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#161: Gill1918 presents Track Tribe LIVE: (Part 2) "Building Hurdlers" with Kenny Anderson hosted by Kyle Jones · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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With that, we, we got programs around the country, right?
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And weather is typically an obstacle, especially like in the
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Midwest and you know, upper part of the northern part, the
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northern parts of the states. So how do you build hurdlers
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that in an environment where you don't have perfect weather or
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you don't have perfect surfaces or there's no perfect time to
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try to pull people together, right?
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So how do you how do you build hurdlers in that kind of hard
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environment? A lot of drilling, a lot of
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technique work like quick three steps, one steps in the hallway
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doesn't matter. We do have like a small turf
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room indoors about 40 yards so we we can get maybe 2-3 hurdles
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in there, but a lot of technical work and a lot of acceleration
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work. And then I also, you know, for
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are you know, tempo or endurance or strength training.
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We do a lot of runs on high job mats.
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Really. Yeah.
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So OK. I need to hear this.
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You got to talk. You got to talk to us now you,
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you got. And is it OK to share this this
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secrets? I don't have any secrets like I
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don't have any secrets all. Right y'all, so if you first of
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all let me tell you stuff, if y'all listening to this live and
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you got questions ask them in the chat and we'll get to them.
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I want to know how what are you doing on the high jump mat that
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is producing some results. I I got to hear this.
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So imagine your workout today. Let's say you're doing 4 to 5,
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two hundreds, you know, anywhere from 30 to 35 seconds.
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You know, on the 200 you can do the same work and you probably
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get more from running on a high jump mat because it's not
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stable. So you're working harder, you
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know, trying to keep your posture, your frequency.
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And so we're just running the hydro mat for a time, 35
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seconds, we'll go 35 seconds and then we'll come off the mat and
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then do 35 seconds worth of core.
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I'll give you last week our, our workout, we had the short
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sprinters go 30 seconds on, 30 seconds core, 30 seconds on.
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That was one set and we did 6 to 8 sets of that and then I had
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the long sprinters. We did 454545 but they feel it
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sounds. Brutal.
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I mean, they, they feel it and it's, it's safe because it's,
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you know, instead of being on a hallway all the time or, you
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know, wherever, whatever concrete, you know, it's less
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pounding. So we have, we have to be
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creative, you know, here with, you know, the stuff that we do.
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That's that's one example. I love it.
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I, I, I don't, I've been around this up around track and field
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for a very long time and I've, I've heard some things, but I've
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never, I've seen people run on the high, but I've never
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occurred to me to go, hey, we could use this, use this as like
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a hit type of workout, right? Because that's essentially what
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it kind of boils down to. It's it's a HIT type of workout
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And are is it mostly like high knees or you trying to do
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anything else besides the high knees kind of like quick feed or
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anything like that? Mostly, mostly high knees.
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For the most part, yeah. Mostly high knees.
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Do they look at you crazy when you first tell them?
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Yeah, and once you do it one time, like, you know, but like
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the first time, like we run on the high jump mat, we here I'm
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like, yeah, we go right here. Space is small.
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I don't need a whole lot of room.
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I can rotate y'all in and out. We we get it done all.
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Right. So high jump mats, now you go
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have about 400 coaches across the country and somebody like
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the high jump coach is going to be pissed off because he can't
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get his high jump kids on the mat because the hurdlers are
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running. Except for me, because I coach
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all in, I coach the hurdlers and the high jumpers.
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So yeah, I get it by right, Right.
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So with the with the coaches out there now they may be listening
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and they hearing all right. Well, you got to be creative
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sometimes. Sometimes you don't have the
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perfect stuff, the perfect environment, the perfect space,
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the perfect surface is the perfect whatever right weather,
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unless you're in Texas for some reason, right because it I don't
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understand. This is always like beautiful.
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I know it gets cold down there too.
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I'm I'm Josh in Texas. Don't come for me Texas.
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I'm just joking. So you are producing hurdler
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after hurdler after hurdler after hurdler, right.
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Obviously you got a system that is sustainable for success and
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most coaches want to know, well, how do I, how do I build up this
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pipeline? How do I get people interested
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in hurtlers And maybe even like, let's, let's take a step back.
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Maybe you got some new coaches out there who don't even know
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how to evaluate a hurdler in the 1st place.
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Where do you start? I start with my best athletes.
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You know, if you're fast, you can jump.
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You know, we going, we going to try.
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We going to see what it looks like.
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I said before, I think the hurdlers are the most athletic
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people in track and field. You can Sprint, you can hurdle,
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you're basically sprinting with obstacles.
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So I start with my best athletes and just kind of see, you know
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what they look like, flexibility, understanding.
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And you know, the biggest thing is like No Fear.
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They're not scared of anything. To be an effective and efficient
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hurdler, you have to have a sense of reckless abandonment.
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So just not being afraid to try is very, very important.
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And if you're not afraid to try, then you know, it might take you
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a minute to learn, but you know, everybody has the ability to
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learn. So that's why I start.
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And then I start with as far as like a technical component, I
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start with teaching the trail egg, trail egg and lead on.
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So one thing that I see sometimes with novice hurdlers
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and you know, they, they look, they, they hear the term or
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getting coached, look at the watch to where they, they're
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looking at the watch and they're coming here.
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I no knock to anybody that teaches that, but I don't
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believe in that. And the reason why I don't
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believe in that is because if this is, this is a normal
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running motion. Now, if you can see me like you,
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you're sprinting, you're here cheek to cheek, face, cheek,
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butt cheek. When you do this, when you do
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this, this is not a normal running motion.
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So now when I come here, for me to get my arm back down, I have
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to swing it out. But now I'm swinging and I'm,
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I'm swimming, I'm turning butter, you know, when I'm
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looking at the watch here. So what we teach is wrist higher
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than the elbow. So the wrist is higher than the
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elbow, then I can punch down. I mean, you might have a slight
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diagonal, but if the wrist is higher than the elbow, I can get
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it right down back into my pocket.
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So hurtling wrist higher than the elbow.
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So that's, that's one thing that I work on very early with the
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hurdlers that I, that I work with and the trail leg.
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So me personally, I don't really coast the Lee leg too much and
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we do a couple of one step drills, but I drilled the hell
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out of a trail leg. We do a lot of ISO trail leg
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drills. We talk about getting the trail
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leg high and tight. What I mean by that is high up
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into that trail knee, high up into your armpit.
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Here if you have deodorant on, you should have deodorant on
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your kneecap because because your trail leg is so high and
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tight up under your armpit and then you got a bug on your knee.
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So with that lead arm, you swiping the bug off your knee
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and I can't do it really do it because I'm sitting down.
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But we, we do a lot of trail leg work very, very early.
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I believe in the trail leg. I believe if you have an
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efficient trail leg that takes care of everything else so.
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That man, I would say that that was some Nuggets right there.
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And ladies and gentlemen, if you're listening to this on
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maybe the The Guild podcast or just in an audio somewhere, you
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couldn't see this, but Coach Kenny was, is, was hurtling in
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an office chair almost here doing trail leg drills, almost
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like pull throughs. It's a sight to see.
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So I implore you to go to the to go come to the YouTube channel,
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watch that. That was fun to watch.
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I would try it, but I feel like my hip would take it off, would,
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would, would disconnect and then run away and pack up and leave.
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So, but yeah, so and that, that's one of the things we
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talked about. And I, I said I would bring this
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up just full transparency because I wanted to make sure
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that people understood that this isn't a coach's theory.
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This is stuff that works, right. And we had a talk and he was, he
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had posted something in the track tribe and he was working
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with one of his hurdlers. And I thought it was a really
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good video. And I was he kept saying stuff
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and you're like, punch down, punch down, punch down.
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And it killed me. I was like, OK, wait a minute,
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coach, that's something different.
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What are you, what are you talking about?
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And so obviously he, he, he brought to my attention, he's,
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she's talking about drive that, you know, kind of punching
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forward, punching down what using that, that wrist higher
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than the elbow. But also what he brought to my
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attention was the positioning of the trail leg and bringing it
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actively pulling it through your, your, your hurdle, right,
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your technique. And so for me, when I was coming
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out, we were always taught to get your lead leg down fast,
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right? Snap down with your lead leg.
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And what you showed me was it's more effective to have an active
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trail leg pulled through and in a high position because you've
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run off the hurdle faster and better.
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And then when you showed me, I was like, holy crap, it was,
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that was a moment of if those are the epiphanic moment I got
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you could call, right? It was epiphany.
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And I was like, oh, because we're so used to snap down, snap
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down, snap down. But I saw the position change
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when you snap down versus when, like you said, I'm going to
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focus on their trail leg, bringing it through and now I'm
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in a better running position. So this is in theory y'all.
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This is stuff that actually works.
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And we tried it without hurdlers.
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And I'm going to tell you there's a huge difference with
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them just pulling that hurdle that that trail leg through like
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you said. Yeah.
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So I, I think, you know, if you, if you think about it and you're
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actually standing up, if you can stand it up, you're, you're
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watching or listening, you stand up and you go through the hurt
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of motion. If you try to snap that lead leg
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down fast, you know, you jump, try to snap it down.
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What happens is your trail leg a lot of times get left behind and
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if it gets left behind and your trail leg is not to the front,
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12:00 for your D is coming down the track, then you are waiting
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for the trail leg to get around. And if you're waiting for the
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trail leg to get around, you're off balance and you're slowing
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yourself down. Your, your trail leg has to be
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in the front of your body when the lead leg is down or it
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touches down. If it's not, then you're, you're
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fighting yourself, you're going to twist, you're going to be out
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of position and you can't push or Sprint to the next hurdle.
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So what we focus on is pulling that trail leg to the front.
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And by the time it gets to the front, the lead leg will be in
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position. That way when the lead leg
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touches down, you can run off the hurdle.
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So we, we don't, we don't talk about snapping the lead leg down
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for that very reason. You snap the lead leg down 9
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times out of 10, you're snapping the lead leg down in the trail
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like it's not in the right position.
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So now you're, you're fighting yourself, You know, you're
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defeating the purpose of being able to run off the hurdle.
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So I wish I, I wish I could show y'all a video, but if you go try
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it and you know, just, you know, maybe over a chair or something
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and you try to snap your lead leg down.
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Notice how your trail leg is still in that, that position to
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where it's not all the way to the front.
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But if you go and pull your trail leg to the front as fast
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as possible, pull it to the front, snatch it.
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Notice how much more efficient you are trying to push off of
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that hurdle or whatever, you know, whatever you're jumping
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over. And I don't, we don't jump
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hurdles, but I'm just using this as an example.
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So we we talk about punching the lead arm, you know, pushing into
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the hurdle, punching the lead arm and pulling the trail leg
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three piece push, punch and pull.
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You heard it y'all Push punch and pull.
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Don't get kids suspended thinking that's a fight.
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Push punch, pull and it is effective and I've seen it in a
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matter of fact. If you if you wonder what he's
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talking about, find the track tribe on the school app or
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platform SKOOL the track tribes of the forest free to get in and
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always be free. And he has some pictures posted
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in there which showed the the drastic difference of snapping a
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lead leg down versus pulling your trail leg through.
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And you could see that the athlete initially when they
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snapped the lead leg down, they were like a little off center,
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right off balance where they're they're center of mass when
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they're it's like center of gravity was just not under the
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body versus where the trail leg pull through.
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And you could see where they have more control and we're able
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to force themselves or force themselves, but be able to put
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more force or apply force into the ground to accelerate forward
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towards the next next obstacle, obviously being a hurdle.
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So I implore you, if you haven't seen that yet, make sure you go
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into the track, track and look that and then you can ask
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questions as well, right? That's what we're all about,
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this connecting and bringing knowledge and helping each
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other. And that, that was a mentorship
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moment for me because of what I've been told.
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But there are so many myths out there from what we thought was
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real. Wasn't that it was stupid.
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It was just what we knew, what we thought we knew at the time.
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And with better science and with better understanding, we
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inevitably get better, right? So with that coach, I have some
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questions because I, I, I'm having fun here, man.
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I'll be honest, I don't understand.
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It's exciting, man. What do you notice that most
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hurdle coaches miss when they're training athletes that you kind
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of pick up on and have to retrain?
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Outside of that trail leg, obviously, right?
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They don't Sprint enough. I noticed that.
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I have a young lady, she's a freshman now in high school.
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She, she came and, you know, she hurdled.
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That's all she did. And she has some talent she had,
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she has some upside. And you know, we were having a
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conversation today. And so this weekend she's
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running the 60 hurdles and the 60.
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And she was like, coach, why am I in the 60?
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And I was like, if you want to run fast in the hurdle sheet, we
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got to, you got to get fat, we got to Sprint.
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So I see a lot of times hurdle cultures, OK, we're going to
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hurdle every day or not every day, but we're hurdling 3 * a
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week. I think that sometimes it's good
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depending on, you know, what you're doing, but you got to
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Sprint, you got to, you got to move the hurdles out.
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You got to, you know, teach them acceleration patterns.
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They have to learn how to Sprint.
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So I think that's, that's the biggest thing that hurdle
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coaches could miss sometimes is they're not sprinting enough.
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We Sprint any time we hurdle, we're going to Sprint.
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You know, sometimes we Sprint before.
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This is a nugget too, whatever, whatever event that you have
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your athlete in. So I say, say your hurdler is on
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the four by one. Sometimes you need to Sprint
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before you hurdle and the reason for that and the meet most of
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the times, well at least at the college level, the four by one
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is before the hurdles. So everything that we do in
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practice is training for a competition.
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So I know that you are on that 4 by 1 and you got to Sprint.
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We're going to Sprint, then we're going to come back and
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then probably do a hurdle workout.
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So your body is used to that. Or if you know, if you aren't on
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the four by one, we're always sprinting after practice.
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So it could be, you know, like I love 90s, I love one 20s on the
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curve. And this is a nugget.
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This is specific to me. I love one 20s on the curve,
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especially for short hurdlers because on the curve I feel like
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you're more frequent. When you get on the straight,
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you tend to open up. On the curve you're trying to
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get your feet down so it mimics more so the rhythm in between
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the hurdles. Another thing that we like to do
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is I like you know, the wicked face down or cones or sticks,
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whatever you have at a discounted.
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So 1.83 meters for the women, 1.94 meters for the men.
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So we'll go, I'll put the first one at where the first hurdle
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is, we'll go 30 meters and at that spacing.
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And so now you're mimicking the rhythm of the stride length in
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between the hurdles. So maybe before we go do a
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hurdle workout that is part of our warm up where we're getting
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our feet down and learning how to be frequent so.
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Yeah, I think what you're saying is, is, is is on point because I
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mean, I'm honestly transparency initially far thought about hey,
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let's hurdle, hurdle, hurdle. But no, no, no, you got to learn
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how to Sprint, right? And you just seen one of my
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athletes, Tim. I'm kind of laughing about it
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because in the back of my mind I'm cracking up because I can
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see myself in practice the other week.
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And one of our newer hurdles, she goes, we got to run too.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, you do. You got to run.
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So question just just for transparency and understanding,
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if you have a high CNS day, right, central nervous system
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day, right, and you know you're attacking, do you when you
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finish with that hurdle portion, do you pull them more into a
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rhythmic tempo after that? Or do you try to, you know,
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still blast them within that Sprint framework?
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If it's a high CNS day, we don't blast them in that Sprint
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framework. OK.
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So high CNS day we're doing, you know, 30s forties.
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I'm always finished with something fast like a 9120, you
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know, if I wanted long 150. But we're always going to blast
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them with something fast. I just don't feel like if it's,
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you know, we're, we're working on trying to be fast, finishing
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with the tempo. Now, if I, if it's a tempo day,
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say I'm doing tempo, I'm not afraid to finish with something
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fast. But if it's a if I'm starting
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off fast, I'm gonna finish fast. But a tempo day, I'm not afraid
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to. Coaching is an art.
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So I learned this from. Charles Ryan, Charles Ryan, he's
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the head coach at San Jose State now.
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He did a presentation and he was he said coaching is an art and
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you have to learn the rules to to know how to break the rules.
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And you know, every athlete is is different.
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And as coaches, we are the artists.
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The athlete is the canvas and we have to paint the picture.
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And so some, some athletes, every athlete is, is very
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different and, and every painting is going to be
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different. So you got to, you know, learn
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what's best for them. But you know, I say that, say
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all of that to say, and I'll just being creative.
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Being creative is very, very important.
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So, for example, like a tempo day, we're doing like repeat,
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I'm gonna say repeat 33 hundreds, you know, maybe 3 to
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4, three hundreds, just tempo. But I'm not afraid to finish
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with like a fast 50, you know, a couple of fast 50s.
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So like in a in a race, you got to learn how to, you know,
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finish. So your body's fatigue, you
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know, and you can finish with a fast 50 technical sound like
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you're learning how to will you learn how to run rounds?
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You learn how to finish races. So if I am, if I go off on
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tangents a lot, please excuse me because I, I just be, you know,
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I'll be, I'll be talking and then I'll just go all over the
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place. Listen, you're fine with me.
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If they, if they don't like it, they can always Fast forward,
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right? I, I, I love hearing
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authenticity, right? And, and people, people have a
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lot of theories. There's a lot of noise out
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there. There's a lot of theories out
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there. There's a lot of science out
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there. And I've often said this is you
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can, you can take somebody's plan, but it doesn't necessarily
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work for the athlete you have in front of you.
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And. We have to.
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We have to coach what's in front of us, not what we think is in
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front of us, right? And that that's a big
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difference. And I always, I try to encourage
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coaches to just, hey, it's great to have some ideas and to get
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some mentorship. But you got to find the things
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that work for your athletes because those are the things
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that work for your athletes. And principles never change.
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Real principles don't change over time.
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They're timeless. Principles are timeless.
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No matter what you're studying, the principles will always be
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timeless. The approaches change and the
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information that changes, but the principles do not right,
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right. If you look at history,
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principles don't change and you can argue me down.
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You got to listen to me go, Luke, go do the research for
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yourself, right? And there's certain principles
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that just don't change. So obviously there are some
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things that work timeless time and time again.
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I think one of the guys on Twitter, the one of the sports
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sciences guys, Fred Duncan, he talks about those things, mate,
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looks at old stuff from the 70s and 80s and look at what they're
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doing. Look at what they're doing.
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Look what they're doing. But you got all these other
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scientists that say all these things.
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Come on, let's get real. Let's get back to the the simple
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stuff. So the question here is now
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there are some principles that matter when it comes to getting
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to the next level, right? This is this is the this is the
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fun segue. I'm, I'm a watch how I do this
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right. There are a lot of kids who are
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interested in running at the next level and the majority of
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high school kids won't run track and field at the next level.
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There's a lot of space and opportunity there, but most of
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them won't do it. You have a pipeline of really
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good athletes and developmental athletes coming into your
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program and you're, you're, you're, you're producing a lot
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of results for them. People can see it and now
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they're wondering what it is that you do, right.
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So if an athlete was interested in joining your program or you
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were interested in that athlete joining your program, what are
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some of the do's and don'ts of the recruiting process that you
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would lay out there? So people have a very firm
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understanding of the expectations.
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Oh, that's a great question. Loaded question, but great
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question. Go for.
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It. I think, you know, some of the
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dues are if you're interested in a program, reach out first.
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You know, close mouths don't get fed.
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I tell people all the time. So if you know what I'm saying
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that then people that we're there's, I don't know, hundreds
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of thousands of, of athletes across the country.
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And you know, a lot of college cultures recruit internationally
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as well. So like that's, that's even
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more. And we miss people sometimes.
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So I think, you know, the first do is, you know, research
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schools, research schools that you know, have your major size,
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location, you know, things like that and research the the
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program. So, and this, this brings me to
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a don't I find it somewhat offensive.
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Not all the time, you know, you know, I, I don't charge it to my
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heart, But when, when people say, OK, and I'm running such
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and such a time, you know, I need a full ride at your
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university. Oh, you, you'll be surprised at,
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you know, the type of type of emails, you know, that we get.
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So I say like, do your research, do your research on, you know,
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what scores in the conference. So a lot of times college
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coaches like you're not getting a big scholarship if you can't
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come in and score right away. You know, you know, they can
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give you some money, but the more versatile you are, the more
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valuable you are, the more money you can get.
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And if you're a 1 trick pony, that's all you can do.
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And you're not going unless you are a guaranteed national
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champion. Guaranteed.
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You know the that say you're not really getting the full ride.
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Research the divisions. Track and field is one of those
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sports to where you can be successful anywhere.
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It doesn't matter what division, Division One, division two,
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Division Three, you've had Olympians that have gone
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Division Three, we've had Olympians that's gone NAIA,
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which our our university is. So do your research.
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I think the biggest thing is finding a program that is good
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for you, finding a coach that you believe in, that believes in
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you and y'all have a plan to get you to where you want to be.
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This is a this is a don't and this is more so for like high
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school coaches and also a high school coach.
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Sometimes high school coaches sometimes reach out to college
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coaches and say, Hey, I have this kid, I have this, you know,
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young lady, that would be great for your program, XY and Z.
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And then, OK, so we we reach out and we talked to the the student
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athlete and the student athlete, if they're from Florida, Oh, I
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don't want to go that far. So like high school coaches, you
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know, I do for you. Like when you're helping your
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student athletes find programs or looking for programs, ask
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them what are they looking for? Yeah.
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You know, so I I get it all the time.
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Oh, coach, you know, like I ain't really trying to go that
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far from home. Well, yeah, your high school
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coach just told me like he was interested in you.
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So it's just like communicate, just communicate on, on, on all
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levels, express what you want, express what you're looking for.
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For us here, we have, you know, developmental athletes, we have,
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you know, I consider top tier athletes, you know, we have a
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range. And so for me, it's here.
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And this is a, a plug to CMU, you know, since you know, since
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I'm, since I'm on, it's more so like your mindset.
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So I don't have a problem with taking a developmental athlete
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and, and, and working with them if you have the right, right
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mindset. I like to be around like minded
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people. And Nick Saban said high
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achievers don't like mediocre people and mediocre people don't
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like high achievements like I, I believe in that.
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So I'm just looking for somebody that wants to be elite at
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everything they do. I have a standard of excellence
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the way like everything matters to me, The little details matter
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to me. We're in a sport to where a 10th
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of a second could be the difference between you sitting
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in the stands and you being in the final 1/10 of a second,
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100th of a second could be the difference between a contract, a
29:13
gold medal or nothing at all. So when you have that mindset
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that, you know, perspective, it changes like what you need to do
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to be great. And so I don't believe if you're
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going to put if you're going to do something, you got to be
29:28
elite at it, at least how to be elite.
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You know, we not going, you know, excuse my language half
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ass, you know, anything that we do.
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And so like in recruiting at central Methodist, you know,
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that's what I'm looking for. Can you be great in the
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classroom? Can you be great in life?
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Can you be great on track? If you can do that, this is the
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place for you. If you looking for some other
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stuff, this ain't this ain't it. I'm not it.
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It's. Got to fit.
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I think you draw some good Nuggets here because a lot of
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coaches, and I've done this, I'm guilty of this too, right?
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I think I got a good athlete, right?
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I think they'd be great because I know the coach.
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I'm like, oh man, I see what you do.
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This would be perfect. But again, you got to go back
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and ask that athlete, hey, where are you willing to go?
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Yeah, yeah. What?
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What part of the country? That's one of the questions I
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started asking a few years ago. Hey, what part of the country do
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you are you willing to go to right?
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Do you want to stay in the southeast?
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You want to go up north? Are you OK going out West?
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Are you going to are you OK with going away?
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You know, and then but. You want big, but you want
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small, Yeah. Right.
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Yeah, yeah. So you're on point, right.
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So I think that's a good call out for coaches.
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