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Wired To Hunt Podcast #115: How Joe Miles Kills Big Bucks On Small Properties from the Southeast to the Midwest · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan. This episode number one fifteen taying
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  Speaker 1: the show. I'm joined by Joe Miles, hardcore white to
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  Speaker 1: hunter from South Carolina who's consistently found a way to
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  Speaker 1: kill big mature bucks from the Southeast all the way
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  Speaker 1: up to the Midwest, and we're exploring exactly how he's
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  Speaker 1: been able to do that. All right, Welcome to the
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  Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick of Gear.
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  Speaker 1: And I just mentioned we've got Joe Miles on the
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  Speaker 1: show with me to day, and we're going to be
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  Speaker 1: discussing exactly how he's had such great success across the country,
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  Speaker 1: whether that be in South Carolina, Illinois, or Kansas or
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  Speaker 1: anywhere else. And you might be familiar with Joe as
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  Speaker 1: he's been featured on the Matthews Dominant Box TV show
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  Speaker 1: in the past and is currently a member of the
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  Speaker 1: Team two hundred show along with past podcast guest Adam Hayes.
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  Speaker 1: And I'll let Joe share a little more about himself
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  Speaker 1: in a minute, but In short, he's just someone who
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  Speaker 1: has had incredible success in a lot of different areas
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  Speaker 1: chasing big, mature bucks, and my goal today is to
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  Speaker 1: figure out exactly how he's managed to do it. You know,
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  Speaker 1: what are the keys to success for a guy who's
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  Speaker 1: killed well over a hundred deer, four of them grossing
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  Speaker 1: over a hundred seventy You know, That's what we're going
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  Speaker 1: to try and figure out today over the next hour
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  Speaker 1: or two. But briefly, before we get to that, before
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  Speaker 1: we get Joe on the line, we need to thank
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  Speaker 1: our partners at sick Gear who make this podcast possible
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  Speaker 1: and take a minute to share with you our sikest
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  Speaker 1: story of the day, and today's story comes from Sick
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  Speaker 1: Gears Corey Piersall. Corey kin white tails late in life
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  Speaker 1: and at first he thought, compared to chasing big game
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  Speaker 1: on the ground on Montana, white till hunting from a
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  Speaker 1: tree stand would be pretty boring. That is until he
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  Speaker 1: tried it, and so one on a hunt in Illinois,
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  Speaker 1: Hartley lodge Um and Matt their head guide there. You know,
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  Speaker 1: we had a blast, put me in some great locations
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  Speaker 1: and just opened my eyes to the environment, the world
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  Speaker 1: of sitting in a tree stand. Every movement makes your
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  Speaker 1: heart beat faster. Every sound that you hear, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: a squirrel, whether it's a turkey kyote coming in, whatever
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  Speaker 1: it is, it just makes you excited. Whereas on the
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  Speaker 1: ground spotting stalk you don't have that very I mean
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  Speaker 1: you have it, you run into it, but not nearly
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  Speaker 1: as often as you do when you're sitting in a
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  Speaker 1: tree stand and you see everything. I mean, you have
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  Speaker 1: three sixty degrees at your fingertips, and so it goes
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  Speaker 1: from dead static to just like heartbeat racing, just like that. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: and that that absolutely hooked me. Well, Corey, you are
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  Speaker 1: not the only one the electric excitement of watching a
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  Speaker 1: hunt unfultimate stand. That's something pretty special. And I gotta
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  Speaker 1: say I'm pretty darn excited for the first opportunity this
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  Speaker 1: fault to experience that it's coming fast and I can't wait.
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  Speaker 1: dot com. And now let's get back to the show
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  Speaker 1: and welcome Joe Miles to the podcast. All Right with
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  Speaker 1: Us Now on the show is Joe Miles. Welcome to show. Joe. Hey, Mark,
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  Speaker 1: how you doing today. I'm doing pretty good, although I
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  Speaker 1: just kind of realized that we are in a super
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  Speaker 1: muggy environment here in Michigan, and I did not set
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  Speaker 1: my a c up, so I'm cooking right now. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know you, but it's it's warm and muggy over here. Well,
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina right now is ninety seven degrees and about
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  Speaker 1: nine percent humidity. So I will trade places with you
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  Speaker 1: whenever you were ready, all right, I guess I can't complain.
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  Speaker 1: That's brutal. It is terrible. When I wanted to shoot
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  Speaker 1: my bow this afternoon, and I'm gonna have to wait
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  Speaker 1: until about eight o'clock. I think I'm gon shoot in
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  Speaker 1: the dark tonight. Yeah, that's that's the worst We've We've
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  Speaker 1: had horrible humidity to um. So I've been I've been
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  Speaker 1: trying to exercise leading up to my elk hunt in
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  Speaker 1: this September, so I woke up a little early when
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  Speaker 1: I went running early in the rain so I didn't
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  Speaker 1: have to be too uncomfortable, and shot my bow in
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  Speaker 1: the rain early this morning, just so I didn't have
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  Speaker 1: to deal with humidity. But it's tough to avoid that
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  Speaker 1: this kind of this time of year, man it is.
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  Speaker 1: I'm glad there's only about three months of it, especially
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  Speaker 1: in South Carolina. I am, I'm ready to get out
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  Speaker 1: of here. I just got back from a stone sheep
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  Speaker 1: on a British Columbia and that was a really good break. Man.
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  Speaker 1: We we had fifty five sixty degree one and it's
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  Speaker 1: got up to in the seventies during the day. And man,
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  Speaker 1: that was that was a breath of fresh air. Oh
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  Speaker 1: I bet I love that kind of weather. That sounds perfect.
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  Speaker 1: So how did how did that hung go? It went great? Man,
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  Speaker 1: I got a good ram. Um. It took us four
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  Speaker 1: days to get into where we were going. And um,
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  Speaker 1: we actually spotted the ram the day before. He was
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  Speaker 1: about three and a half miles away roughly. Um, so
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  Speaker 1: we actually had to pack our camp up, brought back
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  Speaker 1: up on horses, go a full day over to get
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  Speaker 1: to where he was, and set up camp. Next morning,
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  Speaker 1: we hiked up to where he was. It took us
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  Speaker 1: a while, but we ended up finding that exact band
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  Speaker 1: of rams and shot the biggest one out of him
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  Speaker 1: out of that band on opening day, so could not
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  Speaker 1: be happier. Wow, that's exactly how you want to happen,
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  Speaker 1: and that never happens for me, Mark, I'm always the
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  Speaker 1: absolute last day, last second of the hunt. But it
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  Speaker 1: was it was my turn to get one on opening day.
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  Speaker 1: Every once in a while, it happens. That's I lived
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  Speaker 1: for those every once in a while moments. I guess
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  Speaker 1: that's for sure. So yeah, so can you can you
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  Speaker 1: share with us exactly what it is that you do
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  Speaker 1: that allows you to go on these kinds of hunts
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  Speaker 1: and chase white tails as much as I know you do,
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  Speaker 1: and maybe sharees a little bit more of your background
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  Speaker 1: too about how you got to this point. Yeah. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 1: I um obviously grew up in South Carolina. UM played
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  Speaker 1: a lot of baseball, and I actually went to college
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  Speaker 1: on a baseball scholarship and tore my shoulder up UM
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  Speaker 1: and wasn't able to keep playing. But my baseball was
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  Speaker 1: a real passion. But but probably my my biggest passion,
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  Speaker 1: like a lot of young guys, was hunting. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I grew up hunting with my dad in the swamps
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  Speaker 1: of South Carolina, and uh that that really was was
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  Speaker 1: my true passion. I started bow hunting when I was
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  Speaker 1: about fourteen, and and you know, we've got a lot
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  Speaker 1: of wild hogs down here in a ton of white tail,
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  Speaker 1: no real big ones, but but but but lots of them.
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  Speaker 1: So UM got a lot of interaction with deer when
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  Speaker 1: I was really young. My dad, you know, he kind
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  Speaker 1: of showed me the roads when when when I was little,
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  Speaker 1: and then just kind of turned me loose and said,
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  Speaker 1: go make your own mistakes and see if you can
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  Speaker 1: figure out these uh, these awesome creatures. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: I worked hard at it for years, and then you know,
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  Speaker 1: went off to college and and let the baseball thing
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  Speaker 1: kind of fizzle out, and and then I actually started guiding.
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  Speaker 1: I started guiding um waterfowl hunting in Mississippi and Arkansas,
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  Speaker 1: and I started, believe it or not, guiding some elk
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  Speaker 1: and mule deer hunts in in eastern Oregon. I went
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  Speaker 1: out there on a hunt um out of college, and
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  Speaker 1: the outfitter asked me if I would stay and and
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  Speaker 1: learn how to call elk and and help with some
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  Speaker 1: of his customers. So I started doing that, and then
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  Speaker 1: he yeah, and then he he introduced me to um
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  Speaker 1: Safari Club International, you know, an organization being from South Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: and from a pretty rural area, I didn't know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: much about Safari Club and anything you know of of
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  Speaker 1: that nature. And and he ended up that that guy
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  Speaker 1: that owned that ranch took me to a Safari Club
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  Speaker 1: convention and I was introduced to that world, you know it.
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  Speaker 1: You know, knew obviously all about Africa and dreamed about
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  Speaker 1: going over there. And m So I started a hunt
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  Speaker 1: brokerage business. I saw you know, several companies out there
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  Speaker 1: that were basically travel agents for four hunters. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they would take a client that was interested in going
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  Speaker 1: to Argentina on a dove hunt or Africa on a
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  Speaker 1: safari and and match them up, you know, with a
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  Speaker 1: really good, proven outfitter. So I spent a lot of
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  Speaker 1: time you know, traveling in the beginning and um lining
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  Speaker 1: up to different outfits and and that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: And and that's kind of how I got started in
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  Speaker 1: the business. And you know, it's it's it's grown quite
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  Speaker 1: quite a bit since since we started in in literally
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  Speaker 1: in in two thousand, so we've been doing it for
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  Speaker 1: sixteen years. Wow. And so that that seems to allow
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  Speaker 1: you a lot of flexibility to go on some of
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  Speaker 1: these hunts and and kind of see some of these
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  Speaker 1: pretty neat places. Huh, it does you know. I worked
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  Speaker 1: in Africa when I when I really got going. I
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  Speaker 1: worked in there during the hunting season for about six
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  Speaker 1: years and ended up getting a professional hunters license, and that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, again was was the plan. I was going
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  Speaker 1: to book these hunts and then actually be the guide.
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  Speaker 1: And then you know, Mark, you have I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if you have kids or not, but we had a
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  Speaker 1: you know, I got married and had a son come
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  Speaker 1: along and and I kind of just got out of
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  Speaker 1: the guiding all together Africa and domestically and just really
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  Speaker 1: focused on the brokerage of these hunts, and um, it
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  Speaker 1: just grew and grew. And I think you know when
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  Speaker 1: when you when you work at something for a long
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  Speaker 1: long time, you know, it gets a little better and
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  Speaker 1: a little better and and and our business has definitely
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  Speaker 1: definitely done that. We still got a long way to go,
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  Speaker 1: but it is, you know, becoming more and more successful
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  Speaker 1: and it is able to you know, afford me the
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  Speaker 1: opportunity to go on some hunts. And I really thought
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  Speaker 1: I'd never we'll be able to do Yeah, that's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: Now with all the work you're doing with that sounds
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  Speaker 1: like you're I mean, you're still really involved with the
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  Speaker 1: white tail game too. Can you tell us a little
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  Speaker 1: bit about you know, like the kind of success you're
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  Speaker 1: having on on Big white Tails. It seems like you
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  Speaker 1: you're still putting a lot of time and energy into
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  Speaker 1: that too. Yeah. You know, I'm on the Team two
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  Speaker 1: hundred show. Adam Hayes and I have that show together.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I started out a real good buddy
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  Speaker 1: of mine, Mark Bank, that owns the real estate company
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  Speaker 1: in Illinois. He got me hooked up with Matthews SMA
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  Speaker 1: Bucks when they first started, and so I started working
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  Speaker 1: with that show and then started working um when when
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  Speaker 1: Tom Brandon started the white Tail Slam. Uh, you know,
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  Speaker 1: went in and did did a couple of seasons with that,
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  Speaker 1: and then did the the show with Adam the Team
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  Speaker 1: two hundred, and you know, growing up in the South,
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  Speaker 1: whitetail has truly always been my personal passion and especially
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  Speaker 1: bow hunting. And and as I alluded to earlier, we've
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  Speaker 1: got a ton of deer, but um, you know, we
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  Speaker 1: don't get the bone structure, the aunt where growth that
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  Speaker 1: they do in the Midwest, and and and so that
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  Speaker 1: you know, obviously, that's just kind of where I gravitated
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  Speaker 1: to and where a lot of people gravitate to to
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  Speaker 1: really chase these giant deer around. Yeah, it's it's hard
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  Speaker 1: not to to be tempted to go chase those Midwest
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  Speaker 1: bucks because there's there's something special about that part of
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  Speaker 1: the country. I can't deny that, um. But it's interesting,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with you being from South Carolina hunting the southeast.
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  Speaker 1: We get so many of our listeners and readers and
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  Speaker 1: everything they come from the areas like that parts of
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  Speaker 1: the country. But so much of the hunting media today
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  Speaker 1: is all focused on the Midwest. And we talked about
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  Speaker 1: you know, Iowa and Illinois and Ohio and all that,
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  Speaker 1: but really do we get guys on here who have
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  Speaker 1: experienced hunting down in the southeast part of the country.
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  Speaker 1: So I want to talk a little bit about that.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, what makes that part of the country uniquely
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  Speaker 1: challenging or different than maybe what people are used to
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  Speaker 1: up in Illinois or Michigan or Iowa or whatever it
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  Speaker 1: might be. Yeah, and that's a really good question. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of people aren't aware, you know, especially of South Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: Like for example, yesterday our rifle season came in. UM.
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  Speaker 1: You can rifle hunt, you can there is no limit
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  Speaker 1: on bucks. You can shoot as many, but you can
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  Speaker 1: shoot twenty a day. UM. And our season goes from
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  Speaker 1: August fifteen to January one. There's no limit on bucks.
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  Speaker 1: They do limit the number of those you can take. UM.
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  Speaker 1: You have to actually get those tags. Um. Also, UM,
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  Speaker 1: kind of a Southern tradition is the dog hunting and
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  Speaker 1: they actually down into parts of the low country in
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina, they still actually run deer with dogs, which
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  Speaker 1: is a pretty controversial thing, but they've done it for
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  Speaker 1: a long long time. And and that's still part of
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  Speaker 1: our culture and and and part of of you know,
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  Speaker 1: some of the hunting tradition in South Carolina. So as
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  Speaker 1: you can imagine the pressure that our deer under, especially
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  Speaker 1: bucks and and older bucks, it's it's insane. And I
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  Speaker 1: would argue there's more pressure on deer in the state
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  Speaker 1: of South Carolina than any other state out there. Again,
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  Speaker 1: we have a rifle season that comes in August fifteen,
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  Speaker 1: that runs to January one, and you can hunt deer
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  Speaker 1: with dogs. UM. You can obviously bait in the state
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  Speaker 1: of South Carolina. And there are a ton of people
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  Speaker 1: here that hunt. So it's the pressure is unbelievable. And
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  Speaker 1: to kill a four and a half of five and
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  Speaker 1: a half year old buck with archery equipment in South
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  Speaker 1: Carolina is quite a feat that that is a tough
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  Speaker 1: thing to do and and truly, um, you know, you
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  Speaker 1: get maybe one two opportunities a year because we have
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  Speaker 1: so many deer that do make it to that age
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  Speaker 1: class that are just a hundred percent nocturnal, and and
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  Speaker 1: you may get one crack out of the year. And
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  Speaker 1: if you don't, if you don't make it happen, then
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  Speaker 1: you know it's just not gonna happen. So tell me this, Joe,
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  Speaker 1: what if what if you couldn't travel to the Midwest
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  Speaker 1: this year, you only were allowed to hunt your home state?
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  Speaker 1: What would be how would you kill them mature buck
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  Speaker 1: in South Carolina this year? Right? So, how I would
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  Speaker 1: do it is I would use a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: same tactics that I use in the Midwest. I'm obviously
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  Speaker 1: a big trail camera guy. To do an inventory on
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  Speaker 1: a piece of property. UM, I personally don't go now
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  Speaker 1: into the swamps into these big plantations that are hunting
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  Speaker 1: a lot. I will go around the county, suburb areas
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  Speaker 1: and get a acre acre fifty acre wood lot. It
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  Speaker 1: was maybe a development that fell through. And I'll seek
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  Speaker 1: out those places that gets zero hunting pressure because there
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  Speaker 1: may be an ordinance where you can't shoot a rifle
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  Speaker 1: in there. Um, nobody has ever thought about it. It's overlooked.
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  Speaker 1: And then I'll set my trail cameras up in there.
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  Speaker 1: And and every now and again you'll find a pretty
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  Speaker 1: smoke or buck for South Carolina in a place like that,
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  Speaker 1: or at least a buck you can get a crack at. Yeah. Pressure, right, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's it man, especially in South Carolina, that no pressure.
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  Speaker 1: And and really the overlooked areas and and you know
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  Speaker 1: developments that that are kind of on rivers or or
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  Speaker 1: right outside the city limits, you know, those things are
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  Speaker 1: are gold mines because you know, you find out who
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  Speaker 1: the developer is. You know, they may want a little
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  Speaker 1: bit for a lease, or they may just give you
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  Speaker 1: permission to go in there and look after the place.
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  Speaker 1: So that those are those are a gold mine when
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  Speaker 1: you can find them. So that that's what I will
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  Speaker 1: be doing some this year and and and that is
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  Speaker 1: what I have have have done in the past. And
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  Speaker 1: and so once I you know, get that place locked in. Um,
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  Speaker 1: I'll get my el cameras in there and kind of
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  Speaker 1: do an inventory of what we got and then then
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  Speaker 1: start playing the game. Now, you know what I've seen
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  Speaker 1: in Michigan and Michigan we've got a lot more hunting
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  Speaker 1: pressure than say Iowa. You know, these deer here in
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  Speaker 1: Michigan are They're very different than those deer in Iowa. There,
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  Speaker 1: much more spooky, they're much less apt to fall for
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  Speaker 1: something like calls or decoys or aggressive tactics like that.
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  Speaker 1: Are you finding similar things with those deer down in
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  Speaker 1: South Carolina or is there anything else that actually makes
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  Speaker 1: their behavior different than some of these other well known states. Well, again,
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  Speaker 1: our book ratio is so screwed up. We have in
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  Speaker 1: some areas every one buck, so calling does not work
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  Speaker 1: really well in South Carolina. It hadn't for me. Um,
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  Speaker 1: you know it can you know, you can get a
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  Speaker 1: bucks at pension with a grunt. But like you say,
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  Speaker 1: the big addressive stuff, there's just there's no competition for those,
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  Speaker 1: you know, so they're not that they're just not really
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  Speaker 1: gonna come to horns. Um. You know, if you see
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  Speaker 1: a buck out cruising and you run at him, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he'll he'll come over to you. But but I'm with you.
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  Speaker 1: The big aggressive calling, Um, that's not a tactic I
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  Speaker 1: use in South Carolina. Um. I am all about the
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  Speaker 1: ambush and figuring out what that deer is doing. And
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  Speaker 1: then you know, strategically going in on certain days with
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  Speaker 1: certain winds that I know he's comfortable moving on and
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  Speaker 1: and and killing him that way, as opposed to going
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  Speaker 1: into somewhere like that and and doing a whole bunch
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  Speaker 1: of aggressive, rattling calling. You know, stuff that I may
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  Speaker 1: use in the Midwest, I'm definitely not gonna use in
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: South Carolina. Yeah. It's funny. You know, one of the
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: things we hear a lot from people from that part
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: of the country is that they can't relate to the
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: types of terrain and habitat that we're talking about when
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: we're hunting in Ohio or Illinois, Ohiowa. You know, we're talking. Okay,
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: we got a bunch of big agg fields and fingers
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: of timber coming out into it, and it's very clear
• 17:56
  Speaker 1: we're betting areas and we're feeding areas are And last
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: time to hear from folks down in the southern part
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: of the country who say Hey, we hunt these great
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: big pine plantations are big swamps. Like, I can't relate
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: to what you guys are talking about at all. I mean,
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: what kind of habitat are you seeing down that part
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: of the country, Joe, And how do you find deer
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: in that? Because I imagine it's pretty different than the
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: typical agg land that we hunt up here in the Midwest.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah it is. You know, South Colina used to be
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: a big farming uh state, and it gets really started
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: farming timber. So you get tons of these big, like
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: you said, pine plantations. Um that that are just acres
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: and acres and acres of of of of pine woods.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: And and you know, if that's all you've got to hunt, um,
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: you you hunt the opposites of of what you've got.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: So if you you or that's where you're gonna find
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: a deer. If you've got endless rows of pine trees
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: and then you've got a clear cut, your deer gonna
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: be in that clear cut because that's where the food is.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Or if you've got a little you know, you've got
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: a little a little spottle order, you know that that's
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: where you can find them. You know where the where
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: the smallest train feature is the difference is where I
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: tend to find the deer here in South Carolina, you know.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: And again even even with with like I was talking
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: about earlier, these these abandoned developments or whatever there may
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: be inside there. You know, if it leads out, that's
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: some to a little bit of crops. There are still
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: some some props around Colombia. If you guys still grow
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: some soy beans and some corn. And if you can
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: find those areas, man, those are those are money interesting.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Now you talked a little bit earlier about you know,
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: if you were setting up on a property like this,
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: you get your get your trail cameras out and let
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: those start to work too. And imagine you use that
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: in conjunction with finding these habitat areas. But how do
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: you look at trail cameras and how do you use them?
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: Lots of guys have different ways of using them. Some
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: people are super aggressive, some people just take inventory with them.
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: Whether it be in South Carolina or in the Midwest.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: What's your usual trail camera strategy. My first thing is
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: to do an inventory. Um and and here in South Carolina,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: I'll speak to that. To begin with UM or really
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: any any state where you can put out mineral or
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: food sites or you know, bait sites, whatever you want
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: to call him. Um, I like to do an inventory there,
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: and even if it's a nighttime picture and I find
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: a big buck. I mean, the first thing is doing
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: inventory on the property because if you if you don't
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: have a big one in there, especially after they shed
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: their velvet, um, you know, the only chance you got
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: to kill one, and a big one is in the
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: rut when you get a trustpassor that comes over, you know,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: looking for you know, looking for a hot dog. Um.
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: So the first thing is is to do an inventory.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: And you know, if I've got a real good bed
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: and cover and I get an earlier picture of that deer, um,
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: then I'll start position in my trail cameras a little
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: bit differently because I want to figure out exactly where
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: he's betting. I think that is before the rutt gets going.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: The number one key to killing a big deer, we
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: will actually be the second key. The first key is
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: having a big deer to hunt. The second key is
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: knowing where he bids. So if you can if you
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: can figure out why where he bid, n of it's
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: done because obviously he's gonna get up out of there
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: and move, and you can figure that out with trail cameras.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: You know, you you you put those any the likely
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: transition areas that he's gonna use, and you can figure out,
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: based on when he gets up out of that vedin
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: area and where he's going, how you can devise a
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: plan to kill him. You know another thing, that trail
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: camera will tell you that a lot of guys don't
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: look at his wind direction. You know, a lot of
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: times you put the trail camera out, you get a
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: picture of him. Okay, I got a picture of him.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: That's grade he was moving in daylight, wonderful. But what
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: they what they don't keep tracked of, is what wind
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: direction was that day. You know who he's bedding, You've
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: got a daylight picture of him. You need to have
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: a land log so you can look at that trail
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: camera and say, okay, it was Tuesday thirty on August sixteen.
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Well you need to know what that wind was doing
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: because that deer was comfortable moving out of that bedding
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: area in that direction with that wind. And when you
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: can put that together, then you know the next time
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have a southeast wind. Um, that he's more
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: than likely gonna be moving that way again because he
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: was comfortable, and you can you can figure out, you know,
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: a week length and where he's traveling that you can
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: maximize that wind and and and you know, stack the
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: deck in your favor. I mean, it's certainly not a guarantee,
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: but that's that's a pretty good way to do it.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: So when you're when you're trying to figure out that
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: betting area with your cameras, how do you I feel
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: like one of the greatest challenges of that is using
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: set getting those cameras out and being able to check
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: them without spooking that deer and making him not use
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: that betting area anymore or making him, you know, move
• 22:56
  Speaker 1: less during daylight. How do you manage to balance that? Yep? Absolutely.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: I like to do it in the middle of the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: day when it's raining, um, you know, and go in
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: that way um or you know, depending on where you
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: have them set up. If it's on an active farm
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: and there's a tractor moving around or trucks in and
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: out of there every day, you know, then I just
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: copy what the farmers are doing and I go in
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: when they go in. I go out when they go out,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: because they're you know, they're used to that. In South Carolina,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: it's pretty easy for us to find a bedding area
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: because it is the thickest, nastiest, unpenetrable place that you
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: can find and guarantee that's the bedding area that the
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: deer are gonna be living in there. And you've got
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: trails coming out of there. You can see the big
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: tracks and you don't have to actually have to penetrate
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: the beding area. We just want to know that there's
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: a big one living in there. Um And and you know,
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: I think even in the Midwest, you know, like you said,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: it's you know, a lot of big agg area and
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: then some timber drawls. Well, you mean you can look
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: at a map and see, all right, this is a
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: thick timber drawl, you know, and then there's agg laying
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: all around here. This has got to be a betting area.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: And you can set your camera cameras up on the
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: fringe and and then determine that he's betting in there.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: And then I think, you know, as you get a
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: better moon, as you get closer to the pre rut,
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: the rut, the deer more likely to get up, you know,
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: once they've got the velvet off their head and move
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit more in daylight. Yeah, So what does
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: that mean then that you hold off on hunting some
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: of those spots until a little bit later than the year,
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: or are you going in early season hunting in some
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: of these areas. As soon as I get a picture
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: of a deer now if I can hunt him in
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: velvet obviously, or when they're still pattern on beans and
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: and and all that sort of stuff, you know, you
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: gotta crack then. But I'm really not touching on that.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: What once they're out of velvet. If I get a
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: daylight picture of a deer, once he's out of velvet,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: and and he's gonna win, that I can hunt, I'm hunting.
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I won't wait. Um, if if I have the right moon,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: I'm a big proponent of the moon. And if I've
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: got a deer that I've got a daylight picture of,
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: he's out of it, all of it, He's moved in daylight,
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: and I get that same win. And I've got a
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: red moon, I don't care if it's in in the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: second week of September or you know, in in the October.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: Law I'm gonna hunt him then, because he's he's shown
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: that he's killable. So that kind of situation, if you've
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: got a deer like that, are you the and let's
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: say hypothetically, this is mid October or earlier. You know,
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: we're not getting to the rut yet. Are you typically
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: gonna try to hunt as close as you can to
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: the betting area or do you like to stay off
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: hunt the food sources and play it safe at that
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: time of year. It all depends on the deer numbers, um.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: You know, if you've got a lot of deer that
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: are coming out of this bedding area, you've got to
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: be cheerful there. So that's not a simple question to
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: answer because every situation, every deer will be different. You know,
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: is he coming out somewhere on loan? Um? If he is,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: then boy, I've got a I got a real good chance.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: You know. If I'm set up on the field in
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: October hoping he's gonna get there before dark, um, you know,
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and I've got twenty other deer in the field, and
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: i gotta climb down if he doesn't show up and
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I blow the plot up or whatever it may be.
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: So every every deer, every situation is different. And man,
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I think that's one of the reasons they're so fun
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: to hunt, is that you know, every one of them
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: seen seems to be different, and you you really, man,
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: you gotta lood and learn, You gotta try stuff and
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: and and and just remember and and try and use
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: common sense and and look at every deer differently. I
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: don't think there's one set way to do it, because again,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: every deer is different, and and uh, every every situation,
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: every farm has got different features that will allow you
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: to new different things. Yeah, agree to your point. That's
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: probably one of the things that makes this so so addicting,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: so much fun is that it's it's always different. You
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: always have to be learning. Every year is unique. It's
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: a It's one of the greatest challenges in the world
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, trying to figure out these
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: different deer. Every year. It's new and you you start
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: from zero and figure it out. Yeah, that's that's right.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: I mean the beauty is when you have figured it
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: out on a farm and another big deer shows up
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: in that same area, you're so far ahead of the game.
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: And a lot of times that happens. You know, you
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: find an area that you can you can get trail
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: camers in to find a big deer. He likes it.
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: He feels comfortable there. There's something about that spot he liked.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: You kill that deer a lot of times, another big
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: one the next year, we'll move in there because it's
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: the same stuff that that butt light, and it's set
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: up for him. Um, you know, like like the we
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: you know, the little twenty nine acre track in Illinois.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Three years in a row I killed great big bucks
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: off of it, and it was it's just twenty nine acres,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: but it was something that was very very little pressure
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: in there. It was a big place that fed out
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: to a CRP I mean, excuse me, fed out to
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: a big um agg area. And those big deer felt
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: real safe in there. And I would only go in
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: there at the absolute perfect time. And three years in
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: a row, I'll killed the one sixty four and three
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: back to back to back, and and and it just
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: that area was set up perfect to hold a big deer. Now,
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: you know places in Kansas or or Ohio than I
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: may hunt. You know, I may not be able to
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: keep the property um and may change every year. The
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: farmer may cut timber on it. He may the crops
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: may be rotated again. There's a million things that that
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: can happen. When when it's the same and you have
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: the the you know, a big deer that you killed
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: in there, and the same thing happens the next year,
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: you already know you're you're so far ahead of the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: curve that that you ought to be slapped if you
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: don't kill him, right and definitely it's definitely a better
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: place is and then starting brand new, that's for sure.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: So tell us a little more about this, this small property,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: because there's so many people that hunt small properties. You know,
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: most people aren't lucky to have hundreds and hundreds of
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: acres and prime states. A lot of guys have got
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: twenty acres or forty acres or ten acres behind their
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: parents house or whatever it might be. I guess, I
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: guess first, I'm curious, what do you think makes a
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: good small property, because I think that's at least if
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: you're in the process of trying to find a new
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: spot and you only have small properties to pick from,
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: finding the right small property can make a big difference.
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: So I think, I think without a doubt, and they're
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: not all created equals um. There's no question that there
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: are two things that, in my opinion, make, or really
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: really three things that make a small property uh deadly dynamite,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. The first thing is thick, thick,
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: thick cover. Um. You know, especially if you're after a
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: big deer, that's the first thing to you have to
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: go in there and hinge cut or it can get
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: permission to do that, or it just happens to be
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: CRP or whatever it is. Thick cover is the number
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: one thing I look for on a small property to hunt.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: The second thing is I stay out of there, no pressure.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: I don't want anybody to know about it, don't want
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: my friends to know about it, don't want anybody to
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: go in there ever, unless it's me and it's for
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: a real specific person. See, I think a lot of
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys. Yeah, they get a small farm,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: and you know it's in their nature. They want to
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: go hunt, They want to go out there, they want
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: to go walk around on it. They want to walk
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: in there and scout and see if there are any
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: new rubs. Man four and a a half five and a
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: half year old buck is found this little thirty acre
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: sanctuary and thinks nobody's gonna be in there bothering him.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: If you go in there, it's over. He is long gone.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: But but but it's it's it's almost like a little trap,
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: you know, that that little thing. If you can convince
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: him to get in there and that or that's a
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: place that he likes to go and feels comfortable, then
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: he's really really, really killable. You just have to wait
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: until the conditions are perfect and and you know, that's
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: the only time that you can kill him, like like
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: on the twenty night Acre track in Illinois, those three
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: years that I killed those deer. The first one I
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: killed on the second day I was in there. The
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: second year, I killed on the first day, and the
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: third year I killed on the second day. And I
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: had to wait. I had to wait, you know, I
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: hunted a day and then stayed out of there, and
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm away from my family and everything else.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I had to wait four days before I could get
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: back in there for a certain win. Um, so it
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: takes big time discipline. But the flip side of that
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: coin is that most everybody can afford to get a
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: small place. You know, you don't have to have thousands
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: and thousands of dollars to to to get these huge,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: huge releases. You can if you work hard, you stay
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: will cost you much and you may may get just
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: permission to hunt in there. Um. So that that's the
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: given the take. It can be a deadly trap and
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: make it really easy to kill a big deer, but
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: you gotta be real smart about it, and you gotta
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: work really hard to find it. Yeah. Is this twenty
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: nine acres? Do you own that, Joe? Or is that lease?
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I can't remember, I do not. Um, that guy was
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: talking about earlier. Mark Beck is the one that found
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: that lease and he let me hunt it for for
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: three years, and now he is actually gonna take a
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: turn and hunt it some um, which I think is
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: absolutely fair. Um. You know, I leased it. I want
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: to say I could be wrong here, but I think
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: it was seven and fifty bucks a year is what
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: it calls to lease it. Um. And that was the
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that was the insurance and the and the payment for it.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, that's you know, it is
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: a good bit of money, but it's not near what
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: some of these big tracks calls, right. I mean, if
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: you pass on buying the new TV or don't go
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: out to eat so much. You can say about that
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: money in a year and put it towards something like that.
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: For I think most people can can do something like that.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: But takes, like you said, hard work and choices, right, Yeah,
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: that that's it. And and in in seven fift year,
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: that's If that's too much, you're just gonna have to
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: work even harder and find one that's a hundred dollars
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: or two hundred dollars or that you can just get permission,
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: you know, to get into. Those are few and far,
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: but between what you can find them, I mean, they
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: are out there. You've got a network, and you've gotta
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: get with these people and and um, you know, make
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: it happen. You just can't say, Man, I just don't
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: have anywhere to hunt. If you really are passionate about
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: killing a big deer, if you man, it's just like
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: anything else. The harder you work at it, the more
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: successful you're gonna be. Yeah. I read somewhere that you're
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: pretty serious, or maybe at least you were in the past. Um,
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: and this article I've read pretty serious about how you
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: go about trying to get permission on the properties that
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: you that you really want to hunt. Can you talk
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: to us a little bit about how you have gone about,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: you know, finding places to hunt and getting that permission
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: or you know, access via lease or whatever might be. Yeah,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: you know, I think the whole the whole thing is
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: to be genuine, um, you know, and and really friend
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: these people. UM. I think that's the that that's been
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: the key to my success in finding properties. Is you know,
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: like Mark, for instance, you know back in Illinois. UM.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: You know, I met him through a mutual guy. He
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: happens to be in the real estate business. UM. He
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: had access to a lot of farms. He and I
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: literally became buddies because we lived how many states apart.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: I'm in South Carolina, he's in Illinois, UM. And and
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you know, our relationship grew as buddies even though it
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: was far away. He would come down and our families
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: would go to the beach together. He'd stay with me
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: during the summer. I would go out and hunt with him,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and you know, our wives became friends. And it's a
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: genuine relationship. The worst thing you can do is go
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: in and try and use somebody to get a get
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: a spot just to hunt. You know, you you don't
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: talk with him in the in the off season, you
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: don't stay in touch. Um, you know that that's not
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: gonna you know, they're they're gonna turn over to somebody
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: else or they're gonna see right through that. So I
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: think being being genuine is the is the main thing.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, let them know what you're after. But then
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: you know, if they're in in in the Nascar, man,
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: get them some NASCAR tickets. If they're you know, if
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: you live in the South and they like seafood, send
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: them some shrump. You know, really make an effort to
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: be friends with them, and that's gonna go a long way,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: um getting in acquiring you know, the different type properties.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: And then you know, also real estate agents. Man. You know,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: if if I'm in South Carolina and I wanted somewhere
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: to start, I'd do some research on where where big
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: deer were killed in Illinois, which counties. I'd call some
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: relators that maybe have some farms and stuff for sale
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: and ask them, you know, if if there are any
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: small farms or rural areas that allow hunting or or
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: dilapidated developments. You know, and I keep going back to
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: that over and over again, but man, that that's a
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: that's a great spot, you know, abandoned golf courses. Man,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: you find something like that, that that that that's still got
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: some grass growing there, Man, that that can be something too. Um,
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: you just gotta think outside the box from what every
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: other guy is doing. Yeah, that's one of the one
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: of the topics that we get so many questions about. Is.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: I think access is is definitely just one of those
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: issues that so many people deal with. It's tough to
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: find somewhere hunt if you're not you know, boring into
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: a family that has a bunch of land. Um, that's
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: it's a big challenge. Do you have any typical way
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: you go about actually going through the process of actually
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: asking I get this question a lot, you know, what
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: do you actually say? And I've got kind of you know,
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: I do a lot of door knocking here in Michigan
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: and other Midwest states, and I kind of have a
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know, just a general routine. Now. I go
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: through in each place to kind of, you know, introduce
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: myself and chit chat and you know, explain what I'm
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: trying to do. But I'm always curious to hear how
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: other people go about it. How do you do that? Yeah?
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: For for me. You know, funny um being in South Carolina.
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: If let's let's say that I'm going to um, Illinois
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: for the first time to try and find a spot
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: to hunt. You know, that's what I want to do. Man,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: being in South Carolina, the Illinois folks looking at us
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: as a whole, as being backwoods and you know, rednecks
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: or whatever you want to say, um, And I would
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: get him. I would get in my truck and drive
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: out there in the summer and go to different little
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: diners where the farmers hang out, and I would start
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: talking to him. I say, hey, man, I have from
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: South Carolina, um, looking for a place to hunt out here.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: You guys got any leaves they find that? In my case,
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: they have found it really funny that I've come all
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the way from South Carolina to find a place to
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: shoot a stupid deer and they are so apt, so
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: apt to help me. I'm not a local guy that
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: you know. The families may have had huge or this
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: person doesn't like this person. Hey, this guy from South Carolina.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: You know he's he's serious. He's come all the way
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: out of here. I want to help the guy out,
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: So I don't say I played a pull fruitiful redneck.
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: But but but I sure let it be known that
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: I'm in South Carolina and I've come a long way
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: and I sure could use some help. Um and and
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: that that tact it really works. I believe it. It
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: is amazing how just one of the things that I
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: found helps the most is, you know, even if you
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: know I go up to a door and I knock
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: on that door and this person says no for whatever reason,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: to your point, just continuing a conversation and asking for
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: their help. You know, you happen to know anyone else
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: I should talk to you. It's amazing how many times
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: that ends up being the way you find something that
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: actually gets you access. It's just talking to people and
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: asking for help and what it may not be on
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: their property, but lots of times they can point you
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: in the right direction, share with you a friend of
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: a friend of a friend, and who knows what they'll
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: take you? Absolutely, I mean you just you, you just
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: can't take no. You gotta keep keep pursuing it and
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: and and come up with was something that work. So
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: if it works with a couple of guys, you know,
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: keep trying the same thing. I mean that that you.
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: I mean, the bottom line is you gotta find somewhere
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: to hunt, so you gotta keep working at it. That's
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: the truth. That's the truth. Now back to the small
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: property thing you talked about. A big key to how
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: you hunt those and how you have success on a
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: small property like that is waiting for the right conditions.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Can you elaborate in more detail on exactly what you're
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: paying attention to? I know you mentioned moon. Would love
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: to hear more about specifically what you're paying attention to
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: the Moon and than any other conditions, whether time of
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: year when I'd love to hear about the details and
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: all that. Yep, I'll go through, um, you know, some
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: some actual kills. Um. You know there there are a
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: lot of theories and and ideas, but but I guess
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: it's it's sorry with you. I'll just related to those
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: three bucks on that little small property that person goes
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: through exactly exactly how I killed them. Yeah. First of all, um,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: the first here we called big lefty. Um it's a
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: non tipical on his left side, and he was a
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: uh you know, mainframe five point on his right side.
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: But anyway, UM got trail camera pictures in him early
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: after he was out of velvet and a couple of
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: them in daylight. And this was in September October because
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: it was the beginning of football season, because Mark texts
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: me the pictures and I was at a football game,
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: so I know it was the beginning of September October
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: when he um when he sent me the pictures, so
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: we knew there was a big deer in there. He
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: was out of velvet, and he was not afraid to
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: show himself in daylight, so I knew. I knew all
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: that stuff. Then he started, you know, becoming a little
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: more nocturnal. The pictures we got were a little more nocturnal,
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: a little more nocturnal, and then all of a sudden,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: he shows up again mid October. He shows up again daylight,
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: and it's on a red moon, one of our overhead
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: moons that the moon Guide shows. And I saw the
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: wind that he was on because I had a win
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: log for that property. Every day I would log the
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: win for for that part of Illinois around that around
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: that farm. UM. So here I know two things. I
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: know that he is cooperating with the moon Guide, and
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: I know that he's not afraid to move on this wind.
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: It just so happened that I already had a stand
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: hung perfect before that win. I needed a north east wind.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: He was really comfortable moving on that, and I needed
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: a red moon. So I waited until the next red
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: moon cycle was coming around, and I got into my
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: truck and I drove Illinois. Now, granted, nobody has been
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: into this property at all other than to prove these
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: camera cards, and that was done during rain. Or it
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: happens to be a hiking trail that comes through this
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: property that some people use, and the deer are a
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: little more customed accustomed to people going in and out
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: of there, so that's even an added bonus of this property.
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: So pulled the card that that was the only time
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: anybody had been in there. There's been no shooting, lanes cut, nothing,
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: The stands had been hung the year before, so there
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: had been nothing in there. So I went in there
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: as soon as we got a northeast wind and a
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: red moon, and I went in and I took actual
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: replacement straps with me for that afternoon and replaced the
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: straps on the climbing uh sticks and the stands as
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: I climbed up, and I had plenty of shooting lanes.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: And the day I killed him was the exact day
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: that he had shown that he likes to move, and
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: nobody had been I hadn't hunted in there, nobody had
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: hunted in there, And it just worked out absolutely perfect,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: going with what he the cards that he was showing.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: He showed that he'd moved in daylight on the north
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: east wind, and he showed that he moved on a
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: red moon, and I just once I learned that when
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: that cycle repeated itself, I moved back in there. It
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: also helped that it was towards the end of October,
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: which they're a little more anty than to get on
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: their feet anyway. UM, So that that's what I look for.
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, you can I don't know a tremendous amount
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: about the barometer and the barometric pressure and all that stuff.
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I know, Mark Durry is a big proponent of that.
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: I do know that they tend to move, or my experience,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and this is completely antecidotal, My experience has been on
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: a high pressure afternoon. Um, the bigger deer tend to
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: get on their feet. I don't I don't think I've
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: ever killed a really big mature buck, you know, in
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: an afternoon on a low pressure day. It's always been
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: on a high pressure day. And it seems like I
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: see more deer on high pressure days and I do
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: on really low pressure days. Yeah, it seems to be
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: a consistent thing that we hear from so many people
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: to those high pressure days rising and high high high barometer.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: That's that's pretty money. Can you can you elaborate on
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: the red moon? We talked with Adam Hayes about this
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: last fall a little bit, um. But you know, we
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: get so many questions still to this day, what exactly
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: whether you've got the moon guide or you're looking at
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: this and you just know when the moon rise or
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: said or overhead underfoot is. Can you just explain again
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: what this is, how it works, and why you pay
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: attention to it. Yeah, I mean I know, man, I
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: I listened to your podcast and I'll hop up on
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: a sup box for just just a second. And I've
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: heard the the q q d M A biologists um
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: talk about their study showing the moon doesn't have an
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: effect on deer and weather. It doesn't have an effect
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: on deer. I'm gonna I'm gonna argue that, man Auburn.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: You know, I've read studies from Auburn done by UM
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: Louisiana State University, Auburn, University of South Carolina d n R.
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: They radio collar dear, and this is recent, this just happened.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: And and um, there is roots in their study that
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the moon absolutely has an effect on on deer movement. Um.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: You know the radio colors, some of them last three months,
• 45:08
  Speaker 1: some of them last six months. UM, some of them
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: last lot less than that. Um. And and you know,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: I don't hear there's any effect. I mean, it's just
• 45:17
  Speaker 1: it's natural. The moon is a natural phenomenon that that
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: that happens, That affects tides, you know, it affects a
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: lot of things. And in all of my experience, even
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: when I worked in Africa, I had and an old
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: tracker that would come get us early when that moon
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: was overhead. During the afternoons, he come get us. In
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: those days we killed more than we ever and we
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: saw more on those afternoons. And that that was absolutely
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: He was an old guy that had hunted his whole
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: life in Africa, and and and he figured that out.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: So I don't you know, I would I would argue
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: that the that the moon definitely has an effect on
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: the white tailed deer movement from a sun scientific point
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: of view, where there are studies that show that it
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: does have an effect, and from an experience in the field. Um,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: and then you know, I'm going to skip over the
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: weather for a second because I heard that biologists from
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: q d m A say that weather didn't have any
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: effect on deer. Now, Mart, was he talking about any
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: effect on deer throughout the year or only during the root.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I'm a little fuzzy there, you know, I honestly don't
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: remember the specifics of the study that he mentioned. But
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: to to his point, one of the things he did
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: say is anecdotally, he and so many other huns have
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: seen the same thing as you and me, and that
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: whether mooning, these things definitely do seem to But there's
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: gonna be something with these studies that for some reason,
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: maybe it is the time of year like you just mentioned,
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: or how they're measuring increased or decreased movement, that just
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: because I think almost all of us have seen some
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: of these things, you know, noticeably correlated with increased day
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: daylight movement, it's hard not to me that some of
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: those things have some type of effect. But uh, it's
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: got to come down to the particulars of how these
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: studies are done and what specifically they're looking to prove
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: or disprove. Maybe that's kind of what I think. Yeah,
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: it could be. I mean I was laughing with Adam
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: the other day. What we all to do is say,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: all right, we'll take We'll pick two um G M
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: A biologists and Adam and I and we'll get a
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: thousand acres and we'll hunt it with the moon and
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the right weather, and let them hunt it when the
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: moon is wrong and the weather is horrible, and see
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: who's more successful. We ought to pool, we ought to sit,
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: we ought to suit that challenge up. I don't think anyone.
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: I don't think anyone would want to take those odds. No,
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't either, so um but yeah, anyway, I'm not
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: beating up on on on anybody too much. I'm just
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I've just seen too much, spent too much time in
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: the woods and just seeing the moon affect dear um.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: And it really is. It hasn't been my experience at
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: the phase of the man moon or or you know,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: the fullness or the half moon or whatever that in
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: my experience that has not had a tremendous effect. It
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: is the position of the moon. Um. You know, when
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: you get that moon overhead the right time of year,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: the right time of day, that that that's the red moon,
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: and and those are the days that that typically a
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: a bigger mature deer and and dear in general are
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: gonna get up on their feet and want to feed. Um.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: You know that it's a timing thing, but it's the
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: position and the gravitational pool that with that overhead moon
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: and that underfoot moon that that makes them want to
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: get up more often then than other times during the day. Ima,
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: sweet dear creatures of the gray they're they're they're moving
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: in the mornings, they're moving in the evenings. But when
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: you throw in their good weather and you're throw in
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: there and overhead moon, man, it just and that's all
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: you need is one little small bump in your favor
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: and you get it done right. Because because we're talking
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: can about in most cases right you you're looking for
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: when that moontime correlates with the last hour of daylight
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: or so, or the first hour of daylight in the morning,
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: like you said, you know, combining gray light with this
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: increased influence of the moon. That's what might just get
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: them out five minutes early, right that, that's exactly right.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: And the and the Deer Hunter's Moons Guide has done that.
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: You know, they put that thing together in the nineties
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: and it maps that out. And not only that, if
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: you if you can't hunt that day, you know you
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: you can't absolutely can't hunt that red moon day. You've
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: got to go another day. That Moon Guide will tell you,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: you know, whether you need to hunt, betting, transition or
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: feed based on the moon's positions. Pull that particular day
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: you can hunt. And again, you're you're gonna stack the
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: deck a little bit in your favor by by looking
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: at that um, you know, because it times the deer
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: when they're gonna be where. And uh, that's a that's
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: an inexpensive tool man, the ninth twenty bucks whatever they are,
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: but my goodness, the amount of money to spend on
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: other trail cameras and leases and roads and everything else.
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, this can actually that that tool can actually
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: help you determine when that deer is gonna move and
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: you can have the best stuff in the world if
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: if if your timing is all it's going to be
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: for not you know, I mean, it's just not it's yeah, yeah.
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: If there's been anything that I've learned, um, you know,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: in my kind of evolution as a hunter over the
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: last you know, fifteen twenty years, and especially the last
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: few years now that I've been running the podcast and
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: getting to talk to so many successful hunters, there's nothing
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: more important, almost nothing more important than proper timing, because
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: that's that's directly connected to keeping pressure low, which is
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: maybe the most important thing if you're trying to kill
• 50:46
  Speaker 1: a big, mature deer. So getting that timing right is
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: so crucial, and so I pay, just like it sounds
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: like you too, pay obsessive attention to all these different
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: conditions that might just give me that one percent greater
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: chance of the big boy walking through today being out
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: there during daylight. And if you line up a couple
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: of those along with doing all of your other homework,
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you've got a timber cent chance
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: better that you might be able to get a shot
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: on that day. And that those little things make all
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: the difference in the world as far as I'm concerned. No, No,
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: you couldn't have said it any better there, and especially
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: for a guy, you know, like myself and other guys
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: from from the southeast to travel to the Midwest. Man,
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: we are limited on time. If we know that the
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: moon is going to be great the last week in October,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: you know we we need to plan our vacation for
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: that last week in October. If this is gonna be
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: the first week in November, you know, we needed to
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: consult that moon and help it plan when we're gonna
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: be there. The weather can change and all that. It's
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: hard to predict that that for an advance. But yeah,
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: every little teeny thing you can do to stack gods
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: in your favor, you owe it to yourself for all
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: the work you're doing to do that. Yeah, Now, would
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: you agree that weather still trumps the moon. So if
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: you have a huge warm front pushed through and its
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: seventy degrees on November one, even if it's a red
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: moon day, that's gonna hurt you versus you know, without it, Yes,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: without a doubt, I would go in this order. I
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: would say pressure is your number one thing. If you've
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: got a highly pressured hunting area. Um, I'd rather have
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: five acres to myself than two thousand acres with twenty
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: other hunters. I mean pressure is number one. Number two
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: is weather without a doubt. Um, you know, like we
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: touched on high pressure cold fronts, you know, it being
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: cold in general. Um, and and then and then the
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: moon would be third. Those are the three, you know,
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: in that order of in my opinion, the importance of,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: you know of of deer hunting a particular place. All right,
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: So real quick, before we move on to our next
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: question for Joe, we need to pause briefly for work
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• 53:33
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• 53:35
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• 53:57
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• 53:59
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• 54:09
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• 54:15
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• 54:20
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• 54:25
  Speaker 1: this report this information kind of visualize this way, that's
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: what I would have continue to do. I keep hunting
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: the north and northeast winds, and I would have never
• 54:32
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• 54:35
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• 54:37
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• 54:39
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  Speaker 1: and now let's get back to our next question for Joe.
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: Very much related to this topic you mentioned earlier. When
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: you're when you're looking at trail camera pictures to pay
• 55:36
  Speaker 1: attention to things like the wind direction. And I think
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: you know, this is something I've been talking about a
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: lot of the past few episodes. It's just the importance
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: of of always asking why. So, like if you get
• 55:47
  Speaker 1: a trail camera picture during daylight or you see Mr
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: Big during daylight, ask why look at all these specific things.
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: Was the barometer high, was at the right moon time?
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: Was it because of a cold front? Was it the
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: wind direction? And figure out what correlated with this sighting
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: so that you can do exactly what you did with
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: that buck. You looked at what the two factors where
• 56:08
  Speaker 1: he did last time he was in daylight, waited for
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: it to happen again. Boom, you went in there. He
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: acted the same way. I think that's that is such
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: a key thing when you're trying to target these older deer. Yeah. Well,
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: and another thing, I mean, that's exactly right, look at
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: the picture and asked why. But but even more something
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: that did. Did the farmer just cut the corn? Did
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: the farmer just um artist is sewing? You know? Did
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: they just cut some timber next door? You know, look
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: at everything that could effect the deer. Um you know, bam,
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: he just showed up. Maybe he just got kicked from
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: somewhere else? Did did did you hear about a buddy
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: going in and walk in his place or something? Every
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: every little thing, did anything? Any intel you can gather
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: is gonna make you more successful? Yeah? So true. Can
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: you tell us about that next buck? You you told
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: us about the first year? What about the second year?
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: What was the specific situation there that you were able
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: to capitalize on the same type stuff um that year.
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I do not think that we got any um trail
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: camp intel um of that deer other than nocturnal pictures.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: We didn't get any daylight pictures of him. And I
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: waited until the very end of October to go to Illinois,
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: and I think I killed him on the fourth of November,
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: you know, before the rut got going. And I waited
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: again until I had a northeast wind because I knew
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: it had worked for that other buck, and I waited
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: for that red moon and that deer. I've got all
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: three of these deer on video, by the way. Um
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: that deer was actually betted in the CRP, and I
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: actually saw him stand up at four thirty out of
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: his bed and can I ended up actually snort wheezing
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: him in Um. But uh I I saw him stand
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: up out of his bed at four thirty in the
• 57:59
  Speaker 1: afternoon in six and five and a half year old
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: deer in early November. Um and and it was only
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: a red moon afternoon with a high pressure. It was
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: high pressure that day. Um. It was cool and it
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: was getting colder, a little cold front was coming in
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: and we had a redden moon that afternoon and he
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: got up and a snort. Ways can ride over to
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: me and shot him? Wow. So so these these are
• 58:26
  Speaker 1: both examples. Were you traveling South Carolina Illinois? And for
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: what I've seen, you know you do a little bit
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: more hunting around the Midwest in addition to that spot
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: in Illinois. Two. And there's a lot of people I
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: think that have this type of situation where they they've
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: got their rut vacation week or whatever it might be
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: that they've blocked off, and they're gonna travel across the
• 58:44
  Speaker 1: country or whatever it might be to their spot for
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: the rut and they've got seven days or five days
• 58:50
  Speaker 1: or ten days. Can you share this a little bit
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: about what you've found to be the keys to pulling
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: off that kind of traveling hunt. You know, you've got
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: a short amount of time, relatively new place from home. Yeah,
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I you know, as a as a bow hunter, and
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: the experience that that that I've gotten. Um, you know,
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: the the rut can be tough for a bow hunter.
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: When they're running and and and you know, you know,
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: they're they're under you one second, they're running past you
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: another They're all over the place. You see a lot
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: of deer and it's exciting. But I haven't killed a
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: lot of big deer in the prime of the rut,
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I think, big deer wise, the latest I've ever killed
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: a really big deer was like the tenth of November,
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: maybe the eleventh, you know, before the real break loose
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: face start. Most of my success has come from the
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: end of October to the first week in November, that
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: pre rut time. So I look at that as the
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: time to be there. And then if I want to
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: tweak it a little more, then I consult you know,
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: a moon guide and see when that red moon is
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: gonna fall during that time, and then bam, that's what
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: I'll set my schedule to go and and I can
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: do that, you know, I can do that. Get in April,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: you know, I can look at a at a moon
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: guy Shart in April and and determine when that red
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: moon is gonna be in October, first of November, and
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: I can set my travel time for for them. How
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: do you how do you plan? How do you plan
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: a hunt? You know, I don't know this this this
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: obviously is variable depending on the situation every year. But
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: let's say you've got seven days to go hunt this place,
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: and maybe it's new. Let's say, you know, like we're
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: talking about earlier. Yeah, you showed up, you met some
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: farmer in the middle of summer. They end up giving
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: you permission. You get to walk it really fast, maybe
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: when you're there in July. But now you're back in
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: late October, early November. You got your seven days. If
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 1: that was you, do you dive right into the core
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: or do you hang on the outside and hang trail
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: cameras and work your way in? Or how do you
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: approach that with you know that five seven day time frame. Well,
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: you know, everybody hunts a little different. Um now, we
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: can cheat a whole lot because we have those text cameras.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: So if you put those you know, you put those cameras,
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: those Cobert or you know, Reconnix. A lot of people
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: make the the the cameras that will text or email
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: you the pictures, so we we can cheat. If we're
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: out there in July, we meet the farmer, he let's
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: justus hang some cameras. We don't know what's going on
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: and what we need to do. But let's say you
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 1: didn't have let's say you you know you didn't have that,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: you didn't have a text camera. Um, the farmer did
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: let you hang some cameras. So you're gonna have to
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: plan your seven days. You look at the moon guide.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: You're going out there in in into October, first week
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: in November. Those are gonna be your seven days. Obviously
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I get there, Um, I will pull those cards. I mean,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: even if I have to go into the area, I've
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: got to know, you know, I've got to know what's
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 1: in there, and I will I will get those cards.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: You know, if the farmer and I've really hit them off,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: and I can get him to go in there on
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 1: rainy day and pull the cards out, or I got
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: a buddy that can do it, pull the cards and
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: mail them to me, or or you know, just email
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: me the pictures of a good deer um. You know
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: you will again. You want as much intel as you
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: can get. But let's say you can't do that. You
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: can't do any of that. You don't even have trail camp.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: So a lesson I learned from an old hunter, Miles Keller.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: As you hunt from the outside in, you know you've
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: got seven days to hunt. Man, don't don't bust right
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: in there. If you don't know exactly where that deer's bedding,
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: you don't know exactly what trails he's using. Man started
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: out on the edges and hunt into him. I made
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: a huge mistake in Canada one year. Um there were
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 1: two stands hung um between this bed area and food
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: and and and food source. One was kind of an
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: observation stand and one was, you know, kind of the
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: kill stand. And I was debating back and forth what
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: to do, what to do because I didn't have trail cameras,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: I didn't know where, when, where, how the deer were coming.
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: And I said, you know, you know what, I'm gonna
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: go into the to the kill tree. And I went
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: in there and darned if the deer didn't come through
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: down window me. And it was a big hundred and
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: sixty ins chocolate rack Buck, and I blew it. And
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 1: I had I set up in that observation stand, I
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: would have seen him do that, and there were This
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: was early so they were still doing the same things
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: every day, and then I could have adjusted that that
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: observation standing, brought it in six yards and I have
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: killed him the next afternoon. Um. But I blew it,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: um because I didn't hunt the outside in so in
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: simplifying that hunting somewhere where you you don't expect you're
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 1: gonna kill and you don't expect you're gonna disturb anything,
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: but you can see what's going on and tweak your
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: set up from there. Do you do any actual on
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: the ground scouting, like I mean, other than just observing
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: like you just mentioned. Do you actually go and look
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: for sign or is that something you're not as focused on?
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: I will do that. Um. Again, Every property is different,
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: Every property can take different levels of stress. Um. It
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: depends on the property. You know, if I like to
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: hunt the outside in as much as I can where
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: I can see, um, But then if it's dead, you know,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: and I've got limited the amount of time, eventually you
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 1: got to blow that property up. You know, you you
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: you've got to get down into the nitty gritty. Um.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: But I want to do that delayed as much as
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: I can. And if I don't have that trail cam information,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: you know, that's obviously key. But again I'm I'm I'm
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: talking from a point that we don't We're saying we
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: don't have trail capra intel um. Then what I would do.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: I would hunt the outside in. If I see something
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: that that I can move on, then I would obviously
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: move on it. And if that's not working, then yeah,
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to get down and you're gonna have
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: to do some walking. And in that case, I would
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: do the old hanging hunt technique, you know. I I
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: would get along the wolf and some sticks, and I
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: would get down and I dive into the meat of it.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: But by golly, I wouldn't be as soon as I
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: found it. I'd set my stand up and hunt right then,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: and I'd be right back there the next morning. Um.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: I'd hunt morning afternoon. And if you don't get it done,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: break it down, move to your next spot, you know,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: on that hot precious sign, set everything back up and
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: and and get after again. But I think it's important
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: that that people understand that when you do that, when
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: you want to do the hanging hunt, you need to
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: set it out, hunt that afternoon, and then ho a
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: lot of times will leave all my stuff in the
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: tree and go back and hunt it the next morning,
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: because what you don't want to have happened is you
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: go there and hunt, hang it. You don't hunt that afternoon.
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: That deer comes by there smells where you've been, and
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 1: it's over and you never even knew he was there.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: So hunted, hunt that afternoon, hunt it the next morning,
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: and then if if it's dead and and and you've
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: got another area you can go and look and hang
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: and hunt again, then move out and do it again,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: because you're you know, like you said, it's a limited
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: time and you've got to you've gotta you gotta get
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 1: it done. And if it's not happening that way, you
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: you've got to kind of force it and eventually you're
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 1: gonna blow it up. You're either gonna kill him or
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: you're gonna blow him out of there, and you know,
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: hopefully you'll learn something right and at least you can
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: see you try. Yeah, yeah, that's that's that's exactly your right.
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: What a specific sign do you look at as like
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: hot that Yes, this is something I would hang, you know,
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: hanging hunt over you know. Are you a guy that
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: really like scrapes or's rubs or what matters? What is
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: the sign that matters to you? Again, I'm ord of
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: a terrain guy. Um, obviously I looked for all that.
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: I think a ton of that sign is done at night. Um.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: But but if if if, if I'm creeping down the
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: property I don't know anything about, and and all of
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: a sudden, I'm I'm getting to the edge of a
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 1: big thicket and there's some rubs and scrapes coming out
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: of there that are you know, extremely fresh. Yeah, man,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: I'll I'll throw up right there and set up the
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: staying hunt that afternoon hunt in the next morning. Um.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: And I'm more of a train guy. I feel like
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: the in that situation, the closer you can get to
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: the to the thicket where they're coming out of the
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: bedding area, but the better off you're gonna be. Um.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: And and so I look, I love big scrapes, I
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: love a big robs all that's wonderful. But but I
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: still want to have the terrain right, and I want
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: to have that thicket to be able to hunt, because
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: if those scrapes and rubs are there and there's a
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: giant bedding area, more than likely he's gonna be in there.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: And a lot of the scraps, you know, they're done
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: at night and without Again, people call it cheating or
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: whatever they want to call it. I call it using
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: the tools that we've got. Trail cameras can eliminate so
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: much of that. So I can't put enough stress on
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: using trail cameras to do your scouting for you or
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: a lot of it for you. Yeah, So let's say
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: you did have cameras in this kind of situation while
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: you're there, how would you you know, late October early November,
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 1: are you putting these on scrapes? You put them on funnels?
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 1: Are you moving them every couple of days? How would
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 1: you go about actually using cameras in that deal? I
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: have I have screwed up there too, moving cameras and
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: and and trying to position them in season when I'm hunting,
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 1: and and having deer come by and smell them and
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: and run the The Team two hundred show that aired
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: last night was um I think it will air again
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: later this week was of my Kansas kill in this
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: this past November. And you watch this buck come up
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: out of this bottom of the dough and I've been
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: in and checked that covert camera that earlier that day,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: and he smells it and cranes his neck around and
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: looks at that camera and he about blows out of there,
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: but he's with a hot dough, um, and and and
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: he ended up staying with her and I was able
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: to kill him. But that that's man. I want those
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: cameras in areas I think the deer are gonna be traveling, um.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: And you know if you if you show up that
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: that's every again. Everything is so different. To to put
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: that into a cookie cutter equation is difficult because I
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: can't say there aren't times that I moved to camera
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: from from a trail or a funnel area on top
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: of a big fresh scrape, because I want to know
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: what deer that was. Maybe you do it at night,
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: but I know there's a booner in there now, and
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: you know, hopefully the camera didn't booger him up, and
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna concentrate on that area a little more so
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: you know I've I've done that. But but theoretically or
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: or practically, Um, you know, if you can put the
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: cameras in there earlier and leave them and not move
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: them around, the deal will get used to them. Um.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 1: You know, I try and hide my camera some or
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: hang them a little higher than normal. Um because you know,
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: bigger deer like you well know man when you mess
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: with their bedroom and they can pick it out and
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 1: they can find those cameras. Um. So yeah, again, every
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: situation is different. But hopefully when you were there in
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: July getting things set up, you put the cameras out
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: and if you can't get the farmer to go in
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: and pull the cards for you on rainy day and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 1: you gotta wait till you get there, or you just
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: gotta go in and check them. You gotta know what's there.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: So you go in as sent free as you possibly can,
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 1: pull the cards, replace the card with another card, get
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: out of there, do your inventory and then see what
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: you got and then you can you can adjust from there.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: How often would you check those cameras during the season,
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: Is that like just once the beginning or would you
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: every several days? You know? Again, and I hate to
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: not answer things and emphatically, but but if it just
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: depends on what's going on, if it's if it's if
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: it's dead, and I will check my cameras more often.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: You know, again, I've got limited time. I can be there.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: If I've got a giant bood and Crockett boom and
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: Crockett in there that showed up in in one time
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: in daylight in the last two weeks, Buddy, I ain't
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: gonna wait until time is perfect. I'm getting my butt
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: out of there, and I'm gonna go back in there
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: when when, when the time is it's perfect to kill him. Um.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: And now if I don't kill him, you know it,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: within a couple of days, then I might check the
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 1: cameras again, and you know what, I might move them
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: around again, because I've got limited amount of time. You know.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: With these guys that own these giant farms and Iowa
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: and Illinois and live on them, you know that they
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: can be a little more patient. But for a traveling huner, um,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to be a little more aggressive, and
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do things a little more untraditional.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: And so yeah, I mean to say, and that does
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: break the rules, you know, to get in there and
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: and tromp up the place. And move a camera to
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 1: another area. Um, you know that that that does. But
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: if but if it's dead for you and you're not
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 1: getting you're not seeing anything, nothing's happening you, you can't
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: just sit there and and and hope. You gotta sometimes
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: make it at Yeah, that's tough. You gotta know when
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: to swing for the fences and when to hold back
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 1: and wait and and making that decision is definitely one
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: of the toughest in that type of situation, no no
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: question about it. And and and again that that's why
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: I'm so done fun. And you're gonna make a mistake,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean you can't. You can't beat yourself up.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: I mean I did that there in in in Canada
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: like that, and you know, I wan't picked off about
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: it for a little bit, but man, I learned. I
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: won't ever do that again. And if I'm never put
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: in that situation again, I know exactly what to do.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: I learned. I learned the hard way. Um. And so yeah,
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: you get in there and you're propping up and you
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: don't feel anything, and and you blow a big one
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: out of there, Well, you know what you learned, and
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: and you just gotta move on. What do you typically now,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 1: on average, let's say you're, you know, walking through property
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: or heading to your tree stand or whatever. You spook
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: a big shooter buck, you see him run off. What's
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: going through your mind at that point? How do you?
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: How do you adjust? Do you? Are you the type
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: that goes and hunts right there, you know, bumping dump,
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: or do you back out night without a doubt. I'm
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 1: hunting right there the next day. I'm not there right then,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna if i'm if I'm walking in the hanging standard,
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: I'm walking in and check Cameron, I jump a great
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: big deer out of his bed. Um, I'm going to
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 1: stop everything I'm doing. I'm going to set up a
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: stand where i can shoot into that bed, and I'm
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 1: gonna make sure I've got the wind right on the
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 1: direction i think he's going to enter back into that bed.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna hope that he didn't smell on me. Um,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 1: but I'm going to hunt right there that um that afternoon,
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: and I will be right back in there real early
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: the next morning. Um. So yeah, the old Andre the
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: Quisto bumping dump. Yeah. Um, I have not fortunately ever
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: done that. I've never had a situation where I've done that.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: But if I did do that, that that that is
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: what I would do. Yeah, it's uh, the old Andrew
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: the Quisto move is legendary and um it's it's pretty
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: interesting to think about, and it's a great way to
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: take advantage of what a lot of people think is
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: a really bad thing to have happened when you bump
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: a big deer. But um, you know, in this kind
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: of way you can take advantage of because you just
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: even though you spooked that deer, you just uncovered one
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: of the most valuable pieces of the puzzle. You know
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: exactly where he was better. So if you're willing to
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: take advantage of that, it's kind of hell, Mary, right,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: I mean, either it's going to work or you're gonna
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: you know, Booker into his bedroom. But yeah, well you
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: you you messed him up so sim because that you
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: go around and finding another spot to kill him. He
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: just got Trump three more stuff and everything else. You've
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: already done the damage. You've either done a great thing
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: and he didn't know what you are and he's gonna
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: be right back in there because his bed worked and
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 1: he got out of there safely, or you blown him
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: out of the country. One of the two, so might
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: as well might as well given the given a shot.
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: But back to Andre, he and I'll leave the moon
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: alone after this. But Andre and he wasn't paid by
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: anybody to say anything. He was a big, big proponent
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: of Jeff Murray's Moon Guide and using that overhead in
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: that Red Moon. I mean he was. He was really
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: old big on that. If you look at some some
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: old vintage footage of white telendictions and listen to him
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 1: talk about talk about the moon, um, you know, it's
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: he was a big, big proponent of the moon. Yeah.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: That that was one of the things I noticed too,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: and one of the reasons why i've you know, begun
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: to pay more attention to it. And you know, for me,
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: I'm still trying to test the theory. You know, I've
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: heard a lot of people talk about how this can work.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: Some people will say, well, I don't know. I'm at
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 1: this point, you know, trying to start correlating the data,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: you know, okay, matching up what I've seen versus what
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 1: the moon was. Paying attention to this is either way,
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: it's pretty fascinating stuff to try and pay attention to.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: But when you hear people like like you, or Adam
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 1: or Andre or Dan Infault or whoever it is who
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: consistently are seeing this help them. It's hard to argue
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 1: that there that there's not something there. Um. So I'm
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: I'm intrigued with it, and uh, I need to get
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: myself the guide for this year because I'm definitely gonna
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 1: be watching it. Um. I'm curious when it comes to
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: that time of year in general. You know, on average,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: are you what's your your favorite type of rut set up?
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: I guess you know, there's some guys that love betting years,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: there's some guys that want to be in your traditional
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: pinch point. Do you have like a favorite like if
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: you could pick the ideal rut set up, what would
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: that look like? I like, I like the flickets, man.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: I like thick areas, CRP fields, um, thick areas. I
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: just it seems like but most all the big deer
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: that I have killed have come out of come out
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: of CRP or out of thickets and and and that's
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: just from a personal standpoint. You know, a lot of guys,
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: you know the ruts going on hunt where the those are? Yeah?
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: But I think of you know, the deer whereafter the
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: great big ones. A lot of times they'll go into
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 1: those bough areas, pick those dose up at night and
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: then bring them into a thicket you know, heard them
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: in there, and keep them into there, you know, in
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: their their domain. So so for me, um, you know,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 1: I'm a big thicket guy. When the ruts were you know,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: about to get going or on the edges of the thicket. Again,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: i haven't had a tremendous amount of success during the
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: heat of the rut. Um. You know I've I've normally
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 1: had my success pretty rut. But um, you know obviously
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: I've hunted my butt off during the rut. So tickets, um,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: all day sits followed by you know, uh, real good
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: fun rules um and can bottle neck areas uh, because
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: you know, when those bucks are really out traveling, you know,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: if you get them in between the dough, you know,
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: those all day sits and those funnels and bottlenecks can
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: be be be really good. And you know, I've seen
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: a lot of guys kill them on on food plots
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: where they come all the way out in the food
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: plot and they're running the doors around the food plots.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I see that on sports and the Channel
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: and and outdoor channel every night, so you know they
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: kill them. They kill him the right on those food
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: plots too, but from yep, so from a personal standpoint,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: and and not having the luxury of a five thousand
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: maker um plantation in Iowa with pristine food plots, I
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: like a big normally thicket and sit there all day.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: When it comes to those think it's usually do you
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: like to be right in the middle of them, or
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: usually hunting down wind of them, you know, waiting for
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 1: something to cruise down whin and try to smell them out. Yeah, that,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: and and I don't like to get right in the
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: middle of them, because I gotta get you know, get
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: out of there at some point. I like to hunt
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: on the edges of him where I can see over
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: into him, you know, being to call it something if
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: there's a bunk coming through there alone. Um, I don't
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 1: like to get right in the middle. And yeah, I
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: will look at it from a math standpoint and figure
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 1: out where I think the deer is gonna be coming
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: from and get to get the wind right and especially
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 1: if he's coming by there, you know that he's gonna
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 1: enter that where the winds in his favor. You know
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: he's gonna send check it, want to check for hunters,
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: want to check for predators in general, and wanting to
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: find a hot though. So he's going to use that
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: wind to get into that thicket. And of course you've
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: got to pay attention to that. But yeah, I don't
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: like to get in the absolute the middle of it. Um,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: that's not my that's not my speed. Yeah. Yeah, like
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: you said, that's an interesting thing you brought up to,
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: Like full access issue, access and exit, that's such an
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: important thing that h Sometimes when we start talking about
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: the rut, I think people kind of throw that out
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: the window and stop worrying about access and exit and
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: making sure you've got a stealthy to get in and out.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 1: But do you do you still pay attention to that?
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: Is that something that's important to you even during that
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: period time when deer a little bit crazy, not not
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: super I mean again, I want to not not like
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: early season when inner and eggs in a pre rut
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: is so so important when the when the ruts going
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 1: just haywire crazy. Um, you know, you gotta get in
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: the right spot. And if that means giving up a
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: little bit on your entry and exit that you know,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 1: by all means. Um, you know, you gotta get in there.
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: And if you're gonna be sitting all day, you're you're
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: only coming in you know, and out one time. Um.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: And so I still think you need to pay attention
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: to it, but that doesn't need to be the number
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: one factor. Yeah, that's kind of what I've seen too.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: It seems like when you're ranking those things in order
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: of importance, it shifts during the rut a little bit.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: And uh, like you said, you've got to be in
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: the right place in a lot of cases, right, you
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 1: might spook some deer in the morning walking in let's say,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: if you've got a subpar access route, but the buck
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: that's gonna roll through their noon, maybe he might have
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: been a mile away. So exactly right, exactly right. Yeah,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: if it looks good, man, don't don't don't don't don't
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: not hunt it because you can't get into it during
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 1: the run, you know, get into it, take your lamps
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: and then and then get ready for the mid morning,
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: middle day, early afternoon. E've been hunt and you're you're
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: already where you need to be. Yeah, so what do
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: you have? Where are you hunting this coming fall? Joe
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 1: I am leaving Yep, I am leaving UH thet of August,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: and I'm flying up to Edmonds and Alberta. UM. I've
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: got a buddy up there that uh has some really
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: good property that's north of the bozone and close to
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: the Saskatchewan Boarder. Um. He does do some outfitting. UM.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm going to hunt with him for seven or
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  Speaker 1: eight days and we're gonna hunt. You're here in the
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  Speaker 1: morning in white tail over alfalfa and um canola in
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  Speaker 1: the evenings, so that that's my my my first hunt,
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  Speaker 1: and then um, depending on I've got cameras in Illinois,
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  Speaker 1: got cameras in Kansas that are already going and showing
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  Speaker 1: some pretty good deer um, you know, waiting for Velvet
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  Speaker 1: to get off to see what's what's gonna happen there.
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  Speaker 1: So I'll be hunting in Illinois, in Kansas during the
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  Speaker 1: pre rut um, you know rut time frame, and even
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  Speaker 1: before then if if if something big hard horned is daylighting, um,
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  Speaker 1: and then I always finish out the year UM in Texas.
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  Speaker 1: I take my son down to Texas and he rifle
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  Speaker 1: hunts and I bow hunt. We we've got a little
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  Speaker 1: least down there this this free range, and it's a
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  Speaker 1: lot of fun. There aren't a bunch of giants on there,
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  Speaker 1: but there are a bunch of a bunch of nice
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  Speaker 1: deer and and I love hunting with my son. He's
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  Speaker 1: twelve now and and so that's a real special time
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  Speaker 1: for us. And and so that's where I'll finish out
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  Speaker 1: the year. Sounds like a good, great, a great set
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  Speaker 1: of plans. There somefin here. Man. I'm excited. I can't wait,
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  Speaker 1: can't get here soon enough. And it's gonna be here
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  Speaker 1: soon August thirty. We are not far from that at all.
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  Speaker 1: I know. I leave just after that from my own
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  Speaker 1: early season white Tail trip, and I'm I'm just beginning
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  Speaker 1: to panic a little bit because I'm not sure I've
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  Speaker 1: got everything ready. So I get Yeah, I know the feeling.
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  Speaker 1: It's uh, it'll be here before we know it. And
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  Speaker 1: the broad edge need to be sharp, and the boat
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  Speaker 1: needs to be tuned. There's no doubt about it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta be prepared. So a final question for it, Joe,
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  Speaker 1: you know, being a member of team two hundred and
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: hanging out with people like Adam and all those guys
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  Speaker 1: and all the other you know, successful hunters, I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: you've been able to be around. Is there anything that
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  Speaker 1: you've found that all these most successful hunters you know
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: have in common or that they do differently than the
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: average hunter. If there's anything in addition what we've already
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: talked about, yep, yep, it is it is really really simple.
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  Speaker 1: I think a lot of guys get to the same
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  Speaker 1: level of of hunting prowess or hunting skill. I don't
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  Speaker 1: think that there's some super human hunting ninja um that's
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: so much better that than somebody helps. I think a
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: lot of guys have the same same level of hunting skills,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: and it is a skill you developed, but I think
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people can can get there. Um. The
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  Speaker 1: difference I have seen to the guys that consistently kill
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: really big deer is they work extremely hard at it.
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  Speaker 1: They are They run, and they and and financially to
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: many they sacrifice, and they've got the trail cameras, they've
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: got the leases. Um. You know, they're not necessarily rich
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  Speaker 1: men by any stretch. You know. I hear that. It
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: makes me so mad, But he's just rich. He you know,
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: he's hunting in the best areas. That's not true. Some
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: of the best white tail hunters I know are are
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: are very very blue collar, humble means eyes, but they
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: sacrifice financially and they work their butts off to kill
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: these big deer. They're constantly looking for new places. They're
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: constantly out scouting in the summer's glass and bean fields.
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: They're they're spending you know, all they can spend on
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: trail cameras and getting into the best properties they can get.
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: But but they're working their butts off. So if there's
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: one common denominator between all the good deer hunters that
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: I know and have associated with, they work really hard
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: at it. I'd have to say I've seen the same thing.
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  Speaker 1: There's some there's some things that there's not any kind
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  Speaker 1: of secret tactic. It's just simply putting your putting your
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: time in energy where your mouth is, and putting in
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: the work. That's it, man, common sense, common sense, really
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: studying what's going on and working hard, and and you'd
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: be as absolutely as good as any other hunter on
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: the planet. Yeah. So, Joe, if people want to learn
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: more about what you're doing with the with the hunts,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: the broker the brokering there, or you know, watch your
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: episodes on Team two. Where can they go find that
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: stuff online? Yeah, my my company is Sporting Adventures International,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: and the website is sporting a d V dot com
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: like Alpha David Victor short for Adventures, So Sporting a
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: DV dot com is is my website for for my company.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: And then UM two dot com is the Team two
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: hundred website dot com UM and a lot of the
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: episodes post up on there. And then obviously the show
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: is running now at seven thirty on Monday nights on
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: the Sports for channel right for Monday night football. UM
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: once that gets started, and um did it runs a
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: couple of times later in the week as well, So
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: if people just keep over the show or record it,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: you know they'll be able to see it. But it's
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: a it's a pretty cool show. We've got a lot
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: of big buck killers on there, and then there's there's
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 1: a lot a lot of big deer hit the ground
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: with with archery equipment on that show. And I'm just
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: proud to be part of that team. Yeah, a lot
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: of good guys, seems like. And I've enjoyed I've enjoyed
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 1: all the episodes I've seen myself. And to your point,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: I think two of your seasons are mostly episodes from
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: two of the seasons are online to watch, you know,
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: for anyone, whether you've got cable or not, or whether
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: you've got you know, the time to watch the scheduled airing,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: So definitely check that out, guys. I'll make sure to
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: put links to all that stuff in the blog the
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: blog post for this podcast too. So, Joe, this has
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: been This has been great. Really appreciate you spend some
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 1: time here chatting. No, Mark, I appreciate it too, man.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: Good luck to you on that hunt. And uh yeah,
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: let's keep in touch. I want to see some some
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: great pictures this year. Sounds good. Hopefully, hopefully I'll have
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: some good stories and you'll have some good stories and
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: we can bring it back on to talk about how
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 1: everything we talked about here today lead to a couple
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: of big deer on the ground. Man, I've got my
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: fingers calls you buddy, all right, Joe, have a good one. Alright.
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: So there you have it, a lot to digest, but
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: really helpful perspective, I think. So a couple of quick
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: reminders before we go. First, be sure to check out
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: what we're doing over on the One Wild podcast. That's
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: my shorter form podcast with the Druries in which we
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: answer listeners submitted deer hunting questions, and that show is
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: really coming into form. We're trying to make some tweaks
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 1: to make it even more fun and educational to listen to,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 1: so be sure check that out throughout the season in
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 1: the coming weeks and submit your own question too. We
• 1:27:22
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• 1:27:24
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• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: thank you all for joining us today. I hope this
• 1:27:55
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• 1:27:58
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