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Big Jim and the White Boy Interview (ft David F. Walker and Marcus Kwame Anderson) · For All Nerds Show

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  Speaker 1: Hey, you're watching for All Nerds and on this episode
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  Speaker 1: we interview the creators of the best graphic novel.
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  Speaker 2: Ever Been Jim and the White Boy.
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  Speaker 3: And what's up, y'all, And welcome back to this episode
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  Speaker 3: of the four All Nerds Show. And we have something
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  Speaker 3: very special tonight, some very special guests in the house tonight.
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  Speaker 4: We have David F.
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  Speaker 3: Walker, the Eisner Award winning creator the hit series Bitter Root.
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  Speaker 3: He's also the co creator of the character Naomi from
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  Speaker 3: DC Comic Books, alongside our other guests, Marcus Kame Anderson,
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  Speaker 3: also you know, Eisner Award winning they have co created
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  Speaker 3: two award winning graphic novels, The Black Panther, Party of
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  Speaker 3: Graphic novel History and one of my favorite books of
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  Speaker 3: last year, Big Jim and the White Boy.
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  Speaker 4: Boy.
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  Speaker 3: Welcome to the spaceship. Thank you for joining us tonight. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: thank you for having us.
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  Speaker 4: To be here.
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  Speaker 3: Oh wow, wow, wow, that's an honor to have you here.
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  Speaker 3: So jumping right in, you know, and since this is
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  Speaker 3: Black History Month, you know, shortest month of the year,
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  Speaker 3: shout out to my birthday coming up soon. What was
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  Speaker 3: you know, the origin story for creating Big Jim and
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  Speaker 3: the White Boy did you just you know, want to
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  Speaker 3: make some racist people mad or you know what started
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  Speaker 3: his journey offs? I mean, I know that's usually you
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  Speaker 3: know the reason.
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  Speaker 4: Now.
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  Speaker 5: I actually had an idea for retelling The Adventures of
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  Speaker 5: Huckleberry Finn years and years ago. And at the time,
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  Speaker 5: I was going to write it as a novel, and
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  Speaker 5: I'd started it and just started and stopped and started
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  Speaker 5: and stop, never really went anywhere. And Marcus and I
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  Speaker 5: were working on The Black Panther Party for ten Speed Press,
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  Speaker 5: and and this conversation come up between myself and some
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  Speaker 5: of the folks at ten Speed and they were like,
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  Speaker 5: you know, we're we're interested in doing retellings of classic literatures,
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  Speaker 5: graphic novels, but with a different slant, right, you know,
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  Speaker 5: reimagining them, you know, and we're thinking about maybe Adventures
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  Speaker 5: of Huckleberry Finn.
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  Speaker 6: You think this might be something you'd like to do.
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, well, I happen to have this
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  Speaker 5: thing right here, right and it starts, And that's where
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  Speaker 5: it started. So we were Marcus and I were still
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  Speaker 5: working on Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. So this must have
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  Speaker 5: been about twenty eighteen or twenty nineteen when that clock
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  Speaker 5: started on Big Jim and then that, you know, once
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  Speaker 5: we ironed out a deal for me to write the book,
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  Speaker 5: that I was like, well, who's going to draw it?
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, well, yeah, I'm kind of in
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  Speaker 5: love with this dude right here if he'll have me.
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  Speaker 5: And it just sort of and then it really came
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  Speaker 5: together because once once Marcus was on board as the artist,
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  Speaker 5: I knew, I knew who I was working with, I
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  Speaker 5: knew what I could what you know, I knew that
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  Speaker 5: the sky was really the limit in terms of what
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  Speaker 5: he was going to be able to draw.
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  Speaker 1: And you said twenty eighteen, that's where the category it
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  Speaker 1: all started, kind of the thought process.
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  Speaker 5: It might it was probably a little later than that,
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  Speaker 5: but I know that. Let's see, Uh, when did a
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  Speaker 5: Black Panther Party came out? In twenty twenty one?
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  Speaker 4: Twenty one? Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: I want I want to say twenty twenty, because it
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  Speaker 7: was like, well, no, I think you were having the
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  Speaker 7: conversation with the publisher, but like you know, by the
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  Speaker 7: time you guys brought it to me, it might have
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  Speaker 7: been around twenty twenty.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, because he was Marcus was still drawing the Black
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  Speaker 5: Panther Party and so the big.
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  Speaker 6: One of the questions was like, you know, they were like, well,
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  Speaker 6: well he is he would he.
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  Speaker 5: Want to jump into something so big right away. But
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  Speaker 5: then there was also this conversation of like, well is
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  Speaker 5: he right for the project?
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  Speaker 6: You know?
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  Speaker 5: And I was like, well, you already got him working
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  Speaker 5: on something, and and you see the versatility of his style,
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  Speaker 5: the visual execution that he can do.
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  Speaker 6: And I you know, you never know what your editor,
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  Speaker 6: your publisher wants.
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  Speaker 5: A lot of times they and they don't know a
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  Speaker 5: lot of the time, so you have to you know,
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  Speaker 5: almost like.
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  Speaker 6: You know, Jedi mind tricks or something.
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  Speaker 4: You know, you got to you got.
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  Speaker 5: To talk him into it, and a lot of times
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  Speaker 5: you got to make them think it's their idea. But
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  Speaker 5: you know, I was just like, Marcus has got the style.
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  Speaker 5: You've seen it. And then and then in Marcus you
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  Speaker 5: could speak to this you were there were some it
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  Speaker 5: seemed like there's some hesitancy on your part because you
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  Speaker 5: you were still focused on what you were doing.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, no, that that That's exactly what it was, because
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  Speaker 7: it's like, you know, publishers, it's almost like when you're
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  Speaker 7: in school, right, like every every teacher thinks their assignments
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  Speaker 7: are like the only ones you got to work on,
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  Speaker 7: you know what I mean. And like, so the so
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  Speaker 7: I was working on Black Panther Party and I was
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  Speaker 7: the scrinding to finish it, and uh, you they were like,
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  Speaker 7: all right, can we can you get us like some
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  Speaker 7: some samples for Jim and show us what it could
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  Speaker 7: look like. And you know, they also had like these
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  Speaker 7: various chews of other artists that just do something totally
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  Speaker 7: different than me, and so it was kind of a
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  Speaker 7: you know, I was we were in the tail end
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  Speaker 7: of Black Panther Party, but I was being asked to
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  Speaker 7: kind of like switch gears, you know what I mean,
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  Speaker 7: and uh, do something different, and so it was a
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  Speaker 7: little bumpy. So I basically was like, can I put
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  Speaker 7: this aside, finish Black Panther Party and then uh, you know,
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  Speaker 7: come back and look at it with fresh eyes, and
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  Speaker 7: like that was it. Like, you know, after Black Panther
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  Speaker 7: Party was done, I got to breathe, and then I
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  Speaker 7: just thought of it like a totally different style because definitely,
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  Speaker 7: when I approached a new project, I really like to
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  Speaker 7: just look at it and be like, what style does
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  Speaker 7: it need? Because you know, David mentioned versatility before and
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  Speaker 7: I really, I don't necessarily draw every book the same way,
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  Speaker 7: you know, and so I got to really like sit
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  Speaker 7: with it and not be so immersed in the style
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  Speaker 7: of Black Panther Party, and you know, so it just
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  Speaker 7: allowed me to get a fresh take. And they, I think,
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  Speaker 7: if you if my memory is certainly correct, David, they
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  Speaker 7: liked it pretty much out of the gate once we
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  Speaker 7: came back to it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, you know what, I'm glad you mentioned that and
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  Speaker 1: the versatility, because I was going to ask you what
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  Speaker 1: the time frame, how much of the original idea ended
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  Speaker 1: up in what we have now, what we've been in
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  Speaker 1: my been, I mean, and I just read like, what
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  Speaker 1: is the difference or is there no difference? Is exactly
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  Speaker 1: how you And.
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  Speaker 6: There's so many difference.
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  Speaker 5: To the outline as I pitched, or the original pitch
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  Speaker 5: when I was writing as a prose novel.
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  Speaker 4: It was real.
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  Speaker 6: It was, it was it was. It was even angrier
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  Speaker 6: than it is now, right, and and you know, it
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  Speaker 6: turned it down.
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  Speaker 5: And the title at the time was I was just
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  Speaker 5: gonna call it, you know, the legend of Nigger Jim, right,
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  Speaker 5: and and so that was where I was going with.
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  Speaker 4: It, right.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, No, the publisher's gonna like that, yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And and well, this is before I had a publisher.
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  Speaker 5: This was like, this is I want to write. And
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  Speaker 5: it was always this old man telling his story. So
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  Speaker 5: a lot of the lot of the elements were there,
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  Speaker 5: this idea that Mark Twain had stolen this man's life story,
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  Speaker 5: all that.
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  Speaker 6: Sort of stuff.
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  Speaker 5: But the I think one of the biggest changes was
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  Speaker 5: the relationship between Jim and Huck as I as I
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  Speaker 5: originally had seen it, and then and then what it
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  Speaker 5: evolved to as we were writing it, and or as
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  Speaker 5: I was writing it, and then as Marcus was drawing
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  Speaker 5: it and realizing that, oh, I'm You know, a lot
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  Speaker 5: of times as a writer, you come up with an idea,
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  Speaker 5: you start to build on that idea, and then you
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  Speaker 5: realize that the choices you're making are the most obvious ones.
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  Speaker 5: And it's like, you don't want to be obvious about
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  Speaker 5: your choices. You want to try to challenge yourself as
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  Speaker 5: a creative, and you want challenge the readers.
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  Speaker 6: And that's what I really started to do.
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  Speaker 1: Marcus, same approach, though obviously you're on the illustrative side.
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  Speaker 1: Same approach. How much did it change for you when
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  Speaker 1: you went into it. I mean, obviously you said you
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  Speaker 1: were versatile, wanted to do different styles, but even in
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  Speaker 1: trying to encompass and embody David's work, I mean again
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  Speaker 1: he said he started being really angry about it, but
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  Speaker 1: then you know he kind of scaled back a bit.
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  Speaker 1: But how did that work for you?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah?
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  Speaker 7: Well, I mean before before I get there, Like I'll say,
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  Speaker 7: like when David first brought the idea to me, I
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  Speaker 7: was like, all right, bet, because like I didn't have
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  Speaker 7: any real attachment to you know, Huckleberry Finn and the
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  Speaker 7: idea of telling from Jim's perspective, it excited me immediately,
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  Speaker 7: you know. And so with that, it's like I would say, like, honestly,
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  Speaker 7: David and my motivations were pretty pretty similar. You know,
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  Speaker 7: we were very much aligned in what we wanted to do,
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  Speaker 7: and you know, we would have like a lot of conversations,
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  Speaker 7: and there was like a little bit of overlap with
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  Speaker 7: him writing like later parts of the story while I
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  Speaker 7: was starting, you know, And what that allowed is like
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  Speaker 7: I just feel like it's like both of you know,
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  Speaker 7: our our work like kind of fed into each other
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  Speaker 7: even more so, you know, because there would be times
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  Speaker 7: where maybe something that I had drawn, like you know,
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  Speaker 7: helped helped an idea that he was doing in the
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  Speaker 7: other way around, and so like it was very fluid,
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  Speaker 7: but in general, like as far as how it evolved,
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  Speaker 7: I'd say, like stylistically, what I came up with, like
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  Speaker 7: when we were pitching to the publisher, like that looked
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  Speaker 7: the same, almost the same as what the book ended
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  Speaker 7: up being. But one of the things that I'm sure
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  Speaker 7: David will you know, speak more to this later, is
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  Speaker 7: we decided, because we're dealing with so many different timelines
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  Speaker 7: and aspects of the story, we really wanted each of
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  Speaker 7: those different timelines to like look visually different, you know
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  Speaker 7: what I mean. So I actually had to So I
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  Speaker 7: would say, the main story looks like what I pitched
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  Speaker 7: for the most part, but then I had to like
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  Speaker 7: think of all these other aspects of the story and
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  Speaker 7: how to like represent them, you know, to look different.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's something that I really loved about it. One,
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  Speaker 3: Like you said, the main story, look, it has this
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  Speaker 3: look where it looks kind of like something you would
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  Speaker 3: see in the Sunday papers, you know, like when you
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  Speaker 3: get your comic strip in the Sunday papers. But then
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  Speaker 3: it has this brutality to it, you know, in times
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  Speaker 3: when the violence pits in where it's like, yo, this
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  Speaker 3: is nothing that you'd ever see in the Sunday papers obviously,
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  Speaker 3: and then the language, et cetera takes into that other level.
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  Speaker 3: And then, like today, I was rereading it and it
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  Speaker 3: just hit me again the opening. How the opening starts
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  Speaker 3: off in black and white and it's like this misrepresentation
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  Speaker 3: of everything, and then when Gym starts telling the color,
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  Speaker 3: it bursts into full color and you see everything as
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  Speaker 3: it is, and that was just like it's epic, you know, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so well done.
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  Speaker 1: I love the as you mentioned, like the literal and
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  Speaker 1: figurative expression of giving color to his story. Like I
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  Speaker 1: like how that was expressed on the page. And also
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  Speaker 1: what Benaman mentioned that was actually one of my favorite panels,
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  Speaker 1: like the violence, the brutality, if you will, the necessary violence,
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  Speaker 1: the blam like that that did it for me. I said, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: this is what I'm talking about, right, Like, I like that.
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  Speaker 1: It kind of remind me of of works like Django,
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  Speaker 1: where you put it, you're put in that time period
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  Speaker 1: and then you see, you know about the brutality or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but when it's coming from the other side to kind
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  Speaker 1: of enact a sort of justice, if you will. So
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  Speaker 1: I think that is that's something that resonated with me.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I was wondering if you were thinking
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  Speaker 1: about that as particularly as the other black people or
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  Speaker 1: even other people of other sorts were reading this, and
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  Speaker 1: how they thought about that time period, how stories were told.
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  Speaker 7: You know, it's funny that you mentioned that, because I
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  Speaker 7: did think about Dango and it wasn't until So this
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  Speaker 7: is a slight spoiler for the story, right, but at
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  Speaker 7: a certain point where one of the big departures from
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  Speaker 7: the original novel, which our whole book is a departure,
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  Speaker 7: but one of the biggest departures is Jim and Hook
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  Speaker 7: specifically get involved with the Underground Railroad. And you know,
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  Speaker 7: so as we were like really dealing with some of
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  Speaker 7: those scenes and you a just see Jim interacting with
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  Speaker 7: like other enslaved people and really just being about you know, liberation,
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  Speaker 7: you know, and all that exactly. Yeah, Like as we're
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  Speaker 7: getting in it own business exactly. Yeah, And as we
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  Speaker 7: got into that, I was like, all right, you know, honestly,
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  Speaker 7: this is what I had wished that Jangle was. You know,
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  Speaker 7: I remember, like I don't know, early on when Jangle
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  Speaker 7: was in production, but we hadn't seen any images of it.
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  Speaker 7: When I heard this the pitch of what it was,
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  Speaker 7: I was like, oh, all right, bet like I and
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  Speaker 7: of course that's probably my bias, right, I'm thinking about
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  Speaker 7: what I wanted to see, So I'm thinking, like, it's
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  Speaker 7: like this this liberation story and like Jangles like you know,
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  Speaker 7: getting us all free. But in reality, you know, the
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  Speaker 7: movie it has some stuff that I liked and stuff.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, we can know, we can on this show, bro,
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  Speaker 3: we know what it is. We are Look, I love
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  Speaker 3: it's one of my favorite directors of all time. But
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  Speaker 3: he's also white as all. You know, white is the snow.
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  Speaker 7: And except for when he's got to do an interview
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  Speaker 7: with a black black host.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah wow.
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  Speaker 3: Well I mean except when he's appropriating, right, No.
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  Speaker 7: But but what it is is like you know, and
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  Speaker 7: I and and it made me think about it as
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  Speaker 7: I'm drawing these panels, I'm like, what, well, what is
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  Speaker 7: it that's you know, different? And it's the fact that
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  Speaker 7: a we just see it's not that Jangle didn't interact
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  Speaker 7: with other black people, but that wasn't necessarily the focus,
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  Speaker 7: you know. And while you know, Obviously, I loved the
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  Speaker 7: part of it where he you know, he loved his
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  Speaker 7: wife and he wanted to get her back. There's a
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  Speaker 7: certain aspect where, you know, like everybody else, all the
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  Speaker 7: other black people, you know, there wasn't any liberation there,
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  Speaker 7: and it's not like our One of the things with
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  Speaker 7: our stories, we very much did not want it to
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  Speaker 7: be realistic and have Jim just like be just totally
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  Speaker 7: unstoppable in this world of slavery, because the reality is
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  Speaker 7: it's it's just was wild, dangerous and and you know,
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  Speaker 7: you couldn't just he couldn't just do what he whatever
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  Speaker 7: he wanted to at any given time. But you know,
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  Speaker 7: I definitely did did just I don't know, like to
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  Speaker 7: answer your question, I just realized, like no, Jangle was
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  Speaker 7: not an inspiration, but I realized as we were drawing
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  Speaker 7: that this was what I wish.
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  Speaker 4: Jangle was basically.
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  Speaker 5: Like that, and that's kind of how it was for
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  Speaker 5: me too, you know. I mean, there's parts of Jangle
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  Speaker 5: I liked a lot, but ultimately, you know, the end
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  Speaker 5: of the day, the movie was was a white filmmaker
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  Speaker 5: apologizing for slavery in his own way, and the white
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  Speaker 5: guy is is has like you know, when when christ
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  Speaker 5: Orvis's character kills Leonardo DiCaprio's character, like it wasn't earned,
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  Speaker 5: you really, like I felt as a storyteller it wasn't earned.
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  Speaker 5: And and we had a couple of moments in our
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  Speaker 5: book where I really had to wrestle with, Okay, who's
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  Speaker 5: going to kill this character?
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  Speaker 4: Here?
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  Speaker 5: Will it be Jim or will be Huck? And and
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  Speaker 5: really sat down and thought about like like if if
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  Speaker 5: taking the life of another person exacts a toll on
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  Speaker 5: your soul. If if Jim kills this person, what does
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  Speaker 5: that do.
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  Speaker 6: To his soul? It Huck kills this character, what does
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  Speaker 6: that do to his soul?
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  Speaker 5: And really looking at what that that those acts of
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  Speaker 5: violence would meeting to them moving forward as they became
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  Speaker 5: old men.
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  Speaker 6: And you see that ass when.
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  Speaker 5: They were old men, you know, absolutely, And now was
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  Speaker 5: the thing like there wasn't gonna be no moon walking horse, you.
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  Speaker 6: Know, at the end of our book.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, but I looked at Django unchained, and
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  Speaker 5: I looked at like, you know, some of like the
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  Speaker 5: blaxploitation westerns that had come out, you know, I watched
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  Speaker 5: even though they there wasn't a lot in common I mean,
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  Speaker 5: I loved the movie Buck and the Preacher, so I
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  Speaker 5: watched that quite a few times, and then I watched, uh,
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  Speaker 5: I watched the spaghetti westerns, because spaghetti westerns like have
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  Speaker 5: it's like they have no clue what really happened in America.
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  Speaker 5: So you're really looking at the sort of myth of
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  Speaker 5: the American West through the eyes of these European filmmakers.
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  Speaker 5: I was drawing from a deep pool of of of
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  Speaker 5: you know, I guess you know, influences. But I think
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  Speaker 5: more than anything was that What I wanted to do
• 17:01
  Speaker 5: is I wanted to personally and with the help of Marcus,
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: with that collaboration, was to sort of undo the sort
• 17:10
  Speaker 5: of there are no black.
• 17:14
  Speaker 6: Folk heroes like of the Old West, you know, like
• 17:20
  Speaker 6: the Western era, and and because of slavery, it's almost
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: impossible to tell a story in which, uh, a black
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: Western which a character isn't connected to slavery in some capacity.
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: That's Buck and the Preacher, That's that's every single Western
• 17:34
  Speaker 6: with black characters, right. But I so I didn't want
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: to do what those things had done. But I wanted
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: to do something different, and I wanted Jim to at
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: some point.
• 17:43
  Speaker 5: Come across like the way all these Confederate you know,
• 17:49
  Speaker 5: folk heroes are are revered, and they were all scum, right,
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: they were all traitors to their nation, and and and
• 17:58
  Speaker 5: and and and you know, and now we're dealing with
• 18:01
  Speaker 5: their descendants, right. This this book was for them and
• 18:04
  Speaker 5: their descendants and for me to tell them what I
• 18:07
  Speaker 5: really think of them, right. And Jim became my sort
• 18:13
  Speaker 5: of my fantasy figure, right, like some of us have
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: fantasy football leagues or whatever. Yeah, my fantasy revenge killer
• 18:21
  Speaker 5: that was Jim.
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: You know, my legend. Which one is it?
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: I still get confused between myth and legend. Although I
• 18:32
  Speaker 5: do know the difference now, I still get confused.
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: From time to time.
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: What is the difference?
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Then?
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: A legend is something that is that comes from reality,
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: can be based in reality, whereas myth is like.
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: Just made a shi just all completely made up, you know.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: So that's so so really like the history of the
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: United States that most of us are taught in school
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: is a myth.
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: That's hilarious too, And especially what you were talking about.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: I did a podcast yesterday where we're talking about what's
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: the biggest crash out by like a nation, you know,
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: like as far as like a wartime crash out, you know,
• 19:12
  Speaker 3: and we had to bring up.
• 19:13
  Speaker 4: The Civil War.
• 19:16
  Speaker 3: A country just wilds out, you know, the South, you know,
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: the South is like, you know, we want slaves that
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: bad that we were willing to wild out, you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: and start killing the rest of the same country. And
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: that's a big crash out. So yeah, they were a tradeous,
• 19:29
  Speaker 3: traitorous scum as you called them. So, you know, thanks
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: for that.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah, David, you said something just a moment ago when
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: you said that. You know, things were taught in school
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: are myths right about American history and particularly slavery, and
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: they always understate, to use a very understated word, they
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: very understate how bad slavery was. And there is a
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: point in this book where the character and it felt
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: very real, real to me, fiction or otherwise, where the
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: character is talking to her grand or the great grand
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: talking to a grand whatever it may be, and explaining, well,
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: that's even though they taught me one thing in school,
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: it was a very different story from what my parents
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: taught me. And that is a well known thing, particularly
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: in Black American culture, where like the stuff, at least
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: until I got to school Howard University, what was up
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: that everything that I was taught at school was complete
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: almost backwards or opposite to what I was corrected and
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: taught when I was home. You know, I learned something,
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: brought it home and say hey, Dad, hey this is
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: what they told us, And they're like, okay, but you
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, how did you did you think
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: about that? Like how when children or even younger folks
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: who may not have that same type of education may
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: read a book like this and go, well, wait a minute,
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: that's not what I read in this, you know, even
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: though it's fiction, still like this is coming from somewhere now.
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: That's that was a huge motivator for me, because I
• 20:55
  Speaker 5: went through that as a kid, right like I was
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: the stories that my grandparents told me about their lives
• 21:02
  Speaker 5: growing up in the South. They were all from southern Virginia,
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: like just just above North Carolina, you know, and and
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: they would tell me stories that didn't line up with
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: what I was learning in school.
• 21:15
  Speaker 6: And so I became really obsessed with history at an
• 21:19
  Speaker 6: early age. And and.
• 21:22
  Speaker 5: Realized that you know, the that you get, you get
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: these brief history lessons all throughout your career from elementary
• 21:30
  Speaker 5: school into high school and it's always the same thing, right,
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: And and I was probably in like third or fourth
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: grade when I was like, okay, so Lincoln freed the slaves,
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: and then Martin Luther King Junior made it possible for
• 21:47
  Speaker 5: us to ride in the front of the bus. What
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: happened in between those two things, because because that's the
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: way history, especially when I was.
• 21:54
  Speaker 6: A kid, that's the way history was taught, right, right, yep.
• 21:58
  Speaker 5: I I remember watching as a kid watching Roots when
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: it was first on TV. And I wasn't even ten
• 22:07
  Speaker 5: years old at the time, but I remember thinking, because
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: it pretty much ends with the emancipation, the end of
• 22:15
  Speaker 5: the war, that sort of stuff, right, But I just
• 22:18
  Speaker 5: remember thinking, then, well what happened next? And I was,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: you know, as a kid, I was always asking these
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: sort of questions, always sort of you know, I was
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: wondering why every Western I saw as a kid growing up,
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: for the most part, and never had black people in it.
• 22:35
  Speaker 6: And I was like, did black people not?
• 22:38
  Speaker 4: Were they?
• 22:39
  Speaker 6: You know? Did they not ride horses? Did they not?
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: You know?
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: And so those questions that I started asking an early
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: age led to an interest that then led to an
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: obsession and a passion. And then I wanted to start
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: exploring it creatively, right, and especially that you know, the
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: history of what happened from you know, the end of
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: the Civil War up till today is like so skewed
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: and so crazy. And you know, you talk about reconstruction
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: and most people don't know what reconstruction is.
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: You're like, what do you mean, what's reconstruction?
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: And it's like that that's called the you know, it's
• 23:20
  Speaker 5: one of the many failures of this nation. Was was
• 23:24
  Speaker 5: the way that reconstruction was was squashed. You talk about
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: the prison industrial complex, or you talk about police, law enforcement.
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: And all of it.
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: Everything was designed to keep us in check. And once
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: you start figuring that out, you can't help but get angry,
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: you know, and then you can't help but have it
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: influence your work in some capacity.
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: You know, you would think.
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: But you know, but at the same time, like you said,
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: that was one of the failures of this nation, but
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: it's also could be said sadly that it's one of
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: the successes of this nation, because, like you said, everything
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: is designed to keep us in check. So there was
• 24:05
  Speaker 3: no you know, reconstruction wasn't gonna go down where it's
• 24:08
  Speaker 3: like they give everybody forty acres and the Mule, because
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: you know, they know that would not keep us in check.
• 24:13
  Speaker 3: So one, I just really do want to thank both
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: of you again for creating this book and for like
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: allowing it, you know, out into the universe, because it's
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: we're living in this time. Yeah, as we see right
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: now where you know, America seems determined to rewrite history
• 24:30
  Speaker 3: for the worst, and like you said, David, like brung up,
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: it's same, and I think it might be worse now.
• 24:37
  Speaker 3: But I know, for most times, for pretty much anyone
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: in America, you know, that was it slavery, Martin, Luther, King,
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: peace out, you know, And I don't know, I don't
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: know what else they did after that. You know, maybe Quanta,
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: you know, that might be you know, then y'all then
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: y'all had Quanta and then you know, and now we're
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: here Cosby show.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: So I was like, how most.
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: People don't know most Peo people don't even know how
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: Kwanza came about, you know, I know that on people,
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: and they get really upset with me because I'd be like, yeah,
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: I don't celebrate Kwansa, you.
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Know, yeah, yeah, Yeah, there's there's a lot of sortied
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: history behind that.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: So I mean they're always in everything.
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well, I mean since you're mentioning it, then
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: how do y'all feel right now with and maybe because
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: y'all have from a certain time, y'all have been seeing this, right,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: how does it feel? It feel like history being rewritten?
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: Doesn't feel like same old, same all? Like, how do
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: you how are you feeling in the current state of things?
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: Well, I'm stressed out all the time, you know, but
• 25:43
  Speaker 5: I've been stressed out my whole life, very you know,
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: that's the thing. So Marcus, I don't know. I mean,
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: we we haven't talked about it too much, but.
• 25:52
  Speaker 6: It's you know, like.
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: I mean, I've been dealing with you know, yeah, I'm
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: I'm high yella, but I've been dealing with racism like forever,
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: you know, like the kindergarten. Kindergarten was the first time
• 26:10
  Speaker 5: another kid called me a nigger to my face, right,
• 26:13
  Speaker 5: and so that was fifty something years ago, right, So
• 26:17
  Speaker 5: it's like this is this is part of it. And
• 26:19
  Speaker 5: so when something really terrible happens, you know, it's like, oh, okay,
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: wait a sec, but wait a minute, you know, and
• 26:28
  Speaker 5: we've seen this before, and even when when the Black
• 26:31
  Speaker 5: Panther Party. When our Black Panther Party book came out.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: The day.
• 26:38
  Speaker 5: The day I wrote the afterward for the book was
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: the day of the day after George Floyd was murdered,
• 26:46
  Speaker 5: and all of the cities, you know, there's all these
• 26:50
  Speaker 5: uprisings in the cities and people are acting like, I
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: can't believe this is happening. And I was the one
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: who you know, I I was took the social media
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: and I was like, yeah, this this is all on
• 27:00
  Speaker 5: the Kerner Commission Report, and they were everyone was like,
• 27:03
  Speaker 5: what's the Cerner Commission Report? And I was like, it
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: was the report that was commissioned by the government that
• 27:08
  Speaker 5: said this is what is going to happen if we
• 27:10
  Speaker 5: don't change race relations. And we didn't change race relations.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: And the Kerner Commission Report, if I remember correctly, was
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: sixty It was either sixty four or sixty seven over
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: which year. And so you know, you look around at
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: the stuff and you just go, yeah, no, this is
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: like it's it's the What's what's surprising to me is like,
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: how much of you know, so I'm part of Generation X,
• 27:37
  Speaker 5: like the angry generation that was raised on punk rock
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: and hip hop and we you know, we hated Ronald Reagan,
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: we hated the bushes, and and it's like, well we
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: failed somewhere, like like we should be running things by
• 27:52
  Speaker 5: now right, and and and it's and it's just interesting
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: because it's like I know a lot of those guys
• 27:57
  Speaker 5: and it doesn't matter.
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: And when I say.
• 27:59
  Speaker 5: Guys, a lot of people white and black who were
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: die hard, you know, whether they were listening to the
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: sex pistols or they were listening.
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: To NWA, Like where did they go? Where did they
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: turn out?
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: And they like they forgot they lost their souls, they
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: sold their souls.
• 28:21
  Speaker 7: Yeah, man, I mean, first of all, like all of us,
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: but I think for me, like one of the things is,
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: so my daughter was was eight when in twenty sixteen,
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: you know, and so she was with us, you know.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: She went to protest.
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: She she knew what was up, but she knew what
• 28:42
  Speaker 7: was up as an an informed eight year old, you
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: know what I mean. Like, so now it is, you know,
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: just eight years of childhood development, which might as well
• 28:51
  Speaker 7: be a lifetime. And so it's like her understanding of things,
• 28:57
  Speaker 7: her questions and everything, you know, was on a a
• 29:00
  Speaker 7: whole different level. And so as a parent, it's just
• 29:05
  Speaker 7: wild and you know, and she deals with anxiety and
• 29:08
  Speaker 7: you know, I guess like all of us, but you know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 7: in her own way. And so it's like a lot
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: of Uh there's that balance of like supporting your child,
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: right and supporting a child, and like I would say,
• 29:19
  Speaker 7: black people in any era, we've had to explain the
• 29:23
  Speaker 7: unreasonable to our children, like what we were all talking about, right,
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: and when you kind of first start seeing the history
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: doesn't add up to what you're taught. But with it's
• 29:36
  Speaker 7: interesting because it's like I got my own stress on
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: a daily and uh, you you can't like necessarily wear
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: that like straight up because you know your kids see that,
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: they take it on.
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: So it's a it's a balance. I still feel it.
• 29:53
  Speaker 7: And you know, to everybody's point, we've dealt we've been
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: dealing with racism, We've been dealing with uh, these structures
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: in this country.
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: But I think the thing that's different is.
• 30:04
  Speaker 7: Is pointed you got people pulling the overlap of of
• 30:12
  Speaker 7: business and like and billionaires being able to like grab
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: this level of control. You know, I mean many of us,
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: I've heard you guys on this show, you know, talking
• 30:22
  Speaker 7: about the parallels with the Parable of the Sewer with
• 30:26
  Speaker 7: Octavia Butler and that was like in twenty sixteen and
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: be there. But it's like even more pointed. It's like
• 30:34
  Speaker 7: if somebody wrote this as a script, like you know,
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: Elon Musk having this level of control, you would say
• 30:41
  Speaker 7: it was kind of on the notes, you know what
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: I mean, And so.
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, how am I doing? You know?
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: It's like I'm yeah, I mean do it.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I'm doing it.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: You know, I get it. I mean, and I raised
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: it just because I am interested in just how y'all
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: are feeling about this and also as mentioned, just like
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you know, on one hand, like I'm like, for me, like, yes,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: I've been I'm in my thirties. I've been dealing with
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: this my whole life too, but like I haven't seen
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: it to the extent that has been happening forever, right
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: or seemingly forever. And then for it to feel this intense,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: is I feel very intense. But I'm like, what do
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: others who have been here feel this? Is this't ritually intense?
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Or is this something that's been going on? And then
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: when I think about your book and how much joy
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: gave me in the last like really, because I finished
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: it a few hours ago. In the last few hours,
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: I've been down bad mentally, and I think it's important
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: that the creative, the creative piece gets to be amplified,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: because that's the creativity. Like a lot of people are
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: scared to say, well, you know, I have something creative,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: I have a new book, I have this, I have that,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: but it's such a negative space. I think people need that,
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: and I just wanted to share that I needed this book.
• 31:56
  Speaker 7: I'm glad you said that because I will say this,
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: despite you know, all of the doom and gloom, I
• 32:01
  Speaker 7: was just saying I one hundred percent believe that like
• 32:03
  Speaker 7: creative people have have a place, and specifically like black,
• 32:09
  Speaker 7: black creative people, but marginalized creative.
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: People in general. It's creative people in general.
• 32:13
  Speaker 7: We have a place in every you know movement in
• 32:18
  Speaker 7: standing up to power. It's one of the reasons why
• 32:20
  Speaker 7: I like books, artwork. If you look back at all
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: the times in history when you know authoritarians wanted to suppress,
• 32:28
  Speaker 7: they they always would suppressed creative people and the and
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: the and the things that we made because it can
• 32:33
  Speaker 7: inspire people. And I will say this, like I know
• 32:38
  Speaker 7: for myself personally, I have just some some personal projects
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: that aside from comics, that are definitely gonna like I'm
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: definitely gonna channel my feelings about what's going on and
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: also like try to inject some level of that same
• 32:56
  Speaker 7: hope you're talking about, because you know, we have survived
• 32:59
  Speaker 7: a lot of stuff. There's days when you know, you
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: look at headlines and everything and I take breaks. But
• 33:05
  Speaker 7: you know there's days when you read the news and
• 33:08
  Speaker 7: it feels like, I don't know, it's just it's like
• 33:13
  Speaker 7: there's there's there's multiple dialogues going on from people right
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: now who are dismayed with what's happening. And you know,
• 33:20
  Speaker 7: some people are like, yo, chill, We've been through this
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: or whatever. It's not gonna be anything. And I don't
• 33:26
  Speaker 7: think that's completely right. I do think there's some wisdom
• 33:28
  Speaker 7: and looking at the survival of us as a people.
• 33:32
  Speaker 7: There's a Baldwin quote, one of my favorite Baldwin quotes,
• 33:36
  Speaker 7: you know. He it closes he basically it's at the
• 33:40
  Speaker 7: end of fire next time and he says, I'm gonna
• 33:43
  Speaker 7: just gonna paraphrase it, but he says, I know what
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: I'm asking you is impossible. But in our time, as
• 33:50
  Speaker 7: in all times, Uh, the impossible is the least we
• 33:54
  Speaker 7: can ask. And then he says something to the effect of,
• 33:57
  Speaker 7: if you look at black people, we are the perpetual
• 34:00
  Speaker 7: achievement of the impossible. And I feel that. I feel
• 34:04
  Speaker 7: that in my soul, you know what I mean. And
• 34:06
  Speaker 7: so it's not quite like everybody chill, there's no problems
• 34:11
  Speaker 7: because we've been through this. But it also is that
• 34:14
  Speaker 7: Baldoon quote is real, you know. So I don't know,
• 34:17
  Speaker 7: I feel like creative people got a part to play.
• 34:20
  Speaker 7: Everybody has a part to play. But I definitely I
• 34:25
  Speaker 7: don't feel like backing down because of all the suppression.
• 34:28
  Speaker 7: If anything, I'm kind of like, you know, fired up,
• 34:31
  Speaker 7: and you know, I know David is as well. Matter
• 34:34
  Speaker 7: of fact, David said to me when or no, you know,
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: it wasn't even I don't even think we were working
• 34:39
  Speaker 7: on big Gym yet. But it was like back when
• 34:41
  Speaker 7: we were doing interviews about the Black Panther Party and
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: you know, people would ask ask us what's next, and
• 34:47
  Speaker 7: Daved was like, oh, we can't say, but you know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: I'm definitely going to be working on something that will
• 34:52
  Speaker 7: get us a banded in Texas, you know. So not
• 34:55
  Speaker 7: what it was we know what it was before we
• 34:57
  Speaker 7: even put pana page, you know.
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And and you know, for me, I mean, I'm I'm Marcus,
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: and I have a lot of similar beliefs in ideology,
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: you know, And and I was, you know, I sometimes
• 35:11
  Speaker 5: think about these things, and you know, one of the
• 35:14
  Speaker 5: things that I am really cognizant of is how do
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: I react to stuff, right, how do I react to
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: the things that I don't have control over, and how
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: do I control myself in those feelings when I feel
• 35:26
  Speaker 5: like I'm losing it?
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 35:27
  Speaker 6: And and so to me, it's really it's been really
• 35:30
  Speaker 6: crucial to just.
• 35:33
  Speaker 5: You know, to stay to stay focused, and to stay
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: like I don't watch the news that much anymore. I
• 35:41
  Speaker 5: don't read the news that much anymore because I understand
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: how I'm being manipulated.
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: But then I also stop and think about the fact
• 35:49
  Speaker 5: that like my grandparents were manipulated, right, my great grandparents
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: were manipulated. My great great grandparents were manipulated, and they
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: didn't have prozac or xanax or legalized weed in half
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: the states, you know, they they they they they had
• 36:07
  Speaker 5: survival at its most basic, right, So I know that
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: I'm really blessed. And but I'm also I have I guess,
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: a responsibility for lack of a better term, And I
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: thought about, like.
• 36:20
  Speaker 6: Okay, how do I how do I approach.
• 36:22
  Speaker 5: My role in the preservation of history making sure that
• 36:26
  Speaker 5: our history doesn't get erased? And and what is it
• 36:29
  Speaker 5: that I'm going to talk about in my next future projects.
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: And and and.
• 36:34
  Speaker 5: And share with people and then they can they can
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: disseminate it any way they want. I mean, that's what
• 36:40
  Speaker 5: I had to do. I had to disseminate that information.
• 36:43
  Speaker 5: And I was again, I was the one who was like,
• 36:45
  Speaker 5: wait a minute, why is this all we're getting in
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: our you know, in our in our school books. You know,
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: when I was a kid, we were there was no
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: Black History Month when I was a kid. Juneteenth wasn't
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: a thing when I was a kid. You know what
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: I'm saying, Like, there's we have to always focus on
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: looking at where we are, where we've been, and how
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: do we learn how to navigate so that we don't
• 37:12
  Speaker 5: just keep going in this perpetual circle.
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: Which is really what we're doing. This is a perpetual circle.
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: We've we've never been in the history of this country.
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: We have very seldom have there been times where we've
• 37:25
  Speaker 5: had the luxury of being human beings. Okay, and and
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: and some people see us that way. And some of
• 37:33
  Speaker 5: those people who see us that way also are willing
• 37:36
  Speaker 5: to turn a blind eye when our humanity is stripped
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: of us. Right, And what we need to understand is
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: that those people who deny us our humanity, and there's
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: a lot of them, they have to give up their
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: humanity in order to take it away from us. And
• 37:56
  Speaker 5: so then the struggle becomes not just how do I
• 37:58
  Speaker 5: ascertain my humanity? How do all of us assert our humanity?
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: What is it that we How can we help these
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: other people get theirs back? Because otherwise you're just gonna
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: keep going in the same circles over and over again. So,
• 38:13
  Speaker 5: you know, I get, I get pretty philosophical a little
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: about it. That's why I don't go out much. I
• 38:17
  Speaker 5: don't drink, I don't, you know, but I channel it
• 38:22
  Speaker 5: into my work and I and I just you know,
• 38:26
  Speaker 5: every single all four of us are living proof of
• 38:31
  Speaker 5: what happens when people don't give up.
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: That our ancestors who didn't give up, you know, even
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: even you know relatives may come and go you know,
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: I didn't.
• 38:44
  Speaker 6: Have a dad growing up, but I had I had.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: Grandparents, I had aunties and uncles and cousins and and
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: we survive, right, and we help each other survive. So
• 38:54
  Speaker 5: that's and that's what Big Gym and the White Boys about, right,
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: That's what I tried to That's what Marcus and I tried.
• 38:59
  Speaker 6: To give to people and hopefully, and.
• 39:01
  Speaker 5: It sounds like you've got it and hopefully other people
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: will get it.
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: And that's something that I think we both loved about
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: the book, is like the relationship between Big Jim and
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: Huck and because like I'm always you know, I grew
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: up my best friend, the first kid I ever met
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: in kindergarten is a kid named Zev, and I'm tight
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: with him to the saying Zev's a little Jewish kid.
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: And then my other best friend is a black kid
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: named Andrew. And so those are my two best friends
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: and I'm still, you know, super tight with both of
• 39:32
  Speaker 3: them to this day. So I've always had, I guess,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: interrelational friendships or whatever. And I've never understood when people
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: are you know, don't think that you know one that
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: black people are like that, and that most people you
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: know in America don't grow up like that. So I
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: just love to see that friendship between them. And we'll
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: talk about surreal moments and one of my for real
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: favorite moments that because I don't want to spoil two much,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: I have a few favorite like when I reread it today,
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: like I was, there's something about the way he brought
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: me to tears. But something that just has me rolling
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: every time is when Huck is getting the explanation of
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: the difference between a man and a ninja, you know,
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: lack of better words, and gives this slight side to
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: the audience, like semi breaking the forefall, And I guess
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: he could be looking at Jim, but you know, for me,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to He's like, y'all hear this ship?
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: You know, yeah for sure?
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: So who thought of that, you know moment right there?
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: Because that was just, you know, one of my favorites
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: in the book.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: I don't want to go ahead.
• 40:50
  Speaker 5: I think it's a combination of the two of us.
• 40:51
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I understand Marcus's art and I
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: know what he's capable of, and I also know that
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: there's stuff that he may not have drawn yet, but
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: that he could do it if I asked him, And
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: so a lot of it was thinking about, Okay, what
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: do I want to see here in this individual panel,
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: this scene. And there'd be times where pages would show
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: up and he'd be like, Yo, where did he come
• 41:18
  Speaker 5: up with this? Like there were sequences in the book
• 41:20
  Speaker 5: that I was just like, this is the most amazing
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: thing I've ever seen, and he'd be like, because he's
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: real chill, he'd be like, yeah, you wrote that.
• 41:30
  Speaker 6: And I'd be like, I did you know?
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: I go back and look at the script, like, oh,
• 41:33
  Speaker 5: I did write that, you know. But I wanted there
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: to be little bits and pieces of things in the
• 41:40
  Speaker 5: story that when you were done reading it, things would
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: add up and he'd go, oh, wait a minute, I
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: need to go back and look at that one sequence
• 41:48
  Speaker 5: because there's a little hint that gets dropped as to
• 41:51
  Speaker 5: this thing that, Yeah.
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: I think in both story and illustration, you guys, I
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: don't know. I'm I know how you do it, but
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: also don't know how you do it, and that's why you
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: got this book. But you managed to take very certain
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: simple ideas and made them very layered. So like that
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: initial like you see Jim and Huck, like Ben you
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: mentioned we love their their relationship, and it seems like
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: at first it's just a buddy camaraderie, like a buddy
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: film type thing, right where they're playing off each other
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: that each other's foil's is very comedic. But then it
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: turns into something very different and unexpected, and for obvious
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: reason I'm not going to give away, but I just
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: thought that was really powerful. Lots of times people will
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: see like that buddy approach and think, oh, it's just comedy, right,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: But to kind of turn that to something really beautiful
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I thought was really nice. And I thought it was
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: a really good touch.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: Thank you, thank you. I mean we put in that work,
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: you know, and I and I and I say we
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: because it was it was a team effort, and that
• 42:59
  Speaker 5: the book wouldn't be what it is without the art,
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: you know, plain and simple. I everybody who picks it
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: up is like, oh my god, this is so beautiful.
• 43:07
  Speaker 5: And there's a couple of key pages that they when
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: they turn to and they're like, oh, it's like yep.
• 43:15
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but like, you know, this this comic book medium,
• 43:18
  Speaker 7: it's you can do such incredible things with it, and
• 43:22
  Speaker 7: you know, there's stuff that overlaps with other storytelling mediums,
• 43:25
  Speaker 7: but when it comes down to it, it's like it's
• 43:28
  Speaker 7: really its own thing, you know what I mean, And
• 43:30
  Speaker 7: like it's just when you have because like David and
• 43:35
  Speaker 7: I we have like a great like creative like relationship,
• 43:41
  Speaker 7: you know, and we're friends. And I've been fortunate that,
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: like all of the comic projects I've worked on like
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: have been positive experiences. But like I feel like, you know,
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: like we're just kind of like keyed in on things
• 43:51
  Speaker 7: and the ideas that that he has, like you know,
• 43:57
  Speaker 7: like when he presents them to me, I'm like, yeah,
• 43:59
  Speaker 7: of course, like you know what I mean, make sense.
• 44:01
  Speaker 7: And I know David said early on when we were
• 44:04
  Speaker 7: working on this, I think before we like really got
• 44:06
  Speaker 7: to work, he said that, you know, he wants to
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: really push the medium and like not just you know,
• 44:13
  Speaker 7: do what's been done before and just like tell a
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: simple story. Like we really wanted to be ambitious, and
• 44:20
  Speaker 7: so I had that in mind, you know.
• 44:22
  Speaker 4: And like for me like creatively, like the idea of
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: like a big.
• 44:25
  Speaker 7: Challenge like yeah, I'm like, all right, let's go, like
• 44:28
  Speaker 7: you know what I mean, because like I don't. Yeah,
• 44:31
  Speaker 7: it's like as one if anything, It's like my fearlessness
• 44:34
  Speaker 7: in life period definitely grew from my creativity because, like
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: I always say, creative people, if you're like because what
• 44:41
  Speaker 7: you're doing is like you're taking like a piece of
• 44:43
  Speaker 7: your soul, your heart, your thoughts, whatever, and you are
• 44:47
  Speaker 7: putting it out there for people to see, you know
• 44:49
  Speaker 7: what I mean. And there's there's a certain amount of
• 44:52
  Speaker 7: bravery that comes with that, like you know, and and
• 44:56
  Speaker 7: so like that helped me like overcome a lot of
• 44:58
  Speaker 7: things in life when it came to like fears or whatever.
• 45:03
  Speaker 7: And so yeah, so that those challenges and like being
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: told like all right, we're gonna make like this super
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: ambitious book and we're gonna push the medium, I was like,
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: let's go, yeah.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: And make people cry too. So do you know you
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: make people cry with your art?
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: Yo?
• 45:18
  Speaker 7: I'm not even kidding because I all right, So like
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: when I some of the scenes that I'm sure you're
• 45:23
  Speaker 7: talking about, when I read them, like like I did,
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: I'm not ashamed to say, like you know, I shed
• 45:29
  Speaker 7: a tear and as I'm drawing them. As I was
• 45:33
  Speaker 7: drawing them, I was like, oh wow, like people are
• 45:36
  Speaker 7: going to feel this. And it wasn't like ego. It
• 45:38
  Speaker 7: wasn't like, oh, I'm we're so dope, We're gonna make
• 45:42
  Speaker 7: people cry. It was just like, I think the reason
• 45:46
  Speaker 7: why that thought was in my head is because I
• 45:47
  Speaker 7: think we were getting at a truth, you know what
• 45:50
  Speaker 7: I mean about like people and relationships and yeah, so
• 45:56
  Speaker 7: I mean yes, But every time every time I hear
• 45:59
  Speaker 7: that though that it did impact somebody in that way,
• 46:03
  Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm honored because I know that we achieve
• 46:06
  Speaker 7: what we set out to do. But it wasn't even
• 46:08
  Speaker 7: to like manipulate people and make people feel something. It's
• 46:11
  Speaker 7: because it's something that I think is in is in
• 46:14
  Speaker 7: all of us, and like you know, like I said,
• 46:16
  Speaker 7: it's getting that a truth that is shared. Yeah, so
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: I think sharing something with people.
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: I was there's a couple of scenes where I was
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: writing them, and as I was writing them, I started
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: to cry. And that's what I knew I was onto
• 46:30
  Speaker 5: something right, And so I said to Marcus, I was like, hey, man,
• 46:35
  Speaker 5: I gotta.
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: Tell you I just wrote this. I just wrote something
• 46:37
  Speaker 6: that's going to make you cry.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: And there was there's like probably a two month window
• 46:41
  Speaker 5: between when I had written that and then I sent
• 46:43
  Speaker 5: it to him. He's working on other pages and then
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: he gets caught up and then I get this text.
• 46:49
  Speaker 6: You made me.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Cry, Like, Okay, that's real, and it's and again it's
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: not meant to be manipulative, but I was. I was,
• 46:58
  Speaker 5: And I was just talking to some people about the
• 47:00
  Speaker 5: other day, not just with with comics and graphic novels,
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: but with books in general. I was like, when was
• 47:06
  Speaker 5: the last time you read something that made you cry?
• 47:09
  Speaker 5: When was the last time you read something that made
• 47:11
  Speaker 5: you laugh out loud? When was the last time you
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: read something that that you were scared to turn the
• 47:15
  Speaker 5: page or when you turn the page you were oh.
• 47:18
  Speaker 5: I was like, this is what we should be going for.
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah.
• 47:23
  Speaker 5: I felt that Huckleberry Finn is Adventures of Huckleberry Finn
• 47:28
  Speaker 5: is considered literature, which I do believe it is literature.
• 47:32
  Speaker 5: I felt like our retelling of it should be nothing
• 47:35
  Speaker 5: less than literature.
• 47:36
  Speaker 6: And just because it has a lot of.
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: Pictures doesn't mean we can't do that. And if we're
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: not trying for that, then why are we here. You know,
• 47:44
  Speaker 5: it's either go hard or go home. And that was it,
• 47:47
  Speaker 5: and so we just, you.
• 47:50
  Speaker 6: Know, we caught lightning in a bottle where we really did.
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: But I also think you know, with the you know
• 47:55
  Speaker 5: and there's I say this in all humility, like Marcus
• 47:58
  Speaker 5: and I have been working at our expected crafts for
• 48:01
  Speaker 5: a very long time, so it's not like we weren't
• 48:04
  Speaker 5: capable of it. We just needed to have the right
• 48:06
  Speaker 5: project at the right time to really show what we
• 48:09
  Speaker 5: were capable of.
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, well y'all won y'all did that?
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: To say the least, I'm gonna tell the truth, I
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: don't give a damn about Huckleberry Finn or whatever for this.
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: And I mean, after this again, I know that's still
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: the base, but this made me actually care because I
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: was like, I don't know if I care. I don't
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: know if I care. When when Ben I mean first
• 48:32
  Speaker 1: told me about this book, I was like, big, yeah,
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: what what are you talking about? And I'm like, Okay, well,
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I know people who wrote it, who do it, but
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: so what who cares?
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: But this is something that you absolutely have to pick up.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: So I absolutely recommend it, recommend it for everybody.
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: If I say briefly, a I one hundred percent agree
• 48:49
  Speaker 4: with that.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 48:50
  Speaker 7: If anything, that is something I really want people out
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: there to know that, like you don't have to have
• 48:56
  Speaker 7: a pre existing relationship with the adventures of both in
• 49:00
  Speaker 7: to appreciate this book, you know at all, And honestly,
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: the way that we created it, we honestly we give
• 49:09
  Speaker 7: you a lot of basically the story and the context,
• 49:13
  Speaker 7: all the story in the context you.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: Need, you know what I mean.
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: And and there's some like interrogation of that original story
• 49:21
  Speaker 7: you know, within the pages of the book.
• 49:25
  Speaker 1: Absolutely.
• 49:26
  Speaker 6: And the most thing I hate sound of music. I
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: really truly hate sound of music.
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: But John Coltrane's version of My Favorite Things is one
• 49:37
  Speaker 5: of my favorite songs.
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: Of all time.
• 49:39
  Speaker 5: Right, so you can have a different version of the
• 49:42
  Speaker 5: same thing and have it mean something to you, right,
• 49:46
  Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's it's what do you how do
• 49:49
  Speaker 5: you want to explore it? And how open do you
• 49:51
  Speaker 5: want to be to it? And And the thing I
• 49:54
  Speaker 5: love about graphic novels is I love picking up a
• 49:57
  Speaker 5: graphic novel not knowing what I'm going to get and
• 50:00
  Speaker 5: getting something that surprises me. Right, And so that's all
• 50:05
  Speaker 5: I asked for people, is like, just give it a shot,
• 50:07
  Speaker 5: Like if you haven't, if you're not feeling it by
• 50:10
  Speaker 5: page twenty, you don't have to go and you know what,
• 50:13
  Speaker 5: you can go to the library at least in most
• 50:15
  Speaker 5: states right now is carrying it for the time being.
• 50:18
  Speaker 5: You know, check it out, see what it's all about,
• 50:21
  Speaker 5: and then if you like it, buy it. If you
• 50:23
  Speaker 5: don't like it, you know, don't buy it.
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: You know, y'all got me on page three. So yeah,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: way way before.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: That, well before that. Like I said, when when I
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: first got the book, I think I picked it up.
• 50:36
  Speaker 3: I picked it up before New York Comic cod because
• 50:38
  Speaker 3: I picked it up actually shout out to Anyone Comics there,
• 50:41
  Speaker 3: that's where I got it. I walked into Anyone Comics
• 50:43
  Speaker 3: to sitting on the shelf. I was like, what the
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: fuck is that? I saw the title. I didn't even
• 50:48
  Speaker 3: realize that y'all too, you know, my people had done it.
• 50:50
  Speaker 3: I just saw the title right away, and I dmit,
• 50:53
  Speaker 3: you didn't have to say anything. I was like, give
• 50:54
  Speaker 3: me that, you know, picked it up, took it on,
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: realized y'all did it, started reading it, and you know,
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: it came out last year, and last year was the
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: first was the year that I also released my first
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: graphic novel, Jimmy Hendris Purple Haze. That's right, and I
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: was so mad when I finished this ship because I
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: was like, fuck.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: Like.
• 51:17
  Speaker 3: Like I know Jimmy's good, but damn it, Like, you know,
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: these bastards over here really done something really special right here.
• 51:26
  Speaker 3: So you know, like if for anyone out there, you know,
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: if y'all are listeners and viewers, for everyone who loves
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: Jimmy Henders, Purple Hayes, I will say that, you know,
• 51:36
  Speaker 3: Benjamin the White Boy is right up there, or you know,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: I have to admit probably better.
• 51:46
  Speaker 4: It's not a competition.
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: It's different, yes, and you know what, there's room for both.
• 51:53
  Speaker 3: Yes, there's definitely no No, we need both, you know,
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: it's beyond the room for both because we need, desperately
• 52:01
  Speaker 3: need them both. But no, when I finished it last year,
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm not only that. I was crying.
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: And then I reread it again today and I'm crying again.
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: So you know, y'all really did something special with us.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: That's a great but it's a great graphic novel. Thank
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: you very much. But before you guys go, we gotta
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: do what are how do you want to introduce this?
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Then I'm gonna let you I mean.
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: This is you know, the brat segment you survived the interview,
• 52:26
  Speaker 3: and now we have the brat seedgment or rapid fire questionnaire.
• 52:31
  Speaker 3: What character's death in any medium struck you the hardest.
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: We're going straight for the Yeah, you gotta.
• 52:36
  Speaker 6: Go for Dwayne Jones and neither Dead. Oh sho, Sam Wow,
• 52:45
  Speaker 6: followed by Jim Kelly and entered the Dragon.
• 52:49
  Speaker 3: Always the black Man dying in the in the other
• 52:51
  Speaker 3: Man's movies, Right.
• 52:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, the other one I will say, the one I
• 52:56
  Speaker 7: will say, I have a bunch, but the one that
• 52:59
  Speaker 7: comes to mind is definitely Wallace in the Wire.
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: Goddamn y'all, y'all, just like Dawn.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: Where's Stringer?
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: That's heartbreaking?
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: Where's Wallace?
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Can you name something that you love that most people don't.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: It could be like a movie, food, a character, or
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: anything that's.
• 53:27
  Speaker 5: A good one because I hate everything. So okay, I'll
• 53:33
  Speaker 5: tell you this because it surprises everybody when I tell
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: him this, my favorite movie of all time, of all
• 53:40
  Speaker 5: time ever Christ Superstar.
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: Wow.
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: That is one that a lot of people don't necessarily like.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: But okay, that's a great answer.
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: You stumped me. Oh let's see.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Uh you like like this?
• 54:03
  Speaker 4: You know there's gotta be a music one all right,
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: hold on, hold on music. I do not like Maclamore.
• 54:08
  Speaker 4: I do not like a dang yo. All right.
• 54:14
  Speaker 7: So I grew up in with a lot of eighties pop,
• 54:17
  Speaker 7: so I know there's something trash in there that I
• 54:19
  Speaker 7: really rock with the time.
• 54:23
  Speaker 3: It's not trash.
• 54:29
  Speaker 7: Look if other people don't like Rick James, I mean
• 54:31
  Speaker 7: obviously the man debatable, but like you know, the music
• 54:35
  Speaker 7: is unimpeachable.
• 54:36
  Speaker 4: Like so yeah, I mean, you know, yeah.
• 54:40
  Speaker 7: Let's let's let's say Rick Rick James catalog. You know,
• 54:43
  Speaker 7: I know a lot of people like Rick James.
• 54:44
  Speaker 4: Yeah, all right, what.
• 54:46
  Speaker 3: Was your first geek crush?
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: I know mine, I don't mind. It's Storm. It's Storm.
• 54:56
  Speaker 7: And specifically specifically because like my cousin introduced me to
• 55:01
  Speaker 7: the comics, and it was like right leading up into
• 55:04
  Speaker 7: the era of Mohawks.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: Storm.
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: But when she was the storyline with Forge where she
• 55:13
  Speaker 7: was going to confront Forge and he was in the mountains,
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: and I just was like, yo, markus Mohawk right, And
• 55:25
  Speaker 7: at the same time, actually I had dual crushes. But
• 55:27
  Speaker 7: at the same time, I believe Monica Rambaud was leading
• 55:31
  Speaker 7: the events. Remember remember just being like there's two black
• 55:35
  Speaker 7: women to have these like prominent roles like in the
• 55:38
  Speaker 7: in these incredible team boats.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: So but definitely Storm first.
• 55:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I just reread that Paul Smith X Men and yeah,
• 55:48
  Speaker 3: that man, he only did ten issues, and it was
• 55:51
  Speaker 3: just like, what is that all? Just and Mohawks, Storm
• 55:55
  Speaker 3: is in there, the Wolverine Silver Samurai fight. It's like,
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: there's so many epic moments in these ten issues that
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: this and you know, yeah, I do something else, all right?
• 56:06
  Speaker 3: Who is your geek crush mine?
• 56:09
  Speaker 5: There was two one was actually was three, but one
• 56:13
  Speaker 5: of them was or two of them were played by
• 56:15
  Speaker 5: the same actress. So the first was was Michelle Nichols
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: and you know, and and especially the episode, the Mirror
• 56:27
  Speaker 5: Mirror episode, She's like has to pretend to be extra
• 56:31
  Speaker 5: badass and and I was like.
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: I like that.
• 56:43
  Speaker 5: And then the other was, because you know, I'm a
• 56:45
  Speaker 5: little bit older, was uh in the reruns of the
• 56:50
  Speaker 5: live action Batman, Uh, Batgirl Yvonne Craig, who played Batgirl,
• 56:55
  Speaker 5: I was just in love with her. And then but
• 56:57
  Speaker 5: she was also on an episode of Star Trek where
• 56:59
  Speaker 5: she played one of the Green Orion girls, right, and
• 57:03
  Speaker 5: so like I recognized her as being the same actress
• 57:08
  Speaker 5: but she was green, and I was like, yo, like
• 57:13
  Speaker 5: like there's something about Green. I mean to this day,
• 57:16
  Speaker 5: like I got it, like the like she Hulk even.
• 57:20
  Speaker 8: Yeah, woh clean, wait wait she Hulk on the eighties
• 57:29
  Speaker 8: Hulk cartoons specifically, there's this one random episode with it
• 57:33
  Speaker 8: where you know, she Hulk was on there.
• 57:35
  Speaker 4: I do remember that being very early.
• 57:37
  Speaker 7: I don't even know how little I was, but I
• 57:39
  Speaker 7: was like yeah, yeah, okay, so that's the early one too,
• 57:42
  Speaker 7: but specifically on the nineteen eighty incredible series.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: That's hilarious, right.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: You know what.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: You may have already answered this question in your other answers,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: but you have to choose Star Wars or Star Trek
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: Star Trek. I knew that.
• 58:00
  Speaker 7: This one is really hard for me. I do love
• 58:03
  Speaker 7: them both. I'm not even trying to be diplomatic. I
• 58:05
  Speaker 7: love them both for different things, Like I think it's
• 58:08
  Speaker 7: weird to even put them up against each other.
• 58:09
  Speaker 4: I will say.
• 58:10
  Speaker 7: Star Trek overall, but I am admittedly a big Star
• 58:15
  Speaker 7: Wars person, and honestly like Star Wars for me early on,
• 58:19
  Speaker 7: like as far as like storytelling and just kind of
• 58:22
  Speaker 7: like the grand the grandness of it all that like
• 58:25
  Speaker 7: ignited my imagination when.
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: I was a kid.
• 58:27
  Speaker 7: But and I was, I had to mature into Star
• 58:30
  Speaker 7: Trek is what I was saying. But like Star Wars
• 58:33
  Speaker 7: grabbed me as a kid, I'm like, boom, let's go.
• 58:36
  Speaker 7: Matter of fact, the first one I saw was Returned
• 58:37
  Speaker 7: the Jedi, which I know is not the best of
• 58:40
  Speaker 7: the original trilogy, but like it captured my imagine.
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: It is. It absolutely is.
• 58:44
  Speaker 7: But then but yeah, I grew into Star Trek and
• 58:47
  Speaker 7: I was like, Okay, I see what everybody's talking about.
• 58:51
  Speaker 4: Even like them both. Yeah, absolutely, and I do. I do.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: But I would give the Edgwer to Star Trek as
• 58:56
  Speaker 4: an adult.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I'll take it.
• 59:02
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: What's your favorite superhero movie of all time?
• 59:10
  Speaker 6: That's a good one.
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: I should just say Meteor Man, just to be that guy.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: I love it.
• 59:18
  Speaker 5: Now, my favorite superhero movie of all time, I'm gonna say,
• 59:21
  Speaker 5: uh really is uh into the Spider Verse?
• 59:26
  Speaker 3: Ah?
• 59:28
  Speaker 5: I think that that is like a work of art
• 59:31
  Speaker 5: on monumental levels, and it gave it brought Miles Morales
• 59:37
  Speaker 5: to the screen.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, can can mine be a tie?
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: Of course?
• 59:42
  Speaker 7: Okay, it's definitely and they were. They were very close
• 59:46
  Speaker 7: in release date, but it is a tie between into
• 59:51
  Speaker 7: the Spider Verse and uh, the first Black Panther film
• 59:55
  Speaker 7: and and a big part of it is I think they.
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: Are incredible works of art.
• 59:59
  Speaker 7: But yo, I mean when Black Panther like is around
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 7: this time of twenty eighteen, and I just remember it
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 7: felt like we were all walking on air black people, you.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 4: Know what it was like. And then you went to
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 4: see it, and then the film and then.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 7: Like you know when when the child says the has
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 7: that last thing and it cuts to all the stars, Yeah,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 7: it was like, Yo, I had chills and it's like
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 7: my best right now.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: Just think about crying. I was in the beginning.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and I like one of my like just best
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 7: best friends. She had moved to the other side to
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 7: actually to David's Neck of the Woods like a year earlier,
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 7: and she like specifically she came back to she was
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 7: back in town and she was like, yo, I want
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 7: to go with you in the family to go see
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 7: this and like and so like just experiencing that with
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 7: her and all of this stuff, all of us walking
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 7: on air during the dark time, it just for me
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 7: that was like.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: And then Spider Verse, it's like, yeah.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 7: Like the the way it pushed the animation, you know
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 7: what I mean, and like the things that you could
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 7: do with animation and bringing Miles to the screen and
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 7: just really having this this young black kid like just
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 7: be the you know, have to find his footing as
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 7: his hero. But then when when you get to that
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 7: like what's up danger, you know what I mean, when
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 7: when he unlocks his uh you know, his his his
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 7: power up.
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 4: Yo.
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 7: That that that just that had me, you know. So
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 7: so those two those are the two.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 3: Time just yeah, I mean, I just like I remember
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 3: when before, right before Black Panther, I think it was,
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 3: I went to a screen and it was me, my
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 3: brother Mellow who I wrote Jimmy with Chuck Creetmer was
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 3: there a few other cats, and we're just all like, please, please,
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 3: let's just be good because you know, we're like we're
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 3: some of the first to see it, and we're like, yo,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: you know, even if it's terrible, we're gonna come out
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 3: of here. But like it's the greatest movie ever. But
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 3: then we walked out and I have video of us
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 3: where we walked out and we're like, yo, what you
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: think And it's just the looks on our faces. I could,
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 3: you know, just it's the elation man the impact.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would have to say Black Panthers a close second.
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: Behind yeah, no, no, yeah.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 3: And then that's the other memory I have is when
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 3: I saw Into the Spider Versus and we saw together
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 3: and we were in all our boy beans. He'd already
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: seen it and we're standing in line with him, and
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: he's like, I'm like, your being, your beans, tell me
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: how it is, but no spoilers, none of that. He's like,
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: your being, it might be better than Black Panther. And
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: I was like, beans, fuck out here.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: And then at the end of the movie, I'm like,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: as I wipe it away, two.
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: Years both just major.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: He's out of line, but he ain't.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: Wrong, just just two more right. If you could have
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: a theme song play when you walked into a room,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: what would it be?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 6: M hm Unyielding Conditioning by Fishbone.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Wow, I have to hear that.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 6: That is. That is a song that gets me through.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: I got kicked in the neck at a Fishbone show
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: in DC. A dude came over the crowdsurfing and wap,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: you know, boot to the neck. But lead singer also
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 3: through his saxophone to a roady like across the stage
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 3: of one of the most beautiful moments in you know
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 3: rock that I've ever seen.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 5: So yeah, it was I took a boot to the
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 5: face at a Rage against the Machine show.
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 8: Rage.
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 3: I only saw Rage for the first time like two
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 3: years ago, and oh my god, I.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: Would love to see you.
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 4: I wasn't.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: I wasn't a fan like that until I saw them live,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: and it was that's enough old than two years ago. Now,
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 3: I was like five years ago now. But Zach was
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 3: fucking he was on a he had one of his
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 3: legs were broken, and he did the show from a
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 3: from a box and destroyed it like sitting and it was, yeah.
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 6: The Rage show that I saw where I took a
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 6: boot to the face.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 5: Their album had been out, hadn't even been out a month.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 5: Oh god, the public enemy, Oh god. And so I
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 5: was like, what's Rage against the Machines?
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 6: Who can they be?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 4: Like?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 6: And they came out and I was like.
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: What forses?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 3: Fishbone was a goodie mob Dai La Soul and then
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 3: Fishbone and so I was there for the first two
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: and then I was like, I'll just standing around in
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: the crowd, you know, for Fishbone. And then I took
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 3: that one to the neck.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: You guys taking boots in the face. Jesus, guys, Marcus,
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: what about you? What's your themes when you walk into
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: a room?
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 4: Oh man?
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 7: So all right, so I got to and I'm sorry
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 7: I started to do double answers, but like it kind
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 7: of depends on the situation. But like I guess my
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 7: one and I swear that this this baseline. It's the
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 7: baseline to me, but it's a massive attacks angel. It's
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 7: just like because you talk about walking into a room,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 7: you know, that's just like a period. You know, there
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 7: is that, but then it's just like, yo, I just
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 7: I love I love Kane, I love everybody, but like
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 7: Kim Rock Kim Is is the goat, and I gotta say, like,
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 7: don't sweat the technique like just that on the baseline.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a lot of rock Kim ones. It
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 4: could be well I was.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 6: My second choice of the microphone theme.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: Oh of course. Yeah.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 7: You know, I've been listening to Follow the Leader a
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: lot this week because I just thought about it and
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 7: it's like, yeah, all right, we could talk all day
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 7: about follow the Leader, but like that that is one
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 7: of the I feel like it's underappreciated. I know it's appreciated,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: but like that was like a year after Payton Full
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 7: and and they just like.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 4: Oh, you thought that was good, you know what I mean?
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 7: Like like like Rob was like he was coming out
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: with like just even more crazy patterns, like on top
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 7: of everything. I feel like his creativity is kind of
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 7: underrated because I think people think about him being nice,
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 7: but if you think about just him thinking up that stuff,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 7: and there really wasn't a precedent, you know what I mean, Like, uh,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 7: there was a lot of casts that were creative and
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 7: like doing it, but like he was just taking to
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 7: another level. Like even when he says like my name is,
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 7: my name is? My name is? He says like R
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 7: A R stands for R switching around R. Like that
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 7: come on, man, who thinks of that?
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 4: Like you know what I mean? It's like yeah, but.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 3: That was something that like I heard it a million times
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: and then it's like one day I'm in I think
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 3: I was in college and I'm sitting there with my
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: brother DJ analyzed, and I was like, Yo, this is
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 3: my fucker said turning around, So comes.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 4: Out R.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: R.
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: You know my name is?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 3: Turn it around and stuff comes out are like.
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 4: He's just got an album full of that stuff. Yeah.
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: On that note, you should peep on YouTube.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 3: The channel is great in general, digging in the Greats
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: or digging the Greats. Yes, yeah, it's a great channel
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 3: in general. But they just dropped a video about don't
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 3: sweat the Technique and just his rhyme pattern and everything
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 3: about you know how genius don't sweat the technique is
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 3: alone by self?
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 4: So yeah, okay everyone out there.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 3: In fact, I was watching the D'Angelo voodoo of breakdown
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 3: is bro I'm have to watch that too, God damn. Yeah,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 3: it's a great channel, all right. If you could have
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 3: anyone superpower, what would.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 6: It be, David, to make people treat each other better?
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 1: To your problem?
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: Okay, if you don't want me to get that existential,
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 5: I would like the ability to teleport because then I
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: could like over any distance because that way I could
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 5: like go have lunch with my cousins in Tennessee and
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 5: not have to get on a plane and do layover.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 6: So like teleportation.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 4: You don't want to fly right now?
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm about to get on a flight. Thanks.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry, Ben, You'll be good, you will be good.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 6: I'm getting on so yeah.
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 4: I'm sorry to everybody. Let's see.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 7: Mine would be see I'm in Clyde again to think
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 7: of something existential.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: But I'm gonna keep it. I'm gonna keep it old school,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 4: keep it. And let's think of the powers that people have. Yo,
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go I was about to say healing power.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 7: That's garbage, because you know, you still hurt, like Wolverine
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 7: is hurting all the time despite effect. So I'm gonna
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 7: go with Yeah, I don't want to be all the
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  Speaker 7: proof because that's the black man's power. It's it's been done.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to be luk.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know what I want to do? Like all right,
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  Speaker 7: this again goes back to my eighties cartoon watching. I
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  Speaker 7: thought it was really dope how the Incredible Hulk could
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  Speaker 7: just be in one city and just leap to another city.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, I want this specifically ability and I was,
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  Speaker 8: I was.
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  Speaker 4: I did high jump when I was in high school.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, okay, so that's where the influence comes up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but like that, you want that for real life
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: out like to be here just like Pe.
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  Speaker 9: Was as a kid, because he would just be like
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 9: like Cincinnati or something like that ship was real because
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 9: the cartoon, that man would leap from city to city.
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  Speaker 2: It'd be like one leap to the next city.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you want it for comedic purposes?
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  Speaker 2: For real, the visual of it would be hilarious.
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  Speaker 1: That's actually a really funny skit. I should write that,
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  Speaker 1: but that's wonderful. I really we really appreciate the both
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: of you be here. This was an insightful conversation. This
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  Speaker 1: was both deep funny. It was a great analysis of
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: Big Jim and a white boy. I told you, We
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 1: told y'all how this impacted us, and it's something that
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  Speaker 1: I really hope a lot more people discover because it
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  Speaker 1: is truly a phenomenal book, beautiful work between the both
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: of you. Thank you so much. Before we get out
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  Speaker 1: of here, can you please tell people where to find you,
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: where to find your work. If you want to plug
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: any other projects you have, please share.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 5: I haven't been spending too much time on social media,
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 5: but if you just look for David F. Walker, you're
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: going to find me most places. My website is DAVIDF.
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 5: Walker dot com and I am getting ready to next
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: month I will be starting my Patreon. I will be
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 5: it will be the return of my publication Badass Mofo,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: which is going to be both a podcast and a publication,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: and I'm self publishing a graphic novel now I ain't.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 5: I don't have anything set up yet because I'm behind schedule.
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  Speaker 6: But David F. Walker, once you go there will take
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: you everywhere you need to go.
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  Speaker 3: Awesome.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, and yo, please support my mes's Patreon because you know,
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 7: I get the I've gotten. He's told me about like
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 7: a lot of things he's got cooking and they are
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 7: they're crazy, and you know, you're talking about somebody who is,
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 7: like David mentioned, has been building and honing these these
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 7: skills for years, so it's gonna be dope, you know.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 7: But for me, you can find me at Marcus Quame
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  Speaker 7: dot com. That's got links all my socials probably the
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 7: ones I actually use, uh the most.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: Are blue Sky.
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  Speaker 7: You can find me on there, and it's Instagram for
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 7: now you know, Meta's garbage, but yeah, blue Sky on Instagram,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: at at Marcus Quame on Blue Sky, and then at
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 7: Marcus Underscore on Instagram because somebody done squatted on.
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  Speaker 1: My name, Oh damn. Okay, and an upcoming projects or
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 1: anything you want to plug Marcus that you could talk about.
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 7: Yes, I'm pretty sure I could talk about this because
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 7: I think I think the publisher did announce it way back, but.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 4: I will be. I am starting work on.
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  Speaker 7: A graphic novel adaptation of Harriet Tubman's biography, so I'm
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 7: excited about that.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: That's gonna be fire already.
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  Speaker 6: Now, yeah, you're jealous of that.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 7: I wish you were running man, but we got we will,
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 7: we will, we were together.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah all right, Well, thank you Bill for joining us,
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  Speaker 3: and thank you everyone out there for joining us on
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  Speaker 4: And we will be back as always.
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