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Boyfriend Brian Laundrie Goes on Camping Trip With Parents After Gabby Reported Missing · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: As a rugged stone cross is laying by hand across
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Speaker 1: the spot where twenty two year old Gabby Potito's body
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Speaker 1: was found, the exact spot out in yming the search
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Speaker 1: for Brian Laundry, the so called boyfriend, goes on take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at Fox five underwater dive
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Speaker 1: teams are joining the search for Brian Laundry, the person
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Speaker 1: of interest in the death of twenty two year old
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Speaker 1: Gabby Potito, his fiancee. A team made up of ten
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Speaker 1: divers and sixty officers from multiple agencies are focusing on
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Speaker 1: a twenty five thousand acre wildlife reserve in Sarasota County, Florida,
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Speaker 1: which is where Laundry reportedly went for a hike where
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Speaker 1: he vanished about a week ago. I tell you these
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Speaker 1: guys are law enforcement partners. They're motivated, and they're hundry
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Speaker 1: to find Brian Landry. A heavy police presence outside of
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Speaker 1: a Laundry family home. Earlier this week, the FBI executed
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Speaker 1: a search warrant at the residence to collect evidence that
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Speaker 1: may provide clues in the ongoing case. Investigators are now
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Speaker 1: looking into what role Brian Laundry's parents may have played
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Speaker 1: as the case now shifts to a homicide investigation. If
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Speaker 1: their sign was in a sense, I don't feel that
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Speaker 1: they should have Lawyer off as soon as he came
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Speaker 1: back into the state. Welcome to Crime Stories. Thank you
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Speaker 1: for being with us here at Fox Nation and Serious
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Speaker 1: XM one eleven. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories
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Speaker 1: straight out to Joe Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University.
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Speaker 1: You know the old pinball machines where you'd pulled back
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Speaker 1: the handling and go and the balls would go everywhere? Remember,
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Okay, So that's what's happening right now in
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Speaker 1: my head. Just what I just heard gives me so
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Speaker 1: many questions. And I'm sure you know, Joe Scott death
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Speaker 1: investigator what they are with me an all star panel.
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Speaker 1: First of all, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags,
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Speaker 1: host of Today with Doctor Wendy KCBQ. You can find
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Speaker 1: a Wendy Patrick, PhD dot com. Doctor Jory Crasen, psychologist
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Speaker 1: faculty Saint Leo University and author of Operation s O. S.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Founder Director of the Cold Case Research Institute.
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, who you've already heard Professor Forensics Jacksonville
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Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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Speaker 1: and star on a hit series, The Piketon Massacre on iHeartRadio.
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Speaker 1: Special guests joining us. Emmy nominated reporter who has been
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Speaker 1: covering the case from the get go for Fox thirteen,
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Speaker 1: Sydney Glenn is joining us and another special guest, Ben
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Speaker 1: dough Bran Virginia Beach Emergency Medical Services, Marine Dive Team,
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Speaker 1: and Search and Rescue. He is the Dean of the
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Speaker 1: d Henry Watt School of Professional Studies at Virginia Wesleyan University.
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Speaker 1: My goodness has a long website TDI SDI dot com,
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Speaker 1: Ford slash ardi. I'm not even going to ask. Look,
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Speaker 1: I'm just a JD. That's way too technical. You know
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Speaker 1: right now we know dive teams have been brought out
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Speaker 1: to Carlton Reserve. Would you play the sound we just
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Speaker 1: heard from Fox five one more time? Listen to this
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Speaker 1: everybody underwater. Dive teams are joining the search for Brian Laundry,
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Speaker 1: the person of interest in the death of twenty two
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Speaker 1: year old Gabby Petito, his fiance. A team meet up
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Speaker 1: of ten divers and sixty Officers from multiple agencies are
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Speaker 1: focusing on a twenty five thousand acre wildlife reserve in
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Speaker 1: Sarasota County, Florida, which is where Laundry reportedly went for
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Speaker 1: a hike before he vanished about a week ago. Go
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Speaker 1: I tell you, these guys are law enforcement partners. They're motivated,
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Speaker 1: and they're hunry to find Brian Landry. A heavy police
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Speaker 1: presence outside of a Laundry family home. Earlier this week,
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Speaker 1: the FBI executed a search warrant at the residence to
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Speaker 1: collect evidence that may provide clues in the ongoing case.
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Speaker 1: Investigators are now looking into what role Brian Laundry's parents
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Speaker 1: may have played as the case now shifts to a
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Speaker 1: homicide investigation. Their sign was in a sense, I don't
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Speaker 1: feel that they should have lawyer off as soon as
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Speaker 1: he came back into the state. I'm telling you that
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Speaker 1: Fox five News reporter Phil Blower really laid it on me.
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Speaker 1: Did you hear all of that condensed information? First of all,
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Speaker 1: we learned that there are there's not one to ten
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Speaker 1: divers in the water. We've been telling you how Carlton
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Speaker 1: reserves twenty five thousand acres of swamp and woodland underwater
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Speaker 1: about ninety percent. We've been told seventy five to nine
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Speaker 1: of Carlton Reserve is currently underwater right now. It's the
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Speaker 1: rainy season, and I keep hearing people talking about pythons.
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Speaker 1: Pythons are not native to Florida. I know that there
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Speaker 1: are rattlesnakes coming out during rainy season, there are water
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Speaker 1: mocasins coming out during rainy seasons. There are alligators, pythons.
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Speaker 1: But here's the funny thing about Florida. A lot of
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Speaker 1: people get pythons and then they don't want them anymore.
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Speaker 1: They keep them in a tank and they let them
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Speaker 1: go and they actually reproduce. And there is a python
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Speaker 1: contingent in Florida. I didn't know they were at Carlton Reserve. Also,
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Speaker 1: we're hearing there's a heavy police presence outside the Laundry
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Speaker 1: family home. I guess so after they've already left Brian
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Speaker 1: Laundry slipped through their fingers. There was a search worn
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Speaker 1: earlier this week at the home. We know that, but
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Speaker 1: we took they took out bags of evidence. What was
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Speaker 1: in those bags and they're now looking into the role
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Speaker 1: the parents may have played. Well, it's about time. Let's
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Speaker 1: start at the beginning. I want to go out to
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Speaker 1: our special guest, Sydney Glenn, Emmy nominated reporter who has
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Speaker 1: been covering the case from the get go for Fox thirteen.
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Speaker 1: I think there are so many questions when you look
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Speaker 1: back to what happened, and maybe it really starts in Moab.
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Speaker 1: So if you've ever been to Moab, Utah, it's very
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Speaker 1: touristy location. But you think about that nine one one
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Speaker 1: called It was just released this week. He's slapping her
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Speaker 1: in the middle of a tourist location. Yeah, right, I understand.
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Speaker 1: There was that Wyoming restaurant video where they were having
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Speaker 1: a big fight in a restaurant. Then there's the nine
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Speaker 1: one one calling Moab. Then there's a body cam video
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Speaker 1: we have also in Moab. I want to circle back
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Speaker 1: right now to the search happening at Carlton Reserve. That's
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Speaker 1: what's happening right now. Ben Dobren joining me Virginia Beach
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Speaker 1: Emergency Medical Services Marine Dive Team. You know, I've dived
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Speaker 1: I don't know three hundred times all over the world
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Speaker 1: before I had children, of course, because I don't want
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Speaker 1: to risk a dive accent when I have them to raise.
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Speaker 1: But being ten divers. What is that telling you? Well,
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Speaker 1: ten sounds like a lot, and I just want to
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Speaker 1: I appreciate that you're a recreational and sport diver, but
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Speaker 1: that's a very different kidding. I mean, when I was
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Speaker 1: doing recreational diving, especially like on a night dive, there
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Speaker 1: were times you couldn't see in front of your face.
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Speaker 1: You couldn't see your hand even in the daytime, much
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Speaker 1: less somewhere like Carlton Reserve. Yeah, I'm looking at pictures
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Speaker 1: of Culton Reserve. I've never dove there, but we dive
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Speaker 1: the Great Dismal Swamp where I am, and it's it's
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Speaker 1: very similar. And the water's like black paint coffee, And
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Speaker 1: so you just gave me a visual. The water is
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Speaker 1: like black paint or coffee. Did you hear that? I guess.
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Speaker 1: Do they have lamps on? Lamps don't work. You don't
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Speaker 1: because as soon as you're at the bottom, and you
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Speaker 1: got to remember all evidences at the bottom, so you've
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Speaker 1: got to be feeling around with your hands, and so
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Speaker 1: it's mud and so you're stirring up the bottom even
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Speaker 1: if you have maybe a foot or two foot of visibility.
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Speaker 1: As soon as you start searching it's gone. So lamps
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Speaker 1: don't do anything. Everything. I tease my new divers, and
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Speaker 1: so I'm a police diver. Also, I'm not just an
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Speaker 1: MS diver. I'm a police diver. I do evidence researches,
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Speaker 1: and this is evidence research. You close your eyes because
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Speaker 1: as soon as things start passing, you see things, especially
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Speaker 1: now that you know, now that you've pulled us. There's
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Speaker 1: snakes in the water where we die, there's snakes, they're
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Speaker 1: snapping turtles, There's all sorts of indigital creech. It's better
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Speaker 1: off just to close your eyes and use your hands.
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Speaker 1: You are searching with your hands, and also matters what
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Speaker 1: you're looking for. I mean a car is very different
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Speaker 1: than I don't know, a knife or a gun or
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Speaker 1: a body. All of these have very different search parameters.
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Speaker 1: And I'm looking at pictures all this water surrounded by trees.
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Speaker 1: There's trees in the water. Branches feel a lot like knives.
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Speaker 1: So I mean you have to It is a time consuming.
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Speaker 1: Never you say there's ten divers, you go through ten
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Speaker 1: divers very quickly because they will wear themselves out. Climb
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace, Guys with me a special guest
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Speaker 1: bend Bran, professional diver with Marine Dive Team in search
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Speaker 1: and rescue there in Virginia Beach. Will you say that again?
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Speaker 1: Start with it's hot in Florida and they're wearing wetsuits. Well,
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Speaker 1: they're wearing wetsuits or probably dry suits, so it's hot.
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Speaker 1: They're getting worn out quickly. And I'm looking at the
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Speaker 1: satellite picture of this place. There's no paths to a
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Speaker 1: lot of these waterways. There's no roads to these, so
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Speaker 1: they're having to slept their gear. Oh that's a lot
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Speaker 1: of gear, hey, Bend Bran. You know on TV, in
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Speaker 1: movies you see people diving with a little rebreather stuck
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Speaker 1: in their face. Yeah, that's that's mostly. I mean, they
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Speaker 1: do exist, but that's mostly in the movies. When you're
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Speaker 1: saying they're schwepping their equipment, it's a lot. Yes, it is,
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Speaker 1: and it's heavy, and they've got to be wearing full
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Speaker 1: wet suits or dry suits because you don't want something
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Speaker 1: to bite your leg. No. And the one of the
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Speaker 1: things you have to realize is it's not the Caribbean,
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Speaker 1: it's not the Keys. It's contaminated water. Even though it
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Speaker 1: looks beautiful, you got to remember it there's animals that
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Speaker 1: die in that water. There's animals that go to the
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Speaker 1: bathroom in that water. So the water is dirty. And
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Speaker 1: you know, if we're searching for a car or something
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Speaker 1: or an airplane, there's fuel in the water. So I
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Speaker 1: mean what public safety diving is all about trying to
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Speaker 1: not we dive encapsulated. We dive in dry suits with
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Speaker 1: dry suit hoods and gloves and full face masks. None
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Speaker 1: of our I leave the water and the only the
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Speaker 1: only thing that's wet on me is my body because
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Speaker 1: of sweat. I'm not actually physically in contact with the water.
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Speaker 1: And so the gear is different in public safety diving.
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Speaker 1: But it's hot, and it's it's exhausting. I mean it is.
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Speaker 1: These these ten divers they're gonna have to cycle through,
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Speaker 1: and they're gonna probably start asking from mutual aid from
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Speaker 1: nearby counties and nearby other dive teams because you can
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Speaker 1: burn through ten divers very quickly. You know, what is it?
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Speaker 1: Bindoughbre And I got a question for you. When I
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Speaker 1: would come up from diving, say an hour, and I
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Speaker 1: was always caution not to stay down over an hour,
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Speaker 1: I would feel totally exhausted after one hour deep underwater,
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Speaker 1: Why does it exhaust you so much to die? You're
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Speaker 1: moving muscles. You're not used to moving your whole body.
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Speaker 1: When we were walking, we're using some muscles. If you're
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Speaker 1: lifting weights, using something. When you're diving, you're using every
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Speaker 1: single muscle in your body, especially if you're not doing
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Speaker 1: it on you know, regularly. You're also breathing compressed air.
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Speaker 1: You know, when you're breathing comparsed air, that drives you out.
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Speaker 1: It drives out your throat, drives out you're you know,
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Speaker 1: you come up and you're really thirsty. I want to
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Speaker 1: have a because you're breathing all that compressed there. But
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Speaker 1: add the stress, you know, I realize most people haven't
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Speaker 1: actually looked for any evidence underwater. Well, if you're looking
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Speaker 1: for a body, even if you're expecting to find a body,
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Speaker 1: it still startles you. I mean, when you come and
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Speaker 1: you grab a body in dark water, it's it's kind
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Speaker 1: of I mean, it's difficult to grab a human body
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Speaker 1: underwater and black water, and you have to sit there
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Speaker 1: because we mark it evidence. Your recovery underwater is the
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Speaker 1: same as on the surface. We have to take pictures,
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Speaker 1: we have to you know, put a buoy on the surface.
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Speaker 1: We have to measure things. It's for evidence recovery. It's time.
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Speaker 1: Once you find the evidence, it's still time consuming. Then
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Speaker 1: we have to bring it up. If it's a gun
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Speaker 1: or a computer, we have to bring it up in
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Speaker 1: a package where it stays in the water, because then
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Speaker 1: it has to go to the lab and fingerprints stay
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Speaker 1: on materials if you keep them wet. So we keep
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Speaker 1: everything in a container until it gets to the lab.
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Speaker 1: So you put it in a container underwater and then
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Speaker 1: bring it up. Yes, yes, I hadn't thought about that.
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Speaker 1: You're right, because once you start passing it up, then
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Speaker 1: you're destroying fingerprints and evidence that could be on it. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: And it's the same sort of rules with a chain
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Speaker 1: of custody and so underwater evidence recovery is very similar
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Speaker 1: to above water. It just adds the element of it's dark,
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Speaker 1: it's cold, it's hot, there's animals. I mean, it adds
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Speaker 1: lots of different it's much you know all the rules.
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Speaker 1: I know the rules for recreational diving. I don't know
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Speaker 1: anything for evidence recovery. Yeah, okay that I do know
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Speaker 1: about evidence recovery. I'm just thinking about how hot And
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Speaker 1: for those that don't know what's the difference between a
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Speaker 1: wetsuit and a dry suit? Well, and at you get wet.
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Speaker 1: A wetsuit is made of neoprene, and what it does
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Speaker 1: is it feels kind of like a sponge material, but
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Speaker 1: a layer of water gets between you and the suit
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Speaker 1: and then your body heats it up. What a dry
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Speaker 1: suit does is you're encapsulated, think, but it's like a
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Speaker 1: big custom fit hefty bag around your body, so the
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Speaker 1: water doesn't actually permeate it, so your body stays dry.
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Speaker 1: And for very cold water or dirty water, you want
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Speaker 1: to be in a dry suit. Wetsuit's working warmer for
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Speaker 1: probably maybe sixty sixty five degrees. Anything colder than that,
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Speaker 1: you don't want to dry suit. But in a wetsuit
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Speaker 1: you'll get wet. In a dry suit, you'll stay dry
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Speaker 1: and hot down in Florida and a swamp. Right now, guys,
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Speaker 1: you're hearing the voice of Ben do Brand and Virginia
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Speaker 1: Beach Emergency Medical Services, Marine Dive Team Search and Rescue. Guys,
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Speaker 1: the search is on right now as the investigation into
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Speaker 1: Gabby's death continues. But a couple of questions, and everybody
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Speaker 1: on the panel jump in. All right, if you have
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Speaker 1: an idea, identify yourself and jump in first. To you,
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Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, if they initially said that the surge is over,
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Speaker 1: it was indicated they don't believe he's in Carlton Reserve.
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Speaker 1: But then why are they still there Wendy Patrick. Yeah, Well,
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons they're there, Nancy, is that's where
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Speaker 1: his parents claimed that he went. Now, boy, you think
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Speaker 1: that you hope that's true. After listening to Ben is
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Speaker 1: what's actually involved in this search, you hope that that's true.
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Speaker 1: They'd be looking maybe for a body, maybe for clues,
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Speaker 1: you know, unless this man that the survivalist, and of
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Speaker 1: course we don't know as much as it would like
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Speaker 1: to about his background. Yet they would hope that finds
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Speaker 1: something to go on that would lead us to him.
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Speaker 1: Because now that we've classified it as a homicide rather
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Speaker 1: than the other types of categories of death, it could
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Speaker 1: be this investigation has changed a bit. There's a more
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Speaker 1: sinister tone, and they're looking for clues they're going to
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Speaker 1: lead them to the person of interest as we're still
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Speaker 1: calling him. Guys, Hey, listen to our one thirty two.
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Speaker 1: This is Christian Thorn, ABC seven this afternoon, The Sarasota
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Speaker 1: County Sheriff's Office sent divers into the waters of the
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Speaker 1: Carlton Reserve in Venice, Florida. A spokesperson for the Northport
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Speaker 1: Police Department says they're using dive teams, boats, and sonar
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Speaker 1: equipment in their search for Brian Laundry, but that does
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Speaker 1: not mean anything has been found here. It's just part
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Speaker 1: of the overall search process. They say. They also searched
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Speaker 1: by ground again today. We deployed numerous resources and we
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Speaker 1: are trying to cover every acre and this preserve straight
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Speaker 1: back out to our friend joining us there on the ground, Sydney, Glenn, Sydney,
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Speaker 1: do they have or do you know whether they've got
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Speaker 1: dogs out there as well? Or are they focused on
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Speaker 1: the water right now? I think we've seen both of that.
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Speaker 1: I mean, when you look for Brian Laundry social media,
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Speaker 1: you know, he's a very experienced hiker. He's that kind
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Speaker 1: of hiker that goes barefoot everywhere. But when you look
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Speaker 1: at Carlson Reserve, it's very different. It's all water. And
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Speaker 1: why is he still out there? Why are they still
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Speaker 1: looking for him? I know they said they canceled that
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Speaker 1: search because of weather condition that now they're still there
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Speaker 1: the car was there. All he left with apparently was
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Speaker 1: a backpack. You can't survive out there with a backpack
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Speaker 1: no shoes for this many days. I mean, we know
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Speaker 1: he's an experienced hiker, but this is slump plan its downdbooks.
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Speaker 1: This is yeah, almost swimming more. Yeah, straight after Joseph
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Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, professor forensics at Jacksonville's Joe Scott, let's think
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Speaker 1: this thing through. They're back out there today. We know
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Speaker 1: they brought ten divers, which is very unusual, as been
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Speaker 1: dobra and pointed out, that's a lot of divers. But
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Speaker 1: what led them there? Are they looking for Brian Laundry's belongings,
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Speaker 1: his backpacks, a knife? What are they looking for? And
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Speaker 1: if the dogs are still there, does that indicate to
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Speaker 1: you that the dogs have gotten a hit? Yeah, it
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Speaker 1: could be a nancy to the peripheral issues of evidence,
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Speaker 1: not just him, but anything he may have discarded out there.
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Speaker 1: And they're also looking for evidence that he may have
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Speaker 1: camped there for a while. That would lead them to
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Speaker 1: this idea that they can validate that he actually was there.
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Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you, I'm kind of at a
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Speaker 1: point now where until I see them bring them out
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Speaker 1: in handcuffs or body bag. I'm not going to believe
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Speaker 1: that he's in there because there's so many things that
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Speaker 1: are kind of out of line and out of whack
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Speaker 1: here relative to timelines and how there is such a
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Speaker 1: lack of urgency on the part of the parents. Now,
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Speaker 1: I've worked cases with them in Atlanta and the corner
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Speaker 1: in New Orleans where I've had people that were so
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Speaker 1: distraught because they have been accused of committing a homicide
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Speaker 1: that they went and took their life. And I've had
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Speaker 1: people that have walked out into bodies of water to
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Speaker 1: take their life, and that does, in fact happen. But
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Speaker 1: why would you walk out into a swamp to take
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Speaker 1: your life? Well, yeah, I think I think probably. Well
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Speaker 1: that's the big question, isn't I think part of this
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Speaker 1: has to go to yeah, And this goes to does
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Speaker 1: he have a you know, a turnout kit, you know,
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Speaker 1: as it's referred to, where you're just going to bolt
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Speaker 1: and a bugout bag if you will. But Nansa is
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Speaker 1: something that's really making me angry about this whole situation.
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Speaker 1: You know, you remember back a few years ago when
18:55
Speaker 1: we had that nonsensical case of the runaway bride, and
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Speaker 1: all of these all of these cops, all of these
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Speaker 1: resources were poured into that. Do you remember what they
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Speaker 1: did to her afterwards? They penalized her. She was actually
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Speaker 1: charged like an amount of money, you know, toward all
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Speaker 1: of this. Let me tell you something, one of the
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Speaker 1: most precious resources that we have, Nancy, are our people
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Speaker 1: in public safety, those people that go and stick their
19:23
Speaker 1: necks out on a daily basis. This is a very
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Speaker 1: hostile embodiment said, He's making all of them search, risking
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Speaker 1: their lives to try to find him, when the only
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Speaker 1: reason we think is there is because the parents said so.
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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, the entire social media community
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Speaker 1: has galvanized in the search for Gabby, the investigation into
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Speaker 1: her death, and the search for Brian Laundry. Takeulous at
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Speaker 1: our cut forty. Here's a TikTok or see Barnes listen
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Speaker 1: to her questions. This message is for Fox News or
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Who is Brian Laundry? How was he as
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Speaker 1: a child, Where did he grow up? What school did
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Speaker 1: he go to? Did he go to college? Has he
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Speaker 1: graduated college? Has he kept a job? Does he have
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Speaker 1: a job, does he own a car. Does he own
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Speaker 1: a firearm? Was he ever in a mental health facility?
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Speaker 1: Was he on any antipsychotics? Does he have any ex's
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Speaker 1: that can attest to his behavior and how he acted
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Speaker 1: towards Gabby? Why are we not figuring this out? Why?
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Speaker 1: How is this man able to evade the police and
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Speaker 1: the FBI? How is he able to get away with
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Speaker 1: bare feet, a backpack and a receding hairline? How the
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Speaker 1: heck has he been able to do this? Give us something? Okay,
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Speaker 1: see Barnes TikTok or here are a few answers. Gabby
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Speaker 1: Petito and Brian Laundry knew each other in high school,
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Speaker 1: but then they saw each other years later and started
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Speaker 1: a relationship. They're both from New York Long Island. His
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Speaker 1: parents later moved to Northport. It's about thirty five miles
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Speaker 1: south of Sarasota and Sarasota County. The parents have been
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Speaker 1: involved for a long time in beverage services. They ran
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Speaker 1: their own business called Juicer Services, regarding the sale and
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Speaker 1: service of juice equipment like wheat, grass, organic juices, vegetable
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Speaker 1: juicing equipment. They've been involved with a couple of those
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Speaker 1: companies regarding their relationship. Joe Petito said his daughter had
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Speaker 1: dated Laundry about two and a half years and that
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Speaker 1: he observed Laundry was always quote respectful. What does that mean?
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Speaker 1: How is he going to act one of the parents.
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Speaker 1: That's one way, and then in front of other people
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Speaker 1: in Moab, he slapped her and hit her. According to
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Speaker 1: a nine one one call, the home where Gabby was
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Speaker 1: staying with the Laundry family in Florida. Remember her family's
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Speaker 1: in Long Island is a ten thousand square foot property.
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Speaker 1: It's there at I think forty three forty three with
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Speaker 1: Saba was that the correct address? And it's a three
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Speaker 1: bedroom to bath with a pool in the back. As
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Speaker 1: a child, Laundry was described as quiet end quote really nice.
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Speaker 1: As I told you, he grew up in Long Island.
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Speaker 1: He went to Bayport Blue Point High School. That's stir
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Speaker 1: He first met Gabby he was a junior, she was
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Speaker 1: a sophomore. Did he go to college, No, he did not,
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Speaker 1: He just moved home. Did he graduate No, we don't
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Speaker 1: even we don't think he went to college. What more
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Speaker 1: do we Let's see the couple both worked at Public supermarket,
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Speaker 1: although we've heard different jobs that Gabby may have had.
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Speaker 1: That was just prior to the road trip, and Gabby
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Speaker 1: had been saving up to go on the trip. I
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Speaker 1: don't know about him. We don't know if he owned
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Speaker 1: a firearm. But there are photos of his bedroom that
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Speaker 1: my friends at the New York postcott, and it did
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Speaker 1: show a firearm up on the wall. It was painted
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Speaker 1: like an American flag. I don't know if that was usable.
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Speaker 1: Has he ever been in a mental health facility, not
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Speaker 1: that we know of. Was he ever odds antipsychotics. We
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Speaker 1: don't know if he ever was or was not. But
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Speaker 1: at the time of the mo app incident, we heard
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Speaker 1: Gabby Laundry state they don't drink. We have no reason
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Speaker 1: to think that they were on drugs. We also heard
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Speaker 1: them say that they were not on meds. Any X says.
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Speaker 1: Let's see friends describe the relationship as tumultuous. One minute
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Speaker 1: they're happy, the next minute they're fighting. Always had a
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Speaker 1: lot of drama in the relationship. Now that's what other
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Speaker 1: people saw on the outside, So what was it like
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Speaker 1: on the inside. How in the world did he evade police?
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that for a moment. Doctor Jerry Crossen, psychologist,
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Speaker 1: faculty Saint Leo university and author I believe he had
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Speaker 1: some help evading police. Yeah, I do too, And looking
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Speaker 1: at the behavior of both him and his parents, there's
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Speaker 1: such similarity in controlling. You see, they control the agenda
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Speaker 1: by plugging in the lawyer. They control this appearance and
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Speaker 1: then disappearance. So I would expect him to be in
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Speaker 1: control of the situation, even down in the swamp if
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Speaker 1: he's not there and he's somewhere else and say, has
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Speaker 1: already left the country. Well, this is another thing that
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Speaker 1: we know in our cut one thirty seven. Uh, this
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Speaker 1: is on Fox the Storm. Listen. You saw Brian and
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Speaker 1: his dad working on one of their campers in the driveway. Charlene,
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Speaker 1: can you tell me about that? Um? I actually didn't.
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Speaker 1: My husband saw that. I didn't really witness. Okay, So William,
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Speaker 1: what did you say, day? Yeah, Well, I was doing
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Speaker 1: some work in the front yard, and you know, I
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Speaker 1: noticed that they got got a new UH camper for
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Speaker 1: the back of the pickup. And I didn't think anything unusual.
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Speaker 1: You know, they got a new camper, so they wanted
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Speaker 1: to put their own touch inside of it. I saw
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Speaker 1: them doing some work, and then when they prepared for
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Speaker 1: their trip, I saw them loading the camper. Now you're
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Speaker 1: talking about Brian and his parents after he returned home,
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Speaker 1: is that correct? In a different camper? Yes, the van
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Speaker 1: is this is his His father has a pickup truck
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Speaker 1: which they purchased a inbid camper like an attachment camper.
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Speaker 1: And take a listen to this one thirty eight. So
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Speaker 1: and then you say that they packed up that camper
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Speaker 1: Brian and his mom and dad, and they went camping.
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Speaker 1: Do you know that for sure? Uh? We we saw them.
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Speaker 1: I saw them loading it up. And so assume they
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Speaker 1: were preparing for a you know, a camping trip with
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Speaker 1: their new camper. They were going for the weekend. Yea.
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Speaker 1: So how long after it was long after he got back,
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Speaker 1: you know, alone in that white van. How long after
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Speaker 1: that was this when you saw them working on this
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Speaker 1: other camper and getting ready to go away together. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I can't remember, you know the date? Yeah, we probably
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Speaker 1: probably week week and a half. Let's figure out what
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Speaker 1: we just heard to Sydney Glenn joining us, she's been
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Speaker 1: covering this for Fox thirteen. I'm very curious. Did he
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Speaker 1: leave in the camper with them and never come back?
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Speaker 1: So the neighbors did spot him there at the home
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Speaker 1: in Northport after September one, But then they all left
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Speaker 1: in the camper. What if anything do we know about
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Speaker 1: that Sydney Glenn. I mean, it sounds really plausible. We
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Speaker 1: do know that he's obviously a big camper, that's his thing.
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Speaker 1: But then the question is why are his parents saying
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Speaker 1: that he went for this height? They have his car
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Speaker 1: over at the reserve. It's just, you know, you just
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Speaker 1: don't really know what his parents involvement are. And then
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Speaker 1: they get the lawyer of the second that he comes home.
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Speaker 1: He never talks to anyone yet they're not scared if
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Speaker 1: they're publicly in front of their house packing us a camper. Well,
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Speaker 1: I've got a little bit more information, let's analyze it.
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Speaker 1: According to a new report, neighbor says they saw Brian
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Speaker 1: Laundry September eleven leave the home with his family camper attached.
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Speaker 1: It happened before police got gabbies, then out of the driveway.
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Speaker 1: They don't know if Brian Laundry came back. They have
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Speaker 1: not seen Brian Laundry since then. We do know that
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Speaker 1: tip was sent to the FBI. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott Wagy in you. I think that when they
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Speaker 1: went camping. I'm curious did the car happen to leave
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Speaker 1: at the same time when they headed out on this
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Speaker 1: family camping trip, and why why they take it out there?
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Speaker 1: You know, My supposition through this whole thing, Nancy, is
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Speaker 1: that this is a Rusee, this is a ruse to
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Speaker 1: put the police off the target of him. I don't
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Speaker 1: think he's in that swamp. I think he's out somewhere
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Speaker 1: else wandering around. I certainly don't think he's out in
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Speaker 1: that hostile environment attempting to survive. Okay, because I've also
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Speaker 1: heard that the police are using infrared flyover, So if
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Speaker 1: they're flying over that area, they're trying to pick up
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Speaker 1: on any heat signatures that are out there that might
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Speaker 1: bounce back to them to give them an indication. And
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Speaker 1: the infrared technology that they have now is so sensitive
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Speaker 1: you can delineate between what's a deer, for instance, or
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Speaker 1: a wild boar and certainly a human being. So they're
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Speaker 1: not picking up on that. So the big question is
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Speaker 1: where is he at this point? Did they put him
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Speaker 1: on a boat to go somewhere. Is he still in
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Speaker 1: the state of Florida. I live in Alabama, and Nancy.
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Speaker 1: They were saying that, you know, they thought that they
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Speaker 1: had seen him here in Ala, Bama. So where is he.
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Speaker 1: He's had sufficient enough time to put distance between himself
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Speaker 1: in that location down there. You know, many jump in
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Speaker 1: first of all, is that Sydney Glenn? Yeah? I was
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Speaker 1: just going to say, you know, there was that rumor
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Speaker 1: and I don't know if this is true enough. There's
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Speaker 1: that rumor that recently he went live on Instagram for
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Speaker 1: just a second and people claim he was on a boat.
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Speaker 1: So I think a lot of people are wondering is
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Speaker 1: that true and is that what happened? You know what,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to circle back to that Instagram But speaking
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Speaker 1: of the siding of him down and Uncle Lusa, take
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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut one twenty nine. This is
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Speaker 1: Fox ten MA Bill. People online said this person captured
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Speaker 1: on a game camera in Okaloosa County on Monday looked
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Speaker 1: very similar to Laundry and strongly fit his description. The
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Speaker 1: Okaloosa County Sheriff's Office said that it is not him.
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Speaker 1: They confirmed that that he was not the one caught
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Speaker 1: on camera. Investigators saying they have positively identified the person
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Speaker 1: seen here and say it's an Okaloosa County resident. The
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Speaker 1: man who's not being identified, told deputies he was the
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Speaker 1: one walking on the deer trail early Monday morning carrying
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Speaker 1: his backpack. Chaff's deputies near Baker, Florida, searched the area
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Speaker 1: yesterday and didn't find any evidence that laundry was in
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Speaker 1: the area. Deputy searched on foot and deployed drones for
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Speaker 1: several hours. Investigators familiar with the person noticed the resemblance
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Speaker 1: to the photo. They contacted him and confirmed it was him,
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Speaker 1: not laundry. Investigators who worked on this in Okaloosa County
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Speaker 1: saying there's no indications that laundry is or was ever
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Speaker 1: in their area. Straight back out to our special guests
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Speaker 1: joining us Ben Dobran, who is a marine rescue expert
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Speaker 1: joining us at A Virginia. We also know that in
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Speaker 1: addition to ten divers, which I like you find to
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Speaker 1: be quite that's a big number of divers. Usually yeah,
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Speaker 1: maybe one or two, maybe three in the water, they've
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Speaker 1: got ten. But they're also using sonar. Explain Man. Sonar
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Speaker 1: can be used as a couple different models, and what
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Speaker 1: it does is it bounces sound waves off and it
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Speaker 1: gives a picture. It gives a visual picture of what's
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Speaker 1: on the bottom, and so you know you haven't to
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Speaker 1: have to have a little bit of depth. You're not
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Speaker 1: gonna do it in three or four foot of water,
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Speaker 1: but you know up to five feet beyond you can
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Speaker 1: use it. There's whole mounted sonar that's you know in
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Speaker 1: a lot of ways. If you're familiar with the fish
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Speaker 1: finder on you know, recreational boat, it kind of the
32:32
Speaker 1: same idea as a fish finder, but a little bit
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Speaker 1: you know better. And then there's tota raise. We have
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Speaker 1: things that look like torpedoes for deeper water, and when
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Speaker 1: we go off in the Atlantic or the chest Big
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Speaker 1: Bay here, we'll do our toe to raise and we
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Speaker 1: can raise and lower that based on the depth, and
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Speaker 1: that'll throw out a much a better sonar picture. But
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Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're getting a picture of the bottom.
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Speaker 1: And we don't like you said, ten divers, they're gonna
32:56
Speaker 1: they're gonna wear themselves out. So if you have sonar,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna die when you get a target. You're not
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Speaker 1: just gonna looking at the Google maps of that place.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot of water there. You can't just search
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Speaker 1: every piece of water. So if you have targets to
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Speaker 1: dive on that gives you something specific. I see something
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Speaker 1: in the water that looks interesting, I'm gonna put divers
33:16
Speaker 1: to go after whatever that is that looks interesting. There
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Speaker 1: in the middle the thick of a nationwide manhunt for
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry. Twitter users go wild after they believe Laundry
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Speaker 1: accidentally live streamed from insta Instagram while on the run.
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Speaker 1: It immediately went viral on Twitter, and it was apparently
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Speaker 1: just a few seconds, as Sydney Glynn pointed out of
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Speaker 1: laundry apparently on a boat. This was just days after
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Speaker 1: he quote went missing. This led to the search of
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Speaker 1: the nearby Culture Reserve for Laundry, but with no luck.
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Speaker 1: The account alleged went live and broadcast a couple of
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Speaker 1: seconds of what appeared to be a boat in the water,
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Speaker 1: and it led to all sorts of speculation. I'm looking
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Speaker 1: at it right now and I'm curious about whether it's
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Speaker 1: really from laundry. It shows the water, it shows the
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Speaker 1: edge of a skiff boat and allegedly from his account
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Speaker 1: joining me right now. Cheryl McCollum, director of the Cold
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Speaker 1: Case Research Institute, Cheryl, why are they still at Carlton
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Speaker 1: reserve if they don't think he's there. And what do
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Speaker 1: you make about the parents with another attached camper And
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Speaker 1: this was on about September eleven. People saw laundry there.
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Speaker 1: They all get into it's a trout with an attached
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Speaker 1: camper and leave. I think first the tampon trip with
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Speaker 1: the parents is very curious to me because you've got
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Speaker 1: an adult son that he knows he's lived his fiance
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Speaker 1: somewhere and he decides to go camping with it just
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Speaker 1: his parents. I mean, I find that odd. At the
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Speaker 1: very least, I find it almost criminal if he's been
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Speaker 1: again helped and aided to escape and avoid, you know,
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Speaker 1: some type of detection by his family, Which is to me,
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Speaker 1: what did appearance has happened? If he was on live
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Speaker 1: on Instagram, that tells me he's got a phone, this
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Speaker 1: gout his asps down, I don't know that that was him.
35:29
Speaker 1: I don't want to focus too much on insta I'd
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Speaker 1: like to focus on whether or not he has been
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Speaker 1: seen since his parents came back from the camping trip
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Speaker 1: with a new attached camper, because he has not. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: because did you see this significance that was before cops
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Speaker 1: came and got Gabby's. Then, well, let me tell you
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Speaker 1: what else I noticed on his dad's read truck. There
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Speaker 1: is splashed sandy mud. Where did that come from? I
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Speaker 1: got a question for you, Cheryl McCollum. A lot has
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Speaker 1: been made, And before we get away, I want to
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Speaker 1: play some sound about what Sidney Glenn was telling us
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Speaker 1: earlier regarding the fight in Wyoming. You know what, Let's
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Speaker 1: just start with one thirty five real quick. Oh my god. Okay,
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to try to go like more in
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Speaker 1: k detail now. I just wanted to get like the
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Speaker 1: general just like the gist of it out there, like
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna cry, this is so weird. I just I
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Speaker 1: went to the bathroom. They were sitting right next to us,
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Speaker 1: like right next to us, and we were both sitting
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Speaker 1: right by the host of stand right by the front door.
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Speaker 1: I went into the bathroom, I came back, and they
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Speaker 1: were like abruptly leaving, like something happened. At first, my
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Speaker 1: first thought was like they were displeased with the service
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Speaker 1: and they were walking out or they were trying to
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Speaker 1: get out of paying their bill. But it was kind
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Speaker 1: of like a scene and I was like zoned in
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Speaker 1: for some reason, and Matt was like on his phone
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Speaker 1: and I was like, like, put your phone down, like
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Speaker 1: something is like going on, you guys. It was like
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Speaker 1: a scene like and something that doesn't happen every day
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Speaker 1: at a restaurant, the way the way he was acting.
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Speaker 1: She was crying, she was upset. This had to be
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Speaker 1: right before she died. And let's hear the rest. I
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Speaker 1: cut one thirty six. This is TikTok user Nina Sally.
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Speaker 1: So she walks out, she's upset, she's crying, and he's
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Speaker 1: like more angry, like you could tell like she's it's
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Speaker 1: more sadness for her, and she's crying for some reason.
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Speaker 1: I don't know reason. I don't know if she was
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Speaker 1: embarrassed or what. Because I don't know I put it here.
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Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on. I could just
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Speaker 1: see what was unfolding. And so she's standing on a sidewalk.
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Speaker 1: I could see her good front door, and she's standing
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Speaker 1: on the sidewalk crying, and he walks out with her,
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Speaker 1: but then like right away, turns around, walks right back in,
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Speaker 1: and he's you know, kind of like violently like talking
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Speaker 1: to the hostess, and you could tell he's angry and
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Speaker 1: and she they're just kind of like doing the whole
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Speaker 1: like like sorry, like we don't know what to tell
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Speaker 1: you kind of thing. You could tell he was relentless.
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Speaker 1: He wouldn't drop it. Whatever it was, he wouldn't drop it.
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Speaker 1: He walked out, he walked back in the restaurant probably
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Speaker 1: four more times, just to kind of make a scene
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Speaker 1: and just to get his point across, which, you know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what that was. I really don't know
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Speaker 1: what happened, but she just apologized. I think she was
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Speaker 1: telling him like, come on, like just drop it, let's go,
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Speaker 1: and she like looked at the hostess and she was
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Speaker 1: just like, I'm sorry, and that was it. Straight out
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Speaker 1: to Sydney Glenn covering this from the gig for Fox thirteen, Sydney,
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Speaker 1: what do you make of Nina Seely's account. It's not
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Speaker 1: surprising to me when you look into all of the
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Speaker 1: accounts coming from friends, that he's volatile, that he's mean,
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Speaker 1: that there's ups and downs, that he's controlling. And I
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Speaker 1: saw one report even that you know, he wouldn't let
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Speaker 1: anyone drive her, really, he had to drive her. This
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Speaker 1: controlling mis fighting when they're not afraid to fight in public.
38:57
Speaker 1: There was another article that came out back to just
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Speaker 1: from one of the Archer's National Parks personnel who said
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Speaker 1: she actually warned Gabby and said, is this really a
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Speaker 1: relationship you want to be it? Are you sure this
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Speaker 1: is a relationship you feel comfortable with? Because that just
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Speaker 1: shows how often they're having these type of explosive fight.
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Speaker 1: I wonder what the fight was about at the restaurant.
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Speaker 1: Do we know what it was about Sydney. We don't
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Speaker 1: know what that particular fight is about, but it sounds
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Speaker 1: like he's fighting with her about everything. I mean, how
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Speaker 1: many of these type of instances have we heard about?
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Speaker 1: I mean, if you'll act like that in public at
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Speaker 1: a restaurant, what would you do behind closed doors? Way
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Speaker 1: is Sharon McCollum. It is volatile Thanky, And again I
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Speaker 1: cannot agree with you more. He's doing these things in
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Speaker 1: broad daylight, in public, in front of witnesses, and he
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Speaker 1: doesn't care. He wasn't trying to hide the fact that
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Speaker 1: he was, you know, being aggressive with the wait staff.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't trying to hide the fact, in broad daylight,
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Speaker 1: in public, on freaking Main Street, that he is clapping
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Speaker 1: Gabby repeatedly. He has gotten to the level of violence
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Speaker 1: that he can no longer hide it. What are your
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Speaker 1: other insights before we signed off, Cheryl, I think the
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Speaker 1: fact that law enforcement is zeroming in on an area,
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Speaker 1: it may not be that they necessarily think he's there.
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Speaker 1: Maybe they think there's evidence there that has been ditched.
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Speaker 1: As his search, a culture reserve goes on, ten divers
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Speaker 1: risking their lives to find Brian Laundry. We wait to
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Speaker 1: hear the cause of death for Gabby Petito. We know
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Speaker 1: the manner was homicide. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off
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Speaker 1: Good Life