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The Occult Rejects & The Divine Feminine · The Occult Rejects

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  Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
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  Speaker 2: What?
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  Speaker 1: What's going to happen? What?
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  Speaker 2: I welcome back to the occult rejects. Tonight we are
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  Speaker 2: talking about the divine feminine. Well, we have to be
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  Speaker 2: careful with that phrase, because of the divine feminine is not
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  Speaker 2: just one thing. It is not just goddess worship. It
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  Speaker 2: is not just fertility, is not just sex, motherhood, nature
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  Speaker 2: of moonlight. It is also soverigny, terror, prophecy, grief, magic, war, kingship, death, healing, initiation,
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  Speaker 2: and forbidden knowledge. That is why this subject has always
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  Speaker 2: made certain people nervous. When the feminine sacred shows up
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  Speaker 2: outside approved religious boundaries, it often gets demonized. The goddess
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  Speaker 2: becomes an idol, the priestess becomes dangerous, the healer becomes
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  Speaker 2: a witch, the woman with visions becomes accused of deception, possession,
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  Speaker 2: or heresy. And to the ignorant, the uninitiated, and the fearful,
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  Speaker 2: anything sacred that does not fit inside their narrow theology
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  Speaker 2: starts to look satanic. But that reaction says more about
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  Speaker 2: fear than truth. Across the ancient world, we find the
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  Speaker 2: sacred imagined through feminine forms inana, descending into the underworld
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  Speaker 2: isis gathering the broken body of Osiris, Hathor's music, intoxication,
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  Speaker 2: love and the cow horned sky, Mary as Virgin Mother
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  Speaker 2: and Queen of Heaven, Mary Magdalene as witness and teacher,
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  Speaker 2: Sophia as wisdom fallen into matter, d Schechina as in
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  Speaker 2: dwelling presence, the Black Madonna as dark maternal mystery, and
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  Speaker 2: the Witch as the demonized remainder of female spiritual power.
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  Speaker 2: These figures are not all the same, They do not
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  Speaker 2: come from one universal religion, and we do not need
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  Speaker 2: to fit them into one story. But they do reveal
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  Speaker 2: a pattern. Again and again, human beings have imagined the
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  Speaker 2: sacred through the Mother, the Virgin, the queen, the mourner,
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  Speaker 2: the lover, the prophetess, the Witch, and Wisdom herself. So
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  Speaker 2: tonight we are asking what happens when the feminine face
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  Speaker 2: of the divine is honored, feared, absorbed, renamed, or driven underground?
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  Speaker 2: And why does this sacred keep returning through the body,
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  Speaker 2: the womb, the tomb, the moon, the dream, the cave,
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  Speaker 2: the crossroads, and the woman who knows too much? And
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  Speaker 2: to talk about that topic tonight, we got a whole
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  Speaker 2: bunch of us here, and to start that off, we
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  Speaker 2: do got Judith the Moon. What is going on? Judith?
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  Speaker 2: How are you?
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  Speaker 3: I am fine, Thank you for having me. I look
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  Speaker 3: forward to this discussion and everyone else. You can find
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  Speaker 3: me normally on at speaker and on YouTube as the Loon.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm glad to see here with all the whole
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  Speaker 3: Glad to be here with the whole gang.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, We've got a lot of us here tonight.
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  Speaker 2: It's gonna be awesome. We got my man Jinda Ninja,
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  Speaker 2: what is going on? Freda? How the hell are you?
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  Speaker 1: What is the boss? And mister ninety nine or mister
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  Speaker 1: ninety three?
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  Speaker 2: I guess I did thirty three, ninety three, ninety nine?
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  Speaker 1: All right, it always changes, okay, well.
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  Speaker 2: For sixty nine next.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, next time. So I'm really excited. I saw, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you always email me the Indites and I'm always gained
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  Speaker 1: to join. But I saw Divine feminine, and I saw
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  Speaker 1: everybody was coming, and I was like, well, this is
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  Speaker 1: kind of my wheelhouse a little bit at least. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I started with you Nick discussing the Mahavidj's and the
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  Speaker 1: cabalistic Tree of Life. So and I also did the
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  Speaker 1: a on of the Daughter with the Gray Lodge, so
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  Speaker 1: you know, it all kind of makes sense. So I'm
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  Speaker 1: really excited to be here. If people want to check
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  Speaker 1: me out, they can go to YouTube dot com slash
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  Speaker 1: at Threshold Saints or subsot dot com slash Threshold Saints.
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  Speaker 1: Can find all of our all the Threshold Saints episodes
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  Speaker 1: as well as the Gray Lodge. And yeah, we've got
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  Speaker 1: Battlestar Galatzka coming up on Friday, so everybody can stay
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  Speaker 1: tuned for that. And I have multiple episodes of Saints
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  Speaker 1: dropping with the people from Apocalypse Confidential, which is a
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  Speaker 1: very cool online lit mad that's they say it's going
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  Speaker 1: to be the new Vice, so let's see. Let's see
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  Speaker 1: where it goes.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks guys, sure right, sounds nice man, Good for you,
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  Speaker 2: all right, and we got Kaiva Rose. What is going on? Kiva?
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  Speaker 4: How were you good to be here with you all?
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  Speaker 4: I'm excited to talk about this topic. Everybody can find
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  Speaker 4: me at Kaiva Rose on Instagram, YouTube, and Facebook, and
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  Speaker 4: you can get a reading if you go to my
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  Speaker 4: website at eleven Kaiba Rosetti three dot com.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you well, thank you for joining us. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: Ethan indigo, what is going on, sir.
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  Speaker 5: Piece, most excellent to be here with everyone, especially our
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  Speaker 5: divine feminine ladies here. I also have given this a
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  Speaker 5: great deal of thought being masculine or male claude that
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  Speaker 5: I am. So I'm excited to talk about this. Recent
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  Speaker 5: articles on a cult research institute or what am I
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  Speaker 5: getting wrong?
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  Speaker 2: Cult research? Yeah you're right, yeah right.
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  Speaker 5: Okay, Cult Research Institute dot org and other articles on
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  Speaker 5: geometry of energy and appreciate everybody and any communication, so
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  Speaker 5: feel free to reach out.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much for making it, Ethan. I was
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  Speaker 2: actually hoping very much that you did make it. Actually thought, uh,
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  Speaker 2: you're you know you're talking the I guess you know.
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  Speaker 2: The feminine with marijuana was actually really interesting, so yeah,
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  Speaker 2: one of my favorite. Yeah, so I was hoping you'd
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  Speaker 2: kind of bring you know, bring your mind for that
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  Speaker 2: as well. On this topic, we got my man Maggis Brandon,
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  Speaker 2: what is up? How are you?
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  Speaker 6: I am quite swell. Thank you so much. They're federal.
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  Speaker 6: The cardinal Electric had himself. This is gonna be fantastic.
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  Speaker 6: I'm excited to have this conversation with everyone. Yeah, Nick,
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  Speaker 6: Nick sends it out and he's all like, should we
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  Speaker 6: do this. Are you ready and can you get here?
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  Speaker 6: And I was like, yes, we will make sure we
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  Speaker 6: get here because this is a topic that's fascinating enough,
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  Speaker 6: probably at the very heart of a lot of misunderstanding
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  Speaker 6: in both the mainframe world and the New Age spiritual
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  Speaker 6: nonsensical world. And so for some reason, everybody always wants
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  Speaker 6: to tear things apart, and the idea is to put
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  Speaker 6: them back together in that sacred marriage. And so I'm
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  Speaker 6: very excited find me at Magus in the Media where
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  Speaker 6: we break down myth magic and the meaning and the
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  Speaker 6: stories that you and I love and I love working
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  Speaker 6: with these people right here before you, and let's get
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  Speaker 6: it on.
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  Speaker 2: Awesome. I'm so happy you made it for real. Thank
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  Speaker 2: you very much, sir. I appreciate it. And we got
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  Speaker 2: my man, Jewels, what is up, Jeweles? How are you?
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  Speaker 7: What is going on?
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  Speaker 1: Man?
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  Speaker 8: Thank you guys for inviting me this evening. It's good
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  Speaker 8: to see you all again. Everybody.
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  Speaker 7: I'm Jewels, host.
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  Speaker 8: Of the Great Pill podcast, the Mississippi Mystic Handsome High Event.
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  Speaker 8: Got a lot of names, but this episode I feel
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  Speaker 8: is very important.
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  Speaker 1: Uh.
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  Speaker 8: You know, there's a lot of misinformation, disinformation out there,
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  Speaker 8: being put out purposefully, I believe, uh, to kind of
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  Speaker 8: give the divine feminine a bad name, a bad look,
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  Speaker 8: and a lot of other things that come with it.
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  Speaker 8: And you know, besides finding it in these ancient texts
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  Speaker 8: and uh, you know some of these ancient mysteries, these
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  Speaker 8: you know, certain these certain kind of archetypes that that
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  Speaker 8: you see throughout time. You know, you you're able to
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  Speaker 8: witness it in your own life, like I look at
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  Speaker 8: my wife, I look at my daughter, I look around
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  Speaker 8: me at nature, and you can feel that feminine presence
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  Speaker 8: there with you. So I think it's important that everyone
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  Speaker 8: notices that and they respect it. But yeah, you can
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  Speaker 8: find me over at Twitter, on Twitter x whatever, at
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  Speaker 8: gray Pill.
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  Speaker 7: Three D's because my old account got hacked.
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  Speaker 8: And then uh, you know, YouTube rumble, Patreon over there,
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  Speaker 8: go support the show there.
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  Speaker 1: We do a lot of things on Patreons.
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  Speaker 7: Again, thank you for having me. Nick's good to see
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  Speaker 7: all you guys.
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  Speaker 2: No, thank you, I appreciate you making it us. And again,
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  Speaker 2: last but not least, we got the platonic priestess herself
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  Speaker 2: got arrows. What is going on? How about you?
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  Speaker 9: Good to be here with you guys. Yeah, thanks for
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  Speaker 9: inviting me. I'm so excited to hear like everybody's opinions
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  Speaker 9: on this topic because it's like quite complicated. I think,
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  Speaker 9: like there's so much to it, so really excited. You
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  Speaker 9: can find me on YouTube at arrows up or on
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  Speaker 9: x at arrows to eat those and then I also
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  Speaker 9: have a sub.
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  Speaker 2: Stack now awesome, good for you, and thank you very
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  Speaker 2: much for making it arrow. So I was really hoping
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  Speaker 2: I could get all of you women on for this
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  Speaker 2: topic obviously, so I look forward to all of your input.
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  Speaker 2: You know, one thing I did want to add, and
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  Speaker 2: I I think you're like you kind of just really
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  Speaker 2: said it right there, erros. When it comes to the
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  Speaker 2: divine feminine, I think like that fits to so many things.
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  Speaker 2: It could be archetypes. You see it in art, you
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  Speaker 2: see it in pop culture, you see it in taro,
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  Speaker 2: you see it in emblems. It can represent so many
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  Speaker 2: different things. You know, it could be a it could
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  Speaker 2: be a symbol for a whole idea of something. And
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  Speaker 2: I even do think it's in some ways it's even
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  Speaker 2: used to show physiology. But I definitely think it is
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  Speaker 2: something like kind of like you know, if you were
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  Speaker 2: to sit here and be like, oh, that's satanic. It's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: which part Like I It's so it's such a huge
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  Speaker 2: topic that, yeah, maybe there is a negative aspect of it,
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  Speaker 2: but there's a negative aspect of everything if you push
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  Speaker 2: it too far. But uh, I do think it's a
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  Speaker 2: very detailed thing to try to sum up right away,
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  Speaker 2: you know, to say it is it is a negative
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  Speaker 2: thing when I mean you could probably spend years really
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  Speaker 2: studying it and still don't have an idea of what
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  Speaker 2: the fuck it really fully is. But hopefully it's an
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  Speaker 2: we will get into some of those ideas and some
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  Speaker 2: of our experiences with it or just stuff that we've
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  Speaker 2: studied or practiced ourselves. I did want to kind of
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  Speaker 2: go around the group and probably you know, I guess
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  Speaker 2: we'll start with Judith, and I kind of wanted to
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  Speaker 2: get an idea, I guess from everybody, Uh you know,
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  Speaker 2: what is the divine feminine to them? Or how did
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  Speaker 2: they like incorporate that in their practices if they did,
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  Speaker 2: or you know, to that extent, And Judith be perfect
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  Speaker 2: to ask you, since you're a ceremonial magician as well.
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  Speaker 9: Well.
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  Speaker 3: Actually it goes further than that. First, the divine feminine
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  Speaker 3: to me is the female energy. If I would put
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  Speaker 3: a face or a name to it, it would be
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  Speaker 3: Mary Magdalene to me on how she's treated, how she's
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  Speaker 3: been treated through the times. And I grew up Catholic
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  Speaker 3: and she was demonized, which is what we're seeing happen
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  Speaker 3: with the divine feminine and the popularity. She's being demonized.
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  Speaker 3: There's falsehoods going on. I know a lot of people
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  Speaker 3: we were talking earlier, how there are people still shitting
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  Speaker 3: on the whole idea of the divine feminine. But if
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  Speaker 3: you look at what they did to Mary Magdalene, there
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  Speaker 3: are some people out there who consider them Christians who
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  Speaker 3: don't realize that even the Catholic Church admitted prior to
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  Speaker 3: even my birth that what they they lied on her,
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  Speaker 3: called her or said she was possessed by seven demons,
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  Speaker 3: which was not true. And the Catholic Church came out
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  Speaker 3: and they admitted that. And now the truth is coming
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  Speaker 3: out about her and there's a revery. And so to me,
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  Speaker 3: she is a divine feminine only because she's an architect
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  Speaker 3: for the divine feminine, because she holds the secrets. You
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  Speaker 3: are if you follow Jesus, if you consider yourself a follower.
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  Speaker 3: She holds the secrets. According to the Gospel of Mary,
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  Speaker 3: he told her the secrets that we needed to be
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  Speaker 3: conveyed and to avoid that and which is what I
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  Speaker 3: see happening with that energy to shut her up. Basically,
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  Speaker 3: even after she was gone, they said lies, so no
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  Speaker 3: one wanted to be her. And I take it personally
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  Speaker 3: only because yes she is, she is a saint of
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  Speaker 3: the Catholic faith, but there's a falsehood that was said
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  Speaker 3: about her and what the secrets that she had to
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  Speaker 3: share with the world was squashed due to these lies.
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  Speaker 3: And the finding of the Gospel of Mary is where
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  Speaker 3: this is coming to fruition. It's always been on, even
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  Speaker 3: throughout the ages, that women were suppressed when it comes
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  Speaker 3: to divinity and everything else, and the divine feminine is
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  Speaker 3: the opposite of that. She shows that a woman could
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  Speaker 3: stand equally with the male, the mess, the masculine energy.
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  Speaker 3: There's an there is aspects there that needs to be shared,
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  Speaker 3: and that's where I find the divine feminine. She holds
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  Speaker 3: a secret. She's the saying behind every good man is
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  Speaker 3: a is a better woman or something to that effect.
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  Speaker 3: And that's how I go about it. I was wicking
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  Speaker 3: and we did a lot of goddess worship, and there's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of reverence in the feminine energy, and that's
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  Speaker 3: where it goes for me.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much. I appreciate that you that was great. Uh, Jen,
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  Speaker 2: what how do I sound?
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  Speaker 1: Yes, you sound great? You sound great now A right?
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  Speaker 2: Good? Thank you, appreciate that.
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  Speaker 1: You're welcome. Well, I'm going to riff off Judith because
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  Speaker 1: I think Mary Magdalene when I when we did the
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  Speaker 1: a On of the Daughter spaces, I said that she
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  Speaker 1: is the aon of the daughter, like she has one archetype,
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  Speaker 1: one manifestation of the aon, and she is a daughter,
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  Speaker 1: She's not a mother. And I think this is a
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  Speaker 1: very important like because I'm an actualist, so well maybe
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  Speaker 1: I'll start there. So I'm an axuoist, so I believe
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  Speaker 1: that like the cycles come like yadhey, bob hey, it's
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  Speaker 1: the father, the mother, the son, and the daughter and
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  Speaker 1: then also the fifth the secret one, the dragon. That
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  Speaker 1: this can be, you know, configured in different ways, but
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  Speaker 1: this is the general sort of formulation. I think of
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  Speaker 1: aonic thinking that transcends like the Typhonian Oto, the you
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  Speaker 1: know oto and all in chaos magic. I mean this
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  Speaker 1: is the this is kind of the this is the wheel,
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  Speaker 1: we'll say. So I think maybe Mary Magdalen, she holds
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  Speaker 1: the crystal vial. What is in the crystal vial. You
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  Speaker 1: can say it's the alchemical wedding. You can say it's
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  Speaker 1: the panacea for all infirmities of men, and can say
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  Speaker 1: it is the truth. That's one way to understand it.
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  Speaker 1: You can say it's the alchemical do like what you
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  Speaker 1: would collect off of ladies mantle on a Friday, like
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  Speaker 1: on a venus rising on a sunrise, you go collect
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  Speaker 1: the dew fresh morning do from the ladies mantle plant
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  Speaker 1: alchemy ammolia, and you use that for all your alchemy.
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  Speaker 1: And of course you can't mention Mary Magdalen without discussing
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  Speaker 1: the bad Marie. So this obviously did not come from
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  Speaker 1: Mary Magdalene, but it comes from Mary of Egypt. As
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  Speaker 1: Judith said, Mary Magdalen was conflated with various other desert mothers.
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  Speaker 1: So a lot of people know about the Desert Fathers.
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  Speaker 1: There's obviously been a huge resurgence in online orthodoxy, so
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  Speaker 1: they'll often talk about Desert Fathers. But in the Catholic
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  Speaker 1: Church there was actually a movement of desert mothers. So
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  Speaker 1: people who would leave society and sort of enter into
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  Speaker 1: this kind of pseudo monastic, very esoteric. This is a
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  Speaker 1: very esoteric kind of Christianity. This is not for the
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  Speaker 1: norm boids. And I also think that Mary Magdalen corresponds
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  Speaker 1: very very well. People can absolutely dispute this, but for me,
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  Speaker 1: the kabbala and the sort of archetypal aonic concept makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: She corresponds very well to the Nuria. So the Muria
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  Speaker 1: is the daughter of Noah. Sometimes sometimes she can be
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  Speaker 1: a third daughter of Adam and Eve. There are different
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  Speaker 1: configurations in the heterodox sort of Gnostic canon, but Nuria
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  Speaker 1: is said to burn down the arc. This is kind
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  Speaker 1: of her story is that this angel called Elalth appears
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  Speaker 1: before her. He is not one of the archangels, and
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  Speaker 1: in fact he suggests that the archangels, interestingly, as David
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  Speaker 1: Rankins sort of alluded to, the archangels can function very
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  Speaker 1: much as arkans, and sometimes they are treated as that
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  Speaker 1: in Gnostic literature. So this angel before her and says, listen,
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  Speaker 1: the Arkons they tell you lies. But everything that they
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  Speaker 1: say is a lie. But it's not real. It's only
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  Speaker 1: in your mind. So to weigh the break, the way
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  Speaker 1: to break the spell of the arkans, to burn it
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  Speaker 1: all down. So this is exactly what she does. She
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  Speaker 1: takes a bow and arrow, she lights the arrow on fire,
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  Speaker 1: and she sets you know as arc on fire, because
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  Speaker 1: it is said that she finds it in deficiency. Obviously
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  Speaker 1: this is a metaphor, but it's an interesting metaphor because
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  Speaker 1: it represents a kind of destruction by fire. So a
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  Speaker 1: lot of kabbala, especially the Ramic style, like the Hasstic Kabbala,
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  Speaker 1: is very obsessed, not obsessed, but it's it's fixated on
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  Speaker 1: the idea of destruction by water, whereas a lot of Islam,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of Sufism and a lot of more
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  Speaker 1: esoteric ideas are focused on the destruction by fire. But
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  Speaker 1: I think this is an interesting idea in Christianity because
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  Speaker 1: it becomes a complementary rather than an opposite raditional polarity.
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  Speaker 1: It is the daughter of Fire, meaning the daughter of
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  Speaker 1: Debrah with the Son of Mercy. So Christ would be
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  Speaker 1: coming from Hesed and she would be coming from Deborah,
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  Speaker 1: and they of course meet together in tiferate in the
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  Speaker 1: chemical marriage. So I find this to be a very
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  Speaker 1: profound concept. I think other people do too. I don't
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  Speaker 1: prefer preference the divine feminine figure, but I have a
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  Speaker 1: very strong Dakini practice in contra Buddhism, and I always
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  Speaker 1: have and it's always been my strongest practice. Now I
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  Speaker 1: have changed, and this has always surprised people that I
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  Speaker 1: actually practice a masculine deuty like the last couple of years.
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  Speaker 1: But I have always continued to practice the dakinis because
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: I find them to be very accessible to me. Not
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: everybody finds them as accessible. Some people have to cultivate it.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: We would just consider that to be a byproduct of karma.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Certain people have more predisposition to certainty and certain practices.
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: So I would say that my relationship fundamentally is very
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: close with the divine feminine, and I also try and
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: cultivate that energy and integrate it in my own practice.
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: So I hope that gives people like a little intro,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: maybe not that little, but some introduction of where I'm going.
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: Thanks sang Oh, thank you, Jen.
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that. MAGGIEZ. I know you're ready from the beginning,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: so I'll let you go.
• 19:29
  Speaker 6: Yeah that's good, I mean, yeah, of course, these things
• 19:33
  Speaker 6: are deeply ingrained into our very nature and being, and
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: so interesting enough, like what both Jin and Judith have
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: brought up are very important aspects of this principle called
• 19:45
  Speaker 6: the divine feminine. So obvious of course we have two
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: different dual principles within all of us, and fascinating enough,
• 19:52
  Speaker 6: through time these I think it's really important to need
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: to define what these things even mean, because the divine
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: femin as a term technically, not that it was created
• 20:05
  Speaker 6: by h. PL Bovotsky in the Theosophical Society, but then
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: through time now it's been kind of corrupted even further
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: from her own readings and hijacked by certain institutions, and
• 20:16
  Speaker 6: I think the spiritual tradition is one of them. Interesting enough,
• 20:20
  Speaker 6: where all of a sudden you get a complete inversion
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: of this exact thing that we're misrepresenting from like a
• 20:27
  Speaker 6: natural force of energy, the feminine principle, And then you know,
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: it's like it's all of a sudden it gets to
• 20:33
  Speaker 6: be strange, and now we're talking about women as such
• 20:35
  Speaker 6: when both men and women inherently have this internal principle technically, right,
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: the sacred marriage is the balancing of the masculine and
• 20:45
  Speaker 6: the feminine. And I think these things are really important
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: that when we go through our understanding of reality and
• 20:50
  Speaker 6: what these forces of nature are doing upon us, the
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: yin and the yong of the dualistic system, which is
• 20:57
  Speaker 6: technically not dualistic at all, we get caught up in
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: either one or the other and not trying to balance
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: them out within ourselves. Then I think we get into
• 21:06
  Speaker 6: a hogwash of conversation and forgetting that we're all moving
• 21:09
  Speaker 6: towards the single principle of the sacred marriage in trying
• 21:14
  Speaker 6: to balance these things out through our life. So that's
• 21:16
  Speaker 6: something I think about a lot. And I think about
• 21:18
  Speaker 6: this because of I lived in Boulder, Colorado for a
• 21:20
  Speaker 6: long time. I hopped around the hippie scene in that
• 21:23
  Speaker 6: my early twenties. I've seen this term be used and
• 21:26
  Speaker 6: abused by the exact people who were trying to think
• 21:29
  Speaker 6: that they're helping it. And I think everyone on this
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: panel has a beautiful I think they're going to have.
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: What I've heard is amazing, and I completely agree, because
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: then this principle gets inverted through time, and what we
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: forget about the divine feminine is one of its manifestations
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: is through the mystery school, so that it only makes
• 21:49
  Speaker 6: complete sense that the exact same thing that exoteric Abrahamic
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: traditions have troubles with is the exact same thing that
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: got put underground by the inquisition, by every inquisition of
• 21:59
  Speaker 6: people trying to others. And so I think that's just
• 22:02
  Speaker 6: these are a lot of different aspects of a massive
• 22:05
  Speaker 6: topic of trying to balance out humans in the world.
• 22:09
  Speaker 6: As we understand that we're going to as tribal individuals,
• 22:13
  Speaker 6: we're going to we're going to basically other things that
• 22:20
  Speaker 6: we don't understand within ourselves, and all of a sudden,
• 22:23
  Speaker 6: now look at what it's like through cycles of time,
• 22:25
  Speaker 6: as as we've been speaking about already, that we go
• 22:29
  Speaker 6: through crazy things, and we forget that one of the
• 22:32
  Speaker 6: oldest myths of the feminine is that of Anana entering
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: into the underworld and to confront ourselves with Rishkakal, right,
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: her sister, because Inana is the higher feminine principle, Rishkukal
• 22:43
  Speaker 6: is the lower feminine principle, and to go through the
• 22:46
  Speaker 6: seven gates as she sheds away to become the great
• 22:49
  Speaker 6: mystery herself, which is this topic that we're talking about
• 22:54
  Speaker 6: right now. And so that may sound smattering to some
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: and others, I don't you know, I don't know how
• 22:58
  Speaker 6: that comes off all the time, but I think it's
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: a really important thing that I've seen because language is
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: so important that we define our terms, like what is
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: the divine finomen principle? And can we all agree upon
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: certain frameworks when we talk about it. So that's how
• 23:12
  Speaker 6: I think that's an insull like I don't.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: Know, thank you, I appreciate it. You made me think
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: of something that I was gonna mention earlier Judith had
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: made me think of a few things, but you reminded
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: me it again. I just want to get it out
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: of Yeah, even when it comes to the divine feminine,
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: sometimes I look at that as like that's kind of
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: like the outcome of the female's hero's journey. Like you're
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: even talking about how you see an honor go down
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: to the other, Like she's got her own her own journey,
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: just like a male within their own story that she's
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: got to go through that changes, you know, then this
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: alchemy among in that change. Do you think you know,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: eventually you get to the divine feminine?
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: But I love that and the idea then think about
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: the odyssey is the masculine adventure of the Iliad, which
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: is Homer's epic, moving through this mythological understanding of what
• 24:09
  Speaker 6: of trying of the golden apple of Callisti, of Aros,
• 24:12
  Speaker 6: you know what I mean, of eras herself, and then
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: all of a sudden you get the Great Trojan War,
• 24:18
  Speaker 6: because who is the fairest of them all? So it's
• 24:20
  Speaker 6: so important that we are continually into weaving masculine and
• 24:23
  Speaker 6: feminine stories, you know, And that's the I think that's
• 24:26
  Speaker 6: beautiful because then the Odyssey is the masculine entering into
• 24:29
  Speaker 6: the feminine and then goes back to some people out
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: there who are trying to smear these things which are
• 24:33
  Speaker 6: fundamental materialists, sheeps and wolves, clothing, because we know that
• 24:38
  Speaker 6: they all practice one way or the other. And it's
• 24:40
  Speaker 6: like you can't get away from the mystical. The divine
• 24:43
  Speaker 6: feminine is so important for all of us, and it's
• 24:45
  Speaker 6: all our birthrights, I think, and I think that's why
• 24:47
  Speaker 6: it's so important.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: No, not to keep going on show up. Eventually, Ethan,
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: I'll let you go, but sorry, no, you just stuff
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: that you were saying. I think it's just huge. Just
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: it's my opinion, you know. I think there's a lot
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: of blinds or just a lot of things that are
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: covered up when it comes to magic of the occult,
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: so you may not fully understandard or take it, you know,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: or get a full grasp with a whole picture. Something's missing,
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And in my opinion, I think you know, you need
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: the male and feminine. It's a story that includes both
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: of them, yes, and her being left out is the
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: whole part of the blind Yes, maybe next generation will
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: be the male that gets left out, But you know
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: what I'm saying, I just think it's this go around
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: for some reason, it was her that got shipp on,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, and is left out of
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: the equation that I think she needs to be a
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: part of. I think it is an unlike like if
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: you were to take the DNA and un male and
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: female on one side and you are like to untie
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: it or tie it back together. That's the story you're getting.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: I think kind of in a sense you need both,
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: you know. So thank you for mentioning that stuff. And
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: just one other thing too that I did want to
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: mention it. I think it's almost considered almost like accepted
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: as fact now that if you go and look up,
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: I forgot the pope's name. But I find this very interesting.
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: It was Omily thirty three, and if you take Mary
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: Magdalene mm and turn that sideways to get three to
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: three again, But it was Omily thirty three that he
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: fucked up and considered Mary Magdalene, you know, or whatever
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: a whore because he was talking about another woman prior.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: But like, it's considered almost fact now that that he
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: screwed that up, and that's not her that he's talking about.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: It's another woman that he was talking about prior to
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: her in a story. So like, I find it interesting
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: how it's like still going with that. But yet, I mean,
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: most historians and religious people acknowledge the fact that that's
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: a fuck up, but yeah, we're still gonna run with it. No,
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: go ahead.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: He was talking about Mary of Egypt, so you're you're
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: totally right on that. It's a different saint, it's a
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: different desert mother. So Mary of Egypt was a former prostitute,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: but her if you read her hagiography, she's not even
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: a prostitute. She's like she's kind of like a Bonnie
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Blue I guess, like she just really enjoys crazy encounters.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: And so her story is that she goes and has
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: relationships with like one hundred Roman soldiers on this river
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: barge in Egypt, and then she walks away from the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: experience and she has some kind of divine revelation. She
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: takes off all her clothes and she lets her hair
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: grow out, which is like a it's abnegation, it's like
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: against vanities, and so some saints will practice this if
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: they've transgressed and done a lot of sins. So she
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: walks out to the desert and eventually her hair grows
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: so long that she makes it into a hair shirt
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: or hairdress. So that's in her iconography, that's how she's
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: always depicted. So it is an actual saint that they're
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: talking about. And I think that the conflation was actually
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: like deliberate, and I think a lot of people in
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the church ran with it intentionally. And it's also interesting
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: because if you go to southern France, you will see
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: Mary Magdalen with the mm like Nick was talking about.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: They will sometimes will have the glyph of Virgo or
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: sometimes will have the glyph of Aquarius pinned or embroidered
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: on Mary Magdalen's stress. So there's definitely an astro theological
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: story to this whole thing. As well. Sorry, nick, I
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: didn't even no, thank you.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: That's great, that's awesome, all right, Ethan, my man, go
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: for it.
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: This is such a great build.
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: And just to build on what everyone's been saying, there's
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: an expression that I haven't been able to track down
• 28:43
  Speaker 5: its origination, but culture runs downstream of government. Government runs
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: downstream of religion. And just to point out that the
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: elimination of the consideration of the feminine, let alone the
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: divinity of and has been prohibited for thousands of years,
• 29:05
  Speaker 5: beginning with the Asherah polarity, which if you look at
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: it in contrast with Yahweh polarity, we see that a
• 29:15
  Speaker 5: whole consideration of idea is left unconsidered.
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I think.
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: For me it's important to consider the universal and the
• 29:29
  Speaker 5: personal divine feminine in a sense that there's kind of
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: the in the four worlds of the Kabbalah, right, there's
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: the most subtle, that is the most effective, and from
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: where the material and so on and so forth originate.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: And there's this aspect of the feminine right that is
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: super in touch with the etherol and the divine more
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: more than the masculine. And there's also then also the
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: personal operative the healing and motherly and nursing and so
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: on and so forth. For me, the yin yang does
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: depict this hermetic union.
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: The Brandon touched on that kind of causes Uh stimulates,
• 30:22
  Speaker 5: if you will, so much ascension minded or parallel ideas
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: in accepting what Young really proposed, this anima and animus,
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: the feminine within the masculine, and the masculine within the feminine,
• 30:43
  Speaker 5: and balancing these two and addressing, you know, any cliques
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: or or schisms within the acceptance of these kind of
• 30:57
  Speaker 5: natures I think is a big part of developing oneself.
• 31:02
  Speaker 5: So I think we can see that it's been kind
• 31:07
  Speaker 5: of eliminated and prohibited not only in the Western world.
• 31:12
  Speaker 5: But one of the archetypes that I love is the
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: Tara or the Green Tara specifically, and she is a
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: meditative practitioner and is told by her peers that are
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: all men that you know, essentially, wow, you're you're really
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: good at meditation. Too bad you weren't a man, for
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: you might be able to ascend in this lifetime. And
• 31:39
  Speaker 5: she continues to do what she does, and you know,
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: becomes this ascended being and person them all wrongs as
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: one of the iterations of the story goes, So I
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: think of Green Tara as a great kind of embodiment
• 31:56
  Speaker 5: of that energy.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: But that's that's all say.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Thank you very much about it. I really appreciate that, KaiA.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a great lead up. So for me,
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: I see the divine feminine more as like a force,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: like the dark potential of all that is. So when
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: I think of masculine divine masculine, I think of the
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: single pointed focus, the effort, the light. And when I
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: think of the divine feminine, I think of it more
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: as like the dark potential of all that is, which
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: is why perhaps it is looked look down upon, because
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: people are afraid. And this is why I think for
• 32:33
  Speaker 4: me personally, the divine feminine is a subtle force.
• 32:36
  Speaker 10: That moves moves all things.
• 32:39
  Speaker 6: Right.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: It's like women naturally have the ability to tap into
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: the divine feminine for the fact that they are most
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: like the divine feminine, but they are female. Female and
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: feminine are two different things. One's a sex gender, one
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: is a you know, it's a it's a nature, right,
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: So when we think of the nature of the divine feminine,
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: we think that both male and female have that nature,
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: but women are more able to tap into it because
• 33:02
  Speaker 4: we have more likeness, just like water is more like
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: Earth than it is fire, right, So there's similarities in
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: why women have the ability to tap into that subtle
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: force of energy and use it and channel it more
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: consciously because it's naturally in our own element.
• 33:20
  Speaker 10: But that doesn't mean that men don't have.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: And I think that's what's the problem that we have
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: in our world right now is I do find that
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: women are also very masculine, right, and they have not
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: embraced their divine feminine for the fact that we do
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: live in a very single pointed masculine created world. And
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying that's bad. I think masculine feminine energy,
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: when in balance, are super essential because the warrior needs
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: the goddess the you know, and the goddess needs the warrior,
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: so it's they're both needed. But I definitely think separating
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: the idea kind of what Brandon said too, like that
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: idea that feminists take the divine feminine and make it
• 33:57
  Speaker 4: their own right, but then they don't appreciate the divine masculine.
• 34:01
  Speaker 4: And so the question for me is, then, so if
• 34:03
  Speaker 4: we can appreciate the divine feminine, you know, because I
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: actually didn't know that Christians don't like the divine feminine.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: I actually I'm pretty removed from that, so I didn't
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: even know that was a thing that was happening. I've
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: actually only seen the opposite, which is like the New
• 34:17
  Speaker 4: agey only embracing the divine feminine and really pumping that up.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Which I think there's a balance, right, because if you
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: pump it up too much, that you're not appreciating the
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: masculine energy. And I think we all have both forces
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: inside of us, and so it's super essential to not
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: deny a part of yourself. And so yeah, I think
• 34:36
  Speaker 4: the divine feminine at its core is tiamat right. It
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: is the dark potential of all that is. It is
• 34:44
  Speaker 4: the universe, and the masculine force is the light that
• 34:47
  Speaker 4: makes things appear. And yeah, the darkness of all that
• 34:51
  Speaker 4: is is scary, right, It's like, how do you when
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: you reach into that abyss, what are you going to
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: pull out? And do you have the ability to hold
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: it and contain it? Women maybe have more of ability
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: to do that, And that's why the divine feminine is
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: more familiar and there's more, you know, seers and psychics
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: that tend to be women.
• 35:11
  Speaker 10: But yeah, that's kind of what I've contemplated and thought
• 35:15
  Speaker 10: about in my own mind.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: So thank you.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: That was great, Thank you very much. I appreciate that errors.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: With you.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: Errows.
• 35:26
  Speaker 9: All right, I'm going to try to be ambitious here.
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: When I think of the divine feminine, I always, like,
• 35:36
  Speaker 9: I guess, compare it to its counterpart, right, So I
• 35:41
  Speaker 9: think of the sun and the moon, and how yeah,
• 35:46
  Speaker 9: like Kaiva said, the sun, the masculine is that structuring light, right,
• 35:52
  Speaker 9: and it reflects off of the moon and comes into form.
• 35:58
  Speaker 9: And so then with like solar and lunar work, you
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: have because the feminine to me is like matter of
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: the soul and of karma and the subconscious, whereas the
• 36:15
  Speaker 9: masculine is like the ego and the spirit. And so
• 36:22
  Speaker 9: I think much like the sun reflecting off of the moon.
• 36:27
  Speaker 9: I think it was Plutarch that said that that the
• 36:30
  Speaker 9: sun reflects off of the moon and then brings things
• 36:33
  Speaker 9: into form. But just like that, you have the subconscious.
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: And basically, you know, the more that you get to
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: know your subconscious, the more that you would build that
• 36:48
  Speaker 9: up into your conscious ego. Right, So you're that's a
• 36:53
  Speaker 9: similar thing where you have the the ego, the the
• 36:58
  Speaker 9: your sun reflects your shat, your moon, your soul, your
• 37:04
  Speaker 9: subconscious patterns, and the feminine is very intuitive and stuff
• 37:12
  Speaker 9: like that. That's why I would say they're more the oracles,
• 37:16
  Speaker 9: They're more the you know, prophetic visionaries because of the
• 37:23
  Speaker 9: matters of the unconscious and of the soul, where I
• 37:27
  Speaker 9: think all of those patterns are stored. You know, all
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: of the patterns of like how things feel when the
• 37:36
  Speaker 9: planets are in certain configurations and when the moon is
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: in different phases and stuff like that, tapping into that
• 37:45
  Speaker 9: energy or even just seasons. Because the divine feminine, you know,
• 37:53
  Speaker 9: we can't neglect gaya here. I think that's a huge
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: part of the divine feminine is you know, b steel
• 38:01
  Speaker 9: nature to a sense, because that is the substrate of
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: which sense and all animal forms and all things of
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: sense are born.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Is this.
• 38:15
  Speaker 9: You know, physical substrate that does lead to some be
• 38:21
  Speaker 9: steel things. But you also have the moon which is
• 38:25
  Speaker 9: the regulator of that, right, and so you have hormonal cycles,
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: and you have tides and stuff like that. And I
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: guess the last thing I'll mention, well, okay, I have
• 38:38
  Speaker 9: two more things. And so with the moon also you
• 38:42
  Speaker 9: have memory, right, so cancer is the historian. The feminine
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: holds onto memory and doto karma those belong to the moon.
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: So that's another important divine feminine thing. And then the
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: last would be like meaning making. Women are very relational,
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: and you know everything is relational. Everything that exists is
• 39:14
  Speaker 9: relational because you have differences in potential. You know, for
• 39:19
  Speaker 9: anything to have meaning, you have the two things and
• 39:23
  Speaker 9: how they're related to each other. And so they also
• 39:27
  Speaker 9: kind of rule over meaning, which is a big part
• 39:30
  Speaker 9: of isis right. She takes the the fragments of Osiris
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: and she makes them into a new thing. And as
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: you know, the universe kind of fragments and we get
• 39:44
  Speaker 9: new things and it's expanding.
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 39:48
  Speaker 9: It's the feminine that kind of lives in that liminal
• 39:52
  Speaker 9: space where the new pieces we find meaning for it.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I like that. That made me think about it wings
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: for some reason, the symbolism of a wings, a bunch
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: of feathers coming together to become part of one thing. Uh,
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: thank you, jewels. What is up? It's going on? Mut it? Sir?
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: Yeah, of course, I go yeah, man to what everyone
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: just said.
• 40:22
  Speaker 8: I think everyone's spot on, especially with the moon because
• 40:25
  Speaker 8: in northern mythologies, you know, you have the moon god
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: Mani or Manny who manages basically the moon. But then
• 40:34
  Speaker 8: the energy, the personification of Night is not right or
• 40:40
  Speaker 8: knew it. So this is the energy just like the
• 40:43
  Speaker 8: sun goddess Suna or soul.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 40:45
  Speaker 8: You know, balder is that personification of their energy. So
• 40:49
  Speaker 8: it's like you have you have to have if you're
• 40:52
  Speaker 8: gonna have the mask, and then you have to have
• 40:53
  Speaker 8: the feminine. If not, it's out of natural order. And
• 40:57
  Speaker 8: I don't believe it's it's of what what someone would
• 40:59
  Speaker 8: call God or you know, you know we we we
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: come from a woman. We live on a planet that
• 41:07
  Speaker 8: is feminine in our job. And this is another archetype
• 41:11
  Speaker 8: that has been hijacked. Besides the divine feminine is the
• 41:14
  Speaker 8: green man archetype being the masculine form of nature right
• 41:18
  Speaker 8: and and uh spreading the seed throughout nature to make
• 41:22
  Speaker 8: it blossom in bloom, and you know this does go
• 41:26
  Speaker 8: all the way back in isis being the mother of
• 41:29
  Speaker 8: the mysteries.
• 41:30
  Speaker 7: And you know there's some myths that she buried o
• 41:33
  Speaker 7: Cyrus in an oak tree.
• 41:35
  Speaker 8: So God in the morning with lore there, but uh,
• 41:38
  Speaker 8: you know it goes and I'll speak on some northern mythology,
• 41:42
  Speaker 8: you know, Uh, I think Kaiva was talking about there
• 41:45
  Speaker 8: is that dark aspect to it that people like to demonize.
• 41:47
  Speaker 8: You know, you have you have the Morgan and Hella
• 41:52
  Speaker 8: and a lot of other goddesses that that embody this.
• 41:56
  Speaker 7: But then you also have the opposite, right for you
• 42:00
  Speaker 7: have the Valkyries.
• 42:01
  Speaker 8: You have even in the sagas, Brunehild is this embodiment
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: of the divine feminine manifested to man. Right, she's there,
• 42:10
  Speaker 8: so you know, like the King's line can go on
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: from and this is all from certain sagas.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: So, but I'll come back to saying that, you know,
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: this is something that I think is important that most
• 42:22
  Speaker 8: people understand is necessary. This is something that you can't
• 42:27
  Speaker 8: just right off. You can't just go, oh, I don't
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: want to mess with the divine feminine, so I'm going to.
• 42:33
  Speaker 7: Push it over there. It's kind of like the lower
• 42:35
  Speaker 7: and higher self as well. People want to kind of.
• 42:40
  Speaker 6: Try to cut their.
• 42:41
  Speaker 8: Lower nature off, and it's like, bro, it's always going
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: to be there. You have to learn how to you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 8: walk with it and and how to have a balance, right,
• 42:50
  Speaker 8: and that's all that that's what it's all about, is
• 42:52
  Speaker 8: a balance. So yeah, man, I think there's a lot
• 42:57
  Speaker 8: of misconceptions nowadays concerning feminine archetypes and the roles of
• 43:04
  Speaker 8: these goddesses in these stories. Well, the gods and goddesses, right,
• 43:07
  Speaker 8: they're all looked at as these fallen deities, and like, yeah,
• 43:11
  Speaker 8: they all have a fallen nature to them, just like
• 43:13
  Speaker 8: we do. But they also had this divine nature as
• 43:17
  Speaker 8: well that we should strive for that, right, That's that's
• 43:21
  Speaker 8: that's the inspiration right there. But yeah, all the things
• 43:25
  Speaker 8: you guys said are spot on. I can't disagree with
• 43:27
  Speaker 8: any of it.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: That was great, Jules, Thank you. I appreciate that. I mean,
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: I guess for myself, I really don't have all that
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: much to say, like everybody else did. I guess when
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: I look at like a divine, feminine or just the
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: word divine, I automatically think, I guess other worldly or
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: not in the flesh. So I automatically I guess take
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: it to like, you know, the more higher divinity.
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Pretty much to the point too, I guess it'd be
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: dark matter of magnetism, you know, if you really want
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: to get down to, like one his creation really start
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: in the feminine aspect. I would look at it as
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: like probably something along those lines, you know, going that
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: high up I guess in the creation scale, but even
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: like thought forms and stuff starting to put those into form.
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: Sound of music, you know, something even along those lines,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: like when you start taking you know, I guess like
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: if you have I mean, you could ring one note
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: and let it go, and I guess that would be
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: you know, sound of music. But like when you start
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: having the poises in there and the different notes and
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: all that stuff, that is really putting vibration into some
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: sort of structured form. So I would even look at
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: as something like that, even taking like lighter sound and
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: putting it into form. But I appreciate all these different
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: points of views. I think those are all great, and
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: it was actually great to hear all of them from
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: you give me an idea of what did yea guys
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: actually even really think about. So it's pretty cool, you know,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: I was, you know, it was a topic that we
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: seem to be I guess, you know some of us
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: are brought back up and I think it is quite obvious. Uh,
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: you know, the divine feminine or even I guess the
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: idea if some sort of idea like that can be
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: looked at as a very negative reason. I do understand that.
• 45:26
  Speaker 2: You know we had mentioned earlier, you could take the
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: Morgan or you know, other people, colleague, you know, they
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: could be looked at as you know, not that positive.
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: But I mean, I guess maybe because of the way
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: I look at it. You know, you know, chaos regardless
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: is going to happen when you change something. Regardless. If
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: there's a change, like if I stop smoking Newports and
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: go to Marlborough, that's chaos. Technically doesn't mean somebody actually
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: got killed. Collie didn't have to kill anybody, but she
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: might have been representative in that decision to make that change.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: Something that silly is that you know so uh you know,
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: my my heart, it's as crazy as this sounds. I
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: think my heart deciding to pump one way and go
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: the other way. It's never doing the same thing at once.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: It's just in constant chaos. Well that chaos I need,
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: or I stop fucking breathing. You know, my my lungs
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: blowing out one way and then deciding to suck in,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: and that continue blowing, which you can't do. That is chaos.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: It is switching up. It might sound a little crazy,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: but I do even think, you know, stuff like that.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: Uh so you do need that. I think in some ways,
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: I actually think our body is in constant chaos. The
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: cells being created and dying at the same time. I mean,
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: just existence, I think is chaos. But uh so, I
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I you know, even in that sense, what I'm trying
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: to get out as I'm babbling is that it doesn't
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: I don't think automatically it is always negative. You know,
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: there's just a way of depicting something changing. But uh
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I guess you know what I also want to you know,
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: was finally get too. I guess the whole demonization thing
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: about it. I understand it's gone on in the past,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: and it seems like maybe with the Satanic panic error now.
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: I also know that it is profitable to come out
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: and say that you're a Christian podcast and nowadays in
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: the conspiracy community, so you may get a lot of
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: people that just want to make clickbait shit and point
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: of demons all day. So it may be a topic
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: that you'll end up covering because somebody else that did it.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: A few weeks ago seemed to get you know, some
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: clicks too, but I just don't understand. Uh yeah, where
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: do you think, Like I guess maybe it's still a
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: carryover from the churches to organize religion, but like where
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: do you think maybe it all went wrong with like
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: the whole demon as demonizing this aspect of occultism that
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, like I think we all have said
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: here that if you are just my theory, if you
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: are have half a fucking clue on what you're doing,
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: you're gonna acknowledge both. So then why is it something
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: that's not in other things?
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: I think it's like hiding the mysteries, you know, like
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: how the mysteries even one underground because I think, you know,
• 48:12
  Speaker 4: like what I said, it's like when you're reaching into
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: the abyss, right, like that's not that's scary, right. And
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: I think so many people like their regime, you know,
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: the regiment day where it's like a B C D E.
• 48:22
  Speaker 10: And I'm just going to do that over and over
• 48:24
  Speaker 10: and over again.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: But to really live in that intuitive flow of life
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: and trust and faith, I think is something that it
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: goes against in a way. And I have nothing against
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Christianity and your church things, but maybe it goes against
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: the Church in that way where it's like, no, you
• 48:39
  Speaker 4: must come to us to receive your divinity or to
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: receive your confidence, or to receive your you know, something
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: along those lines, because I think there.
• 48:48
  Speaker 10: Is something along that where people that tend to be
• 48:51
  Speaker 10: okay with the divine femine.
• 48:52
  Speaker 4: I think are ones that are okay to just flow
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: in life and to have faith and trust and to
• 48:57
  Speaker 4: know that they are doing exactly what they need to
• 48:59
  Speaker 4: do and they don't have to like question everything, as
• 49:02
  Speaker 4: in like you don't have to have everything figured out
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: before you move to point A, if that makes sense.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: I just want to respond really quick to both what
• 49:13
  Speaker 1: Kaiva and Arros said at the beginning, because I thought
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: that was great, But then also what Nick said. I'm
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: not saying I'm the Calli expert on the panel. I
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: definitely would never characterize myself as that, but I do
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: know a lot about contras. So what Nick said was
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent accurate in my opinion about who Calli is.
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: When Colli appears as a daikini, So this is not
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: how people understand her on Twitter, This is not how
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: like normative Indians like but quote unquote Hinduism Hindus, which
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: is not even a real thing, by the way. But
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: when Collie appears as a dakini, meaning she is dancing
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: on the smash ona, dancing on the chronoground, dancing on
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: the corpse of Shiva, her singular meaning is the destruction
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: of time. So every time your heart eats, every time
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: a cell dies, every time Nick burns a little bit
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: of the cigarette, that is Collie. That's the destruction of
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: time right there.
• 50:08
  Speaker 7: So now, sorry, sorry, Jen, sorry, Jan.
• 50:11
  Speaker 8: I was gonna ask, so would Shiva be like considered
• 50:15
  Speaker 8: the same as Saturn and and that kind of respect
• 50:17
  Speaker 8: is time, Like she's trampling on time.
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: So when Shiva is a corpse, So when Shiva is Shava,
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: he is the mind. Okay, he is not awoken. He
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: does not become Mahakala. He does not become greater time
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: unless she steps on him. So the mind. So one
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: way to think of it is the mind. The sleeping
• 50:38
  Speaker 1: mind has to die or be destroyed or move through
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: time before he can awaken, which is also a metaphor
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: for the opaska. So the person performing the mantra for Collie,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: they also are by rabba or they also are mahakala
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: in one way of thinking, which is shiva, but it's
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: not really shiva. Shiva really is just the mind. It's
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the perceiving mind of all creation. But he can't perceive
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: because he's asleep. So when she steps on him, then
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: he comes into being. And so this is another interesting thing.
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: In Tantra, the feminine force is always considered to be
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: the force of God. It's always a compliment. So in
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: Buddhism we extend this out. Obviously contrac Buddhism to be
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: the breath, the prana paramita, the perfection of wisdom. This
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: also can mean the breath. So when God is breathing
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: and he's in like his meditative states, or take Shiva
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: for example. That's just an example. Yes, he does exist
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: in Buddhism, but it's understood more ontologically. He's not a
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: god like Nick was talking about. It's not like a deity.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: It's not like a deity sitting in heaven. It's a
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: higher force. It's a higher principle. So when he is
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: doing his meditation, every time he is inhaling and exhaling
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: the shakti, his wife takes imminence in the world. Now,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: this is a more Indian contrac thing. This is not
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: necessarily a Buddhist contract way to understand their configuration, but
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: it can be. So it's a really good way to
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: explain to people that Shiva is really God. He's like
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: at ainsfor like, he's way out of our timeline, our existence, continuum,
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: whatever it is. In Tantra, it is the feminine divine
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: force that falls, just like the Gnastic story. It's exactly
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: the same even in Buddhism. The you know, the original
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: Buddha and his consort are in the cave, the cave
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: with turquoise walls and lapis lazuli and the sand made
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: of diamonds, and she looks outside the cave at the
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: flashing light which is the sun, and she falls down
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: because she hears the cries, just like Ethan was talking
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: about with green Tara. You can also say it's green Tara.
• 52:54
  Speaker 1: She hears the cries of humanity, she hears the cries
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: of Samsara, so she she temporarily stops. You could say
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: that they stop breathing. She turns over her left shoulder,
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: looks out the cave, and she falls all the way down,
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: just like the nastic story again like through the plorama.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: So then she has to re arise, so when she
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: falls onto earth, she doesn't remember her name, just like Sophia,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: but she also becomes the birth and grandmother the barbello.
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: This kind of very uh yeah, Tiamot, that's one way
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: to describe it.
• 53:30
  Speaker 7: Very similar to Ninma in the Sumerian stories.
• 53:32
  Speaker 8: Dude, like with Inlil the sky god decided in the
• 53:36
  Speaker 8: ancient flood myth to flood the earth. She wept for
• 53:42
  Speaker 8: humanity and then she she came back as this kind
• 53:46
  Speaker 8: of grandmother figure this you could say krone archetype.
• 53:49
  Speaker 7: Right that lived in the mountains and then she was
• 53:52
  Speaker 7: known as nin her Sag and so no.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: You're right, Jules, Like, look, this is my proposition personally
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: believe that Vadriana Buddhism in particular is the continuation of
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: the story. But instead of looking at it as a
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: cosmology meaning that the deities are real real, it looks
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: at it Buddhism looks at the multiverse as an ontology,
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: meaning that the deities exist at stages of consciousness. So
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: when she is at the ferocious grandmother who has given
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: birth to the blood ocean given birth to the world
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: of Samsara. She is not the same consciousness as when
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: she is depicted as a higher Buddha as when she
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: is Green Tara. Green Tara knows who she is. Green
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: Tara knows her own name, and Green Tara also recognizes
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: her own potential. And this is even part of her
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: how it's explained in even outer very exoteric TNTRA. She
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: is Lambo Dara pregnant. She is pregnant with potential, meaning
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: pregnant to give birth to the waters of the world.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: She can restart, she can and she can also rectify
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: the three worlds. That's how it's understood with her tears
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: or with her you know, pregnant waters, whatever you want
• 55:11
  Speaker 1: to describe it as. So she becomes like an axial
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: figure in particular Tara. And so I think Tara, which
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: just means star, is actually related to Ishtar and Nana,
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: all of them. But it's just understood differently. And really,
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: no Tontric who's hearing this, like contrack Buddhists who's hearing
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: me say this, would really find this crazy, because a
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: lot of Tibetans also believe this, Like they just look
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: at it as an axial story. That the story is
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: always continuing. The more information that we get about the
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: exactly the more information and green is the color of air.
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: Green is also related to Jupiter. Green is also related
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: to you could say the liberation. It's not the liberation
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: from Samsara necessarily, but it's the four elements. Like when
• 56:01
  Speaker 1: I think all of us were on the David Rankin episode,
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: but he was talking about elemental configurations. So air in
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: Tantra is the three in one. It is fire, earth
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: and water all together and through that creates green and air.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: So like the Northern lights, that's a great I think
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: Kayva and I even spoke about this on her episode
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: on Threshold Saints. But it's the you can liken it
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: to the Northern lights. If you've ever seen a picture
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: of the Northern lights, they're green and it expands into
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: the air and it's surrounded by a pink halo. So
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: this is really important in terms of like aonic thinking
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: green and pink. Where we're going what elements are really important?
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: That in terms of green and pink, it's fire and air.
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: So again it's it's there's an inter I believe that
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: there is an inter relationship between what we're calling magic,
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: what we're calling this like prime mordial religion, and also
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: what I would call the coblistic tree. I think it's
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: all interrelated. And I would say Tara is at Hassad.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: And I've said this many times, Jules, it's not I'm
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: not just like saying it for the you know, for
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: you or for you guys or the episode here. I've
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: said it many times. So this is my proposition. People
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: don't have to agree, but for me, it makes a
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: lot of sense. Sorry to me, to go on for that.
• 57:25
  Speaker 7: Long, I'd be great. I completely agree.
• 57:30
  Speaker 8: Yeah, And that's something that people see with with Cali.
• 57:34
  Speaker 8: They only see that depiction of her with her arms
• 57:37
  Speaker 8: and her tongue out, and like, you know, it's it's
• 57:40
  Speaker 8: it's something that sets us again, like what we were
• 57:42
  Speaker 8: talking about earlier, for this misconception of the divine feminine
• 57:46
  Speaker 8: as this evil archetype that they will literally larp with
• 57:50
  Speaker 8: like left wing feminism and all this stuff, and it's
• 57:53
  Speaker 8: just like, dude, it's the total opposite, like energy completely,
• 57:57
  Speaker 8: Like if you experience you know, women, I'm you know,
• 58:01
  Speaker 8: the ladies on this show, women like my wife. If
• 58:03
  Speaker 8: you experience you know, like an IRL interaction with them
• 58:06
  Speaker 8: like you feel it. It it's something, it is something
• 58:09
  Speaker 8: to buy, so nice.
• 58:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I agree, and I think it's really important for
• 58:13
  Speaker 6: assault to understand.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: Two.
• 58:15
  Speaker 6: I have two concepts I want to throw out there.
• 58:17
  Speaker 6: One is something that lightly covered and this other one
• 58:21
  Speaker 6: is we could think about what happened in the inquisition
• 58:24
  Speaker 6: in Rome, right, And I think this is really important
• 58:26
  Speaker 6: to understand timeframes and how these topics come and go
• 58:31
  Speaker 6: through time this mythology. That's why I think it's really
• 58:34
  Speaker 6: important to see it through the mythopoetic lens is because
• 58:37
  Speaker 6: then we can kind of detach it and kind of
• 58:40
  Speaker 6: see it through this nice little story. And so with
• 58:45
  Speaker 6: thenostics and that's why it's so important to think about
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: it through this western esoteric lens as well. Is the
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: piece of Sophia, the idea of Sophia falling. Jin talked
• 58:55
  Speaker 6: about it, but through this lens, then you're seeing Sophia
• 58:57
  Speaker 6: fall into the material world. Why but because she saw
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: her own this not maybe not even her own. There's
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: like a reflection and it was this beautiful thing, and
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: so she fell falling away from what she was an
• 59:11
  Speaker 6: aon and being an aon it's not like we it's
• 59:15
  Speaker 6: not like we normally think about it, right, And so
• 59:17
  Speaker 6: it's the idea is that the aon of Sophia as
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: she falls into matter, and what she was connected to
• 59:24
  Speaker 6: was the logos, the Cristos. The Cristos and Sophia merging
• 59:31
  Speaker 6: create a beautiful world. But without that you get just
• 59:35
  Speaker 6: Sophia fallen. This is pre eve. This is like, this
• 59:40
  Speaker 6: is pre the world coming into being because that in
• 59:43
  Speaker 6: that one we get Jehovah and Yahweh, these different figures
• 59:47
  Speaker 6: and these stories representing how you see concepts and forces
• 59:52
  Speaker 6: through time and then in interoperate that to what happened
• 59:57
  Speaker 6: during the Inquisition and with Rome. And so the mystery
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 6: schools are the underpinning of this entire thing, I think,
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 6: and I think it's really important to understand that the
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 6: mystery school's point is to bring a single individual into
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 6: the thing that needs to balance them out the most
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 6: so they can completely become human, and that is the
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 6: sacred marriage. So how do you control entire civilizations? He
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 6: just says that there's this master slave mentality. And what
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 6: happens if you take these mystery schools and say only
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 6: we are the ones and you cannot have direct gnosis
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 6: of the divine, because the divine is the purpose of
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 6: why we're doing this in the first place. And so
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 6: if we merge the divine realms, the malcouth, the kingdom
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 6: of all the tens suff for us into the malcouth
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 6: of the kingdom that we're in right now, Cather here,
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 6: because they're in each other malcouth is and Catherine cother's
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 6: in malcouth. Merge the cristos with the logos. That's when
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 6: we can have that sacred marriage. That's what the point
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 6: of what we're doing. But if you can get people
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 6: to not want that and understand that we are going
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 6: to have a Hegelian die electrical recreate a schism of
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 6: these two energies that are exactly the thing that radiates, attracts,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 6: and repels. Right, go back to what you're saying, nick
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 6: very important. The electromagnetic spectrum of the human body as
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 6: it radiates into the embodied act and realm electricity, masculine magnetism, feminine,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 6: not male, not female, not gendered. But there are certain
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 6: expressions of how our organs and hormonal structures and systems
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 6: move throughout the world in what you are here embodied in.
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 6: And so if what we're doing is with this aura
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 6: of our experience moving through the world. You and I
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 6: and everyone here on this entire planet are not victims,
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 6: even though we may get burnt to the steak like them.
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 6: But the idea of the christos unification of Sophia, which
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 6: is exactly what they're trying to pull away, the human,
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 6: the superhuman, the ubermensch, right, that's everyone. If you can
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 6: take this one thing and say now you have to fight,
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 6: fight this, and now neither of the divine feminine or
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 6: the divine masculine are in their fullest and now they've fallen,
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 6: and what are we trying to do pick ourselves back
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 6: up again? And I think I think this is a
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 6: really important concept that we move through is because this
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 6: is within our very mythology, the collective unconscious, which stems
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 6: forth into the actualized realms. And so if we ask,
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 6: why are there idiots on the internet who post videos
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 6: about complete fucking nonsense and say things about satanism and
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 6: interpolating it with the defined feminine when the divine masculine
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 6: is also satanized, as in become an adversary towards what
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 6: the egoic agenda of go back to the story of
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 6: what is Sophia create In the pist of Sophia in
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 6: the Creation story, she created her son popping out of
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 6: her comes up sam l Right, you get Jehovah himself
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 6: thinking and seeing no one because his mother was on
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 6: a different realm. She's an aon fallen. And so what
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 6: happens there is that he sees nothing and he says,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 6: you shall have no other God before me. You shall
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 6: worship me, and I shall create you, creating Adam and
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 6: Eve and this plight of existence itself just being here.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 6: And so that's kind of there's this thing going on,
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 6: and I'm just like, let's go. That's like, like, if
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 6: we are going to battle the great Arkhans, which are
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 6: just another stepping stone of our own enlightenment, what tears
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 6: the kin of say we are a planet giving birth right?
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 6: Culture is not your friend. Whatever that is that's pushing
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 6: out there, Feminism, the patriarchal red pill, nonsense, like all
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 6: of these are but mere shadows on a wall. That's
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 6: my That's how it's It's like, that's how I feel, right,
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 6: because it's important. What do you do in taichi? You
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 6: balance the divine masculine divine feminine continually in this energy ball, right.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think fear has a lot to do with
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 10: like why the divine feminine is pushed down.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 4: I think it is so powerful because it is the chaos, right,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: it is the dark abyss of all that is. And
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 4: if anybody wheelds the power of the divine feminine, what
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 4: does that mean?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 10: And also in another sense too.
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 4: When we look at like we look at the past, right,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: like the Golden Age went, Supposedly there was kings who
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 4: were actually connected to like the divine power and actually
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 4: ruled with a conscious and moral existence, you know what
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 4: I mean when we think of like when they were
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 4: taken down by the ones that had no moral compass
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 4: or had no connection or you know, had I don't know.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 4: I think there is something to be said if you
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: look at our world right now, it is ruled by
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 4: psychopaths who like clearly have no connection to divine They
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 4: may say they do, but I guarantee they don't. So
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 4: it makes me wonder if there was a time in
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: the past where these psychopaths actually slaughtered the ones that
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 4: actually were connected to more of that divine feminine power
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: and were able to like pull these sacred amazing buildings
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 4: and just energies and like create a planet that was
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: harmonious and then these you know, the I don't know,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know. It's just like an idea like where
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 4: these these psychopaths there's all of a suddenly killed out
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 4: these people and then got in power, and all of
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 4: a sudden, nobody has the ability to wield this divine
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 4: feminine power because it does have the ability to make things,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 4: create things, and really change the.
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 10: Course of the world. Right, So just kind of a thought.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 10: I don't know what you guys think about that.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 8: They killed off all our poets, they killed off all
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 8: our scribes, the druids, all of the mystery schools, all
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 8: of the you know, the Christian mystery schools. They eliminated
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: all them too, so they could control this narrative. And yeah,
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 8: now you kind of see the product of that.
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to take a little bit of
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: an adversarial position to all of you, and maybe not
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: all of you, but in terms of this framing, because
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: in terms of like Asia and Contra and like Daoism,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: the divine feminine never went away, it never went underground.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: It was never really you know, it wasn't it.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 6: It so okay.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 1: So nick I put in the in the private chat
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: of Collie if you want to bring yeah, thank you, okay, cool.
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: So basically Collie is the is a transgressive figure because
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: she's antinomian to the Brahminical order. That's kind of how
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: TNTRA gets framed in the West. But that's not really
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: what TNTRA even is, and we won't get into that necessarily.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: But she is transgressive against the order. But she's also
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: part of the first order, like she is the aon
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: of the Mother, if you want to call it that.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: She has been a at her most destructive, at her
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: most revelatory as well. So you can see Shiva is
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: praying to her. Shiva is subordinated to her. She is
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: standing on the jackal. The jackal is outside of normative civilization.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: It's a transgressive animal. It's an outcased animal. It eats
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: the dead bodies on the carnal ground. So the mind
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: takes refuge in the destruction of time, because only through
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: apocalypse can there be revelation. Interestingly, she is not the
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: goddess of chaos. I know some people will say that
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: she is, but she is actually not. There's the goddess
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: of chaos is represented by the older grandmother figure. As
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: I mentioned, and as Jules mentioned, I think all other
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: people have said, that's a different name. Names in tantra
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: mean age there is hugely important. So if you say
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Collie is chaos, no, Collie is the co is when
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: all things coalesce into like a black hole almost and
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: then are like sort of caught in the I forgot
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: the event horizon, so they almost can't escape, but they're
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: also moving through the destruction of time. Worshiping Collie means
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: that your karma is going to be very horrible for
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: your lifetime, that's really what it means. But it also
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: means that you move through the karmic densities very quickly.
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: So maybe in one lifetime by doing Cali Tantra, you
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: will move through all of your negative karmas from your
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: past life very very quickly. It's like a higher octave
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: of Saturn or been. However you want to understand.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 7: That, is that a giant like piece of my solium
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 7: in the back. Is that a giant mushroom.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 6: Or it's a ufo, it's a ship.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bell. That's how you can understand. So
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: in temple worship. These are always installed above the shock
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 1: team and usually they have a yontra with sixty four
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: triangles within, like it's like the Dharmadia. It's like the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: what people call the star of Remvam. We were talking
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: about another podcast.
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 7: Which is just a union of the divine, feminine and mask.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 6: You're talking about Star Damity. Yeah, that's yeah, names or names, yeah, right.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: So Collie is but one order. So I think the
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: divine feminine takes on different roles, Like she takes on
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: this transgressive anti Brahminical, anti Vedic, anti sort of normative
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: paronic Hinduism. She takes on this like sorcerer's path, but
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: she's only one goddess, and there are sixty four goddesses
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: just like sixty four angles in the in the yontra.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: So the sort of focus gets placed on the dark goddesses.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: But it's really interesting because in Tantra she is not.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: She is the prime mover, meaning that the destruction of
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: time is what moves time along, but she is not
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: first cause. First cause is actually green Tara. The perception
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: of the world hessetic like looking at yourself in the
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: great Ocean of Samsara, recognizing who you are that that
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 1: true perception that happens. That is what the first cast
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: or that is what the yeah, first cause, that's first
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: cause of how the world becomes from.
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: How is that?
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 6: How is that different than what we were talking about,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 6: Just so people can understand.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: Well, if you're okay, well I don't agree with your
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: kabala number one, Brandon, But that's another totally other issue.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: It's But secondly, it's different because I don't think that
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: the divine feminine went underground in at least in the
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: Asian sort of like the Eastern thought. I think that
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: it when you have a predominance of certain transgressive forms
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: of worship like say Calli or say Durga, which is
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: the more normative Hinduism version. It's blood sacrifice. It is
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: a lot more tribalistic, it's a lot more ethnocentric, and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: it's a lot more oriented to the village and to
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: the region. It is not necessarily made for the world
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty six when we have social media, because
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: people tend to go tribalistic, they tend to believe that
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: they're subgroup is elevated or pressed, which it both just
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: those are just dialectics of the same thing. Whether you
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: take the ethno narcissistic position or the subaltern position.
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 4: So what I'm saying, yeah, I wasn't necessary Oh yeah,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: I wasn't necessarily saying that maybe in the East it disappeared.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 4: I just think it's an interesting concept to think about
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 4: how when you had all these cultures. I mean, I mean,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: let's just talk about Japan though, I mean, they have
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: an emperor who is like the Sun King, you know
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 4: what I mean. So, I mean, if we're gonna talk
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: about divine feminine in like the East, we can't ignore Japan, China,
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 4: all these places that didn't necessarily have a divine feminine
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: that was totally represented, did they?
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 6: I mean the so you're.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: Even in your own example, Kaiva, the Sun goddess is
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: a goddess and she's amored TaRaSu, and that is the
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 1: divine ancestor of the Japanese royal family. So they're claiming
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: matrilineal descent from a goddess, not a god. So it's
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: very different than like the UK and the English sort
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 1: of divine lineage. Right, and then in China you do
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 1: have these like the divine feminine is guan Yin is
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: probably the most important Chinese Mahayana goddess, who is also
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 1: like in Tatara, like they're equivalent figures. They may not
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 1: be exactly the same, but their equivalent. What I'm just
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: saying is that you have different countries running on different
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 1: time scales, different civilizational models, you are in different AONs.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Perhaps just speculably, I would say, just for meet a
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: button real quick, I would say, I do think the
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: demonization is just coming highly from the Abrahamic religions. I mean,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: we could just maybe a'll wrap it up and get
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 2: to that. I think we could all agree on that.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 6: Probably definitely, Yeah, I would say so.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 2: For sure, which is you know, good, yeah, no, because
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: I understand even like what Wa Jim was saying, something
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: that I've even covered in I think it was either
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: in the eclipse or the moon kings. There are some
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 2: beliefs where the moon is male and the sun is female.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: So you know, I could see what you know, I
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: do see what he's getting at too, that even in
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: other belief systems, I mean, the female is kind of
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 2: more just as venerated, if not higher than male. And
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 2: I do think it is just highly though, coming from
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 2: the Abrahamic religions that is seriously shitting on the divine feminine.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 2: One thing I have thought about and this was an
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: idea that I wanted to kick around. And I have
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: to say I do owe this to Danielle Lane. When
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 2: we had her own Brandon recently. She had brought something
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 2: up that I ended up looking into and I'm actually
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: editing it now. It was like a head episode that
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: I did. She sent me down a rabbit hole right
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: after that show. The whole idea of the Virgin Mary.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: You know that actually is not an original idea from Christianity.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 2: And if you look even at her story. When I
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: started looking at her story, Joseph was basically that chicks
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 2: handler because she wanted to go into a situation to
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 2: where you were going to choose not to have sex,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 2: not to get into relationship, and you know, learn religion.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: And he was supposed to be there to make sure
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: all this shit went okay. He actually like, was you
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: know they were put together?
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: Where did you read that? I?
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, I could send you the books and the same.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would love to like, who's who's like interpreting
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 6: the story that way because that's a fascinating interpretation.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 2: And she did. Now this is where I want to go. Though,
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: when you look at all these other cultures, a lot
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: of cultures would, uh, look at the virgin. There were
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: so many other cultures that celebrated the virgin. The reason
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: they were celebrating the virgin is because they knew at
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: some point, your body's just gonna change. You're gonna have sex,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 2: or you're gonna get into a relationship, and your life
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 2: is just going to change. That's going to be a
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: changing point in your life that just happens, and you're
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: not going to be the same person anymore. Mary chose
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 2: not to do that. That's really the only difference that's
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: like the difference in these stories is that's the slight difference.
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: But yet, if you start to even want to go
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 2: back and look at exactly what the word virgin even meant,
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: that does not mean that Mary was not getting laid,
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 2: was gonna keep it real. Just means that she wasn't married,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: had nothing to do with sex. So I think this
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: whole misunderstanding, and I do think that the fact that
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: you have because of my opinion, it is Catholics, but
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: mainly Christians with the satanic panic and the stuff with
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: the divine. I often wonder is it they're a little
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 2: tweak to the original idea of the virgin and the
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 2: celebration of it, and this and that of her choosing
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: to be abstinent. Now like like now it's just like
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: you have to be totally abstinent of sex. You know,
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: you can't be a chick that likes the fuck. You
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: can't show sexualism or you're you're fucked.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 7: Up, right, So it's like over sexualize.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, I feel like they're like it's like, unless
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: you wear a chastity belt as a female figure, you're satanic.
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, yeah, right, I mean, but like, let's
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: be real, she wasn't wearing one either.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: Jerry wasn't wearing a chastity belt either.
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  Speaker 7: Sorry, guys, it's hilarious.
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 6: I think there's another. I mean it goes back to
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 6: the whole thing of like mistaking esoteric symbolism and allegory
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 6: for fact that she was actually a virgin or she
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 6: was a pure and chasted state to have to give
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 6: birth to the Cristos. Right, it's similar thing, Krishna, Like,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 6: there's some many different.
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: She went and studied, and shit, she was like I
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: love that.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 6: I love that, you know, being a high priestess. Some
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 6: say that she was the daughter of David, of the
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 6: Davidic line itself. That's another interpretation of Mary giving birth
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 6: to Christ, you know, and why he would be of
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 6: divine orientation. Fascinating enough.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: But I've also like, as I was covering that, I
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: would just I just feel like when you take the
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 2: women and then add sexuality to it, that is a
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 2: huge part of like the whole fear of men. Like
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 2: I was saying earlier, joking around, I'm just gonna keep
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: it real. There's a lot of men out there that
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 2: are afraid of women that have half a fucking brain
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 2: and aren't going to be your fucking bitch, you know,
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: and some dudes are just afraid of pussy in generals.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: Just keep it real. So it's like you just have
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 2: a thing against Groper's. Is that what they just they
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: just mad? They just made gay men.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Well, you can think of it, Nick in a kabolistic way.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: Is that the church tried to marry the sort of
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: platonic trinity, like the idea of a platonic trinity, and
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: they tried to fit the characters into Yadey bob Hey,
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: skipping the daughter. So they had to make Mary who
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: is both a mother and a daughter, so benam malcouth connection.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: They put that those archetypes into one figure. Now, this
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: is not necessarily incorrect from like a cabalistic perspective, Like
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: it actually makes sense to me why you would do it,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Like there's a logic to it. I'm not saying I
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 1: agree with you. I don't agree with it, but I'm
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: just saying I do understand it. So if you're interested
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: in like the paradox of numbers and your three is
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: sort of like your base form, and then like Aeros
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: will have a lot more to say about this than me,
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: Like I know nothing about this. I can just talk
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: about it from Kabola and from Buddhism like that's it.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: But I'm just saying that I do understand like where
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: they were coming from it. I just think that it
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: creates like a dual, which is that and Kabbala does
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 1: this too. It reinforces the idea of the mother at
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: Bina and the maiden at Malkouth. But I actually, in
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 1: my own experiences with the Sepharra, that is just not
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: the case. I believe that all the Sepharra have both
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: a masculine and a feminine polarity. I don't think it's
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: just the I think, but I think the sepharra are
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: largely a negative space. I think they are more like
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: self combusting stars rather than like how people conceptualize them
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: as more dense, like more planetary. I actually think the planets,
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 1: as I've said many times, are the outer density or
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: the matter the klepap, which is not necessarily bad. And
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: I don't even think that it's a I think what
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: gender we ascribe to the klepa doesn't actually really matter,
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: because I think that the true core is nondual. It's
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: like that diamond thunder. That lightning layer is in the
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 1: fifth density, and that is what matters, which is nondual.
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 1: So it doesn't even really matter like the nature as
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: we ascribe, it's more the archetypes or the kinds of
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: ways we recognize the iconography as we travel through the experience.
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  Speaker 1: That's just my opinion.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 2: Thanks you very much, anyway, else have anything they wanted in?
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  Speaker 3: Well, actually I have a question for chin off of
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: what you just said. So if we look at it
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: as the archetype in that viewpoint, that means the pushback
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: on the divine feminine, and this demonization of it is
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 3: basically it's an archetype that the majority is just unwilling
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: to accept at this point.
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: Then she has to take on the role of the
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 1: adversary in certain aeons, if you want to think of
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: it very axially, like if we are moving in an
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: aonic cycle and there are certain three AONs. This is
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 1: a more gnostic conceptualization. But I like it, and it's
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: very It goes with the Oto stuff that you and
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: I have discussed before Judith a lot and in my opinion,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: so if you say three AONs arise in every yoga
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: or cycle and whenever the wheel turns, which the wheels
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: always turning, but we'll say that it can be demarketed
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: into at least four different quadrants, just like a swastika.
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 1: So the mother will take on the adversarial role in
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 1: certain kinds of whenever the oppositional, whenever the aon is
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: the oppositional to her. So in the aon of the father,
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: the mother is going to take on either a complementary
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: or an adversarial role. And in the eon of the mother,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: the father and the son can both take on both
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: complimentary and adversarial roles like Brandon mentioned, but it's so
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 1: you expect to see these archetypes become like either luciferic satanic,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: meaning adversarial to the main religion. Like it's just like
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: we're just talking about like switching subculture and culture, like
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: what is the underground current and what is the above
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: ground current. So right now we have largely in the
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: West Abrahamic religions, which I have to say, for me,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: I never felt oppressed by Christianity. I never felt oppressed
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: by Catholicism, but I do see a lot of the
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 1: Saturnian sort of slowness of like being born Catholic and
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: going through the church, like you aren't basically never going
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: to get there. There like two deeper metaphysical experiences just
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: by relying on the outer temple religion. But there are
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: ways to do it, and it's clear from the saint
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: hagiographies that saints were able to do it, just like
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: the monastics did a lot of demonic angoetic and angelic summoning.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: There are ways to do it. It's just that it's
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 1: not considered to be a part of the you know,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 1: acceptable culture. So what I'm saying is that the AONs switch,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: they will take on positions that are contrary to the
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: order of the laws of nature, to quote the Keys
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: of Solomon. So I don't know if that answers your question, judit,
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: but I just think that you know that when the
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: a and of the Mother is demonized, then there will
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: be people that are attracted to the nature of that transgression.
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 1: And when she is when the you know, there have
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 1: been cycles there, like India, they always had a goddess cult.
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: That's like very well known in archaeology. When they have
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: a goddess cult, they tend to go into more low consciousness,
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: like I'm going to sacrifice a goat to get this
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: a thing. So it's like then it like perpetuates, because
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: how do you then sort of contain that ferocious energy.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: Because it's like Eros was saying in Tantra, even your
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: off is relational, what you give, how you give it,
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: your state of consciousness when you give it, that is
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: what activates the quote unquote deity. So if you are
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: giving her ferocious offerings in a ferocious way, She's gonna
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: come back ten times stronger and be like you need
• 1:24:18
  Speaker 1: to up the anti I need more more more more.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: So that's the problem with aon of the Mother. She
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 1: always desires more, and I think this is also what
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 1: Croley was talking about. But I think that he also
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: got caught up in like the polarity of father mother.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: That's my this is just my opinion, but I think
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: that he this is why he was like aon of
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: the Son, because he was like, we need to break
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: out of this kind of extremes of the polarity and
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: move into this new aon. But he was against like
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: this whatever. For whatever reason, he did not like Frederi
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: Chad's and of the Daughter work. But I think it
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: was really complimentary to his and I think that that's
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: why he didn't like it, because he saw himself as
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: the great beast in opposition to you know, all the
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 1: you know, all that is good or all worldly religions
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: or whatever. He was like, mister he was proto punk,
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: you could say, and or proto rock star, and so
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: he didn't want the tifferatic like balance the harmonious sort
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: of nature of it. So that's this is just my opinion, obviously,
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: but this is just I think that it goes to
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: like what you were asking, like why do we see
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 1: certain things demonized? And I think she likes the role,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: like if you were going to anthropomorphize the feminine divine force.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 1: I think sometimes in certain eons she actually likes being
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: the transgressive, adversarial figure. I think it suits her, especially
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: in like the quote unquote feminist dark goddess worship. I
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: think that that those forms suit people who are going
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: to be transgressive, who are going to, you know, want
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 1: atonomian ritual.
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 5: I was thinking about something we mentioned before the show
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: about how the arise of this whole idea of witches
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: was really due to this kind of monotheistic demonization of women.
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 5: And actually historically, I believe a lot of these were
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 5: found to these cases where women healers were chastised and punished.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: They were just midwives and herbal healers that were deduced
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 5: to be, you know, some kind of dark feminine powers
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: so that, you know, because they were able to take
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 5: care of people that normally suffered and.
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: Died, and.
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 5: Whole idea oppression of that came from, or really the
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 5: idea that all this had to go under down underground
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 5: came from this repression, and further recently, the idea that
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 5: we have this allopathic medicine industry that totally eliminated even
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: the consideration of herbs and even nutrition to where it's
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: all allopathy, poison, drug cut and some of it is
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: helpful in certain cases, but the fact that they really
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 5: created it to eliminate the herbal healing that women were
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: often associated with, is you know, evident and kind of
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 5: depicts how through the centuries, even to our own detriment, collectively,
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: we've been trying to be rid of empowered women and
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 5: the feminine.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 4: Well, I agree with that, And it's also like, if
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 4: you look at just the I always like to think
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 4: of it as like there the devil is present at
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 4: all times, right, And what better way to cage people
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 4: than to separate their identity, right than to convince them,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 4: Because it does just come down to people are just
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: convincing other people, right, like the whole medicine thing, like oh,
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 4: they're all witches, let's all kill them. So it's kind
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 4: of just wild that the sovereignty and of so many
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: sovereignty of so many people was taken because they were
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 4: unwilling to follow their intuition, which is that divine feminine force. Right,
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: So instead of following their intuition and being like, wait
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 4: a second, that woman saved my life with that medicine
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 4: instead they're like, no, that dude and that other person
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: say that they're the witch and we should just off
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: with their head.
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: So it's like this convincing of people to go against
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 4: their own sovereignty is such a wild concept that it
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 4: does show you like the suppression of the divine feminine
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 4: just letting it be the intuition, right, the intuitive power
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: to like question why would we do that?
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: First off?
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 4: Why would we kill anybody just because they're like have
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 4: we seen evidence of their bad doings?
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 10: Or are we just going to take the advice of
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 10: this person?
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 4: Right? So, yeah, it is very interesting, the convincing and
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 4: all of that.
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 10: So I'm glad you brought that up, Ethn.
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 9: I wanted to say something really quick back to Nick's
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 9: question about like the demonization of women's sexually. I just
• 1:29:26
  Speaker 9: think that that's another abrahamic thing, but not necessarily even
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 9: because a big part of spirituality, right is virtue and
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 9: like connecting to virtue to like, you know, grab hold
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 9: of your will and you know, I would say Platitis
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 9: was definitely influential in that, Like he was very anti
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 9: your be steal nature, and so then if we're demonizing
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 9: the be steal nature, and like human nature than you know, historically, women,
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 9: I guess I would say are more the objects of desire, right,
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 9: because we're physically different, and I think that uh, men
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 9: are more uh sexually focused perhaps than than women, or
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 9: less sexually guarded than women, and so there's always that
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 9: kind of unevenness where men are seeking it more than
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 9: women are, and so women just tend to be the
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 9: object of desire more. Then there's this huge like social
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 9: imbalance that is like pretty significant that could be talked about.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 9: But so I think that a big part of that
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 9: demonization of women and women sexually is just because they
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 9: are like the objects of desire and the you know,
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 9: sexual gateway, I guess. And so I think it would
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 9: make sense that you could kind of, over time go
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 9: into that where you start demonizing the you know, object
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 9: of desire and trying to kind of contain that for
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 9: the purpose of virtue and stuff.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: It's interesting that you're mentioning, I guess, like platonism. Platonism
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 2: with the Platonists. Uh, it was something that I I
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 2: just noticed. Uh it wasn't all of them, but it
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 2: was a decent chunk. It was a few of them,
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 2: but like at some point when I was covering like, uh,
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 2: you know the I guess Christianity, there was a couple
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 2: of people like just the martyr Yucidy's origin, a couple
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: of you know, a handful of people that were like
• 1:31:51
  Speaker 2: the big mouths basically telling everybody else how this, you know,
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 2: Christianity is supposed to go. And you know a good
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 2: handful of them a Platonist. And the reason they were
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 2: running their mouths was because of the Gnostics, And it's
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: we know, the Platonists don't like Gnosticism. So I even
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: wonder like if even the insertion of plate as much
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 2: as I'm a fan of Platonism, the insertion of Platonism
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 2: has even something to do with shaping that type of idea.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 9: Well, I honestly I think Platinis was a huge turning
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 9: point for that. I don't know, maybe not, but I think,
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 9: at least in my reading, I've never seen anyone as
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 9: like anti you know, be a steel form as Platinists was.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 9: And I kind of always felt like Saint Augustine and
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 9: a lot of the Christian doctrine probably took some of
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 9: that pur puritanical kind of thought and kind of incorporated
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 9: that more into Christianity. I can't be sure, but.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 6: Yeah, there's that's I mean, think about it. We have
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 6: just to separate Platonism from Plato, right, that's a really
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 6: important understanding. And then Platonists are just people, you know,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 6: people who are now have learned at the academy and
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 6: taken Plato's work and added a lot of ways to
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 6: talk about is they added a theology. Plato didn't have
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 6: a theology, and so he was proposing through all these
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: dialogues of Socrates, and then all of a sudden you
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 6: get people like like ris Is talking about like you know,
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 6: and you too, Nika, you know, Platinus and Proclus and
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 6: all the way up to the Amplicus, and so you
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 6: get all these different Platonists having all these different ideas
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 6: of what theology means. And then as you're saying, Saint
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 6: Augustine and all these characters, also taking from Aristotle, who's
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 6: also a Platonist, and then integrating these interesting aspects of
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 6: what Plato was trying to get when he says that
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 6: we must use the higher mind of reason to understand
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 6: that your lower desires and the animal forms they have
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 6: the ability to be harmonized. You don't want them to
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 6: go away because we got to still eat, sleep, fucking
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 6: and procreate. Right, but at the same you can't separate them.
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 6: But the reason the higher mind is there to make
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 6: sure we know and have virtue like I I was
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 6: talking about fortitude prudence, and it keeps it in check,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 6: Thank you Jules, as always. And it's this idea of like,
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 6: if we can structure us this way is one model,
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 6: right of just trying to understand whatever the orphic traditions
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 6: we're teaching us pythegory and traditions all the way back
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 6: to Sumer and this descent of Inana into the underworld,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 6: as these stories with the Orpheus and the egg and
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 6: these things come through into Now you get the Inquisition
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 6: in this timeframe, after you get all of this plethora
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 6: of the Hellenized world taking all these different cultures and
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 6: smack dabbing them in al Andrea and many other cities
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 6: that have done things like that, to then get the
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 6: Christian like like Christianity is beautiful, Abraham Atricians are beautiful,
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 6: but when the tyrant king takes too much hold and
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 6: the institution wants to squeeze all things that don't conform
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 6: to its structures and hierarchies that all of a sudden
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 6: you get things like what we're talking about, and this
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 6: really strange thing about like the Gnostics only thinking that
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 6: all materiality is evil, right when some thought that, But
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 6: that wasn't all of them. The Amblicus definitely, you know,
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 6: was a Polatanist also a Gnostic in his own way
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 6: of trying to make this a sense. So I feel
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 6: like a lot of this is a mistaking the map
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 6: of the territory and not understanding a lot of these things.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 6: And then I think it's really important to go into
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 6: why Nick, like I think you are having this thing
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 6: kind of come together, is because of in the mainstream exoteric,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 6: nonsensical idiots out there who have no fucking understanding of
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 6: hide from hide from tail. I don't know, is like
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 6: a saying, but like the it's like these these individuals
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 6: are talking nonsense because if they don't even know how
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 6: to read books. These people don't know how to read books,
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: they don't understand language, they don't understand symbolism, allegory and
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 6: tales of a human trying to like transform into something
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 6: something better. It's like chasing clicks instead of understanding that
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 6: this is an alchemical process. No matter what vehicle you use, right,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 6: the vehicle doesn't matter. You can get it through Christianity
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 6: because they have tons of feminine saints, right, Nick, you
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 6: were talking, we were talking about the woman who fucking
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 6: is brilliant and the music.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, if you were to look at her liturgy,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: just what you can take the kill the guard right,
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 2: the church acknowledges that you could pray to her for
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 2: it was just like, why would you even fuck with
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 2: any goddesses? Just amount of shit that they just I'm
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: just keeping it real, Like if you look at some
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: of these women's liturgies, like what the fuck these bitches
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 2: were bad?
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 6: The christianistics. You know, it's so important to not like
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 6: throw the baby out the backwater, which is what a
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 6: lot of these fucking individuals do when they goes total
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 6: bro on us all, you know.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I just I just want to I'm sorry, just
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 9: really quick. Yeah, No, I wanted to just say Platinus
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 9: was kind of more of like a specific case and
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 9: he does not represent all neo play in this. He
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 9: was kind of extreme in his bias, but I do
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 9: think it had a huge effect. And yeah, Brandon is
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 9: so right that it's you know, if you don't incorporate
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 9: the physical, you can't reach rubato.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, nice.
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  Speaker 4: What I was just gonna say about like the idea
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: of the best deal nature, Like from a Buddhist perspective,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: I do not like the idea that we would ever
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: include that with women because I think that is something
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 4: that has gone wrong in our world, is that women
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: are the best.
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  Speaker 10: Steel and that's what we like.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 4: They look at Collie, they look at all these goddesses
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 4: that are protectors, and they're.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 10: Like, that's a wild beast, and it's like, no, that
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 10: is a goddess.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 4: Yea, yeah, that is that is a fully embodied divine
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: feminine protecting her right. And so I just like the
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: idea of bestiality and like, you know, be steel nature
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 4: is I think from a perspective, like not something that
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: we want to acknowledge as like a feminine quality.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 10: Yes we are of the earth, but like the be.
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: Steele nature from a perspective of Buddhism, and I think
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 4: a lot of traditions is a lower is a lower
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: residence of like the ten worlds. So like one of
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: the lowest worlds is the world of animility, because it
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: doesn't have any sort of ability to control itself. And
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 4: so if we put feminine, divine feminine with beasts like
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: that is.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 10: That's not what it is. And so how I find
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 10: that is, Yeah, such a downfall for perhaps what happened
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 10: in Christianity in that sense.
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: And I'm sorry I respond to it really quick. So
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: in Tantra, we actually do live in the animal world,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: and the Dikinis are often depicted as writing bahamas of
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 1: animals or with animal heads. Now this is really important.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: And because we all live on the carnal ground as
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 1: well as the garden, right like, we are nondual, so
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: we exist in both places at the same time. And
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: this is the maybe the difference between like Contra Buddhism
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 1: and like Mahayana Buddhism. But we really look at it like, yes,
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: the divine feminine force can be nondual, extremely ferocious, take
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: blood offerings, be extremely destructive. They are agents of mamos,
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 1: which is a Tiventan word for chaos. They are most goddesses.
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 1: They are the embodiment of chaos. And yes, sometimes that
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: can be of lower consciousness.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: It can be.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: Plagues, it can be war, it can be famine, it
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 1: can be all of those things, and some of those
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: goddesses are then propitiated to remove the mamos that they create.
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: So I just want to say that if you really
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: take a nondual perspective, it's both. It's they are not
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: just divine. They have different stages of consciousness, like you're
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: talking about Kaida of like from the lowest world to
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: the high world. But these are conceptual states of being,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: just like we can aspire higher than the mid tier
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: god realms. This is my big contention with certain kinds
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 1: of online paganism is that they believe that we only
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: stay static at this mid what we would consider in
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: Tontra to be a mid tier god world. But that's
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: not the point of Buddhism. The point of Buddhism is
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: to go to or I'm soaf or to go to
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: the nondual like formless reality. But again, like to echo
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: what both Brandon and Aro said, it's not a rejection
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: of the body, it's not a rejection of the three
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: world system. It's an integration of those things through consciousness
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: and through praxis. And I also wanted to say that
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: I thought it was brilliant that Aros made the connection
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: between Platinis and Saint Augustine, who was a Manichean, which
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 1: is a breakaway branch of Judaism, Christianity, Buddhism, and very
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 1: Zoropstrianism in various other religions. He was a syncretist and
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: his whole idea of the world was dualistic. He believed
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: that the body was fundamentally evil and he believed that
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: the spirit was fundamentally good, and that we are trapped
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 1: in matter. So contrac Buddhism reconciles this with the practice
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 1: of mantra because sound liberates light from matter. So I
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: just wanted to say that, but yeah, I think that
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: was brilliant that you said that, Eros, and it is
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 1: an actual like historical connection between those two things like
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: rejection of body and sort of like that entry into Christian.
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 8: Mysticism shout out man is and yeah, the Man of
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 8: Keans had man is and we actually talked about that
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 8: on prior show. But to what Kaiva was saying, yeah,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 8: you know there is this this kind of beastial nature
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 8: and men have to embody this. I think like it's
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 8: a part of us, right and and so like, like
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 8: I was about earlier in Northern uh, mythology and history.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 8: You have like the wolf nar right, the wolf warriors,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 8: you have the Bearserker that takes on these specific beastial archetypes.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 8: But it's to protect the feminine right, is to protect
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 8: the women and the children. And this is and Jen,
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 8: I know you don't like Wotan. I know you don't
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 8: like Odin. But Odin had to work with Freya. Okay,
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 8: well he had to work with Freya to learn the
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 8: Sayer magic, right like that he had to in order
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 8: to be who he is today. Right, and he sent
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 8: Brunehill to Sigur to lead him on the right path.
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 8: And then them both being in this uh you know,
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 8: uh physical world, they both fell to their own.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 7: Uh you know sins. I guess you could say there.
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 7: But yeah, and it's something and you know, now Odin
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 7: you see online people go, oh he was a cross dresser,
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 7: you know, just because he embodied the divine feminine. It's
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 7: it's pretty silly. It's like, do you do you read?
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 8: You know, I really want to ask people, do you
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 8: take everything in the Bible literally? You know you can't interpret.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 8: They do, but yeah, that's what I'm saying.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 6: That, well, they do to a point.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: It becomes.
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: They do to a point, because when if you're looking
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: at the divine feminine, there are plenty of books within
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: the Old Testament that really glorify the events and the
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: steps that women had taken in faith, and they're not
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: spoken about, they're not demonized. They were and someone put
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: it in the chat who chose the books that goes
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: that that's in the current Bible that most people look at.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: There are plenty of books of women who exude the
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: energy of the divine feminine that people don't even talk about.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 3: My name predecessor Judith is one of them. I didn't
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: even know about it till I was old. These are
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: people that, these are feminines that everybody who's against the
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 3: divine feminine who are part of the Aprianic religions tend
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: to overlook.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 6: They totally.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: Any argument they have against the divine feminine is knocked
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: out if you look at these books, if you read
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: these books. So I I find it hard for someone
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: to come at me and say they're devowed and they
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 3: don't know these books. They don't know these women saints
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 3: included and demonize the divine feminine. They exude that energy.
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: So you're telling me because it's not the norm. Now,
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 3: the divine feminine energy is satanic, but Judith was not.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 9: Mary is not.
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 2: Going to say that, like, I mean, how do you
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: even like you know, I mean, Mary popping out a
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 2: kid without I mean, that's divine feminine right there? Shut
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: come wide.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and then all the cults that what you were
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 6: talking about with talk with parthenogenesis, right, so you had
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 6: the idea of being able to create from you know,
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 6: just a single set of organism, creating it by itself,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 6: you know, parthenogenesis, the virgin birth. This was like myosis
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 6: or mitosis. It's like another reiteration of how you know,
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 6: things are created from nothing into something.
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 5: Something I wanted to touch on that's maybe kind of
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 5: deep into our psyche as far as like the aversion.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: Collie is of course just one layer or personification of
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 5: the divine feminine, but it's taken to be oh, that's destructive, ruinous.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 5: But one simple metaphorical understanding of Collie being destructive and
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 5: overcoming is the quality of women to help men develop.
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 5: And it usually comes through not in a clash, but
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 5: women are excellent at slicing off the superfluous silliness that
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: men might think without the contrast and build of the feminine,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 5: and so the aversion to that I think is part
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 5: of the dark psyche of men to be automatically. Oh,
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 5: it's it's a bad woman that's gonna attack me. No,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 5: what's the what's the symbolism, right, it's to really enhance
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 5: the man.
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 6: That's what women do, and like supernatural woman idea of
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 6: leading you into.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 1: Sorry, Brendan, I'm just going to respond to Juels really
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: quick about the low tan Odin thing. It's not that
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: I'm upset up, not at all. DULs Okay, I don't
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 1: dislike any deity. I have no problem with pagans. Don't
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 1: ever at me like anyone listening, I don't care. I'm
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: not going to believe in your religion. I'm happy in
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: my own. But I am okay. But I do not
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: worship worldly gods at all, point blank period. I do
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: not worship worldly gods. I take refuge in the Buddhas
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: and the Buddhas alone, so people can understand that however
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 1: they want, that's enlightened energy. It's not worldly energy.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 7: And so then I would like to talk to you
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 7: about that sometime.
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: Well, I'd love to, you know, talk about cable and
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: that with you anytime. Yeah, but yeah, I want to
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: just respond to what Ethan said is correct. But I
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: would say, this is why we prefer the red Dakini
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: forms in Buddhism, because then she embodies the ragostic energy.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 1: It's not just the tumasi destructive, sinful energy. She actually
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: it has the ability to go like roubido. Sorry, erros
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: brought up. That's what it means. That's why she's depicted
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: like that. She's bringing us into the heatless flame. She's
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: bringing us into the perfection of wisdom through red practices.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: But some, yes, there are Dikinis can appear in all
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: the colors of respondent to ray. That's even how it's described.
• 1:48:19
  Speaker 1: And different people have different karmas, so it be attracted
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 1: to different forms of the you know whatever. If you
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 1: want to call them a goddess, that's fine, but absolutely
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 1: like a black duikini can be very powerful. It can
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 1: be very good for people who have a lot of
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: anger issues or have a lot of black magic directed
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: at them. So it really depends, Like this is the
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: part where Upaya's skillfulness comes in. It's like, just because
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 1: you're at first glance attracted to a deity does not
• 1:48:48
  Speaker 1: necessarily mean that you need to worship that deity. It
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 1: actually might mean something deeper. It might mean something astrological,
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: it might mean some kind of planetary karma you need
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: to work through. Does not because you are forming a
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 1: karmic connection to that duty for multiple lifetimes if you
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: worship them. This is a real tontic way to think.
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 1: So this is also why I don't worship World of Gods. Sorry,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: sorry about that, Thank you. I know that.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 8: It's fine, dude, I just kind of I was just
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 8: kind of poking at you, man, because yeah, me and
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 8: you poke at each other sometimes it's all. It's all
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 8: good fun. You're a good guy, and no I'd love
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 8: to have you on to actually talk about that, because
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 8: no one's gone on to talk about Kabbala and that
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 8: on on on my show from that point from the
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 8: from that point of view.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 1: So I appreciate it. I get a lot of ship
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 1: from pagan indusduals. That's the problem. I hear you. I
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: hear you, brother.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 7: I'll never give you ship. Jen You're You're a good dude,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 7: and I like you.
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 1: So yeah, man, appreciate it. Thank you.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: Fuck the gods.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: Nick.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 6: Yeah there, but Yeah, well, I think I think that's
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 6: a nick I'm gonna frame off of that, and I
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 6: like that, and I think it's really important the fuck
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 6: the Gods thing, because it's to understand where we're at
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 6: in our human consciousness, right. I think it's the idea
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 6: of the gods, you know, gets anthropomorphosized and we misunderstand
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 6: the natural forces that we're trying to understand not only
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 6: in our like the world, the external world, but also
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 6: the embodied internal world and the divine feminine. Again, that's
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 6: what we're talking about is one principle that is a
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 6: major principle that has many aspects and modes of being,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 6: and those modes of being of the many principles of
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 6: the divine feminine also reflect themselves in the cyclical nature
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 6: of the aeons and how we move through the cycles
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 6: of time. And I also definitely agree with Jane as
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 6: he's talking about every country or whatever a culture has
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 6: their own time and that they're moving within because to
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 6: bring up then Heidiger, is that each one of us
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 6: do sign being there in the world. We are time.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 6: We are time embodied into the world. There's no time
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 6: outside of human consciousness in the embodied action just like,
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  Speaker 6: there is no human being without the divine feminine and
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 6: divine masculine principles. And these principles are principles of forces
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  Speaker 6: of nature as they move through the world. And I,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I think this is something really important to
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 6: always come back to, and that's why magic is so important. Mysticism.
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  Speaker 6: However we want to talk about these things, is that
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  Speaker 6: that we harness the ability to use these principles for good.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 6: Hopefully not everyone does that, and it can be inverted
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  Speaker 6: the even good that you're doing. Right, I think fourth wave,
• 1:51:44
  Speaker 6: third wave, second wave, first like maybe not first wave,
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 6: I don't know. But feminism itself is an externalization of
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 6: the of a masculine feminine push. It is happening because
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 6: both sides are doing something and all of a sudden
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 6: you get a reaction cause reaction cause you know, Hegelian dialectic,
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 6: and you continue get this to move through and then
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 6: we're arguing about what principles and forces of nature that
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 6: we don't understand and that we have to take to
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 6: the temple, the pillow wherever you sit and meditate and
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 6: contemplate your existential existence of trying to balance these forces
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 6: of nature. And so I yeah, it's like a continual
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 6: callback that I think we're all doing because Carl Jung
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 6: was trying to understand the unconscious mind, the psyche of
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 6: these humans that walk in this world. And as he said,
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  Speaker 6: until we understand these forces, we will we will say
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 6: that they are you know, they are used against us.
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 6: We are victims, and we will call this life fate.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 6: But we understand that if we can make the unconscious conscious,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 6: and that is again the divine feminine, which we have
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 6: covered over, or the you know, highest principles of the
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 6: divine masculine, which now we see the inversion of the
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 6: tyrannical king. In America. I can't speak for anywhere else
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 6: because I only live in America in this morphogenic field
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 6: of trying to understand what the fuck is going on.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 6: When you get these idiots talking on Instagram and TikTok
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 6: and YouTube talking about things they don't understand because they
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 6: still have mommy and daddy issues.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: So how can you.
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  Speaker 6: Understand these massive principles where you can't even control your
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 6: own nature and your own forces and your own primal moves.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 6: We all are dealing with these things on a day
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 6: to day basis, and I think it's really important that
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 6: anybody out there as you listen to this and you're
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 6: trying to understand, should I be scared of the Revelation,
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 6: the Scarlet Horror, the Lady of Babylon, or can I
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 6: understand that it's in my view again, this is just
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 6: me that the aspects of these two principles that we
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 6: always are talking about, there's many many more of the
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 6: Horror and the Virgin. These two are reflections of themselves,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 6: but we also have them within the divine masculine principles.
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  Speaker 6: They just take shape in a different way because there
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 6: are different forces of nature. And this is something that
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 6: just boils up in me and I just have to
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 6: like just put out there because that I think these
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 6: are important topics.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 5: I say, it's interesting, and I think maybe an elephant
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 5: in the room type of thing is the hyper masculine
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 5: mascul masculinization of women and the hyper feminization of men
• 1:54:27
  Speaker 5: going on culturally beautiful. What if this is actually playing
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 5: off of our emotions to avoid facing our own internal
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 5: as you might put it into simplicity, mommy and daddy issues,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 5: feminine and masculine issues when we're not in balance, and
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 5: this is kind of playing off of us to pursue
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 5: some kind of hyper one way or another that's actually
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 5: totally out of balance. And the idea that, you know,
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 5: I hope I don't think I'm going to offend anyone here,
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 5: but the idea that feminism is the pursuit of to
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 5: be equal with perverse masculine pursuits is not feminism, right.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 5: It's feminism, you know, is the feminine is not equal
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 5: to men. It's much more, much grander than that.
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  Speaker 1: I hope I speak clear.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting to say that because I was my
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 4: mind was going to the same place of harmony, like
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 4: when I do also think of the divine feminine, like
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 4: I do think of all the dark abyss and all
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: that looks chaotic, but is it actually chaotic or does
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 4: it just appear to be chaotic because we don't know
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: divine order?
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 4: So there is this idea that within the divine feminine
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 4: there is also this beautiful harmony that we try to control.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: And I think that's maybe why the divine feminine is demonized,
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: is because people want to know what's going to happen
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 4: and they don't have the ability to just trust, like
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: divine harmony is unfolding.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 10: Let it happen, right.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: So I love that you also were like tapping into
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 4: that like balance harmony, because I was like starting to like,
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 4: I think I understand now what the divine feminine means
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: just a little bit more. If we understand chaos is
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: actually sometimes harmony and it's important to let it play
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 4: it out. And anybody who has a strong uranus in
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 4: their chart will know, like you know how to use
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: chaos because it's like, oops, I guess I can't go
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 4: do that thing. Oops, I guess you know what I mean,
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 4: Like there's an opportunity in chaos to write it out
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 4: and see how it could actually be going in your favor.
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 4: Not all the times, but maybe it actually does all
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 4: the time.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: I thought that was a great point, Kylie. I want
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: to say that, like everything that you said, I one
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: hundred percent agree with it. I think that's what existence
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: appearance is is like they appear ferocious. They can appear
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: with an animal head. But if you push through your
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: own misperceptions and preconceptions, because she's really postconceptual, that's really
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: the tontric idea. She doesn't have any quality that we
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 1: would describe her as. She's not Gunosiic. She's not Thomasic
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 1: and she's not Rajowsick. She's post's post conceptual. So once
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: we let what we think of her go, then that
• 1:57:13
  Speaker 1: can then it really is. What is revealed to us
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 1: is like knowledge or wisdom whatever you know. So no,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 1: I agree with that one hundred percent. And I want
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 1: to also compliment Brandon because I did think that you
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 1: did really good Kabala in your past comment when you
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: were saying that time is really in the mind, you
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 1: didn't say it quite like that, but yeah, I mean
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 1: I've also said this is like bina happens at ysode,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 1: So time in your mind, time in the nine. That's
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 1: a good way to understand it, like as a mnemonic device. Yeah,
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what happens. We have to perceive the world.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 1: But we're standing on the moon or standing at yisode
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: to do it. We're looking at the tree. So which
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: way do you want to look? Upwards or downwards? I
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: think a lot of the dialectrical games tend to shift
• 1:57:59
  Speaker 1: our focus down words, And I would say, if we're
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: truly nondual, and maybe we're not all nondual, maybe not
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not even nondual, but at least conceptually. I'll just
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 1: say that I think, and Tantra would agree with me,
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 1: is that it's really important to look up, like if
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 1: we're conceptualizing reality as the tree rather than looking down,
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 1: because looking up actually gives us a sense of agency
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 1: as well as it is not alike, it's not at
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 1: all like how Hebrew Cabala describes it. It's all about
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 1: humility and being humble. And I agree that we need
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: virtue and we need to cultivate those like inner things
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: that are gonna like bring order together. But I think
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 1: looking up is a lot more Promethean. So I think
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 1: if we can septualize it like that, we just can
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: you know, actualize a lot of the pathworking better. So yeah,
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: I just want to say this, thanks guys.
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  Speaker 2: That was good. Thank you. They have anything else that
• 1:59:00
  Speaker 2: they wanted to add? Almost that two, I was probably
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: wrap it up at this point. No, nothing, All right, sure, well.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 6: We probably could, but you know, we are all like
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 6: we're feeling like, well we could. Part two is in
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 6: order two of sixty four, right, Part two of sixty
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 6: four is coming up soon.
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 2: Good? Good, for sure? That was great though, I really,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: I really thought that was an awesome show. I really
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 2: appreciate everybody's input on that. You know, it made me
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: think about a lot of things myself as well, just
• 1:59:31
  Speaker 2: the way I look at it and just how it
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: does differ in some days. It's very interesting and the
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: reasoning behind that. Who knows. Thank you all and everybody
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: in the chat. Before we wrap it up, I will
• 1:59:46
  Speaker 2: everybody plug their show again real quick. Judith, please let
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• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: This is actually I can't wait for part two. This
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 3: was a wonderful conversation. Nice to see everybody again and
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  Speaker 2: Of course, thank you. Jus always appreciate what you can
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  Speaker 2: make it, man. I was glad you were able to
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  Speaker 3: Uh.
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  Speaker 2: I had a blast. We definitely do a part too.
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  Speaker 2: There was plenty of things that I could have still
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: went on about or nerded out on. Are just different
• 2:06:47
  Speaker 2: ways I look at, you know, the divine feminine. But yeah, uh,
• 2:06:53
  Speaker 2: it was a blast everybody in the chat. That's what's up.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate any uh you know, comments in there. People
• 2:06:58
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