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3 of 4 The Diddy Doc - Episode Three: Sean Combs The Reckoning - Official Girl · Fanatically Speaking with Kent

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No, did it Another episode of Fanatically Speaking.
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I'm Kent, the co -host and promoter. I'm Log
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Off, the Log Off legend, the hater of social
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media. I'm the co -host and producer of the show.
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And we have another episode breaking down the
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Sean Combs Diddy documentary on Netflix. Episode
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three. The Breckoning. Go ahead. Yep. Episode
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three called Unofficial Girl. I'm sorry, Official
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Girl. Excuse me. Yeah. Dyslexia kicked it. Um,
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yeah, official girl and uh, and this one was
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was weird Like just watching it from the jump.
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Do you remember how the episode started? Yeah,
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I mean like I said it gave a glimpse into him
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again with with the women Yeah, and like kim
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porter Then they showed like the kind of a preview
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like I guess Or foreshadowing right that video
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of him and cassie Yes. Yeah. They did a good
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job of that. But the main thing was like the
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opening scene for it was him riding around in
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that car and he FaceTime and all it said that
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he was on the phone with his girlfriend. Yeah.
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I don't think it specified who she was or what
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her name was. It didn't really give her a profile.
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And then he said something about how he was like
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transferring $200 ,000 into the account or something
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like that. Yes. Was it $200 ,000 or $200 ,000?
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I think it was $200 ,000. It was a lot of money.
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It was a lot of money. But it was just weird.
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All he did was fall back on the money. Yeah,
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I'm transferring this large amount of money.
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And she's celebrating. And it's all on FaceTime.
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FaceTime calls like that are weird. And for you
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to do that, being the person that you are in
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a position that you're in, where you've got pending
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criminal charges, and you don't know if you're
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going to go to jail or not. Like that's, that's
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your outlet is to celebrate, you know, moving
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some money around. I don't know. It's, it was
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bizarre to me. Yeah, it kind of, it kind of,
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like I said, it jumped into that. It jumped into
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his, you know, bad boy taken off. Like you said,
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now he's this, you know, like you said, transferring
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money and he's this larger than life persona,
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right? Yeah. Trying to be like his, his mentor
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and it's all about him. And then then they cut
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also with the Sean John clothing line and the,
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you know, they pay him millions, right? 60, what'd
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he say? He's like $60 million check. Yeah. Oh
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my goodness. Yeah, man. Like a, like a huge amount,
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a huge amount. And then when it's all the Siroc
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stuff as well, like, like they, yeah, like they
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covered a lot. And I mean, and that, and that's
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just where all of this kind of hits. It kind
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of runs into a wall for me. Because you saw especially
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throughout like the first tenth of episode three
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Where people even with all the charges and allegations
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that are people still love that dude, man Like
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he didn't get or at least from throughout the
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documentary didn't show like massive amounts
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of disrespect from the public like people were
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Happily taking selfies and you know IG, you know,
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oh, yeah, I'm sitting over here with Diddy You
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know, he's smiling and you know throwing up signs
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and stuff like it was Yeah, it was it was just
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weird to kind of see it and knowing all that
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stuff was already out and it didn't affect the
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people on the street. You know, fame and money
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will do that, but damn, it was just it was a
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hard watch. No, it's a it's a broader picture
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for me. Like it's not just Diddy, like watching
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stuff like that. And and I'll get into it later
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with all these episodes, these last two. But
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it's celebrities in general, right? Yeah, you
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you kind of know they're wrong. but you're still
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drawn to them. Like the normal, everyday person
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doesn't care because they're looking at this
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individual. Again, they're a celebrity and they're
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like, yeah, well, he's this though and he made
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this song and he did this, he made this movie.
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He can never do that. So you don't even, you
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know, put it in your brain that they could be
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a bad person and they could do bad things. Yeah,
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well, and not only that, like, I mean, by the
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time that footage was captured, the video of
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him beating and kicking and dragging Cassie through
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a hotel hallway was already released. You know
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what he's capable of. Like like you saw it like
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that shit was out there. He'd already issued
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a public apology So like so I hear you and you're
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right celebrity is strong, especially in American
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culture It's weird where where people are just
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so drawn to the fame and the you know use power
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in quotes that people have it's But to know that
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all that information is out there. The proof
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is there you can see it But yet you still fanboy
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when you see this person walking up and down
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the street. Yeah, that's just not something I
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don't know. I wouldn't never see myself doing
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that. I've never been big on celebrities like
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that anyway. And Diddy's a massive one. But I
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mean, the comfort that people had with him just
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made me uneasy. Yeah, I was going to save this
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take for later, but I'm going to go ahead and
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hit y 'all with it. Rip it. Go rip it. So, you
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know, even like in sports, right? If you're good
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enough. You'll get another chance, right? If
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you're good enough player, good enough coach,
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you can do wrong. You're gonna get another chance.
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And people are gonna look past you, right? The
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more talent you have, the less people look, right?
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And the same in this instant. Diddy was a star
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at this point, right? By the time, like you said,
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when their video and his documentary were doing
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the videography. We know about Cassie. We know
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about the charges. We know about the entire history
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of Diddy. And like you said, people are still
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taking pictures with him because he has this
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history of hits and fame and stardom. If you're
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just a regular, you know, like you've made one
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good song or you've done a little bit of work,
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nobody, you're gonna be looked at differently,
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right? You might not get that same love. And
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it's the same in sports and any celebrity, any
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celebrity, right? You don't want to think that,
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you know, I'm going to start dropping names here.
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You don't want to think that Bill Cosby did wrong,
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and then, you know, Michael Jackson made Thriller,
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and R. Kelly did these songs. You know, these
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are names in the music and now, you know, acting,
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but you don't want to think about it because
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you're like, yeah, but they did this. So the
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better actor, the better athlete, the better
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musician, singer, rapper, whatever, it's going
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to make you, you know, the... the regular, again,
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everyday people are gonna give you a little bit
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of slack, right? They're gonna cut you some slack
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and not look at you as bad because they can't
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put the two and two together. And that's fair.
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Listen, Puff, Diddy, so I have serious XM satellite
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radio. And they have this channel or station
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called Hip Hop Chronicles. And it's like a circulation
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of like what they call kind of the top 500 hip
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hop records in history. It's wide ranging. There's
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a lot of more recent stuff in there that that's
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actually pretty strong and holds up. But a lot
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of it is historical hip hop tracks. And the influences
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and the wide reaching arm of bad boy records
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blows my mind. And it's because there's so much
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that I forgot about, where I'm like, oh shit,
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that was Bad Boy. Damn, Mace was on that remix.
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It's so much of it. And for you to say about
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Diddy being such a celebrity, he's also made.
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It's funny, we sit back and you think about somebody
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like a Andre Harrell or a Russell Simmons, it's
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arguable that - Diddy's bigger than both of them.
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Historically bigger than both of them. When it
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comes to just record labels as a whole, Bad Boy,
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they can hold their own against anybody. And
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the catalog is spanning over decades. So it's
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not just, and I hate to throw these examples
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out there, But you were talking about making
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a comparison to athletes who drop the ball, so
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to speak, have a huge slip up. So I'm just gonna
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throw three names out there. When you said earlier,
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three names came to my mind. Ray Rice, Michael
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Vick, Kobe Bryant. Three names that came to mind
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to me. Now, Ray Rice, aging, running back. The
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video was telling... of him knocking his wife
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out in an elevator, dragging her body out. That
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is different level than the stuff with Michael
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Vick, which was, you know, dog fighting allegations
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and, you know, horrible torture of animals and
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all that went to prison, came out and still had
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it athletically to where he got a shot. And then
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of course, Kobe with rape allegations. And obviously
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he was still, he was, I don't even think he'd
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fully reached his full potential at that point.
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We we saw what happened and he came back and
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he was able to win championships after that and
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it's almost like it's all forgotten So, you know
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three examples two of them similar Ray Rice different,
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but you're right if you we can benefit from it
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We'll give you another chance But the bad boy
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catalogs are already existing Like they're already
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there like they're they're monumental like you
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can put them up on Mount Rushmore You know, so
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I get it. It's I don't know, man. It's just,
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it was hard for me to kind of interpret it in
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a certain way. I was trying to be objective,
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but after all the allegations and all the women
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and all the people coming forward, all the people
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he'd screwed over, it was hard for me to look
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at it and say, all right, I'm going to try to
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make a case to see where maybe Diddy didn't do
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any of these things. It's just hard to come by.
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Yeah. If most people with a level mind level
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head, you know, if they watch the the documentary
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And we talked about it is coming from a certain
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direction from 50 cent But you know, these people
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are real people who knew Diddy who worked for
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Diddy There's also audio. There's also email.
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There's text messages So once you watch the doc,
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I think people will have a different mindset
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I don't know if they'll stop listening to bad
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boy music, but hey, we'll see Speaking of their
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music, I wanted to point out that they cut into
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Diddy with the Come With Me song that he did
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with Jimmy Page. It was a huge hit. Mark Curry
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talked about basically writing the song, writing
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the rap, and teaching Diddy, or Puff at the time,
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how to actually rap. And, you know, he kind of
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makes fun of Diddy, which they do throughout
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this, a couple of times in the documentary, in
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a few of the episodes, they kind of clown, again,
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his rapping ability. But as I point out, I think
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he was more of an entertainer, producer, figure,
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more than a rapper. I don't think anybody's gonna
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sit here and say, yeah, Puff Daddy Diddy is one
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of the greatest rappers ever. But... But yeah,
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so again you talk about music and the music he
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made I mean come with me the collaboration with
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Jimmy Page was huge for the Godzilla soundtrack
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And then of course I Said Mark Curry was one
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of those people who were in bad boy had some
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spots and then faded and That gets into of course
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the theme that we're gonna get into that's one
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of the themes I get from every episode, right?
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And I told you that like when you think of bad
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boy, there's only a few artists groups That had
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multiple albums and had longevity most of it
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was Boom, let me take let me use you for your
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skill and then you're out and then go on to the
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next one Diddy Puffy he's on to the next one
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One of those artists as well shine Yes, yeah
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and that obviously, you know it touched on that
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too where You know, there was the, uh, you know,
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the shooting, you know, at the, at the nightclub.
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And, uh, and as in, I'm glad you brought up that
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the Sean thing, cause you obviously will get
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to the shooting, you know, and what took place
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in, and then it's aftermath. But I, before watching
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this documentary, a lot of this stuff was out
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of sight, out of mind. The violence that surrounded
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Diddy. it's, it's unconscionable that he just
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happens to be the person that's in the places
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where all these things keep happening. Like it,
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and he's never, he's never the focal point. Like
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he always skates. He always finds a way out.
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You know, there's that. And then there was the,
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and then that same episode, you know, there was
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the, the incident that allegedly took place.
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at the recording studio, but then it's reported
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that it took place outside of the recording studio.
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And, you know, the, the, but to backtrack to
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the, to the Sean thing, you know, there were
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witnesses that said that it was Diddy. Like they,
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they, they, they, they pointed it. I said, no,
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it was, it was you. You did this. Like you shot
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me in the face and somehow it still falls on
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Sean. and he does a decade in prison. It's strange.
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Shon was another one where talented artists,
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unique voice, unique sound, he had a career path
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in front of him. One night out with Denny and
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it ruins all of it. It takes all of it out. And
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I don't know if you've looked into see what Shon's
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into now, but he's been released from prison
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and he's got his own thing going on now. You
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know, it's just, it's interesting that, that
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these things constantly, you know, from, from
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the charity basketball game to the Tupac shooting,
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to the big issue, like just all these things
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that just have these hints of bad boy on them.
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And it's, and it's like massive amounts of violence,
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if not death that seems to take place. It's just,
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it's, it's bizarre, man. Well, again, that's
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the other thing, right? To me. That's the other
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theme that keeps happening and it'll continue
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and we'll talk about these other issues and events
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that happen. And in this one, like you said,
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yeah, Natanya Rubens was the girl in the club
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that got shot in the face. She said she saw Puff
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with the gun. Sean had a gun too. I think allegedly
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they both shot, but. You know, he was dating
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JLo JLo was at the club with him that night Apparently
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there was a guy, you know, the story is of course,
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there was a guy from the neighborhood They had
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beef. So of course, you know puffy they they
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go at it shots fired At Club New York Did he
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was facing 15 years? Now here's the difference
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though, right? Oh, yeah, and the stolen gun found
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in the SUV a puff and JLo Stolen gun, yes. Allegedly,
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he offered cash and a diamond ring to the driver
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to take the fall for the gun. So like you said,
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you hit on the other issue, right? So what'd
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they say, eight months earlier, he already had
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a felony charge where, or maybe this was a different,
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yeah, this was a different one, right? Totally
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different, yeah. This was a different one, yeah.
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So I'm gonna get back to the shine one. So yeah,
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he again he had eight months earlier he and two
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guards beat up Steve stout with a phone champagne
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bottle and chair over the hate me now video where
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did he was on a cross and Hezekiah Walker told
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him is you know, it's blasphemous. He can't do
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this So did he wanted the the image removed they
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wouldn't do it So he just goes beat the hell
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out of them And they settled and they dropped
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the charges. So he got off there. The big difference
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here, though, is this is where, you know, again,
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you talk about Diddy treating his artists, treating
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his right -hand men, people in Bad Boy not paying
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them or, like I said, we talked about him messing
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with the Biggie contract and the funeral, all
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this stuff. So here we go again, right? Sean,
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like you said, he goes to prison for 10 years.
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Yes. Well, Puff had Johnny Cochran again. Johnny
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Cocker and get the devil off some charges. So,
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you know, Puff didn't give Sean one of his artists
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who was there with him in the club, that same
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lawyer. Sean had to get his own legal team. Bad
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Boy wouldn't even, you know, give him the good
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lawyers. Sean was complaining, talking about
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the lawyers, what they weren't trying to help
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him. It seemed like They were trying to spin
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it where Sean would take the fall. Now, Sean
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admitted, I believe he admitted to having a gun
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or possibly shoot right. So it just seemed like
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Sean's like, wait a minute. It seems like they're
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trying to get me to take the fall. And ultimately,
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that's what happened. Puff came out clean. He
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kept on making music, getting artists. But yeah,
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that's the big difference there was a little
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kind of dirty. You know, Diddy gets off, he gets
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Cochran. Sean doesn't get that same help, man.
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Diddy just left him high and dry. Yeah, and that's
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the, you know, the theme of this is that there's
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a, there's a trail of, there's a trail of disgruntled
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artists. There's a trail of violence, gunshots,
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literal death in this guy's wake. And still there's
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a line wrapped around the building of people
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who were willing to overlook all of that just
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to get a shot. And there's so many other opportunities
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for people, especially nowadays, 2025, plenty
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of opportunities for you to kind of go out and
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spread your wings without having the backing
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of a record label as big as Bad Boy. But it was
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just, but even back then, There were other opportunities
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and I don't know, they've always made it seem
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like throughout the documentary that Diddy was
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a really good manipulator and just leading you
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on just long enough. But the level of selfishness
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is unlike anything I've seen displayed that way.
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Because, and I said that as a disclaimer, when
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we recorded our first episode that with the documentary,
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you could paint anyone to look any way that you
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want them to look. And while that is true, Did
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he didn't do himself any favors? He didn't do
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himself any favors when it came to being someone
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who has empathy, who can understand a position
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that someone's in. And by the way, in people
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that it would take little to no effort for him
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to help them in the situations in which him and
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his record label has massively benefited from.
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It's just, I don't know, man. It changes the
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way, I wanted to make sure I got through the
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documentary first, and obviously we'll do an
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episode for episode four too. But after going
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through all of it, man, it's just hard to see
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him listen to anything that he does, listen to
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him speak, and just say, you know what, I want
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to support that guy. I want to support that artist,
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knowing what was in his wake. No, and again,
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you mentioned that theme. You mentioned him doing
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people wrong and yet still able to find talent,
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right? So Mark Curry mentions, you know, he kind
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of cut to him and he talks about, even at this
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point, early 2000s, everyone around Puff, they
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go to jail, almost die, et cetera. Like you said,
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bad things happen to everybody around them. Except
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for him. Except for Diddy. You know, Puff and
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JLo split over this whole incident. Of course,
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she don't want that on her image. She's a rising
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movie star doing her music and stuff. So then
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one of his guys, Tim Dogg Anderson, he leaves
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due to the chaos thinking that he could be the
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next one involved in something bad. So he leaves
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Diddy. Diddy's, you know, Puff Daddy, he's losing
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talent in Bad Boy, Mace. Faith Evans 112 total
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the locks. So he's got to find a new way to find
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talent. They break, they go into how he hooks
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up this deal with MTV and uh, making the band.
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So now, so now he's got a new way, a new show.
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Reality TV is kind of big at the time. So, you
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know, very smart business decision by him and
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he does, uh, you know, making the band, which
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of course launched, you know, the band, Danity
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Kane, day 26. And again, like you said, day 26.
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So here you go. New talent, young, up and coming,
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aspiring artists. Hungry artists. Yeah. He's
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like, they're ready to do whatever. Yeah. And
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the interesting thing about the making the band
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phase, especially as it was covered in the documentary,
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we'll get to some of the darker sides of it.
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But the other thing, and this is just really
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quick, is that I lived through that era. I lived
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through the first making the band, and then I
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lived through the Denity Kane Day 26 portion.
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At no point, at no point throughout either making
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the band seasons, any of them, and any of the
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artists, did you ever think that the show was
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really about the artists? It was all about Diddy.
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And when I'm saying that, I'm not saying that
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in hindsight. As this was going on, I'm like,
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okay, yeah, this is a bad boy. Take that production.
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This is about promotion of the record label.
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This is about promotion of Puff. I recognize
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that then. So much so, so obviously we see what
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happened to all of those bands. They all seem
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to crash and burn. You know, yeah. I mean, like
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that's how it went. And honestly, I think it
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was just kind of by design. Now it raised Diddy's
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profile. It made him bigger. It had him on television.
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I think they actually said it. I think it was
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one of the members from Day 26 said it in the
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documentary. Like they were the highest rated
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all black show on MTV at the time, like with
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a majority black cast. That's massive. You know,
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this is in the early 2000s. Like this was 2005,
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2006. This is large. But it was all about Diddy.
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It wasn't really about the artists. So much so
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too. I don't even think you could name any anybody
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else. Could you name an artist from Day 26? Could
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you name any of them? Because I can't. I'll be
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honest. I think I missed that part. There you
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go. I think I missed like, you know, I'm a little
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older than you. Definitely the band that Eddie
24:38
Kane, I was a part of that. Yeah, Day 26. I'm
24:40
like, yeah, I think I completely missed that.
24:42
And I couldn't name. Totally missed out. I couldn't
24:44
name one. I couldn't name one song from them
24:46
guys. me neither. No, I can't name this. I can't
24:49
name a song. I can't name a song and I can't
24:52
name, um, and I couldn't name like any of the
24:55
individual artists, but it's like, but from like,
24:57
uh, like for the first make it like the van,
25:00
I remember Ness, uh, Choppa, Babs, Dylon, Dylon,
25:06
Dylon, like I, like I could do a Sarah, like
25:09
I could do that. Uh, uh, and then, um, uh, what's
25:12
the dude, uh, Fred was the other guy. All of
25:15
those come to mind, but for everybody else, it
25:17
was like, nah, nah, nah. This is more about bad
25:19
boy than it is about the artist. And then of
25:22
course, you brought that up. I think kind of
25:26
the darker shift of that episode was where they
25:35
went into some of the allegations that were made
25:38
by some of the Danity Kane. artists. And I mean,
25:42
and there were other allegations to that, the
25:45
members from Dirty Money, but it, yeah, it was
25:51
a dark episode. I did, I had to kick my daughter
25:54
out of the room. I didn't want her to have to
25:55
sit there and watch that. And I think I told
25:58
you, I was like, yeah, I don't like the way this
25:59
has turned in. Let me go ahead and kick her out.
26:02
But did anything kind of stick out to you? So
26:09
so a couple things even before they got into
26:12
the Danny Kane and Aubrey Was like Babs talking
26:16
about the contract for them. Like you said they
26:18
were hungry for stardom and she was like, you
26:21
know, there's this big huge stack of papers that
26:24
was the contract that nobody would ever read
26:27
and They gave him 24 hours to sign it to be you
26:31
know to again being bad boy And on the label
26:35
and you know her lawyer told her they're not
26:37
offering you uh, fame and fortune. They're, they're
26:40
offering you fame, not for true. And by the way,
26:42
I want to give, I love, I love Babs. I've always
26:46
loved her as a personality. Like she, out of
26:48
everybody, anybody from that era, man, she always
26:51
seems so cool to me. I'm going to give her props
26:54
for actually making sure that she had to have
26:55
an attorney take a look at it separate. And it's
26:58
like, Oh, yeah, by the way, here's this big ass
27:00
contract. You got 24 hours and she probably gave
27:02
it to the attorney who was able to go over it
27:04
and give her the game, you know, maybe, uh, maybe
27:08
it was, it was a big stack. But I mean, but I
27:11
mean, those firms, I mean, honestly, I don't
27:13
know if you noticed, but like those firms, when
27:14
you have something like that, they literally
27:16
just take chunks of it and then divvy it up amongst
27:18
several paralegals and say, break this down.
27:21
But, you know, but like you said, she, she saw
27:24
it in front of her. She's like, look, this is
27:25
my opportunity. Like she's from Brooklyn. We're
27:28
biggies from big is it, you know, an inspiration.
27:31
If you watch making the band, she could recite
27:34
juicy word for word, like So she was, she was
27:38
a fan. She had made it that far and won the competition
27:41
to the point where she had a record contract
27:44
in front of her. She knew she wasn't going to
27:47
make a fortune, but it would give her a name
27:50
and she would be signed a bad boy. And she chose
27:52
to sign that contract. So I can't knock her forward,
27:55
but I do give her props for making sure an attorney
27:57
wants to over it. For sure. Nope. Nobody that,
28:00
you know, is trying to make it to be famous would
28:03
turn it down, right? Again, Even though Diddy,
28:05
you've been through all the stuff you've been
28:07
through, I mean, you still are gonna sign with
28:09
Bad Boy because Bad Boy was still rolling. And
28:12
at this time, I'll give a little, this is where
28:16
you say, this was kind of, I don't know if it's
28:17
a good and a bad thing, but you saw early episode
28:21
of Diddy running as an intern to get stuff and
28:25
bring it back so quickly. His work ethic was
28:29
top notch, right? So, you know. He was pushing
28:32
the band, making them walk from Manhattan to
28:34
Brooklyn for cheesecake. And if it's not right,
28:38
then he send it back. And he was like, yeah,
28:41
make sure it don't have no this on it. You make
28:43
sure it don't have no... And I think it's...
28:46
So it's aberable in some ways, because he was
28:50
like, that's what I was willing to do. Let me
28:53
see if you guys are willing to do it. And people
28:55
are like, man, I lived here my whole life and
28:57
ain't never walked from Manhattan to Brooklyn.
29:01
It was also a television program, and it made
29:04
for a fantastic TV. Exactly. And if people, if
29:08
you don't already know, reality television maybe
29:11
was actually reality television one season, and
29:15
then after that it's crazy. So out of all this,
29:19
though, again, we're going to get into, before
29:21
we get into Aubrey and Danny D. Kane and all
29:23
this, you know, explicit stuff, really dark stuff,
29:28
the making the band they talk about, again, Obviously,
29:32
he's already, Puff, he's already blown up. He's
29:35
got Bad Boy, he's got doing his stills, doing
29:37
his music, got his Sean John blowing up, Cologne,
29:40
like you said, everything he's got. They said
29:43
it gave him pop credibility, making the band
29:45
dead. And again, that's a whole nother audience
29:48
outside of the hip hop and the rap, right? And
29:51
it almost, I put this like, it's almost like
29:55
he had a, you know, they said, and I think maybe
29:57
they said this, like, he had this God complex.
29:59
So he is now, again, jumping even, he's risen
30:05
even higher. Like you said, throughout all the
30:09
bad stuff, he still comes back on top and just
30:12
keeps getting bigger and bigger. And then it
30:17
gets into, again, Aubrey of Danny D. Kane sharing
30:22
an email that Puff sent to her. This led in,
30:26
again, he had a gun complex and he got bigger
30:28
and bigger. rising, you know, to bigger, more
30:31
power, more fame, all this. So he began, this
30:35
was when he began, as they say, kind of grooming
30:40
Aubrey, telling her she's the pretty one, she's
30:44
this, she's that. And then of course she reads
30:47
an email that Puffett sent to her that was pretty
30:50
explicit. The saddest part was the pictures in
30:56
which they painted Aubrey where you saw her as
31:00
this young girl, like, you know, dancing and
31:05
singing and just wanted to be a star. And then,
31:09
you know, she tells the story about how she wasn't
31:11
even looking to do it. And, you know, her family
31:14
came to her and was like, Hey, we think this
31:16
will be a great opportunity for you. And then
31:17
it ends, you know, like this, you know, because
31:20
they saw her potential and they saw that she,
31:22
I mean, and she's incredibly talented. And unfortunately,
31:25
she just got snatched up by that bad boy bug.
31:30
And it was sad to see, sad to read, to look at
31:35
her just kind of looking at it. And I don't know
31:43
what would come of this. I don't know what's
31:47
going to come of it. I know they said, throughout
31:50
the documentary, man, they made it a point to
31:52
say that he's got something like 77 pending lawsuits.
31:56
Yeah, they kept flashing that. Basically, it's
32:00
telling the whole story, but then it would show
32:02
that obviously he's on trial. This is what he's
32:05
accused of. This is what he's guilty of. Here's
32:08
what's pending. Yeah, 77 civil cases still pending.
32:13
Yes, yeah still pending and and you know, and
32:15
of course did he's just like oh It's another
32:17
one and you know, you know, I'd never did any
32:19
of this to her You were there the whole time
32:21
and you know, just kind of paint this story But
32:24
I mean and I know and I know this is you know,
32:27
it's in the song, dude He literally wrote a song
32:29
more money more problems, you know when you're
32:32
that rich lawsuits are just kind of part of the
32:34
game But there's plenty of people who are filthy
32:38
rich who don't have these types of accusations
32:41
that are scattered over 30 years. I don't know.
32:47
I hate to say where there's smoke, there's fire,
32:50
but it definitely appears like something's burning.
32:55
Yeah. And again, like you said, there's a lot
32:59
of alleged things, a lot of alleged stories,
33:03
incidents that happened. This email is again,
33:06
not alleged. This was an email that he sent to
33:08
her. And I'm not gonna get into super details.
33:11
I'm just gonna say He he basically said he wanted
33:15
to have sex with her. Yeah, and at this time
33:18
he is her boss He is over a bad boy. She is an
33:22
artist on the label and He and again, he is saying
33:28
this is what I want to do This is how I do women
33:32
This was like, you know kind of not word -for
33:36
-word, but yeah, you get the gist of the email
33:39
And like you said, the email is proof, the video
33:42
with Cassie is proof. These are things that can
33:44
say, yeah, this proof would make me believe the
33:49
alleged things that are also said. But what got
33:52
me, I don't know if you caught this on the email,
33:56
but as explicit as the email was, he signs it,
34:03
God bless Puff, God is the greatest. Yeah. And
34:09
it threw me off, and I'm laughing because it's
34:12
almost a joke that you would send someone that
34:18
email, and that's how you sign it. And then it
34:23
gets me back to that God complex. And in his
34:26
mind, because later you'll see something else
34:29
where he compares himself, is he talking about
34:32
God? Or is he talking about himself? Or is he
34:36
talking about himself? Right? Yeah. Yeah, I caught
34:39
that too. You know what I mean? Right? So, you
34:43
know, and this was a sad thing because, and again,
34:45
this is something else you'll find a theme was
34:48
again, she says she turned them down or she never
34:53
acted on anything. And then she was fired six
34:56
months later because he said she was a problem.
35:00
Her energy was bad for the group. But then we
35:03
also learned that Again, he was on to the next
35:05
thing already. Yes, because on the side he was
35:08
working with Dom Richard and Kalena Harper on
35:14
Diddy Dirty Money. Yeah. Yeah. And that's another
35:17
thing where, you know, this is, he's almost like
35:21
a, like a succubus for talented, starving artists
35:24
where he can always have the next one line up.
35:28
where he can take all their talents, use them
35:31
to his benefit, and then the second he's annoyed
35:33
with them, the second they start to give him
35:36
a little pushback, the second where he feel like
35:39
maybe they're trying to outshine him, the second
35:42
that they give him any resistance, he just gets
35:44
rid of them. And I think probably the more interesting
35:50
thing is when you look at... how probably the
35:55
last 15 years of his career is predominantly
35:58
centered around women. It's not a ton of dudes.
36:03
You know what I mean? And I don't know if that's
36:06
strategic or maybe it's just an evolution in
36:08
his control and his power or influence, but it's
36:13
definitely something that I didn't miss. It was
36:16
something that was evident to me, where I could
36:18
see it, where it's like, OK. You know Danity
36:22
Kane and you know Dirty Money and Cassie. It's
36:25
like, you know, you're attached at the hip to
36:28
these female artists I don't know it was Yeah,
36:31
it was very interesting stuff Yeah, yeah, and
36:35
you just mentioned again. Yeah being outshined.
36:37
So again Dirty Money involved him. Yes, right
36:40
Yeah, so another way to get him back in the limelight
36:44
and And then of course then it rolls into He
36:49
gets in a little bit of dirty money. They talk
36:50
about, you know, relationship. Like, he had a
36:54
special relationship with Donna Sharp. Even though
36:57
Kalena Harper will find out maybe was closer
37:01
to Puff than, you know, Dawn. But then comes
37:07
Cassie. Yes. Yeah. To Bad Boy in 2006 at age
37:13
19. And at the time... another, another theme
37:19
here we'll get into. She was dating Ryan Leslie,
37:22
a producer who Puff had worked with before. They,
37:27
of course, saw Cassie, heard Cassie, and they
37:30
talk about that she was recording within two
37:36
weeks. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, of course,
37:43
Diddy, as he always does, he makes his move.
37:46
He, you know, he claims somebody else's girl.
37:50
He, he put, he pushes in on them and, you know,
37:54
I don't know it to have somebody that possessive
37:58
over women. I mean, I'm, I've never been that
38:01
kind of guy. I've, I've, I've seen guys like
38:03
that. Just I've experienced in life, nothing
38:05
to that level of, you know, extreme, but it's
38:08
almost like his, his goal was to, was to go after
38:12
someone else's girl. It's just, I don't know,
38:14
man. It's a part of that power, right? Yeah.
38:18
Yeah. But it's like you, but he already has the
38:21
power. Like the sad thing is no matter what,
38:25
he'll never, he'll never reach a maximum power.
38:28
What you going to have all the women do. You
38:30
want every woman on the planet. You want to take
38:35
every, you want to take a wife from every husband.
38:39
Like that's what you want. Wife side chick. He
38:42
was taking, he literally taking everybody. Yeah,
38:48
like I said, I mean they're recording and they
38:51
said Ryan Leslie was there at recordings and
38:53
then all of a sudden he wasn't. And then Cassie
38:56
had a 10 album deal, which is unheard of. A 10
39:00
album deal, you know, and then, you know, there's
39:04
the, you know, the Kim Porter... He was still...
39:08
Yeah, the Kim Porter evolution where, you know,
39:11
she... She sees it. She sees what's going on.
39:13
She sees, you know, him spending a lot of time
39:15
with Cassie and is like, you know what? This
39:18
relationship is over. Like this, this is a wrap.
39:20
Like I'm out. But he had both of them at a stretch.
39:24
Yeah. He had him at a stretch and she had a stretch
39:27
where Cassie was in front of people and then
39:29
sometimes they were together. I mean, he literally
39:32
had his cake and eating it too. Like he had his
39:35
wife and girlfriend. Um, yeah. And like you said,
39:39
yeah, she finally said, no, this is Yeah, I'm
39:42
out. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. She had enough and
39:46
you know, I mean, ultimately he got what he wanted
39:48
and, and I'm, and I'm not going to try to say
39:50
this as a, I don't want to say this to be insulting.
39:54
I don't want to say this to be degrading in any
39:57
way. I, I forgot how beautiful Cassie was. Like
40:05
I just, like, I, like I always knew she was attractive.
40:07
I'll always, but, but in And I don't think it
40:10
had anything to do with her, her youth. She,
40:13
she was a natural beauty. And you know, for,
40:17
for someone to be attracted to her fine. I mean,
40:19
it's, it's obvious. I get it. But she was also
40:22
incredibly talented. And even with that, I still
40:25
don't think with her beauty and her talent, she
40:27
never actually hit a top level. It was as if
40:31
she was intentionally held back. Well, there's
40:35
a reason again, back to that theme again. another
40:39
artist who had you know, I hit an album and then
40:45
Then it's just like she became his girl, right?
40:48
You know, like I said, they was he was paying
40:50
for everything for Cassie. She had to pay for
40:52
anything So again, call it what you want grooming
40:55
or dating or whatever the case may be but uh,
40:58
you know, here's a young aspiring talent where
41:01
he's obviously Offering her the world And then
41:07
it goes dark again Then we get into the gigolo
41:14
And they start yeah Having her call him he comes
41:22
They do their thing and it was mainly, you know
41:26
at the orders of puff apparently according to
41:29
him Puff was they said face covered and he was
41:37
called Frank Black As we you know go back to
41:43
hypnotize and Not again not a lot of detail,
41:48
but you know it was mainly diddies in the corner
41:53
Gigolo Cassie doing their thing lots of baby
41:56
oil recording long sessions and Gigolo You know
42:02
said it was a name Clayton Howard You know paid
42:05
six thousand he would come every two to three
42:08
weeks for them for eight years There are a lot
42:13
of graphic details that I'm not gonna just go
42:18
into because I don't think it's necessary, but
42:20
a lot of graphic explicit, again, details that
42:24
they would have him do and Cassie. Yeah, and
42:33
the evolution of that where it's secret. and
42:40
discreet at first. And then, you know, then Diddy
42:43
starts to get more involved, you know, little
42:46
by little, you know, issue, you know, issuing
42:49
commands, being in full control as you keep mentioning
42:53
the God complex, who's, I didn't tell you, you
42:56
could do that. Who? No, no, no. You don't do,
42:58
you don't, you do what I tell you to do, you
43:00
know, and then of course kind of the, the, the
43:05
end result is him full fledged. involved, you
43:09
know, in these exploits with, you know, with,
43:12
with, with Cassie, you know, and this sex worker,
43:15
you know, according to his allegations. So, you
43:18
know, ongoing for years it, um, yeah. Flying
43:23
him from New York to New York, across the country
43:27
to Miami, which is why did he's in trouble, uh,
43:31
a little bit. And then, uh, you know, they mentioned,
43:34
you know, this, this struck me too was They always
43:37
caught him on March 9th. Oh yeah, the day that
43:41
Biggie died. Yes. And he said that they would
43:45
party three to four days with, obviously, escapades
43:51
with Cassie for three to four days. And again,
43:55
ecstasy was involved. So a lot of drinking, a
43:59
lot of drugs, a lot of sex. And it just kind
44:03
of struck me, though, that he would party. on
44:07
the anniversary of Biggie's death. Well, and
44:09
I'll tell you this, man, when I was a young man,
44:13
I attended a lot, I attended a lot more funerals
44:16
as a younger person than I did as, you know,
44:18
as I age. Clearly that'll change at some point.
44:22
But I remembered once it was during a funeral,
44:26
I remember my aunt stood up once at a funeral
44:29
and said, you know, never shame someone and how
44:31
they choose to grieve. Everyone grieves differently.
44:35
Some people try to remember the good times and
44:38
laugh and smile, and some people are just crying
44:41
their eyeballs out. So I try to be a little cautious
44:45
when it comes to that. Everybody kind of deals
44:46
with their pain in a certain way. And if that
44:49
was how he was choosing to do it, if he wasn't
44:51
hurting anybody, I couldn't have any issues with
44:53
it. And from how it was described, I don't think
44:58
he was doing anything other than paying a sex
45:01
worker. He wasn't really doing anything illegal.
45:05
However, the one thing that kind of stood out
45:08
to me in all of that, and it may have been really
45:11
benign as a really small subject, when he mentioned
45:15
how whenever a Tupac song came on that he made
45:17
him skip it. Oh, yeah. Yeah, during their escapades,
45:23
yeah, they would have music in the end. Yeah,
45:26
apparently they had music set the scene or mixtapes
45:31
or something. It's like, but if a Tupac track
45:33
came on, yeah, apparently Diddy was like, nah,
45:35
you got to skip that. We ain't going to listen
45:36
to that. That was funny. That was telling as
45:40
well. They mentioned Diddy, you know the puff
45:44
didn't drink or do drugs until about early 96
45:48
where he cut his wrist So he started to take
45:50
a Percocet They talked about him going on 14
45:54
day work binges with cocaine. Yeah Again, the
45:59
gigolo Howard said they had baby oil laced with
46:04
drugs Yeah, which is, which is, which is by the
46:10
way, which is an allegation that both Diddy and
46:13
Cassie denied, but even still, like it makes,
46:19
it makes a lot of sense because throughout episodes
46:24
three and four, the allegations are repeated
46:26
that it's like, if you were in the room with
46:29
them consuming anything, you were on whatever
46:32
they were on. You were drugged. Yes. Everybody,
46:35
everybody had some of that in their system. They
46:38
didn't you know, maybe he thought it was I don't
46:40
know there was so much baby or who knows And
46:44
again they get in again talking about these sessions
46:47
these escapades lasting, you know, three to four
46:49
days and You know, did you go you know talking
46:53
about Howard was talking about again giving a
46:56
little You know track inside track about the
47:01
Cassie stuff we saw the video now we see yeah
47:04
the violence, right? He said, you know Forcing
47:08
her to do it They would argue she would run they'd
47:11
have to go get her and puff will get violent
47:14
You know witnessing her Puff, you know punching
47:18
her Cassie in the chest kicking her you brought
47:22
up the jealousy all this stuff, you know was
47:26
going down and And again, we are taking the word
47:30
of a as you said sex worker gigolo. Yeah Yeah,
47:34
yeah, yeah, gigolo. And, and he, I mean, he,
47:40
he seemed to do it kind of, you know, unapologetically,
47:44
you know, other, other than the things that he
47:47
witnessed, he was just like, look, man, like
47:49
somebody was going to pay him to do that. They
47:52
were paying him lots of money to do it consistently
47:54
over years. You know, I'm not going to say it
47:58
looked like he enjoys that kind of work, but
48:00
clearly it wasn't going to stop him from doing
48:02
it. And he alleged some things that he witnessed,
48:08
some of the violence, some of the threats. And
48:12
that's just, I don't know, maybe that's just
48:15
part of the business, part of the industry of
48:17
being a sex worker. He was willing to live with
48:19
it at that time. And then obviously, the time
48:22
just kind of ran out. It just kind of ran its
48:25
course, I guess. Yeah, I mean, I got thoughts
48:29
on that, even though he is what he is. He is
48:32
a sex worker, a gigolo. At some point, man, you
48:35
gotta be a man. I don't care how much they payin'
48:38
you. If you're seeing a female get beat, I don't
48:41
know that, you know, I don't know how you stand
48:43
and watch that and keep doin' it. But, again,
48:48
that's just kinda my thoughts on it. They kinda
48:53
cut to a few things to the recent Before His
48:57
Arrest puff. security Roger Bonds talking about
49:00
that puff you know he was going back to the streets
49:02
because you know the world had turned their back
49:05
on him due to the allegations so he was trying
49:07
to get back out in the streets even though we
49:10
always know puff acted like he was from the streets
49:12
and you know again he is a music producer he
49:16
is in bad boy and all this stuff so they kind
49:19
of hit on that a little bit they obviously notice
49:22
you know puff only cared about himself and of
49:25
course they noticed how he treated others including
49:28
Cassie, and this is where we get cut to the full
49:32
video that most have seen, again, of Diddy assaulting
49:36
Cassie in the hall at the elevator, dragging
49:40
her by her hair or hood, kicking her multiple
49:42
times while she was down, and then we get into
49:46
the charges of Cassie filing the rape charges.
49:51
We get... Joe Dickerson, Neil, she comes forward
49:54
from the 91 incident where she said Puff had
49:57
drugged and raped her and showed the video to
49:59
people. Donald Richard files assault charges.
50:02
Dozens at this point lawsuits filed. It gets
50:06
up to like we talked about, 77 pending, 100 civil
50:10
cases total were filed. His LA Miami home are
50:14
rated. The rundown is again, he's serving right
50:20
now. He ended up serving 50 months. They get
50:22
into that again. It's not a spoiler. It is a
50:26
spoiler, but yeah, he, you know, he's serving.
50:29
Um, I just got a, like a real wrap up, unless
50:32
you want to hit on that real quick. No, no, no,
50:35
no, no, you correct. So all these charges came
50:37
out. And then of course we got this again, more
50:41
recent video before the arrest from the videographer.
50:45
And he, to me, you know, he looks like a broken
50:49
man. You know as most of us we kind of get out
50:53
of shape as we get older But it looked like you
50:56
know you see like medicine bottles on his nightstand
50:59
Again, he's on the phone. He's he's trying to
51:02
do everything he can obviously to get him off
51:05
these charges and help him with These allegations
51:08
that are coming out looks like he's not got sleep
51:11
again. He just sometimes gazing out the window
51:14
Obviously he goes out to the streets and like
51:17
you said he's still taking pictures with people
51:19
and maybe that's like a to make him feel good
51:21
that he still can do that and again all these
51:27
people coming forward all these allegations it's
51:31
you know these former employees former artists
51:34
a gigolo take their word for what it is right
51:38
they either got fired or kicked out of bad boy
51:41
but but it's kind of again it's a theme it's
51:45
a trend of these artists or these employees who
51:49
was like, yeah, they either owes me money, he
51:52
used me, he did this, or I saw this, I heard
51:56
this. But I really took it out of those recent
52:00
videos that just, he looked like a broken man.
52:03
I don't know if you saw the same thing. Yeah,
52:06
he looked like, I believe the term now is self
52:14
-medicating. He looked like someone who who was
52:20
taking things and doing things that were so opposite
52:25
for what we've always kind of seen from him.
52:29
And I know like you mentioned, you could tell
52:31
like, damn, he put on some weight during this
52:34
time. And it's like, the stress would do that
52:37
and he looked more broke. But I mean, you can
52:42
have, I mean, I don't know what it's like. to
52:46
have those types of allegations pending towards
52:49
you, to feel like you've got people, whether
52:52
you deserve it or not, people coming after you.
52:56
And it seemed like, and I don't know if you caught
53:03
this part either, I didn't see when everything
53:10
kind of came to a head and they're kind of showing
53:12
that footage. of him days before he's eventually
53:16
arrested. Don't remember him reaching out to
53:20
anyone of a celebrity status. I didn't see him
53:26
reaching out to any of his peers. He knows a
53:28
lot of powerful people, man. He knows a lot of
53:31
people with a lot of influence. And the people
53:35
that he were calling to vouch for him were people
53:38
that he had already taken advantage of and it
53:42
stripped down. and have some sort of disdain
53:45
toward him. And those were the people that were
53:47
left on his list to call to try to help him out
53:50
of a jam. It was, yeah, it really, it really,
53:56
that part really stood out to me. It's like,
53:58
you don't have not one celebrity you can call,
54:00
man. Look, I, yeah, I think in the next episode,
54:06
we're going to get into I got a take on that.
54:11
But I got thoughts on that as well, though. I
54:14
can still get into it without naming what goes
54:16
on the next episode. But, you know, I thought
54:19
about that. You know, I thought about, in general,
54:23
celebrities speaking out on his behalf. Like,
54:28
you don't hear anybody. And again, you forget
54:31
how time flies. Like, the last time, one, he
54:34
had a hit. One, you know, he was really in the
54:37
limelight. and it hits on that later. But yeah,
54:41
I noticed the same thing. It was, where's all
54:45
his celebrities? Now, again, they kept showing
54:47
videos of him on Ellen. Well, she didn't do herself
54:50
any favors on her show. So, you know. That's
54:52
true too. You know what I mean? Wait, wait. Ellen
54:55
would be a horrible ally to have because I mean,
55:01
Ellen might, I mean, for all we know, Ellen might
55:03
be the white lesbian diddy. Yeah, exactly. She,
55:08
you know. the allegations of how she treated
55:11
her employees on her show, and that's a whole
55:15
flip -flop of the image she gave us, and we're
55:17
not gonna go into her, but again, that's what
55:19
I thought about. I was like, man, the only video,
55:21
they got her, you know, like Diddy being nice
55:23
with Ellen, and I'm like, ooh, that's not gonna
55:26
help her any, and you know, it's the same image
55:29
that we get, and we get this again, like we talk
55:31
about, celebrities, they give you an image, that's
55:34
what you see, but you don't know. behind the
55:37
scenes, behind closed doors, what people are
55:40
doing. And when it comes to light, it's not always
55:43
great. But yeah, you would think that somebody,
55:48
especially in the hip hop world, would have his
55:51
back. But again, that theme of using people and,
55:57
you know, taking their talent and then, you know,
56:02
prospering off of it and then moving on to the
56:03
next one. I think it come back to bite him and
56:06
you're talking about him being stressed and we
56:08
said You know, he would be stressed with all
56:10
these charges allegations But dude has faced
56:13
other charges before Yes, so it's crazy to think
56:16
that this was got what got him Stressed. Yeah,
56:20
right. He wasn't as confident now as he was back
56:24
even with the Tupac the biggie Like I said, the
56:29
club incident, the other assault charges, everything
56:32
that has happened even to this point, that this,
56:37
now again, 100 cases will do that to you probably.
56:41
And there were some serious charges. But again,
56:44
still, he's faced charges before. He's faced
56:46
these things before. But as I mentioned too,
56:50
he is famous, but not as... in the music industry,
56:57
like I said, he doesn't have a hit lately. So
56:59
it's not like bad boy is booming right now. So
57:03
it's not, you know, it's a little bit different
57:05
because his days have half passed him. He has
57:08
aged. It's not the same. Yeah, no, no, it's not.
57:14
And I mean, yeah, and maybe, I mean, his name
57:18
just doesn't carry the weight. You said it like
57:20
it's been a while since he's had a hit, you know,
57:23
and maybe he's burned some bridges. And I mean,
57:26
he's toxic at this moment. So a lot of that stuff
57:30
just kind of makes sense. It all kind of ties
57:32
together. But no, I mean, all of that kind of
57:35
leads into the ending of the documentary. And
57:38
like you say, yeah, we can touch on that in episode
57:41
four. Yes. So that's episode three for the Diddy
57:49
Dock. And let's see here, yeah. So that's another
57:53
episode of Fanatically Speaking. I am Kent, the
57:56
co -host and promoter. I am Log Off, the Log
57:58
Off legend, the hater of social media, the co
58:01
-host and producer of the show. Thanks again.
58:03
So that was episode three of Sean Combs, The
58:07
Reckoning. Yeah, we'll go ahead and do an episode
58:11
four and just kind of go ahead and close it out.
58:15
It's grown on me a little bit just as a watching
58:18
experience. So I hope you guys had a chance to
58:20
kind of watch it too and just kind of listen
58:22
to our perspectives on it. Again, this was our
58:24
era, man. We lived through this, you know, from
58:26
beginning to end. And, you know, we know this
58:28
quite well. You know, a lot of things that we
58:31
forgot and a lot of things that we had to kind
58:33
of help, you know, the documentary helped us
58:34
connect the dots on, but it's definitely something
58:37
that we wanted to take some time to cover. Follow
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it. Yep. That's it, man. That's a wrap. That's
58:59
all I got.