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FEMALE REMAINS JUST FOUND near scenic parkway, body of mom of 5 Crystal Rogers? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace as we go to air
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  Speaker 1: remains have been found? Are they the remains of a
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  Speaker 1: gorgeous young mom just thirty five years old? Cracking a
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  Speaker 1: five year old so called cold case. There's never been
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  Speaker 1: an arrest. I Dancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you for being with us. First of all, take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to our friends at WHAS eleven. According to the police,
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  Speaker 1: the discovery was near the border of Nelson and Washington County.
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  Speaker 1: Sources close to the case tell us it's a location
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  Speaker 1: near where she was last seen alive in July of
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  Speaker 1: twenty fifteen. Police say that they became aware of the
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  Speaker 1: remains on Thursday and called in the FBI Evidence Response
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  Speaker 1: Team on Friday due to the difficult to reach location.
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  Speaker 1: Right now, those possible human remains are on the way
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  Speaker 1: to the FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia for testing. We
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  Speaker 1: keep hearing the word remains difficult to rain. FBI remains
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  Speaker 1: sent to Quantico. Again, Thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: Has the case of missing Mom Crystal Rogers Finally big
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  Speaker 1: crack joining me an all star panel to break you
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  Speaker 1: down and put it back together again. Judge, trial lawyer,
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  Speaker 1: anchor Court TV. Ashley Wilcot at Ashley Wilcott dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalist, joining us from LA. You can
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  Speaker 1: find her at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. Director of
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  Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute, Crime scene expert Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: former Chief medical Examiner for the entire state of Georgia.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Chris Sperry, but first to Fallon Glick joining me
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  Speaker 1: from w d RB, Louisville. Fallon, thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. You know, I noticed that they said law
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  Speaker 1: enforcement became aware of the remains. How did they find
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  Speaker 1: out about these human remains? Well, that still under wraps
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  Speaker 1: by police right now. Everything involving the case with Crystal
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  Speaker 1: Rogers is really tight lipped, and it has been since
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  Speaker 1: day one. And that's I think what's really frustrating with
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  Speaker 1: this case that you don't hear any information really ever
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  Speaker 1: from police anytime they hear of remains or they do
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  Speaker 1: a search. There's just very little information that is released
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  Speaker 1: to the public. To Cheryl McCollum, founder and director of
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  Speaker 1: the Coal Case Research Institute, Cheryl, thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. I don't quite know. With so much interest
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  Speaker 1: in Crystal Rogers case, how the case quote went cold?
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  Speaker 1: What does it tell you that we are learning the
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  Speaker 1: police were quote made aware of the remains and now
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  Speaker 1: the FBI is involved. It says somebody came upon something,
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  Speaker 1: whether it was her remains or a clandestine grave, there
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  Speaker 1: was somebody left into this place. From what I understand,
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  Speaker 1: the terrain is very difficult to get to. What do
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  Speaker 1: you mean why does everybody keep saying the terrain is difficult?
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  Speaker 1: Is it heavily wooded? Is that mountainous? Is it down
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  Speaker 1: a ravine? It looks like there's a there's a pretty
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  Speaker 1: decent grave, probably a ninety degree angle, so you know,
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  Speaker 1: getting to it with equipment would be difficult. Um, you know,
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  Speaker 1: making sure that everything is gathered correctly. Again, you need
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  Speaker 1: a team of people when the terrain is difficult to
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  Speaker 1: In other words, it's not just like you drive up
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  Speaker 1: and there's a you know, a body lay there on
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  Speaker 1: the flat surface and you can work it easily. This
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  Speaker 1: you're going to be at an angle. You know things
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  Speaker 1: are not gonna you know, sit straight, and you know
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  Speaker 1: they could possibly roll further down. So wherever the remains were,
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  Speaker 1: it's difficult for law enforcement to work as a crime sing.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Another I have with this is that it's
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  Speaker 1: apparently five miles away from the last place she was seen,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm very surprised that tracker dogs didn't find her,
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  Speaker 1: especially if you take into light Doctor Bethany Marshall, Psycho
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  Speaker 1: Alan's joining me out of Beverly Hills. Do you recall
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  Speaker 1: on the Lacy Peterson case, tracker dogs actually tracked Lacy's
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  Speaker 1: remains from her home in Modesto their own cavina all
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  Speaker 1: the way to the San Francisco Bay, about a forty
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  Speaker 1: minute drive, and tracker dogs followed her scent that far,
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  Speaker 1: but not in this case. Do you remember that? I
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  Speaker 1: remember that so clearly. Yes, the tracker dogs picked up
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  Speaker 1: a scent, they followed the trail. And the fact that
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  Speaker 1: in this case, this mom of five went missing and
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  Speaker 1: they were not able to track her, and then there's
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  Speaker 1: a shallow grave or or some kind of a grave.
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  Speaker 1: Five wait, it's kind of shocking. I don't know the
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  Speaker 1: science of tracker dogs, but it does make me wonder
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  Speaker 1: a little bit about the investigation itself and the motivation
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  Speaker 1: of the police department, and why this wasn't down a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more thoroughly. We don't know what happened regarding
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  Speaker 1: tracker dogs, but I do know this about the location.
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  Speaker 1: There was a social media post by Nelson County Sheriff's office,
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  Speaker 1: the state they quote become aware of possible human remains
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  Speaker 1: near the border of Nelson and Washington Counties. We understand
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  Speaker 1: the search was near Pascal Ballard Lake. Excuse me, Pascal
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  Speaker 1: Ballard Lane. Joining me, Ashley Willcot, doctor Bethany Marshall, Cheryl McCollum,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Chris Sperry, and Fallon Glick. Right now, take a
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  Speaker 1: listen to what we are learning from w d RBS
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  Speaker 1: Fallon Glick. The nightmares started over Fourth of July weekend
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  Speaker 1: in twenty fifteen. Detectives say Chris Rogers, a mom of
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  Speaker 1: five kids, was last seen on July third by her
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  Speaker 1: boyfriend at the time, Brook's house. I was calling and
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  Speaker 1: next thing and she wasn't answering and nobody could get
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  Speaker 1: out whatever. Sherry Ballard, Crystal's mom, still remembers in vivid
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  Speaker 1: detail the day she went to the police station to
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  Speaker 1: report Crystal missing. I remember later on them telling me
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  Speaker 1: what could be a year before we find any answers,
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  Speaker 1: and I was just shocked. I'm like, there's no way.
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  Speaker 1: I'm waiting a year to find my daughter. Little did
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  Speaker 1: anyone know it would be much longer. When her car
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  Speaker 1: was found abandoned on the Bluegrass Parkway with her belonging
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  Speaker 1: still inside, it didn't offer any clues. Okay, we have
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  Speaker 1: been asking and wondering about whether track or dogs were used,
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  Speaker 1: and why they didn't come up with anything. Well, take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to our friends, Shame McCallister. So, I can't
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  Speaker 1: figure why she would walk away from the car and
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  Speaker 1: leave the purse there when we took the bloodhounds up there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they had her things that you provided us
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  Speaker 1: for sin and they said it was as though she
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  Speaker 1: was not even there. I can't explain that. I don't
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  Speaker 1: understand what that means. I don't know why. If it's
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  Speaker 1: her car and she leaves in at some time friday nn,
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  Speaker 1: why does it appear to the dogs that she's not
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  Speaker 1: even there. I agree with this. Same set of bloodhounds
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  Speaker 1: tracked you all tracked her in the car from forty nine,
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  Speaker 1: and they had never been to your arm's farm before,
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  Speaker 1: tracked you as her scent all the way down forty nine,
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  Speaker 1: turned on Balltown Road and turned on Pascal Ballard as
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  Speaker 1: though they were following your car. So I know the
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  Speaker 1: dog is not defective because they're following her sin and
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  Speaker 1: they don't know where your mom is. They never visitary
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  Speaker 1: for her, So the dog's nose is not defective. So
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  Speaker 1: when the dog doesn't even try to find her on
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  Speaker 1: the parkway where her car, it's just very hard to me.
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  Speaker 1: And I can't figure out why they wouldn't find any
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  Speaker 1: sense of her at all if she walked one way
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  Speaker 1: or another. You are hearing Detective John Snow speaking and
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  Speaker 1: he's explaining that the dogs, the tracker dogs, were taken
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  Speaker 1: to Crystal Roger's car where it was left abandoned on
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  Speaker 1: a parkway, but they picked up nothing. Crime Stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace for those of you just joining us, have
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  Speaker 1: the remains of a mom of five finally been found,
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  Speaker 1: cracking a five year old so called cold case. There's
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  Speaker 1: never been an arrest, sumptions gossip that she quote ran away.
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  Speaker 1: I never believed any of that at But why didn't
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  Speaker 1: the dogs pick up her scent where these remains were found?
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  Speaker 1: Why didn't the dogs pick up the scent near her
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  Speaker 1: vehicle that was abandoned? You know, Cheryl McCallum, Director, Coal
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  Speaker 1: Case Research Institute. I can think of a lot of
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  Speaker 1: reasons the dogs did not pick up her scent where
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  Speaker 1: her car was parked. Oh, I can think of one
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  Speaker 1: major reason that detective does not believe she drove that
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  Speaker 1: car there. She was believe that car. That's right, that
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  Speaker 1: car was left there along with her person's cell phone,
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  Speaker 1: and somebody deliberately flattened that tire as a staging mechanism
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  Speaker 1: to make law enforce that believe. Oh my gosh, she
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  Speaker 1: had tire trouble and somebody must have snatched her too.
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  Speaker 1: Fallon Glick joining me from w d RB Louisville. Fallon,
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  Speaker 1: what can you tell me? Let's start with the location
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  Speaker 1: offer a vehicle and how it was found. So her
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  Speaker 1: car was found off to the side on the Bluegrass Parkway,
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  Speaker 1: kind of out of town. And what was really weird
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  Speaker 1: according to family, is that they say Crystal had no
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  Speaker 1: reason to be driving in that direction. She doesn't go
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  Speaker 1: that way ever, So they thought it was first of all,
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  Speaker 1: very strange that that car would be there. And from
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  Speaker 1: day one they thought there's no way Crystal drove that car,
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  Speaker 1: and there's no way she would have gotten out on
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  Speaker 1: her own just leaving, and there's no way she wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have called her dad or another family member if if
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  Speaker 1: she did in fact have a flat tire. They don't
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  Speaker 1: believe for one minute that she was ever in that
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  Speaker 1: car driving it to the Bluegrass Parkway where it was left.
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  Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott joining me judge and trial lawyer, Court TV
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  Speaker 1: anchor at Ashley Wilcott dot com. Ashley, Clearly, in my mind,
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  Speaker 1: the scene was staged. She wasn't the purse and the
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  Speaker 1: cell phonem still in the car. Yep, that's my understanding
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  Speaker 1: they were, And I think that the valid point and
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  Speaker 1: the really thing to think about is that there were
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  Speaker 1: no sense picked up by the dog. And staging a scene, right,
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  Speaker 1: is what when somebody is involved in the disappearance of
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  Speaker 1: a person happens. That's what they do to throw the
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  Speaker 1: police off. As a matter of fact, Cheryl McCall, I'm
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  Speaker 1: picking up on what Ashley Wilcott just said. I've never ever,
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  Speaker 1: in all the cases I investigated, prosecuted, or covered, seen
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  Speaker 1: a random killer stage the scene. They grab the person
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  Speaker 1: to take off, they kill the person to take off,
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  Speaker 1: They commit the burglary and leave, no staging, nothing, to
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  Speaker 1: keep them at the scene, they have no reason to.
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  Speaker 1: Staging only happens when you have some sort of connection
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  Speaker 1: to the victim. Explain absolutely correct, Nancy. So if you
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  Speaker 1: have a connection to the victim, then you have to
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  Speaker 1: make an appear and though you were nowhere near them,
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  Speaker 1: you don't know anything about it. So you do little
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  Speaker 1: things again like her person's cell phone conveniently being left there,
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  Speaker 1: a tire being saddened. If this was a stranger time,
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  Speaker 1: if your goal is to kidnap somebody, you grab them
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  Speaker 1: and you go, what are they doing with her while
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  Speaker 1: they're flattening the tire and making sure her phone and
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  Speaker 1: purse are visible? And just so easily, you know, seeing
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  Speaker 1: as somebody going into the car. I mean, if you
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  Speaker 1: don't have a flat tire, why in the world would
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  Speaker 1: you get out of your car without your phone and leave?
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  Speaker 1: The boyfriend is more than that. Yeah, you're the night.
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  Speaker 1: It's in the middle of the night. He claims he
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  Speaker 1: went to bed, she was in the bed with him,
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  Speaker 1: and he wakes up she's not there. So you want
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  Speaker 1: me now to believe that a mother of five, for
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  Speaker 1: some odd reason, grabs her purseon's cell phone and drives
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  Speaker 1: down a road she ain't never been on in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the night for no apparent reason, and has
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  Speaker 1: a flat tire. Well. The disappearance of Crystal Rogers is
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  Speaker 1: part of an even deeper mystery in the Artstown area.
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  Speaker 1: You heard earlier Cheryl McCollum wondering why she didn't call
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  Speaker 1: her dad. No, no, no, that was falling glick. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen to shay McAlister. Tommy and his grandson pull
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  Speaker 1: onto the private property which butts up against the Bluegrass
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  Speaker 1: Parkway at six fifty Trenton stands next to his papa
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  Speaker 1: when a blast rings out. A single shot rips into
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  Speaker 1: Tommy's chest. That single gunshot is heard across the fields,
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  Speaker 1: splitting through the morning air. Casey's wife hears the gunshot
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  Speaker 1: from their home. My son heard the gunshot, and I
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  Speaker 1: remember Casey saying, dain't daddy already got a deer? I
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  Speaker 1: mean they had just got out the truck. Tommy reaches
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  Speaker 1: for Trenton and tells him he's been shot and to
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  Speaker 1: start looking through his clothes for his phone. Tommy's trying
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  Speaker 1: to speak, but he can't breathe. At six fifty five,
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  Speaker 1: Sherry has fallen back to sleep, when her phone rings
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  Speaker 1: and call me and I couldn't hardly understanding. He's like,
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  Speaker 1: my mom, Peppo has been shot. I was panicking, you know,
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  Speaker 1: I was trying to throw my clothes on and I
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  Speaker 1: don't Trenton. I said, I'm gonna call nine one one.
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  Speaker 1: I said, I will call Casey. And you know, I'm
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  Speaker 1: scared because Trenton's there and I don't know what's going on.
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  Speaker 1: She hangs up and frantically dials nine while getting dressed
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  Speaker 1: and running to her car. So, after Crystal Rogers goes missing,
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  Speaker 1: the one of the few people she could call for
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  Speaker 1: help and that were intimately connected to her, her dad
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  Speaker 1: suddenly is killed. But apparently a lot of people don't
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  Speaker 1: see a connection. Listen to Bardstown, Kentucky State Police Trooper
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  Speaker 1: Scotty Sharpe was a detective when Tommy was shot. He
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  Speaker 1: arrived on the scene just before eight a m. We
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  Speaker 1: came out and on Tommy Ballard. Of course, he was
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  Speaker 1: shot on the edge of the Bluegrass Parkway. So we
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  Speaker 1: have worked since that day diligently working all three cases
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  Speaker 1: and working in cooperation with the Nelson Kenny Sheriff's Office.
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  Speaker 1: In the disappearance of Crystal Rogers. Way, is there any
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  Speaker 1: connection between Crystal and Tommy's cases, Well, right now, that's
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  Speaker 1: still part of the investigation, so at first and ongoing,
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  Speaker 1: apparently no connection made. Joining me right now, renowned medical examiner,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Chris Sperry, Doctor Sperry, thank you for being with us.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I remember and I remember discussing this case
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  Speaker 1: with you at the time, prosecuting a high profile murder
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  Speaker 1: case that involved an arson of a millionaire's wife. He lived,
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  Speaker 1: she died, and she was covered in bruises. That's unusual
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  Speaker 1: to die smoke inhalation and be covered in bruises, that said,
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Sperry, That case really brought it home to me,
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  Speaker 1: the true fact that medical examiners look at extrinsic evidence
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  Speaker 1: when they determine cod and mod manner of death. For instance,
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  Speaker 1: in that case, the medical examiner took into account that
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  Speaker 1: all the husband's suits and dressues were removed from the home,
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  Speaker 1: all of his family photos of his family and relatives
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  Speaker 1: were removed from the home before the fire. About twenty
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  Speaker 1: four hours before the fire, he checked the weather Network,
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  Speaker 1: a call in resource, to find out if it would rain.
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  Speaker 1: The day of the fire. He called his insurance before
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  Speaker 1: the accidental fire to find out if the fire insurance
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  Speaker 1: covered rental furniture after the house burned down, and then
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  Speaker 1: lo and behole seventy two hours later the house burned down.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so much circumstantial evidence, and the
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  Speaker 1: medical examiner did look at that evidence when making a conclusion. Here,
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  Speaker 1: you've got a young mom missing and then suddenly her
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  Speaker 1: dad is shot dead. Would a medical examiner take that
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  Speaker 1: into account? Oh? Absolutely, I mean there's there are no
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  Speaker 1: coincidences really when it comes to deaths that occur in
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  Speaker 1: a family, you know, close to close together, unless there's
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  Speaker 1: some documentation someone dies in the hospital of the natural
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  Speaker 1: disease or something like that. But a mysterious disappearance, you know,
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  Speaker 1: followed by other family member being shot, that's incredibly suspicious.
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  Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace, guys were talking about human
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  Speaker 1: remains that have just been found. Are they the remains
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  Speaker 1: of a young mom of five? Crystal Rogers take a
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  Speaker 1: lesson to whas Crystal and Brooks shared a home and
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  Speaker 1: together had a son. The couple and their toddler were
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  Speaker 1: together the last night Crystal was known to be alive. Supposedly,
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  Speaker 1: they went to the farm and they walked back in
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  Speaker 1: the field to feed the cows. My daughter's not going
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  Speaker 1: to walk back in the field in the poorneil rain,
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  Speaker 1: especially with her baby. I just don't see her doing that.
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  Speaker 1: And then they left the farm and went back home,
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  Speaker 1: and Brooks went to bed, and Crystal was still up
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  Speaker 1: on her phone and Eli was running around playing, and
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  Speaker 1: supposedly she was not there when he got up. She
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  Speaker 1: was just gone gone. But Sherry ball says Brooks didn't
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  Speaker 1: tell anyone his girlfriend was missing. Sherry didn't know her
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  Speaker 1: daughter was missing until days later. And when it was
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  Speaker 1: Sunday and she still hasn't called, I started panicking. Sherry
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  Speaker 1: and her husband Tommy, rushed to the Nelson County Sheriff's
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  Speaker 1: office to file a missing person's report. Okay, that's interesting
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  Speaker 1: right there to you filing glig w d RB Louisville.
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  Speaker 1: Who filed the missing person's report, That would be Sherry Ballard.
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  Speaker 1: She ended up seeing Brooks howk in a parking lot
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  Speaker 1: somewhere in town and had been talking to him wondering
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  Speaker 1: where Crystal was and why hasn't she been calling her
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  Speaker 1: back or answering any of her text messages? And she goes, well,
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  Speaker 1: have you filed a police report? And he said no,
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  Speaker 1: And then she goes, well, shouldn't you do that? And
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  Speaker 1: he goes, well, maybe you should, and then she goes, well,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to go straight to the police department, and
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  Speaker 1: that's what she did. I don't like that right there, doctor,
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  Speaker 1: City Marshall, Psychoellens joining me out of LA that they
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  Speaker 1: basically go t for tad on who's going to call
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  Speaker 1: the police, Nancy. I don't like it one bit. Can
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  Speaker 1: you imagine you're sleeping in bed with your spouse or
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  Speaker 1: in this case, his girlfriend, mother of five children. You
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  Speaker 1: wake up, she's gone. Not only is she gone, but
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  Speaker 1: now you have five kids in your care and your charge,
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  Speaker 1: who are asking for mommy? You know, mommy, mommy, mommy,
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  Speaker 1: where's mommy? You're taking care of them, you're feeding them,
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  Speaker 1: hopefully he was. But you're not wondering where the mother
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  Speaker 1: of those five children is. I mean, maybe I'm she relaxed.
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  Speaker 1: But whenever I see anything, I call nine one one.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they've got me on record by now. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen to our cut
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  Speaker 1: five wha s. The mayor cited the reasons for the
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  Speaker 1: termination include a phone call he made to his brother
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  Speaker 1: warning him about an interview the sheriff's department planned to conduct.
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  Speaker 1: He also failed polygraph exam and then refused to cooperate
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  Speaker 1: for an interview with the Nelson County Sheriff's Department. Sheriff
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: Mattingly says he's not worthy of being a police officer.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: He then made it very clear that he believes Rogers
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: is dead. Okay, since suddenly the brother of the boyfriend
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: is fired from the police department, what happened foulon glick.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: So basically they brought in the Howe brothers for questioning.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: That is the boyfriend that last saw her alive, and
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: his brother who's on the police department. Okay, what police
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: department was that the Bartstown Police department, Okay, and he
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: had been there for about eight and a half years
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: or so, the brother, Nick Howk, and they had brought
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: in Brooks Howk for questioning, and they also brought in
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: his brother, Nick Howe, the police officer. And during that
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: exchange of questioning and talking about his polygraph results which
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: he did not pass. He is very difficult, the brother
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: or the police officer, brother or the boyfriend, so Brooks
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: Howe's polygraph results came back inconclusive. That's the boyfriend, the boyfriend,
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: Nick how the brother, and the police officer. He did
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: not pass the polygraph test. Every time they asked him
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: a question about Crystal Rogers and her whereabouts. The investigator
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: said it spiked as a major lie, and the FBI said,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I'm no longer asking you if you know where Crystell is.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: He goes, I know you know where she is based
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: off these results, the reason why he was fired. Cheryl McCollum.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: That looks really bad, but we know the police officer
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: brother apparently called the boyfriend and said, hey, they want
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: to interview you. Is that grounds for firing someone? Cheryl
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: McCollum absolutely, I mean to me, it's the standard procedure
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: in a police department. Is conduct you unbecoming if you
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: do anything where you're you know, harmon an investigation, trying
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: to you know, make something look like it's not forthcoming.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: If you're not honest, of course they can argue for that.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: There's more to meet to this than anything. Remember her
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: car that's abandoned on that road in the middle of nowhere.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Whoever drove that car had to have a way to
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: get home. So now you have a brother involved who's lying.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: Perhaps that's how somebody got home. There was another car involved.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: It seems as if the plot is thickening, and in
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the last hours we learn remains have been found about
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: five miles from where Crystal Rogers was last seen alive
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: to ye found and glick w d RB, Louisville, where
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: her five children been while mommy's been gone. Well, the
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: youngest child, who is the child of Broth, Crystal and Brooks,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: he's been in custody of Brooks house this whole time,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and then her other children have been staying with Crystal's mom,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Sherry Ballard. Mmmmmm okay, guys, I want you to hear
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: from Shane McCallister Brooks how interview with detectives. Listen, he
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: had a little fire win with that after etipy Walker,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: before Egypi Walker. I know we fed the callis first
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: because I want to do that as quickly where we
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: had still plenty of anyway. I don't know if I
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: lived the fire before we walked back here. When I
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: got back, I could have done it either where I
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: don't remember. After the fire and with their toddler and toe.
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: Brooks says, he and Crystal take a walk, doesn't to me,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: And I've got a couple of kids, you know, but
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: everybody parents a little differently. To me. It seems a
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: little late to be got on the farm with the
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: two and a half year whereas he had at midnight,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: as he has, he'd been asleep in the car for
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: a while, as he staid while opening a hill form anybody,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: he's used so used to sleep and so later in
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: the morning his normal day. It's his seven eight o'clock
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: in the evening, really eleven, because she sleeps much later
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: in the morning. She stays up. So yeah, it's always
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: been that way to midnight. He's wow, did you go
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: straight home on Friday night? Or did y'all stop somewhere
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: or because I'm thinking that that's their normal seven eight
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: o'clock in the evening, it might be dinner time. Did
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: you stop and eat something or did you go straight home?
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: We did not eat anything. I want it straight home. Okay,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: So he went straight home. So if we assume that
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: he's correct, in about ten minutes after midnight, okay, you
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: are hearing the boyfriend Brooks Huck speaking to detect his
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: brooks Out and you know Selon would call him. You
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: and I've lived through a lot of trials together. I
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: would be playing that first, I do emotion before trial,
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: to allow it before the jury. I would try every
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: way I could to play that in the opening statement.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: That might be difficult because something has to be entered
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: into evidence before you can show it or played for
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: the jury. But right there, hopefully i'd have a jury
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: full of moms and dads. It's the last thing you
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: want to have your two and a half year old
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: up at midnight, because you know what that means. You're
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: up at midnight. That's what that means. Now true, Cheryl,
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: As you will know, John, David and I and Lucy
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: being dragged along, have stayed up all summer every night
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: watching Kung Fu movies till one thirty or two o'clock
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: in the morning. But for a two year old, that's
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: a whole nother thing, Cheryl, I would play that first
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: chance I got to a jury. Of course, let me
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: point out the boyfriend brooks Out says he's innocent. What
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: about that statement, Cheryl McCallum, Oh, I think you would
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: play that up. I think you would play the fact
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: that his brother and wouldn't pass up, couldn't pass a polygraph.
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: I think you would also do what you did so
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: well and so beautifully, Nancy is basically you would explain
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: to a jury people are commonly murdered for only three reasons. Sex, money,
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: and revenge. That's it. So in this situation, if the
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: remains show that she was not sexually assaulted, clearly her
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: car wasn't taken, her phone wasn't taken, her purse wasn't taken,
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: So money wasn't the motive that leaves us with revenge
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: crime stories With Nancy Grace, Guys, we are talking about
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: the remains just found in a remote area we believe
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: down a ravine. Are they the remains of Crystal Rogers?
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: Now Rodgers was last seen, this young mother of five,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: she just turned thirty five, about five miles away from
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: where the remains are found. And you know, doctor Chris Sperry,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: former chief medical Examiner for the entire state of Georgia.
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: If it's not her, I'd like to find out who
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: it is. Do we have another missing person, another missing
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: female that happened to be five miles and where Crystal
• 28:23
  Speaker 1: was last seen alive? Doctor Chris Sperry. Let's assume it's
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: a heavily wooded area. It may or may not be
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: the remains in a shallow grave at this juncture, several
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: years after she goes missing. How do you expect what
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: condition do you believe those remains would be in, doctor
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: Sperry skeletonized, That is, all of the soft tissues would
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: be gone, and actually the bones would be very dry.
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: It takes about a year after a body starts decomposed
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: before they lose the oily, greasy feeling from just decomposing
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: fat material. After that, they're dry, and they would be
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: scattered over an area, sometimes a large area because of
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: animal activity. Coyotes, raccoons, possums, all sorts of different animals
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: that will eat anything. They're just foragers that will eat
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: the dead human just like they would a dead deer.
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: But they tend to drag pieces off and they're scattered
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: all around, So it would be fairly a large search area.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: It could be easily one hundred yards two hundred yards
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: in diameter. I was just thinking about the way that
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: that just rolled off the tip of your tongues. Berry well,
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: about animals taking chunks of a human body, and running
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: away with it. Well, or do you ever hear yourself? Well,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: of course we're just we're just, you know, we just
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: happen to inhabit a portion of the food chain that
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: then you know, we think we're at the top of
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the food chain, but we're really not. Well, who do
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: you think is oh? I think well anything. I hate
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: to cross example my any witness, but you put it
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: out there. Do you think at the top of the
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: food chain? Who I think is at the top of
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: the food chain? Oh, lions, tigers, you know. I mean,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: we're lucky that we can catch them, but people, do
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: you know they're in the cages right, yeah, in the cages.
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: But if you if you put yourself face to face
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: food one, you know who will probably would? Yeah, you're
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: right about that, doctor Sperry. I would love to continue
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: cross examining you on that, but let me move forward
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: with the fact that remains have just been found the
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: Barstown Police tip line five zero two three four eight
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: heat five or two three four eight four three two eight.
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: You know, uh, Fan and glick, it's been a long
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: time coming. I'm trying to figure out how they quote
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: became aware of remains. If the remains are down a
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: re en or if they're in a shallow grave. We
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: know tracker dogs didn't tell police, So who possibly could
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: have tipped police off about this location? Well, a lot
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: of times when remains are found in the area, and
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: that sounds weird to say, because there are remains that
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: are found in and around Nelson County, but seems to
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: be quite often. But it's usually just a random person
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: that comes upon these remains. Maybe they're out hiking or
• 31:32
  Speaker 1: walking or kayaking or something, and that's typically how remains
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: are typically found in this area. Crystal Rogers goes missing
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: July three, two and fifteen, last seen in the company
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: of her boyfriend brooks How. They have a little boy together.
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: The little boy is currently with his bio dad. His
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: four siblings are with her mother. What happened to Crystal
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: Rogers in the last hours. Remains have been found five
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: miles away from where Crystal was last alive. Take a
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: listen to brook How speaking to Detective John Snow, I
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: probably I probably woke up around you know, in between
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: that time May six or seven o'clock and then I left.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: You know, I got give my normal thing, put you know,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: change my clothes, putting my clothes on and and uh
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: and headed out, you know shortly after that, you know.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So you get up in twenty six and seven, and
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: where's Eli at when you wake up? He's next to me.
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: He's in the bed with you. M okay, so you
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: get up, just he get up with you. He's still
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: he's still sleep on ever where I whenever I get up,
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: But I go to uh, you know, the bathroom and
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: all that kind of stuff, and he's still sleeping, sleeping
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: there on the bed. But Crystal isn't there when he
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: gets out. Yes, I noticed, I mean I noticed that
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: she wasn't there. I didn't know what was I didn't
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: know exactly what too they. I don't know what time
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: I called her, Yes, I called her that morning. Brooks
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: takes his son to the farm, but his lack of
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: concern for Crystal's whereabouts gives the detective pause, and he
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: probes on a Saturday morning, and my wife wasn't with
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: me in the mid as is normal. If she were not,
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: probably the first thing I would do would be hard
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: or find out where she was. He's absolutely right, you
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: are actually hearing the boyfriend Brooks hout Age thirty eight,
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: speaking to the detective about the morning Crystal Roger seemingly disappeared.
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: To ask you, Wilcot judge and trial lawyer, court TV anchor,
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: you can find her, asked you Wilcott dot com. Do
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: you remember the case of Susan Powell? Remember her husband,
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Josh Powell takes her and the little boys. Wait, no,
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: he says, he just takes the little boys, tiny tiny
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: boys out to go camping at midnight and literally freezing temperatures.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: And coincidentally, that's the night Susan Powell goes missing, never
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: to be seen again. Her body has never been found.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: And when the little boys are asked what happened to mommy,
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: they drew a picture of Mommy inside daddy's car trunk.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: Dis reminds me of that, Ashley, because he's saying, at midnight,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: they decide to go take their little boy, they're two
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: year old, for a walk. Yeah, it doesn't pass the
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: smell test. I also want to talk about people who disappear.
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: A people don't just disappear. Be Statistically, those who choose
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: to run away are not mothers. Specifically, of five children
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and a two year old taking a walk at midnight,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: none of that passed the smell test, and the reality
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: is a mother of five children doesn't just disappear. Guys
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: were talking, You have a question jup in do we well?
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: I keep wondering about the boyfriend. He wakes up, his
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: wife's not in bed. He says they were out at
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: midnight with a two year old, which obviously it's not true.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: But do we know if he was dating somebody or
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: having an affair. There seems like such lack of details
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: around her disappearance and what was happening in the relationship
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: at the time. What do we know w d RB,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: What do we know about the state of their relationship?
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: So at the end of their relationship in terms of
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: her going missing, Crystel's mom, Sherry Ballard, actually had a
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: conversation with her in their driveway right before she went missing,
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: and Cristel had said that she was going to leave him,
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: and she has all his tax information and it's hidden
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: in a box somewhere, and Sherry never asked any follow
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: up questions because she thought it was very strange. And
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: that's one thing that Harry regrets to this day is
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: not asking more questions about that one little thing that
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: Crystal had said. And so that raises suspicion in the
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: family because it just came out of the blue and
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Crystal was saying it. Also, I want to point out
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: that shortly after Crystal disappeared, Brooks how started dating another
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: woman whose name is also Crystal, who is also a
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: blonde woman, and they have some similarities. Is she missing?
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: She is not missing. They are still together. Okay at
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: this juncture, are fouling lick w d RB. What is
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: the status? Are we waiting to find out the autopsy
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: results and whether this body can be identified as Crystal Rogers. Yes,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: we are waiting on that information to get all the
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: details from the lab and Quantico back to us here
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: in Barstown. Police say they're not going to release any
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: further in until that comes back. And family has also
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: being very very tight lipped right now. They're asking for
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: respect to the family and they just basically want to
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: not talk right now. Up until now, this was a
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: quote no body case. Has it all changed? We wait
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: as just as unfolds. Nancy Grace Crime Stories signing off
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,