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Miss Regime and Sawyer Hey, y'all regime from Locking Down Productions Women in
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Down aka Lowis low Ki aka Bobokatan. I love that one because I love
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Bobos Bobo Ga Tian very nice, cute, all right. And we also
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have Rod Morrow. You guys know me from the Blackout tips. I'm just
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running back my other aka's aka Aaron Jaegermeister aka Fay Runner twenty forty nine aka
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third I Samarai aka Monica Rambow aka the Rod of Stories. Some of y'all
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and of course Professor Flex Savior excellent lot of stories. I like that Flex
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Savior a cousin Ti Flex Luthor. Thank you very nice. They say something
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real quick though, Rod is it is? Why are we no longer by
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your former moniker, because I hear you introducing yourself was Rod Morrow. Now
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I've been I've been out here so hard, so long. At this point
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I forgot, Like once I got a job writing for Game Theory, I
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feel like people just know my government now I just say it's like, yeah,
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yeah, I'm on im dB, I'm on all of like they know,
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so you know, you see me in the streets. He's like writing
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for Game Theory. I'm like, damn, yeah. I thought it was
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just like in another tax bracket or something. You know, I'm different technically,
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but even with like writing for Drape Through Maniacs. They they I didn't
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know they were going to do it, but they were like, and Rod
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Morrow is on it. I was like, okay, so we just we
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said my name all right? Cool? Right the king uh you know,
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like like like like the Grand Duchess of Tech. Don't be going out here
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by our government. It's just it is what it is. Listen, I've
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been doing it, Okay, so it is really name my last name is.
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I mean, so you know I'm gonna keep rolling with it and not
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real anymore than that. Also, like Rodham is prown trademark, so you
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know, I gotta, I can't. I won't get sued. It is
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true, Casbro show up Like, now what you say your name was Morrow?
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Sorry I never heard? Oh my god. All right, so we
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are back. We are talking all things Loki Loci season two, everything about
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the series that we love, that we hated that we had questions on,
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as well as how we felt about the finale and is this a series finale
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or a season finale or what is this at this point? Because I think
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I think it's over. I think it's Yeah. The writer said that this
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was a two part story that they wanted to tell. Now whether or not
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Marvel's like, we need more money, which I don't think so because they
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got jillion characters. But the writers said this was the two part story they
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wanted to tell and were done. And uh, Hidleson's been going around doing
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like talking about I've been playing this dude for fifteen years now, I'm good.
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So yeah, so he was just over it. So you just think
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that that's why they're going to take a break. Now, Hey, at
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least a break. I'm sure show up and cameos and stuff like that.
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At some point that the producers also said, yeah, that you know,
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having the sun shine on Thor and Loki is something that they, you know,
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wanted again, because that's what Loki says to Thor in Infinity War before
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it gets murked. Okay. Between Loki season one and Loki season two,
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which ones did y'all like better? I didn't see too. I now watch
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I Am to my Good Sister, my good brother on for all thirds,
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and I didn't watch that ship. We didn't see it was wat Let me
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ask you, you didn't watch this because we said we we said it was
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entertaining. I would have said, don't watch Moon Night out of the yeah,
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yeah, And I would have told you, I know you said,
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but damn magee. Okay, but why didn't you watch it? It couldn't
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been that we said we we said we were entertained. No, it just
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wasn't just that. It just it didn't. I wasn't moved to watch it.
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I just I just wasn't wasn't moved. I mean, I will,
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I will, obviously, I'm here. I don't mind being spoiled at all.
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So I just wasn't moved. What did you think about season one?
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Did you like? Is that why you didn't annoyed? Season one I really
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really enjoyed season one. I really truly did. I just I just I
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don't know. Maybe it was Secret Wars. I don't know if that that
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takes my month. And I just said, I need a Marble break.
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So you don't trust Disney, Disney, Marble, Disney Plus. I just
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oh, I heard Michael say something he doesn't Why do you not trust the
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House of the Mouse and Marvel? What's your problem? Because at least when
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it comes to Disney Plus shows like they all start strong, but then this
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didn't they well yeah, yeah for the most part, for the most part,
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they start strong, but then after that they never stick to landed.
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But when it comes to like Loki, honestly, I haven't liked Loki that
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much, Like what really the first season not the character. Not the character.
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I love the character, but the show has bored me for the most
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part. The only thing about Loki one and season two that got me interested
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or the last episode. So the last episode of season one, last episode
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of season two, that's the only time I was like, Okay, I'm
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interested, but like, other than that, this whole season could have been
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an hour. Yeah, but that's not you're not wrong there, You're not
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wrong, Rod, What did you think between the two seasons. I'll be
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the outlier. I love Loki. I love Loki. I think it's some
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of the smartest riding in my be too smart because I have friends that are
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like, I can't follow this shit? How do you? How do you
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follow this? Or whatever? I'm like, I mean, you do have
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to think about a lot. There's a lot of callbacks, a lot of
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timeline manipulation, a lot of like time working in one way over here,
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but in the multiverse it don't work that way with the cause and effect.
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And it definitely lost viewership. I think forty percent of people didn't watch this
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compared to the first season, So whether that's secret invasion or just people not
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liking the first and that much. But I enjoyed it. I think it
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still has the same flaws. A lot of Marvel series has, you know,
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secondary characters basically just there like they don't they When you make TV six
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to eight episodes at a time, you put yourself in a pigeonhole where you
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don't develop anybody but the main guy, Like you don't have time and we
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lost something with that. You know, a bunch of people shit on those
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Marvel shows on Netflix. They were thirteen episodes. Like, by the end
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of it, you cared about characters that you know, you just were getting
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introduced to. With this one, I felt like I didn't care about anybody
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basically but Loki. But anyway, as far as a character development for Loki,
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like as a series, I like that. I like they actually,
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to me, for the first time in a long time, took the time
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to redeem a character that I didn't know could be redeemed. And a lot
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of times they do that in shortcutsing movies and other series, and it just
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doesn't hit the same for me. I'm like, I don't know, they
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earn it. I felt like he earned his redemption at the end of having
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twelve episodes or whatever. Ben Yeah, I didn't. I don't like especially
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this. I think the thing with it is is kind of what Regime was
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talking about when we were talking about the Marvels, is how when you watch
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things in retrospect, it can redeem things like when you watch Thor the Dark
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World because you have all this later stuff with Thor where you know how much
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his mom means to him, it hits a little different. But without that
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doesn't. And I feel like Loki does a lot with this character. Where
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I love season one and I was highly entertained by season two, I didn't
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love it as much. I thought the problems that I saw from the very
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beginning were going to become bigger problems by the end of the series, and
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I wasn't, to me very much misguided in that I thought that they just
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kept repeating things and kept doing things over and over again, and then even
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by the final but so we had things just being done over and over again
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in the final episode, which I found completely hilarious when time he's getting torn
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apart or when he who remains getting stabbed over and over again. I thought
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it was hilarious. But I also thought it was just could have been shrunken
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down, which a lot of things in this could have been shrunken down and
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could have got through it quickly or yeah, timely or fashion. I hear
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what you're saying right about it, like if they had more episodes and more
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time to flush it out. But I also think, like we've seen things,
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we've seen stories and TV where they do have the same amount of episode
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and they're really able to draw a compelling story because they do it with a
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lot of like, well, keep in mind, I like it, but
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even in those other things that you're gonna name, I don't feel like secondary
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characters get as much when you have six to eight episodes. It's just it's
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damn it's damn near impossible. It's like, we can make one character be
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a fully fleshed out, three dimensions a person, we don't have time for
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eight people to be three dimensional. And that's like a part problem with the
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Marvel Disney Studio production thing. You don't have a head writer, you don't
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have you don't have a show runner, and so you have executives making decisions
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and it's like playing with toys, right They they not looking at it the
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same way as like these are characters. They need to know why Mobius doesn't
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want to go back or whatever. It's like we'll just give him like one
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minute where you see his kids, and they would go that shit to me
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hurts the product over. But the lokey part of it, just the Loki
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part considered, this is not the Loki that like killed all like everybody.
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This is like he didn't get to go through the rest of the Marvel universe.
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This is a dude. They pulled out after the first Avengers, right,
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and then he did his function in New York, right, and then
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he went through the moral arc that we never that we got to see the
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other one go through when Thanos killed him. He went through that shit like
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in this like he caught to me, he did earn his redemption, even
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though I messed you could argue he wasn't as evil as the other Loki,
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but I don't know. That's the thing. I would argue that this Loki
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is the more. I mean, I feel they both go through a redemption
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arc, like you said, but I feel like this one's redemption arc.
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Especially. There are points in this one where he made statements like when he
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says the statement to Sylvia that we are God's I'm like, oh yeah,
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it's still that evil as Loki. All he did was watch your movie.
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But he didn't say it. He didn't say it in the way of hubrits.
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He said it in the way of responsibility, like we can't shirk this
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because her thing was like, fuck all this, let these motherfuckers die.
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And he's like with our responsibility, Like she's like, what are we gods
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here? Like yeah, nigga, we can't let everybody, I'm sorry,
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you know. So I think he learned more responsibility and it really hit me
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because it's really timely. His big like breakthrough in the second and last episode
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when he realizes that is he's just gonna be fucking lonely and he actually these
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are his fucking friends, and that's so that like looning, this is an
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epidemic right now. So like that shit resonated as a character moment because I
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think that's the same thing the other Loki had to go through, but we
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got this a different way, and I marveled at the writing and how they
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were able to get there here and still get to the core of the character.
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I still have issues with the series, but like I said, the
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Loki parts to me are the least problematic of the parts. I'll agree there
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because I think my biggest problem with the series was the lack of Sylvie being
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anything more of a prop in the second season, and I felt like in
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the first season they gave her a lot more, and then in the second
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season introduced characters like ob who to me is just a joke really in pointlessness
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because he's just another Casey for that matter, who's another pointless character and I
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just felt like all this time was racing with them, be whatever, waste
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time. Yeah, I mean, especially especially like Sylvie, because I would
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have argued she's the co lead of season one, she's the co league,
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and in this season I wouldn't have called her the co league because she just
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wanted to go to McDonald's. Yeah, she's a prop. Basically, she's
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trying to get that big mat Like that's you know, no offense but to
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me, and that's like such a terrible arc to be, Like the person
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that had the most agency in the first season is just basically gonna be like
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the father and American American Beauty or whatever. When Kevin Spacey went to McDonald's
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and was like, can you just give me the job with the least of
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my responsibility, I'm like, no, nigga, you had all the continuity
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in the palm of your hand. You killed the man who took away freedom
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of choice and your choice the work in McDonald's, my nigga. And that's
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another thing I'm not want to let everybody because I feel like the debate about
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he who remains isn't very clear to me. It's like he doesn't seem that
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bad. I think the problem is because they say he says clearly that if
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you kill me, the canes are coming, right, and so at the
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end of this, even though they do write it where the canes and Will
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gets all that, it's still Loki is choosing to make it where the canes
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are coming, and so an intergalactic war is coming. He might be there.
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I guess they just rubbed them out now, which you know, I
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don't. You know. It's kind of ambiguous on that one. But the
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idea, I just feel like the idea of what is free will isn't very
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much because all the Avengers, Everybody's been making their choices in this mainstream timeline,
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and horrible shit has still been happening with he who remains being there.
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Horrible shit is not gonna stop because Loki is there as you wouldn't have movies.
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Mm hm, So I don't. I don't get it. It's pretty
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much you're trading one person for the other, is my thing. I do
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want to say, though, when you said that Time Montage was too long,
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I disagree that Time Montage was so fucking dope because it was all acting.
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They didn't show like they the frustration, and yet patients but also like
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just enough patients to get through the ordeal. That's all Tom Hidelson's acting like.
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But well he's like, yeah, I know, more of this is
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uh, I'm gonna take his job. Okay, now, no you need
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to, but make sure you tape off your helmet like they did that without
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showing us, like, and then he didn't tape over his helmet, and
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then he died, and then he did this. That's normally how they do
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that. Ship. They normally do that more fucking Groundhog Day ship. This
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one was all just this man is so frustrated. He must have done this
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a thousand times. I talk about it. I'm talking about what time himself
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is getting splattered over and over again. Yeah, that was that was short.
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That was like maybe three minutes of the whole episode that normally that could
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be its own episode of just like TV shows will do, like the Loop.
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We all have that loop episode of every show we love where you're like,
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damn, they did that shit for an hour. They think that for
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about three minutes. That's about musical fifteen minutes. That was too long,
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Sam fifteen and three, y'all chicking me right now is not as long as
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fifteen but I'm not gonna hold you, Rob, But my thing is I
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feel like a lot of the season did that. The episode one ends where
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the characters are exactly where they were at the beginning of the episode one,
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and a lot of the season did that. Sure, Loki himself might be
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learning minor lessons, but it's not even very shown until, like you said,
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episode five and six, where he's really starting to learn these lessons.
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Episode one, especially me, that's where I was like, oh, I
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think so so to me, that's not a problem because the first season is
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a time loop. That's that's the whole point of the first season, is
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it essentially how do you break a time loop? And then you end up
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at this point, this nexus point right then it's like we broke a time
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loup. How are we gonna fucking what is gonna replace it? Because it's
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gonna unravel everything. And to me, the narrative progression was not just at
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the end of episode one, they're back to at the end of so two,
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they're back to where they were in episode one, like shit was happening.
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And I was very compelled each time of like, Okay, they're moving
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forward, but how are they gonna solve this. I really think we don't
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get into the repeating, repetitious time shit until you get to that last episode
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five and six is when you get to the like, oh, this is
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just a different version of what we just saw before. But that felt purposeful,
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not like they bumped into that. Okay, but what about the shit
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that was like straight up boring? Like I didn't understand these long drawn out
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scenes of doing nothing like sitting around eating fucking key lime pie. What was
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the point, Like it wasn't a contemplative quiet moment where they're talking about their
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hopes and fears and all that. It was You're fucking sitting there and I'm
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hearing the asmr of you eating fucking pie, Like I didn't understand the station
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is adding more to the plot or anything along those lines. I think this
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is my biggest problem with Loki, both season one and season two. I
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feel like, a it shouldn't even been a Loki show. It should have
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been called TVA because yes, Loki was in every single scene and everything like
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that, but it really wasn't his show. He was there, but he
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technically until you get to the last episode of season two, he wasn't the
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one really driving the plot. It wasn't It was everything around him and he
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was just reacting to that. And then also is something I disagree with a
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Rod where he was like the character development at least with Loki. I feel
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like me personally, I don't think Loki had any character development in this show.
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And part of the reason why I feel like it's not his show,
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Like, yes, he did change, he's not evil, but we already
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knew that from the ten years he was already in the MCN. Where Lochi
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is now is exactly where he was at the end of Infinity War, which
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is getting him right back to that spot. But in two seasons of the
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show twelve episodes, what have we learned about Loki that we didn't already know
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before this show? We didn't know more about his life on Asgard. We're
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not learning more about his relationship with thor even Sylvie. They made a whole
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big stink about Sylvie and her being a different barrier and all that stuff.
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We didn't learn anything about her. Does she even have a thor? Like,
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we didn't learn anything about her old and we still don't know what the
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fuck her uh her? Uh? What what what is the what's the word?
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That they called uh where they had to prune her like her whatever her,
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the thing that they had to prune her for whatever her. Yeah,
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well her issue was we haven't learned anything about these characters, especially when it
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comes to Loki. Like, yeah, he saved the multiverse. He ended
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up being a good guy. We saw that already at the end of the
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Infinity War. He was, but he didn't say the multiverse even in Infinity
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War. I don't. I think this is different. Like he really took
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the every timeline, put it on his shoulders and became the goddess stories to
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maintain all of existence. That's not the same as they know killing him.
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Like to me, that dude, that dude is doing something for the rest
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of attorney with determination and the life the span of a god that could only
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be done by him. Like that is a different art. That is a
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different art. Hold up, that is a different arc than the Infinity War
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arc. And most importantly, this ain't the same Loki. So you took
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a Loki from a timeline after at Avengers and then and then that Loki did
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all this. So to me, unless you fundamentally misunderstand the timeline stuff that
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they're saying it's not the same guy. We're watching a different guy go through
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an arc and become the literally the most important figure in the universe, just
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holding everybody together. And on a meta level, I really love the god
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of mischief becoming the god of stories and protection of timelines and free will.
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That is, that is amazingly huge of responsibility that the other Loki I don't
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think would have ever picked up that mantal, because that Loki never really became
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a hero. He just was like, my brother gonna kill you. He
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was like, no, you're not nigga, you dead. That's a chance
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to he got killed. So yeah, but yeah, I get he I'm
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not saying he's but I agree completely on Sylvie saying he is in a different
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space. I'm not saying that. But the like we didn't really like I
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don't think they did enough to really get him, like he he changed from
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a fucking PowerPoint presentation watching his other you know, his other life. But
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like, we didn't learn enough about Mobis to get him to the point that
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he's really wanted to save Mobius and the other members of the TVA. We
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didn't. Yeah, so we didn't get enough from these other characters to justify
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why this Loki is so invested in saving them more than his own brother.
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Like he can came out and go back in time, you have to take
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to all this stuff. Now he can repair all these relationships that he feels
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bad about. We ain't see him try to repair his relationship, Like even
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though you think about the first story, but that would be that would be
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all of this for you, Dad, I love you that. Like we
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see that this Loki like he did everything for us. He he lashed out,
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and he made terrible mistakes, but like they don't even reference store.
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I think what what you're saying, but what you're saying with that, to
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me is way pettier than what his purpose ended up being. Like, let
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me go fix, like Nigga, all of existence is on the brink.
24:18
I want to fix my mistakes on my dad. That's what the old selfish
24:22
Loki would have done. I think I really think no question, like after
24:27
listening, you know, because of course I haven't watched it song. Yeah
24:30
that's right. I'm just like I feel like you know, I'm in on
24:33
YouTube watching you. I'm just you know, into it like I usually am.
24:37
But my question is because I'm listening to both of y'all, and I'm
24:41
it just sounds like it's all and you can correct me if I'm wrong that
24:45
it feels like someone's like like two sides of the same coin, but one
24:48
is macro and one is micro. Like the micro is like Loki throwing himself
24:52
in front of his brother and sacrificing himself for his brother, and then he
24:56
throws himself essentially in front of the online and this this god of stories that's
25:03
protected, that's kind of sacrifices himself in a sentence because he used to be
25:07
this really selfish person and now he's like, well, I'm going to protect
25:10
all these things because I see how fucked up it is going to become,
25:14
and I'm going to try to be some type of buffer like he was sort
25:18
of like a he was a buffer for his brother, but he so it
25:21
kind of sounds I mean, it's like I think one of the one of
25:25
the main one of the main differences to me is like, even because Loki's
25:30
never been a good guy before, he's he can do anti hero, he
25:34
can't be He's never good. He's always doing ship in the shadiest way possible.
25:40
If it works out for somebody, else fine, but but he ain't
25:42
really a good person. That episode five works so well for me because I
25:48
said he gonna kill Sylvie. That's the only way out of this ship.
25:51
She killed, and they pushed and they did such a good job of pushing
25:55
you to that point of like, yeah, that's what Loki does. I
25:57
didn't gotta do it. You would have even understood if a hero did it.
26:02
That's how as much of it they pitcheoned. And for him to say,
26:04
no, I'll sacrifice myself for everybody, Nah, man, I gotta
26:08
give it. That's I gotta give credit. That's character development. That's not
26:11
something the other Loki would have done. No, I see there, Brod.
26:15
I disagree with you. I do agree that it is character development,
26:19
but I think that it it relies that character development relies on the fact that
26:25
the other Loki would have done it, because the other Loki sacrificing himself for
26:29
Thanos isn't for his brother. It's because he knows what the threat Thanos represents,
26:33
and he knows his brother is that nigga who's going to get the job
26:37
done if he can't get it done, So he's like, yo, I
26:40
have to do whatever to keep this because the sun will shine on us again.
26:44
Brother, and he's been through it. I feel like that Loki has
26:47
already been through it where he's like, no, I think sacrificing yourself for
26:51
your brother not the same. It's not for experien, it's not for your
26:55
brother. It's because he knows the threat level. But in that scene,
26:57
it's literally the same Thor. You know it's but it's because he realizes that
27:02
Thor can stop Thanos, and Thanos represents a threat level that is going to
27:04
destroy the universe. He knows what Thanos represents. He already because he's been
27:10
with Thanos. He knows what Thanos' goal is from the first Avengeance movie.
27:15
So he knows what Thanos's about. So he's like, oh shit, yo,
27:18
Thor is the only one I know who I am. I'm not that
27:22
nigga. I guess what I'm saying is it's bigger to me than one second
27:25
of dying and literally the rest of existence. You hold in all of existence,
27:29
I mean, when you don't know, when you don't know what comes
27:33
after it, it's you know, god sacrifice in his life. You know,
27:36
no resurrections this time, but you do. That's a thing that you
27:40
do know what comes with holding all the time eyes together. That's scarier to
27:44
me. That's a bigger burden to hold it all together for everybody. You
27:48
can't even participate in it. That that's a bigger burden for that character.
27:52
To me. Eh, death is always a burden. So I don't know,
27:55
it's you know, that's a it's a you know, Tomato diary.
27:57
You say it all the time. So you can't tour that with me.
28:03
God who doesn't die, though, but mine is easy you get not for
28:14
God's once you hold the stories together forever. But that's why I was asking.
28:19
I was asking Rod, like, is that is what you're described being
28:23
the macro? Yeah? Exactly, Yeah, Yeah, that's why I was
28:27
asking that question. I mean, because they wrote a macro story, you
28:30
know what I'm saying, Like it's it's a meta story about stories, Like
28:34
that's really what Loki season two turned into. Like it's it's more of a
28:38
philosophy on timelines and uh and causality than it is on like just what happened
28:47
would be fifteen's family, Like, and that's a choice they made. I
28:51
don't I wanted to know what happened to be fifteen's family, but they chose
28:55
to make a story about like what if this one dude who was extremely selfish
29:00
and and and manipulative had an art that made him be the most important person
29:04
in the entire universe and he self sacrificed that fuck for everyone else that will
29:10
never know. So yeah, so I appreciate where he ended up. It's
29:17
just the way they got there. I wish they developed more. Yah,
29:21
I get it. I think a big problem with these series is stay too
29:23
short. I think that's every I was on a MC university and they were
29:29
recapping it every week, and that's a big issue with a lot of the
29:33
Disney Plus series. Period they are They're very short, and they want to
29:37
do a lot in a very short period of time, and you don't have
29:42
showrunners and you don't have head writers. It's this ship is kind of a
29:45
crapshoot. So they accomplished some goals, but they always leave something on the
29:49
floor with all these series. And if you go back and you're listening to
29:53
for our Nerves, go back and listen to every last one of these they've
29:56
ever done and listen to that, it's gonna be Yeah, they ain't do
30:00
this shit though, right, because you can't do but so much in thirty
30:03
minutes eight times, it's not gonna work because even like Falcon and a win
30:07
your soldier, I feel like we learn more about Bucky than we learn more
30:10
about the only thing we learned about Sam is he got a sister. Yeah,
30:15
yeah, you're right, and that is and that is an issue because
30:18
I feel like the two things that are very undeveloped in this because the causality
30:22
stuff is something that it's just something that's obsessed my mind since I was a
30:26
kid. Is the idea of free will is the idea of choice, is
30:30
the idea doesn't even matter, like because everything is happening according to a plan,
30:36
or do we have free will? Which one is it? You know,
30:38
because if everything's happening into a plan, or is it that your free
30:42
will is just part of this plan. And because you can't see God's handed
30:45
at all, you don't even know what it is. And that's why I'm
30:48
like, he who remains to me kind of represents that idea of God where
30:52
it's like it's this person who's overseeing everything, but he don't give a fuck
30:56
because bad things happen. But Loki overseeing everything. Bad things still happening.
31:00
It's just replacing one and I don't think that's addressed enough. The other.
31:04
Yeah, and I don't. And whether or not you know he's doing it
31:07
benevolently, bad things are still gonna happen. So I don't think it's like
31:12
any different than he who remains, And I don't think that's addressed enough.
31:15
It's little things like that. I don't think the idea of causality is really
31:18
dressed enough. But you can't do that when you're trying. But then that's
31:22
why I do disagree Rob, because I don't. I think there was more
31:26
time wasted in this second season than it was constructively used. I feel like
31:32
where they got to at the end, yes, was a good point,
31:34
but it's just like fast forward zips okay, care development, you know,
31:38
and if everything else that could be done, because we want to have shots
31:41
of quila and power. We want to have like the idea that Loki erases
31:47
himself in that scene and all that was like so right, it was very
31:52
much so, and it was just too many things for me. It was
31:55
too many things happening like that. I think that's what monumental. Why do
31:59
I care that quickly line on the screen got deleted because it represents billions of
32:02
lives. I felt nothing. I felt I actually thought that was really well
32:07
done and on purpose because in that scene it's really apparent that like it's a
32:12
job for the people that work there, and seeing it on the screen,
32:15
they now if they never go and show us to spaghetti, I'm with you.
32:20
But when they show us to spaghetti, like, oh that's real people,
32:22
Yeah, yes, it hit different when it's you, especially for Sylvie,
32:25
like for that to be the thing for her to be like, oh
32:28
fuck, yeah, this is real. You can't outrun this. I destroyed
32:31
everything. I think the other thing too, I'd say, Ben, it's
32:35
not about him making choices in the timeline and like keeping bad shit from happening.
32:39
The biggest the thing they that Sylvie fucked up is all of existence is
32:44
done. So at that point his choices are either kill Sylvie so that he
32:49
who remains can run shit, or I take up the man on myself to
32:53
keep everyone existing, because I care about my friends existing. That was his
32:59
full art and their rod. And that's why that's why I've said and I
33:01
don't, I don't. I don't like the argument that it's about show runners,
33:05
etcetera. But I do think that there was a problem with this season
33:07
because this season creates a problem that wasn't part of season one, and I
33:12
don't understand it because allegedly it's all the same people writing this. End of
33:15
season one, Loki says, here is this, I mean he who Raine
33:19
says when I die, it's canes all the way down, you know what
33:22
I mean, that's all you got canes forever. And then started season two,
33:25
it's like, oh no, the loom is exploding, blah blah blah,
33:30
all the timelines are gonna be erased. That's not what we were you
33:32
know. And so that was it was a problem created in this season that
33:37
had to be fixed this season. But that wasn't the problem that we were
33:39
told was coming. And that just was to me a time waster, like
33:44
I don't, you know, I can't. And even though it does allow
33:47
you to get to the point of now Loki has to make this big self
33:50
sacrifice, that's not what happened at the end of season went, and it's
33:53
suddenly like, oh no, I had this fail safe in place so that
33:57
you know, all this woo woop. But it's like that's all woo whoop,
34:00
so that we can get to this endpoint. And that's that I think
34:06
the thing like when they say it's not when he's trying to figure out how
34:08
to like teleport through time and he realizes it's not about the the the win
34:14
or the the mechanism, but the who and how much you care about that
34:16
person like that essentially, like I said, it's the meta point for this
34:22
whole fucking show is the it's actually more about the characters and not the uh
34:27
the bigger the bigger, like what causes? How does it work? Sign?
34:30
I think yeah, And I think that that ship will always like hurt
34:36
a science fiction show, which is essentially what this is. It's kind of
34:38
like how lost in it and some people hate that ship to this day.
34:42
Like what you mean is about the characters. I won't want I want to
34:45
know the science of how this worked, and I think you know, as
34:49
you can see, it's divisive, but there was a lot of time wasted
34:52
on the science here. And that's the thing. I'm I'm a lost head,
34:54
and I think Lost Box ending isn't perfect. I think the journey is.
34:59
And that's all the me which took place over how many episodes per season.
35:02
Don't get me wrong, but they had time. They had time.
35:07
But when they wasted time, I called them out for it. And so
35:08
when they waste time on Loki, I'm gonna call them out for it.
35:13
I'm saying when you waste time, When you waste time with twenty two episodes
35:19
for five or yeah, people don't, it don't hit as hard when you
35:22
waste three. Y'all were mad about three minutes. When you waste three minutes,
35:27
it hit different when it's eight episodes, And that's that's what I keep
35:30
getting to, and then that's really important. You like, I'll like y'all
35:37
are yeah, yeah, Like the things y'all are upset about are things that
35:39
could be solved with more episodes. But the but the margin of error with
35:44
eight is so fucking small. Three minutes can ruin something for somebody. Why
35:50
they give episodes money. Marvel's whole thing is we're doing well. They are
35:54
changing it up for this Daredevil, they're changing up forget mad episodes. Yeah,
35:59
this new there that where they say is gonna have new episodes. Although
36:01
you did see they threw out the writers and started over. Okay, But
36:05
but when you have more episodes as more margin for error, where you can
36:09
like fuck up and fix it with this one man, you lose somebody one
36:13
episode, you can't get them back. And I think that's what happened for
36:15
y'all. No, because, like I said, like I stopped watching it,
36:19
and this ain't like Moonnight, where I was like, when I watched
36:21
the first four episodes of Moon Night, I'll think there's a snowballs chance in
36:24
hell they pulled this shit together. And I did not think because as a
36:29
writer, you know, I'm not hold up. I didn't say you stopped
36:31
watching you. You assumed something I didn't say. I didn't say I said
36:35
they lost you. They couldn't get you. So you start having some questions
36:38
and then it's like why they eating pie? That's a like that is we
36:42
don't got time for this, is what That's that feeling you're actually feeling when
36:45
you're wondering why the fuck are they talking about jet skis or whatever they were
36:50
talking about. That that feeling is we are out running out of time.
36:53
We don't have time for this. If you think this is character development,
36:57
So I think it's a major part of a lot of these Marvel shows.
37:00
You don't get the fuck up, but so much with this much room,
37:05
and I think for y'all they it felt too fucked up, and y'all it
37:08
couldn't get you back. Like to me, they got me back with five
37:12
and six. I said, Oka, i' see where y'all going with this?
37:15
I mean, it was cool, it ended well, but like my
37:16
problem is, like it was from the jump you don't have Sylvie, Like,
37:20
look, you've spent fifty minutes and you ain't got Sylvie in your first
37:22
episode. Then that's something you figured how to write it room, right,
37:25
that's early. That's an early Like no, bro, somebody got to stand
37:29
up and be like no, like nobody did. Michael, you had a
37:31
comment that's my biggest issue with with with regards to season two A Loki when
37:37
you think about how it started versus where it ended. The only episodes that
37:40
matter are one, five and six, two, three, and four.
37:44
What was the point of any of it, like, especially because it all
37:47
pretty much got a race with him going back we go yeah, yeah.
37:51
But like so going back to what Ben a mean was saying, like a
37:53
lot of it was just wasting time, Like I don't care about any of
37:57
this stuff, and you focused a lot on the science, science and science
38:00
two, three and four, only to be like, oh, that's science.
38:04
Got the matter. It was about the people, So that what the
38:06
fuck did I waste three episodes for? We don't have the time for this,
38:08
It's right, but but but Rod, I will say it did to
38:12
Ben had agreed, like it did end beautifully for Loki himself, as that
38:16
version of Loki. It was a beautiful story for him. It was a
38:20
beautiful end, if you will, for him. I'm still mad about it,
38:22
but it was still a beautiful and I mean I just didn't like how
38:24
he got there. That's exactly what I said when I first started off telling
38:28
y'all how I liked it. I liked it for Loki, like to me,
38:31
as a character, he was served well the everybody else I don't know,
38:36
like even the TVA is an organization, Like I feel like you need
38:39
another spin off with the TV as an organization for us to even know what
38:43
those characters are about. But I but the show was called like yeah,
38:49
but the show was called Loki, and so I get it, Like it
38:52
was always gonna be Tom Hidleson and Loki's character that was gonna be the main
38:58
thing and everything else is kind of a shell game. Now, I won't
39:00
lie. I did enjoy some of the episodes y'all was saying, y'all were
39:04
didn't think matter. I enjoyed some of them joints, especially the one when
39:07
my man went back and became a movie star like that, especially that after
39:15
that motherfucking every scene. I loved him all the way through it. Oh
39:19
my god, he was possessed. And he came back dancing in you know,
39:22
he was talking big well, he was getting interrogated, but he knew
39:25
all the interrogation ship, so he was talking big ship that he's all of.
39:32
It was highly entertaining because they have people like Tom Middlson, because they
39:37
have Wilson. I watched these people do anything. I've never seen that woman
39:42
who plays Sylvie, but she's amazing. I'll watch her do anything. You
39:45
know that they had moments, but I hear what y'all saying they had.
39:51
I was entertained enough by those moments. Yeah. But but yeah, when
39:55
he thought that ship was, it was like work. It was like they
40:04
hit you down, okay, evil evil, Miss minutes was giving Okay,
40:10
I mean you know that shirt, y'all don't funk around, yo, that's
40:15
right there. She Eva came that season two. Dog, Oh my god,
40:19
the energy I get it. Like, like I said, I ain't
40:22
like that's enough. I wanted to see more of but it like they went
40:25
through it too quick. Yeah, because they had I think the time.
40:30
I mean, but the stuffing they went through too quick. Back to it
40:35
every time they don't have enough time and then fucking these shows up, Dog,
40:38
you wanted more miss minutes. They was like, that's enough, I
40:42
think, but it could also be something that could be solved by better choices.
40:45
I agree, WHOA. I think they should follow the I think they
40:51
maun follow the Netflix. I ain't say. I ain't say twenty two.
40:54
I said fifteen. No, she wasn't there double like fifteen thirteen, the
41:00
Netflix thirteen episode thing. It's like, like I said, I know all
41:04
the Netflix Marvel shows weren't great, but when it came to like developing a
41:09
character and taking some time, they had the time, so you could the
41:13
second and third leads in those shows. I know more about them than any
41:16
second or third lead than any of these Marvel shows. Foggy, all of
41:21
them, yeah, yeah, all of you, right, right, right,
41:23
Okay, but what the fuck about King now? Like, no,
41:27
we got it, like cause that's one thing we were talking about before the
41:30
episode, before we started recording. Is one thing we all agree is the
41:32
brilliance of how these writers either disposed of King but will never see him again,
41:40
or left it open or Kan will return and beat this big threat in
41:45
the King era whatever. What's it called dynasty? Man? Remember when that
41:50
was like, yes, that's like they completely fucked maybe he completely got rid
41:54
of all of this excitement. It's like, oh, yeah, that movie
41:58
just fucked up the one in history. Get us World records, how to
42:00
fuck up the band? That's like I said, that's I think that's another
42:06
reason I look so fondly on the series because I understand how impossible that task
42:10
must have been. Because when they said they were doing this and it was
42:14
coming out, I was like, Okay, I don't know what y'all think,
42:19
Like this shit better better not into with like Caine winning and shitcause what
42:22
y'all gonna do. And they wrote it in a way where you could literally
42:27
have him winning like it he could come back like say he beat this case
42:30
in real life, he could come back and be like it was my plan
42:34
that someone had the whole the time line together. This is my plan too.
42:37
I'm that nigga, and it would work. You could have them be
42:39
like, we'll never see this nigga again. They took care of him.
42:43
That shit would work. Like they could recast them, they could take another
42:46
character like, oh, this person's the next variant they did. They had
42:50
so much shit that they were able to leave on the table for the next
42:53
person to handle. Just I had to take a bowt for them there.
42:57
I think maybe that's another reason I'm giving the sit there is a lot of
43:00
credit because I thought that was impossible. But let me let me ask let
43:04
me ask you all this in terms of, like if if they do end
43:07
up getting rid of King because of what happens with Jonathan Major's I'm like,
43:10
who you think fucked up worse him or Gina Corona was Star Wars. You
43:20
know why it's him? Well, okay, first of all, you made
43:22
me think it could you could. It depends on how you feel about this.
43:25
I think it's him because the nigga can actually act. Yes, I
43:29
think so. I think that's like it's like, bruh, you actually had
43:32
like a future they cancel magazine Dreams, which people were saying might be an
43:37
Oscar Big Picture and they and Disney was like, no, to cut that
43:40
ship out. So like, I feel like his bag was bigger, but
43:45
you didn't make me think, Michael. If we go by talent, then
43:47
you could be like, she never deserved a bag. She can't act.
43:53
They was about to make a whole show, yeah around her. Yeah she
43:58
fed up the lottery. Yeah, yeah, you're right. But it's a
44:01
lot of either way, because you know, there's a lot of great actors
44:05
who you never get a bag, like John of the Major's true, but
44:07
it's like watching a basketball game and seeing like, man, Kevin Durant should
44:12
have won more rings as opposed to like, oh, this nigga hit the
44:15
luckiest half court shot at all time to win his ring. You're not the
44:20
same, you know, Robert or You're like the twelve nigga. You like
44:23
you like uh Swaggy p you know, you like Jordan Poole, Like how
44:30
Jordan Poole, Well he won with the Warriors, but now we see what
44:32
he looked like on his own. It's like, nah, bro, you
44:35
whack that's that's that's Gina coronoy I think Rod answered for all of us.
44:44
Yeah, there we go. But yeah, and I and it's funny too
44:49
because the worst part is he's incredible in this series. Like I loved him
44:52
the time. Now. Yeah, when he shows up as he remains at
44:57
the end of this ship, it's one of one of my favorite things.
45:00
Uh yeah, just to see he talked from Victor tom Ley. Yes,
45:06
I'm like this nigga. That's another That's another reason that those those those episodes
45:12
too through whatever. That's another reason I think they have those episodes in there
45:15
is to see him flexes like other ship so they could be like like when
45:21
he just turns out to be a fucking scammer, bro, that I was
45:23
not right for that. I was sure he was motherfucking the genius where he's
45:29
just like listen, I'm from Chicago to home with the Shadiocracy of the world.
45:31
I was like, this niggas a hustler prototype. What a twist and
45:37
bro, and then the meta levels of this nigga mocking his own fucking stutter
45:43
he made up for a character. Yes, as he who remains in the
45:46
city. They had some moments in this ship. Bro. Yeah, I
45:52
mean and once again it's boded greatness of these actors. A lot of these
45:57
moments trouble because, like I said, Owen Wilson sells nothing. You know,
46:01
there is nothing there. These ain't your fucking kids, Homie. You
46:05
don't know this family from nothing. You chose a billion timelines and this is
46:08
the one you chose where you suddenly had these two little boys. Whatever.
46:13
But he sells it just by him looking wistfully at nothing. You know.
46:17
I'm just like, wow, you know, you do a lot of showing
46:21
because they don't have I mean a lot of telling because they don't have time
46:23
to show you. Yeah. And even the friends thing to me, well,
46:28
he's like, because these are my friends and I don't want to be
46:31
alone. That's acting. That's not because the script made. I never felt
46:37
y'all were buddies. No, there we go. What I'm saying, you're
46:39
sitting in that bar with tears in your eyes talking about that's the homies.
46:43
I'm like, I guess say the homies. Man. We gotta we gotta
46:45
say the homies, because that's my problem, right that Sylvie sees everything disintegrated
46:50
and it's like, let's don't have a brew. It's like certain these characters'
46:52
choices are kind of you know, and then so and then so they can
46:57
get to the next point and then suddenly they're like, we're homie. You
47:00
know, it's whatever. They still I think they did send me the biggest
47:02
disservice of any action. It's ridiculous. But that that went alone when she
47:07
sees the world disintegrating and she's like, no, let's have a brew,
47:09
is like, what was that? What was that? Just her being in
47:15
McDonald's for five weeks as well, y'all couldn't think of nothing. I thought
47:20
she was gonna at least go back to where she got plann from and be
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like, mama, you know something something. Yeah, that ship gone,
47:30
Mama gone. But one thing I will say, though, if we are
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going to get more King from here, I don't like what they've done so
47:38
far with that character. Like this is the kind of the third version that
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we've seen in him, and every single version he's got defeated. He's gotten
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defeated. I'm sposed to be scared of this nigga, Like you gotta beat
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up by ants, like you gotta beat up by a man, and again
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you get disintegrated. And then now the third time you, he who remains
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now you, he who got beat up like you ain't you ain't there no
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more taking out? I like, I like, I like what I say.
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How am I supposed to be scared of you? Big multi versal threat?
48:07
But a man beat you? Yeah, his ant to beat you.
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And let's I'm saying. Maybe he'll come up and he'll be like, oh,
48:15
that was just part of my plan, Like you know, like that
48:16
uncle like I brought, I thought about this, This was my plan all
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along. Like great, hopefully that happens, but like right now, it's
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like, okay, you would have to kill a man to start Yeah,
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yeah something once again, like Marrow and the villains in the in the last
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phase, the villains ain't they're not villaining like they used to. Dog they
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gotta, they gotta. We don't seen too many villains at this point for
48:42
y'all to be like skipping y'all, y'all to y'alla through their story. Yeah,
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they gotta fuck some people up. Like is more deadly than Thanos?
48:52
Yeah, and like I get so technically he's more deadly than Thanos because he
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just stroying more t versus and ship, But like it don't feel like like
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it don't feel like he's like he's looking threats like oh I killed thor I
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killed did not kill you before? Right, It's and it's like the heat
49:14
because Loki, he he who remained no pun intendent. He who remains is
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the one who's the dead list, like that came the Conquerors, not as
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deadly as he remains, but he remains so benevolent with it. It don't
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feel villainous. Like if he was like, I fucked that timeline up because
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I don't like some ship they did, then you go he's a villain.
49:37
But he was like, I'm just trying to save everybody, but you don't
49:39
hit the same. And also because he's trying to save the sacred timeline that
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we've been watching this whole time, so it's like yeah, and even fighting
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back, he letting them. He's like, man, y'all, just y'all
49:58
fucking up? Okay, Like that's his whole art. I was trying to
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keep the story that y'all been watching going. Y'all want to see this other
50:05
ship like you know, okay, y'all want the old X Man back.
50:08
That's your fault. Ain't that good? Bro? I'm all fair and I
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love what if. But you know that it ain't Robert Downey and the rest
50:19
of the crew fam you know what I mean. That's the one y'all know
50:22
and love. I think the way they should fix it is they should recast
50:25
King and they should make it. They should make it Terrence Howard. So
50:36
we're on the same page, on the same page. That'll fix it.
50:38
It's the ultimate play. It's the nobody will see it coming. It's the
50:43
long And he loved math in real life, so he probably do got the
50:46
equations. He know. I was thinking of Gud from Guardians the Galaxy.
50:52
They got the same color scheme. Oh man, he did such now you
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know what. Let me let me take back some of my slander forgot.
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He was a good villain, fantastic. He was great. I loved him.
51:05
God damn he was good. Yeah. Yeah, Well he was holding
51:10
because you know in real life, he was holding like a tennis ball when
51:14
he was holding Rocket's face. Oh yeah, and this nigga was at ten
51:17
a god damn black acting school, Black acting SCHOOLA Davis with the State coming
51:25
out, I was about to start an Instagram account from my action figures,
51:30
and I wanted to call Black Action School I think I'm had to do it.
51:37
Now do it now? All right, I'm to do it? So
51:40
is that it for Loki? I think so? All right? Yeah,
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before we get out here once again, please start along off of Michael.
51:51
Let the people know where they can find you at Yo. You can find
51:53
me everywhere black gay comic gee, YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok everywhere.
52:00
And next thing I'm reviewing is probably gonna be I just watched Blue Eyes
52:04
Samuratis on Netflix. That ship is fire. Shout out to Michael Green and
52:10
his wife. Ye, shout out to both of them. That'sh It's pure
52:14
flames. Yeah, I was. I was surprised too. Ship man.
52:17
I'm ready for season two. Man, I ain't even finished the first one
52:21
yet, so I still got a few more to go. But it's it's
52:22
fucking I had to take that bitch sloking that ship's fire. I don't blame
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you. I'm about to go. We're gonna do a rewatch. That's another
52:30
thing Marvel could have done to just make every episode of Hour. That's another
52:34
way to get a lot of episodes. And I learned all the characters they
52:37
got every episode of Hour. You got time for b characters Marvel called me,
52:43
man, I can fix this ship and Blue Eyes doing so much like
52:45
with you know, Japanese culture, you're learning all this ship plus the characters,
52:51
plus the action is just Lord have mercy. Yeah that shit, it's
52:54
silly. So you know they brought in real stunt actors to do the action.
52:59
I'm sure. Yeah, but to me that's a surprise because normally with
53:04
animated stuff they just but they brought it. They showed. I seen them
53:07
behind the scenes. They brought real people fighting with Avatar the Last Airbender,
53:12
they had actual market Yeah, yeah, because you know, I think they
53:16
did that with a lot of the Star Wars too, with some of those,
53:19
with some of the Jedi fight scenes, because you know, they with
53:22
dancing and stuff, so when they do fighting, you know it's yeah,
53:24
that's something. Okay, I'm learning something new, y'all put me on.
53:28
Oh yeah, yeah, I remember. I'll never forget that when Beauty and
53:31
the Beast went for the Oscars and they showed how they made that ship,
53:35
and I was sitting there like, what the fuck. That's how I was.
53:38
When I saw the Blue spar thing, I was like, wait,
53:42
hold up, that was real. Now, y'all was real regime know whe
53:45
they can find you. You can find me on almost all the things at
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53:53
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that you find shit and check out. Drapetoe Maniacs is a podcast I wrote
54:15
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54:21
educational fun and it's made for black people, buy black people, and it's
54:25
not just like you know, trauma porn. So y'all check that shit out.
54:30
And of course, like I said the Blackout Tips, make sure y'all
54:32
do that. And if you loved Loki, feel free to hit me up
54:36
on social media. I loved it as well. If you hated it,
54:38
don't hit me up at all, because I don't argue with people on the
54:40
internet. I ain't gonna hit you up then listen. Just the only argument
54:50
I do over stuff is when I come on here and be like, but
54:52
I thought it was cool. I thought, well, listen, you don't
54:54
ever have to watch it ever again, Michael. But you know, it
54:58
is what it is, all right. You can also find us at for
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55:10
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55:14
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media platforms as well. And it's about it. We're out of here.
55:22
Happy holidays all that. You're probably already had your you know, thankstimming meal
55:28
by now, but you know, left the