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The Housewives Divorce Curse Strikes Again with Kate Casey · Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

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  Speaker 2: welcome to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 4: I have your favorite smarty pants, funny girl, Kate Casey,
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  Speaker 4: mother of five, host of Reality Life with Kate Casey,
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  Speaker 4: my dear friend.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome back to Juicy Scoop.
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  Speaker 3: I'm very happy to be here.
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  Speaker 2: Always.
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  Speaker 4: So Kate, you have five kids and you are up to,
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  Speaker 4: you're just entering the journey of where your daughter might
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  Speaker 4: go to college, which is a fun time. I Personally
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  Speaker 4: have some questions about the Alabama moms decorating the dorms.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes. Your daughter is looking at Southern schools.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: How will you manage all of that? I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I'm really good at finding friends who
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  Speaker 3: are really good at stuff like that.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And they kind of take care of it for me.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the blessing of having a lot of kids. Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: People don't ask you to do anything because they think
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  Speaker 3: you're too busy.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, that's great.
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  Speaker 3: So I've actually gotten away with not having to do
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  Speaker 3: a lot. But I always find the people that I
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  Speaker 3: think are good at stuff like that, and they'll find
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  Speaker 3: the way to do it without spending as much money
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  Speaker 3: or spending as much time on it.
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  Speaker 4: Well, my mother, mother of five, that exact thing, though,
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  Speaker 4: was she, on the other hand, didn't want to owe
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  Speaker 4: anyone a favor because So she continued to drive carpool
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  Speaker 4: for the school. Cause like they went to Catholic school.
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  Speaker 4: So there weren't buses and you had to drive a
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  Speaker 4: carpool for like the kids on your street. Right after
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  Speaker 4: she gave birth to me and she fell asleep at
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  Speaker 4: the wheel.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: Cause she was so sleep deprived and you know, um,
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  Speaker 4: And my brothers were, you know, in the car. And
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  Speaker 4: they're like, I think she's dead. And she's like, no,
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  Speaker 4: I'm alive. And they're like, no, the hamster that we
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  Speaker 4: took home from school. Like they were just– everything was
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  Speaker 4: just chaotic. And so she survived and did fine in life.
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  Speaker 4: But it was because she was like, I just didn't
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  Speaker 4: want to owe any.
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  Speaker 2: Other mother anything. So I wasn't going to take off
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  Speaker 2: a week of the carpool.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I get that.
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  Speaker 2: This is the way people were.
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  Speaker 4: And now they just know not to ask the mother
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  Speaker 4: of five to do anything. So I love that for you.
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  Speaker 4: You know, when I was– dealing with Brandon moving in,
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  Speaker 4: I kind of hired a mom. I found a Juicy Scooper.
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  Speaker 4: I reached, I kind of was like, I just need
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  Speaker 4: someone to help. She came down and we're moving up
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  Speaker 4: to Oregon. So a lot of people thought he had
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  Speaker 4: lesbian moms, which was great. They were like, they just
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  Speaker 4: thought we were a couple. And so we moved and
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  Speaker 4: she helped with all the things. But now there's actually,
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  Speaker 4: you can hire an Alabama mom.
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  Speaker 3: What?
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  Speaker 2: Yes. There's a whole business now.
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  Speaker 4: So you're a mom. You've gone through it. You're an
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  Speaker 4: empty nest or whatever the case is.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 4: And for a service fee a month, you can have
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  Speaker 4: this mom check on your daughter. She can help with move-in.
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  Speaker 4: She can check it. There's like a tiered thing. One
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  Speaker 4: includes grocery shopping, doing the laundry, folding your clothes, checking
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  Speaker 4: on them, doing welfare checks on them. and everything to
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  Speaker 4: keep you at home, peace of mind. So you have
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  Speaker 4: a hire a mom situation. Okay.
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  Speaker 3: This would be good for me if I could have
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  Speaker 3: them just show up and like yell at her to
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  Speaker 3: clean stuff up. I do think I've prepared her to
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  Speaker 3: be independent because she has said to me that when
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  Speaker 3: she goes on trips, like dance trips or something that
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  Speaker 3: the other girls seem to call their mothers more. And
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  Speaker 3: she doesn't really call me that much. And I think
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  Speaker 3: it's because I went away to boarding school when I
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  Speaker 3: was 14. So I was already used to not... Even
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  Speaker 3: when I went to college, my friends would go, call
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  Speaker 3: me when you get in from the bar. And I'd
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  Speaker 3: be like, why?
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  Speaker 4: Do you remember The Blind Side with Sandra Bullock based
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  Speaker 4: on the true story? In it, Kathy Bates played the
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  Speaker 4: tutor that they hired for their adopted son. And when
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  Speaker 4: they got him into, I think it was Old Miss.
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  Speaker 4: I can't remember where the... I think you are right, yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And Kathy Bates' character is like, I'm going with you.
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  Speaker 4: They got me a condo because they were so rich.
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  Speaker 2: And she was going to be his personal... tutor, helper.
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  Speaker 3: I need this.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember going, oh my God, I wonder if
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  Speaker 4: more like really wealthy parents do that just for peace
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  Speaker 4: of mind, knowing that their kid won't miss class. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot of things where I'm like that I've
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  Speaker 4: learned over the years and with three kids in college,
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  Speaker 4: like when's the deadline where you can drop the class
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  Speaker 4: and pick another or drop the class to get your
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  Speaker 4: money back or drop the class and not get the W.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Like, what are those deadlines? And so, anyway, good luck
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  Speaker 4: with all that. I'm glad my time is almost done.
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  Speaker 3: So if somebody is listening to this, is watching this,
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  Speaker 3: and they live near Ole Miss, and.
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  Speaker 2: You want to be friends with Kate, please reach out
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  Speaker 2: to me. Please.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're actually going to go to the Vanderbilt-Ole Miss
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  Speaker 3: game this weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Fun.
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  Speaker 3: She's really excited, and she's got the whole outfit.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's a perfect way. I think that's a
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  Speaker 2: whole way to kind of get the vibe of it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Well, there's some sad news in the reality world.
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  Speaker 4: Whitney Vowles of, and I don't mean to do her voice,
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  Speaker 4: but I can't help talking about her without saying it.
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  Speaker 4: She is on Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. She
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  Speaker 4: and her husband, it's actually her second husband.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: But I don't think she, she didn't have any kids
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  Speaker 4: with her first husband. They met working on, at a job,
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  Speaker 4: at an MLM type of job.
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  Speaker 3: Now, was he her boss?
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
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  Speaker 3: And he's 20 years older.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if he's 20. I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: he's 20. He looks pretty good if it's 20. Because
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  Speaker 2: she just turned 40. If he's only 60, maybe he's 60.
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  Speaker 2: He looks good. Anyway, they are getting divorced. She filed today.
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  Speaker 2: And she filed first. And I have a theory that
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  Speaker 2: it just came out today.
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  Speaker 4: Because on Real Housewives of New York, the new one,
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  Speaker 4: the new cast, Psy has been on the show previously.
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  Speaker 4: since the inception of the new cast. And I'm just
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  Speaker 4: going to go over to that one.
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  Speaker 2: Side here. On last night's.
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  Speaker 4: Episode, which just aired on Bravo last night, she shares
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  Speaker 4: how she was, you know, we see in the first
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  Speaker 4: couple of just leading up that she's separated and she's
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  Speaker 4: having trouble with her husband. She doesn't know what she's
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  Speaker 4: going to do, but she'd been lying to herself that
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  Speaker 4: the marriage is good. And in that episode, we see
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  Speaker 4: how she says, I'm getting ready to go on this
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  Speaker 4: trip with the one girl's private island. And that's when
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  Speaker 4: my phone starts going crazy that my husband, who she
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  Speaker 4: just thought they were separated, he was going to watch
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  Speaker 4: the kids for a week at their other home. He
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  Speaker 4: files for divorce. And she was blindsided, not blindsided, but
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  Speaker 4: she was just surprised that that's the way it's done.
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  Speaker 4: But it's very rare that two people are completely on
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  Speaker 4: the same page. And if you're seeing an attorney, they
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  Speaker 4: might be like, you be the one. So I think
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  Speaker 4: that Whitney saw it last night, had everything ready to go. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And was like, you know what? I'm going to be
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  Speaker 4: the one to file first. I'm not going to be
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  Speaker 4: humiliated and have Justin do it. And that's what I
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  Speaker 4: think happened.
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  Speaker 1: Hmm.
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  Speaker 3: So everything was locked and loaded.
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  Speaker 4: I think everything was locked and loaded. Like she'd seen
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  Speaker 4: a tour, everything. And all she had to do was
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  Speaker 4: just like fire the missile. Like, Go to the courthouse
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  Speaker 4: this morning. And I literally think she was watching last night.
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  Speaker 4: I just think it's very coincidental. It doesn't matter, you know,
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  Speaker 4: like it would have happened anyway.
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  Speaker 2: But I just think that is telling. Because it didn't
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  Speaker 2: look good. It didn't look bad. In some ways it
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  Speaker 2: looked good that Cy didn't file. Because then you're like, well,
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  Speaker 2: you were trying and he finally was like, I'm going
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  Speaker 2: to beat you to it. I'm going to, you know,
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  Speaker 2: but then she was so put off by it while
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  Speaker 2: filming because she was like, I'm sorry. I'm like in
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  Speaker 2: a really weird place. Like I was just kind of
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  Speaker 2: like surprised.
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  Speaker 4: Like I think she knew it was inevitable, but she didn't.
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  Speaker 4: She didn't expect him.
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  Speaker 2: To do it.
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  Speaker 3: Her stuff's really hard for me to follow. The fact
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  Speaker 3: that she was not being honest from the very beginning,
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  Speaker 3: it's just like I need a period of cooling with her.
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  Speaker 3: I just have a hard time believing anything in her life.
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  Speaker 3: She's kind of on my nerves about that. But going
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  Speaker 3: back to Whitney. Whitney's life is going to be way
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  Speaker 3: more exciting. Seeing her date now.
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  Speaker 2: Listen.
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  Speaker 3: She's going to have, I bet you, she's going to
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  Speaker 3: be much more fun on that show.
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  Speaker 4: I think that they were the sexy couple that met,
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  Speaker 4: you know, in an unconventional, scandalous way.
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  Speaker 2: We fell in love. Justin was my everything. They have
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  Speaker 2: two great kids. And, you know, he got fired.
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  Speaker 4: Allegedly or not allegedly because they agreed to do a
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  Speaker 4: scene for Salt Lake where they did got in their
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  Speaker 4: underwear and did sexy paint with two sweating cameraman in
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  Speaker 4: the room as they rolled around and did like Twister,
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  Speaker 4: just the two of them.
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  Speaker 2: And whatever that corporate.
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  Speaker 4: Job was that he had at the high level of
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  Speaker 4: whatever MLM, they're like, goodbye, Justin. And then she was
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  Speaker 4: trying to have her own line, Whitney Rose Cosmetics.
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  Speaker 2: And she said, I had a meeting.
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  Speaker 4: It became a little more clear. She said, I had
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  Speaker 4: a meaning to maybe be an Ulta and Sephora. And
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  Speaker 4: then he came to her and said, listen, we're going
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  Speaker 4: to make more money if we stick with this MLM route.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sure he convinced her.
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  Speaker 4: With all your followers, they'll all want to sell your
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  Speaker 4: product and everything. And so she said okay to him.
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  Speaker 2: It failed.
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  Speaker 4: And then she was like, I don't like that you
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  Speaker 4: controlled my business and I didn't get to do what
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  Speaker 4: I wanted to do. So there was resentment there. And
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  Speaker 4: when I saw her at the Kyle White party for
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  Speaker 4: Ultimate Girls Trip, she's like, I'm here. I'm working on
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  Speaker 4: some really exciting stuff for Wild Rose Beauty.
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  Speaker 2: Things are going to change. I can't talk about it.
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  Speaker 4: But it's really exciting news. And that was like back
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  Speaker 4: in January. And I don't know what is happening with
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  Speaker 4: Wild Rose Beauty.
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  Speaker 3: Well, if there is something going on, I would think
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  Speaker 3: that she would want it to be announced while the
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  Speaker 3: show is airing to maximize it. So, um, by the way,
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  Speaker 3: it's kind of interesting. He has this background in MLM.
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  Speaker 3: He convinces her to go that route. At that point,
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  Speaker 3: you're like, I married someone much older. He thinks like
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  Speaker 3: this is the modern way of doing business, which is
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  Speaker 3: totally outdated.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 3: I'm turning 40. These are the, like the best TV
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  Speaker 3: years of my life. I got a jump ship.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And she's, She's gorgeous, and she could still have a
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  Speaker 4: whole other life. I don't think she wants to have
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  Speaker 4: another baby, but she could still have another baby. And
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  Speaker 4: she even said on the show, like, I didn't have
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  Speaker 4: my wild period. Well, no, because you were having an
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  Speaker 4: affair with the guy that you ended up marrying while
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  Speaker 4: you were married to someone else. So, no, you didn't
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  Speaker 4: have your dating wild period. I definitely think there were
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  Speaker 4: rumors that they were swingers. I definitely think they dabbled
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  Speaker 4: in some exciting sex life stuff.
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  Speaker 3: When everyone talks about people being swingers, it just sounds
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  Speaker 3: like a lot of work.
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  Speaker 2: Exactly.
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  Speaker 3: Do people really do this?
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  Speaker 2: All I know is that I know someone who told
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  Speaker 2: me firsthand.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: That they were at some event with Justin and Whitney.
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  Speaker 4: And they had another, they had a couple that they
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  Speaker 4: brought that was their friends.
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  Speaker 2: And they.
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  Speaker 4: this person, single woman, got together with the couple that
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  Speaker 4: they brought. The single person did not get together with
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  Speaker 4: Justin and Whitney, but the single girl had a threesome
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  Speaker 4: with this other couple that was friends with them.
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  Speaker 2: And it was a good time, apparently.
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  Speaker 4: And I was kind of shocked. I was like, didn't
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  Speaker 4: know you were into that. But I was like, that
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  Speaker 4: kind of tracks. Doesn't mean that they were part of it,
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  Speaker 4: but that they'd be friends with people that would be
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  Speaker 4: down to do something like that, you know?
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  Speaker 3: Or do you think in reflection, the two of them
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  Speaker 3: look at that like, we were already kind of sick
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  Speaker 3: of each other at some point and we had to
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  Speaker 3: add a little flavor in just to like, to keep,
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  Speaker 3: keep our eyeballs open.
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  Speaker 4: Well, if it's, if the relationship started really, truly sexually,
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  Speaker 4: it started as a, as a working boss thing.
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  Speaker 2: And then it, and then it was a sexual scandalous thing.
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  Speaker 3: Very troubling.
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  Speaker 2: Right.
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  Speaker 4: And then it happened as a scandalous thing. Then it's
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  Speaker 4: based in like real passion versus like a regular couple that,
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  Speaker 4: They have sex, they fall in love, they have fun,
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  Speaker 4: they do things. 18 months later, they get engaged, they
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  Speaker 4: then get married a year later, and then they have
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  Speaker 4: the first baby.
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  Speaker 2: It's just like a different trajectory.
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  Speaker 3: This is high stakes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, high stakes, high passion.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's my point, is that if you meet
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  Speaker 3: that way, and it's all about hot sex behind closed doors,
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  Speaker 3: how do you maintain any interest in this relationship? Of course,
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  Speaker 3: they're going to like add people into the bedroom because.
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  Speaker 4: And then of course, then you add the housewives, which
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  Speaker 4: is the number one killer of all kind.
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  Speaker 2: Of shitty marriages. Like, I mean, if it was kind
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  Speaker 2: of a shitty marriage. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Without the show, it might've just stayed shitty into your
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  Speaker 4: golden years.
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  Speaker 2: And then, and then mellowed out.
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  Speaker 3: Do you remember the more, you know, on ABC, she
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  Speaker 3: should do the more, you know, never sleep with your boss. Do-do-do-do-do.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, housewives could do that. They could do
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  Speaker 3: a whole series of The More You Know.
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  Speaker 4: The good news is, for Justin, we've seen a lot
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  Speaker 4: of husbands that we are like, we hate them.
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  Speaker 2: Bronwyn being one. Right, right, right. Get rid of the
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  Speaker 2: grumpy character from up.
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  Speaker 3: I don't hate this guy. I don't hate that guy.
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  Speaker 2: He was a smiley, happy, supportive guy. Yeah. He came
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  Speaker 2: to everything. I can't even remember.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe there was one little thing where he was defending
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  Speaker 4: his wife and getting involved in some argument with some
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  Speaker 4: other dad.
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  Speaker 2: I don't even remember. It wasn't significant. Oh, it was
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  Speaker 2: Lisa Barlow's husband. Okay.
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  Speaker 4: In the realm of like husbands on Housewives that have
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  Speaker 4: not been portrayed well.
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  Speaker 2: One out of 10, 10 being who.
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  Speaker 4: Is like our favorite, who would be number one, who
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  Speaker 4: it would have to be someone that did not get divorced.
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  Speaker 4: Number one favorite presenting house husband that we liked.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to say it.
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  Speaker 4: Was Mauricio before they broke up. I'm going to say
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  Speaker 4: throughout all those years, Mauricio came off fun, attentive, nice,
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  Speaker 4: never got in a fight with any other housewife.
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  Speaker 2: Or house husband.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but Lisa Barlow's husband's better.
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  Speaker 2: Lisa Barlow's husband's great.
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  Speaker 3: Because Lisa Barlow's husband would never be on Dancing with
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  Speaker 3: the Stars. So we don't, like, I think there was
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  Speaker 3: an ick factor with Mauricio.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well, let's give Lisa Barlow's husband number one.
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  Speaker 3: John Barlow is the patron saint of Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 3: He seems like a very good person and not a
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  Speaker 3: first drop.
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: He's a good husband. I want to say Ken....
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: Of Lisa Vanderpump because he always had her back and
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: her dog. He always, if you're just looking at like
• 16:06
  Speaker 4: a husband who stood by, was there when she needed him,
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: you know, always had her back. And like it was
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: the Lisa show.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: He was pretty great.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: He had a couple moments where he got nasty to
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: like a couple people back.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: Earlier in the day.
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: Then he stayed out of it. Yeah, I kind of
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: think those might be the best. I can't even think.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: They're on the better end. I was just thinking.
• 16:29
  Speaker 4: Bobby Zarin always came off great.
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: He always came off great. I liked him. Yeah.
• 16:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, there's not a lot because so many people
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: get divorced.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: And we're always going to be on the girl's side
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: if she gets divorced.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: I thought you were going to ask me who was
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: the worst of all time.
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: Let's talk worst.
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: Not technically married, but the worst person ever.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Lou Knickerbocker.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Oh, he died.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: Who cares? He was weird.
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: That's Tammy Knickerbocker's husband who did the angel water with
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: his daughters and her friends.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: This is OC. This is very, you have to be
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: hardcore Real Housewives to even know what we're talking about.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: He felt very ick. Like he's in some vials.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: Well, okay, so we knew it was coming.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: I kind of thought. I think they're both going to
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: meet other people and be really happy.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: But there was a glimmer of when they did that
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: scene where we're living in two different rooms or whatever
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: that I thought maybe they're not in trouble. And maybe
• 17:33
  Speaker 4: they're like, you know what, let's play this out.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: But we also really do need a break. Let's test
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: it out. Let's play it out. It'll be a good storyline.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: So I was hopeful that this truly was.
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: A separation which they could sort of come back from
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: because he didn't move out of the house and it's
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: part of the show and let's see what we can do.
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: And then, you know, I mean, Meredith and Seth, they
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: should be the poster children for taking a sexual sabbatical
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: from your spouse and still staying married. Because, you know,
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: she didn't deny it.
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: When Lisa Barlow was like, sleeping with all of New
• 18:13
  Speaker 4: York and you fucking whore. She was mad that she
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: said it, but she was like, yeah, we were separated
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: and Seth and I have made it work now.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: We got it out of our system. We scratched the itch.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: And now we're, you know, in a bathtub together again.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: By the way, he's not bothering me that much either.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: Seth makes fun of her and I kind of like that.
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: When he was called her, like, you smother our children.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: I thought that was funny.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: I think Seth is... And John are delights.
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: I talked to them at a party during BravoCon and
• 18:43
  Speaker 4: they're so, we're so nice and normal.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: They seem normal.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: The women were doing some other event.
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: And they didn't care.
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: So I had a moment to talk to Seth and
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: he said, he goes, it's really funny. He's like, everybody
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: else said what he said. He goes, everybody on the
• 18:57
  Speaker 4: show realizes they're on a show, but my wife.
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: And that's why she gets so upset. So he basically
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: was saying a lot of it is, in my opinion,
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: pretty performative by these other people. But she is like,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: how dare you brutalize my family? Like she would get
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: really upset.
• 19:16
  Speaker 4: And now I kind of feel like this season, either
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: she can't get upset because of the facelift being fresh
• 19:22
  Speaker 4: and looking amazing. But I also just feel like now
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: she gets it. And now she's like, let me sail
• 19:28
  Speaker 4: off into DJing and caviar bumps and my kids being
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: successful and me having stayed married and like, I'm not
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: going to let this shit bother me anymore. You know,
• 19:38
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• 22:02
  Speaker 3: Do you think fame has ruined a lot of the housewives, though? Like,
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: when I think about the first season, I loved that
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: it was like, they were like lovable buffoons. Delusions of
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: grandeur with the fact that, you know, when Ramona had
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: people over and Jill was pissed, like, they all had
• 22:22
  Speaker 3: these connections to each other, but they also had no
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: idea that, how people perceive them, and so they were
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: authentically themselves.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: 100%, and I think that's... Yeah, and now it's kind
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: of ruined. And I think they, as.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: We'll go over here. As the Golden, the legends are back.
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: They're on the cover of Us Weekly, and they're wearing
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: these goddess white dresses. This is Ramona, Luann, Sonia, Kelly Bessamone,
• 22:46
  Speaker 4: and Dorinda all coming back for the E! show, which
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: is the Golden Life. Yeah, I think they.
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: Came on authentically. And a lot of housewives have come
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: on authentically but have changed, have produced, have gotten their
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: heads blown out of their, you know, think they're more
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: important than the others. They never did. They're still funny.
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: They're talented. They're funny if the cameras are on or off. So...
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: I think that's really great. And I think, you know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: people are really excited.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: My friend Chris worked on it.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Can someone tell me how, how am I going to
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: watch E? I have no idea how I'm going to
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: watch E.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know yet.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: I have no idea.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: I think it'll, I don't know.
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: Well, somebody better tell me. Okay.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: But my friend Chris worked on that show and he
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: said he laughed so much.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: The golden life. Yeah.
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: He said it, it was so much fun to make
• 23:37
  Speaker 3: and just easy. Like they're just easy to work with,
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: he said.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. they're pros and they're down to earth.
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: And yes, they're, they're, they're not like the complaints about
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: them as being one percenters and not totally aware and
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: boomers and not, and not being.
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: Politically correct, politically correct. That's what we wanted to watch.
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: We wanted to watch people that lived a life that
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: we didn't live. And then there was that period where
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: people were angry that they were the way they were.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, you want an authentic person. Yeah. And
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: you're trying so hard.
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: To make sure that if they do trip up and
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: if they do say something that could be offensive to somebody, like,
• 24:22
  Speaker 4: get on fire. And like that whole thing was so
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: dumb because it's like now they're on E.
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: Now they're on E.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. I remember him telling me that he
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: would just call Sonia and say, you know, we need
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: to record. And she would just let them in. Like
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: she didn't have a bra on, no makeup, like morning breath.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: No one would ever do that again.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she doesn't care. That's what I love.
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: Okay, so let's go back to... So Salt Lake, I mean,
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: I can't really.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: It's good.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I can't really remember what the last episode was. What
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: were they doing? It wasn't anything too dramatic.
• 25:01
  Speaker 4: Oh, no, the new girl. The new girl who's not
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: in this poster. So she was friends with Whitney... Where
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: they she is.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Her former her sister-in-law who passed away was Whitney's best friend.
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: So her husband's sister is the girl that passed away.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: OK, so she's very pretty and she comes on the
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: show and she was a makeup artist or something that
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: met this rich guy. And so she's wealthy, very wealthy,
• 25:36
  Speaker 4: building this big house. And, you know, it was just
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: they go to San Francisco for St.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: Patrick's Day.
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: And it was production wise, it was just a lot
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: of we we sit down and we get you to
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: talk say something about somebody. Then we misconstrue it. We
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: tell that person. So then you're mad. Then you confront
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: that person. It's a lot of, um, you said this
• 26:02
  Speaker 4: about me.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: No, I didn't. Well, so-and-so told me that you said it. What?
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: You said it wrong. Flashback. It was a little bit wrong,
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: but not totally wrong. Well, now I'm upset.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: And now it's like, it's a lot of, you know, he's,
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: she said what she said and she said, and you said,
• 26:20
  Speaker 4: and you said, you don't like me. And I said, well,
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: I do like you, but I don't like you when
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: you do that. And it's like, come on, but you
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: gotta have, I guess they feel you gotta have it.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: So I don't know. I, I feel like all of
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: the shows, I just want to see someone in their life.
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: You know what I did like on Real Housewives of
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: Orange County, the last episode, the one thing that I
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: actually thought was interesting was listening to Heather and Terry
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: talk about their aging parents and taking care of them.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: But then Heather talked about what it was like to
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: grow up in her own house, how her sister was perceived,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: I think she said, as like the smart one and
• 26:53
  Speaker 3: she was the performer. Then I'm like, okay, that's useful information.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Now I understand her a little bit better. Then I thought,
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: in the scenes where she's with her mom, sometimes it
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: seems like she gets frustrated at her mom, like her
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: mom dismisses the things that she says. And then it
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: makes me think about all the moments she's had with
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: Terry on the show where it may have come across
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: as she was being too sensitive or he made her
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: feel like she was being too sensitive and then I
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: thought well that makes sense because probably when she was
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: growing up her mom kind of just like dismissed.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Her I remember I took this parenting class and they
• 27:28
  Speaker 4: said that's like the worst thing that you can do
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: is start even if you think it's positive is to
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: label your kids as like right well your brother's the
• 27:36
  Speaker 4: math genius but you're the dancer and Or you're the
• 27:40
  Speaker 4: one who's good in literature, but your sister's really the scientist.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: Well, I've told you that's what my mom did. My
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: mom was like, you're the smart one, but your sister's
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: the beautiful one. But that was what happened in her
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: own house. She was the smart one, and my aunt
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: was like the one who was the golden child. So
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of parents kind of duplicate it
• 27:58
  Speaker 3: without realizing it. I think our generation is better.
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: Well, my mom was just obsessed that my sister, she
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: had five kids and only one had blue eyes. which
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: was my sister Shannon. So she would buy us like similar,
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: like the same outfit. And Shannon's was always in blue
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: and mine was just whatever other color it came into.
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: And then one day I just like jokingly said it
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: to my mom, like, I guess you'll never buy me
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: anything blue because I don't have blue eyes or whatever.
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: It was like a knife to her heart.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: And she was like, after that, I got everything in
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: blue and she kind of realized it. And I just,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: I mean, obviously it wasn't a big deal, but it
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: is kind of that, I know people kind of do it,
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: and they think that it's like a way for your
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: kids not to be competitive, but you're kind of diminishing
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: their potential.
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: Or their individuality. But I was telling you that on
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: top of that, my mom used to say to me,
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: because my parents were separated by the time I was born,
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: they were never together. And I'm obviously blonde and blue-eyed
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: and fair-skinned, and my sister looks more like you. So
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: it seemed like with your sister. My sister has olive skin,
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: brown hair, and brown eyes, but my mom would say,
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: your father didn't think that you were really his child
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: because you don't look like him. And then she would,
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: I know. And then she would say like, she was
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: the golden child.
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: Megan.
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: It was like, it was as if she was Cindy
• 29:17
  Speaker 3: Crawford at our house. Like she would walk through and
• 29:19
  Speaker 3: I'm like this like pale girl. And I was like,
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: so that when my, I met up with my dad, finally,
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: when I was 32, my sister found him and I
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: flew to Philadelphia to meet up with him. I was
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: trying to get the cover of the straw to get
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: his DNA. because I was still convinced.
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: I'm like, and did you?
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I was like, Robert Redford may
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: be my father. So I kept asking my mom, did
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: you have an affair? And she'd say, unfortunately, I didn't.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: So I tried to get the straw, but he kept
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: the cover on the straw. I took a 23andMe test.
• 29:55
  Speaker 3: And then this person that looked unusual, I didn't recognize him.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: was listed. His name was Alan. I said, do you
• 30:02
  Speaker 3: by any chance know, you know, your dad?
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: And he said, oh yeah, he's like this crazy, like
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: second cousin in our, you know, like everyone in the
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: family talks about how weird it is. And then I
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: was like, okay, shit. Also, when I met him, the
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: one thing was that I have this weird memory, you know,
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: that like, I remember details about people and my dad
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: has about dates and history. Like he can tell you
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: anything about English, Irish history. And then I found out
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: that Superior Recall, is it, it, it is in every generation.
• 30:32
  Speaker 3: It just shows up differently. And that was the other thing.
• 30:35
  Speaker 2: Recalling, recalling memories. Yeah.
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: Like my grandmother could read sheet music.
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: Um, my dad has it with history, but I have
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: it with details about people, which is why you can
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: text me and go, what was the made for TV
• 30:46
  Speaker 3: movie starring Tori Spelling in, you know, 1983. And I
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: remember it, but yeah, I did not look like him.
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: And that was the message that was like, well, you know,
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: you're the smart one. You're not the beautiful one. And
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: also he didn't really think you were his.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: That is just awful. Yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: And now I have these five kids that look like
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: carbon copies. And I think it was because God was
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: throwing me a bone.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: And they're like, I'm going to make it so easy
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: that no one has to say to you. Because people
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: my whole life have been like, are you sure your sisters,
• 31:15
  Speaker 3: you look so different. But then if we're in the
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: same room, our voices are exactly the same.
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: That's like my sister and I, yeah.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: But when I look at you and your sister, I
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: think your faces are the same.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, some people say that.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: But then when I saw your mom's picture... I mean,
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: I have never seen a daughter look.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: You're almost like the Cindy Crawford, Kaya Gerber. That's like
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: you and your mom.
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's so sweet. I think she's a lot prettier
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: than I am.
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: Getting back to this thing with the Real Housewives of OC,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: I agree with you.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting.
• 31:45
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, Heather needed to bring in the
• 31:48
  Speaker 4: big guns, which is her mother.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: For this season. She's great TV. But she did also
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: move her out here. Yeah. So I thought that was great.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: And then it was funny. She's like, we're going to
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: have an art show for you. I didn't realize the
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: mom was an artist. And I think her artwork is
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: really good. And the mom's like, well, finally. And I
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: did think her daughter's been famous. Even before Housewives, she
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: was a successful actress. She's been really famous in Housewives
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: for whatever it's been, 17 years, and never once highlighted
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: her mother's art.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: But that precisely is exactly why I watch these shows.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, why the mom would be like, I have a
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: little bit of like, well, finally.
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: But maybe her mom was married to a husband who
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: kind of dismissed her, too.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Well, he was always in Puerto Vallarta.
• 32:35
  Speaker 3: Puerto Vallarta, so.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I think.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Um, getting on this, this show, we've talked to some
• 32:41
  Speaker 4: about it, but I just want to, you know, listen,
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: I know we're.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: Not supposed to talk about people's kids.
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: Kids are off limits, but we, if we're talking about
• 32:49
  Speaker 4: the housewives, part of them is being a mom and
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: a parent. And I am so sick of hearing Emily
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: be annoyed by her kids.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Kids are annoying. It happens, okay? And it's constant, not
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: just with Luke. Oh, Luke kept calling me. Look, I
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: couldn't even have a good time at the Persian party.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: Look how many times Luke called me. Luke has to
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: stay at home because this is too much for him.
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: You know, Annabelle's annoying. You're eating too much. Go away.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Leave us alone, Annabelle.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: I'm like, how's Annabelle going to think when she sees
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: this thing? And I am like, listen, I know it's
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: her job now. It's her career now. But if something
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: happens with the show and she doesn't continue, I hope
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: she sees it as a life's rejection is God's protection
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: thing and just dive into the next five years of
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: her life, seeing if maybe being present, maybe if not
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: being on TV will help with this child. I'm sorry
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: that I'm talking about it, but that's all she's talked
• 33:52
  Speaker 4: about for three years. So I wonder in hearing her
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: complain about it in interviews and everything, And that he
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: I know it's like a real thing called pandas and
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: an eating disorder.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: But I just.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: Wonder if the fact that, you know, he realized a
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: couple of years ago that he's on TV and that
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: his mom's on TV, if this doesn't have some effect.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: And I hope to God that it gets better. But
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm just going to say it. I wonder
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: why wouldn't it have something to do with it? Kids
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: develop things when their parents get divorced. Kids develop things
• 34:28
  Speaker 4: when they move. Kids develop something when they have.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: Like a terminally ill parent. I don't know. Is that
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: an awful thing to say? Maybe it is.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: How old are they? She's been on the show six seasons,
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: so like what, seven years?
• 34:42
  Speaker 4: The twins are like 10 or 11, and the Annabelle's
• 34:45
  Speaker 4: like 13 or 14.
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: So I'm remembering the Ultimate Girls Trip conversation where Kyle
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: said Portia really doesn't have any memory of, life without
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: cameras her daughter Portia yeah I wonder if her Emily's
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: kids they.
• 34:58
  Speaker 4: Were like three-year-old twins when it started they were really
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: little they're like three or four years.
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: Old I wonder too then when they're not asked back
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: and the cameras go away if that's weird like I
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: was really good friends with Bronwyn while she was filming
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: Orange County and her kids were really little yeah And
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: the cameras were like a big part of their life.
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: And she loved being on a TV show. She had
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: a hard time when the cameras went away.
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: She had a whole identity crisis.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Well, she was one of the housewives.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: She's now married to a woman and looks very different
• 35:34
  Speaker 4: from when she's still pretty, but looks very different.
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: She's so happy. One of the things she said is,
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: I feel like all that stuff I was doing for maintenance,
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: I was trying to make myself look attractive for a man.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: It was interesting.
• 35:45
  Speaker 3: And I don't have to do it anymore.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: When I saw her and she's wearing like this kind
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: of cool green dress, she's at Tamara's party where Tamara
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: invited all these old housewives for her Vena event, which
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: was very smart of her to do. And I'm like,
• 35:58
  Speaker 4: they show Broadway and I'm like, you know what it's
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: like when you see somebody and you're like, did we
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: go to high school together?
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: I'm like, why does she look familiar?
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: Because I haven't seen her on my TV in so long.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: And you just kind of have to look because she
• 36:08
  Speaker 4: used to have the typical long blonde hair, hair extensions
• 36:12
  Speaker 4: and the boobs out and all this. And now she's
• 36:14
  Speaker 4: just like, looks very like at peace and cool. And, um, yeah,
• 36:20
  Speaker 4: that was kind of interesting. And so then, yeah, like
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: there was the Lynn Curtin showed up and Quinn showed
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: up and who else from the past?
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: Oh, Gina Keough.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Gina.
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: And who you always call Gina Kino.
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: So I always first count names.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Gina Keough.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: Keough. Yeah.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: And, So that was interesting, you know, cause it was like,
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: here she is. And remember that was, that was the
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: scene between Gina and Tamara is what changed the trajectory
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: of the show with fighting, which was Tamara was going
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: through a divorce with Simon. She found out that Gina
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: was talking to Simon and was like, don't talk to
• 37:00
  Speaker 4: my ex-husband while I'm going through this. So that's when
• 37:02
  Speaker 4: she sends the cease and desist and at the party
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: she And they get in an argument and Tamara throws
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: the wine in Gina's face.
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Which was preceded by her telling Simon, I want
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: a divorce in the limo.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: No, no, no. That was a different party.
• 37:21
  Speaker 3: I was going to say, wow.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: That was the previous.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: That is like an epic episode.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: That was the previous season. Oh, okay.
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: And that was how that season ended.
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: That makes sense.
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: And then she threw the drink at her.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like, not only where is your loyalty, but you're
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: actually baiting him.
• 37:38
  Speaker 4: And then she said she was so freaked out after
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: she did that that she didn't take her makeup off
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: in case she got arrested and she had to go
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: to prison. She wanted to, like, look cute. So she
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: was scared she'd get in trouble for that, throwing the wine.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: That's what I remember.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: But they, of course, made up, and she came for
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: her free apps and free vino drinks and, you know,
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: got to be on TV.
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: Was she doing okay?
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think at that point she hadn't been diagnosed,
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: so I don't know how she's doing.
• 38:05
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  Speaker 4: or you know Tamara but like there's no way you
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  Speaker 4: could get your husband to go to a party where
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  Speaker 4: his ex-girlfriend who he was involved in a lawsuit with
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: was there yeah and you have to tell the the
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  Speaker 4: in a full-blown tuxedo no way like no guy wants
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  Speaker 3: I feel like I saw somewhere where she said she
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: paid him to show up. Did I see that right?
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: Who said that?
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: Alexa said she had to pay John to show up
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: or something. I feel like I saw that somewhere.
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: There's no way that she would say that, even if.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: It was true.
• 42:20
  Speaker 3: But I'm also like, if you're married, how are you paying, huh?
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: Well, anyway, getting, going to.
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  Speaker 3: Like, when Sai said that thing about her husband, they
• 42:31
  Speaker 3: went out to dinner for her birthday, and they had
• 42:32
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  Speaker 3: So like, what's the big deal?
• 42:40
  Speaker 4: Well, that's probably why they also broke up is that
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: when the, because they, the money wasn't theirs together, you know,
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: and she had a chip on her shoulder that this
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• 42:54
  Speaker 4: probably feeling like step up to the plate, you know,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: don't get so comfortable and you know, whatever. So that
• 43:01
  Speaker 4: was probably didn't help the situation, but on ultimate girls trip.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: It was, I feel like this is like too many episodes.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: It just ended. No, I know.
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: I think it was too many.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: I liked it.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: I think it could have been like one or two shorter.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: I really liked it. I thought it was fun to watch.
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I was going to, I was going to
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: say about, I was just going to say about.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: The, oh, so when it was like, who gets to
• 43:30
  Speaker 4: get invited to these parties and who doesn't from each franchise.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Right, right, right. And I don't know how it was.
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know if it was the producers or each
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: girl got to have two people or they decided what.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Because, like, Heather Gay got to show up in Atlanta. Right.
• 43:45
  Speaker 4: And I don't know if that then got her an
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: invitation to the two parties later, which was to come
• 43:51
  Speaker 4: after Lisa Barlow.
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: I don't think so because Aaron Leach, he said in
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: an interview that they were asked to go to the
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Berkshires weeks in advance. Okay.
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah. To plan it out.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, because she was making fun of Jessel because she
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: said Jessel was invited last minute or weaseled her way
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: and drove from New York City to the Berkshires and
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: then drove back.
• 44:11
  Speaker 4: Well, it's my understanding, it's from my sources, that if
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: you got invited to go to the party, if you
• 44:17
  Speaker 4: weren't one of the cast members, you got five grand.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, good.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: So from all the parties, you got five grand. If
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: they invited you, you got five grand. Now, I think
• 44:26
  Speaker 4: there might have been some people they didn't have to
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: pay five grand to. But if they, you know, and
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: then there were some people that just were not invited.
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: They just did.
• 44:35
  Speaker 4: Not invite them, even though they would have been a draw.
• 44:38
  Speaker 4: Because I was like, why wasn't Ramona at any of
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: the New York things?
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: And maybe it's who knows why.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: But and Sonia, too, because I think they would have
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: gone for five grand, but maybe not.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: Um, that's a lot of women in one room. And
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: if you are wanting to be the star of the show, right.
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: And you're like, Oh, forget it. I'm already filming something else.
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: I'm already filming golden life. I don't need to do this.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: I don't, they, they've treated me like shit. I don't
• 45:02
  Speaker 4: need to show up to be an extra. Cause a
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: lot of them were like extras.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: They were not featured at all.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: So it's like, they should have, the only reason they
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: should go is like, I really love going to these parties.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: I'm going to work this trip around something else. I'm
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: going to go.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: It's a great thing. You know, all of that. Um, Now,
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: I think a great moment in it was when Andy
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: did bring Teresa and Melissa together. Because this has been what.
• 45:33
  Speaker 4: The contention between Teresa of New Jersey and Melissa Gorga
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: has always been a she said, she said. And I've
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: heard from both of them personally. According to Teresa, she
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: was on the show. And she had no idea that
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: they had hired Melissa until she got a call and
• 45:55
  Speaker 4: said they've been hired. And they didn't ask her about
• 46:01
  Speaker 4: it and she didn't want it because she knew that
• 46:04
  Speaker 4: the show would expose fighting or something. Even though they
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: weren't really fighting with siblings back then because she came
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: on second season. But Melissa has said that She let
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: her know they want to interview me and that Teresa said, good,
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: go ahead.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: It's fine, whatever. See what you can do.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: But I was like, from the very beginning, I was like,
• 46:29
  Speaker 4: I could see why Teresa was like, this is my thing.
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: And I don't want you guys on it. And I
• 46:35
  Speaker 4: could see why Melissa was like, well, they want me.
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: And I'm not going to turn down an opportunity when
• 46:40
  Speaker 4: I've been the girl that, you know, was in the
• 46:42
  Speaker 4: dance recitals and everything. And I like to be on display,
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: on display. And my husband obviously likes being a star.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: He's doing standup. He loves the TV light. So they
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: were like jealous.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: And I think the first year she didn't really like
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: invite them or feature them.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure. Someone said, no, they were in the
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: background of one of the parties or whatever.
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: I think they were.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: So then when she comes to the christening, which is
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: the beginning of the second season, she said, Teresa, that
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: it was, it felt like it came out of nowhere.
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: How he was like, walk away. you piece of trash.
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: And she's like, I just want to say congratulations.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: She felt that it was like, that he was doing,
• 47:21
  Speaker 4: he was trying to have his flip the table moment
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: and that he was so angry, you know, and all
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: of that to just like start off on a thing. Um,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: but now that they're at this place, I think it
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: took them realizing that the show is going to be
• 47:37
  Speaker 4: canceled if we don't make up. And I think they
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: finally came together and they're like, look, We should come
• 47:43
  Speaker 4: together for our kids, but we also want to keep
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: this show going.
• 47:48
  Speaker 3: We have a lot of bills that we need to pay.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: We have a lot of bills that we need to pay.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: And we have a big mortgage and kids in college.
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: And I do believe that, you know, as time goes
• 47:56
  Speaker 4: on and you enter your 50s, which Teresa is there,
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: I think, is.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: You just, I think she just kind of was like,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: who cares?
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure they still hate each other, but they,
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: for the sake of, wanting to be on television and
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: what the money and opportunities that come for it. And,
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: or maybe just the.
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: Knowledge of like, I'm not going to give it anymore.
• 48:18
  Speaker 4: I'm not going to give what they want from me anymore.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: Like getting so angry and getting upset and you know,
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: I'm not doing anymore.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: I'll be on the show.
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Looks exhausted. She just feel, I feel like she's just.
• 48:29
  Speaker 4: Like, I think she's actually like quieter life. I think
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: she actually really is like a calm person. Like, when
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: I've had conversations with her, she really is, like, kind
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: of a slow talker, honestly, and is just sort of, like, chill.
• 48:47
  Speaker 4: And so I think that's the real Teresa, you know?
• 48:51
  Speaker 3: So in other words, like, it requires a lot of
• 48:54
  Speaker 3: her to... Yeah, because somebody... I know somebody who's worked
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: on that show, and they said she's, like, three beats behind.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: And she never watched... She wouldn't watch the show.
• 49:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, which you have to.
• 49:05
  Speaker 4: Right, and she wouldn't watch the show, so that it's like...
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: And then I think she was just... hearing things from
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: other people and then would get upset and.
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: She's like wait what but.
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah I I remember like I looked through like some
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: dms that I had with her and I was went
• 49:19
  Speaker 4: back and I watched the old thing and I was
• 49:21
  Speaker 4: kind of like, Oh my God, this would be so upsetting.
• 49:23
  Speaker 4: Cause in the beginning, Melissa was quite snarky in her
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: confessions and stuff about Teresa. And I'm sure they were
• 49:30
  Speaker 4: poking her to do that.
• 49:31
  Speaker 3: I was just going to say this in the middle
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: of this.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: Are people who work on the show and encircle the
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: show who are winding them up. And I hope that
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: the two of them have had conversations about that. The
• 49:43
  Speaker 3: realization that there were outsiders that probably made this infinitely worse.
• 49:47
  Speaker 4: When I had Patrick McDonald on, I saw somebody do
• 49:51
  Speaker 4: a video about that podcast. And I can't recall who
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: she is, but thank you for doing it because I
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: thought it was kind of profound. She's like, I just
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: listened to Heather McDonald's episode about this. And she's like,
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: I just realized that the reason the shows are the
• 50:07
  Speaker 4: way they are is because there's these male producers, you know,
• 50:12
  Speaker 4: and predominantly gay, not that that matters, but that were
• 50:16
  Speaker 4: kind of got the instructions to go in this direction.
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: And once the train was on the.
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: Track, they couldn't stop it. And that was fighting. She
• 50:25
  Speaker 4: said this about you. What if you, you know, like
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: constantly kind of like putting it up. Like I remember
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: the first time I was at like Heather Dubrow's groundbreaking
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: party off to the side was a producer telling Heather, Now,
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: aren't you upset that so and so was late at
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: the last thing? And I was like, oh, they're like
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: prodding them to be mad about something in real life.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: If you were a housewife and you or you were
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: friends with the other mothers at school, you just wouldn't
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: dwell on somebody being 30 minutes late to your party.
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: You know, like you wouldn't like. But because it's like
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: this is what we have to do now.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: We have to be mad.
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: I also wonder if there was somebody who would talk
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: to Melissa and say, you've got to go on this show.
• 51:06
  Speaker 3: I mean, you're much more entertaining than she is. Look
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: how she's done you wrong. Like, winding her up. Apparently
• 51:14
  Speaker 3: it was Danielle. Well, that's a problem.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: Apparently it was Danielle.
• 51:18
  Speaker 4: There were emails between Danielle and Melissa that then Teresa saw.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: That was all this behind the scenes, not being honest.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: So Teresa's argument was like, why wouldn't you have just
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: come to me and been like, hey, I want to
• 51:31
  Speaker 4: be on the show.
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: We want to be on the show.
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: You know, they're coming to us and like, let's make
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: this really fun and we could be on it too.
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 51:40
  Speaker 4: But I think they were like, if we did that.
• 51:44
  Speaker 4: They also said that the producer said don't tell her.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: I'm sure.
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: And so they're following the rules of producer.
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: There are all these other people involved.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: And they're like, if you tell.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: Her, then we may not be able to get you
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: on the show. And they really want to be on
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: the show. They're seeing how big of a star she is.
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: She's on covers of magazines. She's getting all this money.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: And they're two thirst buckets in the best possible way.
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: They're funny and entertaining to watch, so.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: They're like, we wanna do it too, and they want us,
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: so what's the problem?
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: Well, also there are people saying, this is really a
• 52:15
  Speaker 3: franchise which is all about families, so it's gonna be
• 52:18
  Speaker 3: much better. Teresa's actually gonna look even better because her
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: family's brought in.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Right, and they probably said, whatever issues you guys have,
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: you'll be able to work it out while you all
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: get to be on TV.
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: And your parents get to be on TV.
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: Oh, and see what a great Italian-American family's about.
• 52:33
  Speaker 3: And we'll take you to Italy, and you can go
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: back to the homeland and the village.
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: Right, and look at the Manzos, how well it worked
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: with them having multiple siblings on it.
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: Meanwhile, Teresa and Melissa are sleeping in their beds at
• 52:44
  Speaker 3: night with one eyeball open, like, come back to the mic. They're, like, wired.
• 52:49
  Speaker 4: But now they said, we're going to make it work,
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: but we'll see. Maybe it'll be a great season.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: Maybe it'll be kind of dull. Who knows? Okay, getting,
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: let me see. So was there anything, I thought it
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: was fun. I liked the show in the end.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I really enjoyed Giselle on it. I thought she was
• 53:08
  Speaker 3: really great. And Portia. I thought they were all great.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: And even though Vicky was a Debbie Downer with her
• 53:13
  Speaker 4: bum knee, I thought she added to the entertainment of
• 53:16
  Speaker 4: the show and the combination of all of them and
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: Luann and everything.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: I did think there was a kind of a funny moment.
• 53:23
  Speaker 4: Where the Rhode Island girls come. Nobody knows who they
• 53:27
  Speaker 4: are because the show hasn't aired. But they're in the
• 53:30
  Speaker 4: middle of filming their show. So they're fighting like it's
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: a show. And then Dorinda's like, you're not going to
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: have episode six during my party.
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: This is about Bluestone Manor. I have a beautiful party.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: We're the seniors. You're the freshmen.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: And you've got to respect us and not go take
• 53:46
  Speaker 4: it out on the lawn.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: Take a cameraman with you. That's not what we're doing here.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: And it was kind of like here you have this
• 53:53
  Speaker 4: opportunity to like learn from the best.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah. But it was good. OK.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: Real Housewives of New York.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: How are you feeling about it?
• 54:06
  Speaker 3: I liked the last episode. The fact that they're on
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: this private island. And they're talking shit about the house.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: That makes me laugh because you know what? One of
• 54:15
  Speaker 3: my favorite TikTok videos is somebody who has three cents
• 54:18
  Speaker 3: in their bank account. Walking through a neighborhood and being
• 54:22
  Speaker 3: critical of million dollar mansions that they can't afford. That's
• 54:25
  Speaker 3: funny to me. That's basically what they were doing.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: Like someone's like, I would never want a modern farmhouse.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: I would die if I had to live in a
• 54:34
  Speaker 4: modern farmhouse. I'm like, oh, you die if you live
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: in a brand new house.
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Exactly.
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: That was, you know, listing price of six million dollars.
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: I would much rather have a classic.
• 54:43
  Speaker 3: And I don't like those. I don't like the doorway.
• 54:45
  Speaker 3: I don't like the frame of that. I don't like
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: their landscaping.
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 54:49
  Speaker 3: So I liked it for that reason.
• 54:50
  Speaker 4: So for people not watching, they go this one girl
• 54:53
  Speaker 4: who is like a kickboxer or something.
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: She wasn't also a wrestler, was she? No, no, no, no.
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: She's like a fitness person.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: Fitness person, yeah.
• 55:02
  Speaker 4: And she falls in love with this young guy whose
• 55:05
  Speaker 4: family and he are billionaires.
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm. And they have this island out in the Virgin Islands.
• 55:11
  Speaker 3: It's called Mosquito Island.
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: Very close to Epstein Island.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: It's across from Necker Island, which is Richard Branson's island.
• 55:18
  Speaker 3: So Richard Branson actually owned the island, and then he
• 55:21
  Speaker 3: sold parts of it. So there are seven or eight
• 55:24
  Speaker 3: families there. that have properties, and it's like an HOA
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: where they share tennis courts and a pool.
• 55:30
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: But we don't know that at first.
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: They think they're going to their private island.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: Not that it matters that there's other houses.
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 55:37
  Speaker 4: They're in this big mansion. They have a staff. They
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: greet them as their little boat comes. Very White Lotus.
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: And she shows everybody the room, and the rooms all
• 55:47
  Speaker 4: look beautiful and face the water, but they realize that
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: the beds fold into like a love seat.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Right. So they're like, oh, my God, is this a
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: folding bed? So that was their first bitch.
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: And then we have this girl, Daisy, who's very attractive.
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: And she's a makeup artist and her husband's a hairdresser.
• 56:03
  Speaker 4: And they're lucky enough to have a rent-controlled apartment.
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: So they're staying in that apartment.
• 56:10
  Speaker 4: And her biggest claim to fame is that she's Martha
• 56:13
  Speaker 4: Stewart's makeup artist and plus one to everything.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: So she has seen the best of the best. But
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: she's still a makeup artist in a rent control. Correct.
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: With popcorn ceilings. You know, watch out for those asbestos.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: But whatever.
• 56:31
  Speaker 4: And so she's sitting there with Aaron. And they are talking.
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: And they know their mics are on.
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: But they are whispering.
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: And they're like, is this kind of like a dump? Like,
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: this is not that great. This is not that great.
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: About this house that is beautiful. Overlooking. It's the water.
• 56:47
  Speaker 4: There is a view that doesn't have anything. clear blue
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: water all around it a pool and everything and here
• 56:54
  Speaker 4: this she's just like martha wouldn't like it martha wouldn't
• 56:56
  Speaker 4: like it but you know that that's kind of good
• 56:58
  Speaker 4: tv so they sit down and um they do this
• 57:02
  Speaker 4: thing which was just like i would have thought was
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: a great idea but like oh my god they're only
• 57:07
  Speaker 4: there for a couple nights but they they put the
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: table in the shallow part of the water so it's
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: like you could sit with your and i'm assuming the
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: water probably 90 degrees whatever.
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: But like it starts to rain. Everyone's just miserable.
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: And the other part is that Jessel, who's like really
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: become a very snarky, bitchy character.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know if she was always like that or
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: she's just leaning into it.
• 57:30
  Speaker 4: But in a previous conversation, this girl, Erin, had her
• 57:34
  Speaker 4: house flood. And it's going to be a lot of
• 57:36
  Speaker 4: damage and she lost a lot of personal things. And Daisy,
• 57:40
  Speaker 4: the makeup artist, goes, you know, the girls, Jessel and
• 57:43
  Speaker 4: the one who owns this mansion, this island, we kind
• 57:47
  Speaker 4: of joked that it was an insurance thing. Like maybe
• 57:52
  Speaker 4: she let it flood so that she could get insurance
• 57:55
  Speaker 4: money or whatever. And Aaron, rightfully so, gets really fucking upset.
• 58:00
  Speaker 4: And it's really gross and it's a really mean thing
• 58:02
  Speaker 4: and it's kind of like a defamation type of a
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: thing to throw around. But again, they're not saying in
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: a court of law. They didn't write it in a book.
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: They're living a reality show. So if you're supposed to
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: be living your life Someone might say that and they're not,
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: the whole thing is forget the cameras are there, right?
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: So you say something kind of bitchy, snarky, whatever. And
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: then the producer's like, remember that snarky thing, repeat it.
• 58:29
  Speaker 4: And so that's like their weird fight. But I found
• 58:33
  Speaker 4: last night's episode funny.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: I think it's, I like it. I think it's getting good.
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: I thought it was a good episode.
• 58:38
  Speaker 4: I like, you know, I like their dynamic. I think,
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: I also think Carol is just funny and interesting and
• 58:45
  Speaker 4: her like commentary is kind of nice and needed.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: And yeah, I'm like, I'm now I'm like kind of
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: into it.
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: I'm also into the fact that Erica is married to
• 58:57
  Speaker 3: a billionaire, but doesn't like to spend a lot of money,
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: which by the way is why, super rich people stay rich.
• 59:04
  Speaker 3: They don't spend a lot of money, but because I'm wondering,
• 59:09
  Speaker 3: she's from Texas. She said her father was a doctor,
• 59:12
  Speaker 3: but I'm someone that's very similar to that. I grew
• 59:15
  Speaker 3: up with nothing. I can never turn the volume down
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: on that. It will, it will be in my brain.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: It was just like my, my stepfather grew up during
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: the depression and he would always scream at us if
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: we had lights on. I'm still like that today. I'm
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: like turning lights out because I don't want to waste money.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: You can't turn it down, even if you become the
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: wife of a billionaire.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: My dad would always say I'm a depression kid.
• 59:38
  Speaker 2: And then I was like, am I a recession kid?
• 59:40
  Speaker 4: Because I've lived through a recession. The conversations I have
• 59:46
  Speaker 4: in my head are like, wow, I really want this salad.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: But this salad has the avocado. And then it's like, Heather.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: You could add a half of avocado to your salad. Well,
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: then that's making that salad $ 17. And I just think
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: that's ridiculous to spend $ 17 on a lunch. Because it's
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 4: in your head. Heather, this girl behind you that's 19
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 4: is going to spend $ 20 on her salad.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but whatever.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 4: And then I'm like, Heather, what are you saving it for?
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 4: You could die tomorrow. Have that half of an avocado.
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 4: It's going to really kind of make the salad. I
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: have to literally fight with myself to be like splurged.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: So no, I'm not someone who's buying shit at Chanel
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: or anything like that.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: So I think what's cool is that she, it doesn't.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Matter how much money you make, either someone who kind
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: of gets off on finding something similar.
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: For a great price and a great deal.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: Also, even though she's married to a billionaire and probably
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: could spend what she wants, we don't know.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 3: The dynamics.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 4: We don't know if she gets... $ 10, 000 a month, because
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 4: I've known women that are married to billionaires, a couple,
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: and they have an amount, and they can spend that.
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: So if they only spend $ 2, 000, then that $ 8, 000 can
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: be saved for something else. They don't have to ask
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: about it. They don't have to say, my sister needs $ 2, 000.
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: We don't know what the situation is. She knows she's
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: protected by being married. Whatever that prenup is, she's not
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: ever going to be homeless. But whatever the dynamic is,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: she doesn't have to share that with us either.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 3: She also may not have to share the money she
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: makes from being on the show. Obviously, it'll be much
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 3: more if she's on for three seasons with him. That's
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 3: only hers, and he doesn't have to be involved in it.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: So I'm into that story. I would tell anybody that's married.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: To somebody with that big of a dichotomy not to
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: get comfortable, to always kind of, you know, and every
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: couple years I would say, ask for something big in
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: your name. Say like, I want to buy this duplex
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: or I want to buy, can I have this in my,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: if you're not making the money and like if you're,
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 4: you know, and if hopefully your prenup is one of
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: those things that you get based on how many years
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: you stay married or whatever, because I'm sure his money's
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: in a trust. So I'm sure have they, if they
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: get divorced, she's not getting half of the Island house.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: That's right.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: You know, like a normal couple that maybe bought the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: Island house. you know, with his hedge fund money, but
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: they've been married for 10 years.
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: Right. So, you know, who knows? But I find all
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: that like interesting and she's cute to look at.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: There's a lot to talk about on that show and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 2: You just did an episode that on Reality Life with
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: Kate Casey about one of my favorite movies, St. Elmo's Fire. Yeah.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: Tell me about that. Okay.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: So I tracked down the screenwriter. The story is based
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: on his real life. He, so he's from Pittsburgh. He
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 3: works at this hotel called St.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: Elmo.
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: He falls in love with this other waitress who's also
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: working at the hotel. And that is the Andy McDowell character.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: He is the Emilio Estevez character who's like obsessed with
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: this girl. So he writes a short story while he's
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: at Duke. And wins this contest through Universal.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: Just about that story.
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 3: It was just about that story.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: A guy planning for this woman. Yeah.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 3: And he wins this contest. And it affords him the
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: opportunity to go to L.A. for a couple weeks. He
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 3: meets Joel Schumacher, who was this famed director. And he
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: becomes his assistant. And Joel has had some luck with
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 3: some movies. And then he says, well, why don't we
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: take your script out? And why don't we do something
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: together and make it about like college kids? So a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 3: lot of the characters are based on kids he knew
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: because he's in his early 20s. Joel is in his 60s.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 3: He worked in the fashion industry and then got into movies.
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 3: So they write this script together. And he says this
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 3: one moment, and I thought it was so relatable, is
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: when there's like a power disparity, especially with age too.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 3: So they write this whole movie together. It sells everything.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 3: And he had his, Joel was very overt about his
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 3: sexuality and his sexual escapades with his assistant.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: So Joel was gay.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: Joel's gay. Okay. And he's talking all the time about
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 3: all of the sexual experiences that he's having. Carl, the
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 3: screenwriter is a little bit more dorky. I mean, he
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: was obsessed with this girl that he was chasing. Like
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 3: he's a little bit more awkward. They've sold the script
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 3: and now there's going to be a conversation about like
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 3: the equity of it. And, Joel says to him some
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: crazy story about sexual escapades and how somebody was just
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: like a casual fuck. That's the exact words. And Carl
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: sort of confused, like, why are you telling me this story?
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: And he goes, you're sort of like a casual fuck.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: No one knows who you are, Carl. So here's what's
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: going to happen. I'm going to get 80 percent and
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: you're going to get 20 percent.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 2: Of this of the movie movie.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 3: Even though Carl wrote, it's based on his thing, his experiences,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 3: his friends, everything. He's like, you're going to get 20.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 3: I'll get 80. If you have a problem with that,
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 3: you can walk away and you won't get anything. But
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 3: I'm the one who has the experience. I'm the one
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 3: who has the movie making connections. So you have to
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: be fine with that or you have to walk away.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: And the fact that he begins that by telling them
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: this like crass.
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: And that's after they've written it.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 3: Totally inappropriate story.
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 2: And after the movie's been sold. Yes. Is it in
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 2: production yet?
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: Not in production yet.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 2: Okay. So what happened?
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: So he was like, I didn't, he was sleeping on
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: a laundry room floor in LA. He has no money.
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: And he was like, I guess I have to accept it.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 3: And he was in the interview. He said, I've never
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 3: told anybody this story before.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 3: And as he, so he tells me a story. And
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 3: right before he tells me that 20, 80 story, I go,
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: I said, Oh, Carl, I'm like sick to my stomach
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 3: because they think about how many times we have these
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 3: weird experiences in business. Like I had one with a
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 3: client when I did, um, media, uh, strategy and consulting
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 3: where I had a client told, tell me that he
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: was taking Viagra with his wife and he was 60
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 3: and I was in my twenties and we're at this
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 3: coffee spot. And he said, yeah, she keeps complaining. It
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: feels like a pole going inside of her. And I
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 3: was like, am I on like, why are you telling
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: me this?
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 2: Like what?
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 3: Huh? And then he, and so he's telling me the
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 3: story and I'm so uncomfortable. And then he goes, so
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 3: I think that maybe, um, I'm going to, take our
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 3: retainer down. Let's say I was paid like $ 3, 500 a month.
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 3: He's like, I think I can only pay like $ 2, 000 now.
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 3: And I was so out of sorts because he had
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: told me this story that was so bizarre and inappropriate
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 3: that I couldn't really react in time to it. And
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: then I remember going home and telling my husband, he
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: was like, the guy was like baiting you. It's totally inappropriate.
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: So what did you do? I think I wrote like
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: one more email and I was like, I don't know
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: if I can make this meeting. And I never spoke
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: to him again. I never worked with the guy again, ever.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: Getting back to the St. Elmo's fire thing.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 3: But can you believe he did that? And then he goes, oh,
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 3: and by the way, you're only going to get 20%.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 4: So because it was such a big hit though, did
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: he still, did the writer then still make a lot
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 4: of money and be able to do other things even
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 4: though he.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: Got fucked out of this deal?
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 3: He did a couple things, but now he's a professor
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: at University of Pittsburgh.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: For anyone, you know, St. Olaf's Fire, that's a great movie.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 4: I always wonder, like, sometimes when I watch these movies
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 4: and I'm, like, all excited to share it with one
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 4: of my kids.
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 3: It doesn't hold up.
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: It doesn't hold up. They get kind of bored.
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 4: But, like, with this particular movie, what was so crazy
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 4: about it is when it came out, I was, like,
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 4: in high school.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: And the characters were all just one year out of
• 1:07:41
  Speaker 2: whatever college, whatever Boston school they went to.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: No, it was Georgetown.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: Georgetown.
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: They were only one year out.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 4: But this is like the 80s where everyone has shoulder
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: pads and like Judd Nelson was like working for a senator,
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: was going to like have a political career and he
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 4: has a girlfriend and they're going to get married and
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: they're smoking like they're 40.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: Well, this is important to bring up because he's explaining
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: to me this man's personality and he's domineering and he's
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 3: in his 60s. Carl is friends with the actors now.
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 3: They're all the same age.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: And a lot of the characters, he would rewrite stuff
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 3: in what he thought would be better. But he's in
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 3: his 60s.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: So then I'm like, okay. Like, for example, Judd and
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 3: Ally Sheedy's apartment, it's a penthouse.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: It's all white.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 3: With artwork. And I was like, why? I was like,
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: how are they so?
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: That was Joel. Yeah, I was like, how are they
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: so rich?
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: He made sure Ally Sheedy was dressed in Ralph Lauren.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 3: He got mad at her because she cut her hair
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 3: for another role.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 2: And he was like, how?
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 3: And I was like, that's another thing I said. If
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 3: he was that inappropriate with you, imagine what he was
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 3: saying to these actors and making them feel like shit. Oh,
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: remember Rob Lowe hooks up with Wendy, Mira Winningham's character.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 3: And she's like frumpy. She was pregnant while filming that,
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 3: by the way. okay but he like goes up her
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 3: leg and it reveals she's got yeah and then he
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: calls it her what is this scuba gear and she
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: gets up and she goes i don't think we should
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: talk anymore yeah and i asked him i'm like that
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: is such a horrific scene and he said joel always
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: made fat jokes and he thought it would be funny
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 3: So a 60-year-old man writing for 20-year-olds added that line,
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: and he thought it was funny because he worked in
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 3: the fashion industry.
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 4: But I am going to take Del's advocate in that
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 4: that was a very memorable scene.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: I know, but it was like pink.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: It was weird, and it was awful, but it was
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 4: like interesting. It was still interesting. But, well, everyone should
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: listen to your episode.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 3: By the way, it's two parts, so go and listen
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 3: to it.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 2: Reality Life with Kate Casey.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 4: Also, this is kind of interesting. So Kylie Jenner is
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 4: doing a movie or a series. Hulu just ordered the series.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 4: It's called Bachelorette Weekend Thriller. And she plays a bachelorette
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 4: with her girlfriends. And she dies early in the movie.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: And then the series is, you know, who killed her
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 4: and why. And Kim Kardashian is the EP. And they
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 4: have a big deal with Hulu.
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 2: I thought, okay.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: I think it's kind of great because I do think
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 4: that Kylie can maybe act.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: I really do. And I think she's pretty.
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 4: And I think this is a smart thing to do
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: because she'll probably die within the first episode, right? So
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 4: she's not in it throughout.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 4: But then whatever flashbacks are will probably be like slow-mo
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: and like her face and like something that she can do.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 4: So I kind of think it's a good– toe dip
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 4: into this world. And again, a thriller where a whodunit
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 4: with a bunch of women characters.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 2: It's, I think it's an original script. It's not like
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 2: based on a book or anything. Yeah.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 3: Who wrote the script? That'd be interesting.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure, but I just thought, you know, when
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 4: I met Kylie for the first time in she was
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 4: wanting to, she was doing a little Shakira dance on
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 4: a pool table. Like she, I think actually this is,
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 4: even though she went the reality show and then the
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: makeup and, but now that her kids are getting older
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: and she's dating an actor and I think, you know,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 4: she is really very attractive.
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 2: I I'm kind of excited. I'm, I we'll see.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 4: I mean, Kim Kardashian still doing her other thing, which is,
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 4: the lawyer show, which I could not get into.
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 3: I know. I just got an email. It's second season.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 3: It's about to, it's.
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 2: Supposed to take place in Rome or whatever.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 4: So it might be aesthetically kind of fun and cool.
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: I know people liked it.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: Um, but I think it's interesting that, you know, as
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 4: they are getting older, they're being smart and they're producing stuff. Yeah.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 4: Chloe's thing, the girls, that was a big dud, which
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 4: was Chloe's show where she just, I guess she promised
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 4: her friends, okay, I'll get you a show.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 2: And then all they did was just.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: Unscripted reality shows are hard. You have to be, like,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: super compelling people to compete with all of the other
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: shows that are out there.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: And then we thought Chloe was going to be in it,
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: and she really wasn't. And so, I don't know. I just...
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: I watched, like, one episode, and then that was it.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 3: If you're Chloe, you don't want to be on it
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 3: because you don't want people to say, like, oh, you're stealing...
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: you know, you're, you're stealing the show from them. It's
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 3: like a no win.
• 1:12:25
  Speaker 2: It's a no win. She doesn't want to leave her
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 2: Hidden Hills estate.
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 4: Like she doesn't want to have to do stuff she
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: doesn't want to do. So they made her like the
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 4: Carrie Bradshaw of it where she's like, these are my
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 4: friends and this is what's happening. And the girls were
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 4: like pretty to look at, but there just wasn't any,
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: they all just had like a G wagon and like
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 4: an ex.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: Ballplayer boyfriend, baby daddy.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: And they'd go to Castellina, which I love because there's
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: a juicy scoop cocktail there, which they would have featured that.
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 2: But that's about it.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: I also think people think certain people would be great
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: for TV, and then the film crew comes and they're duds.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: It just happens. Some people are just not meant to
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: be on TV.
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: But then I thought, well, at least these girls could
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 4: never say, like, Chloe, you never did anything for us.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: Truly.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 4: We've appeared on your show for 15 years as your friends.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: We're your plus ones for everything. All the events are
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: at your house. And I just saw Chloe and Paige–
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 4: they did a podcast together, Paige from Gig League Squad. And,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: you know, they're both very successful and stuff. And they
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 4: had this one moment that was clipped where they were like,
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 4: if I get invited to a party, I'm counseling.
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: Paige has always been like that.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 4: They're like, if I get invited to a birthday party,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: I'm counseling. Like if it's just me and one person
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 4: and we're meeting for lunch, like I'm going to go
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 4: because you're my one friend.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: But if you've got other people supporting you, why do
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: I have to go? And basically, because they're just at
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 4: a level where they just are like, I'm really rich.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 2: And if I don't want to go, I don't want
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: to go. And also, they're.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 3: Probably exhausted from all that comes with having to be
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 3: a public figure.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 2: Well, also, you don't know who's going to be.
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: I see both sides. I see the side of it
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 4: sounds like you're really selfish. Your friend would really love
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 4: to have all of her eight best friends being there,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 4: you being one of them. But the other part is
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 4: you're so famous now and you really don't want to
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 4: be seated next to someone, if you're Paige, where the
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: girl's like, hi, I'm so excited to meet you, Paige.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 4: I went to college with Melissa or whatever.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: Funny story, I'm starting a podcast now. And I just,
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: what is your tips? Yeah, right. And so she's kind
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: of like, geez.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 3: I want to be an influence, like for Paige, I
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 3: want to be an influencer.
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 4: And Paige is just like, oh my God, I like you, Melissa.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 4: I would have much rather taken you out to dinner,
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: just the two of us. So I do kind of
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 4: see what that is like. And so I kind of
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: appreciated their honesty in it, you know, as, as women
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: that are at a certain level that are just like,
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: I kind of like, I don't need to make any
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: new friends, but then sort of get like, but you're
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 4: there to support your friend.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 2: Yes. And no, a wedding. Yes.
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: You're going to go, you know, some big thing, but
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 4: maybe if it's just a 10 person girl dinner at
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: a private dining room.
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: But you know, you just, I don't know what you
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 4: do with that because it's like, I've been in that
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 4: position for, Back in the day and, you know, Chris
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 4: would come with her bodyguard and the bodyguard would sit
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: over there and she was very nice and brought me
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 4: a gift. But, yeah, it was probably coming to the
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 4: point where she's like, I don't want to do these
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: anymore because I'm giving up.
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: An evening and I don't know who these other people are.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: And they're a little starstruck and they're going to try
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: to get a photo and it's going to actually take
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: away from the person whose birthday I'm at.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, like let's say Paige goes to a dinner with
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 3: 10 girls. They're going to ask her a million questions
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 3: about Craig, who she does not want to speak about anymore.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 3: And they're going to ask her about Amanda and West.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: And she's going to be like, I haven't been on
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: this show. Like, I don't want to talk about it.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: She'd probably rather go to a situation where no one
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: knows her television experience at all.
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: Also, and a lot of regular people, when the dinner
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: comes on a Wednesday... that they agreed to a lot
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: of people I mean I'm not someone that cancels I
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: love a dinner party I want to be I like
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  Speaker 4: to go to things some people would say that's a
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  Speaker 4: bad trait that I like to be invited I don't
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  Speaker 4: I really appreciate being invited and I really like to
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  Speaker 4: go and if I said I'm gonna go I'm gonna
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  Speaker 4: go and um but I understand a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: I watch these TikToks when they're like when, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you get, you've seen the woman where you get the
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  Speaker 4: greatest call ever that the thing has been canceled and
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  Speaker 4: you're like jumping for joy. And I'm like, no, that's
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  Speaker 4: not me actually. And some people are like, I don't
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  Speaker 4: understand how you have the energy that you have, Heather,
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  Speaker 4: that you want to go, go, go, that you want
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  Speaker 4: to go like out to dinner and all that stuff
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  Speaker 4: all the time.
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  Speaker 3: Have you seen the videos of the woman who lives
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  Speaker 3: in New York by herself? And in the videos, it's
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  Speaker 3: like you obviously have a videographer and it's like, When
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  Speaker 3: you're you have no friends and you're all alone a
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  Speaker 3: day in my life and she wakes up in this
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  Speaker 3: apartment and it's like her getting out of bed. I'm like,
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  Speaker 3: who's videotaping this? And then she like makes her matcha
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  Speaker 3: and all this stuff. She goes in and she does
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  Speaker 3: literally 35 beauty treatments and they're all batshit crazy and
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  Speaker 3: like pulling on her mouth and stuff in her port.
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  Speaker 3: And she you see her getting in the shower. And
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, how long does this take to film? And
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  Speaker 3: then she goes to work and then you see her
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  Speaker 3: walking down the street. So it's not just like a
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  Speaker 3: tripod set up, but like walking and then like going
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  Speaker 3: into her building. And then she comes home. She walks in.
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  Speaker 3: She holds her cat, kisses the cat, takes off her shoes,
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  Speaker 3: takes some steam cleaner apparatus, cleans the bottom of her
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  Speaker 3: like Christian Louboutins, puts them in the closet and then
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  Speaker 3: does the whole beauty routine again. And then eats like
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  Speaker 3: a piece of pizza, watches a show and goes to bed.
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  Speaker 3: But and tons of people watch it, including you, because it's.
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  Speaker 2: Kind of a compelling how they do it.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I can't watch a lot of it because I'm like, wait,
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  Speaker 3: who is filming this?
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 3: And she insists that she's doing it herself with the tripod.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, it doesn't make any sense.
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  Speaker 2: I think it does make sense sometimes. But then I
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  Speaker 2: also when I can.
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  Speaker 3: Tell, I mean, beauty companies need to throw this woman
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  Speaker 3: a bone. She will use thirty five different things. And
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  Speaker 3: then it's like. tea with like potpourri in it and
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: then like every wackadoo wellness thing she's doing it.
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  Speaker 4: Um well one thing we didn't talk about we'll end
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  Speaker 4: on this alex earl said she's never read a book.
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  Speaker 2: You i think what it is is.
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  Speaker 3: Sure i think kids now i think don't have to.
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  Speaker 4: Read i think with ai and stuff like that i
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  Speaker 4: think you don't have to read the whole book i
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  Speaker 4: mean we used to have cliff notes but i would
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  Speaker 4: still read entire books and i still would enjoy reading
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  Speaker 4: a book And so I kind of appreciate her honesty.
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  Speaker 4: A lot of people don't have graduated from college and
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  Speaker 4: she's never read like a whole book all the way through.
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  Speaker 3: That to me is a little crazy. How did you
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  Speaker 3: graduate from University of Miami and never read a book?
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  Speaker 4: That to me is like, because you get the books,
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  Speaker 4: but I think it's really rare that you have to
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  Speaker 4: read the whole book.
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  Speaker 2: That, I mean, I think there's enough ways to get
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  Speaker 2: summaries and whatnot.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe she means like literature. Like she never read Catcher
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  Speaker 3: in the Rye.
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  Speaker 4: I think she means like, yeah, that in any assignment
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  Speaker 4: she got, with the help of whatever, the internet and AI,
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  Speaker 4: like she doesn't have to read the whole 300 pages.
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  Speaker 2: In order to, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I feel like we could hook her up with
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  Speaker 3: some suggestions.
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  Speaker 4: I feel like reading's gonna come back in style. I
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 4: heard reading was coming back in. That's why bookstores are
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: doing better and that people want, it looks cool to
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: like hold a real book and be out.
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  Speaker 3: I love a book. I would love to write a book.
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  Speaker 3: I love books. I hope she reads more books. Kate.
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  Speaker 3: We'll help her out.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for coming.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 4: You can follow Kate Casey and her show is reality
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: life with Kate Casey. She puts so many episodes out
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 4: a week.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 2: How many do you do? Like six, six, six episodes
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 2: a week.
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: I tell you what to watch Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: interview directors, executive producers, people that are featured in reality
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: shows or documentaries. And then every Saturday I feature somebody
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 3: who has like a crazy life story.
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 3: Saturday, this Saturday is somebody who escaped a cult.
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  Speaker 2: I love it.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 3: Those are always good.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: I love an escaping a cult story. I definitely feel
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: like cults are struggling as an industry.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: No, they're not.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks to documentaries. Yes, they are. They definitely are, I think.
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  Speaker 3: Social media, that's the new wave. Have you seen the
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: new woman who lives in L.A. and she goes to
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: sign books and people walk up and they shake and
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: they fall over? She says she can heal people. She's
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 3: the new John of God.
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  Speaker 2: But is a proper cult one where you have to
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 2: live there?
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  Speaker 3: No, not necessarily.
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  Speaker 4: I think there's cult-like light where maybe you just spend
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: a lot of time at that place and you give
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 4: a lot of money. And even like a Scientology, people
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 4: would say it's a cult or not, but they don't
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: all live there. Some people have their own homes and everything. So, yeah,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: I think there's different levels of it.
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  Speaker 3: Lots of spending money on courses, changing your belief system
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: to accommodate somebody that you believe is a guru. God, guru,
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 3: that's like, that's a lot of time. You know, that's
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 3: a lot of work.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of effort, yeah.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 3: Who wants to do that?
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: I think docs have really hurt cults and churches.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: White clothes.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: That's like a lot of work to have like a
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: monochromatic look every day to stick with one color. You know,
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: it's a lot of work.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 2: It's a lot of work.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: It's a lot of bleed. Oh, by the way, people
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 3: can go to katecasey.substack.com and every week they'll get a weekly.
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 3: This is what you should watch this week list. So
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: it'll save you time.
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  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 4: And like the hot thing and you have great taste.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 4: And everything for me, you guys, it's at heathermcdonald.net. I
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 4: will be at Desert Ridge Improv in Phoenix this weekend,
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: October 9th and 10th.
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  Speaker 2: Two shows a night.
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  Speaker 4: Friday is 7 and 9. I think seven to nine
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  Speaker 4: or nine 30. And then Saturday it's early at six
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  Speaker 4: and eight 30. So come to the show, laugh, meet me,
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  Speaker 4: meet and greets are available.
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  Speaker 3: Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: One reward.
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 3: Endless choice. Skip the hassle.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 2: Reward the easy way.