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II. Mastering your Patterns with Lisa Donovan · Deeply Well with Devi Brown

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Speaker 1: From grandmothers who whispered in their baby girl ill two
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Speaker 1: fathers on dimly lit street corners, instructing young soldiers to
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Speaker 1: always keep their eyes open. You be queen, you were fired.
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Speaker 1: You will pass through centuries on the hands of your daughters.
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Speaker 1: They called you wisdom. Proverbs on the backs of diamond
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Speaker 1: eyed school children who groom into hymnals recited by amethyst
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Speaker 1: holding urban philosophers who recited neighborhood commandments out of the
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Speaker 1: windows of restored Alchemedo cheriots. To keep the warmth of
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Speaker 1: their blood. Be wise, be smart, being black, Opal Brown courts,
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Speaker 1: bloodstone and prayer. Be every form of jim s. King told, scribe, scribe,
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Speaker 1: told son, son, told wife, wife told her daughter, and
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Speaker 1: daughter told the sisters, and the ancestors told me that
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Speaker 1: you would come to give you wisdom. Thus they said
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Speaker 1: you would come. Dropping Roping. Welcome to the Dropping Gems podcast.
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Speaker 1: I'm Debbie Brown. This is my show, and this is
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Speaker 1: part two of our episode with Lisa Donovan, the founder
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Speaker 1: of the pattern. Lisa is brilliant and so profoundly creative
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Speaker 1: and such a beautiful soul to be in conversation with.
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Speaker 1: So if you've already savored Part one. Welcome to Part
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Speaker 1: two or diving even deeper, and we are going to
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Speaker 1: be exploring how to use the pattern in relationship with others,
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Speaker 1: how to use the pattern in dating. And I got
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Speaker 1: a special story about someone that I ran my bond
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Speaker 1: with that blew me l A. So let's dive right
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Speaker 1: back into it. Welcome to Part two, Dropping Gems with
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Speaker 1: Lisa Donovan. You blow my mind, Lisa. I just want
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Speaker 1: to say, like your work is it's just I mean
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Speaker 1: you you refer to it as an offering, and it
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Speaker 1: really is a spectacular offering to humanity. The writing, the
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Speaker 1: psychological depth and understanding, Like I just this app is
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Speaker 1: just breathtaking. There's this feature that you have an app
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Speaker 1: that I love and I want to talk about what
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Speaker 1: you just unveiled too. But within the app there's this
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Speaker 1: like beautiful configuration you can do called running bonds and
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Speaker 1: it is my god, talk about a hack for life, like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god. You can connect with friends on the app.
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Speaker 1: You can also plug in you can create a profile
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Speaker 1: for someone that is not on the app and plug
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Speaker 1: in their info. I am definitely the person Lisa that
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Speaker 1: hits everyone and says, Okay, what's your birth time, give
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Speaker 1: me the location, the date of the time, and I'll
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Speaker 1: get back to you after I run our bond. Oh,
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Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you. That's how I want everybody
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Speaker 1: to be you and use that how you use it.
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Speaker 1: It is. It's powerful, though, because you know it's what's
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Speaker 1: interesting is there will be sometimes they can be surprising,
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Speaker 1: like there are people that I'm really close with that
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Speaker 1: it says we actually are very unlike each other. And
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Speaker 1: it's so interesting because it brings you into a space
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Speaker 1: of like, okay, but see that doesn't now I know
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Speaker 1: what to work with, and it brings you into grace
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Speaker 1: for even more people in your life right that that
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Speaker 1: feel like hardships or feel like challenges, because then you
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Speaker 1: can investigate, well, what is the trigger? What is it
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Speaker 1: that comes up? And I remember there there was one
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Speaker 1: person in my life who we just we really like
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Speaker 1: each other and we really enjoy each other, but we
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Speaker 1: just without meaning to trigger the hell out of each other,
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Speaker 1: like they're there are very fundamental pieces about the way
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Speaker 1: that we relate to each other that feels, I think,
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Speaker 1: really irritating for each of us. And then you look
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Speaker 1: at it and I'm reading we both sat next to
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Speaker 1: each other reading through like okay, what is this thing
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Speaker 1: going on? Like why do we every so often feel
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Speaker 1: this this irrational charge against each other? There? And you know,
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Speaker 1: you look at our chart and it's like, well, this
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Speaker 1: is how you see life and this is your path,
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Speaker 1: and this is how they see life in their path.
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Speaker 1: And you guys aren't doing any of this on purpose.
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Speaker 1: It's just a natural element that exists. And that was
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Speaker 1: incredibly free because there's nothing to fix, you know, there
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Speaker 1: isn't there. It doesn't mean we have to have some
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Speaker 1: big conversation about who's doing wood or how, and it
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Speaker 1: doesn't need to be fixed. It's just being observed. And
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Speaker 1: so now that friend and I were just like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh girl, we you know how we trigger
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Speaker 1: each other. It's fine, let's reakon being later like that's
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Speaker 1: that's It's so powerful, thank you because a lot of it,
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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of one I was designing it
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Speaker 1: was for that, because that's what it gave me. As
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Speaker 1: I started to act, I would just ask people's charts
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Speaker 1: and people as friends with different issues that have people
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Speaker 1: and I love to look at it and get the
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Speaker 1: perspective that he said, and then I could just let
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Speaker 1: it all go because I had understanding and I saw
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Speaker 1: just if you said it, I mean, that's that's wonderful.
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Speaker 1: That's how I hope people use it. You know, when
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Speaker 1: you're you're not just googling somebody or looking at their Instagram,
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Speaker 1: but you check their pattern so that you can actually
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Speaker 1: get a real sense of who they are and what
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Speaker 1: they're going through, maybe what they're not always showing you,
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Speaker 1: and also what the dynamic is, because there are just
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Speaker 1: going to be these patterns between you and people. Often
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Speaker 1: we are magnetic with the things that we're needing to
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Speaker 1: learn about. So you might be bringing people into your
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Speaker 1: life that make you feel insecure because you do. And
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Speaker 1: if you see that pattern, you see, Oh, they're a
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Speaker 1: gift to me because I can look at this differently. Now,
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Speaker 1: this is just the dynamic. But I'm only allowing it,
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Speaker 1: you know, and I can look at it objectively. But
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Speaker 1: they're not doing anything. They're not judging you at all.
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Speaker 1: All this stuff you have in your head that they're
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Speaker 1: thinking about you never occurred to them, you know, And yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think that's a lot of it. And um, that
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Speaker 1: understanding was sort of the most exciting for me to
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Speaker 1: how I related to other ensure and then when you
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Speaker 1: get to romantic relationships, it's, you know, the next level
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Speaker 1: because all that stuff God louder, right. So so in
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Speaker 1: the app, you we can run the bond for friendship
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Speaker 1: and then you can run it for romance and interesting
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Speaker 1: it is, you know what. I I pulled up an
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Speaker 1: X in there. Yeah, and it was so beautiful because
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Speaker 1: I read through the chart and I was like, oh
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Speaker 1: my god, oh the grace. We should have never been together,
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Speaker 1: you know, and I say that with like just so
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Speaker 1: much love and grace. It's like, we should not. Our
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Speaker 1: charts were not they were so not compatible. Like our
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Speaker 1: charts on paper almost looked like they hated each other,
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Speaker 1: you know, like like the charts just we were in
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Speaker 1: all the wrong spaces. And so there was this there
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Speaker 1: was this chemistry and this love that that pushes you
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Speaker 1: towards to see it through anyway, because also that societal
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Speaker 1: pressure and structure of like you fight for love, or
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Speaker 1: you earn love, or you gotta keep going, and you know,
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Speaker 1: it's a about that. And then you look and you're like, oh,
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Speaker 1: the grace, Like we have very specific individual paths that
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Speaker 1: we were always meant to take, and now this is complete,
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Speaker 1: and that's okay, And look at my chart and look
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Speaker 1: at all the other places that you know we're intended
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Speaker 1: to go and be and do totally, because that's we
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Speaker 1: often think the person you're supposed to be with them forever.
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Speaker 1: Oftentimes they come in as an initiator really to show
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Speaker 1: you something and it's not meant forever. But of course,
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Speaker 1: like you said, society and what we think and fear
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Speaker 1: of rejection, all these things we hold onto things that
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Speaker 1: are unhealthy, and in fact they are dynamics that make
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Speaker 1: you hold on. So even if you can read that
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Speaker 1: this is a kind of dynamic, well, you might never
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Speaker 1: let go no matter how bad it gets. That's like,
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Speaker 1: you know, a big liberator to oh, I mean, you know,
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Speaker 1: And it's just sometimes people come in to show you
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Speaker 1: certain things. You're gonna teach each other, things you're gonna cross,
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Speaker 1: and you're gonna let go. And like you said, it's
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Speaker 1: that grace of like now you can let go because
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Speaker 1: it's not meant for you. Not everything was meant for you. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and and understanding this is probably for a different deep dive,
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Speaker 1: but you know, understanding, you know, soul contracts, karmit contracts
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Speaker 1: like what would we come here to know about one another?
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Speaker 1: What did we come here to know about ourselves? And
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Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I found that even the most challenging relationships,
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Speaker 1: it was the gift that you guys signed up for,
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Speaker 1: you know, and and one chose to be of service
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Speaker 1: to the other in a very specific way that sometimes
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Speaker 1: feels really harmful um by our standards here, but ultimately
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Speaker 1: it creates this completion cycle of oh, I'm at peace
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Speaker 1: now because that lesson has been learned, and so I
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Speaker 1: can release it and the pattern will not repeat. That's right,
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Speaker 1: And I think that's a big part of it. We
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Speaker 1: are choosing these things, and that was refrained through learning
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Speaker 1: about astrology too and seeing my pattern. You know, you're
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Speaker 1: very specific patterns relationships. You are choosing all of this,
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Speaker 1: and maybe you're choosing this kind of pain, this sort
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Speaker 1: of break you open, and maybe that's that is the
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Speaker 1: point to to move me along. And so everybody I
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Speaker 1: think I've ever met my life as a gift, I
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Speaker 1: have zero rest anything or anyone because these are all
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Speaker 1: happening because you wanted to have. It's trying to teach
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Speaker 1: you something, and now it's just such a different way
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Speaker 1: to look at it and then you're like, okay, good,
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Speaker 1: this is what we taught each other, and now we
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Speaker 1: move on, and you know, ideally you do meet somebody
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Speaker 1: less longer. It's that kind of thing, but it doesn't
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Speaker 1: have to be that um And that's the empowering part.
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Speaker 1: You're choosing it. Nobody's doing anything to you, and you
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Speaker 1: can choose it as long as you want. So if
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Speaker 1: you know about that pattern and you are miserable, it
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Speaker 1: is not that person's thing, you can choose differently. But
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Speaker 1: that's the tough part, you know, that's the work of
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Speaker 1: Once you sort of own that, you're like, can I
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Speaker 1: choose differently because we're wired, and be like, can you
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Speaker 1: stick with it? Or you're very comfortable with that, won't
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Speaker 1: you know? You just stay? And I used to say
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Speaker 1: in things years, you know, because you're that's what's comfortable
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Speaker 1: and moving away from. But then your life levels up
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Speaker 1: very quickly when you do. You're always you know, Oh,
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Speaker 1: the way the universe responds to amazing when you choose yourself.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, when you choose yourself, when you choose
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Speaker 1: your own love, the way the universe responds is so swift,
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Speaker 1: so full, so beyond comprehension of anything you could have
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Speaker 1: ever fathomed for yourself. It's it's remarkable and that's why
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Speaker 1: you get you're not we we think very narrow, we're
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Speaker 1: in control of things. We are we are co creating
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Speaker 1: with things. And you see it. Just like you said,
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Speaker 1: the second you make those moves, you are met. You're
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Speaker 1: always met, and you're always gonna be met where you're
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Speaker 1: where you're at, you know. Um. And it's just that thing.
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Speaker 1: I think, if you can understand yourself and choose yourself
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Speaker 1: and love yourself, you will be met. And can you
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Speaker 1: trust that in a deeper, very deep way, that you
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Speaker 1: will be met? Wow, you guys have branched out into dating.
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Speaker 1: Please tell me about that. How does that work? Because this,
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Speaker 1: to me seems like one of the greatest things that
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Speaker 1: has ever been created using your chart and a dating app. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's one of those things users are always
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Speaker 1: asking for from the from the beginning. Um. And I
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Speaker 1: think even this last year with COVID and seeing how
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Speaker 1: connections were changing, I think it before, so your hand
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Speaker 1: a little sooner and let's let's get on. Let's let's
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Speaker 1: let's do this, because what the app is and you've
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Speaker 1: spoken about about understanding yourself and connecting with people and
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Speaker 1: deeper ways. We're just sort of translating that to the
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Speaker 1: dating or doing our version of that. So it's an
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Speaker 1: ability to go on and ideally connect with people in
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Speaker 1: a deeper, more aware, more authentic place. So you can
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Speaker 1: use it like regular dating apps you're accustomed and you
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Speaker 1: you know, swipe through people, but before you can connect
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Speaker 1: and like and talk, you have to run the bond
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Speaker 1: so you see the relationship. So you're starting from a
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Speaker 1: place of like context and understanding and maybe even you'll
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Speaker 1: give somebody a chance that you wouldn't otherwise because they
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Speaker 1: don't look the way you want them to. But look,
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Speaker 1: you've an extraordinary bond. Okay, maybe we should you know,
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Speaker 1: get to know each other. So it's it's it's trying
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Speaker 1: to push in a little bit that way. It's still
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Speaker 1: very fun. It's why you go on, you do your thinking,
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Speaker 1: all your preferences, everything's there. Who we're adding this thing
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Speaker 1: of understanding your you know, compatibility and your in your
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Speaker 1: relationship and your bond and and I think it adds
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Speaker 1: fun but depth ideally in a fun way. You're you're
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Speaker 1: going to do things in a deeper way without even
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Speaker 1: realizing how deep it scary. It's really wild to think
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Speaker 1: of because it makes things so so clear and so
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Speaker 1: specifically useful like it it feels that it frees up
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Speaker 1: so much time to be able to come in and
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Speaker 1: and also allows you to disarm so much sooner, like
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Speaker 1: get out of in your game plane that may exist
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Speaker 1: or any awkwardness, and it's like, okay, if we can
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Speaker 1: both be in our fullest authenticity from day one, what
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Speaker 1: does that look like? Which is the dream? You know?
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Speaker 1: That's exactly I think that's that's the idea. Can you
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Speaker 1: just be you and not play these games and have
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Speaker 1: these conversations? Um, And that's that's what it is for me.
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Speaker 1: It's a foil for me to just have deeper conversations
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Speaker 1: with people right away, you know. And so that's what
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Speaker 1: the app hopefully does. Or how you use it. I
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Speaker 1: love that you use it with a friend or I
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Speaker 1: have couples that tell me they'll use it together and
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Speaker 1: they'll read their pattern and that's the idea, so that
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Speaker 1: they're being the sort of understanding deeper together. But there's
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Speaker 1: sort of the safe place to do it because this
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Speaker 1: third party is kind of telling you some things you know,
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Speaker 1: and so ideally with dating the same thing and then
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Speaker 1: when you're when you met yours only, then you can
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Speaker 1: go back on the pattern and you can work on
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Speaker 1: your relationship at least that you're just healing hearts and
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Speaker 1: changing the world, doing my best, doing my best. What
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Speaker 1: what are some like stories that people may have been
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Speaker 1: sharing with you, um since you launched this app that
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Speaker 1: have stucked with you or really continue to drive your
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Speaker 1: purpose in doing this work. What is what has come
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Speaker 1: home to you that has just really felt so aligned? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I mean it, that is what keeps you sort of going.
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Speaker 1: This is a long journey, so coming on eight years,
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Speaker 1: and especially you know when you're making it, you're creating
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Speaker 1: it like it's like in a room writing content. You
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Speaker 1: don't know, you don't know if this is just insane.
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Speaker 1: You're just writing and you're like, I think it's great,
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Speaker 1: you know, and like, but have I actually lost my mind?
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Speaker 1: And right yeah, yeah, oh yeah, you know, and you
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Speaker 1: get everything. Every friend of mine is like knows everything
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Speaker 1: about astrology because you know, obsessively talking about but you
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Speaker 1: don't know beyond your circle. And then it's like we
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Speaker 1: got very lucky. The app was just found you know,
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Speaker 1: a couple of days there's thirty thousand people in the
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Speaker 1: servant where they came from. Um. And then you see, okay, wow,
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Speaker 1: so this this is helpful. Great because that's the intention, right.
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Speaker 1: And then there's those moments where yeah, people, whether it's friends,
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Speaker 1: but then the people write in our friends, tell you
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Speaker 1: a story or you you know, people know you're making
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Speaker 1: the pattern. They tell you things, but it's just for me.
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Speaker 1: That's what makes it worthwhile. It's the people that tell
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Speaker 1: you it's it's meant something to the room when they're
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Speaker 1: especially I say, people when they're going through a very
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Speaker 1: hard time, this being this sort of safe place for them, um,
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Speaker 1: and just kept them going in a certain way or
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Speaker 1: transformed them in a way. That's it's it's just um,
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Speaker 1: it makes it all worthwhile, you know, and like you know,
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Speaker 1: you know, you're just trying to be in service in
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Speaker 1: some way, and you're like, great, it's it's serving someone.
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Speaker 1: Let's keep going because you know past you're doing. You know,
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Speaker 1: there's days you're like I can thankand you this anymore.
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Speaker 1: You know, I'm too tired your end. So then when
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Speaker 1: you you know it actually is in service and it's
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Speaker 1: telling me people you are like, all right, let's let's
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Speaker 1: keep going. Let's keep going. UM. So I've there's been
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Speaker 1: just so many beautiful stories and feedback just you know,
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Speaker 1: people who have been UM. It's it's really help them.
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Speaker 1: And that's just and that's that's it. That's the idea
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Speaker 1: of sound. I'm just grateful that I am able to
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Speaker 1: be of service at all. There's this fun part in
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Speaker 1: the running bonds. I don't I don't think I've ever
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Speaker 1: shared this, but uh, where you can pull up UM
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Speaker 1: public figures and run the blond right. So I did
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Speaker 1: that and it was illuminating and it really it really
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Speaker 1: fulfilled something deep inside of me. So listeners know this,
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Speaker 1: but I my whole life, since I was maybe ten
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Speaker 1: or eleven, I've had this incredibly deep connection to Tupac,
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Speaker 1: like so deep, which I know women everywhere, but listened,
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Speaker 1: it was like deep deep, and so I Tupac has
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Speaker 1: been a big theme of my life in many ways,
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Speaker 1: in many, many, many many ways, and actually going to
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Speaker 1: be featured with UM an essay and an upcoming book
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Speaker 1: about his life. But the way that his spirit and
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Speaker 1: energy unlocked me was really profound. The way that I
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Speaker 1: experienced him playing out the full spectrum of human emotion.
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Speaker 1: Um really being this beautiful blend at such a young
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Speaker 1: age of revolutionary also wounded healer, also like this just
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Speaker 1: exuberant force of creativity. So I ran our bond amazing?
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Speaker 1: Are you ready for this? I bet he put his
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Speaker 1: moon on your descendant? Is it so? Because I start
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Speaker 1: and it was his chart, so I'm thinking of your chart?
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Speaker 1: So what was it? What said it said? We were so? Yes?
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Speaker 1: Because I bet because his mars was aquarious and not
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Speaker 1: the ideal of person. I think his I think he
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Speaker 1: was the ideal person for you to be the Leo
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Speaker 1: is how we look at it. His moon was on
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Speaker 1: You've had a past life and you had a future
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Speaker 1: in action. I'm getting all this, don't know my childhould
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Speaker 1: dream play so beautiful? It was? It was actually really
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Speaker 1: it was so interesting because it said I it said
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Speaker 1: we'd have like an epic friendship. It said that we
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Speaker 1: had like many um many karma tized many past lives
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Speaker 1: together and we just had so many connective points and
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Speaker 1: really no frustrations, and it was just it was just interesting.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I was I think I was eleven when
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Speaker 1: Poc passed. Um. But I just I don't even want
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Speaker 1: to make it about the romance. The way that his
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Speaker 1: existence changed my life, the way that his work changed
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Speaker 1: and informed how I saw the world, how I thought
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Speaker 1: I was allowed to see the world, how I saw myself.
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Speaker 1: He was a profound spiritual teacher for me through his music, um,
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Speaker 1: and so to see that I was just like, oh,
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Speaker 1: that's my soul really now deep more deeply understanding why
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Speaker 1: the connection was there. So I'm like, well, maybe next
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Speaker 1: lifetime we get to incarnate around the same age, and yeah,
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Speaker 1: well you're from the same soul then, I mean clearly,
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Speaker 1: I mean that's these I I that's when I was
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Speaker 1: building this, So I look at all that kind of stuff,
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Speaker 1: or anybody who was interested in somebody, i'd look up
19:13
Speaker 1: them or celebrity possess. I'll always look at that stuff
19:16
Speaker 1: because I'm always trying to, you know, look at the
19:17
Speaker 1: pattern and improves a pattern. And if you had said that,
19:20
Speaker 1: I'd be like, for sure, I happen to know his chart,
19:23
Speaker 1: so I knew her that was headed. But if I didn't,
19:25
Speaker 1: I'd be like, oh you must there are certain things
19:28
Speaker 1: they are probably at play there. There's reasons you're drawn
19:30
Speaker 1: to people and reasons you're not you know, UM. And
19:33
Speaker 1: usually without fail, there's these kinds of connections, especially if
19:37
Speaker 1: it's like that where this is somebody who is really
19:40
Speaker 1: pivotal in your development, you'd see something that was drawing
19:44
Speaker 1: into that on a soul level. UM. So I love
19:47
Speaker 1: that you did that. You're like, can I need together?
19:50
Speaker 1: You call those things like a testimony? I know. Can
19:53
Speaker 1: can we just send you all over the world time? Please?
19:58
Speaker 1: And I'm like, let me build a time machine and
20:00
Speaker 1: so I can go back in time and be like
20:01
Speaker 1: and you know time travel, right, you know time travel.
20:04
Speaker 1: And you can look at any date in your life,
20:07
Speaker 1: ideally in the past under and you can look in
20:09
Speaker 1: the future. But um, and it basically tells you what
20:12
Speaker 1: you were going through at the time, because there's cycles
20:14
Speaker 1: that are dynamics. There's your birth chart, but there's also timing,
20:17
Speaker 1: which is telling you what's happening to you at this time,
20:19
Speaker 1: what's dynamically impacting you. But you can look up, let's
20:23
Speaker 1: say there's a really important time in your life, whether
20:26
Speaker 1: it's um starting a business and parents pass things. Who
20:30
Speaker 1: knows something was very important in your life. You can
20:32
Speaker 1: look up that date and you can see what was
20:34
Speaker 1: going on there? So you understand the intention behind it.
20:38
Speaker 1: You know, Oh my god, when you meet us all
20:40
Speaker 1: me you know, there's oftentimes it's like a partner of
20:43
Speaker 1: destiny moment um. You can look those things up. Yeah, wow,
20:48
Speaker 1: I'm looking at you just like who how did you
20:51
Speaker 1: get here? Like? Now what you created is so and
20:56
Speaker 1: it's like, i mean, already seven point five million people
20:59
Speaker 1: with no vertisement are locked in in their lives are
21:02
Speaker 1: really being deepened in such powerful ways for this. But
21:06
Speaker 1: I'm like, holy cow, Like when I think about the
21:09
Speaker 1: dating component, right, it's like, what is this new generation
21:13
Speaker 1: of children who will be born from this type of compatibility?
21:16
Speaker 1: Like what is really And I'm not trying to sound dramatic,
21:24
Speaker 1: but wow, Like this offering that you've given to Earth
21:28
Speaker 1: to the world, Wow, what this is changing for millions
21:34
Speaker 1: of people. I mean at at such a core foundational level.
21:38
Speaker 1: And when we love and accept ourselves, which is what
21:40
Speaker 1: this app really gives so much deep insight into, that's
21:45
Speaker 1: when all of our gifts, all of our power, all
21:48
Speaker 1: of our connectedness to God gets unlocked in so many ways.
21:52
Speaker 1: And if we're in the world as our most authentic self,
21:54
Speaker 1: the world elevated. So wow, wow, the pathway of your
21:58
Speaker 1: destiny is so bad. Mhm wow, gosh, thank you. I
22:03
Speaker 1: don't even know. It's weird, and this will probably not
22:06
Speaker 1: make sense, but somehow it's it's its own thing. It
22:10
Speaker 1: has its own destiny, the pattern, you know, and I
22:13
Speaker 1: feel like it. I know I helped create it, but
22:19
Speaker 1: I never feel like it's mine. Do you know what
22:20
Speaker 1: I mean? It's not mine, it's everybody's. It's it's it's
22:23
Speaker 1: just it's what it is. I this is something animated.
22:25
Speaker 1: I did this at this time. This is what's happening,
22:28
Speaker 1: but it's it's everybody's and it's it's it's something that
22:31
Speaker 1: I don't even you know, when people say, oh, thank you,
22:35
Speaker 1: I don't even associate it with me. I guess it
22:37
Speaker 1: doesn't feel personal to me. It's just part of what
22:40
Speaker 1: it is, and this is what happened. And I'm just grateful,
22:43
Speaker 1: like I'm able to I was able to sort of
22:47
Speaker 1: be a part of that or whatever. I don't know
22:49
Speaker 1: how to, probably not very articulate, but I just feel
22:53
Speaker 1: you were called so beautiful. Yeah I I was. It
22:57
Speaker 1: wasn't a thinking thing. It was just annoying. I just
23:00
Speaker 1: said it one day That's what I'll be doing, all right,
23:04
Speaker 1: and then I'll go do that and then you know,
23:07
Speaker 1: Saturn keeps you on the path because you want to quit,
23:09
Speaker 1: but um, you're on it, and I'm just I'm just
23:13
Speaker 1: here to help move it along because it has its
23:14
Speaker 1: own destiny, you know, and and if I can mother
23:18
Speaker 1: it along mother of patterns, so that but that it
23:23
Speaker 1: just that, thank you so much for just it's just
23:26
Speaker 1: so kind everything you're saying. And I appreciate it the pattern,
23:31
Speaker 1: appreciate your love. It's got to feel overwhelming. I'm sure
23:36
Speaker 1: like like to know the way in which you are
23:41
Speaker 1: touching and shifting people. I'm sure it feels at a
23:43
Speaker 1: certain point just like I can't even think about it.
23:45
Speaker 1: I can't even let myself sit in this. It's too big. Yeah.
23:50
Speaker 1: I mean we never did pure Market because I didn't
23:52
Speaker 1: want to be connected to it. I didn't think if
23:55
Speaker 1: it is a personal thing. I just wanted it to
23:57
Speaker 1: be it's things. It's part of growing a business. So
24:00
Speaker 1: at a certain point I was like, this, we have
24:03
Speaker 1: to do it about more people to know about it.
24:04
Speaker 1: I Guessel have to go out there and do an
24:07
Speaker 1: article or do probably got you to do this and
24:08
Speaker 1: this has come on. Yeah, this is I feel so
24:11
Speaker 1: lucky because it's meeting people like you. You know, in
24:13
Speaker 1: my head it would be it was gonna be Um, yeah,
24:18
Speaker 1: it's just people wanting to validate like people is this
24:22
Speaker 1: and yeah, I mean and it's like, okay, look if
24:24
Speaker 1: you don't get it, we don't need to talk about it,
24:27
Speaker 1: right right. That was a big part of it also,
24:30
Speaker 1: just like it's not about me. I just wanted to
24:32
Speaker 1: create this thing, so I didn't want to And then
24:34
Speaker 1: there's that's a lot too to take on it, like
24:37
Speaker 1: the projection that could be put on you, and I
24:40
Speaker 1: just wanted to stand on its own. I'm here to
24:41
Speaker 1: support it and I'm here to move it along and
24:45
Speaker 1: and so that Yeah, when you speak to it overall,
24:47
Speaker 1: I think I I I separate from it in that
24:49
Speaker 1: way and let it have its own thing and whatever
24:53
Speaker 1: I was able to do, and right, that's what I do.
24:55
Speaker 1: That this is great, and I'm gonna push it along
24:57
Speaker 1: and it has its own destiny and I let it
24:59
Speaker 1: stand for itself and hopefully have enough separation. Um. But
25:04
Speaker 1: it was more of a fear before and now I'm
25:06
Speaker 1: saying it's it's it's really lovely and it's okay to
25:09
Speaker 1: be you know, connected to it, and I'm I'm okay,
25:13
Speaker 1: you know it's it's it's not as overwhelming now. I
25:16
Speaker 1: don't think I could have done it four years ago.
25:20
Speaker 1: It's like being more you know, yeah they connected to it,
25:24
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. But yeah, yeah, you know you
25:27
Speaker 1: were you were one of the early adopters and pioneers
25:29
Speaker 1: of YouTube and a video content creation and a really
25:32
Speaker 1: big way before content actually been had a name. Um
25:37
Speaker 1: And then when I think of you constructing the pattern
25:40
Speaker 1: like the things that are the things that we're talking
25:42
Speaker 1: about freely. Now, for some they're still going to be
25:44
Speaker 1: like what, But for the majority of people, like new
25:47
Speaker 1: language has been established, like we the past couple of
25:50
Speaker 1: years have been such an accelerator for this space for
25:53
Speaker 1: wellness as a whole, for healing as a whole. So
25:56
Speaker 1: we've all come into some type of foundation with each other,
25:59
Speaker 1: I think quickly. But I mean, you've been working on
26:01
Speaker 1: this for so many years when people would probably say
26:05
Speaker 1: something like is that witchcraft? Or you know people just
26:08
Speaker 1: like not get it and be so close to it,
26:12
Speaker 1: and so kind of seeing that pattern within your life
26:15
Speaker 1: of being really really early to the things that are
26:19
Speaker 1: so paradigm shifting and transformational. Um, what is that experience? Like,
26:24
Speaker 1: I mean you've kind of now three different times hit
26:28
Speaker 1: the nail on the head in really substantial ways. Yeah,
26:33
Speaker 1: it's so, it's so fun I mean, yeah, you just
26:36
Speaker 1: so you spoke YouTube just didn't nobody knew what it was.
26:39
Speaker 1: Nobody did anybody of what I was talking about. It
26:41
Speaker 1: was such a moment in time. Of course, you can't.
26:44
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't even understand that concept of people
26:47
Speaker 1: commenting on a video didn't exists or like what you know,
26:50
Speaker 1: So it was Yeah, it was sort of being at
26:52
Speaker 1: that place at that time and embracing it or you know,
26:55
Speaker 1: putting in those ten thousand hours at that time. Um,
27:00
Speaker 1: and I guess it's it's funny at the time, everything
27:02
Speaker 1: feels normal when you're doing it. It feels obvious. It's like, oh,
27:05
Speaker 1: don't you see, this is what's gonna happened, you know,
27:08
Speaker 1: And and everything that happens happens later than you think
27:11
Speaker 1: you think it's gonna happen, bester than you know. You
27:13
Speaker 1: have to you have to stick hang in there, and
27:15
Speaker 1: you spend a lot of time convinced people of like, no,
27:17
Speaker 1: this this platform is great. You see how great it is? Um,
27:21
Speaker 1: And maybe that's the Gemini and me too have like
27:23
Speaker 1: it's it's fun to do things that are I don't
27:26
Speaker 1: know anything about, and and it is something that again
27:29
Speaker 1: sort of has just animated in me. So I follow
27:32
Speaker 1: that and it was just authentic at the time. And
27:34
Speaker 1: then finding astrology that was just that was just the
27:37
Speaker 1: natural progression. It wasn't a thought, it wasn't overthinking. It
27:40
Speaker 1: was just what it was. And I was designing it
27:43
Speaker 1: because it was a time when people were astrologies having
27:47
Speaker 1: a moment now where it's it's being embraced, but back
27:49
Speaker 1: then it wasn't. So I was designing it for people
27:53
Speaker 1: so that they didn't have to worry about that astrology stuff,
27:55
Speaker 1: you know. And I had that in mind. I knew
27:57
Speaker 1: it was sort of early and it's just you know,
28:00
Speaker 1: I guess, following your gut, following your intuition. I feel like, um,
28:03
Speaker 1: that's been my greatest Um, save your gift. You know,
28:08
Speaker 1: that intuitive whisper, that intuitive voice and just keeps you going,
28:12
Speaker 1: keeps you on the right path. Let's you know when
28:15
Speaker 1: it's time to get off of something when it's been
28:17
Speaker 1: enough where to go? And I don't know, you know,
28:22
Speaker 1: I it's a lot of these things aren't um logical
28:25
Speaker 1: thinking things. These are whatever spirit intuition just moving through
28:30
Speaker 1: you and just where you need to be now, you know,
28:32
Speaker 1: you move on and and letting go to when things
28:36
Speaker 1: are I think that's I let go easily because I'm like,
28:41
Speaker 1: let's see what's what's next, you know, and so let's
28:45
Speaker 1: go there, and that's a let's see what's going on there?
28:48
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know. I don't know if
28:52
Speaker 1: it's a good question. I have no idea how this
28:54
Speaker 1: has happened. But here I am and it's a different path,
28:57
Speaker 1: you know, and it's not maybe it's traditional and certain
29:00
Speaker 1: things get sacrificed for it, but it's just it's it's
29:03
Speaker 1: authentic to me and then it's me and I love
29:07
Speaker 1: being alive, being here and it feels good. M Something
29:13
Speaker 1: you just said, I think is where I would love
29:15
Speaker 1: to anchor this to end for everyone is we talk
29:21
Speaker 1: a lot about intuition, and it is really understandable why
29:25
Speaker 1: so many of us may find ourselves disconnected from our
29:28
Speaker 1: intuition because society and all of the structures that play
29:33
Speaker 1: our curriculum or families of origin like very often our
29:39
Speaker 1: gaslighting us for lack of which takes you away from
29:45
Speaker 1: your intuition, which that natural, beautiful intuition and guidance you
29:49
Speaker 1: came to Earth with slowly moves farther and far away
29:52
Speaker 1: from you, and you begin to be in a place
29:54
Speaker 1: where you don't believe you can trust yourself. And I
29:58
Speaker 1: think something that is so beautiful about doing the work,
30:01
Speaker 1: in any work um is that you begin to reconnect
30:04
Speaker 1: to that. But especially the pattern is such a beautiful
30:08
Speaker 1: resource for reminding yourself that you can trust yourself when
30:14
Speaker 1: you are looking at these patterns that play like this,
30:17
Speaker 1: This act can be used for so much fun, but
30:20
Speaker 1: it's also a powerful tool, I think, to build your
30:22
Speaker 1: spiritual confidence the things that you innately knew or believed
30:26
Speaker 1: about yourself that weren't quantified or validated. And the outside
30:30
Speaker 1: world you read it and you are seeing your herd.
30:34
Speaker 1: You're understood, and then you can take a breath because
30:37
Speaker 1: you realize nothing is wrong with me. There's nothing wrong
30:40
Speaker 1: with you, there's nothing that you're doing or not doing.
30:44
Speaker 1: Now you know your curriculum, So how do you want
30:46
Speaker 1: to play the cards? That you've been given. How do
30:49
Speaker 1: you want to co create your life? Um, that's it.
30:52
Speaker 1: I mean I don't think I could ever say it
30:55
Speaker 1: as well as you said. That's the that's the hope.
30:57
Speaker 1: So that the intention of this thing. And you know,
31:01
Speaker 1: I lost touch with my intuition for many years and
31:03
Speaker 1: it's helped me bring back. So I think what you're saying,
31:05
Speaker 1: and it is exactly. It's just hopefully it's connecting people
31:09
Speaker 1: back to their truth and get them on a past
31:12
Speaker 1: to just trust themselves. That's it, you know, Lisa, I am.
31:18
Speaker 1: I'm so grateful for your time today, and I am
31:21
Speaker 1: so grateful for your work. I'm so grateful for your
31:25
Speaker 1: life path. This is so powerful. Thank you, thank you.
31:30
Speaker 1: Thank You's right back at you. You're amazing and the
31:34
Speaker 1: work you're doing is amazing, and I'm so grateful you
31:37
Speaker 1: had me on this podcast and I just love talking
31:39
Speaker 1: to you and your incredible person and thank you, thank you,
31:42
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. Love loves I know, love truly. Okay,
31:51
Speaker 1: let a show. Thank you so much for joining, Thank
31:54
Speaker 1: you so much for really holding space for this conversation
31:58
Speaker 1: and for some soul work. As we end this show,
32:01
Speaker 1: I really encourage everyone um, if you haven't already download
32:04
Speaker 1: the pattern, take a few moments to plug in your information,
32:08
Speaker 1: locate your birth certificate, that's where your birth time is,
32:11
Speaker 1: ask your parents. UM, but plugging your info and just
32:14
Speaker 1: start playing around with it. You don't have to read
32:16
Speaker 1: through everything right now, and you don't have to understand
32:19
Speaker 1: everything right now, but really really take a beat and
32:24
Speaker 1: sink your teeth into reading through some of the patterning,
32:29
Speaker 1: some of the themes, some of the expressions that you
32:32
Speaker 1: may be seen in your birth chart, and just spend
32:35
Speaker 1: a couple of days with it and see what starts
32:38
Speaker 1: to apply, what starts to fit, what's giving you some
32:40
Speaker 1: deeper insights. And I highly recommend as you do this,
32:44
Speaker 1: having a journal handy and just jotting down different thoughts,
32:48
Speaker 1: jotting down different nahas, jotting down noticings of when this
32:52
Speaker 1: is feeling really aligned with who you know yourself to be,
32:55
Speaker 1: or some deeper themes that you may have been playing with.
32:59
Speaker 1: As always, big thank you for listening, and if you
33:02
Speaker 1: have not yet, UM, I just want to encourage you
33:05
Speaker 1: and thank you in advance for leaving a five star
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Speaker 1: So big love to everyone. Hit me on the gram
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