55:58a lot about releasing of other people's things and how they're
- 56:01holding for people, right? Like nothing to do with their
- 56:04tasks, nothing to do with outcomes, nothing to do with the
- 56:06goals of the business. But it tells me like, how are
- 56:08they doing? And that allows me to know when
- 56:11I'm giving them tasks, when I'm giving them things to work on,
- 56:14when I'm asking for their help with things.
- 56:15It really helps me to understand what frame of reference are they
- 56:18coming in with as to what they're navigating when they
- 56:20approach that task or when they approach approach that project.
- 56:23So what is the identity shift required to go from multi six to
- 56:28seven figures in your business? Oh, getting out of the doing and
- 56:35becoming the person. Like like don't think I'm
- 56:38removing myself, think I'm moving up.
- 56:42So a lot of people when they think about going to seven
- 56:43figures, they're like, I don't want to remove myself.
- 56:45I love my business. So do I like I love my business
- 56:49too. This is not about you in order
- 56:51to go to seven figures, removing yourself and you go sit in a if
- 56:55you want to, you can, but like if you don't go sit in a spa and
- 56:59you have nothing to do with the business anymore.
- 57:00It's about changing the role in which you're leverage able.
- 57:04And I think the biggest difference to the question of
- 57:07what is the biggest shift in identity is, is realizing where
- 57:11are you most valuable? And the identity we have to
- 57:14release is that the places you used to be most valuable might
- 57:17not be the place that you're most valuable anymore.
- 57:19And so I see, you know, people, for example, in an agency or if
- 57:23you're a coach, you might be most valuable in like the
- 57:25day-to-day doing of the work with your clients.
- 57:28But the reality is the 7 figure version of you, that's not where
- 57:31you're leverageable. That may not be where you're
- 57:33most effective in helping the business to grow.
- 57:36And the other identity piece I would say that I can't skip over
- 57:40by any means is recognizing that like if you want to operate at a
- 57:45premium level, if you want to really operate as like that top,
- 57:49top top performer in business, start acting like it.
- 57:53Like I take myself to church on this all the time.
- 57:57Because when I feel like I'm in like this slump, like if I feel
- 57:59like I'm like low motivation or if you feel like I'm not like,
- 58:02you know, fulfilling things the way I could, I'm like, hey, you
- 58:05like get into training. Like you've fallen off your
- 58:09training. You've fallen off the way that
- 58:12you need to show up to be that person.
- 58:14Like, oh, you just want 7 figures handed to you.
- 58:16You want 7 figures on a platter without doing work, without
- 58:20doing the mindset work, without learning regulation, without
- 58:23having the habits, without changing your circle, without
- 58:27doing these things. Like you have to recognize that
- 58:31seven figures a year in a business is an incredible
- 58:35achievement and that takes a specific way of operating as an
- 58:41individual. And so, you know, I even have
- 58:44seen from myself, this is like so weird to say because I feel
- 58:46so self vulnerable if that's a word.
- 58:49It's not I recognize even now, like from multiple six to seven,
- 58:55from 7:00 to multiple 7. And if you're at multiple 7,
- 58:57willing to go to 8, you know, 8 figures a year, you have to
- 59:01evolve if you want your business to evolve.
- 59:04The person you are today who's making a certain amount of
- 59:07money, whatever that amount is in your business right now, the
- 59:10person that you are today is not the person you're going to be
- 59:15when you get to where you want to go.
- 59:17And I'm not talking personality. I love chocolate now as much as
- 59:19I love chocolate. It's six figures, OK?
- 59:22I love, you know, a good ROM com now, the same way I did that.
- 59:27I'm not talking about your personality, OK?
- 59:29I'm talking about the way that you see problems is going to
- 59:33shift. The way that you see stress and
- 59:36how you navigate stress is going to shift.
- 59:38I had a phone call a couple weeks ago and someone was like,
- 59:41hey, here's a $40,000 surprise. And I was like, OK, like, I was
- 59:46like, this is crazy. But also let's just handle it
- 59:49and pass me like me seven years ago, I'd be like, what are you
- 59:54talking about? And I would be like, freaking
- 59:56out. And I just remember, like,
- 59:58Kelsey, our team member is there when I got this call.
- 1:00:00And I was like, well, like, I took me a second, but I was
- 1:00:04like, OK, that would have taken me a week.
- 1:00:06It would have been taking me two weeks before.
- 1:00:08And so like nervous system regulation, how you look at
- 1:00:10problems, your habits, the excuses that you make, how
- 1:00:14consistent you are, like these are things.
- 1:00:17That compound into helping you to have that 7 figure business.
- 1:00:23So it's not about changing your personality.
- 1:00:26It's more about changing of the way in which you show up in your
- 1:00:30day-to-day within your business and the way you approach things,
- 1:00:34the perspective you bring, the clarity you bring, the calm you
- 1:00:37bring, the chaos potentially you bring.
- 1:00:40Those are things you got to dial in if you really want to have a
- 1:00:427 or a multiple 7 figure business.
- 1:00:44And honestly, it's a lot of what I coach, even my private clients
- 1:00:47on because because some of them are, are learning to flex this
- 1:00:50muscle for the first time. And you know, they'll say, you
- 1:00:53know, let's just say this team member did X and I said, hey,
- 1:00:55hey, hey, it's not the team member, it's the training, It's
- 1:00:59us. We get to lead better.
- 1:01:01We get to manage better. We get to make better
- 1:01:03documentation, we get to make better processes.
- 1:01:05Like this starts with I'm fixing it and I'm going to lead instead
- 1:01:10of like we point fingers, we don't point fingers, we own it
- 1:01:13and we say, OK, what was my involvement in this?
- 1:01:15What was their involvement? And how can I fix this problem?
- 1:01:17So it's just the way in which you approach the business, I
- 1:01:22would say is the biggest shift. And on the personal bucket,
- 1:01:25like, I don't believe that you should ditch everything that you
- 1:01:26used to do and like, see your old friends and see you, you
- 1:01:30know what I mean? Like, I don't think that that's
- 1:01:31necessary. I think it's more about
- 1:01:34personality wise, you should stay anchored in who you are.
- 1:01:37Like I, I, I, I think there's a, a significance, there's a value
- 1:01:41in staying humble. I think there's a value in
- 1:01:43staying kind. I think there's a value in
- 1:01:44staying wholesome. And yeah, I think that the
- 1:01:48biggest identity shift is not who you are as a person.
- 1:01:50It's about who is the person that you bring to the business
- 1:01:53each day. Might be the way that I'd phrase
- 1:01:54that. I kind of like that.
- 1:01:55I might steal that for myself. Okie, Dokie, let's go with one
- 1:02:00final one here. We got a lot more, which I feel
- 1:02:02like we're gonna need a Part 2 to this.
- 1:02:03But if you could help me, this is such a good question.
- 1:02:09If you could help me only fix one thing to unlock my ability
- 1:02:13to scale, what would you look at to decide what it is?
- 1:02:19I get to pick one thing to help you to grow.
- 1:02:24OK, I got it. Like I got it.
- 1:02:27I got it. OK, so I'm actually not going to
- 1:02:29tell you. I'm going to ask you questions
- 1:02:31because I want you to figure out what yours is.
- 1:02:32OK. So in your business, when you
- 1:02:36have had the most flow, the most success, the most ease in your
- 1:02:41business, what were you doing? So what were the actions you
- 1:02:45were taking? Was it marketing?
- 1:02:46Was it sales? Was it a certain offer?
- 1:02:48Was it a certain thing you were doing with your brand, with your
- 1:02:50team? So you saw the most momentum in
- 1:02:52your business, what were you doing?
- 1:02:54And the first question I would ask you is how consistent or
- 1:02:57close are you to doing those same things today?
- 1:03:01How many of those have you let go of?
- 1:03:03How many of those have you been like, oh, I delegated that or I
- 1:03:05gave that away or I systematize that.
- 1:03:07There's a possibility that if you're like, yeah, I'm still
- 1:03:11doing those things today, but they look very different that in
- 1:03:13doing that delegation, systematizing, etcetera, you've
- 1:03:16scaled out what was working about in the 1st place.
- 1:03:20So that's one thing that I would ask.
- 1:03:23Second thing I would ask is what is the biggest thing that you
- 1:03:28know could catapult your business that you're not doing?
- 1:03:31And you know what that is? So what is the biggest thing
- 1:03:36that you know could catapult your business and help it to
- 1:03:38scale, but that you're actively not doing?
- 1:03:41It doesn't really matter why you're not doing it.
- 1:03:42Some people are like, oh, well, it's time or it's resources or
- 1:03:45it's energy or it's, you know, I'm just scared or I whatever
- 1:03:48might be. What is that thing that you
- 1:03:51fully know? If you double down on it, it
- 1:03:53would really massively help your business.
- 1:03:54Or if you started doing it, it would massively help your
- 1:03:56business. What is something that you
- 1:03:58believe to be true about yourself right now that you know
- 1:04:04you would need to release or let go of to have $1,000,000
- 1:04:10business? And if 7 figures a year in your
- 1:04:14business could look easy or could be easy, what would that
- 1:04:20look like? Paint that picture for me in
- 1:04:22your head right now. Just answer that in your head.
- 1:04:25If you could have $1,000,000 a year in your business and it
- 1:04:27would be easy, what would that look like?
- 1:04:30And now you've got that picture level 1 to 10.
- 1:04:33How consistently and how passionately or intensely,
- 1:04:37whatever word resonates with you, are you pursuing that
- 1:04:42daily? Yes, that's what I would say.
- 1:04:47I would say the one thing, if you wanted my strategy side, the
- 1:04:50one thing is really reflective of your business.
- 1:04:53So it entirely depends on what you're experiencing.
- 1:04:56If you are somebody who feels like you want the strategy
- 1:04:59answer to unlock the one thing you need for seven figures, my
- 1:05:03question to you would be, what is one thing you can delete from
- 1:05:06your business that is causing you time, energy, resources and
- 1:05:10distraction that has not actually moved the needle for
- 1:05:13you in the last six months, whatever that thing is that
- 1:05:15you're thinking of? So take that.
- 1:05:17Someone came to me and they said I have Adm Setter.
- 1:05:19She, you know, books calls for me.
- 1:05:21I said, great, how many calls has she booked in the last six
- 1:05:22months for you? Well, we haven't had very good
- 1:05:25success with it recently. I said, great, Nix that, move
- 1:05:28her to a different department. And she was like, what?
- 1:05:31And I'm like, yeah, why would we keep paying Adm Setter who's not
- 1:05:35setting things right? Why would we keep paying a
- 1:05:39gardener who's killing the flowers?
- 1:05:41Like let's bring them into a different part.
- 1:05:43I'm not saying fire them. I'm saying take the energy,
- 1:05:46resources and time and put it somewhere else, put it into
- 1:05:49something that's actually creating momentum.
- 1:05:52So the strategy question would be, what is one thing right now
- 1:05:55in your business that you are doing that has not moved the
- 1:05:58needle in any capacity? There's no evidence to say it's
- 1:06:01creating momentum. There's no results to show for
- 1:06:03it. And with that, the number one
- 1:06:05thing that I want you to do is I want you to delete it.
- 1:06:08And that is because there's time, energy and resources that
- 1:06:10are being put into something you're doing right now that are
- 1:06:12not actually helping you. And you probably believe on some
- 1:06:15level that if I do more, of course I'm going to make more.
- 1:06:18It's the complete opposite. And I had to learn this very
- 1:06:21uncomfortable, hard way. This is something where you are
- 1:06:26going to actually need to do less in order for you to make
- 1:06:29more. And so it's going to mean
- 1:06:31getting really critical with the stuff that you're working on if
- 1:06:34you want to make 7 figures. And with this seven figures is
- 1:06:38different per person, 7 figures is not this easy, you know,
- 1:06:41formula of like A + B = C and boom, you made seven figures.
- 1:06:45It's depending on what your offer is, your team size, your
- 1:06:47marketing. All of these pieces of what I
- 1:06:49would tell you to change are definitely reflective of what
- 1:06:52kind of business structure you have.
- 1:06:53So with that being said, if you are somebody listening today who
- 1:06:57has resonated with the questions that we've shared, you are like,
- 1:07:00hey, I had that question or I am struggling with that or I am
- 1:07:03navigating that. I feel like a lot of what the
- 1:07:04questions that were submitted were very, very common, very
- 1:07:08relevant to things I've experienced and clients who come
- 1:07:11to me are experiencing. And so with all of that, if you
- 1:07:14are somebody that is in your place of your business right now
- 1:07:17and you are like knowing that you're not where you want to be,
- 1:07:21you know, you want to achieve more.
- 1:07:22You know that you're feeling these resistances, you know
- 1:07:24where to find me, Shoot me a message on Instagram.
- 1:07:26I would love to chat with you to see how I could support you if
- 1:07:29any of us resonated with you. The other thing I can also say
- 1:07:31is submit a question to have your question on ambitious.
- 1:07:36This is something that I love to do to be able to coach people,
- 1:07:38to be able to pour in. And so if you are somebody who
- 1:07:41is looking to get advisement for something you're navigating,
- 1:07:44submit it to the website. Go to the website.
- 1:07:46There's a form there. It can be entirely anonymous for
- 1:07:49you. You can submit a question of
- 1:07:50what you're experiencing. And when we have our next
- 1:07:53unfiltered episode, we will feature your question to give
- 1:07:56you your personalized answer. So with all that being said, I
- 1:07:58will see you on next week's episode.
- 1:08:00And, as always, stay ambitious.