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The NBA Brawl That Changed Basketball Forever (Malice at the Palace) · Under the Docs

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Speaker 1: It's like David Ingliath, but David gets his ass whooked
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Speaker 1: immediately on TV being streamed and replayed over and over again.
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Speaker 2: Under the Dogs, Yeah, under the Dogs, very breaking.
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Speaker 3: The looks funny.
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Speaker 2: Could they erase all the shots making the dogs under
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Speaker 2: the docks, under the dukes, Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Under the docks, under the Dogs.
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Speaker 4: Oh ladies, this is under the docks.
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Speaker 5: subscribe and share, Share the show today. Untold Malice at
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Speaker 5: the Palace a twenty twenty one film directed by Floyd Russell,
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Speaker 5: produced by Netflix and the Untold series. This unfolds if
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Speaker 5: you don't know another sporting events sports ball.
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Speaker 4: This is part of our sports Ball month.
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Speaker 5: You know, we'd like to dabble around to show our
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Speaker 5: our range is deep when it comes to these different subjects.
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Speaker 5: This one follows the two thousand and four NBA game
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Speaker 5: that turned into a brawl with the Indiana Pacers versus
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Speaker 5: Detroit Pistons, where it all holded.
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Speaker 1: Indiana players versus Detroit Piston fans.
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, in.
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Speaker 5: Bold letters against the fans, which I will say was
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Speaker 5: nice to see this dot commentary because I remember I
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Speaker 5: came home from like I think it was Six Flags.
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Speaker 5: I lived in California at the time. We came from
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Speaker 5: Six Flags, had a great time. We were a little
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Speaker 5: bit buzz and you know, we're younger. I think I
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Speaker 5: was like eighteen ish somewhere around there, and we pop
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Speaker 5: on the TV and then it's like you're watching these kids.
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Speaker 4: You're like, what's going on?
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Speaker 5: It's just all these people in the stands, and then
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Speaker 5: they keep showing the replay. Now we didn't see it live, right,
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Speaker 5: We saw the replays like ten five, ten minutes later,
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Speaker 5: and you're like, dude, are those guys fighting the fans?
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Speaker 5: Are the fans fighting the play? Like, what's going on?
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Speaker 5: Never in history have I seen anything like that. So
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Speaker 5: it was pretty.
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Speaker 4: Interesting to delve into what they said happened.
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Speaker 5: Plotting the course Malice at the Palace again, like I
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Speaker 5: was saying, it was a game between the Pacers and
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Speaker 5: the Pistons on No remember nineteenth, two thousand and four,
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Speaker 5: at the Palace of Auburn Hills in Michigan, twenty two
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Speaker 5: thousand attendants. So just for some backstory prior to this game.
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Speaker 5: The season before, Detroit defeats Indiana in the Eastern Conference
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Speaker 5: Finals by a four to two margin, creates an intense
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Speaker 5: rivalry earning the two thousand and four h five, So
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Speaker 5: to kind of get it in there right away, you
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Speaker 5: see that they've already had beefy. They lost in the
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Speaker 5: finals of the Eastern Conference Finals where they're gonna go.
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Speaker 5: The winner of that goes to the championship game. It
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Speaker 5: was an intense you know, there's a lot of little elbows.
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Speaker 5: This is still in two thousand and four where people
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Speaker 5: like were playing physical still and Ben Wallace to them
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Speaker 5: were hurling elbows. Well, at this game, you could see
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Speaker 5: that there was already tension, like people were getting into it.
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Speaker 5: The fourth quarter begins, Pacers are leading comfortably. The game
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Speaker 5: is increased physical, but kind of under control. Forty five
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Speaker 5: seconds left on the clock. Fourth quarter, Pacers leading ninety
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Speaker 5: seven and run our test, who plays for the Pacers,
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Speaker 5: commits a hard foul. Like if you don't watch sports
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Speaker 5: or basketball, hard foul is like a normal foul is
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Speaker 5: like you're trying to stop the shot, but you accidentally
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Speaker 5: hit him. A hard foul is like I'm gonna tackle you,
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Speaker 5: and no, I don't need to, but I don't want
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Speaker 5: you to score.
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Speaker 4: And it gets a little aggressive. The players get a
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Speaker 4: little pushy.
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Speaker 5: They separate heet themselves, and ron our Tests walks over
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Speaker 5: to the scorers table and lays down, which is in
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Speaker 5: itself was kind of crazy to be like, what is
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Speaker 5: this guy doing. He's just laying down on the scorers table,
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Speaker 5: and then something hits ron our Test and it just abrupts.
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Speaker 5: He runs into the stands and tries to find the
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Speaker 5: guy and just starts fighting the fans. And then you
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Speaker 5: just see the other players just kind of like going
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Speaker 5: at the fans, and the fans are like it's on,
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Speaker 5: like this is like their glory time, like they didn't
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Speaker 5: realize what they were really doing. I think it was
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Speaker 5: best described by this fat guy that's on court side
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Speaker 5: seats a Detroit Pistons fan. The Pacer fans, the players
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Speaker 5: who are okay, mind you, these players are like six
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Speaker 5: three six' five, six six.
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Speaker 4: Six' nine seven foot.
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Speaker 6: Big.
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Speaker 5: Dudes Right this pistons fan runs onto the court squares
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Speaker 5: up with one of. These giants HE'S not i. DON'T
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Speaker 5: know i want, to say he's like five eight to.
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Speaker 5: Five ten, he's chunky but like, you're, like dude this.
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Speaker 5: Guy's huge he squares up with him and Just kids Molly.
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Speaker 1: Wob bro It's Like, david Ngliath but david gets his
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Speaker 1: ass whooked IMMEDIATELY on tv being streamed and replayed over and. Over,
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Speaker 1: again YEAH and i WANT to i want to recap
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Speaker 1: it to his watch and not being as an expert in,
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Speaker 1: sports ball this is the.
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Speaker 6: ROUND one i think the bounces on the ground.
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Speaker 1: And in, this, one man they really make a good
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Speaker 1: way way of presenting That the pacers had it in,
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Speaker 1: the bag not just, this game but because of how
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Speaker 1: well they did in this game on, enemy territory that
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Speaker 1: they essentially were gonna get, the championship they were gonna
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Speaker 1: all win rings at the end of this season because
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Speaker 1: of how well they, Had it and it was a
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Speaker 1: it was like this perfect storm that, they, Describe right
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Speaker 1: so on, one aspect everyone in the enemy, stands right
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Speaker 1: They're in detroit or They're, in michigan And, inside michigan
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Speaker 1: All These detroit piston fans are getting their, Ass whooped
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Speaker 1: like ninety percent of the people just leave early because
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Speaker 1: they know there's no way That the pistons are coming back.
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Speaker 1: From this so, to describe all the drunk poors and
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Speaker 1: the nosebleeds start making their way down the courtside seats
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Speaker 1: because everyone else. Had left so now you got these
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Speaker 1: rowdy poors that are like getting angry and like, shouting
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Speaker 1: stuff like way drunker than anyone that was on courtside would.
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Speaker 1: Have been and this kind of adds to the Fact
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Speaker 1: That ron Artests And steven Jackson and jermaine O'Neill aren't
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Speaker 1: like these like hood players right like they're straight up
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Speaker 1: they're just ready to throw it all away, right now
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Speaker 1: just out of pride. And ego and it's like the
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Speaker 1: perfect storm of all these things coming together that at
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Speaker 1: the end of, this game instead of just, playing fun,
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Speaker 1: you know just like we're just gonna do some half court,
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Speaker 1: shots whatever run the, clock down like all twenty seconds
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Speaker 1: that were left, on it instead.
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Speaker 6: Of, doing that, they're like we're gonna start just.
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Speaker 1: Causing fouls or someone tells Ron, our test, hey man
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Speaker 1: you can go get that, foul now and he takes
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Speaker 1: that as the code to like, all.
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Speaker 6: Right let me just go in and do.
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Speaker 1: Some flagrance and when they do, the flagrance not only
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Speaker 1: is it pissing off the team that's getting their, ass
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Speaker 1: whooped but the guy that he picks on his brother
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Speaker 1: just died at the like before this, game started and
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Speaker 1: the fans that are already worked up are seeing them
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Speaker 1: kind of just like flagrantly foul their, favorite players which
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Speaker 1: is just rubbing salt into. A wound so all these
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Speaker 1: things come together in this. Perfect storm and then the
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Speaker 1: best part is they're just describing this cup just like
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Speaker 1: slow mo flying through. The AIR and i remember THAT
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Speaker 1: because i didn't see a. LIVE either i SAW an
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Speaker 1: espn playing over and, over again and bro like the
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Speaker 1: speed that this bottle or this cup flies through, the
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Speaker 1: air it looks, super natural looks like like angels In
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Speaker 1: the outfield movie where the angel comes and guides. THE
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Speaker 1: ball i feel like an angel like grabbed this cup
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Speaker 1: and just made it slow Mo hit we're on our,
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Speaker 1: Test bay, i'm, right Like like bullseye hits him as
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Speaker 1: he's laying on. This table, so yeah and complete. Chaos
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Speaker 1: ERUPTS so i mean that's kind of the, build up
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Speaker 1: is that they throw it all away they lose the
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Speaker 1: championship out of a made thing like they were guaranteed
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Speaker 1: to win it as kind of how this all gets
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Speaker 1: premised and, they don't and who ends up winning The.
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Speaker 6: Championship detroit.
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Speaker 5: And the thing is if they felt the year, before
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Speaker 5: Too Because, reggie miller the long time pacer was.
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Speaker 4: On him they explore that team and they, were like
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Speaker 4: we were.
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Speaker 5: Good enough whoever Won That eastern conference was gonna win.
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Speaker 5: The championship that's what. They believed at least they thought
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Speaker 5: like whoever won that, would Win which detroit had won that.
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Speaker 5: As WELL and i think that it's funny and like
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Speaker 5: how they premise it.
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Speaker 4: Of like which, For sure, you're, like dude It, Was november.
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Speaker 5: LIKE the nba doesn't go into championship mode and playoff
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Speaker 5: mode Until, like april so you had a lot of
9:18
Speaker 5: time and a.
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Speaker 4: Lot, of games and, you're, like yeah we were. Almost there,
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Speaker 4: you're like really?
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Speaker 5: Were you it was the beginning of, the season and
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Speaker 5: but they were just again they were riding that high
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Speaker 5: from the previous year of they, were like we were
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Speaker 5: the best and we just lost because of a. Few
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Speaker 5: things and they there was a play that they, claim
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Speaker 5: like oh it wasn't a, you know that wasn't, A
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Speaker 5: bucket And With tayshaun prince a block that was a
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Speaker 5: goal tend and this. And that they're holding onto that
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Speaker 5: kind of stuff and they're painting it as they're, the
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Speaker 5: victims right because now they didn't they Get Into. John Green,
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Speaker 5: john green it's crazy that, he's famous like we're even
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Speaker 5: talking about him because you described, it perfectly because this
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Speaker 5: is something That would me.
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Speaker 4: And my daughter go. To games we Go to raider game,
10:01
Speaker 4: every year and.
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Speaker 5: When, we go my thought process, Is like i'm going
10:06
Speaker 5: to enemy territory because we'd like to see all. The
10:08
Speaker 5: STADIUMS so i buy more expensive tickets to be with
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Speaker 5: the people that have spent Money because, i'm like these
10:15
Speaker 5: guys don't want to. Lose money but what you bring
10:17
Speaker 5: up because when you go, up top that's where all the.
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Speaker 5: Fights are you got if you got him for fifty two,
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Speaker 5: hundred bucks someone probably gave you. That ticket you've been
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Speaker 5: drunk since three. A m you're ready to. Do ANYTHING
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Speaker 5: so i try to stay away from. Those people but.
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Speaker 4: When they, come down because.
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Speaker 5: People are leaving and there's open spots that it can
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Speaker 5: get a. Little hectic like you have to know how
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Speaker 5: to manage. That course and these guys. Are instigators they're at.
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Speaker 5: The top if they were, at courtside they would be
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Speaker 5: banned all the time because they're the guys.
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Speaker 6: Like what do?
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Speaker 4: You mean you mean?
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Speaker 5: That's foul even when, it is like when, they're wrong
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Speaker 5: when their team actually did, something bad they're.
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Speaker 4: Gonna, be like what do? You, mean man they're already drunk.
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Speaker 5: And ignorant and The Way john green threw this cup
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Speaker 5: though it's a, Syo bro i'm believing it's.
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Speaker 4: A side there's no way that this cup could have.
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Speaker 6: Just went.
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Speaker 5: And then when it hits run, our tests you just
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Speaker 5: see instantly see him, just boom like he snaps and
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Speaker 5: he goes. Reverse back then they want to claim because,
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Speaker 5: he's bipolar which, they've claimed which probably, is man.
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Speaker 1: One, hundred percent you don't even have to sell me.
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Speaker 1: On that of course. He's, bipolar yeah and that's.
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Speaker 5: What happened he got triggered by that and he flips
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Speaker 5: out and he thinks he knows what fan. Through it
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Speaker 5: the funniest part is he's just fighting fans that didn't even.
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Speaker 1: Do anything he the first guy he punches is one
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Speaker 1: hundred percent the, wrong guy and as he's punching the,
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Speaker 1: wrong guy the guy that actually hit him is punching Run,
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Speaker 1: our tests, so like and he's laughing.
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Speaker 6: About it they interview the dude.
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Speaker 1: Later and, he's, like, YEAH no i felt relief when
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Speaker 1: the Run art tests flew by and they're, asking, him
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Speaker 1: man do you feel bad that you know that Run
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Speaker 1: art test punched somebody unrelated that you, Caused that and, he's, like,
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Speaker 1: NO man i JUST wish i would have tripped them
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Speaker 1: on the. Way there something like the guys just loving
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Speaker 1: life talking, About, it yeah you.
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Speaker 5: Know that when They're, interviewing green like he just was
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Speaker 5: one of those guys that probably just drinking with, his,
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Speaker 5: buddies like and when he interests to introduced to a,
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Speaker 5: new crowd, he's, LIKE yeah i was At the mountains Of.
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Speaker 5: The palace i'm the guy through THE cup i Punch
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Speaker 5: our tests in. The face that's definitely a glory story.
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Speaker 5: For him and now it goes into it like the
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Speaker 5: players are suspended because obviously it's a bad look for
12:28
Speaker 5: the league when your players are beating up, The, fans
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Speaker 5: like regardless of why, it happened it's not a good
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Speaker 5: pr to, be, like.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know sometimes.
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Speaker 5: When the players get pissed off and the fans get,
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Speaker 5: pissed off we just throw them in the middle of
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Speaker 5: there and they.
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Speaker 4: Start fighting and it was a black guy FOR, the
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Speaker 4: nba so they.
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Speaker 5: Started Suspensions and, jermaine O'Neil who's big in, this FILM
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Speaker 5: like i think he's like one of the, executive producers
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Speaker 5: like something. Like that he's involved with, that heavily which
12:54
Speaker 5: you could see the bias, Of it like, he's like.
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Speaker 4: You know we're. Just.
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Speaker 5: Victims man they started calling us THUGS, on tv and
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Speaker 5: we're just like. Cool guys we're JUST like i get
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Speaker 5: the aspect of wanting to defend, your friend right like or,
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Speaker 5: your teammate but you don't see that he's wrong running up.
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Speaker 4: The, COURT now i don't feel so the guys if
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Speaker 4: you WALK to i look at, like this the guys that.
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Speaker 5: Walk on, the court or you go on, the field
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Speaker 5: or you go into these wrestling rings or whatever right,
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Speaker 5: their stage if you get, BEAT up i, understand It and,
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Speaker 5: i'm like, hey man they got to. Protect themselves they
13:23
Speaker 5: don't know who. You are but when you go into,
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Speaker 5: the stands. It's different the guy that jumps on, the
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Speaker 5: court cool he got what, he deserves and he's also
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Speaker 5: a victim trying to like cry. About it they actually interview,
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Speaker 5: him too but they're trying to act like they didn't
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Speaker 5: deserve these suspensions and they would have had a championship
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Speaker 5: and they got taken away.
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Speaker 4: From, them no you took.
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Speaker 5: It Away ron artest should NOT have i don't care
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Speaker 5: that he threw, a, Cup, right yeah that sucks that
13:48
Speaker 5: he threw a cup and it pissed. You off he
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Speaker 5: shouldn't have done, That either but that Doesn't, excuse yeah
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Speaker 5: let me run in the stand and start.
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Speaker 4: Punching, People YEAH and.
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Speaker 6: I kind of look at this like like shooting ranges and.
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Speaker 1: Golf, Range right if you walk out like on the
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Speaker 1: golf range while people are, you, know dropting making drives
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Speaker 1: out into the range and you start getting hit by, golf,
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Speaker 1: balls like that's one hundred percent.
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Speaker 6: On you. Same thing if you're a shooting range.
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Speaker 1: And you start walking around by the targets and you,
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Speaker 1: get shot that's. On you but you don't expect someone
14:19
Speaker 1: to bring their gun from the shooting range into, The
14:21
Speaker 1: store and you don't expect someone to take the golf
14:24
Speaker 1: club into the pro shop and start smacking people. With
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Speaker 1: it so there is and there is a guy that
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Speaker 1: mentions that they break this kind of like, unwritten rule
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Speaker 1: and that's that the players never ever enter, the fans
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Speaker 1: they never assault the fans because a it breaks down
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Speaker 1: the whole facade. And everything but it also like reminds
14:44
Speaker 1: people that, the origin the origin of sports is essentially, blood,
14:48
Speaker 1: Sport right so it's kind of like breaking this, unwritten
14:51
Speaker 1: rule and this this particular scene that kind of like
14:54
Speaker 1: violates that. Whole thing it shows you what happens when
14:57
Speaker 1: that unwritten rule.
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Speaker 5: Gets broken the suspension's went along, like this and this
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Speaker 5: IS where i like they're complaining, about it and, To me,
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Speaker 5: i'm like, come, on man.
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Speaker 4: These seemed pretty reasonable for.
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Speaker 5: What Happened david harris, was involved he'd been a, move
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Speaker 5: involvement one. Game suspension these are All. The Pacers anthony
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Speaker 5: johnson got a five. Game suspension, jermaine O'Neil who fought
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Speaker 5: the guy on the Court With. Steven jackson those two
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Speaker 5: got one twenty five of game suspension and the other thirty,
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Speaker 5: game SUSPENSION which i thought was fair, because hey they
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Speaker 5: shouldn't hit, the guy but the guys should.
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Speaker 4: Have been on, the court they got to give.
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Speaker 5: You Something ron artescat eighty six game suspension.
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Speaker 4: And they, were like what, the, yes bro he ran into.
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Speaker 5: The stands you can't, Do that like that's like us
15:38
Speaker 5: doing something on.
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Speaker 4: OUR job i can't just cuss out, a customer you
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Speaker 4: KNOW what?
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Speaker 5: I mean it would, be, great man when, they'd say,
15:43
Speaker 5: hey man you didn't give this or you didn't, do
15:45
Speaker 5: that and they gave you the wrong details and, they're
15:47
Speaker 5: WRONG and i want to tell, them like, hey man you,
15:49
Speaker 5: know what you can stick This Email like, I'M like
15:52
Speaker 5: i can't. SAY that i have to, go yep, sure,
15:54
Speaker 5: Things sir let me go figure out. What's wrong AND
15:56
Speaker 5: then i have to go tell by co workers like
15:58
Speaker 5: it's eighty eight he doesn't. Aways story that's how, it.
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Speaker 5: Works man we all have to deal. With customers those
16:03
Speaker 5: are your. PAYING customers i thought games.
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Speaker 1: WAS good i, Thought, too yeah everyone that steps out
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Speaker 1: on this field was in. The wrong all the fans
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Speaker 1: do and everything are completely in. The wrong but there's
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Speaker 1: you're also seeing this kind of Feeling of i'm above,
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Speaker 1: The law are you? Kidding Me like i'm ON, The
16:21
Speaker 1: nba i'm about to win. These championships i'm making millions.
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Speaker 1: OF dollars i can PUNCH whoever, i WANT like i
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Speaker 1: can do THIS on tv and just get away.
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Speaker 6: With it and they make that.
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Speaker 1: A point the prosecution makes that a point to not
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Speaker 1: let them get away, with it although ultimately they do
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Speaker 1: pretty much get away.
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Speaker 6: With, It right no one's being interviewed.
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Speaker 1: From jail in this, entire thing even though even though
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Speaker 1: Even By reggie miller's, on mission We see jermaine O'Neill
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Speaker 1: caught like create an, attempted murder like if he would
16:50
Speaker 1: have fully connected this, sucker punch because he comes from
16:53
Speaker 1: half court running at this dude and then, whiffs right,
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Speaker 1: Completely Misses And reggie, miller's like if he had connected,
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Speaker 1: that guy that fan would have, Been dead like this
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Speaker 1: would have been a. Murder case And as i'm, Watching this, i'm,
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Speaker 1: like actually that's kind. Of true, but then like You
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Speaker 1: mentioned jermaine as one of the co producers, of this
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Speaker 1: so they ask him, about it and it's it's a
17:15
Speaker 1: little surreal because, he's, like well first, of all, YOU
17:18
Speaker 1: know i grew Up In south carolina and they Had
17:20
Speaker 1: a confederate flag outside. The courthouse i'm, just thinking hold on,
17:23
Speaker 1: a minute are we talking about a basketball game that
17:27
Speaker 1: Happened in michigan like twenty years.
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Speaker 5: After this and to, your point they didn't really get
17:33
Speaker 5: any significant charges like mistermeanor assault for our Test mister
17:38
Speaker 5: Meaner as Saul, for jackson AND then i think the
17:42
Speaker 5: O'Neal's charges were. All dropped And Then john green he
17:45
Speaker 5: pleaded no contest and got probation and. ANGER management i
17:49
Speaker 5: think they got him for like inciting. A riot i
17:52
Speaker 5: think that was what they were trying to get him
17:54
Speaker 5: because that then they followed the rest of the film
17:57
Speaker 5: is like following After This. John green they, this though
18:01
Speaker 5: is Like what i'll get into a little. Bit later
18:02
Speaker 5: so They're Following john green and picking out like who
18:06
Speaker 5: threw the who threw? This cup they going through the
18:08
Speaker 5: whole arena of every every aspect of, every camera picking
18:13
Speaker 5: up every angle this this guy's watching all the footage
18:17
Speaker 5: of where did this cup?
18:18
Speaker 4: Come from and then they finally.
18:19
Speaker 5: Find It Get, john green and they kind of just
18:22
Speaker 5: blame it all. On him, they're like none of this
18:23
Speaker 5: would Happen If john green didn't throw, that cup WHICH
18:27
Speaker 5: partially i. Agree with, i'm, like yeah, of course like
18:30
Speaker 5: that's like how. It works but that is not the
18:32
Speaker 5: response you get for throwing. A cup you Know what,
18:34
Speaker 5: I'M saying i wouldn't like. To either Now YOU now i,
18:37
Speaker 5: will say if you spit, on me that may be
18:40
Speaker 5: A response. I give i kind of get that because
18:42
Speaker 5: that's like one of the most. Disrespectful things it's.
18:44
Speaker 4: A cup he just. Threw it who knew that he
18:47
Speaker 4: was gonna? Actually?
18:48
Speaker 5: Connect bro how many times do you think people? Throw
18:50
Speaker 5: stuff should he have?
18:51
Speaker 4: Thrown? Something no but is that the? Correct, RESPONSE well.
18:55
Speaker 1: I remember when, this happened it was you pretty. Much
19:00
Speaker 1: universal this was run our. Test fault no one was
19:02
Speaker 1: blaming the fans for any of. This happened no one
19:04
Speaker 1: Was blaming Jermaine Or. Steve jackson it was all run.
19:07
Speaker 1: Our tests Run our test was the catalyst that made all.
19:11
Speaker 1: This happen he's the one that created the foul to.
19:14
Speaker 1: Begin with he's the one that was laying down on
19:16
Speaker 1: the table just pissing off. The fans and even in
19:19
Speaker 1: this documentary he explained and like everyone they interview has a.
19:24
Speaker 1: Million excuses there's absolutely no accountability from anyone that, they,
19:27
Speaker 1: interview right but roun our test is, Like first, he's,
19:30
Speaker 1: LIKE no i wasn't, YOU see i was in therapy for,
19:33
Speaker 1: anger MANAGEMENT and i was using this technique that they
19:36
Speaker 1: taught me where you just take. Five minutes and then,
19:38
Speaker 1: he's like BUT also i was kind, of flexing and
19:42
Speaker 1: he Knew that Jermaine And steven jackson were hood like,
19:45
Speaker 1: he was so that he could rely on them to.
19:47
Speaker 1: Be enforcers like he could just lay back, and like,
19:50
Speaker 1: ha ha look. At me i'm just relaxing here in
19:52
Speaker 1: an enemy territory on the, score table and my homies
19:56
Speaker 1: are gonna take care of anyone that's that's gonna come.
19:58
Speaker 1: At me talking about the, opposing team we're not even
20:00
Speaker 1: talking about the fans at, This point so clearly he's
20:03
Speaker 1: the one causing.
20:04
Speaker 6: All this on top, of that you.
20:06
Speaker 1: Get such an idea of how he's truly like a POS.
20:10
Speaker 6: Right a he's not showing up the practice.
20:12
Speaker 1: At all he wants to work on his, rap album
20:16
Speaker 1: which IS Featuring, p diddy by, the way and he
20:18
Speaker 1: was PICTURED With p DIDDY and I Think ashton kutcher
20:21
Speaker 1: AND Some p diddy parties in like, two thousand like
20:23
Speaker 1: right when this, was happening because it was all about.
20:26
Speaker 1: This album then he's calling out, of practice saying that my.
20:29
Speaker 1: Grandma died but then he shows up At The source
20:31
Speaker 1: AWARDS With pd pablo instead of at. Grandma's funeral so
20:35
Speaker 1: he's blowing the team off constantly and he's just causing
20:39
Speaker 1: problems even though he's a great player, Like that no
20:41
Speaker 1: one in, this documentary regardless of all the horrible things
20:45
Speaker 1: that happened because of him being, this catalyst they're, still,
20:48
Speaker 1: like damn he was a, great, player right he was
20:50
Speaker 1: such A good so there's this aspect, of it but
20:54
Speaker 1: no one really takes any credit.
20:57
Speaker 6: For this and even at the, end too they have
21:01
Speaker 6: a couple.
21:01
Speaker 1: Little interviews where, he's, LIKE yeah i was a coward because,
21:04
Speaker 1: After This stephen Jackson and jermaine O'Neil, were, like yeah,
21:08
Speaker 1: you know we're ready to. Throw down we wore back
21:10
Speaker 1: our homie. Up run our test is, just, LIKE yeah
21:13
Speaker 1: i don't care about. This anymore i'm gonna leave and
21:15
Speaker 1: go to a different. Team now and he goes and gets,
21:17
Speaker 1: his ring and no one else gets. The ring no
21:19
Speaker 1: one else gets to live out. Their career another big
21:22
Speaker 1: Thing is jermaine makes a point in this, of, like,
21:25
Speaker 1: yeah man that that game ruined.
21:26
Speaker 6: My.
21:27
Speaker 1: Career man malice Of the palace ruined. The career now
21:30
Speaker 1: it turns out that like he blew his knees out
21:33
Speaker 1: in games, following that and then he had a mediocre
21:36
Speaker 1: performance compared to how he. Was drafted that's kind of
21:40
Speaker 1: what blew. The career it had absolutely nothing to Do
21:42
Speaker 1: with malice Of. The Palace from malice To the palace
21:44
Speaker 1: to aftermath run. Our tests he, lost money but again
21:48
Speaker 1: he goes on to play For. The lakers. He's fine
21:51
Speaker 1: jermaine O'Neill loses four point one million dollars by missing
21:56
Speaker 1: those twenty five Games And steven jackson loses like one
22:00
Speaker 1: two million dollars for.
22:01
Speaker 6: Thirty games so.
22:02
Speaker 1: Even there you can see the Disparity between Jermaine And,
22:06
Speaker 1: stephen jackson Where like jermaine's getting paid like at least
22:09
Speaker 1: four times.
22:10
Speaker 5: As, much well not to, mention too it just whole
22:13
Speaker 5: film Feels like jermaine pushed for it because, he's mad
22:16
Speaker 5: because he's the only one that didn't get, a ring
22:18
Speaker 5: Because Even stephen jackson got a ring.
22:20
Speaker 4: With, the spurs so they've all.
22:22
Speaker 5: Got RINGS and i think it was one of those
22:25
Speaker 5: testaments to like loyalty of LIKE was.
22:28
Speaker 4: I loyal to the?
22:29
Speaker 5: Wrong people because, they're like, all, right man we're out.
22:32
Speaker 5: Of here, bro, like hey it was it, was, great
22:34
Speaker 5: right it. Was Great The mounts palace man.
22:35
Speaker 4: Fun, Times man, I'm out i'm gonna make. More money
22:38
Speaker 4: i'm gonna get.
22:38
Speaker 5: My rings and he thought that they were gonna be
22:40
Speaker 5: this like group that was stuck together and won a
22:44
Speaker 5: bunch of championships because that's what they were under the.
22:46
Speaker 4: Impression of and then this game changed.
22:48
Speaker 5: Your trajectory but that doesn't mean that this would have,
22:51
Speaker 5: done anything because again you're still gonna blow out. Your
22:54
Speaker 5: knees it finds to me where they're just kind of
22:57
Speaker 5: like digging back on the, oh man the glory and, what,
23:01
Speaker 5: ifs right Like If joe green didn't throw, that cup.
23:13
Speaker 4: Hidden treasures and. OVERBOARD moments i think my hidden treasure
23:19
Speaker 4: IS what i alluded to in.
23:21
Speaker 5: THE beginning i almost go went into the plot of,
23:23
Speaker 5: the COURSE but i, was like let me back. THIS
23:26
Speaker 5: up i think this is crazy to me that this
23:28
Speaker 5: whole film because now all this technology has been talked
23:32
Speaker 5: ABOUT at nfl STADIUMS and, nba stadiums facial recognition. Cameras
23:37
Speaker 5: everywhere this was the beginning, of, like oh we're gonna
23:40
Speaker 5: go on.
23:40
Speaker 4: A hunt there's.
23:41
Speaker 5: Cameras everywhere they had so much footage of, this incident.
23:44
Speaker 5: It's insane, and now obviously this is two thousand, and
23:47
Speaker 5: four and now we're in twenty, twenty six this is
23:50
Speaker 5: a whole new, ballgame, where yeah these cameras are not,
23:53
Speaker 5: only there but they're like probably thermal, facial recognition all
23:57
Speaker 5: kinds of different things that they can track. You WITH
23:59
Speaker 5: but I think i think the real treasure for me
24:01
Speaker 5: was just getting a bird's. Eye view no put intended
24:06
Speaker 5: of them actually. Finding evidence they went through every single
24:10
Speaker 5: piece of footage To Find joe green.
24:13
Speaker 1: And if they found, his ass but but also no
24:17
Speaker 1: one could. Identify him they had a picture, of them
24:20
Speaker 1: but it's just, some bald white guy in, a cap
24:23
Speaker 1: and no one knows who the hell this. Guy IS
24:26
Speaker 1: and i guess they couldn't track it to a ticket
24:27
Speaker 1: because he had come down from. The nosebleeds except the
24:31
Speaker 1: prosecutor on. The case as he's reviewing, the footage, he's
24:35
Speaker 1: like wait, a minute that guy used to date. My
24:37
Speaker 1: neighbor and that's how he gets found is because he
24:41
Speaker 1: used to date the. Prosecutor's neighbors so that tiny. LITTLE
24:44
Speaker 1: detail i think it's like my hidden treasure on this
24:47
Speaker 1: is once you step back and you see all of
24:50
Speaker 1: the pieces that had to be lined up just perfectly
24:54
Speaker 1: for this whole thing. To happen IT was i have
24:57
Speaker 1: this old this driver's ad teacher and high, high school
25:00
Speaker 1: and he was, super annoying but he had the same
25:02
Speaker 1: phrase used to say over and.
25:03
Speaker 6: OVER again i still hear him in the back of.
25:05
Speaker 1: My head but the biggest one is, they're like there's
25:07
Speaker 1: no car accident that just happened because you had to
25:11
Speaker 1: slam on the brakes or because you had to slam
25:13
Speaker 1: on the brakes when it. Was raining, it's like usually
25:15
Speaker 1: it's like five or six things are, all happening and
25:18
Speaker 1: when all those things happen, at once that's when this huge.
25:21
Speaker 1: Tragedy occurs because if it's, just raining. That's fine if
25:24
Speaker 1: it's just you hitting, the brakes that's. Also fine these
25:27
Speaker 1: things happen all, the time but you can't mitigate six
25:30
Speaker 1: or seven or twenty. Things happening this like you get
25:33
Speaker 1: to see them slowly deconstruct this malice Of, the palace
25:38
Speaker 1: and they show like it's just.
25:40
Speaker 6: Pure.
25:40
Speaker 1: Chaos Right ron artest is a freaking, loose wire and
25:44
Speaker 1: He's got jermaine O'Neill And stephen jackson also acting like,
25:48
Speaker 1: loose wires and he's been riling up the, Entire Team reggie.
25:51
Speaker 1: Miller included he punches the, wrong guy which causes just,
25:55
Speaker 1: absolute Pandemonium And reggie miller makes this joke of like
26:00
Speaker 1: it was the best Miss of jermayne's career. Or something
26:04
Speaker 1: but like when he throws, like this whif you've got
26:07
Speaker 1: the Fact That ben wallace's brother had, just died you've
26:10
Speaker 1: Got these. Keystone cops apparently there was not enough security
26:15
Speaker 1: at the. Game itself and when the cops actually arrive,
26:17
Speaker 1: on scene they run Straight To reggie miller and they
26:21
Speaker 1: start Like Harassing, reggie Miller and, he's like bro go
26:24
Speaker 1: and handle the like the.
26:25
Speaker 6: Actual riot that's.
26:26
Speaker 1: Going on you've got so many different people you can
26:29
Speaker 1: relate to. As well because they got Interviews With, Ron
26:32
Speaker 1: artests Jermaine And. STEPHEN jackson i got, To Say Run
26:35
Speaker 1: art tests represents this Personality that i'm, Familiar WITH like
26:39
Speaker 1: i know a couple people at not at the Level
26:41
Speaker 1: of Ron, art tests but the same, thought process the,
26:44
Speaker 1: same logic the same, like, whatever man it's JUST what.
26:47
Speaker 1: I did IT'S how i felt in the moment and
26:49
Speaker 1: and make like justify everything after. The fact but then
26:52
Speaker 1: you've also got really down To Earth. Reggie miller you're
26:55
Speaker 1: talking to like old commissioners and stuff like getting. Every
26:58
Speaker 1: fans everyone has a taken, This one and it's so
27:01
Speaker 1: much better than one of the previous documentaries we saw
27:04
Speaker 1: where they're like interviewing fans is filler. This one you're
27:06
Speaker 1: interviewing fans and you're getting every. Single perspective here's like
27:11
Speaker 1: the players that went, through it here's, the plant the
27:13
Speaker 1: fans that got socked BY the, nba players here's people
27:17
Speaker 1: watching it from the. Outside IN so i think that
27:20
Speaker 1: seeing all these different things combined and like a. Full
27:24
Speaker 1: deconstruction you don't really get this in. Documentaries often so
27:27
Speaker 1: it's huge hidden treasure that they're able to like piece
27:30
Speaker 1: the whole thing together and make you care about it
27:32
Speaker 1: even if you don't care about. Sports, ball uh there's
27:35
Speaker 1: so much in this one that you can really sink or.
27:37
Speaker 4: Teeth into my overboard moment is a few.
27:44
Speaker 5: Where they kind of just have this like pitty Party
27:46
Speaker 5: for jermaine O'Neal and for that the fat fan where he's, just.
27:50
Speaker 4: LIKE dude i was, like, said, like bro you walked onto.
27:53
Speaker 5: The court you decided to walk onto, the court and you,
27:56
Speaker 5: Were like i'm going to FIGHT an, nba player and
27:59
Speaker 5: in your you WERE like i could.
28:01
Speaker 4: Take him you really thought you could.
28:03
Speaker 5: Take him like as SOON as i seen you walk on,
28:05
Speaker 5: THE court i, was like this guy's gonna get.
28:06
Speaker 6: Fucked up.
28:09
Speaker 1: And he thought he was gonna get paid out of.
28:11
Speaker 1: That too he's, probably, like, no yeah punch me on.
28:13
Speaker 1: OUR test i need to get some money. Right now
28:15
Speaker 1: but he.
28:16
Speaker 5: Didn't understand and then then, he's, LIKE oh i should
28:18
Speaker 5: get paid and this.
28:19
Speaker 4: And that that's his feeling.
28:20
Speaker 5: Of it and then, you're, like dude just that victimization
28:23
Speaker 5: kind of just turns me off to like documentaries and stuff.
28:26
Speaker 4: Like that same Thing with.
28:27
Speaker 5: Jermaine O'Neil like then you kind of like as you
28:29
Speaker 5: get to, the end, you're, like oh this whole thing
28:31
Speaker 5: Was just jermaine O'Neil crying because he didn't get a
28:34
Speaker 5: ring and everybody else got a ring and it's not.
28:36
Speaker 5: His fault he was just defending and helping out, his
28:40
Speaker 5: friends and, you're, like dude you didn't have to, Do
28:42
Speaker 5: that like you knew that you and, are, Like yes
28:45
Speaker 5: i'm sure you guys talk. About it it's like when someone Goes.
28:48
Speaker 5: In michigan you can shoot somebody in your home if
28:51
Speaker 5: there's no. Way out so the joke, is, like hey
28:54
Speaker 5: just go to, your, Basement right.
28:55
Speaker 4: You're, Like hey i'm in.
28:56
Speaker 5: The basement don't come, down here because then you could shoot.
28:58
Speaker 5: The guy it's probably the same joke that they make IN,
29:00
Speaker 5: the NBA like i wish him motherfucker would jump on,
29:02
Speaker 5: this court put your foot on, this court and then see.
29:06
Speaker 4: What happens and they finally.
29:07
Speaker 5: Got it, they're, like Oh this detroit then because they hear,
29:11
Speaker 5: them talking, you know and fans, are, like ah you
29:13
Speaker 5: adio da da d talking.
29:14
Speaker 4: About your mom yelling. At people, they're, like oh this is.
29:17
Speaker 4: My moment he stepped.
29:18
Speaker 5: On It and, jermaine O'Neil who was like, six', nine
29:21
Speaker 5: six' ten like three hundred pounds to eighty somewhere around
29:24
Speaker 5: that range, in his early twenties is running across court
29:30
Speaker 5: like about to like he was going to go to
29:32
Speaker 5: jail for the rest of his. LIFE if he connected
29:34
Speaker 5: i know they, were JOKING about it but i have
29:36
Speaker 5: no doubt in my mind that if he connected, that
29:39
Speaker 5: guy was dead then not only was his, family Gonna
29:42
Speaker 5: get paid but jermaine O'Neil would, have been behind bars.
29:45
Speaker 1: Which is, an, Attempted, mart murder right like even, though
29:48
Speaker 1: he didn't connect. He attempted, TO connect, so whatever i
29:52
Speaker 1: mean he's lucky he's not. In jail over that he's
29:54
Speaker 1: lucky that he had enough money to put into lawyers
29:58
Speaker 1: to get him off on whatever tech noicalities that they.
30:00
Speaker 1: Got them off on but one hundred percent that was attempted,
30:04
Speaker 1: Murder IN my eyes and i guess THE overboard for me.
30:07
Speaker 1: I got is twofold the short version, of it is.
30:11
Speaker 1: Like no one died let's, Just, get that clear like
30:14
Speaker 1: no One died in This. Malice of the, palace.
30:16
Speaker 6: Oh my god it. WAS the, most controversial I.
30:18
Speaker 1: Mean there's a p diddy promotional event that people got
30:22
Speaker 1: trampled to death and that doesn't, have, Its Own documentary
30:25
Speaker 1: right So, malice of the palace it's it's, kind of you.
30:29
Speaker 1: Know players punch fans no, one goes to jail no one.
30:33
Speaker 6: Goes to the hospital that's ultimately it's a little.
30:36
Speaker 1: Bit of a nothing it's every it's all of like
30:38
Speaker 1: the dynamics that, led up to this and ultimately the
30:41
Speaker 1: other part OF the overboard is i think the conversation
30:44
Speaker 1: that it brought up, even at the time and this
30:47
Speaker 1: is when people are coming out of the woodwork, and they're,
30:49
Speaker 1: saying like you know these players are, uneducated and they're
30:54
Speaker 1: immature which are all, kind of code words just saying
30:57
Speaker 1: like they're, these dugs we got we've got these hoodlums
31:01
Speaker 1: and you can't give them money and just private jets
31:04
Speaker 1: and expect that they're going. To change their ways and
31:06
Speaker 1: here's an example of just the hood running loose and,
31:10
Speaker 1: interacting with you. Know normal respectable society punching drunk fans
31:15
Speaker 1: that are crawling under the court apparently is, a step
31:17
Speaker 1: too far but it brings, up that particular conversation and
31:22
Speaker 1: that's when the tail end. Of this Documentary starts You
31:26
Speaker 1: see jermaine like i'm gonna put the, finger, on you
31:29
Speaker 1: media LIKE look at you espn calling us thugs and
31:33
Speaker 1: how dare the police come and try and. Take me,
31:35
Speaker 1: TO jail it's, like, I don't know man. I saw
31:37
Speaker 1: this footage it seems like maybe the players did, deserve to,
31:42
Speaker 1: get caught you know, pulled off to jail the fans
31:44
Speaker 1: deserve to get. Pulled off The Jail everyone but reggie
31:46
Speaker 1: miller essentially should have. Maybe gone to jail no one
31:49
Speaker 1: really faces any kind of, Reak percussions for this but
31:52
Speaker 1: it's wild that just because he got off and got
31:56
Speaker 1: all charges dropped in the long run to look back on, this,
31:59
Speaker 1: And be LIKE yeah court says i. Never, did anything
32:01
Speaker 1: wrong like let's just play that. Tape one more time
32:04
Speaker 1: if you run in full speed half court towards this
32:08
Speaker 1: dude that already got rocked or he's already on the
32:10
Speaker 1: ground and now you're gonna like sucker punch him with three,
32:13
Speaker 1: HUNDRED pounds behind. THAT i, don't know i mean it
32:17
Speaker 1: seems that the point still stands that when, the players,
32:22
Speaker 1: are attacking and again this isn't just like, a random
32:26
Speaker 1: you KNOW ball out.
32:27
Speaker 6: Of ymca or something this is the highest league that.
32:31
Speaker 1: You can get to this will be like getting onto,
32:33
Speaker 1: The Mat and like chuck norris just knock somebody, out and,
32:36
Speaker 1: You're Like, come on chuck norris like you gotta be,
32:39
Speaker 1: reserved ENOUGH to realize like i will MURDER this person
32:42
Speaker 1: if i throw, a punch at them and to not
32:45
Speaker 1: do that and that there's a there is an expectation
32:48
Speaker 1: that you can be professional enough that someone can throw
32:50
Speaker 1: a cup at you and you won't let that turn.
32:53
Speaker 1: Into a murder CHARGE and apparently the nba had not
32:57
Speaker 1: really come come to. Addresses at any point this was
33:00
Speaker 1: the moment and the commissioner comes, and he's just like
33:03
Speaker 1: he doesn't even have to send, it, To a committee
33:06
Speaker 1: right he's the one person, And, He's just, like bay, i'm,
33:08
Speaker 1: suspended suspend it suspended this. Will never happen again and they,
33:13
Speaker 1: paint this, as like you know he's he shouldn't be able.
33:15
Speaker 1: To do that again the whole, end of this movie they're.
33:18
Speaker 1: Justifying everything that, happened i'm just thinking like everyone's lucky
33:22
Speaker 1: that they're not.
33:22
Speaker 6: In JAIL right now.
33:24
Speaker 5: And i want to say another hidden treasure that's not
33:27
Speaker 5: necessarily you. Have to really dig it doesn't show you with,
33:30
Speaker 5: this in the film but It's Undertone of like steven
33:33
Speaker 5: jackson ends up becoming like a BIG face. In the
33:36
Speaker 5: blm Movement Jermaine O'Neil and, ronard TESTS are like so
33:39
Speaker 5: i want, To in my opinion tinfoil had on this
33:43
Speaker 5: is like a catalyst syop to get you to feel
33:46
Speaker 5: sorry for these guys, to, See their movement right like
33:50
Speaker 5: this whole movement of the divide.
33:51
Speaker 4: Of, race is like oh cops.
33:53
Speaker 5: Are bad to us, they're calling us thugs which like
33:56
Speaker 5: is excusing. Some of the behavior it doesn't mean that
33:58
Speaker 5: every single person THAT was in the nba that's, Black
34:01
Speaker 5: as a thug but like your mentality as this young
34:04
Speaker 5: age at seventeen, to twenty years old when these guys
34:07
Speaker 5: are some of them, coming into the. League they're not
34:09
Speaker 5: mature they come from, different varieties of backgrounds and they
34:12
Speaker 5: may be, like kind of disgruntled and nobody's like, adapting,
34:16
Speaker 5: them to like hey this is a, different part of
34:18
Speaker 5: society and we're like throwing them in, there and, being
34:21
Speaker 5: like oh, Man THESE crazy guys like, i GET the
34:23
Speaker 5: clash and i just think it was seeds to sow
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Speaker 5: of this whole divide of racial tensions because it kind
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Speaker 5: of got there where they're like how could they couldn't
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Speaker 5: see how arrogant THEY were, Being as nba players.
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Speaker 4: Like how could they dare to? Step on?
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Speaker 5: Our, Court these peasants right they're they're in that talking,
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Speaker 5: whether they're like these these guys are coming after, us because.
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Speaker 4: We're black we're thugs we're being.
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Speaker 5: Label at this stuff, this was the Beginning Right, before the,
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Speaker 5: Trayvon MARTIN you know like i think it's like What,
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Speaker 5: the seeds because it's Kind Of funny how steven jackson
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Speaker 5: funeral and like he's a huge actual because.
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Speaker 1: By devil, floyd uh but yeah it's wild because, as
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35:42
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Speaker 1: I mean it's, a sports ball, movie no one died
36:05
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Speaker 1: i don't really care about the sport aspect. Of this
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Speaker 1: entire movie it brought up so many different tangents and
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Speaker 1: through like i don't know my races for thinking you
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36:26
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Speaker 1: WHITE versus black, thing, I don't know man i just
36:36
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37:08
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37:14
Speaker 1: Inside of a game, they, Were already winning bro like they.
37:17
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37:20
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Speaker 1: waited for the buzzer and all gone home and none of.
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Speaker 1: little elements in play the exact. Opposite of that happened
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37:57
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37:59
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38:02
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38:04
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38:07
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38:09
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38:12
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38:20
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38:24
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