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America First Has Taken Over Turning Point USA | America Unfiltered #180 · America Unfiltered With James P

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  America, we are so fucking back, baby.
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  Welcome to another episode of America Unfiltered.
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  We got a great show for you guys.
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  We have just one major topic I want to talk about tonight.
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  I want to talk about America Fest.
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  I want to talk about what happened there, the different
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  speeches, the different breakout rooms, the different debates
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  that were happening. And once again, Nick Fuentes was
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  right. Nick Fuentes fucked Turning
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  Point USA and now it is filled with gropers.
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  And that became very clear this weekend.
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  I mean, everybody was pandering to the gropers.
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  Everybody besides Ben Shapiro, who pretty much got laughed out
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  of the fucking event. Ben Shapiro made an
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  embarrassment of himself. And again, I, I think the
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  downfall of Ben Shapiro is something we're all kind of
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  celebrating a little bit. He, he taught us how to debate.
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  He, he taught us critical thinking skills when we were
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  younger, We watched his videos, we grew up watching him only for
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  us to come back and defeat him. The gropers are here.
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  We're not going anywhere. And America Fest, it was filled
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  with gropers. So I want to talk about that
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  today. It's going to be a fun show
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  again. It's not going to be the longest
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  show, it's not going to be the craziest show, but it will be a
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  very fun one. I think America Fest was a
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  pretty crazy event. I sadly was not able to make it
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  this year, but I will be there next year.
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  But sadly, I was sick. There was too many complications
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  with it being this close to the holidays.
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  But I'll make it work for next year.
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  Don't worry guys, but we do have a lot of footage to go over a
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  lot of videos that were uploaded on the X platform and on YouTube
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  of Turning Point US as America Fest.
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  We're going to show videos from Ben Shapiro, Tuck Carlson,
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  Bannon, Vivek Ramaswamy, who again, he he made an
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  embarrassment of himself as well.
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  He was like, there's no such thing as a heritage American.
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  Anybody can become an American just by moving here.
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  Fuck you, you're wrong. Who are you?
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  Who are you? And I kind of used to like Vivek
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  as well. And then as I learned more and
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  more and as I my views evolved, it just faded away pretty fast.
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  I mean, Vivek is, he's embarrassing.
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  And he, he, it's very clear he, he hates the identity politics.
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  And that's something we talk about a lot here.
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  Identity politics are important. I mean, it's who we are.
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  I'm a white Christian man and I am unapologetic about it.
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  I think Vivek Ramaswami wants everybody to just be super
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  accepting of all cultures in America, and he doesn't think
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  America actually has a culture. He thinks the multiculturalism
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  that has been happening is the culture of America.
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  No, it's not. You're fucking wrong.
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  And we're going to talk about that today.
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  I also want to end the show going over a debate that I
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  watched from America Fest. There was a lot of different
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  debates and breakout rooms and things like that, and I haven't
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  seen all of them. So I don't want to say that this
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  was definitely the best cause. Again, there could have been one
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  I didn't see that was better or equal to.
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  But the debate between Kentucky and Michael Knowles was very
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  great. It was the ballroom debate and
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  we are going to watch the full debate at the end of the show
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  today. I'm filming this earlier in the
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  day, so we won't be doing comments today.
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  We will be doing all the comments from yesterday's show
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  and today's show on Friday when we're back on Friday after the
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  holidays, after Christmas Eve and Christmas, I hope everyone
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  is able to have a beautiful holiday season with their
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  family, beautiful Christmas with their family.
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  Christmas is it's a very fun time of the year.
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  It's nice to be with family, it's nice to celebrate, it's
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  fun, you know, I love Christmas, hope you guys do too.
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  I'm a little tired right now as well.
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  Like I said, I'm filming this pretty early in the day and I'm
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  about to go get on a flight. But with that we are going to
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  get right into the show. I want to remind you guys to
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  America Unfiltered and America First.
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  But with that, let's get right into the show.
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  Let's stop wasting time. Let's get over to our big
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  screen. We're going to go video by
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  video. We got a few different ones to
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  show you. I want to start with Ben Shapiro
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  and then we'll go over to Tucker Carlson's response to Ben
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  Shapiro. Then we'll go into Bannon and
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  then we'll go into Vivek. We'll do one or two Erica videos
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  and then a JD Vance video before we get into the debate at the
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  very end just to lay out what the show is going to look like.
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  But it's very clear the gripers won.
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  The gripers have won. They've taken over.
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  And this was a very fun clip to watch.
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  And Jack Pasovic even gave his take on this clip right here.
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  You cited during your speech truth as the most important
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  tenet of American conservatism. Why, therefore, did you call
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  irrelevant the Israeli attack in 1967 on the USS Liberty with
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  left dozens of American servicemen dead?
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  At hundreds wounded. You guys hear that fucking
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  applause that that might have been the loudest applause all
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  weekend? That that was the loudest
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  applause all weekend from almost any video I saw.
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  The griping of America's here, baby.
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  So what I actually said is that if we're looking at modern
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  Israeli American relations, looking at an attack that
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  happened mistakenly by multiple Navy reports, multiple Israeli
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  reports and all available evidence, and using that attack
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  in order to undermine today's relations between Israel and
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  America, that's irrelevant. As relevant as it would be to
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  cite a piece of evidence from World War 2 or from 1776 to
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  define America's relations with, for example, Great Britain or
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  Germany today, that. So he thinks it's irrelevant to
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  cite something from the 60s but he constantly talks about the
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  Holly? Come on Ben, you're
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  contradicting yourself. Does not mean that the attack
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  wasn't horrible for the Americans involved, that it
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  wasn't bloody and terrible. You can't ask these questions.
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  A little call back to Candace's freaky clip.
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  The Israeli government paid reparations to the people who
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  were killed. If you look at the actual
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  military record of what happened on the USS Liberty, it was
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  clearly a mistaken and tragic attack.
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  The people who frequently cite the.
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  They're flying an American flag. They had American whole numbers
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  and it was a radio broadcast ship where they were
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  broadcasting over air saying this is an American ship, stop
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  attacking us. But no, it was a mistake.
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  And then he justifies it by saying the flag fell.
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  It's like OK, but what about the whole numbers with them
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  broadcasting and the flag fell because they attacked the ship
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  and the flag was knocked out? The USS Liberty, however, are
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  not talking about the specifics of the USS Liberty.
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  I suspect that the vast majority of people who bring this up are
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  doing so in order to suggest that Israel deliberately attacks
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  an American ship because Israel deliberately wants to harm
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  America. It's connected generally with a
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  larger. It's not because they generally
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  want to harm America. It's because they wanted to pull
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  a false flag and get us involved in a war.
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  And it worked. Point.
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  I wonder if that's your point. If the truth matters, then the
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  Israeli government must be held accountable for that attack.
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  The American flag was flying on that ship.
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  You do not mistake an American ship for a foreign one when our
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  flag is flying. So and we can spend the rest of
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  the time talking about the specifics of US liberties have
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  or you can actually go look at the naval investigations that
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  were done, multiple naval investigations that were done.
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  The reality is that people were flying Mirage planes for the
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  Israeli military at the time. The USS Liberty was sailing in
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  an area where did essentially go on off grid.
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  The Israeli military mistook it for an Egyptian ship and they
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  thought it was shelling all Arish, which happened not to be
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  true in the initial attack. The American flag was knocked
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  down and then the attack went on for.
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  About in the initial attack. So the American flag was there,
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  they still attacked it, the flag was knocked down, and then they
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  continued to attack it. Why'd the initial attack
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  happened? 90 minutes and then as soon you
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  can hear this by the way, on the tapes of the Israeli clouds
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  talking to each other, as soon as they realize that it's an
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  American ship, they call off the attack.
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  They speed a ship to try and help the USS Liberty.
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  Yeah, that was planned, Ben. That was planned there.
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  Have been multiple unfortunate friendly fire incidents between
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  allied forces, including for example in the Gulf War where
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  U.S. forces were responsible for killing about 9 British troops
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  during the Gulf War. It's an unfortunate reality of
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  war. But you're not answering my
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  question, which is what is your broader agenda in asking the
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  question? Because I suspect that your
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  question is not limited to your specific ire over an incident
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  that happened in 1967. I think we should question any
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  foreign countries relationship with our government.
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  That's totally fine. I'm just wondering why you serve
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  American interests. Again, that I'm perfectly fine
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  with questioning any countries relationship with the United
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  States. But again, I'm wondering what
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  your motivation is in bringing up a six decade old attack as
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  though it is the number one issue in assessing the
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  relationship between Israel and the United States today.
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  Well, many problems persist to this day, but it's interesting
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  that you say 6 decade old incident when there are many
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  people in this audience who are alive for that attack as if this
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  is sure that's irrelevant. Well, it doesn't.
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  No, it's just not. Particularly relevant to
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  assessing the relationship between the United States and
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  Israel today in the same way that in 1967, there are a wide
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  variety of countries with which the United States had different
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  relations. OK, it's it's clearly not going
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  to actually answer the question, so I'm happy to move to this
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  one. Yeah, Ben Shapiro got mogged by
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  a fucking kid. And then here's what Jack
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  Pasobic had to say. And then we'll go back to
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  Shapiro. As Navy veterans, as anyone who
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  serves the Navy, you learn about, you study, and you
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  realize that we live in a serious world.
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  And it's something that a lot of people in the Navy feel that we
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  never really got full accountability for, still have a
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  lot of questions about. The Navy investigation that was
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  done in the official statement that came out a lot of people
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  said, you know, just doesn't feel like it's good enough when
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  you have a naval a ship with flying the US flag that's being
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  attacked by a country that you are nominally supposed to
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  believe is an ally. But one interesting piece on
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  this that I've also heard from Roger Stone goes like this.
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  So if you look at it, the Blake when?
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  Was the when was the Gulf of Tonkin?
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  I think it was 6364. Yeah, 6364 was Gulf of Tonkin.
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  Then you have USS Liberty, which comes in 67.
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  And so the Gulf of Tonkin incident was a situation where
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  the president at the time, LBJ, used this sort of like fake hoax
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  to get the United States involved in the war in Vietnam
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  by claiming a ship had been attacked.
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  Roger Stone says that he's got evidence that it was LBJ was
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  trying to do the exact same thing with the USS Liberty to
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  try to get the US involved in that war as well, to turn around
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  and claim that it wasn't Israel that attacked, but that it was
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  Egypt that attacked. So I think that's an
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  interesting, that's an interesting case study, and it's
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  something that I'd certainly like looking a lot more myself.
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  Yeah, Ben Shapiro wants to say it was nothing.
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  Then Jack Pasovic's like, no, there's probably a false flag.
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  And then here's Ben Shapiro seething a little bit more.
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  So for example, if you host a Hitler apologist, Nazi loving,
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  anti American piece of refuse like Nick Fuentes, you know the
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  Nick Fuentes who said that the Vice President of the United
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  States is a quote fat gay race traitor married to a jeet.
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  The person who said that Charlie Kirk was a quote retarded idiot.
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  The person who said and pardon my language here, it's his quote
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  that he quote took Turning Point USA and fucked it and that's why
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  it's filled with gripers. Do you guys find it funny that
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  he said, he said Gee just fine, but then he gets to the part
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  where he has to say fuck and he says part of my language, I'm
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  gonna say Gee, it's fine though, but part of my language, fuck.
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  Wait, that's crazy. That's kind of funny, but he's
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  right. Nick fucked Turning Point USA
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  and now it's filled with gripers he deposited right into Turning
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  Point USA and look where we're at.
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  If you have that person on your show and you proceed to glaze
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  him, you ought to own it. Glaze glaze.
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  He's trying to relate to the if you glaze him.
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  There is a reason that Charlie Kirk despised at Nick Fuentes
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  and indeed even tried into Nesh D'souza for debating him.
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  He knew. Yeah, because Charlie was taking
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  money from Israel. That was documented.
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  That Nick Fuentes is an evil troll and that building him up
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  is an act of moral imbecility. And that is precisely what
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  Tucker Carlson did. He built Nick Fuentes up, and he
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  ought to take responsibility for that, just as he ought to take
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  responsibility for blazing pornographer and alleged sex
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  trafficker Andrew Tate, or for mainstreaming fake historian.
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  Now he's shitting on Tate. Cobra come on, don't make us
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  send the army. Tate is a top G.
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  And pseudo Nazi apologist Darrell Cooper, as America's
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  best and most honest popular historian hosts are indeed
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  responsible for the guests they choose and the questions that
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  they ask those guests. Yeah, Ben Shapiro was seething.
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  And then Tucker immediately just comes out and he's like, fuck
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  you, Ben Shapiro, Thank you very much.
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  Thank you. Walking out is always such a
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  trip at these things. I just, I just got here and I
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  feel like I missed the first part of the program.
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  I hope I didn't miss anything meaningful, but I just want to
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  say I don't think I did. No, I'm just kidding.
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  I watched it. I laughed.
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  I laughed at that kind of bitter, sardonic laugh that
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  emerges from you. And like upside down world
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  arrives when your dog starts doing your taxes and you're
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  like, wait, it's not supposed to work this way.
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  To hear calls for like deplatforming and denouncing
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  people to Charlie Kirk event. I'm like, what?
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  This is hilarious. Yeah, this is hilarious.
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  Actually, one of the clips I was listening to myself thinking as
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  I often do when I hear myself speak, which is never because I
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  never watch myself, but at these events always play like the the
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  role of you. And I'm like, that guy is
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  pompous. Sorry about that.
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  We don't see ourselves clearly. But the prediction that, you
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  know, at some point when Republicans took power again,
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  which I did everything I could, you know, to help and really
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  felt that was important. I still think, you know, I was
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  right. But I really thought that the
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  impulse to de platform people or even to use the word platform as
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  a verb, which it's not, it's a noun.
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  Don't steal my nouns de platform and denounce.
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  Why haven't you denounced somebody else?
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  The whole like Red Guard cultural revolution thing that
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  we so hated and feared on the left that we did everything we
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  could to usher in a new time where you could have an actual
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  debate. I mean, this kind of was the
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  whole point of Charlie Kirk's public life.
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  And I think that I think that he died for it.
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  I really believe that. And I know a lot about it
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  because the last several months of Charlie's life were devoted
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  in part to arguing about this event.
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  In fact, this speech, in fact, my speech here, which he asked
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  me to do earlier this year, this summer, and was immediately put
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  under just immense pressure from people who give money to Turning
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  Point, I would assume good people, but who wanted him to
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  take me off the roster. And this has all become public.
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  And I, the whole thing is so sad that I never talked about it
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  except to say Charlie stood firm in his often stated and deeply
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  held belief that people should be able to debate.
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  And that if you have something valid to say, if you're telling
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  the truth, you ought to be able to explain it calmly and in
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  detail to people who don't agree with you.
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  And that you shouldn't immediately resort to shut up.
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  Racist. Then we have another Tucker clip
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  as well where he talks about the Ben Shapiro speech a little
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  more. To question your motives,
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  actually, why can't you answer the question?
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  Why can't you answer that question?
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  Why do you have to imply that some college kid is like some
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  kind of Hitlerite or something because he's asking about an
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  event? Like what?
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  By the way, it is OK to ask questions.
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  And I thought that was like the whole reason we were against the
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  left. I'm not going to force you to
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  get up there and make ritual denunciations because this isn't
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  my religion. It's politics.
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  By the way, your politics do not trump my love for other people.
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  Remember my brother once said to question your motives, actually.
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  And. Then we're going to keep going
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  on with the Tucker clips. Most people agree with that.
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  Most Americans have more in common with each other than they
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  disagree on, and almost everybody agrees on that.
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  And almost everybody is willing to tolerate a good faith
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  argument about how to get there, except a few.
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  And they're the ones running around calling everyone an anti
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  Semite. But everyone else is like, yeah,
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  of course that should be the debate and they'll vote for you.
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  They want that because they know they haven't had that.
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  That's the fact. And what you're watching now,
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  attacking people on the attacking millions of Americans
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  because they're Muslims, it's disgusting.
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  And I'm a Christian. I'm not a Muslim.
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  I'm never going. I know there's a lot of effort
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  to claim I'm a secret jihadi. I'm not.
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  You should not attack people on those grounds.
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  And you're seeing it from Republic.
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  What the hell are you doing? What you're doing is trying to
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  divide the country. And I've lived through 50 years
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  of this crap, all these fake race wars that they're always
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  promoting. Oh, go hate each other while we
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  loot the treasury. That's exactly what's going on.
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  And most people are totally sick of that.
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  So yes, there is a possibility for a huge coalition of decent
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  people once they free their minds from the traps set for
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  them by others and realize, wait a second, we all want to make
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  this country better. And the 15% or 30% who don't,
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  OK, you know, good luck in Maryland or wherever you wind
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  up, but the rest of us would like to fix it.
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  And then I think we just have one more Tucker video.
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  Or was my theology is super simple.
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  I like the beatitudes read them yesterday.
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  I I actually think was it Michael reading them some of
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  them here. I I think any person, any honest
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  person says it's the essence of the Christian faith and killing
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  10s of thousands of children and then making excuses for it on
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  behalf of a foreign government is not in there.
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  It's antithetical to that, sorry.
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  It doesn't make me a hater. It makes me the opponent of
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  hate. So now that I've alienated most
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  in the crowd with my staunch position against violence and
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  power worship and money worship, which are also prohibited and we
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  should also keep that in mind and in all of us is the desire
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  to suck up to power and accumulate money we don't need.
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  We're not allowed to, sorry. Anyway, now I made everyone mad.
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  Are there any questions that I can answer?
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  See, I'm not all in on Tucker. I don't like the way he's kind
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  of turned on Nick slightly, but I do like that he called out the
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  genocide. I do like that he called out
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  Usury. I like that he called out Ben
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  Shapiro. And his CIA connections are
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  still kind of iffy and we do have to question that.
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  But I do appreciate that somebody at America Fest stood
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  up for the America First Patriots, even if they are
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  pandering. I, I still think it's important
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  that an at an event of this magnitude that there is somebody
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  who is going to speak for the America Firsters in the room.
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  I mean, that room is full of gropers right now.
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  A lot of people who dislike Israel, question Israel,
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  criticize Israel, and that's a good thing.
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  We need people to criticize foreign governments.
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  We need people to give these government shit when they take
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  money from us or attack us or push us into wars we don't need
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  to be in. So I think it's a really
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  positive thing that the griping of America and the griping of
• 18:53
  Turning Point USA is happening. And I thought Bannon gave a a
• 18:58
  good little speech there. Let's I got a couple clips of
• 19:02
  Bannon that I want to show you guys too.
• 19:05
  Shapiro is like a cancer, and that cancer spreads.
• 19:12
  It's a cancer and it metastasizes.
• 19:14
  He tried to take over Breitbart and I ran him out of there.
• 19:17
  He tried to take over David Horowitz's, who was his mentor.
• 19:20
  Don't ask me, ask the guys associated with David Horowitz
• 19:22
  what he did there. He tried to take that over.
• 19:24
  And mark my word, he will make a move on Turning Point because
• 19:28
  he's always been envious of Charlie Kirk.
• 19:33
  Shapiro is like a cancer and that cancer.
• 19:36
  Shapiro is like a cancer and he said he'll make a move on
• 19:39
  Turning Point. Sorry about that.
• 19:45
  And I like Bannon and questioning him a little bit
• 19:48
  because there are photos of him and Epstein.
• 19:50
  And I do want answers to that. Very obviously, I think anyone
• 19:53
  involved with Epstein, no matter what their policies are, we need
• 19:56
  to denounce. So hopefully we get more
• 19:59
  information on that. But I do think he gave a good
• 20:02
  speech at Turning Point at America Fest, and this was
• 20:06
  another little snippet of his speech as well.
• 20:10
  And here's I want to make sure that we get something straight
• 20:11
  tonight. We have a partners discussion
• 20:14
  and I want to say up front if I hurt some feelings here, you can
• 20:17
  come and talk to me afterwards. This whole thing that's going on
• 20:21
  the last couple days from the comments tonight, this is not
• 20:24
  about this specific incident. It's not about freedom of speech
• 20:28
  or platforming or deplatforming. They're all talking about that
• 20:30
  and that's, you know, people are saying hurtful things to each
• 20:33
  other. Tucker said the quiet part out
• 20:36
  loud. This is a proxy on 28 now.
• 20:40
  I think it's way too early to be thinking about 28.
• 20:43
  But he's right about one thing. This is a proxy on an issue
• 20:47
  that's not freedom of speech and not are you going to get
• 20:50
  platform to deplatformed. This is about a situation that
• 20:56
  Charlie Kirk was probably one of the most, if not the most
• 21:00
  important person in doing and accomplishing, and that is his
• 21:04
  concept of what I would call greater Israel and Israel first.
• 21:11
  Wow, people calling out Greater Israel Project and Israel first.
• 21:16
  I mean, that's huge as well to happen at an event of this
• 21:19
  magnitude. And there were even like, little
• 21:21
  arguments between just, you know, your traditional GOP
• 21:26
  conservatives and your gropers, or may I say the traditional
• 21:31
  conservative women and the groy pets.
• 21:35
  But here's a little debate between a groy pet and some
• 21:37
  seething bitch that's. The issue.
• 21:42
  We're going to fix that audio. Sorry, that was probably fucking
• 21:45
  crazy loud. Here we go.
• 21:47
  Let's restart that. That's the issue.
• 21:52
  I'm a proud supporter of English.
• 21:53
  Amazing. A little boy.
• 21:55
  No, he's not a. Little boy.
• 21:56
  So do you also think Keller was cool and he was like a.
• 21:59
  Good guy, I mean, bad survey. Because really because very anti
• 22:02
  Christian, very anti western civilization, obviously I very
• 22:06
  anti equals. OK, but I think that is for me.
• 22:09
  But then you're saying the numbers of the Holocaust were.
• 22:11
  See, a good edit's a good edit like I mean, they just don't get
• 22:15
  that a good edit is a good edit. Not the real numbers.
• 22:23
  There are 4 million right now. When you're becoming
• 22:26
  historically a literally become cool.
• 22:28
  But when did that become? That's the.
• 22:32
  Issue, she is a proud Groy bro. A proud Groy bet, may we say.
• 22:35
  I mean, that's awesome. We got Groy Betts literally
• 22:38
  holding the fucking line at Amfest for Nicholas J Fuentes,
• 22:41
  which is awesome. We're going to keep going on
• 22:44
  with the show here. Let me get our next clip pulled
• 22:47
  up. There we go.
• 22:49
  I want to talk about this Vivec. I mean, Vivec was one of the
• 22:53
  most embarrassing speeches possibly the entire weekend.
• 22:57
  People thought Ben Shapiro's was bad.
• 22:59
  Vivec literally got up there and was like, no, America doesn't
• 23:03
  have a culture and I'll let you guys see it.
• 23:07
  It's fucking absurd. I have two Vivec clips I want to
• 23:09
  show you guys and. Ronald Reagan understood this.
• 23:12
  He famously said, you know, you could go to Italy, but you would
• 23:15
  never be an Italian. Ronald Reagan.
• 23:17
  But. You would never be a German.
• 23:19
  You could pack your bags and live the rest of your life in
• 23:21
  China or Japan. You would never be Chinese or
• 23:23
  Japanese. But you can come from any one of
• 23:25
  those countries to the United States of America and you can
• 23:27
  still be an American. They can pledge allegiance to
• 23:29
  the ideals in that frat, so long as you work hard.
• 23:32
  Nope. You play by the rules, you make
• 23:34
  your contributions, obtain your citizenship.
• 23:36
  You are every bit an American as somebody descended from the
• 23:39
  Mayflower. It is called the American Dream
• 23:42
  for a reason. There is no Canadian dream.
• 23:44
  There is. James Fishback said this when I
• 23:46
  met him, and I found it to be a good comparison to this,
• 23:49
  actually. But we used to repeat the Matt
• 23:53
  Walsh talking point. What is a woman?
• 23:54
  And liberals would say a woman is someone who identifies as a
• 23:58
  woman. That's basically what he's doing
• 24:00
  here. It's like, what's an American?
• 24:01
  American is someone who identifies as American.
• 24:03
  No, that's not true. American is somebody who
• 24:07
  actually fits into the culture. European descent, usually.
• 24:10
  American is somebody who is the with founding stock in this
• 24:14
  country. I mean, Vivek, you couldn't be
• 24:17
  more wrong, could not be more wrong.
• 24:20
  There's no British dream. It sounds kind of goofy to say
• 24:22
  it There's no Chinese dream, OK, It is the American dream that
• 24:27
  makes American exceptionalism possible.
• 24:28
  And the answer of what it means to be a conservative, this is
• 24:31
  what it's. Up to the American dream is
• 24:32
  being born in this fucking country.
• 24:34
  Your parents being born in this country, having kids and having
• 24:39
  a house, not not a fucking anchor baby like you coming into
• 24:42
  my country and taking jobs in spots in the schools.
• 24:46
  Now that that's not the American dream, Vivek, go the fuck home.
• 24:49
  Just answer It is a fork in the road for the future of the
• 24:51
  conservative movement right now. What does it mean to be a
• 24:54
  conservative? It means we can serve those
• 24:56
  ideals that define our country. And now is a moment, a time for
• 25:01
  choosing in the future of our conservative movement.
• 25:06
  Yeah, you sound like a dumb bitch.
• 25:09
  About criticizing the woke left. Now let me get to the harder
• 25:12
  part. There's a different vision of
• 25:14
  American identity that's emergent in certain corridors of
• 25:16
  the online right. And it says that your identity
• 25:19
  as an American is based on your lineage, that how long you have
• 25:24
  been in the country, your lineage and your genetics tied
• 25:26
  to the blood and soil of the country determines how American
• 25:29
  you are. It is the idea of a heritage
• 25:30
  American. It says.
• 25:31
  The truest format of an American is somebody who is a descendant
• 25:34
  of the American Revolution period or before.
• 25:37
  And I will tell you this idea of the heritage American, we ought
• 25:40
  to have this discussion. It's becoming more popular.
• 25:43
  I think the idea. Of a heritage American is about
• 25:45
  as loony as anything the woke left has actually put up.
• 25:49
  There is no American who is more American than somebody else.
• 25:52
  The American quality, it's not like the left, they believe in
• 25:54
  this non binary stuff. There's no non binary American.
• 25:56
  It is binary. Either you're an American or
• 25:58
  you're not and you think about it.
• 26:00
  I could prove this to you. Thank you.
• 26:00
  I'll take some applause. No, that's not true.
• 26:03
  Some people are just here taking up space.
• 26:06
  What's on that, if you really. Believe in this idea.
• 26:11
  Think about where it leads you, leads you to believe that Donald
• 26:14
  Trump is less of an American than Joe Biden because Donald
• 26:16
  Trump's mother was an immigrant and his grandfather was an
• 26:19
  immigrant. That doesn't make any sense.
• 26:20
  Leads you to believe that somehow Bernie Sanders is more
• 26:23
  of an American than Senator Bernie Moreno from my home state
• 26:26
  and America First Patriot. Because Bernie Moreno was a
• 26:28
  naturalized citizen from Colombia.
• 26:30
  It makes you think that Marco Rubio, our great secretary of.
• 26:33
  Yeah, he's not a real American. State is somehow less of an
• 26:37
  American than Elizabeth Warren because she's a Native American,
• 26:40
  which we all know, right? Doesn't make any sense.
• 26:42
  No, a Native American is someone like me.
• 26:44
  I'm native to the land of America.
• 26:46
  You are not Vivek. Go the fuck home.
• 26:51
  It's loony. It's crazy talk.
• 26:52
  Go home. It makes you believe that
• 26:54
  somehow I am less of an American than the transgender criminal
• 26:57
  who assassinated Charlie Kirk. We refuse to accept that the
• 27:01
  idea that a heritage American is a more American than another
• 27:03
  American is UN American at its core.
• 27:05
  And I will fight to the very end for that, because that's what it
• 27:07
  means to be an American. We believe in ideals.
• 27:10
  That is who we are. Yeah, no, fuck off.
• 27:17
  All right, We're going to get to our last couple of videos.
• 27:19
  I have two JD Vance videos. In this one Erica Kirk video, it
• 27:22
  seems pretty clear that they've already decided JD Vance 2028 is
• 27:26
  who they want. And I'm not for Vance.
• 27:29
  I think there's too many connections with Silicon Valley,
• 27:32
  Palantir, Peter Thiel, corruption with the Israel
• 27:36
  lobby. But we're going to, we're going
• 27:40
  to watch these videos. This is Erica Kirk saying she
• 27:44
  wants to get JD Vance elected as the 48th president.
• 27:49
  For both 2026 and 2028, we're investing in States and not just
• 27:53
  in races. So what I mean by that is we are
• 27:56
  building the red. Wall.
• 27:57
  Arizona, Nevada, New Hampshire. That's going to be very
• 28:00
  important to us. We're going to ensure that
• 28:02
  President Trump has Congress for all four years.
• 28:07
  Probably not going to happen. We are going to get my husband's
• 28:10
  friend JD Vance elected for 48 and the most resounding way
• 28:15
  possible. Yeah, that's definitely not
• 28:17
  going to happen. 2026 and 2028 we're invested.
• 28:21
  JD Vance is going to lose, and it's going to be very fucking
• 28:24
  embarrassing for Turning Point when they spend 100, some
• 28:27
  $1,000,000 to get this guy elected and he loses still.
• 28:31
  But here's JD Vance trying to avoid the Groiper curse.
• 28:33
  He's trying to do everything he can to avoid denouncing the
• 28:36
  Groipers completely. And some people saw the clip
• 28:39
  where he was like where he told Nick to eat shit.
• 28:43
  But if you actually listen to the full clip, he's like anybody
• 28:46
  who talks about my wife, whether it's this lady or Nick Fuentes,
• 28:49
  they could eat shit. That's not denouncing, that's
• 28:51
  just saying fuck off when it comes to talking about my wife,
• 28:53
  which is honestly a more respectable statement side of
• 28:56
  you. I mean all of you, each and
• 28:58
  everyone. President Trump did not build
• 29:01
  the greatest coalition in politics by running his
• 29:04
  supporters through endless self defeating period.
• 29:06
  He tests, he says, make America Great again because every
• 29:11
  American is invited. We don't care if you're white or
• 29:19
  black, rich or poor, young or old, rural or urban,
• 29:25
  controversial or a little bit boring, or somewhere in between.
• 29:29
  People of every faith come to our banner because they know
• 29:32
  that the America First movement will make their lives better.
• 29:35
  And they also know that the Democrats don't care about
• 29:36
  anything other than maybe transiting their kids.
• 29:42
  So if you love America, if you want all of us to be richer,
• 29:45
  stronger, safer and prouder, you have a home on this team.
• 29:56
  I didn't bring a list of conservatives to denounce or to
• 29:58
  de platform, and I don't really care if some people out there,
• 30:02
  I'm sure will have the fake news media denounce me after the
• 30:04
  speech. But let me just say, the best
• 30:07
  way to honor Charlie is that none of us here should be doing
• 30:11
  something after Charlie's death that he himself refused to do in
• 30:14
  life. He invited all of us here.
• 30:23
  Charlie invited all of us here for a reason, because he
• 30:25
  believed in each of us. All of us had something worth
• 30:34
  saying, and he trusted all of you to make your own judgement.
• 30:38
  And we have far more. I
• 30:51
  didn't realize I stole my mic muted from when I called.
• 30:53
  My bad. But that was Van China.
• 30:55
  Not denounced. The gripers kind of sidestepping
• 30:59
  things a little bit, but he did say that Nick Fuentes is not
• 31:02
  allowed at Turning Point events. This video right here though
• 31:08
  this I actually kind of liked a bit.
• 31:09
  But just because Vance has something based doesn't mean
• 31:11
  we're like in on Vance. Like I said, there's too many
• 31:14
  red flags right now, but I want to say something here.
• 31:19
  The only thing that is truly served as an anchor of the
• 31:22
  United States of America is that we have been and by the grace of
• 31:26
  God, we always will be a Christian nation.
• 31:30
  Christ is king. You hear that, Fidel?
• 31:33
  This is a Christian nation. Ben Speer is crying in his paw.
• 31:55
  Now, I want to be explicit because of course the fake news
• 31:58
  media will twist everything that I say.
• 32:00
  I'm not saying do you feel about them the same way I do.
• 32:05
  I'm not saying you have to be a Christian to be an American.
• 32:08
  I'm saying something simpler and truer.
• 32:11
  Christianity is America's creed, the shared moral language from
• 32:15
  the Revolution to the Civil War and beyond.
• 32:17
  Across that history, our country's major debates have
• 32:20
  always centered on how we could best, as a people, please God.
• 32:25
  That greed. Think about it.
• 32:28
  That greed motivated our understanding of natural law and
• 32:31
  rights, our sense of duty to 1's neighbor, the conviction that
• 32:35
  the strong must protect the weak, and the belief in
• 32:38
  individual conscience. Even our famously American idea
• 32:42
  of religious liberty is a Christian concept because we're
• 32:45
  all creatures of God. We must respect each individual.
• 32:51
  This is a Christian nation. What a way to end the event.
• 32:53
  I mean, that was a good little speech by Vance there at the
• 32:57
  end. He had high praise for his
• 32:58
  speech there. We're going to get this last
• 33:01
  video up. The last video is the debate,
• 33:05
  the full debate between Kai and Michael Knowles and I thought it
• 33:11
  was a really good debate and I again Kai beat the shit out of
• 33:14
  him in this debate. Kai is over at Rift TV.
• 33:17
  Kai is one of the smartest people on social media and on
• 33:22
  the alt right side of things in the America first side.
• 33:26
  I think one of the only places me and Kai really disagree is
• 33:29
  he's a Mormon and I'm a Catholic.
• 33:34
  I'm not going to get into my feelings about Mormons and all
• 33:36
  that, but I think Kai is incredibly smart.
• 33:39
  I one of the smartest people in the movement, one of the
• 33:42
  smartest people, like I said, on social media, and I think he
• 33:45
  dominated this conversation versus Michael Knowles and a
• 33:48
  hell of a crossover to have with Michael Knowles and with Kai.
• 33:53
  So we're going to go right into that.
• 33:55
  Let me get it pulled up here. There we go.
• 33:57
  OK, let's get right into the video.
• 33:59
  I thought this was one of the best debates I saw from the
• 34:02
  entire event. I watched a few different ones
• 34:05
  and I thought this was one of the most interesting by far.
• 34:07
  They talk about the civil war that is happening on the right
• 34:10
  and Israel, United States relations a lot.
• 34:14
  So let's get right into the video.
• 34:19
  You think Trump is a schmuck? He was born in Texas.
• 34:21
  Why was it that he flew over to Israel and was told that he was
• 34:23
  at home? Can the United States act
• 34:25
  morally and justly in the world while defending Israel?
• 34:29
  Now. If your tactics were, to be
• 34:32
  blunt, a little less douchey at times.
• 34:34
  I mean, I completely disagree, no?
• 34:35
  No, no, no, no. Do not pinch me, bro.
• 34:37
  We have the host of the Steve Days show.
• 34:39
  That would be my friend. Steve Days when?
• 34:41
  You look at the facts on the ground and they don't support
• 34:43
  the narrative. We're literally giving the.
• 34:45
  We're literally signing the greatest also.
• 34:48
  To my left, do you know him from Jubilee?
• 34:50
  And that would be Kai Schwimmer. An existing law which had banned
• 34:52
  premarital. Sex Welcome everyone to a very
• 34:58
  special edition of Bar Fight. We are here at Amfest filled
• 35:01
  with many of the most energetic, patriotic, good looking
• 35:04
  conservatives in the entire country.
• 35:06
  This is the show where I, Michael Knowles, go head to head
• 35:08
  with two esteemed combatants on topics chosen by you until this
• 35:12
  episode. Because usually I would be
• 35:14
  debating 2 liberals on all of these topics, but with Ampfeston
• 35:17
  there is not a single liberal within.
• 35:18
  Why does this shit happen? Why does it fucking freeze?
• 35:21
  All right, give me one moment. Let's get this shit fixed.
• 35:24
  What the fuck? Like this shit's so fucking
• 35:26
  annoying. It does this all the time.
• 35:30
  It really does this shit way too fucking often.
• 35:32
  All right, And we'll skip right back to where we work.
• 35:35
  Does not incentivize risk. It's like the debate didn't
• 35:38
  really start yet. All right, getting it pulled up
• 35:47
  here, it's turning the captions off and we're back.
• 35:56
  What a crazy freeze for him. Until this episode, because
• 36:00
  usually I would be debating 2 liberals on all of these topics.
• 36:03
  But with Amfest on, there is not a single liberal within 150
• 36:06
  miles of Phoenix. And yet there is probably more
• 36:09
  debating going on at Amp Fest this year than at any other
• 36:12
  event in the country, left, right or center.
• 36:13
  Because the American right finds itself in the midst of a civil
• 36:16
  war, a battle for the future of the conservative movement, a
• 36:19
  battle between the old right and the new right, the boomers and
• 36:22
  the zoomers and the. Sorry.
• 36:24
  Millennials and Gen. X debates over foreign policy,
• 36:27
  economic policy, migration, everything in the middle.
• 36:30
  To my left, we have the host of the Steve Days show, author of a
• 36:34
  nefarious plot and a Gen. X conservative par excellence.
• 36:37
  I already gave away his name. That would be my friend Steve
• 36:39
  Days. Thank you brother.
• 36:41
  Good to see you. Also to my left.
• 36:44
  You know him from Jubilee. A man young enough to be my son.
• 36:48
  If I had a child at 13, that would be Kai Schwimmer.
• 36:52
  W Kai. Here is how it works.
• 36:54
  We will be debating three of the most controversial topics
• 36:57
  tearing up the right right now. Israel, immigration and
• 37:00
  economics. The bell rings.
• 37:02
  We Duke it out for that round. Then our friends in the crowd
• 37:04
  can come up to the microphones to pick a fight with any of us.
• 37:07
  But do not wait, because there is a time limit for each round.
• 37:10
  Gentlemen, Are you ready? Ready.
• 37:12
  Let's get started. OK, round one.
• 37:17
  OK, round one, our first topic. The claim is America should
• 37:23
  support the state of Israel. Steve, you want to take it?
• 37:27
  100% America should support the state of Israel.
• 37:29
  And I'm not going to give you any boomer era evangelical
• 37:31
  slogans. I'm not going to take Genesis 12
• 37:33
  three completely out of historical Christian context to
• 37:36
  impeach John Nelson Darby in the dispensation list of the 1860s.
• 37:39
  I'm just going to look at history, Mike.
• 37:41
  I mean, for 1300 years, we had no nation of Israel, but we had
• 37:44
  Islam. This idea that that that our
• 37:46
  relationship with Israel is inciting Islam is an ignorant
• 37:49
  view of history because for the 1300 years we had Islam and no
• 37:52
  Israel, Islam just came after Christendom instead.
• 37:54
  If anything, the nation of Israel is a deflector shield.
• 37:56
  It's acting as a cudgel. It's redirecting some of the
• 37:59
  Islamic energy that historically has been targeted at the Western
• 38:01
  Christendom, and it's targeted at them as well.
• 38:03
  And then I'll add one more point.
• 38:05
  What would Trump's negotiating leverage be with countries like
• 38:07
  Saudi Arabia to get them to the table if there were no Jewish
• 38:09
  state to threaten them with? If there were no Jewish state to
• 38:11
  say, you know what, if you guys don't want to come to the table,
• 38:13
  I guess we'll give Israel all the weapons we haven't given yet
• 38:15
  just to make the fight even it gives Trump a crucial bargaining
• 38:18
  trip, trip to make some of the deals in the Middle East that
• 38:20
  you have seen. And so I think the case is
• 38:22
  closed now. It's not an absolute.
• 38:23
  We put our own interests first. But I think it's the case is
• 38:26
  closed before we even talk about the Bible or eschatology.
• 38:29
  I, I mean, I completely disagree.
• 38:30
  I think, look, we have this unconditional support that we
• 38:33
  are providing Israel. And I don't think that they are,
• 38:35
  you know, one of our vassals and we're being able to, you know,
• 38:37
  use them as this, this force for our geopolitical aims.
• 38:40
  What I see is that Israel's consistently undermining even
• 38:42
  the efforts of President Trump to establish peace in the region
• 38:44
  so much that when you have the vice president, the man 1
• 38:46
  heartbeat away from the presidency in Israel, there's a
• 38:49
  vote held regarding something that President Trump has already
• 38:52
  said is absolutely off the table, the annotation of the
• 38:54
  West Bank. That is absolutely undermining
• 38:56
  the United States authority, what the stated position of the
• 38:58
  president is. And I also think that Israel
• 38:59
  knows they can use US support, which has been largely
• 39:01
  unconditional, in order to involve us in foreign conflicts
• 39:03
  where we don't have to be. Look at the Iran conflict.
• 39:05
  Israel knows they were not going to be able to destroy nuclear
• 39:07
  enrichment sites in Iran if it were not for the help of the
• 39:09
  United States. Exactly.
• 39:11
  And they abused their relationship with the United.
• 39:13
  States they knew when they attacked Iran they because again
• 39:16
  they attacked Iran first. They knew when they attacked
• 39:18
  Iran that they could never destroy the facilities under
• 39:23
  Fordeau Natanzi stuff deep underground.
• 39:26
  They would need the United States bunker Buster bombs.
• 39:28
  Only the United States had the ability to get there.
• 39:32
  So they did it knowing that Big Brother USA would back them up
• 39:35
  no matter what. It's to draw us in and you know,
• 39:38
  God bless I I hope that that conflict does not endure any
• 39:40
  longer. I hope it is not started back
• 39:41
  up. But I think that is a sleeping
• 39:42
  giant. And I think Israel's counting on
• 39:44
  our involvement because they see our relationship with them as
• 39:46
  unconditional. I think that the events of what
• 39:49
  actually transpired in June, with all due respect, contradict
• 39:51
  everything that he just said. We actually saw Arab states fly
• 39:55
  drones to shoot down Iranian missiles aimed at Israel in the
• 39:57
  aftermath of that event. I can understand why there were
• 40:00
  concerns going in. I mean, I, I discussed with
• 40:02
  Charlie privately his concern of this war spilling over into a
• 40:05
  multi regional conflict. But now we have proof of
• 40:07
  concept. You know that you mentioned the
• 40:08
  vice president, he said something interesting if he says
• 40:10
  a lot of things interesting. But one thing that kind of
• 40:12
  percolated to me, especially since Tucker Carlson's one of
• 40:14
  his best friends, is when he said, you know, where a lot of
• 40:15
  people who claimed prior to what the president did to Iran that
• 40:18
  it was going to have a spillover in the region and none.
• 40:20
  That happened and you would think maybe those people would
• 40:22
  go back and reevaluate how they were wrong and instead they just
• 40:24
  continue with their own narrative.
• 40:26
  Instead, what we saw for that to be true means that you think
• 40:28
  Trump, to borrow a Jewish term, is a schmuck.
• 40:30
  That means that you think that that Israel is pimping Trump and
• 40:33
  the tail wags the dog. Reality is, if Israel had done
• 40:36
  that event again, done the operation against Iran that it
• 40:38
  did and it sucked, you know what Trump would have said?
• 40:40
  I'm not wasting any of my political capital on that.
• 40:42
  You're on your own. But because the OP that they did
• 40:44
  was was precise and devastating. He was willing to do what he
• 40:47
  said, which was essentially provide the winning blow.
• 40:49
  And notice we are arguing doing way more about this than the
• 40:52
  Arab world is. Have you noticed this, Michael?
• 40:54
  The American right is arguing, has way more consternation about
• 40:56
  Gaza than what they do in Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan.
• 41:00
  Why is that? And it makes you kind of think
• 41:02
  that maybe there's another agenda.
• 41:03
  At work here, when you look at the facts on the ground and they
• 41:06
  don't support the narrative. Steve, I think if if I could
• 41:08
  tell you exactly why we're talking about this so much, it's
• 41:09
  because our unconditional support for Israel is
• 41:11
  undermining our position as a moral and just actor on the
• 41:13
  world stage when we are literally giving, we're
• 41:16
  literally citing the greatest. Not only is Kai about to
• 41:20
  dismantle, to him intellectually, Kai is just
• 41:22
  mogging on this stage. The least agreements we ever
• 41:26
  have. Ever.
• 41:26
  This is a very. Important point.
• 41:27
  And I noticed it's a shift. So right out the gate, Steve,
• 41:30
  you knock down what I think is the caricature argument of the
• 41:33
  pro Israel side and the weakest argument, namely, you know, the
• 41:35
  Bible tells us we need to be slaves to the nation state of
• 41:37
  Israel and you know, it's our religious duty or whatever.
• 41:40
  And you say put that aside. I'm only speaking in nuts and
• 41:41
  bolts American interests and made a good argument.
• 41:43
  Now you made your side of that argument, but now you're
• 41:46
  shifting it again into a moral question.
• 41:49
  Can the United States act moral? Morally and justly in the world
• 41:52
  while defending Israel. Well, go ahead.
• 41:54
  I think then then rather than shift, I'd actually like to
• 41:56
  stick to what you were saying. I think that absolutely the
• 41:58
  United States does things that are not in the United States
• 42:00
  interest but are actually more so an extension of what the
• 42:02
  policy that Zionists in the United States and also the state
• 42:05
  of Israel would would encourage. And that is anti-Semitism while
• 42:07
  it's cracking down on hate speech and even making illegal
• 42:09
  the burning of a flag. What flag was that?
• 42:11
  It was the Israeli flag even prior to the illegality through
• 42:14
  executive order passed by President Trump of the burning
• 42:16
  of the American flag. Why do we have that idea in our
• 42:19
  politics that it is OK to pass, pass laws only first if they are
• 42:22
  in defense of a foreign nation? And to the point, by the way,
• 42:25
  that we're assembled around this war in the right wing, here's
• 42:27
  the question. There is a conflict in the right
• 42:29
  wing concerning support for Israel.
• 42:30
  We have one side that is saying I will not support the right
• 42:32
  wing if it continues this posture with the relationship to
• 42:34
  a foreign nation. Now, I see those people as
• 42:36
  people who want to prioritize American interests.
• 42:38
  But you have a second party that says that I will retreat from
• 42:40
  the Republican Party. I will even demolish it if it
• 42:42
  stops supporting a foreign nation.
• 42:43
  Now, which one of those two voices do you think is more
• 42:45
  concerned with what's best? For America, that's.
• 42:46
  Going to break the coalition for a foreign country's best
• 42:48
  interest or the one that's trying to preserve this
• 42:50
  country's best interest? I've never advocated for any
• 42:52
  form of anti-Semitism laws. In fact, when this was proposed
• 42:54
  on a federal level, passing federal level early last year in
• 42:57
  response to what the left was doing on college campuses, the
• 42:59
  way I read the bill, you could actually say the New Testament
• 43:02
  is is anti-Semitic. And I remember the anti
• 43:04
  defamation league tried to stop Mel Gibson's the passion from
• 43:06
  being released because it was a faith for the adaptation of the
• 43:08
  gospel according to the the the Gospel of Matthew.
• 43:11
  When I'm advocating is for American interests.
• 43:13
  And again, I think. Doesn't sound like.
• 43:15
  It when guys like you have this position, just be honest.
• 43:17
  You think Trump is a schmuck. So you guys don't want to say
• 43:19
  that because the minute you criticize Trump, all the ratios
• 43:22
  go down? All the guy is go.
• 43:23
  Down. But Trump is the one doing these
• 43:25
  doing this stuff. You're saying that Trump is
• 43:26
  essentially getting pimped out by Israel.
• 43:28
  And so you're you're, you're bypassing Trump to blame Israel.
• 43:31
  But really, Trump is the command in chief in the White House.
• 43:33
  So he's the one making the policies that you claim to
• 43:35
  disagree. With unless you.
• 43:36
  Think that he's the John and they're the pimp.
• 43:39
  You get to respond. I appreciate that.
• 43:40
  Well, I think you're a little bit right.
• 43:41
  I think we do look like schmucks when we allow spies who are Navy
• 43:44
  intelligence agents in the United States, like Jonathan
• 43:46
  Pollard, to meet with the foreign ambassador to Israel.
• 43:48
  And then when we have Carolyn Levitt say that the president
• 43:50
  stands with his foreign ambassador.
• 43:52
  I think we do look like schmucks to let a spy who is selling
• 43:54
  secrets to a foreign government come onto our soil.
• 43:56
  He was born in Texas. Why was it that he flew over to
• 43:58
  Israel and was told that he was at home?
• 44:00
  I. Think that does sound like there
• 44:01
  are foreign interest that come for our own here in America?
• 44:03
  OK, now we open it up to questions more.
• 44:05
  Comments and concerns. I have all of them.
• 44:08
  All right, if, if Christianity is going to outlive this moment
• 44:11
  right now where there is like a surge of interest in
• 44:13
  Christianity, is the future Roman Catholic or is it
• 44:15
  Protestant and what? About Mormons.
• 44:16
  Hold on, Hold on. That's not Christianity at all.
• 44:19
  I don't know. Not the same team, different
• 44:21
  team. OK, but is there more that
• 44:23
  Protestants need to steal from Catholics, or more that the
• 44:26
  Catholics need to go back and relearn from the Reformation?
• 44:29
  Well, yeah, he's got to come over to the Catholic side.
• 44:31
  That's what's got to happen. Listen, I love the Reformation
• 44:34
  because it gave us the Counter Reformation.
• 44:36
  So I I do have an answer to this, and it's not my own.
• 44:39
  It comes from Alexi de Tocqueville, who as far as I'm
• 44:41
  concerned, is the greatest analyst ever of American
• 44:43
  democracy, wrote Democracy in America.
• 44:46
  And in a little quoted but important observation in Volume
• 44:48
  2 of Democracy in America, Tocqueville makes this shocking
• 44:51
  prediction. He says, yeah, America is a
• 44:53
  Protestant country. It looks like it, but over time
• 44:55
  it's going to go one of two ways.
• 44:57
  It's going to go atheist or it's going to go Catholic, both of
• 44:59
  which would have seemed seemed absurd at the time.
• 45:01
  And his argument was that America is a democracy and in
• 45:04
  democracies people hate authority.
• 45:05
  So they want to get rid of religion.
• 45:07
  But if they're going to keep religion, they want it to be a
• 45:09
  uniform religion, a universal religion that applies equally to
• 45:12
  all. And there the answer would be
• 45:14
  the Catholic Church. So we predicted a bunch of
• 45:15
  Catholics in America. And I might have called him
• 45:17
  crazy even 15 years ago. I'm seeing a lot of people swim
• 45:20
  the Tiber is all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying,
• 45:22
  gentlemen. I think America needs to be a
• 45:25
  biblical nation. I think that ultimately the word
• 45:28
  of God is the rock upon which Western civilization was built.
• 45:31
  And, and, and I think that what you're seeing right now, and I
• 45:34
  think this started with Charlie. I think this is confirmed by
• 45:36
  Charlie's memorial. What you saw was the Holy Spirit
• 45:38
  bypass the ecclesiastical structure.
• 45:40
  It essentially gave up corporately on much of the
• 45:42
  church that had become weak, flaccid, watered down guys in
• 45:45
  perpetual Hawaiian shirts and skinny jeans and sweater vests.
• 45:48
  And we're not interested in combating the spirit of the age
• 45:50
  claiming to be seeker friendly. It's funny how all the seekers
• 45:52
  were always in these really posh suburbs where everybody makes
• 45:54
  hundreds of thousands of dollars and can write all kinds of tie
• 45:56
  checks. You know who was really seeker
• 45:58
  friendly? Charlie was Charlie went where
• 46:00
  the actual seekers were. And what Charlie proved
• 46:02
  ultimately is that the word does not return void.
• 46:04
  And I think ultimately it is the word of God that is perfect.
• 46:07
  It's the only perfect thing on the earth.
• 46:08
  It is the Word of God that remains.
• 46:09
  Movements come and fall, sex come and fall.
• 46:12
  You see theological fads come and go.
• 46:14
  The word of God is the constant. And I think ultimately your
• 46:16
  culture is either built on the word of Christ or chaos.
• 46:19
  Well, if I could add, you know I'm.
• 46:21
  I'm in for the LDS side here. I was going to say, yeah, the
• 46:23
  Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, I think is a very
• 46:25
  big underdog in this fight if you want to talk.
• 46:27
  About now, we agree. If you want to talk about
• 46:29
  religions in America, there's no more American religion than the
• 46:31
  Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
• 46:33
  But that being said, we have record growth and membership in
• 46:35
  the last year around the world. We absolutely have the important
• 46:37
  aspects of Apostolic succession hierarchy in the church, but we
• 46:40
  also have shots fired availability of the of the
• 46:42
  Protestants in the in the country.
• 46:43
  So I think the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints with
• 46:45
  its bold claim that God still speaks to us, that revelation is
• 46:48
  still being received for the church through a prophet through
• 46:50
  12 apostles, the same structure that existed in the primitive
• 46:53
  church. I think that's something that
• 46:53
  that may actually save this country from its amise a little
• 46:56
  bit down the road. And we're also the number one,
• 46:58
  most church going state or province, however you want to
• 47:00
  call it, in the entire Western world, Utah.
• 47:02
  So I think that's means for itself if we're talking about
• 47:04
  fruit. It is a very American religion.
• 47:07
  There's no. And that is at least absolutely
• 47:08
  true. OK.
• 47:09
  All right, as your resident Reformed Baptist representing in
• 47:12
  an abortion abolitionist, I would like to ask you guys.
• 47:14
  First of all, I hold the controversial view that it
• 47:16
  should be illegal for everyone to murder anyone.
• 47:18
  Crazy right? So my question would be well
• 47:21
  before I ask the question, after 50 years of an overturning Roe
• 47:25
  and the Dobbs decision, we continue to see abortion number
• 47:27
  skyrocket through the means of male appeal in in all 50 states.
• 47:31
  Is perfectly legal for mothers to to self manage abortions
• 47:34
  right? So the question is, should
• 47:36
  preborn children have equal protection under the law from
• 47:38
  all who would intentionally conspire to terminate their
• 47:40
  life, or should we give provisions to mothers to have
• 47:42
  freedom to execute their children?
• 47:45
  100% preborn children should have every last going back to
• 47:48
  the Fifth Amendment. The 14th amendment has its
• 47:50
  predicate that language. No person shall be denied life,
• 47:53
  liberty or property without due process of law.
• 47:55
  I mean, I was I was one of The Pioneers of the personhood
• 47:57
  movement a decade ago. So 100% I believe in the
• 48:00
  personhood of the unborn child. I do think you're making the
• 48:02
  these are kind of your classic abolitionist talking points.
• 48:05
  I'll say that you guys are going to win the argument because the
• 48:07
  mainstream pro-life movement is rudderless in lacks direction
• 48:09
  and had no post rogue plan. So you're going to win because
• 48:12
  you guys actually have a vision to victory.
• 48:13
  The challenge that you guys are going to have is what kind of
• 48:16
  collateral damage are you going to cause on your way to your
• 48:18
  victory? Because you guys, and I say this
• 48:20
  man as a pugilist, OK, but you guys take some of the most
• 48:23
  counter intuitive, confrontational tactics I've
• 48:25
  ever seen, right? And, and the, and you, and you
• 48:27
  end up, and I've said this to some of your national leaders,
• 48:30
  you push away people who would be with you because you give
• 48:32
  them, you make them think that everything they did for the last
• 48:35
  40 years was a sin against Christ.
• 48:36
  So I appreciate that. Can we can we address 100%?
• 48:38
  I don't know those guys. So, so, so on the point, it
• 48:41
  sounds like we're wearing you down.
• 48:42
  You're you're coming around to. Our No, when I listen, I had
• 48:44
  your position before you did What I'm, what I'm saying is you
• 48:47
  would have won probably by now if your tactics were to be
• 48:50
  blunt, a little less douchey at times, to be blunt.
• 48:52
  And because you're right, your argument is correct.
• 48:55
  The stuff, you know, kind of the, the color revolution
• 48:57
  tactics of standing outside people's offices and screaming
• 48:59
  and yelling at them and all that stuff.
• 49:00
  I see. I can just tell you because I
• 49:01
  get emails from the very legislators that are legislators
• 49:04
  that you're trying to reach and and you give them an excuse to
• 49:07
  be cowards with that kind of behavior where if you confronted
• 49:09
  them on an intellectual basis, their complete arguments would
• 49:12
  collapse because they lack any moral clarity at.
• 49:13
  All I agree with the feedback and and garner your support.
• 49:16
  How about from the LDS and the Catholic?
• 49:18
  Well, I, I actually agree very much so with, with what Steve
• 49:20
  said, It's, it's always this issue, right, of what is the
• 49:21
  most politically pragmatic versus which is the most morally
• 49:23
  correct. And yes, you know, the
• 49:24
  abolitionist argument is the one that is going to be obviously
• 49:26
  the most consistent. And I had that own, I had, I had
• 49:28
  that question myself. You know, why did I at one point
• 49:30
  believe in exceptions for abortion in cases of rape or
• 49:32
  incest? It makes no sense at all.
• 49:34
  I will say, however, sometimes we make consistency a false God
• 49:37
  the same way that often we make pragmatism a false God.
• 49:39
  I think it is important to understand our situation and how
• 49:40
  that situation differs across countries, but I think that
• 49:43
  personally every single individual should take the
• 49:45
  abolitionist position. It is correct.
• 49:46
  It does more affirm the value of each individual human life.
• 49:50
  So be nicer, OK? What else?
• 49:51
  No. No, no, no no no no no no.
• 49:53
  Do not pence me bro. No, I didn't say anything about
• 49:56
  being nice. There's a why chasm between
• 49:58
  being douchey and being nice. What I'm saying is be wiser.
• 50:01
  I could care less about nice, but be wiser, yes?
• 50:04
  OK, maybe myself and in my team we've been very nice and not
• 50:07
  douchey, so thank. You.
• 50:08
  No. You've been wise.
• 50:09
  Thank you. Don't be nice.
• 50:10
  Be wise. Yes, Sir.
• 50:11
  I would say my politics comes down to Aristotle, basically.
• 50:14
  And Aristotle says the paramount political virtue is prudence.
• 50:17
  Not pragmatism, not utilitarianism, but prudence.
• 50:20
  And so of course, I want all abortion to end.
• 50:23
  There's no moral excuse to kill an innocent baby under any
• 50:26
  circumstances. However, I'm not really an all
• 50:29
  or nothing kind of person. I, I'm, I am willing to take an
• 50:31
  incremental change. I think it's a fallen world.
• 50:33
  I don't think we're going to see perfection the side of heaven.
• 50:35
  It does seem like the culture is moving a little bit more in our
• 50:37
  direction for a variety of reasons.
• 50:39
  But I would not make the arguments primarily from
• 50:42
  ideology, even primarily using the language of rights.
• 50:45
  I would use more the language of natural law.
• 50:47
  I would I would use the language of scripture.
• 50:48
  I would say it's obviously wrong.
• 50:49
  We can note for reason in Revelation, it's wrong to murder
• 50:51
  innocent people, especially to murder innocent babies.
• 50:53
  Thomas Aquinas would be proud. Thomas, you know I I defer.
• 50:56
  To you are you really are. I basically asked him what I
• 50:59
  should have for breakfast in the morning at Saint Thomas.
• 51:01
  And so anyway, because of that, I would I would follow our
• 51:05
  Lord's injunction to be wise as a serpent and innocent as a
• 51:07
  dove. And if there is a clear path to
• 51:11
  victory for more abolitionist arguments, I'm all for it.
• 51:14
  That's why libertarians are not convincing.
• 51:15
  They're perfectly consistent, but they don't make themselves.
• 51:17
  Attractive So for for context on my question, I am a practicing
• 51:21
  member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints and
• 51:23
  have a son that is converting to Catholicism.
• 51:25
  So I really you've got. To get one Protestant and then
• 51:27
  you've got the whole thing, yeah.
• 51:27
  Maybe the other side, and I appreciate all of the insight
• 51:30
  and knowledge and everything that you have shared in teaching
• 51:32
  me about Catholicism. Thank you.
• 51:34
  My two sides are part of this generation.
• 51:36
  I'm grateful that I have raised that are extremely conservative
• 51:39
  and where I'm struggling right now is trying to help.
• 51:40
  We want to enlarge the tent and bring the coalition together.
• 51:43
  And yet there's so many voices out there that are so combative.
• 51:45
  And so I feel like hateful and hard that I'm struggling with
• 51:48
  trying to help them discern which voices in the movement
• 51:51
  that we should be listening to. And especially as we were
• 51:54
  talking about Israel and some of these other topics that are so
• 51:56
  controversial in the movement. If you have spiritual and
• 51:58
  political and basically because you work in the field, insight
• 52:01
  on how to help them. I have a little spiritual
• 52:03
  insight on this. I think it's great news about
• 52:05
  your son. You know I I'm.
• 52:07
  Just happy that he's happy and finding God.
• 52:09
  So, you know, at these moments when people are having intense
• 52:13
  spiritual or numinous experience, I've just seen
• 52:16
  anecdotally and experienced, the devil really doesn't like that.
• 52:19
  And the devil kind of he tries to find ways to go in and pokey
• 52:22
  and tilt you a little off course and kind of mess with you.
• 52:24
  And so one of the the occupational hazards of
• 52:27
  political media and politics generally is detraction and
• 52:30
  calumny. And something that's very
• 52:32
  attractive in a social media age is a railing and reviling
• 52:34
  spirit, which Saint Paul warns US against.
• 52:36
  And so these are the temptations that we really have to back away
• 52:39
  from. And I get it.
• 52:41
  I enjoy being entertained in political media.
• 52:43
  I gossip and railing and distraction there.
• 52:47
  They can be like really, really funny and I I'd be lying if I
• 52:49
  said I didn't watch it every so often on my timeline, but it's
• 52:52
  not good. It's not good for your soul.
• 52:53
  It's not good for the political community.
• 52:55
  And it's important to recognize a distinction 1 can enjoy a
• 52:58
  little bit of entertainment and maybe glean something from it
• 53:01
  while also recognizing that the incentives of the entertainers
• 53:04
  of the broadcasters are different from the incentives of
• 53:06
  the political community. And some some of them are
• 53:08
  cynics. Some of them are the kind of
• 53:09
  people who say don't even engage civically at all.
• 53:11
  It's all doom and gloom. Those people have a real profit
• 53:15
  incentive to make people despair.
• 53:18
  Citizens have no incentive for despair.
• 53:19
  And so I would say be quiet. Instruct your family to be
• 53:23
  quiet, to pray, to listen to the voice of God, to avail oneself
• 53:25
  of the sacraments, and to to be able to find the good in
• 53:28
  everything and to distinguish where priorities really lie.
• 53:32
  Can I add to that really quick? Christianity is not the endless
• 53:35
  asking of questions, it is the ceaseless seeking of answers.
• 53:39
  If if I would consume content that points you to truth and not
• 53:43
  modern day Gnosticism, you know the first being whoever said I'm
• 53:47
  just asking questions, Satan. OK, so if we're I'm all for
• 53:51
  asking questions. As far as I know, I'm the only
• 53:52
  human being on the earth that has written 2 best selling books
• 53:55
  debunking the scam demic. But what I didn't do is just ask
• 53:57
  questions. I gave answers.
• 53:58
  I wrote books that had more footnotes than pages.
• 54:00
  What are the answers? It's not about what questions we
• 54:02
  ask. It's about where we go for the
• 54:04
  truth and what the truth is. All right, so it's not about the
• 54:06
  endless asking of questions that creates division.
• 54:08
  OK, that creates a lot of the things we've seen in the last
• 54:10
  few months. It's about where do we go for
• 54:13
  the truth? Where do we go for the answers?
• 54:14
  It's not about the endless asking of questions, but the
• 54:16
  ceaseless seeking of answers. One last thing, we're in the
• 54:19
  Advent season. The Lord wanted to be known so
• 54:22
  much. Truth wanted to be known so
• 54:24
  much, it left paradise and put itself in the most vulnerable
• 54:26
  form. An unborn child, right?
• 54:29
  That's how the Lord of the universe grew up.
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  Had to have a diaper changed, Had to be burped.
• 54:33
  I had to be taught how to speak, how to read, how to be taught to
• 54:35
  trade. Think about that.
• 54:36
  He slept, He sweat. He sweat with his disciples, ate
• 54:38
  with them, hungered with them, thirsted with them.
• 54:40
  The truth wants to be known. Consume content that points you
• 54:43
  to truth, because that's godly. The stuff that does not comes
• 54:47
  from another place. Yeah.
• 54:49
  Well, hey, thank you for being here.
• 54:50
  It's nice to, you know, have this, this under
• 54:52
  underrepresented, you know, group here, which I think is
• 54:54
  actually a very large part of the conservative movement.
• 54:56
  You're you're. I work.
• 54:57
  At the blaze it's a very large part of.
• 54:58
  Them that's true. That's true.
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  We're at the top. We're collected at the top.
• 55:01
  No, but I, I know that your son certainly has has heard that we
• 55:04
  believe in being honest, true, chase, benevolent, virtuous, and
• 55:06
  in doing good to all man. So I believe this is from one of
• 55:09
  the 13 articles of faith that the Church of Jesus Christ of
• 55:11
  Latter Day Saints has. I, I came to experience that
• 55:13
  question very importantly in my own life because I was very much
• 55:15
  actually brought to take my faith more seriously by some of
• 55:17
  the louder voices, which were even at times a little bit more
• 55:19
  riotous or maybe even a little bit a little bit meaner.
• 55:22
  It motivated me to take my faith more seriously because it was
• 55:24
  something that I was participating in more so
• 55:25
  culturally than spiritually and with my whole soul.
• 55:27
  That being said, I think you have to realize and, and
• 55:30
  everybody must make the decision to either let their politics be
• 55:33
  inspired by their faith or let their faith or let their
• 55:36
  politics, you know, go the other way around and start dictating,
• 55:39
  you know, the way they ought to live their lives as Latter Day
• 55:42
  Saints or as other religious people.
• 55:43
  It is not, you know, a virtue to be based necessarily.
• 55:46
  Obviously there's some base things which are good and
• 55:48
  aligned with gospel values, but we're not going to score
• 55:50
  Browning points in heaven because we told leftists to kill
• 55:52
  themselves. And I, I would do these Omegle
• 55:54
  streams talking to strangers on the Internet.
• 55:55
  And I quickly realized it's a weird anecdote, but I everybody
• 55:58
  you know does that. They call them slurs, they call
• 56:00
  them whatever, and I. We're not going to get brownie
• 56:02
  points in heaven telling leftists to kill themselves
• 56:05
  Might be the quote of the dead quote of the year.
• 56:08
  I mean, that's, that's crazy. That's so funny.
• 56:13
  Very quickly realized that it is so much more rewarding and Even
• 56:17
  so much more inspiring to try and extend kindness to people,
• 56:20
  especially your enemies who Christ told us to pray for.
• 56:22
  So I would say to your sons that that's the ultimate question,
• 56:24
  right? Is which is coming first?
• 56:26
  Is your politics, you know, coming before your faith?
• 56:27
  Are your politics coming before your faith, or is your faith
• 56:29
  dictating your politics? It's not a virtue to be based.
• 56:31
  I like that line. That's a very thoughtful.
• 56:32
  What are you based in? What are you based in?
• 56:34
  What are you based on? OK, that's the end of round one.
• 56:36
  Back to Israel, back to the subject that we just talked
• 56:38
  about. I also saw another video and
• 56:40
  then we'll put press play here, but another video of Kai over
• 56:43
  the weekend, which I thought was awesome and a hell of a quote as
• 56:47
  well. Where he goes.
• 56:48
  It's not enough to be based. You also have to be Christ like,
• 56:52
  which is extremely similar to what they're what they're saying
• 56:54
  there. But I thought it was awesome.
• 56:55
  And then again, another crazy freeze frame on Michael Moles.
• 56:59
  A poll of the audience who won the debate over America's
• 57:02
  support of Israel. Was it high?
• 57:08
  Was it Steve who won? I actually, I can't tell Mister
• 57:14
  Davies who's guy. OK, All right.
• 57:17
  I thought Steve made good points.
• 57:18
  OK, let's go you. Might want to check out Z
• 57:20
  biotics.com/barfight. No, no, no, no, no.
• 57:24
  I don't get paid for that. We're skipping your shitty ad.
• 57:27
  I don't get paid for that. Guys.
• 57:31
  Don't buy, Don't buy it. For round two OK our next topic,
• 57:38
  a major point of debate between the old guard and the new guard,
• 57:41
  the boomers and the zoomers big government doesn't always suck
• 57:46
  subheader the economy needs a political fix I'll.
• 57:50
  Let you go first this. Time go ahead.
• 57:52
  Yeah, I mean, I, I completely agree, just as a matter of
• 57:54
  principle, right? Big government obviously does
• 57:56
  not always suck. And to get to, you know, the
• 57:58
  political prudence of it, if you believe big government sucks,
• 58:01
  you're not going to convince all the people who think that it
• 58:03
  doesn't and are willing to use the force of the state to impose
• 58:05
  their will on you. I will say that we've gotten to
• 58:07
  a point in this country where the pole yourself up by your
• 58:09
  bootstraps excuse simply does not work for my generation.
• 58:12
  There's a 1000 square foot house where I live in Salt Lake City,
• 58:15
  UT that is worth $500,000. This is a huge problem.
• 58:18
  We're at a point in this country now as well where all of the
• 58:20
  people who have been told, well, you know, you got to just get
• 58:22
  into, you know, one of these, one of these white collar jobs,
• 58:24
  because you won't be replaced. They're going to be replaced by
• 58:26
  AI. There has to exist some kind of
• 58:28
  structure. And frankly, I believe there
• 58:29
  there is some role of the state in creating that structure,
• 58:31
  which is going to protect the students who are now going to
• 58:34
  college. And one of the things that I
• 58:35
  actually support, and this will be much the chagrin of many
• 58:37
  here, is a reformation of how we do welfare.
• 58:39
  Welfare obviously in this country is not working, but I
• 58:41
  think that you can apply market principles to get it to work
• 58:43
  better. And Milton Friedman proposed
• 58:45
  something that is similar, and this is the negative income tax.
• 58:47
  In practice, however, the negative income tax does not
• 58:49
  actually incentivize business creation.
• 58:50
  It does not incentivize risk taking, family growth, a
• 58:52
  universal basic income, as much as it may be to the chagrin of
• 58:55
  many conservatives who are told that that is socialism and you
• 58:57
  can never do anything that even approaches that word.
• 59:00
  It actually is going to allow mothers to stay in the home with
• 59:02
  their children, allow college students to devote more time to
• 59:05
  their studies, and is going to incentivize the production of
• 59:07
  businesses and spur, you know, the growth of employment in
• 59:10
  certain sectors of the economy that are likely underrepresented
• 59:12
  right now. So I think that we have to
• 59:13
  absolutely depart from this idea that big government always
• 59:16
  sucks. It can absolutely be used as a
• 59:17
  tool for good the same way that a gun can be used for good or
• 59:19
  evil. We're not arguing to get rid of
• 59:21
  the gun. I don't.
• 59:22
  Disagree with the first half of his answer and, and a lot of
• 59:25
  times big government is defined by is government doing what you
• 59:28
  want it to do or not is often how it is defined right, but the
• 59:32
  solution is where this is going to break down.
• 59:33
  The reality is doing universal basic income is just boomerism
• 59:37
  on steroids. It's essentially the New Deal,
• 59:40
  the welfare state, 90 days, same as cash, six months, no
• 59:42
  interest, all the same stuff your parents and grandparents
• 59:44
  did to bankrupt you all. We're just going to go ahead and
• 59:46
  put it on steroids. I mean, ultimately you have to
• 59:49
  have an here's what stipulated your economic theorem must in
• 59:53
  practicum line up with human nature.
• 59:55
  You just have to that's the we cannot.
• 59:56
  That's the we have to deal. You said this is a fallen world.
• 59:58
  We have to deal with the realities of human nature.
• 1:00:00
  The first people who ever really found in America were the
• 1:00:02
  Puritans. And when they landed here, they
• 1:00:04
  read Acts 2 and they thought, well, they shared everything in
• 1:00:06
  common. We should do the exact same
• 1:00:07
  thing. I mean, who?
• 1:00:08
  Who's going to be more likely than the Sola Scriptura Puritans
• 1:00:11
  to who believe they were elected before the foundations of the
• 1:00:14
  world all right for salvation by grace alone, lest any man would
• 1:00:17
  boast. If there was ever a people who
• 1:00:19
  out of just pure altruism would do production and would and
• 1:00:22
  would create a society just out of altruistic means, it would
• 1:00:24
  certainly be these people, correct?
• 1:00:25
  Well, what happened is because I wrote a best selling book on
• 1:00:28
  this subject, I know it very well.
• 1:00:29
  What ended up happening is in the first two years, half of
• 1:00:31
  them. Stop promoting your book.
• 1:00:34
  Half of them died starvation. The young men did not want to
• 1:00:36
  work for the old men who couldn't work anymore, the young
• 1:00:38
  wives. And then they got bitter that
• 1:00:39
  their wives are not sending to them, but to the old men in
• 1:00:41
  their homes. And they turned on each other.
• 1:00:42
  And then this guy, John Winthrop, he did this thing
• 1:00:44
  where he read this parable of the talents and he said, oh,
• 1:00:47
  wow. I mean, so actually if we, if we
• 1:00:48
  demand multiplication and excellence, if we incentivize
• 1:00:51
  excellence, we're going to get more of something.
• 1:00:52
  So they changed their economic theory.
• 1:00:54
  They landed, they gave the plots of land based on the size of the
• 1:00:57
  clan, like the 12 tribes of Israel.
• 1:00:58
  And then if you wanted more than that, whoever produced the
• 1:01:01
  highest yield of harvest for the next fall was given more land.
• 1:01:04
  To whom much is given, much is required, right?
• 1:01:06
  And So what ended up happening was the birth of capitalism and
• 1:01:08
  the birth of what we know as America.
• 1:01:09
  Now, the problem we have with capitalism today is it looks a
• 1:01:12
  lot like what Chesterton once said about Christianity.
• 1:01:14
  Rarely witnessed and almost never tried.
• 1:01:15
  Much of what's been done for the last generation is corporate
• 1:01:18
  whoring masquerading as capitalism.
• 1:01:20
  And so now we're in this position, and I say this to my,
• 1:01:22
  my conventional, traditional conservatives, the, the folks
• 1:01:25
  like me who graduated from the Limbaugh Institute of, of
• 1:01:28
  advanced Conservative Studies and have our official diploma
• 1:01:30
  from the Milton Friedman Economic Institute.
• 1:01:32
  We have to live in reality. Government has screwed this
• 1:01:35
  culture economically. It had and, and much of our
• 1:01:38
  previous Republic, which you said earlier about making sure
• 1:01:40
  our faith is the basis for our politics, not the other way
• 1:01:42
  around. We lied to this generation and
• 1:01:44
  said that what we were doing was too big to fail.
• 1:01:46
  And when George W Bush said I have to suspend free market
• 1:01:48
  principles to save the free market, we lied to this
• 1:01:51
  generation and told them because we had to, we got to beat the
• 1:01:53
  Democrats, don't you know? And so we lied and we told them
• 1:01:55
  that that was capitalism. And now that they're of age,
• 1:01:57
  they cannot afford a home. We have the hard highest median
• 1:01:59
  age of new home buyers ever at 41.
• 1:02:01
  You have all the right laments, all the right complaints.
• 1:02:03
  I even agree. It's going to take government to
• 1:02:05
  some degree to undo the mess it made, starting with mass
• 1:02:08
  deportations and immigration moratorium and a closed border.
• 1:02:11
  Get rid of everybody the Biden regime allowed into the country
• 1:02:13
  in the last five years. That would bring literally the
• 1:02:15
  cost of everything down strictly from a supply and demand
• 1:02:17
  standpoint. But I promise you, if we go down
• 1:02:19
  the road of things like Ubi, you're going to end up and so
• 1:02:22
  this, this reminds me of the debate I had with the Occupy
• 1:02:24
  Wall Street guy in, in Wichita, KS 10 years ago.
• 1:02:27
  And he said many of the same things.
• 1:02:28
  And, and, and when he was laying all these complaints at what the
• 1:02:30
  Republican Party has falsely smeared his capitalism when it
• 1:02:33
  was really corporatism and whoring, I just kept agreeing
• 1:02:35
  and agreeing and agreeing. And it blew his mind.
• 1:02:36
  And so he's like, when are we going to disagree?
• 1:02:38
  I said probably when we get to the solutions and so all the
• 1:02:40
  preamble and the first act of everything you said brother
• 1:02:43
  chapter and verse, we are singing from the same hymnal.
• 1:02:44
  All right. But when we get to solutions, I
• 1:02:46
  promise you just deciding you know what the boomers did just
• 1:02:48
  the tip. So let's go for the full
• 1:02:50
  conception. I promise you it will reverb on
• 1:02:52
  you badly. Why?
• 1:02:53
  Because you're going against human nature.
• 1:02:55
  We have to incentivize excellence.
• 1:02:57
  The answer to undo what was done in the previous generation is
• 1:02:59
  not a bigger welfare state or one that redistributes the
• 1:03:02
  wealth in my favor. I promise you it won't work.
• 1:03:04
  It goes against the created order.
• 1:03:05
  It goes against what the creator intended.
• 1:03:07
  He's embedded in his creation. We're in this position because
• 1:03:09
  was we violated the created order, we just did it for
• 1:03:12
  corporations. All right, We actually have to.
• 1:03:14
  We have to align our economics with human nature and the
• 1:03:16
  created order. OK, So the debate I guess sort
• 1:03:19
  of became capitalism based or cringe.
• 1:03:21
  And so you agree on the premises Steve, Your point is?
• 1:03:24
  Mass migration has just finish the laying out so you can all
• 1:03:28
  decide who you want to vote for. Mass migration has caused
• 1:03:32
  rentals to go up. 2/3 has caused food prices to go up.
• 1:03:35
  Welfare has caused food prices to go way.
• 1:03:36
  Way, I'm sorry about just the tip.
• 1:03:38
  We're at a bar, but I thought it was OK.
• 1:03:39
  Sorry about that. And then Kai, your point is?
• 1:03:42
  So Steve, your argument is, yeah, right now the economy is
• 1:03:44
  rough. We need more capitalism.
• 1:03:46
  Kai, your answer is no. We need to.
• 1:03:47
  We need to put more guardrails on capitalism in the solution.
• 1:03:49
  I would like to try capitalism. I'd like to try it.
• 1:03:51
  And Kai's is, yeah, sure, mass deportations are great, but we
• 1:03:54
  also need a further political solution to condition
• 1:03:56
  capitalism. Give me Ubi.
• 1:03:58
  OK. Keep that in mind for when you
• 1:03:59
  cheer later. Now we turn to the microphone.
• 1:04:00
  Yes, Sir. So sorry to kind of redirect a
• 1:04:03
  little bit. I know it's not quite on topic.
• 1:04:05
  As a ginger myself, a lot of my generation is going very
• 1:04:08
  libertarian. I don't like that.
• 1:04:10
  Also as a Bible believing dirty Protestant, I believe
• 1:04:13
  definitionally marriage is between a man and woman for the
• 1:04:16
  procreation and ring of children.
• 1:04:17
  I think we can mostly agree with that.
• 1:04:18
  My follow up question to that is, is it worth the political
• 1:04:22
  capital to reinstate the definition of marriage in the
• 1:04:24
  United States as between a man and a woman?
• 1:04:25
  Or do we continue to allow to be pragmatic and to allow people to
• 1:04:29
  be married between two men and two women?
• 1:04:32
  Or is it worth the political capital to try to go against
• 1:04:34
  that? Yeah, I, I don't think it's
• 1:04:35
  going to cost political capital within 5 to 10 years.
• 1:04:38
  I agree completely. You've already seen support for
• 1:04:39
  so-called same sex marriage collapse.
• 1:04:41
  It's now down to 53% and it's in freefall.
• 1:04:43
  The reason for that is that the sexual revolution.
• 1:04:46
  I think that is true. I think they'll overturn it as
• 1:04:49
  well in the next 15 years. Was taken to his extreme in
• 1:04:53
  transgenderism and trans ING the kids so as the logic from
• 1:04:55
  feminine. I remember saying that.
• 1:04:57
  I remember having an argument with I have Conservative and
• 1:05:01
  Liberal grandparents and I remember having the argument
• 1:05:04
  with my more liberal grandparents and this was right
• 1:05:08
  when they made gay marriage legal.
• 1:05:10
  And I remember saying it's going to be a slippery slope to the
• 1:05:13
  point where people are changing their genders and like, all this
• 1:05:17
  other stuff is going to be happening.
• 1:05:18
  And they were like, that's fake, that's not real.
• 1:05:22
  Is it real? Now?
• 1:05:25
  I'm not trying to shit talk my grandpa, but like, come on, it's
• 1:05:28
  real. It's real.
• 1:05:29
  It was a slippery slope. Anism through gay rights to gay
• 1:05:32
  marriage to trans, as it all went that direction, we realized
• 1:05:35
  it was totally nuts. So too, those premises are being
• 1:05:37
  unrolled in the other direction. So I don't think it's going to
• 1:05:39
  cost a lot of capital. And and furthermore, I think you
• 1:05:41
  will have to get back to the same definition of marriage to
• 1:05:43
  protect children, to protect the the fundamental building block
• 1:05:46
  of society, but also just because it's so core to human
• 1:05:50
  nature and our understanding of reality.
• 1:05:52
  I mean, you know, you can't have matrimony without Montair.
• 1:05:54
  You know, there's no matrimony between two fellas.
• 1:05:56
  So it's just so preposterous. It's it's unstable.
• 1:05:58
  It can't continue. Yes, one. 100% agree with that.
• 1:06:01
  You know, it's funny, when I was heavily involved in all the
• 1:06:03
  marriage fights around the country back in the day, and
• 1:06:05
  they always would say on the other side, we don't want any
• 1:06:06
  slippery slope arguments. Slippery slope arguments are
• 1:06:09
  undefeated, folks. Undefeated.
• 1:06:10
  They never lose. All right.
• 1:06:11
  The only thing I disagree with Robert Bork about is we do not
• 1:06:13
  slouch to Gomorrah. We Sprint as a species.
• 1:06:15
  We Sprint. We can't wait to get there.
• 1:06:17
  All right. Every exit it says Gomorrah.
• 1:06:18
  And we're like pedal to the metal, right?
• 1:06:19
  And So what you're seeing now is all of the excesses people like
• 1:06:22
  Michael and I argued about when you guys were growing up and
• 1:06:24
  warned this is what you really mean.
• 1:06:26
  I remember bringing those gay, bringing gay marriage advocates
• 1:06:28
  on my show and saying, well, what you're really arguing is
• 1:06:30
  there's no such thing as gender and they lose their minds.
• 1:06:32
  But what's funny is now 10 years later, there's no gender is just
• 1:06:36
  a social construct, right? And so now all of the excesses
• 1:06:38
  that they said we weren't going to see how well, how does my gay
• 1:06:41
  marriage impact your marriage? Well, other than literally the
• 1:06:43
  definition of everything and who and, and what we do with
• 1:06:45
  children, pretty much nothing other than everything, right?
• 1:06:47
  And so now we're at that place and the reverb on this is a
• 1:06:49
  mofo, 38% of Republicans, only 38% support gay marriage now,
• 1:06:54
  only 58% of the general public. And it's because there was a
• 1:06:57
  moment there where people like Andrew Sullivan, who's kind of
• 1:06:59
  the Ben Franklin of the rainbow jihad.
• 1:07:01
  And after he got his big win, he said, you know what, guys, we
• 1:07:03
  have to stop right here. If you continue on with this,
• 1:07:06
  there's going to be pushback and they're going to, they're going
• 1:07:07
  to repeal. Andrew Sullivan got cancelled
• 1:07:09
  for saying things like that. And so like we have a group here
• 1:07:12
  called Gays Against Groomers. They're doing some great work in
• 1:07:14
  the marketplace against some of this insanity because they
• 1:07:16
  recognize our inability to police ourselves.
• 1:07:19
  There's no William F Buckley on the gay marriage side saying,
• 1:07:21
  well, how much of the John Birch Society should we inherit,
• 1:07:23
  right? They're not they, they can't do
• 1:07:24
  it. Why?
• 1:07:25
  Because the movement in and of itself is a lack of restraint
• 1:07:27
  and A and a decoupling from the, the created order.
• 1:07:29
  And so they cannot just pause. They can't just moderate.
• 1:07:32
  It's pedal to the metal to Gamora.
• 1:07:33
  And I agree with Michael, the stigma on this is on.
• 1:07:36
  Even our own side is almost at 0 now and I think we are way
• 1:07:39
  closer. I don't think it'll take 50
• 1:07:40
  years to repeal Dobbs at all like it did Rove.
• 1:07:42
  I don't. You know, just one quick
• 1:07:44
  correction, Steve. There was a gay William F
• 1:07:46
  Buckley and his name is Gore Vidal.
• 1:07:47
  But but there's none today. That's true, Guy.
• 1:07:49
  Yeah. I mean, I agree with the two
• 1:07:50
  gentlemen here. I think it was the
• 1:07:51
  libertarianism and it was frankly, you know, that the fact
• 1:07:53
  that we didn't realize just how serious the opposite side was.
• 1:07:56
  That led us to where we are now. And the problem is that with a
• 1:07:58
  lot of these rulings from the Supreme Court, it is a lot
• 1:08:00
  tougher to, you know, put the the cat back into the box or
• 1:08:03
  whatever the saying is the cat in the hat.
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  And it's. Really hard to put the green
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  eggs in their hand. It's really.
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  Somewhere, I don't know, but I, I do think that that is a fight
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  that you absolutely have to take.
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  Like this definition of marriage is absolutely crucial and it
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  does have these cultural ramifications and the
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  perceptions that people have based off of legality.
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  They absolutely exist. I mean, this is a total lie that
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  we've been told that, well, you know, really we're just kind of
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  changing the legal code. It's not going to change, you
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  know, in reality, how people are interacting with each other or
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  the families they're forming or how their children turn out.
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  All of that's a lie. So I think we should fight tooth
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  and nail. And unfortunately it's that
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  really bad Supreme Court precedent that always under
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  assumes what the future is going to turn into, which is always
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  yes, Sodom and Gomorrah. And I, I think that the problem
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  is that now you have this inability and, and frankly, a
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  lack of willingness from even conservative Supreme Court
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  justices to even review cases like that.
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  I would be surprised if we get a positive result on birthright
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  citizenship, despite the fact that the framers of the 14th
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  Amendment very clearly did not have in mind that the child of
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  two illegal immigrants would become an American citizen as
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  American, as somebody who came off the Mayflower.
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  So that is a, a huge problem of mine.
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  OK. OK, so we're talking about
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  repealing Obergefell definitely for that.
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  Would you say this is my question?
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  Would you say that our country would be better off if we had
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  like our grandparents had? My grandparents grew up in a
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  time where there were laws against sodomy, there were laws
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  against cross dressing. Would our would our country be
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  better off if we had laws against sodomy and laws against
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  cross dressing? Today in 2025, should Christians
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  and conservatives pursue laws against sodomy and cross
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  dressing? Well, I just want to jump in
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  real quick because not a lot of people know this.
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  It was only less than a decade ago that the state of Utah, the
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  great state of Utah, unfortunately, and made it made
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  it made itself less great by doing so repealed an existing
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  law which had banned premarital sex.
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  I'm not aware of days of another state that had law, but people
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  forget, by the way, that I believe I respect the Mormon who
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  says I will be more puritanical than you.
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  I respect that ally. Yes, Sir.
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  Yes, Sir. That's an ally.
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  Sir, now that now I'm signing up for that, that's great.
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  I mean, right there, you bet you know that the question doesn't
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  even need to be all that hypothetical.
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  In as much as Lawrence V Texas was, what, 20 years?
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  That was the gateway drug that got right.
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  That was the I mean, there was the argument was made by the
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  Supreme Court that there's a constitutional right to
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  homosexual sodomy. Which, you know, if you go
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  through The Federalist Papers, you won't find a lot of
• 1:10:01
  references to that. Thomas Jefferson thought sodomy
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  in the military should be a capital offense and they were
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  fighting the British who are sort of famous for that.
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  So anyway, they by the way, during the Crusades, the
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  Muslims, when they were away from their wives, they would
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  bring their pederast boy toys with them to the war front so
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  they could rape them and sodomize them for sexual release
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  because they'd be at the war front for months if not years.
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  Christians have banned sodomy throughout the entirety of
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  Christian history whenever they had a chance to rule in any
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  society. I'm wondering if conservatives,
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  I think Christ less conservatism has destroyed our country.
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  I think we need Christ filled conservatism.
• 1:10:28
  And that's what gets our country back.
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  But if we do that, that means we've got to take it very.
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  Unpopular. You know, I'll give a little bit
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  more of a kind of nuanced take on sodomy laws, which are
• 1:10:35
  considered sort of extreme. But ask yourself, why were
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  sodomy laws in principle on the books even as of 20 or so years
• 1:10:40
  ago? These.
• 1:10:41
  Sorts of laws were not typically processed.
• 1:10:43
  They were not even enforced. They were shut down.
• 1:10:44
  They were meant to be an insurance.
• 1:10:46
  They were insurance against this.
• 1:10:48
  Is the thing, you know, that really what the laws were used
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  for were to shut down places that were very, very dangerous.
• 1:10:52
  And those sorts of laws been enforced in the 1980s.
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  A lot of lives have been saved, correct?
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  But they weren't really going door to door, you know, Iranian
• 1:10:58
  purity. And so I don't think anybody
• 1:10:59
  wants that, right. We passed marriage laws
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  successfully in 31 states in the 90s and 2000s.
• 1:11:04
  How many people were in prison in any of those states for
• 1:11:06
  attempting to get marriage? Zero.
• 1:11:09
  What Michael is saying, these were done as insurance policies,
• 1:11:12
  pardon the pun, bulwarks. They were done as bulwarks
• 1:11:15
  against the very Sodom and Gomorrah and the depravity that
• 1:11:19
  we're seeing today. Yes.
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  And so I think you have to understand what the point of
• 1:11:22
  these laws were. They were not necessarily for
• 1:11:25
  rounding up people for their sexual practices, but they were
• 1:11:27
  meant to be. They were meant to be
• 1:11:28
  essentially traffic cones that said you can't go past here.
• 1:11:31
  And that's why they removed that cone so they could go past
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  there, right? And I think the importance of it
• 1:11:34
  is stigma is stigmatizing things that God hates.
• 1:11:37
  Standards and norms, all right, Right on it.
• 1:11:39
  OK, folks. I think you guys can see why I
• 1:11:42
  thought this was a very good debate to show it's almost over
• 1:11:45
  here. Actually, I don't even remember
• 1:11:46
  what the original topic was. Oh yeah, big government
• 1:11:48
  capitalism based or cringe? We need more true capitalism to
• 1:11:51
  fix the problem. No, we need more Ubi and more
• 1:11:53
  government intervention. Who thinks that?
• 1:11:55
  Capitalism has never been tried, not once.
• 1:11:58
  He's trying to put his thumb on the scale.
• 1:11:59
  Who thinks that Steve won? Who thinks that Kai won?
• 1:12:07
  There you go, Steve, with a knockout.
• 1:12:10
  They all sound like ties to me. OK, All right, we'll give it to
• 1:12:12
  Steve. OK, now.
• 1:12:14
  There's no time. I mean, there's no time we got
• 1:12:15
  to get to this. It sounded louder for Kai in my
• 1:12:18
  ear. Maybe I'm wrong.
• 1:12:19
  Now I'm. Going to tease it.
• 1:12:20
  I don't care. I'm going to tease the issue and
• 1:12:21
  then everyone can Boo you for shutting down a great topic and
• 1:12:24
  a way more interesting one than claim 2.
• 1:12:26
  The claim is we need to stop the demographic transformation of
• 1:12:30
  America. All right?
• 1:12:32
  We have total agreement. What does everyone who thinks
• 1:12:34
  won that battle? He said yes, and he also said
• 1:12:36
  yes. Wow, we won.
• 1:12:40
  OK, well, typically, nobody wins a bar fight, and there are only
• 1:12:42
  losers. We're not really in a bar.
• 1:12:44
  Even though they somehow found booze to give me.
• 1:12:46
  We're at a Convention Center. So maybe someone can win.
• 1:12:49
  Maybe someone can tie. It sounds like the first round
• 1:12:52
  went to Kai, The second round went to Steve.
• 1:12:53
  The third round we didn't even debate, and we all won that one.
• 1:12:56
  Who lost today? You're not cheering for the
• 1:12:59
  winner, you're cheering for the loser who lost.
• 1:13:01
  Was it Kai? I'm sensing a lot of Kai's
• 1:13:05
  support. Was it Steve?
• 1:13:09
  And you are. I know it was confusing a lot of
• 1:13:11
  people. You know, that was the cheer as
• 1:13:12
  they lost. Let's go.
• 1:13:14
  All right, I guess Steve lost. I thought Steve had a lot of
• 1:13:15
  good arguments. Gentlemen, thank you all for
• 1:13:17
  coming on the show. Thank you all for being here.
• 1:13:19
  And see. You get another crazy freeze
• 1:13:22
  every time I pause it on this fucking guy.
• 1:13:25
  It's it's just crazy. But that was a debate.
• 1:13:27
  I thought that was an interesting one that was worth
• 1:13:29
  showing you guys. I thought it was the one of the
• 1:13:33
  better debates of the entire weekend that I saw from the
• 1:13:36
  little breakout areas. Amfest seemed to have been a
• 1:13:39
  successful Turning Point. I don't necessarily stand with
• 1:13:42
  Turning Point, but I do like that they brought millions of
• 1:13:45
  young Americans back to the church.
• 1:13:47
  I do like that the griping of Turning Point USA is here and is
• 1:13:51
  happening. I do think it's only going to
• 1:13:53
  continue and it's going to probably become a bigger issue
• 1:13:56
  for them down the line and their donors specifically who
• 1:13:59
  definitely don't like it and Ben Shapiro as well.
• 1:14:03
  But yeah, with that, we're going to be signing off for our show.
• 1:14:05
  I'm not going to be doing a show tomorrow on Wednesday or the
• 1:14:09
  next day on Thursday, Christmas Eve and Christmas.
• 1:14:12
  I want everyone to have a beautiful Christmas with their
• 1:14:14
  families. I will pray for all of you guys.
• 1:14:17
  I will pray for all your families.
• 1:14:18
  I'll pray that you have a beautiful, beautiful holiday and
• 1:14:21
  day off with your families. If you are working on either of
• 1:14:24
  the days, just know I still will be praying for you and I want to
• 1:14:28
  thank you for your service. Not necessarily like military
• 1:14:31
  service unless you're doing military work, but you guys get
• 1:14:34
  what I mean. They, they are the to go back to
• 1:14:37
  get COVID term, the necessary workers.
• 1:14:40
  But yeah, I want to pray for everybody.
• 1:14:42
  If anybody is celebrating the Christmas holiday without a
• 1:14:46
  loved one, if they've lost a loved one, remember to take some
• 1:14:49
  time this holiday season too. Pray for them, think about them,
• 1:14:53
  share some time with your family to spread stories about them.
• 1:14:56
  I will pray for all of you. I'll pray for all of your
• 1:14:58
  families. I'll pray for all of America.
• 1:15:00
  Remember, this is a season for forgiveness.
• 1:15:03
  This is a season for love. This is a season to be kind to
• 1:15:06
  everybody. Don't go to Christmas trying to
• 1:15:08
  red pill your parents. Don't go to Christmas trying to,
• 1:15:11
  you know, gripe everybody. Don't go to Christmas trying to
• 1:15:14
  convince everyone of your views or push them in a direction
• 1:15:16
  they're not willing to or ready to go to.
• 1:15:19
  Just be there, present with your family, celebrate Jesus Christ
• 1:15:22
  Christ is king, celebrate that we have a beautiful country that
• 1:15:28
  we are in the process of fixing. Celebrate that above everything,
• 1:15:32
  we all are Americans. Celebrate that the return to
• 1:15:36
  Christianity is happening, but celebrate your family over
• 1:15:40
  everything else. That is what is truly important
• 1:15:42
  when it comes to the Christmas season.
• 1:15:44
  With that, I am going to sign off.
• 1:15:46
  I won't see you guys tomorrow or Thursday, but I will be back on
• 1:15:50
  most likely Friday, possibly Saturday, but most likely we're
• 1:15:53
  going to do something on Friday. But I am going to sign off
• 1:15:56
  today. I hope you guys do have a
• 1:15:57
  blessed day, a blessed night. I hope you guys have a Merry
• 1:16:00
  Christmas. I hope Santa is good to you
• 1:16:02
  guys. And again, Please remember to
• 1:16:04
  pray to Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
• 1:16:07
  Christ is king. This is a holiday for Christ
• 1:16:10
  over everything else. And if you're a Catholic, if
• 1:16:12
  you're a Christian, remember to attend Mass on Christmas.
• 1:16:14
  It's very important. And I know sometimes it's hard
• 1:16:17
  to get away from family, especially if your family
• 1:16:19
  doesn't necessarily have the same religious views as you.
• 1:16:22
  But remember to go to Mass on Thursday.
• 1:16:25
  Remember to go to Mass and pray to the Lord and Savior Jesus
• 1:16:28
  Christ. With that, thank you guys so
• 1:16:30
  much. Merry Christmas, and I will see
• 1:16:32
  you guys all again on Friday. Thank you.
• 1:16:36
  Yeah.