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Chaos at golfer Lucas Glover's home ends with wife's arrest & Missing Lucas Hernandez update · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: you think with grand prizes, titles orothies, money, a beautiful home,
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Speaker 1: a happy family, everybody would be happy. Right? No, no way,
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Speaker 1: I mean, I see Grace. This is Crime Stories. Professional
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Speaker 1: golfer Lucas Glover's wife arrested after allegedly attacking him and
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Speaker 1: calling him a let me just say, uh gosh, a
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Speaker 1: female slur and a loser after he plays a bad
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Speaker 1: round and the PGA Players Championship. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: the call that kicked it all off. Call. Listen, I've
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Speaker 1: been attacked by my mother in law. Okay, what's the
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Speaker 1: it is? I'm yes, what's the strain name? Okay? He
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Speaker 1: said you were attacked by your mother, yes, and my
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Speaker 1: mother in law yes. And here she bought herself into
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Speaker 1: the room and attacked us. Okay, how did he attack
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Speaker 1: you don't know? How did he attack you? Oh? What
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Speaker 1: happened to that? I think somebody hung up? Take you
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Speaker 1: Listen to the next nine one one call. Hello, Hi,
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Speaker 1: it's the same time Kenny Stats Office. Yeah, Hi, Hi,
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Speaker 1: Larns curl and this is this is the bot, same
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Speaker 1: one from the bunch. Okay, keep tell me what's going
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Speaker 1: on that? Yeah, mom? And now she's she's trying to
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Speaker 1: blame it on my mother, which is not the case
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Speaker 1: at all on others and one and my wife has
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Speaker 1: going crazy. So okay, did he need Tileski to come
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Speaker 1: out there and look at it? No? I don't think
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Speaker 1: anybody needs to come out here, thank you. Okay, No,
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Speaker 1: we felt like that things that are coming out there
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Speaker 1: just can make sure that everything is okay. You there,
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Speaker 1: can I talk to your life real quick? No, you cannot.
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Speaker 1: She is in the house. What's my daughter? And when
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Speaker 1: the doctor they need to talk to the male that
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Speaker 1: would be me because these other two are aid at
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Speaker 1: the moment. Okay, So, but he died nine one one,
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Speaker 1: so I need to speak with her so I can
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Speaker 1: find out what's coming, what's happening from her side? Where
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Speaker 1: else She's gonna lot to you. That's what I'm telling you.
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Speaker 1: That's why I entered her phone. She's swing live, but
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Speaker 1: I want to talk to Okay, thank you, Okay, yeah,
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Speaker 1: Hi there. Hi is just so bad when I was
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Speaker 1: talking to her joint. Yeah, we're not having a great Okay,
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Speaker 1: we do you adaptive? On their way out there? Can
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Speaker 1: I get your name? I don't know? Well you got
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Speaker 1: wi is coming out there already. Okay, okay, you thank you?
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Speaker 1: What is your name? Um? Yeah, we're gonna so can
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Speaker 1: I get your name? Maam? Okay? Well um him. Let
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Speaker 1: me just quote a famous legal scholar that once said
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Speaker 1: that was the turn in the punch bowl right there. Okay,
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Speaker 1: his words, not mine, Okay, because I would never say that.
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Speaker 1: But once you call nine one one, you can't and
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Speaker 1: report an attack. You can't just hang up and then
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Speaker 1: act like nothing happened when they called back. It doesn't
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Speaker 1: work like that. We we are talking about a pro golfer,
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Speaker 1: a great great golfer, Lucas Glover, and a night when
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Speaker 1: one call goes down and then when they call the
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Speaker 1: home back, everybody acts like nothing happened. Well, this is
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Speaker 1: what went down. The wife, Krista, is arrested at the
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Speaker 1: their beautiful home in Pontovidra Beach after she allegedly attacks
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Speaker 1: physically and verbally her husband and his mother boy she
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Speaker 1: let loose on the whole kittenan camboodle. Now. A police
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Speaker 1: report obtained states that and officer response to the disturbance
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Speaker 1: at eight thirty at night and found the athlete Glover
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Speaker 1: and his mother injured. Now Glover had played at the
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Speaker 1: Player's Championship that day, and he claims his wife regularly
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Speaker 1: brates him and yells at him when he plays poorly.
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Speaker 1: Mrs Glovers said to have been drinking earlier in the
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Speaker 1: day and started the whole thing in front of the
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Speaker 1: two under age children. There were cuts and bruises, fresh
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Speaker 1: ones on his right arm and multiple cuts to both
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Speaker 1: his sixty two year old mother, Hershey Glover's arms. The
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Speaker 1: wife is charged with domestic battery, resisting arrest after she
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Speaker 1: refused to get in the back of the squad car,
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Speaker 1: and just to top it all off, she says, quote,
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Speaker 1: this is why cops gets shot in the face. Wait,
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Speaker 1: I talked to the Joe as you will be effing
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Speaker 1: fired over this. Rut Row joining me, Ashi Willcott, judge
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Speaker 1: and lawyer. Brian Russell. Dr Brian Russell, lawyer and psychologist
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Speaker 1: and hosts of Hit show on Investigation, Discovery, Fatal Vows
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Speaker 1: series and Jo Got Morgan forensics expert. Okay, Dr Brian,
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Speaker 1: let's start with you. You know, cops don't like it
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Speaker 1: very much when somebody says, as you're trying to get
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Speaker 1: him into the back of the squad car, this is
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Speaker 1: why cops get shot in the face. You're gonna get
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Speaker 1: effing fired over this. What. Yeah, I don't think she
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Speaker 1: haught to be really too anxious to talk to the
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Speaker 1: judge about that. One My biggest concern though, uh and
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Speaker 1: probably yours as well, is that you can hear children
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Speaker 1: in the background of that call and whatever has gone
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Speaker 1: down between the adults. One thing we know for sure
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Speaker 1: is that there's child abuse going on in that household,
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Speaker 1: because merely exposing children to chaos like that is abusive
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Speaker 1: in my opinion, and so you know, always my biggest
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Speaker 1: concern is for the children, because no kid should have
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Speaker 1: to be immersed in that kind of chaos. Well um boom,
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Speaker 1: I agree with you about the chaos, but I also
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Speaker 1: don't like it when they see mommy bating grandmammy. What
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Speaker 1: about that, Ashley Willcott, No, that's not good. That's domestic violence,
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Speaker 1: and it traumatizes children and is emotional abuse of children.
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Speaker 1: But I am going to suggest this. The bother that
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Speaker 1: I have is that somewhere in the middle is the truth,
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Speaker 1: and we don't really know what it is because listen
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Speaker 1: to the husband, the one you just played on nine
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Speaker 1: one one who says, both of these women. Don't talk
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Speaker 1: to these women. They're gonna lie and they're out of
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Speaker 1: their heads. You need to talk to the male I'm
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Speaker 1: concerned about. We don't really know the truth as to
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Speaker 1: what really happened, but whatever happened, it's not good for
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Speaker 1: the kids. So actually, let me understand this. You're upset
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Speaker 1: because he talked out about the women while the grandma's lady.
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Speaker 1: I mean, let's I spent decades in court where women
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Speaker 1: got talked down to. But I was a little more
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Speaker 1: concerned about the bleeding victims. Yeah, she's bleeding, but we
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Speaker 1: don't know what happened. What did she do to the
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Speaker 1: mom if anything. Yeah, I'm concerned about grandma, but I'm
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Speaker 1: concerned about both these women with this man. W w wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: wait wait wait man, I did not see that coming.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert. Yeah you did. Uh in
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Speaker 1: defiance of all the physical evidence, you have a different interpretation. Actually,
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Speaker 1: that's what happens in jury rooms, jury deliberations rooms that
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, help please help um, Miss Willcott, the
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Speaker 1: judge and lawyer and founder child crime watch dot com,
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Speaker 1: understand that everybody else has bruised and bleeding except for
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Speaker 1: the drunk wife. Okay, so I mean it doesn't take
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Speaker 1: a lot of power deduction figure out what happened. Nobody
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Speaker 1: else is bleeding, I mean every excuse me, everybody else
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Speaker 1: is bleeding but her. Yes, it's an interesting dynamic from
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Speaker 1: what I understand. Uh, miss Glover had been, as my
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Speaker 1: grandpa would say, which Glover the mother or the wife.
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Speaker 1: The wife actually had been pulling a cork as my grandma,
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Speaker 1: as my Grandpa would say all day long. So she's
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Speaker 1: got she's got plenty of lubrication on board at this point,
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Speaker 1: Wait a minute, let me pulling a court I like that.
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Speaker 1: I usually say they're in the bottle, Okay, go ahead. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and so, uh, certainly not an excuse I was. You know,
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Speaker 1: I took a look. I'm I'm a big procolf fan.
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Speaker 1: And I don't know folks know this about about Lucas Clover,
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Speaker 1: but you know, he won the US Open in two
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Speaker 1: thousand nine. He's a big deal in the area of
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Speaker 1: of golf and procolf. But since that time, uh, he's
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Speaker 1: kind of been in decline. And so you know he's
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Speaker 1: he's coming home. He's just come off of this this
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Speaker 1: Uh it's a rather big term. And he played in
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Speaker 1: this past aken and did very poorly a matter of fact,
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Speaker 1: didn't even make the cut, poorly by his standards. Of course,
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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, Uh, he still walked
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Speaker 1: away even though he didn't make the cut with twenty
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Speaker 1: one dollars. I don't know about job, but I'd be
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Speaker 1: satisfied with that for two days work. Um. And and
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Speaker 1: so the wife, apparently uh, fueled by alcohol, is getting
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Speaker 1: progressively more angry as time goes by. And now I
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Speaker 1: don't know if he had to step in between the
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Speaker 1: mother in law and the wife, but I do know this. Uh,
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Speaker 1: police come out to the house in a domestic abuse situation,
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Speaker 1: and uh, somebody's going to jail. I don't know who
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Speaker 1: it's gonna be, but somebody is going to jail. Less
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Speaker 1: the nature of the world we live in nowadays. She
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Speaker 1: goes on, reportedly to Dr Bryan russell Man, she just
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Speaker 1: could not keep her piehole shut. According to the St.
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Speaker 1: John's County sheriff report, the wife, Kristin Glover, screams of
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Speaker 1: the deputies. When the p g A tour hears about this,
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Speaker 1: you will lose your job. Way till I talk to
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Speaker 1: the judge, you'll be effing fired. Like the PGA tour
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Speaker 1: can fire a sheriff's deputy. She was out of her gourd.
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Speaker 1: Dr Brian, Yeah, and she's throwing around her association with
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Speaker 1: the p g A and then the husband who's the pro,
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Speaker 1: which is a little bit interesting because at the same
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Speaker 1: time we understand she's berating him for not being good
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Speaker 1: enough of a pro. It's the kind of thing that
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Speaker 1: we saw remember years ago. Uh, there was a was
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Speaker 1: a d u I stop, actually, I think and it
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Speaker 1: was Mel Gibson, the actor and producer and director, and
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Speaker 1: he went off on the cop and a big rant,
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Speaker 1: and so you know, these people, uh, they think they're
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Speaker 1: big deals and then they're confronted by law enforcement and
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Speaker 1: they they sort of show their true colors because you know,
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Speaker 1: they rely on these people to protect them on a
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Speaker 1: day in and day out basis. But then when they
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Speaker 1: do something wrong and law enforcement shows up just trying
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Speaker 1: to do their job, then you see that these people
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Speaker 1: really really sort of look down upon police officers that
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Speaker 1: they think that you know, that they're uh, lower paid,
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Speaker 1: lower status people. You really see sort of what they
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Speaker 1: think of cops in these kinds of situations because the
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Speaker 1: celebrity or the wealthy person whatever is embarrassed and so
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Speaker 1: they sort of try to try to start throwing their
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Speaker 1: weight around to to either get out of the trouble
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Speaker 1: or make themselves, you know, to deal with their embarrassment,
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Speaker 1: make themselves feel like like a big shot to the cops.
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Speaker 1: Doesn't play out very well in front of judges, though
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Speaker 1: it doesn't play either. Dr Brian doesn't play well with anybody.
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Speaker 1: I don't think except her, I mean. And also, I
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Speaker 1: guess I have a certain issue with and this is
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Speaker 1: my flaw with classism, because you know, we grew up
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Speaker 1: without very much. We didn't know it at the time.
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Speaker 1: Of course, we're perfectly happy. But if there's one thing, well,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of things that drive me crazy. But
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Speaker 1: one of them is when rich people act out. You know,
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Speaker 1: they got everything. Why are they acting out? And listen
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Speaker 1: to this, you know, back to you, Joe Scott Morgan. Correction,
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Speaker 1: you said he's not doing so let's just talk for
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Speaker 1: a moment about Lucas Glover now. And he didn't want
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Speaker 1: his wife arrested. He was trying to defend her. But
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Speaker 1: he says his wife often threatens to leave him and
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Speaker 1: take the kids when he doesn't play well. But in
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Speaker 1: his career he has made over twenty million dollars. Yeah. True,
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Speaker 1: he's struggling in two thousand eighteen, but twenty million dollars.
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Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like a quote loser to me. Joe
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan. No, I don't think he's a loser. He's
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Speaker 1: in the PGA tour. Uh. You know, perception is everything.
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Speaker 1: I think that it goes back to what Brian and
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Speaker 1: actually we're talking about relative to his perception or perception
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Speaker 1: of status and his wife's perception of status. You know,
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Speaker 1: Brian brought up Mel Gibson. I'd like to bring up
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Speaker 1: somebody else in this case that kind of parallels with
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Speaker 1: this woman had pacy grace from him. No, it's it's
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Speaker 1: gonna be every everybody's southern little sweetheart, Reese Witherspoon. And
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Speaker 1: you know that I actually wound up writing a piece
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Speaker 1: about that, uh with a j C. It made me
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Speaker 1: so furious when that occurred. You know, this this idea
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Speaker 1: that you're better and look, you know this, this poor
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Speaker 1: police officer. And if you've never been a Pontra Vidra,
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Speaker 1: it's it's a palatial area. You know, these million, multimillion
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Speaker 1: dollar homes, perfectly manicured lawns, and these guys, these poor cops,
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Speaker 1: you know, they probably might be pulling down forty two
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Speaker 1: dollars a year if they're lucky in this area. And
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Speaker 1: you've got to go out and you know, be treated
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Speaker 1: this way, and they're trying to protect and serve at
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Speaker 1: the end of the day, Let's take a listen to
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Speaker 1: Reese Witherspoon when she's pulled over for d u by
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Speaker 1: whoop see you know my name? You don't ye? God?
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Speaker 1: Find God? Who I am? Well, I've got an little
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Speaker 1: tidbit to add speaking of the way they were treated.
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan everybody, Joseph's got Morgan with me. Forensics
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Speaker 1: expert and Professor of forensics at Jacksonville State University, Dr
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Speaker 1: Brian Russell, who loves rub it into me that not
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Speaker 1: only does he have a j D like me, he's
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Speaker 1: also a psychologist. Go ahead, rubbed in, rubb it in
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Speaker 1: host Off Investigation, Discoveries, Hit Show, Fatal Vows, and Ashley
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Speaker 1: Wilcott noticed, I haven't gone back to her since she
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Speaker 1: disagreed with me a few minutes ago Judge law and
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Speaker 1: found her child crime watch dot com. Now, so as
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Speaker 1: she's concerned about it, who's really the bad guy? But
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Speaker 1: just let me point out one other little tidbit. After
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Speaker 1: the wife Christic Lover gets on the car and threatens
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Speaker 1: to get the cops fired and curses them out, she
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Speaker 1: then kicks the rear driver's side door and so hard
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Speaker 1: it separates the same of the door frame. Then she
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Speaker 1: can plain the handcuffs too tight. Mm go ahead, Ashley
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Speaker 1: jump in defend that. I'm listening. She's crazy. I get that,
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Speaker 1: and I agree on that, but listen, it's this is
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Speaker 1: my issue. This is not there's one person in the hall,
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Speaker 1: a crazy wife who has committed domestic violence. That may
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Speaker 1: be true, but you have a whole another dynamic because
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Speaker 1: here you have a husband who says, talk to me,
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Speaker 1: and then later he tries to manipulate law enforcement, and
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Speaker 1: then later makes a statement, oh, we're comfortable with the
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Speaker 1: judicial system that will address what actually happened, and Krista
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Speaker 1: will be cleared. What the heck is going on in
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Speaker 1: that house? There are a lot of ish. Well, I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you what's going on. Dr Brian Russell. I mean,
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Speaker 1: you're the psychologist planning tell you what's going on. She
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Speaker 1: the wife has a horrible alcohol problem, and he's been
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Speaker 1: trying to make excuses and cover it up and act
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Speaker 1: like they have a normal life for the Lord only
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Speaker 1: knows how many years, because that's what families of alcoholics do.
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Speaker 1: They cover it up, They make excuses, everything's fine, don't
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Speaker 1: all to her. Taught to me, I'm the only same one. Translation,
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Speaker 1: I'm the only sober one here that that's what he's doing.
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Speaker 1: He's trying to cover for his wife with our alcohol problem.
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Speaker 1: I think that you are probably right about that. I
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Speaker 1: think I think Ashley makes a good point to the
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Speaker 1: extent that we don't have enough information here to know
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Speaker 1: for sure that she's the villain, he's the hero. You know,
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Speaker 1: there's there's nothing in between. Didn't say he hold on,
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Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, Brian. But the golfer and
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Speaker 1: his mother, they're carven and cuts and bruises and blood, right,
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Speaker 1: is that right? I think one thing, Well, this is
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Speaker 1: the only time I'm concerned, and then the only one
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Speaker 1: that's not bloody and bruised is who. But one thing
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Speaker 1: that we know, I think, Chris, thing that we can
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Speaker 1: tell from this audio is I think it is very
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Speaker 1: very unlikely that this is the first chaotic incident like
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Speaker 1: this that has come up. This sounds to me like
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Speaker 1: a guy who has been here before, and we don't
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Speaker 1: know what all has gone down in that house before,
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Speaker 1: but it sounds to me like a guy who may
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Speaker 1: be in some denial about how very serious this is
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Speaker 1: for for the children to be exposed to this even once,
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Speaker 1: but especially if this is a serial situation. And so so, Yes,
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Speaker 1: I think that there is a person here and the
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Speaker 1: guy and I also notice what we've talked about, how
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Speaker 1: the wife was throwing around the p G A and
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Speaker 1: O when the p G A finds out and all
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Speaker 1: this stuff. I noticed that he's not doing that. He's
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Speaker 1: the pro golfer, he's the twenty million dollar man. He's
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Speaker 1: not saying that kind of stuff. He seems to me
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Speaker 1: like a guy who's trying to minimize, trying to uh,
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Speaker 1: sort of make it go away. I don't know if
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Speaker 1: that's because he's concerned about negative publicity. I don't know
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Speaker 1: if that's because he's concerned about, you know, that the
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Speaker 1: kids thinking that their mom is nuts. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know if he's worried about uh, if he's just trying
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Speaker 1: to avoid in his mind that the thought that you know, uh,
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Speaker 1: my wife is somebody who is damaging my children by
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Speaker 1: doing this kind of stuff in front of them. But
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Speaker 1: I think he's got to he's got to wake up
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Speaker 1: to the fact that he cannot allow his children to
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Speaker 1: continue to be exposed to this kind of stuff. And
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Speaker 1: in bruises. A five year old boy that I believe
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Speaker 1: was malnourished and underfed now goes missing, and the so
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Speaker 1: called stepmother that was taking care of him while dad
21:10
Speaker 1: was out of town working an oil rig seemingly slipping
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Speaker 1: through the fingers of justice. Yet again, I'm talking about
21:20
Speaker 1: five year old Lucas her Nandez. Even at this moment,
21:25
Speaker 1: authorities don't know where Lucas or his remains are. In
21:30
Speaker 1: the last hours, that's so called stepmother has been acquitted
21:36
Speaker 1: on another charge. It just never ends with this case.
21:41
Speaker 1: Trying to get justice for Lucas Hernandez with me world
21:45
Speaker 1: renowned victim's advocate, the founder of Class Kids Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: Kim Martin, who's Missing Pieces network is trying to find
21:56
Speaker 1: answers about Lucas, Ashley Wilcot, juvenile judge and lawyer, founder
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Speaker 1: of Child Crime Watch dot com, and Lee Egan Crime
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Speaker 1: Online dot com reporter. Guys, I want to start with
22:10
Speaker 1: the so called disappearance of Lucas. First of all, listen
22:15
Speaker 1: to this Happy birthday, Dear Lucy, Happy birthday to you,
22:21
Speaker 1: glout your candle, good job, but you're five years old
22:27
Speaker 1: tomorrow singing for Lucas at his fifth birthday party, Mark Class,
22:31
Speaker 1: I remember the twins fifth birthday party like it was yesterday,
22:36
Speaker 1: and what a blowout it was birthday cake at jumping House,
22:40
Speaker 1: you know, putting those two together as a recipe for disaster.
22:44
Speaker 1: All that I sing and all that jumping. I mean,
22:46
Speaker 1: it's just not a party, Nhen, somebody throws up. But
22:49
Speaker 1: it was a good time, and I remember like it
22:51
Speaker 1: was yesterday. You know what, nobody's remembering that for Lucas instead.
22:56
Speaker 1: Right now we're all saying where is Lucas or where's
22:59
Speaker 1: his boy? It's just not right to have those words
23:02
Speaker 1: in the same sentence, Mark Class, What happened to your
23:06
Speaker 1: understanding the day Lucas goes missing? Well as I understand it, Nancy,
23:11
Speaker 1: the day Lucas went missing, Um, the stepmother, Emily Glass,
23:15
Speaker 1: twenty six year old woman, UM put him down for
23:19
Speaker 1: why do we even say stepmother, Mark, She's a living girlfriend.
23:23
Speaker 1: She never showed Lucas any love, that's correct. I mean
23:28
Speaker 1: she put Lucas down for a nap at around three o'clock.
23:31
Speaker 1: She herself took a nap at about three o'clock, and
23:34
Speaker 1: when she woke up several hours later, Lucas was missing,
23:38
Speaker 1: she looked around for him, she reported it to the authorities.
23:42
Speaker 1: The authorities came out, investigated, and could find absolutely no
23:45
Speaker 1: sign that anybody had broken into the house, gotten into
23:49
Speaker 1: the house, or illegally removed Lucas in any way, shape
23:53
Speaker 1: or form. There was absolutely no evidence whatsoever of Lucas
23:57
Speaker 1: having left the property. And that's basically where the case
24:02
Speaker 1: stands right now. Of course, Simpson, a lot of allegations
24:05
Speaker 1: have come out, and a lot of evidence has come out,
24:07
Speaker 1: you know, to Kim Martin joining me in addition to
24:10
Speaker 1: Mark Class Kim Martin with Missing Pieces Network. Kim, what
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Speaker 1: more do we know about the day Lucas goes missing?
24:18
Speaker 1: I know the dad's out of town working. We've confirmed that.
24:21
Speaker 1: I don't mean two towns over, I mean out of
24:23
Speaker 1: state with an oil company. He's not part of this, Okay.
24:28
Speaker 1: So the living girlfriend is home, she has a baby
24:31
Speaker 1: in the home, her bio baby, and we've got little Lucas.
24:36
Speaker 1: And from reports, we have been told that every time
24:41
Speaker 1: she and the dad would have an argument, should take
24:44
Speaker 1: it out on Lucas. That's what Lucas's relatives have told us.
24:48
Speaker 1: You know, it bugs me so much Kim Martin, is
24:51
Speaker 1: the fact about the olive garden the day before I
24:54
Speaker 1: think it was the day before he goes missing. Kim,
24:56
Speaker 1: would you tell Mark class that story. Emily apparently cleaned
25:02
Speaker 1: a lot, did a lot of laundry that day, went
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Speaker 1: to the garage, smoked some three bowls of pot and
25:09
Speaker 1: got hungry. Um. She said that Lucas had been sleeping
25:13
Speaker 1: because he had a tummy ache, so she took Mia
25:15
Speaker 1: and went to Olive garden. Um. Interestingly, she does not
25:19
Speaker 1: remember the route she took to Olive Garden, but that's
25:24
Speaker 1: what she said. I mean, Mark, you know the twins.
25:27
Speaker 1: I can't even imagine leaving one at home with a
25:30
Speaker 1: sick tummy allegedly and taking the other one for a
25:34
Speaker 1: nice lunch, and leaving a five year old at home
25:36
Speaker 1: alone was nothing to eat, and taking my biological child
25:41
Speaker 1: out for a lunch at olive gardens. Oh, it's absurd.
25:44
Speaker 1: It's completely beyond the pale nancy that somebody would do that.
25:49
Speaker 1: And it's hard to believe that a little boy who's
25:51
Speaker 1: suffering from stomach pains is somehow soundly sleeping throughout this
25:55
Speaker 1: entire U situation. She's a very irresponsible woman. And if
26:00
Speaker 1: she really, as it turns out, as we'll see, has
26:03
Speaker 1: absolutely no old business around children, you know, um to
26:06
Speaker 1: Lee Egan crime online dot Com reporter league been doing
26:10
Speaker 1: such an awesome job covering this on crime online dot com.
26:14
Speaker 1: So when she wakes up for her three hour nap
26:18
Speaker 1: okay in the middle of the day, not judging the baby,
26:23
Speaker 1: baby Lucas, five years old, is gone. How long passed
26:27
Speaker 1: before she calls nine one one to tell them he's missing.
26:29
Speaker 1: She woke up a three hour nap and it wasn't
26:32
Speaker 1: much longer after that she called. What upset me also,
26:35
Speaker 1: to Askal Willcott child crime watch dot Com, is that
26:40
Speaker 1: the landlord drove by and saw Lucas staring out the window.
26:44
Speaker 1: Luke says, they're all along, just looking out the window.
26:46
Speaker 1: He didn't try to leave that day, Diddy Ashley. No,
26:49
Speaker 1: And not only that, if he was the only one home,
26:51
Speaker 1: that in and of itself could be a charge of
26:53
Speaker 1: child endanger mint. But the other thing I want to
26:55
Speaker 1: point out is something Lee just said, and that is
26:58
Speaker 1: this was self reported. He went missing the next day.
27:02
Speaker 1: Who knows when he really went missing, right like the
27:05
Speaker 1: night before or after she got home from Olive garden.
27:08
Speaker 1: There's no one in the home but her, Lucas and
27:10
Speaker 1: her little baby. Well, police jump into action, using K
27:14
Speaker 1: nine units to search the home. They surround the neighborhood
27:17
Speaker 1: with a dragnet, They look in nearby parks for clues. Nothing.
27:22
Speaker 1: They end up empty handed at the end of the day. Well,
27:27
Speaker 1: everybody asked, why didn't you? Is she an amber alert? Well,
27:31
Speaker 1: there was no evidence he was kidnapped. When the police
27:34
Speaker 1: said that that was a shockermark class no evidence he
27:38
Speaker 1: was kidnapped. Well, I've had issues with the amber alert
27:43
Speaker 1: from day one, Nancy, and I think that first of all,
27:45
Speaker 1: it could be put into the hands of the local
27:48
Speaker 1: authorities and if they feel that there's reason enough to
27:51
Speaker 1: issue a local amber alert, they should be able to
27:54
Speaker 1: do so. Unfortunately, that's not how it works. It's a
27:57
Speaker 1: state authority and it has to go through many levels
27:59
Speaker 1: of green lights before anybody can actually do that. But
28:03
Speaker 1: the back of this Lucas's little situation, you know, Emily
28:09
Speaker 1: has been reported as being bipolar. She's a drug user.
28:14
Speaker 1: Beside the pot, she's been uh, she's been known to
28:17
Speaker 1: take meta aptamine and heroin and then that's a toxic
28:21
Speaker 1: mixed sense that's a terrible, horrible toxic mix that no child,
28:26
Speaker 1: whether he's a biological child or a child under her care,
28:29
Speaker 1: should ever have to deal with. Take a listen to
28:32
Speaker 1: what little Lucas's aunt, Sally res Mussen has to say
28:36
Speaker 1: to K A K E t V. All these stories
28:39
Speaker 1: I've been hearing for months about him possibly being abused,
28:42
Speaker 1: to the investigated and had a frantic interview and all
28:45
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff and sent him. I guess the
28:47
Speaker 1: police didn't think they was gonna have evidence when I
28:50
Speaker 1: first found out he was knitting, I um was suspicious
28:54
Speaker 1: and then worried well. According to Wichita Police Detective Ryanmaker,
29:01
Speaker 1: he reads out loud exactly what Emily Glass said happened
29:07
Speaker 1: that day around noon, and made Mia and Luke, Peb
29:11
Speaker 1: and J and some spaghettios for lunch. I did not
29:14
Speaker 1: eat yet by this point because my appetite was not there.
29:17
Speaker 1: Sometime after eating, Lucas said his tummy hurt and wanted
29:20
Speaker 1: to watch a movie in his room, so I gave
29:22
Speaker 1: him some Zofran and put his show on. I can't
29:26
Speaker 1: remember one show. Mh then cleaned up his mess from
29:30
Speaker 1: eating while Mea was still eating, and then sat down
29:33
Speaker 1: browsing my phone and or browsing my phone still waiting
29:37
Speaker 1: for me and to finish so that I could clean
29:40
Speaker 1: her and her mess up. After that, I did some
29:43
Speaker 1: more laundry and cleaned some of back bonus room. I
29:47
Speaker 1: did check in on Luke while watching his movie and
29:50
Speaker 1: he was fine each time. I checked in on him
29:54
Speaker 1: every twenty to thirty minutes just to say hi and
29:57
Speaker 1: see how he was doing. And then I decided to
30:00
Speaker 1: take a break from cleaning due to my hands from
30:04
Speaker 1: hurting in my endo. My hands hurt due to cleaning
30:08
Speaker 1: flower bed out. On Thursday, I went to I went
30:13
Speaker 1: to Grouts to smoke cannabis and got really hungry. And
30:16
Speaker 1: then I remember Jonathan and give me an Olive Garden
30:19
Speaker 1: gift card and wanted that to eat. When I got
30:22
Speaker 1: me and myself ready, I decided to eat real quick
30:27
Speaker 1: while I had my appetite. This was around five pm.
30:32
Speaker 1: My landlord Chris called me towards the end um ad
30:38
Speaker 1: me finish end up Alive Garden so that he can
30:40
Speaker 1: stop by to check the sewer slash plumbing. I believe
30:46
Speaker 1: due to nasty smells I was smelling. I told him
30:49
Speaker 1: I was almost home and would see him soon. On
30:52
Speaker 1: my way home, he had calling me back. I got
30:57
Speaker 1: home around six question mark. After I got home, I
31:00
Speaker 1: made Lucas dinner. Yeah, French fries and chicken fries and sprite.
31:05
Speaker 1: We all mound at night. Well, I did some laundry around,
31:11
Speaker 1: I gave Lucas and me a bath and then put
31:13
Speaker 1: them to bed. I do believe I've talked to Jonathan
31:16
Speaker 1: via duo video chat before I felt asleep Friday night
31:19
Speaker 1: at the seventeen Saturday February, the sim I'm sorry. Saturday
31:26
Speaker 1: February the eighteenth, that says the kids and I woke
31:29
Speaker 1: up around nine am to Kim Martin with missing pieces
31:32
Speaker 1: and network he was helping find Lucas Hernandez. So that's
31:37
Speaker 1: the day. That's the day before she says Lucas goes missing.
31:41
Speaker 1: But again, like Lee Egan has pointed out, she's the
31:45
Speaker 1: only one confirming that timeline if you listen to what
31:47
Speaker 1: she said Kim when she stated this is according to
31:51
Speaker 1: the detectives that have her written statement that she signed
31:54
Speaker 1: off on. She says she may have face time with
31:59
Speaker 1: the dad, but didn't say anything about him speaking to Lucas,
32:02
Speaker 1: so no one can I d Lucas was alive that night,
32:06
Speaker 1: So how does she end up in court in the
32:09
Speaker 1: past hours on child endangerment? She ended up there for
32:14
Speaker 1: um allegedly smoking marijuana and driving Miau to Olive cart
32:21
Speaker 1: so that that was in her written statement, and she
32:23
Speaker 1: told the police that as well. So she says she
32:26
Speaker 1: smokes three bowls for marijuana and drives her daughter, her
32:34
Speaker 1: baby to Olive Garden, leaving Lucas behind. It's almost as
32:38
Speaker 1: if nobody's looking at the elephant in the room. Lucas,
32:41
Speaker 1: a five year old boy is dead there. I'll go
32:45
Speaker 1: ahead and put it out there. I mean, Mark Class,
32:46
Speaker 1: do you think Lucas is still alive? No, Nancy, I
32:49
Speaker 1: don't think so. I don't think that Lucas got up
32:51
Speaker 1: and walked out of that house either. He was supposedly
32:53
Speaker 1: a shy little boy that was not known for wandering off.
32:58
Speaker 1: He was a good little boy in her obedient little boy.
33:00
Speaker 1: So this is just completely out of character, as I
33:03
Speaker 1: understand it, for this child. A five year old little
33:05
Speaker 1: boy is missing, and seemingly the so called stepmother that
33:09
Speaker 1: was taking care of him at the time he quote
33:11
Speaker 1: wanders away as she's taking a three hour nap has
33:15
Speaker 1: just slipped through the fingers of justice. We know that
33:20
Speaker 1: she was charged with child endangerment because just before Lucas
33:24
Speaker 1: goes missing, she admits she smokes three bowls of marijuana
33:28
Speaker 1: and drives her other child to Olive Garden. She was
33:33
Speaker 1: never charged with driving under the influence of marijuana, Lee Egan.
33:37
Speaker 1: Why the police did not ask her to admit a
33:42
Speaker 1: JUG test. I don't know if if they waited she
33:44
Speaker 1: belonged where it was out of her system or what happened,
33:46
Speaker 1: But I mean, it's very obvious to me that nobody
33:50
Speaker 1: knews she was driving under the influence of marijuana. She
33:53
Speaker 1: drove there, they went to Olive Garden, they ate, and
33:55
Speaker 1: she came home. So why would police asked? I mean,
34:01
Speaker 1: have you ever had police just stop come up to
34:03
Speaker 1: you at the table at Olive Garden, Lee, and say, hey,
34:05
Speaker 1: how about giving me a B a C blood alcohol test?
34:08
Speaker 1: Blow into this? Yeah? No, So police didn't do anything wrong.
34:14
Speaker 1: But boy, if you heard the defense lawyer in court,
34:18
Speaker 1: you'd think they had take a listen to this. Scoffol test,
34:27
Speaker 1: blood test, lab test, actual physically and paraphnilia. Is that correct?
34:32
Speaker 1: Is there any others that need to stop that I
34:36
Speaker 1: add it up here. Oh that I can take over,
34:43
Speaker 1: so off this evance that's up here. Next to you
34:46
Speaker 1: are list timeline the things that are not going to
34:48
Speaker 1: be sent in to the jury here, Paul blood Saliba,
34:53
Speaker 1: we paraphnelia. All of this right here? Is that correct? Yes,
35:00
Speaker 1: m yet you allege or claim that she had marijuana
35:06
Speaker 1: present in her system and was high. Correct, But during
35:12
Speaker 1: will not received any scientific evidence out of this case
35:16
Speaker 1: about marijuana present her system. Is that correct? They will
35:22
Speaker 1: receive her statements, but no, no test. Are all of
35:25
Speaker 1: these tests available that would imagine? Yes, could you have
35:31
Speaker 1: asked Emily to submit to these tests? Um, it's possible.
35:38
Speaker 1: Did you ask Emily to submit to any of these tests? No? Man,
35:42
Speaker 1: Like I stated, there was a whole another investigation we
35:45
Speaker 1: were doing at the time, and that was a more
35:48
Speaker 1: important investigation. So you were an entire case that Emily smoked.
35:53
Speaker 1: We later that day, a couple hours later she traveled
35:58
Speaker 1: to all of ourd with her daughter that she firstly
36:07
Speaker 1: an hour later. But yes, it was her statements that
36:10
Speaker 1: she made several times. No questions, man, she really letting
36:14
Speaker 1: him have it. Mark class. It's really a trial within
36:18
Speaker 1: a case. Because the overarching the bigger case is where
36:22
Speaker 1: is Lucas Hernandez or where is his body? This was
36:26
Speaker 1: a mini trial in the middle of that mystery about
36:30
Speaker 1: her driving under the influence of pot. And it wasn't
36:32
Speaker 1: just her own statement, Mark class. Did you know that
36:35
Speaker 1: a former inmate at the county jail testified in front
36:38
Speaker 1: of the jury that Glass told her she Glass smoked
36:42
Speaker 1: three bowls of pot and then gotten quote really high
36:45
Speaker 1: before driving her daughter to Olive Garden, And so there
36:49
Speaker 1: were multiple sources of that information. But still the jury
36:54
Speaker 1: letter walk Mark, Well, the d A brought a weak
36:58
Speaker 1: case on her in this picular instance. And if this
37:01
Speaker 1: is a mini trial within the bigger investigation, which you
37:05
Speaker 1: correctly stated is, then he's really going to have to
37:07
Speaker 1: get his act together as he moves forward and tries
37:10
Speaker 1: to charge her with his disappearance or his murder as
37:13
Speaker 1: she Wilcot Child Crime watch dot Com at Lantage uven
37:16
Speaker 1: old judge and lawyer. You know what's gonna happen. It's
37:19
Speaker 1: gonna be like in uh Stephen Avery, where he was
37:23
Speaker 1: you know, making a murderer on Netflix where he was
37:28
Speaker 1: wrongly convicted on one case. The only he's tried for
37:32
Speaker 1: the murder of Theresa Hallback. He said, Oh, you're just
37:35
Speaker 1: doing this because I was exonerated on the previous case.
37:39
Speaker 1: You're mad at me. Well, no, it's because he murdered
37:42
Speaker 1: Raisa Hallback. That's why they did it. But in this case,
37:45
Speaker 1: actually it's a similar scenario in that if Emily Glass
37:49
Speaker 1: of girlfriend is ever charged in Lucas's disappearance or even
37:56
Speaker 1: neglect that ended in the death of Lucas, they're gonna
38:00
Speaker 1: bring up this trial this not guilty on driving under
38:03
Speaker 1: the influence of pot and say whether it's true or not. Oh,
38:07
Speaker 1: the cops are mad because I got not guilty in
38:09
Speaker 1: that case. Now they're trying to get me back. This
38:12
Speaker 1: has given them a perfect argument in an ultimate trial
38:16
Speaker 1: if it happened. Absolutely, this was a big win for
38:18
Speaker 1: the defense for the reason you've just pointed out. Don't
38:21
Speaker 1: rush to charges. For any district attorney, that's the best advice.
38:25
Speaker 1: Because here's the other thing I see in this case.
38:27
Speaker 1: I look at all the information that we know, I
38:29
Speaker 1: think there are additional potential charges against this woman that
38:32
Speaker 1: stand at this point in time, for instance, child endangerment
38:36
Speaker 1: of the five year old because based on her statement
38:39
Speaker 1: he was home alone when she chose to take the
38:42
Speaker 1: one year old to Olive Garden with her. Why would
38:44
Speaker 1: you leave a five year old home alone. That's child endangerment.
38:47
Speaker 1: That means that you are knowingly and unreasonably causing or
38:51
Speaker 1: permitting that five year old to be placed in a
38:53
Speaker 1: situation which could be endangering to the child. You don't
38:56
Speaker 1: leave a five year old at home. So there were
38:58
Speaker 1: also other facts areas that resulted in other potential charges.
39:02
Speaker 1: So I think that we talk about law enforcement district attorneys,
39:07
Speaker 1: they need to be very deliberate and thoughtful and analyzing,
39:12
Speaker 1: gathering the evidence, and then prosecuting on the charges at
39:16
Speaker 1: that point in time. I don't think that happens. On
39:18
Speaker 1: the other hand, to Kim Martin with missing pieces of network.
39:23
Speaker 1: I know what the district attorney was trying to do,
39:26
Speaker 1: and I don't fault him. What he was trying to
39:29
Speaker 1: do was get her on anything anything that was real.
39:33
Speaker 1: And this is real. She admitted to it, and she
39:35
Speaker 1: bragged about it in jail. She was high on pot
39:37
Speaker 1: when she drove to the Olive Garden with a child
39:39
Speaker 1: in the car BAM. But he was I imagine he
39:43
Speaker 1: was thinking if he could get her on that, and
39:45
Speaker 1: she was in jail for a while. At some point
39:47
Speaker 1: she'd brag about Lucas two, and then he would have
39:51
Speaker 1: the evidence he needed to prosecute the murder. I'm sure
39:54
Speaker 1: that's what he was aiming for. You know this in
39:58
Speaker 1: the business drop in the bucket. Compared to Lucas is dead,
40:01
Speaker 1: the five year old boy is dead, guys, news is
40:04
Speaker 1: about one year old out of the house. Nancy. They did,
40:06
Speaker 1: they at least recognized at a minimum, there was neglect
40:09
Speaker 1: and inadequate supervision, and the state did pull the one
40:12
Speaker 1: year old out of her care. Thank god. Right, because
40:15
Speaker 1: this mother either killed the five year old or knows
40:19
Speaker 1: what happened to him. That's a really good point. You're right,
40:24
Speaker 1: So bottom line, I mean, I don't want to bash
40:26
Speaker 1: the d A so much here. Yeah. Yeah, it's a
40:28
Speaker 1: weak case, but she did it. It's a weak case.
40:32
Speaker 1: He lost the case. But what just because you think
40:35
Speaker 1: you're gonna lose the case, you don't bring the case.
40:37
Speaker 1: You just go, oh, well, I'll think I'm gonna win.
40:39
Speaker 1: I just won't bring it. I think he should have
40:42
Speaker 1: brought brought it. I think he did the right thing
40:44
Speaker 1: bringing it. And Mark class. Let's get back to the
40:47
Speaker 1: big issue. The big issue is not her driving after
40:49
Speaker 1: three bowls of pot, which I do not condone. The
40:52
Speaker 1: big issue is Lucas, Mark Class. You know as well
40:57
Speaker 1: as anybody, better than anybody, how a child does missing
41:04
Speaker 1: and gets killed. The stats on the possibility of Lucas
41:09
Speaker 1: being alive, they're astronomical. Explain the reality of what happened
41:15
Speaker 1: to Lucas and why why we believe he's dead. Well,
41:18
Speaker 1: we believe he's dead because there's been no sign of
41:20
Speaker 1: Lucas over the course of the last several months. Now,
41:23
Speaker 1: when children disappear and are murdered as a result of
41:27
Speaker 1: a kidnapping or a disappearance, seventy percent of them are
41:31
Speaker 1: going to be dead within the first three hours, something
41:35
Speaker 1: like are going to be dead within the first twenty
41:37
Speaker 1: four hours. And your your statistics doesn't drop and your
41:41
Speaker 1: probabilities drop of exponentially from that point on. So the
41:46
Speaker 1: idea that this little boy is somehow out there and
41:48
Speaker 1: being taken care of um is nil at this point.
41:53
Speaker 1: And you're absolutely correct, there's no way that little Lucas
41:57
Speaker 1: is still alive. Unfortunately, But then we also now are
42:01
Speaker 1: in a situation where We're literally looking for a needle
42:04
Speaker 1: in a haystack. The world is a very big place
42:07
Speaker 1: and Lucas is a very little boy. But again, the
42:11
Speaker 1: statistics are going to tell you that he is probably
42:14
Speaker 1: within a quarter mile of that house somewhere. You know,
42:17
Speaker 1: I noticed in this trial about endangerment after the pot
42:22
Speaker 1: that when the inmate, the other lady inmate, was on
42:28
Speaker 1: the stand, she mentioned in front of the jury she
42:33
Speaker 1: asked Emily Glass, She asked the step mom why did
42:38
Speaker 1: they keep searching a particular field over and over and over?
42:44
Speaker 1: Why did they do that? Well, the judge cut her
42:47
Speaker 1: off and wouldn't let her go on in that vein
42:50
Speaker 1: about Lucas because that was not the issue before the jury.
42:55
Speaker 1: They were only to determine whether she endangered her daughter
42:58
Speaker 1: driving high on pot. The case would have been reversed
43:01
Speaker 1: if there had been a conviction. But that's really interesting.
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Speaker 1: Even the female inmate was saying, hey, why do they
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Speaker 1: keep searching that same field over and over with dogs?
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Speaker 1: Step mom? And the judge cut her off. Mark Class,
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Speaker 1: you just said the body is going to be a
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Speaker 1: quarter of a mile from the home. Isn't that interesting
43:22
Speaker 1: that police come back and back and back to that
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Speaker 1: one field, Mark class and they have to do that, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: because you're not going to find the remains of a
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Speaker 1: little boy on the first pass Um. In many cases
43:34
Speaker 1: that we've worked, we've had to go back to the
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Speaker 1: location time and time and time again before we finally
43:39
Speaker 1: got a hit on what we were looking for. You
43:42
Speaker 1: know another thing, Mark class Um, and I always sight
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Speaker 1: back to you, even when we're not talking together. I'm
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Speaker 1: I'm concerned about Emily Glasses. The stepmother's demeanor, the way
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Speaker 1: she spoke to police, just calm, cool as a cute
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Speaker 1: ummer when she was described me Lucas was missing, was
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Speaker 1: gone or dogs out looking for him. I can't you
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Speaker 1: know what this makes me just want to jump up
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Speaker 1: out of this chair and run and check on the children,
44:11
Speaker 1: and just leave the thought of you sitting there so
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Speaker 1: calm and collected while there are dogs out sniffing and
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Speaker 1: barking trying to find the child. She was calm as
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Speaker 1: a cucumber, talking about as she smoked three bowls of
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Speaker 1: pot and got in the car and drove her daughter
44:33
Speaker 1: and left Lucas at home alone. Mark. Do you remember,
44:37
Speaker 1: of course you do, when Polly, your daughter went missing.
44:41
Speaker 1: You basically said, here, take my fingerprints, take my DNA.
44:46
Speaker 1: You basically laid on the steps of the courthouse saying,
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Speaker 1: do whatever you've got to do, Please search me, search
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Speaker 1: my place, bringing the dogs so you can start looking
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Speaker 1: for whoever really took my daughter. Well, that's the way
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Speaker 1: I tell it, Mark, Well, that's exactly right. I mean,
45:02
Speaker 1: it's a matter of elimination. You have to eliminate yourself
45:05
Speaker 1: from suspicion before the police will be able to effectively
45:09
Speaker 1: move on to the other possibilities. And you're exactly right, Nancy.
45:12
Speaker 1: In our situation, it was sixty five days of sitting
45:15
Speaker 1: on the steps of the police station begging them to
45:18
Speaker 1: do something and dissolve the case. And every day they
45:20
Speaker 1: didn't solve the case, in my mind, was the day
45:22
Speaker 1: that they weren't doing their jobs. But I'm not seeing
45:25
Speaker 1: any of this kind of any of this kind of
45:27
Speaker 1: thought behavior from from Emily at all. Oh no, you
45:31
Speaker 1: should see the shots of miss Thing in court, smirking
45:35
Speaker 1: walking by. She's just as as police. She's very pleased
45:40
Speaker 1: with herself getting this not guilty. I mean, uh uh so,
45:47
Speaker 1: bottom line, what do we do now, Mark, class, she's
45:51
Speaker 1: slipped through justice. I mean, I don't even know what
45:54
Speaker 1: else to do. Now. They can't find the body, they
45:56
Speaker 1: can't find any evidence that he's still alive. There's no clue,
46:01
Speaker 1: there's no for instance, in the home. What do we do, Mark,
46:04
Speaker 1: it's ninety days he's been gone. Yeah, Well, you can't
46:07
Speaker 1: stop the investigation. Obviously, it has to be ongoing. And
46:10
Speaker 1: although the authority search and rescue teams are no longer
46:14
Speaker 1: working the case, simply because there are other things they
46:17
Speaker 1: have to do in other priorities, there are volunteer efforts
46:20
Speaker 1: out there that are ongoing, and those kinds of efforts
46:24
Speaker 1: can continue on and on and on. So they have
46:27
Speaker 1: to continue to look for the child. They have to
46:29
Speaker 1: continue to investigate this woman, and hopefully at some point
46:33
Speaker 1: something will break. And we see this all the time now, Nancy.
46:36
Speaker 1: We see cold cases get hot, we see uh, we
46:40
Speaker 1: see these things get solved. We bring these children home
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Speaker 1: one way or another. I say, they've got the key
46:46
Speaker 1: right there with the step mom, Emily Glass. Take a
46:51
Speaker 1: listen to what the Sedgwick County District Attorney Mark Bennett
46:54
Speaker 1: tells us, because the termination was made, that we would
46:56
Speaker 1: move forward with this case and that our best evidence
46:59
Speaker 1: in front of jury and and we've done that and
47:03
Speaker 1: we again respect the verdict. Can you talk about what's
47:07
Speaker 1: next in terms of the investigation when the ducas and
47:10
Speaker 1: where's that. Yeah, the the investigates with the witch Fell
47:14
Speaker 1: Police Department continue to follow leads. Um, they're working on
47:17
Speaker 1: the case as we speak. Um, the investigation continues. It's
47:21
Speaker 1: that's about the best I can say. It's just there,
47:24
Speaker 1: gonna look at every other angle that can think of,
47:27
Speaker 1: take tips from the public, continue to search if and
47:30
Speaker 1: when a uh, you know, applicable or appropriate, they've got
47:33
Speaker 1: someplace to search. It's been obviously an exhausting investigation to
47:36
Speaker 1: day and will continue to be. So you mentioned it
47:39
Speaker 1: was a difficult case from the beginning. Who was the
47:41
Speaker 1: biggest factor? You know? Obviously the defense came back is
47:44
Speaker 1: that there's never any physical at all. Well, there was
47:46
Speaker 1: four day hours the past between the time when she
47:49
Speaker 1: drove the child in the state that she described as
47:52
Speaker 1: being high and her words between it was forty hours
47:56
Speaker 1: later that the law enforcement was even know where there's
47:58
Speaker 1: an issue. And so you know, like any case, the
48:02
Speaker 1: any delay delays that the copyr of evidence and and
48:06
Speaker 1: so I mean as as in the defense did a
48:10
Speaker 1: nice job of you know, making making bringing this to
48:13
Speaker 1: detention of the jury. Um. You know, she said she'd
48:16
Speaker 1: been using mari wanted. She said she was high at
48:19
Speaker 1: the time she was driving her child around. But but they,
48:21
Speaker 1: as they pointed out, there was no physical evidence anymore
48:24
Speaker 1: of any narcotics in the home. Um, and that's because
48:27
Speaker 1: hours had passed, and so I put us into a disadvantage. Um.
48:31
Speaker 1: You know again, this this evidence, which certainly not the
48:33
Speaker 1: focus the investigation, but when it was uncovered, it's like, well,
48:36
Speaker 1: you know, we have this. We need to move forward
48:38
Speaker 1: with what we have, one step at a time. And
48:40
Speaker 1: this was the first, the first case that was able
48:42
Speaker 1: to be brought. Emily Glass a person of interest in
48:45
Speaker 1: the Lupus Fernanda's case. UM yeah, I mean she's been
48:49
Speaker 1: the the I think the police I'm not saying anything
48:52
Speaker 1: the police partment hasn't already said. I mean they've identified her,
48:55
Speaker 1: I believe as a person of interest. Um. She certainly
48:57
Speaker 1: witnessed in that case. Um. Deal, And we know the
49:01
Speaker 1: point is, will take evidence where it takes us, and
49:03
Speaker 1: we'll continue to investigate this. UM with disperience of Lucas Fernandez.
49:07
Speaker 1: That is the d A speaking, but this is what
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Speaker 1: I recall. Here is Officer Charlie Davidson announcing little Lucas
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Speaker 1: is gone. This with a heavy heart. I'm here with
49:18
Speaker 1: you today, still missing. It's five year old Lucas Fernandez.
49:24
Speaker 1: Lucas was last seen wearing black sweats, white sox, and
49:28
Speaker 1: a gray shirt with a bear on it. Our thoughts
49:32
Speaker 1: and prayers remain with Lucas and Lucas's family as we
49:35
Speaker 1: are diligently investigating the situation. On Friday, February seventeenth, that
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Speaker 1: approximately six fifteen officers were dispatched to a lost juvenile
49:45
Speaker 1: call at a residence in a six D block of
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Speaker 1: South Edgemore. When they arrived, they made contact with the
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Speaker 1: twenty six year old female who is the stepmother of Lucas.
49:56
Speaker 1: She reported to officers that she last saw Lucas in
49:59
Speaker 1: his bedroom a foxibly three PM prior to her showering
50:03
Speaker 1: and falling asleep. Officers and canine units have dylan lately
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Speaker 1: checked the home and the neighborhood with no luck of
50:12
Speaker 1: locating Lucas at this time. Nancy, here's the good news
50:16
Speaker 1: about if there's any to be had about no conviction,
50:20
Speaker 1: maybe it will make her confident and cocky enough to
50:25
Speaker 1: think she's gotten away with it, that she's going to
50:27
Speaker 1: blab to somebody about what she really did to Lucas.
50:30
Speaker 1: What more can you tell us, Kim, he is cocky
50:32
Speaker 1: right now, Nancy. I don't know if you knew this
50:34
Speaker 1: or not, but they're supposedly bringing in a p I
50:37
Speaker 1: next week. I talked with Jonathan Um. Jonathan and Emily's
50:45
Speaker 1: parents have hired a p I. I talked with Jonathan
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Speaker 1: a lot, and Um Jonathan has told me or he
50:53
Speaker 1: told me that he hoped that they'll begin to find
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Speaker 1: Lucas next week, that a p I has been lined
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Speaker 1: up and we'll be in town next week. And I
51:02
Speaker 1: believe Emily's parents also has stated that they have hired
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Speaker 1: a p I, so I'm sure they're talking about the
51:08
Speaker 1: same p I. UM. The timing to me is odd.
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Speaker 1: Why are you're going to announce and hire someone on
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Speaker 1: the day that you're daughter and girlfriend are released from jail.
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Speaker 1: But that's the latest. I just I hope that they
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Speaker 1: are prepared for what this p I will find. No
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Speaker 1: one has been named a suspect in Lucas's disappearance, although
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Speaker 1: Emily Glass's stepmother has been named a person of interest
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