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FSU Admin DOES NOT CARE! FSU Football in BIG Trouble · FSU Football: Doak Talk

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  Speaker 1: I'm going to pass that now. So I've been– so
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  Speaker 1: this is my mindset. I feel like it's either going
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  Speaker 1: to go good or it's going to go good. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like we're in the go-good portion as far as
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  Speaker 1: just letting it play out. Then we get to a
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  Speaker 1: situation to where, hey, you're hiring a new head coach.
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  Speaker 1: So I feel like we either go good and win nine,
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  Speaker 1: ten games, good season, or we start losing games and
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  Speaker 1: we fire Mike Novella. And that's the good part about
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  Speaker 1: it as well too because we're going to– better days
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  Speaker 1: will be coming pretty soon.
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  Speaker 2: My only fear is– What if they luck into, like,
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  Speaker 2: no good wins?
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  Speaker 3: And that's the thing Harley was just talking about. We
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  Speaker 3: don't want that to happen. We don't want to give
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  Speaker 3: them the opportunity.
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  Speaker 2: Like, that's where I'm just like, okay. So the scenario is, like,
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  Speaker 2: you think about, like, okay. I don't know if you
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  Speaker 2: saw that Thamel report that came out today. But that's
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  Speaker 2: what got me frustrated on my postgame was if you,
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  Speaker 2: say you beat B.C., We all think we could win
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  Speaker 2: that game. NC State, not real great. Pittsburgh doesn't have
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  Speaker 2: a quarterback. So there's three wins right there. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: there's six wins. What if Clemson, like, I don't think
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  Speaker 2: they're going to. So the other three games are Clemson, Florida, Miami.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we're winning any of those. But what
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  Speaker 2: if you did? Like, what if you beat Clemson?
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  Speaker 3: You got 75.
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  Speaker 2: And they're bringing it back. Like, I mean, I just.
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  Speaker 2: And that's where I think it puts Florida State fans
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  Speaker 2: in a tough spot.
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  Speaker 3: So to your.
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  Speaker 1: Point, if I'm a decision maker, because I'm looking at
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  Speaker 1: the optics, right? So I'm looking at the same shit
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  Speaker 1: you just said. Yeah, we won these seven wins, but
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  Speaker 1: a Stanford, I'm sorry, a Pittsburgh team down the quarterback,
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  Speaker 1: a Clemson team that's clearly not Clemson, right? This isn't
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  Speaker 1: the same Clemson we've been seeing. So we're looking at
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  Speaker 1: a seven. Yeah, I get a seven, five, seven to five,
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  Speaker 1: eight and four to the same third, but we really pulled.
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  Speaker 3: Back the layers.
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  Speaker 2: It's a fake seven to five, but I think for
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  Speaker 2: the people that are.
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  Speaker 1: But that's a good point, though, because they don't want
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  Speaker 1: to pry in the first place, right?
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: So the people that aren't psychos like me and you,
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  Speaker 2: that follow every single step of the road, I think
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  Speaker 2: they're okay with it. I think they... You know, the
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  Speaker 2: average fan that goes to games, like, this is their
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  Speaker 2: Saturdays in the fall, and then they move on with
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  Speaker 2: life at other times, where me and you don't do that. Like,
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  Speaker 2: we are obsessed with every aspect of this, and that's
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  Speaker 2: why it's so frustrating to us, but the average fan
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  Speaker 2: that just goes to seven, eight games would look at
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  Speaker 2: it and say, ah, you know, we got better. We
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  Speaker 2: got a little bit better over the year. I don't know, man.
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  Speaker 2: I just hope that more people are like psychos like
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  Speaker 2: me and you and expect better.
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  Speaker 3: And we need more voices to get more loud, right?
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  Speaker 1: And I think after this week, if things go how
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  Speaker 1: we think it'll go, those voices will definitely be in
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  Speaker 1: play and they'll be a lot more loud. But to
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  Speaker 1: your point, like the average fan, like the people, we
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  Speaker 1: know it's bigger than just It's deeper than the fall, right?
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  Speaker 1: Because everything that leads up to the fall is pretty
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  Speaker 1: much so important as far as the foundation of the
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  Speaker 1: program years after. And we know the recruiting is terrible.
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  Speaker 1: If you go win six games, win seven games, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to get even.
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  Speaker 3: Worse, right? Because you have nothing. What are you selling?
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  Speaker 3: What are you selling at that point to these recruits?
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  Speaker 1: Hey, I went from two to five to six and
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  Speaker 1: seven wins. You're not selling that at all. Then you
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  Speaker 1: got Miami on the flip end who can sell, okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is what's going on. You have Florida on the
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  Speaker 1: flip end who, if they continue, I think they'll be fine.
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  Speaker 1: They went eight games or so first year, which is
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  Speaker 1: damn good, in my opinion, for their head coach. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: this is what we're building at Florida. We have that
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  Speaker 1: new energy, this new juice. We're going into, it'll be what,
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  Speaker 1: year eight for Norville?
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  Speaker 2: Talking about six and seven wins like that might be enough.
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  Speaker 2: That's crazy, CJ.
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  Speaker 3: Come on.
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  Speaker 2: Listen, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but Bowden might
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  Speaker 2: not have been the only thing they buried a few
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  Speaker 2: years ago, bro. I think they buried the standard. I
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  Speaker 2: think they buried the standard with Coach. I truly believe
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  Speaker 2: they just don't care. And I'm not trying to say
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  Speaker 2: nobody there cares. That's not my point. But you look
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  Speaker 2: at the president. The president's not an alum. He went
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  Speaker 2: to Harvard, man. He's there as a business guy to
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  Speaker 2: acquire a hospital. And he's done a great job with
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  Speaker 2: all that. But you've got a lot of people. Michael Alford.
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  Speaker 2: He was great to us. He came on the show.
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  Speaker 2: He was nice. Whatever. I ain't got nothing wrong with
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  Speaker 2: him as a person. He didn't go to FSU. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think he cared. It was another job. He interviewed
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  Speaker 2: for other jobs. I think a lot of the people
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  Speaker 2: running this thing don't really care. And it sucks because
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  Speaker 2: we want them to care like we do, but they're
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  Speaker 2: just not. Again, I'm not saying that everybody in that
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  Speaker 2: building does not care. I know there's a lot. I
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  Speaker 2: know Ernie cares. I know Fuller cares. I know there's
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  Speaker 2: people there that care. But I think a large portion
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  Speaker 2: of them, they don't care like we do because they
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  Speaker 2: don't understand how special Tallahassee is, how special Florida State is,
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  Speaker 2: what Coach Bowden built, what Jimbo carried on. And it's
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  Speaker 2: just another, I mean, for a lot of these people,
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  Speaker 2: it's just another job. And I don't know how that changes.
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  Speaker 2: I know that college football is such a business now,
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  Speaker 2: and I get that. But, man, if you get the
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  Speaker 2: right people in place that actually care, like Miami's AD,
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  Speaker 2: when they hired, like, Mario cares because he went there,
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  Speaker 2: but Miami's AD, when they had that guy from Clemson,
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  Speaker 2: he wasn't a Miami alum. Their president, they got rid
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  Speaker 2: of Donna. They got alignment. They got people that cared.
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  Speaker 2: They got people that were tired of getting embarrassed. And
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  Speaker 2: I just wonder how many times we have to get
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  Speaker 2: embarrassed before the people that actually make the decisions will say,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, I care enough to stop being embarrassed.
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  Speaker 2: Because it took Kirk calling them out on game day
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  Speaker 2: for them to finally change things. And I'm wondering where
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  Speaker 2: that line is drawn. I'm wondering if a 44-6 run
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  Speaker 2: on a Friday night when the whole nation is watching
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  Speaker 2: by Louisville is enough. Or if Miami needs to beat
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  Speaker 2: us by 60. Is that what it takes? Or a
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  Speaker 2: Clemson team that you just said that is not Clemson.
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  Speaker 2: If that could be enough. Or if it's the end
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  Speaker 2: of the year. I was talking about this on my show.
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  Speaker 2: Florida had three wins when they played us last year.
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  Speaker 2: And they beat the dog shit out of us. That
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  Speaker 2: was not like. 96 Florida. That was a three-win Florida
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  Speaker 2: team that just got blown out by Tennessee the week before.
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  Speaker 2: So I just wonder, man, will it ever.
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  Speaker 3: Get embarrassing enough? That's the thing, bro. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, you put out the statement after Stanford
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  Speaker 1: and say, as season's in, we're going to evaluate. And
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  Speaker 1: then you put out the statement, we're going to stick
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  Speaker 1: by Norvell before the season is actually over.
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  Speaker 2: They're covering their butt. They were covering their butt, man.
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  Speaker 1: And then you get boat race by Florida. But to
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  Speaker 1: your point, we have business people in place, right? So
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  Speaker 1: once the business started hurting, and I think if they
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  Speaker 1: announce that they're going to bring Norvell back this year, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my gosh. The ticket sales, booster, all of that type
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  Speaker 1: of shit is going to plummet.
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  Speaker 3: It's going to plummet.
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  Speaker 2: I feel bad for the people that got to make
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  Speaker 2: season ticket calls. Those people got the worst job in America.
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  Speaker 2: Worst job in America.
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  Speaker 3: Trying to sell season tickets for Florida State.
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  Speaker 2: It should be the easiest job.
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  Speaker 3: It should be, right?
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  Speaker 2: It should be the easiest job. Like, hey, boss, I
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  Speaker 2: just got another sale. Oh, I mean, you're selling tickets
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  Speaker 2: to FSU. It shouldn't be that hard.
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  Speaker 3: Now you're just getting cold calls again.
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  Speaker 2: You know, like the telemarketers call you and you're like,
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  Speaker 2: Don't ever call me again.
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  Speaker 1: You can't cuss out by saying I want some season
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  Speaker 1: tickets to Florida.
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  Speaker 3: State, man. You want to renew. People are cussing you out.
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  Speaker 1: That's why renewing. So I think it's going to get
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  Speaker 1: to that point. And that's really why Willie Taggart was fired.
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  Speaker 1: They saw the projections as far as what was happening
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  Speaker 1: from the money standpoint and how things were going to
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  Speaker 1: project from the ticket sales.
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  Speaker 3: And it just, it was the losing. We were in
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  Speaker 3: the red.
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  Speaker 1: And I think it's going to happen with Florida State
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  Speaker 1: pretty quickly with this Martin Ravell situation. That's what you
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  Speaker 1: got to make a move for and just understand like, okay, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: we owe him $ 40, 000, $ 45, 000, whatever the money is, but
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  Speaker 1: the bite isn't that big as far as the totality
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  Speaker 1: of the program, how much money you're going to be
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  Speaker 1: actually losing. You bring in a new guy and say
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  Speaker 1: you win. You win nine, ten games. Hell, if you
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  Speaker 1: win ten games in the ACC, you got a chance
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  Speaker 1: to make it to the playoffs, right? Within this new era,
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  Speaker 1: if you win ten games and do it right. And
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  Speaker 1: you can get your money back pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 3: From just winning.
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  Speaker 2: Miami made– I mean, we fought for this. I did
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  Speaker 2: a whole video on this. We fought for people to
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  Speaker 2: make more money if they were more valuable on the
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  Speaker 2: field and on TV. Miami made $ 40 million last year
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  Speaker 2: just from going to the national championship. And they have
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  Speaker 2: split none of that with the ACC. Indiana made that
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  Speaker 2: same $ 40 million, but had to split it 18 ways.
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  Speaker 2: Miami basically made Mike's buyout in one year.
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  Speaker 3: One year.
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  Speaker 2: Going to the national championship. If you got a coach
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  Speaker 2: that was serious, and you don't owe Mike that money
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  Speaker 2: up front. You owe him it yearly as it pays
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  Speaker 2: out 85% by year. If you got a coach that
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  Speaker 2: was serious about football, I think Summerall is going to
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  Speaker 2: be good. You know, like, I mean, you know, we'll see.
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  Speaker 2: Proof will be in the pudding. But if you got
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  Speaker 2: a coach that you thought was going to be good,
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  Speaker 2: now you might hire another Taggart or Norvell. You never know. Like,
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  Speaker 2: Florida hired four bad coaches.
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  Speaker 3: In a row.
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  Speaker 2: You might hire another bad one. But you got to
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  Speaker 2: move on because it's not just the money you lose
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  Speaker 2: from season ticket sales and donors and all that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: It's the opportunity cost you're losing, too. Like I said,
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  Speaker 2: Miami hired the right guy. It sucks for us. But
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  Speaker 2: Mario clearly is the right guy that can bring in talent,
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  Speaker 2: hire good coordinators, and win a lot of games in
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  Speaker 2: this conference. If you do that, miami just made miami
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  Speaker 2: just made the whole freaking buyout in one off season
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  Speaker 2: bro that is and it's the most infuriating thing right.
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  Speaker 1: That's what i'm saying so if you get the right
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  Speaker 1: guy and don't be the right guy in it can
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  Speaker 1: be a pretty damn quick turnaround especially in this conference
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  Speaker 1: because you're going to be here for for the next
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  Speaker 1: few years right within this conference it can be a
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  Speaker 1: quick turnaround you get that money in and you like
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  Speaker 1: you said you don't have to pay all this money
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  Speaker 1: up front yeah in the in the beginning so You
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  Speaker 1: could be on the green if you just make the
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  Speaker 1: decision and if you had the right guy. Now, of course,
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  Speaker 1: it's a crapshoot where he's right, got the wrong guy.
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  Speaker 1: But we know clearly we have the wrong guy. So
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  Speaker 1: that's already a known commodity as far as Norvell isn't
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  Speaker 1: the guy.