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SMNTY Classics: Are women better at car shopping? · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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  Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I welcome to Stephane.
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  Speaker 1: Never told your production of I High Radio. So Samantha,
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  Speaker 1: we're you know, full speed. As we record this out
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  Speaker 1: of the holiday season, I'm seeing all these headlines about
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  Speaker 1: shortages that are impacting cars. My mom is getting all
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  Speaker 1: this solicitation to buy her old car. Um and you
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  Speaker 1: and I recently discussed are kind of experiences, both old
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  Speaker 1: and new, of buying cars. So did you, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: do you remember like your first experience buying a car.
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  Speaker 1: Did you do like some haggling? What was it like? So?
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  Speaker 1: I bought my first car at seventeen um and I
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  Speaker 1: knew exactly what car I wanted, and y'all, I loved it.
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  Speaker 1: And it was a Nissan Altima. So this was from
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  Speaker 1: like nineteen eight I think, and I bought it older,
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  Speaker 1: so it was like a model I think, and it
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  Speaker 1: was kind of irradiscan purple with gold handles, and I
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  Speaker 1: loved it. For I saved my money and my parents
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  Speaker 1: were right there with me. They helped me buy a
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  Speaker 1: little bit. My dad did all that work for me.
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  Speaker 1: But because from a small town from it was a
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  Speaker 1: small dealership, they knew us. Of course, it was easy
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  Speaker 1: to do, and they were so proud that as a
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  Speaker 1: seventeen year old, I had a pretty big payment down
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  Speaker 1: payment ready to go because I told you, I've been
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  Speaker 1: working since I was like fourteen, um, And I was
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  Speaker 1: so excited and I loved that car, loved it so
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  Speaker 1: much that after I got rid of that one, I
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  Speaker 1: got a new Nissan Altima. Yeah, I want to see
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  Speaker 1: a picture of this. I'm sure having it's It's not
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  Speaker 1: as glamorous as you think because it was all It's
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  Speaker 1: not like it was super fancying over the top, but
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  Speaker 1: it was different a lot enough that you're like, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I love this, this is my car. But it didn't.
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  Speaker 1: It wasn't gaudy. I'll say it that way, even though
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  Speaker 1: the way I described it probably sounds very gaudy a little.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to see it. So my the way
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  Speaker 1: I got the car I have today is like a
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  Speaker 1: story of spite that we don't have time to go
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  Speaker 1: into right now. But when I was in high school,
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  Speaker 1: my parents wanted to buy two new cars, and so
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  Speaker 1: they wanted me because at this time, like we had internet,
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  Speaker 1: but they kind of were like, I don't know, you
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  Speaker 1: do it. So I was in charge of like researching
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  Speaker 1: online find the best prices, and of haggling, and damn
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  Speaker 1: did I haggle Like I was like, no, we're going down.
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  Speaker 1: Like I was just really intense about it. It was
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  Speaker 1: like teenage girl. Um. But then when the moment of
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  Speaker 1: true you finally came and my parents got those two
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  Speaker 1: cars for like a really good price, like the price
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  Speaker 1: of what you it for one car, I passed out.
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  Speaker 1: I lost consciousness because I saw how much money it was,
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  Speaker 1: which was and I passed out a lot of money.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean it was quite the thing.
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  Speaker 1: And then I woke up and the dealer Steve was like,
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  Speaker 1: here's some hot chocolate. How are you feeling? That's hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: But I did eventually end up inheriting one of those cars.
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  Speaker 1: But I just you and I were talking about this.
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  Speaker 1: How strange I find it that this is one of
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  Speaker 1: the very few areas in are an American consumer consumership
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  Speaker 1: that you can bargain and that's expected that you will. Um.
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  Speaker 1: And it has changed a lot, and you and I
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  Speaker 1: were kind of talking about newer technologies you can use.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm curious if any listeners want to write in,
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  Speaker 1: like what's your experience, because yeah, it has changed a lot.
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  Speaker 1: But when I was buying a car, well, I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: buying when I was negotiating at the time, women actually
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  Speaker 1: did most of this stuff, which I find interesting, and
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  Speaker 1: they in this classic episode past hosts get into all
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  Speaker 1: of the reasons why that is. So please enjoy. Welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Stuff Mom Never told You from how Stuff Works
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  Speaker 1: dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Caroline
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  Speaker 1: and I'm Kristen, and today we're talking about an adventure
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  Speaker 1: that a lot of people in our society have been on,
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  Speaker 1: and I have been on myself once, but with my daddy.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about car buying, folks, car buying. As a woman,
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  Speaker 1: I bought a car a few years ago and it
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  Speaker 1: was a major pain in the neck. I'm not gonna lie.
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  Speaker 1: It's because it's the largest purchase I have ever made.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like buying jewelry. I'm not a homeowner. I
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  Speaker 1: was like these thousands. Yeah, I know, it's a big check.
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  Speaker 1: There's a lot of zeros and things you might as
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  Speaker 1: I just picture like bringing in a briefcase of money,
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  Speaker 1: you know, like popping it open on my stacks. The
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  Speaker 1: twenties in there just monopoly, like to buy a car. Um. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about this because there are so
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  Speaker 1: many stereotypes. There are so many just bad things surrounding
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  Speaker 1: the idea of a woman buying a car, walking into
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  Speaker 1: a car dealership getting treated like dirt, walking out having
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  Speaker 1: been ripped off, not knowing you know any better, And
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  Speaker 1: so I wanted to look into this, and I come
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  Speaker 1: to find out women actually are pretty darn good car shoppers. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: we have gotten better and will continue to get better.
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  Speaker 1: There was a widely circulated survey from least trader dot
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  Speaker 1: com that came out in January saying, hey, guess what,
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  Speaker 1: women generally get better deals with their cars than men do. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it was so widely circulated because people
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  Speaker 1: were like, what, women, women can buy cars, they know things.
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  Speaker 1: It's like the same studies saying that women are safer drivers. What.
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  Speaker 1: Um yeah. John Sternal of least Trader said women not
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  Speaker 1: only have a larger interest in cars overall, another like
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  Speaker 1: giant question where people are like, what a larger interest?
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  Speaker 1: But women today are taking more active role in the
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  Speaker 1: negotiating process of a vehicle and in the car shopping
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  Speaker 1: process in general. And this is because we ask questions,
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  Speaker 1: we do research. It's a little fear based. We're a
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  Speaker 1: little insecure, so we do a lot of research before
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  Speaker 1: we walk in there, but we walk in with our
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  Speaker 1: widths about us. Yeah. Essentially, this idea that women are
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  Speaker 1: terrible car shoppers who will just get taken to the
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  Speaker 1: bank at the dealership has become so ingrained in our brains.
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  Speaker 1: Were like, you know what, I better be fully prepared.
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  Speaker 1: And it's starting to pay off because way back when,
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  Speaker 1: in our podcast on women and negotiation, of course, car
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  Speaker 1: shopping came up, there was a statistic we cited saying
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  Speaker 1: that on average, women will pay more for a car
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  Speaker 1: just because they don't want to have to negotiate, just
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  Speaker 1: the prospect of haggling with someone. We want people to
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  Speaker 1: like us, we'll pay to not have to to do it. Yeah. Um,
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  Speaker 1: but so all of these things. Part of the negotiation
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  Speaker 1: is asking the right questions, and so women. In this
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  Speaker 1: lease Trader survey, they found out that women are more
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  Speaker 1: likely to ask about a vehicle's accident history, safety performance,
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  Speaker 1: and overall functionality, whereas a man is more likely to
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  Speaker 1: focus on aesthetics, technology and driving an engine performance. Basically,
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  Speaker 1: a man walks into the dealership already confident, already thinking
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  Speaker 1: I know what I need to know, I've got this whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and they might not get as good of a deal
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  Speaker 1: because they haven't done all their research. Yeah, and when
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  Speaker 1: taking over a lease from the pre vious owner, this
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  Speaker 1: least trader dot com survey found that women ages twenty
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  Speaker 1: one to thirty are really great about ordering inspections first
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  Speaker 1: to make sure that the vehicle is in a condition
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  Speaker 1: that it should be in. Seventy of these younger ladies
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  Speaker 1: are doing it that compared to only of men in
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  Speaker 1: the same age group. Yeah, and one big key as
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  Speaker 1: far as researching is that in our research, we decide
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  Speaker 1: on a price before we walk in there. We're not
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  Speaker 1: going in I mean, I say, we I haven't done
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  Speaker 1: this yet, will I will I read this? I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I have a lot to do. Oh gosh um. According
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  Speaker 1: to Kelly blue Book, women are more likely to decide
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  Speaker 1: on a price before they go shopping, which equates to
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  Speaker 1: savings because you're not going in there with a giant
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  Speaker 1: question mark above your head. You know what the average
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  Speaker 1: person is paying for the average fill in the blank
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  Speaker 1: car here. So let's say, though, Carolin must a little
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  Speaker 1: role playing. Okay, you are going car shopping? Oh god,
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  Speaker 1: I just started. How do you feel? Feel? Feel nervous,
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  Speaker 1: feel little nervous. I'm wondering where my dad is. I
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  Speaker 1: want to get something small because I'm tired of paying
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  Speaker 1: high prices at the gas pump. And okay, so you've
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  Speaker 1: you've got all the stuff going on your brain. You're
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  Speaker 1: pulling into the dealership. Now, what do you expect for
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  Speaker 1: the salesman or the saleswoman to say to you? How
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  Speaker 1: do you expect to be treated I should say ignored.
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  Speaker 1: I expect to be treated like I'm getting a pat
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  Speaker 1: on the head, basically because I mean, okay, like I
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  Speaker 1: already deal with that because I look like I'm twelve.
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  Speaker 1: But people, you know, I expect salespeople to be like,
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  Speaker 1: aren't you cute? Are you here to buy a big car?
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  Speaker 1: A little girl? Are you all alone? Are you all alone?
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  Speaker 1: So yes, when you are not the only one who
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  Speaker 1: feels this way, Women have long complained about being either
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  Speaker 1: ignored or intimidated by salesman who think that they can
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  Speaker 1: just take us for everything that we're worth, take us
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  Speaker 1: for a ride. And there are all these stories that
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  Speaker 1: are published about like people going undercover kind of like
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  Speaker 1: comparing like how a man is treated versus how a
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  Speaker 1: female customer is treated, and former car dealership employees who
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  Speaker 1: are saying, you know what, stereotype is kind of true.
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  Speaker 1: For instance, in two thousand nine, ABC News published a
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  Speaker 1: story about this, featuring Dwayne Overhauld who used to work
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  Speaker 1: at a dealership, and he said, quote, women are preyed
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  Speaker 1: upon their easy targets. Don't be an easy target, Carol, No,
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  Speaker 1: absolutely not. Yeah. He said that predatory dealers use scare
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  Speaker 1: scare tactics to squeeze more money out of female customers,
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  Speaker 1: the message being you don't know anything about cars. We do.
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  Speaker 1: And according to this article, women typically get suckered into
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  Speaker 1: buying extras, which are meant to pay the difference between
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  Speaker 1: actual cash value of the car and the outstanding balance
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  Speaker 1: on your loan release. So they might talk you, try
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  Speaker 1: to talk you into getting a special protective coading on
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  Speaker 1: your cloth in the car, or stripes starch to want
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  Speaker 1: pin stripes and you want flames on the side of
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  Speaker 1: your car. Or they might treat a standard option when
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  Speaker 1: they're talking up the car as a specially feature that
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  Speaker 1: you will pay a little bit more for. So what
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  Speaker 1: do you do? Car and Driver UH featured a story
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  Speaker 1: written by Michael Feehan, who was a reformed dealership scammer,
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  Speaker 1: who says, really do your research, which is great because
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  Speaker 1: it sounds like women are getting great about doing their research.
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  Speaker 1: Find your needs, find your budget and have that price
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  Speaker 1: in mind, and shop around. Yeah, and be sure you
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  Speaker 1: let them know you're shopping around. Uh Yeah, turn your
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  Speaker 1: nose up at them if they're like, you know, assuming
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  Speaker 1: that you're going to get a car here today with us,
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  Speaker 1: But don't let them know exactly where you're looking. Be
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  Speaker 1: vague and don't buy today, don't you know. Don't go
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  Speaker 1: in thinking I've got to get a car. I've got
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  Speaker 1: to get a car. I'm gonna get it today, because
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  Speaker 1: that takes the pressure off of you. It makes the
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  Speaker 1: whole situation less RESTful. But if you do get an
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  Speaker 1: offer at a dealership, get it in writing. And if
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  Speaker 1: they won't give it to you in writing, walk away,
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  Speaker 1: walk away. Uh. So now that we are we we've
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  Speaker 1: established that women are good and getting better at car shopping.
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  Speaker 1: We are taking the reins of negotiation once we have
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  Speaker 1: selected our cars. Not so surprisingly, there are some gender
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  Speaker 1: differences in the types of cars that men and women
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  Speaker 1: are drawn to. Yeah. True car dot Com did a
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  Speaker 1: study and found that women prefer to purchase small cars
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  Speaker 1: and crossovers, typically from foreign automakers, and the VW Beetle
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  Speaker 1: is a good good example. It was the car most
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  Speaker 1: likely to be purchased by a woman in just over
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  Speaker 1: fifty six percent of the buyers registering a new Beatle.
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  Speaker 1: We're women and yeah, that's typically then when you think
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  Speaker 1: of gendered car buying, it's typically called like a girl car.
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  Speaker 1: I hate that girl car. Yeah. Now what are men
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  Speaker 1: drawn to take a while? Guess trucks? Yeah, just like
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  Speaker 1: when they were kids playing with their cars. Men like
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  Speaker 1: trucks and sportier models of cars. Yeah. In two the
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  Speaker 1: highest percentage of male registrations leaned toward expensive exotic brands
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  Speaker 1: like Bugatti. Male registered vehicles Ferrari four percent in Lamborghini
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  Speaker 1: five percent. I would love to hear from any of
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  Speaker 1: our female listeners who might be driving a Lamborghini. I
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  Speaker 1: bet they're out there. Yeah. And it's not saying that
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  Speaker 1: these are the those are the top three brands of
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  Speaker 1: cars that men drive. It's just like there aren't a
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  Speaker 1: lot of exactly, it's just who is who makes up
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  Speaker 1: the the buyers of those specific cars, but in the
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  Speaker 1: more mid market level. UH in two thousand ten, men
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  Speaker 1: tended to register trucks from GM, Chrysler, Antoyota at far
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  Speaker 1: higher rates than women. But speaking of car registration, even
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  Speaker 1: though women are responsible for something like sixty two of
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  Speaker 1: new car purchases, a majority of cars are registered still
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  Speaker 1: under men's names. A lot of that has to do
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  Speaker 1: with like my situation when I was younger and my
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  Speaker 1: car got totaled, and so my dad took me to
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  Speaker 1: the dealership. He was my car, he was buying it, obviously,
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  Speaker 1: but it was registered in his name. So there's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of situations where women are going with their husbands
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  Speaker 1: or their fathers or whatever to the dealership to get
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  Speaker 1: these cars. And so they point out, okay, so the
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  Speaker 1: you know, women make up the largest registrants for these
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  Speaker 1: smaller cars, these crossovers, these smallest vs. Whatever. That might
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  Speaker 1: have a lot to do with the fact that the
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  Speaker 1: women who are going on their own are going in
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  Speaker 1: for those lower priced vehicles. Does that makes sense because
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  Speaker 1: the cars registered to women sell in the low twenty
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  Speaker 1: thousand range and are probably going to women in their
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  Speaker 1: twenties and thirties who are single or don't have large families.
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  Speaker 1: But still, let's get back to price, because we go
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  Speaker 1: for these economical models. Uh. CBS News sided a two
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  Speaker 1: thousand eleven study out of the University of California, which
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  Speaker 1: found that women still tend to pay slightly more than
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  Speaker 1: men for the same model of car, not a huge amount, though,
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  Speaker 1: it's not an astronomical gap that you might expect. The
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  Speaker 1: price difference disappeared though when people shopped online. Uh, that
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  Speaker 1: was a point two percent price difference. And I thought
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  Speaker 1: that was interesting. I mean, I don't know anything about
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  Speaker 1: buying a car online. I mean I buy like clothes online.
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  Speaker 1: I found home items. I found my car on Craigslist.
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  Speaker 1: You did. I mean I was on there looking up
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  Speaker 1: misconnections because anything was out there, and then I found
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  Speaker 1: my car. The car posted a misconnection. It's like I
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  Speaker 1: saw you this tall brunette walk in the room seeking
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  Speaker 1: sassy brunnette. Um. So along these same lines, the two
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  Speaker 1: thousand to study from the Federal Trade Commission found that
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  Speaker 1: mediating transactions through the Internet removes important cues that sales
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  Speaker 1: salespeople can use to assess the consumers willingness to pay.
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  Speaker 1: And that includes gender, that includes race, that includes age.
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  Speaker 1: That's all that stuff. And they found that the Internet
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  Speaker 1: is disproportionately beneficial to those who have personal characteristics that
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  Speaker 1: put them at a disadvantage in negotiating, particularly women, African Americans,
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  Speaker 1: and Hispanic people. Yeah, and we've talked a lot about
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  Speaker 1: gender though, but speaking briefly on race, there was study
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  Speaker 1: out of Yale Law School in which they sent pairs
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  Speaker 1: of people was always a white guy and either a
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  Speaker 1: white female, a black woman, or a black guy out
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  Speaker 1: to something like two hundred different dealerships around Chicago to
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  Speaker 1: see what prices they would be quoted for the exact
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  Speaker 1: same car. And this is the final price after negotiations.
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  Speaker 1: Black men were the highest scammed. That makes sense, like
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  Speaker 1: they were charged the most, so and and below that
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  Speaker 1: black women and then white females. So there's also a
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  Speaker 1: racial element too that could be worth um exploring. Again,
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  Speaker 1: a little bit dated, but I was. I still found
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  Speaker 1: the conclusion compelling. So I guess we should we all
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  Speaker 1: just shop online. I don't even know what that entails.
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  Speaker 1: With someone right in and tell me how to buy
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  Speaker 1: a car online. It's my dad, That's fine, well. Shopping
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  Speaker 1: online would include things like checking reviews on sites like Edmunds,
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  Speaker 1: Kelly blue Book, How Stuff Works dot Com has an
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  Speaker 1: extensive auto section plugging the website. UH and US News
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  Speaker 1: and World Report always publishes the best cars of the year.
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  Speaker 1: You can look up things like that just to whittle
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  Speaker 1: down what you like, and especially finding different years of cars,
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  Speaker 1: because cars can be like bottles of wine. Caroline, some
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  Speaker 1: us will be better than otherose my yes, yes, that's true.
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  Speaker 1: My first car I inherited from my parents. They bought
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  Speaker 1: it new in ight and I inherited it when I
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  Speaker 1: turned sixteen. Apparently the nineteen paint for that Carl bad
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  Speaker 1: It was maroon, but all of those cars from that year,
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  Speaker 1: like the paint on the hood just started disappearing, like
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  Speaker 1: the hood was just metal. So you had a pretty
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  Speaker 1: sweet ride. It's pretty pretty sweet. Well, yeah, after my
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  Speaker 1: parents paid money to to snass it up. They pimped
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  Speaker 1: my My parents pimped my ride, and then it was
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  Speaker 1: totalled by stupid woman. My first car was a nineteen
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  Speaker 1: seventy nine butter yellow Mercedes had that car. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 1: had matching butter yellow hub caps and it could not
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  Speaker 1: go over sixty about violently shaking. Yeah, that was probably
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  Speaker 1: like the safety feature my parents were looking for. It
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  Speaker 1: was a tank that could only go slow. Did you
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  Speaker 1: inherit that or did they get it for you? I
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  Speaker 1: inherited it from a sibling. Yeah, sweet, like attracting all
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  Speaker 1: the boys in the car. They were like, look at
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  Speaker 1: that an amazing exotic car. Like I drove it into college,
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  Speaker 1: not into the building of my college, but while I
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  Speaker 1: was in college, it was just slowly breaking down, like
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  Speaker 1: a bit by bit. The all the windows couldn't roll down,
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  Speaker 1: the A C was gone. And then the final straw
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  Speaker 1: was when something in the engine had broken to where
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  Speaker 1: I would turn the car off. Okay, in the opposition,
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  Speaker 1: take the keys out, the car would still be running.
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  Speaker 1: I would then have to pop the trunk, get in
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  Speaker 1: the hood. It is also summertime at this point when
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  Speaker 1: this is happening, and and stop the car like press
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  Speaker 1: on this lever until the car stopped. Um, yes, that's terrifying.
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  Speaker 1: It was. It was an adventure, but I loved that car. Anyway,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: back to car shopping. Yeah, some good tips that CVS.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to keep talking about your car. Uh,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: some good tips that CBS News have are to, Like
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: we said, we're harping on this, set your price target.
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  Speaker 1: Look at true car dot com and Edmunds dot com
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  Speaker 1: to see the average selling price for the model you
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  Speaker 1: want in your area and really stick to it. Determined
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  Speaker 1: not to pay above that average unless they're special circumstances
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: like you have to have a pink glittery you know,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: helicopter car. I mean, we don't know what's Mariah Carey
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: driving these days. If you have special needs, you might
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: end up paying more. They also recommend getting competing bids
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  Speaker 1: without visiting dealerships. They recommend a service like car woo
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  Speaker 1: dot com. It charges you a fee, but it gets
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  Speaker 1: bids from three dealers on exactly the model you want.
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  Speaker 1: And they're also broker services, perhaps through the car Loan
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  Speaker 1: Bank or credit union that you go through. A lot
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: of them will have attached services where someone will go
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: out and find the car that you want. But again
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: you might have to pay for that. But it's it
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: seems like to summarize the podcast with the car shopping
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: and for you to take with you, Caroline need it,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: what is it? The Internet is your friend? You can't
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: do enough research on the internet. Correct and confidence is key. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna wear comfortable clothes, but maybe business cash. Yeah,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: walk in there like I own the play. There are
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: some sensible khakis. Yeah, I'm not. Maybe I won't make
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: eye contact. Maybe that will make them nervous. So, Caroline,
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: do you feel more empowered now? I do? But I
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: don't want to do car homework? Can I pay someone
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: to do the homework for me and just tell me
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  Speaker 1: the high points? Uh? You could pay me. I'll give
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: you five dollars. Never mind, hugs, hugs, I'll make you sandwich.
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: That's worse. Oh n Well, let's let's let's negotiate off
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  Speaker 1: off the podcast. We'll work on this later. So if
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: anyone has car shopping tips out there to send Caroline,
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: please let us know. And also car horror stories people
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: out there, have you experienced these stereotypes of being taken
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: at the dealership? Uh? Let us know anything related to
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: cause cause cause that's what we want to hear about.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: YadA YadA ya. You can send us your letters at
• 22:40
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• 22:43
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• 22:46
  Speaker 1: And in the meantime, we got a couple of letters.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: This first one is about our podcast Summer Short on
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: Summer Camp, and this is about Sally, who was twelve
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: years old who went to a week long Christian summer camp. Uh.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: She was very nervous about going, and the day before leaving,
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  Speaker 1: she writes, my mom helped me pack my bag, which
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: only increased my unease about going to camp. To my horror,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: my mom insisted on packing a few pads MAXI pads.
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  Speaker 1: I was mortified. I didn't even want to think about
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: getting my first period, let alone while at camp. My
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: parents dropped me off at camp the next morning, and
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I did make a couple of friends in my cabin
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: right away. I got the camp tour, swim in the pool,
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: or in all the silly games played during meal times.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: But by the next morning I felt sick. My stomach hurt,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: my back ached, and I had a low fever. After
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: a few hours lying down the nurses cabin, my parents
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: were called and my grandparents were sent to pick me up.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: Once at my grandparents house, I went to the bathroom
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: and discovered that I had gotten my first period. I
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: quickly ran to my bag, rummaged around for one of
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: the pads, and did my best to put it on correctly.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: When my parents picked me up the next day, my
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: mom made a comment about how I had worried myself sick.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: I sat in the backseat of the car, fuming all
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the way home until I could pull her aside for
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: a private conversation. I angrily told her that I did
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: not worry myself sick, but that I had gotten my
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: first period. She felt bad earlier for her comment, but
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: couldn't help but tell me, I told you so about
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the Maxi pads. So thank you, Sally. Oh Mom, I
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: told you so about those Maxi pads. This is an
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: email from Mackenzie about our archaeology podcast, and it gives
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: me great hope for the future. And obviously I am
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: totally jealous of her. Okay, because you love archaeology, right, Yeah, exactly, um,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: she says. I graduated from the University of Evansville with
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: a BA in archaeology. My college is one of very
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: few universities in the US that offers a b a
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: in the field. Usually you go via anthropology, which is
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: why I ultimately chose to attend. I've been fascinated by
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: archaeology since elementary school, though oddly I never saw in
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: Indiana Jones movie until college. Well, I ended up in
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: out working in the field. I loved my time studying
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: archaeology at u E and was one of many many
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: women in my major. We were never made to feel
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: like we had less potential than our male classmates, either
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: by our professors or the male students themselves, and we're
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: always encouraged to get dirty, gain experience and learn. One
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: of one of our professors happens to be Dr Jenny
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: eve Ling, who you cited in the podcast. She was
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: my faculty advisor and is generally an amazing, funny, brilliant
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: person a major inspiration to all students in the UE
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Archaeology program, regardless of gender. So I am very excited
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: about the future of archaeology with all these ladies. Yes, uh,
• 25:37
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