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#106 - Kelly Meyer - Project Find Your Fire · The Chris and Mike Show

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  So there boys and girls, this is the Chris and Mike show.
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  I'm Chris. He's Mike.
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  And this is Kelly. The mayor, right?
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  They said the right mayor Meyer. Meyer, Damn it, it's Kelly
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  Meyer. Nice to meet you, Kelly.
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  Kelly Meyer from Find Your Fire, we're going to have an
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  outstanding conversation because he's a really cool dude and
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  we're just going to dive right into it.
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  Kelly, give us a little background of who you are, what
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  you do, and what you're all about, man.
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  Well, there's a lot of long stories that go to that.
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  That is that I come from an academia background.
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  My wife and I run Project Find Your Fire, a business based on
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  personal growth development. We have we are both certified
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  board certified coaches, a number of other areas.
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  We do one-on-one coaching group coaching, travel all over the
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  place doing workshops, keynote speaking, that kind of things.
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  Have been doing it for almost 30 years not.
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  Quite that, yeah, that's a preference.
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  Yeah. We, we were talking before you
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  jumped on Mike that, that he's like ahead of the curve because
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  that's kind of just been more, more of a relevant thing to do
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  in the last decade or so. You were.
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  Way ahead of your time. Yeah, right on, dude.
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  So you want to, what do you want to talk about?
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  You want to talk about your, your, your like high school,
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  post high school adventure 'cause we're all about life
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  resumes here and where you've, where you've come and where
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  you've, where you've come from and where you're heading, things
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  like that. Because that's what we find the
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  most interesting, where you talk to people.
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  Well, I would kind of like to start with what do you what does
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  that project do? There you go.
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  You know. So what we do is we help people,
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  you know, ignite their own spark, you know, light their own
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  fire. Find what excites you in life,
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  man. If you can find what you're
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  passionate about, what excites you in life, you are so far
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  ahead. The problem is that most people
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  end up in this vicious cycle of redundancy.
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  Wake up, you'll live the same life every you go to bed and
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  it's just you relive the same emotions over and over and over
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  again and you never get really excited about life.
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  And so one of the things, Speaking of which, one of the
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  things we take our clients through is sort of the icky guy
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  principle. And I don't know if you've heard
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  of icky guy. Icky guy is icky.
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  Guy yeah, I haven't heard. It's a Japanese concept and it
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  means the reason for living. OK, now they're they're icky guy
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  principle and it's whole is a little bit more complex where
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  you start to discover all of these different areas of your
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  life and then when it comes into the center, that's your reason
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  for living. So I've discovered a quick and
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  easy version of that that helps our clients, you know, find what
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  light life on fire. So imagine, you know, a couple
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  of different quadrants. This this square grid in one of
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  those quadrants are the things that you're good at and you love
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  doing, which is your passions, right?
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  Makes sense? The next quadrant over is the
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  things that you're good at but you don't love doing, which is
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  typically our jobs. Sure.
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  Unfortunately for most people, yeah.
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  Right. The next quadrant is the things
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  that you're not good at that you love doing.
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  Like, there are a lot of people who like, for an example,
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  golfing. I enjoy going out to golf, but
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  I'm going to lose more balls than I start, Right?
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  Sure. And the 4th quadrant then is the
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  things that we don't love doing and the things we aren't
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  necessarily good at, which is our chores, you know, laundry
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  doing, paying the bills. I'm not great at that stuff.
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  I just do it because it has to be done.
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  Right, it's a part of life. Problem is that most people
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  spend most of their time in quadrants where their jobs are
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  and where the floors are. So it think left and right.
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  So it'd be like the right side of this block.
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  Sure. Those are the things we have to
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  do, OK. The left side of the block are
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  the things that we are passionate about, the things
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  that we are good at and we love doing.
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  Those are the things that light us up, make us excited, and we
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  all have those things in our life, right?
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  Right. All these different areas, when
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  we're doing them in our life, whether it be fishing or hunting
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  or on the motorcycle or whatever it be that we just feel alive.
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  The problem is that more people are spending time on the other
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  side of the quadrant than on the things that really light them
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  up. Now, the most successful people
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  in life spend more time in their passions than they do with their
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  jobs and their chores. These people are successful
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  because they're spending more time with their passions instead
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  of spending more time with their passions because they're
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  successful, in other words. They're not looking at it as
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  work, right? Right, right.
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  So if whatever it is that lights you up in your life, let's say
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  going for a motorcycle ride or a more successful would spend more
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  time on a motorcycle ride than they would in their jobs and
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  their chores. Kind of like Neil Pert, because
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  Neil Pert used to follow the Rush rush the Rush tour bus
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  around on his motorcycles. Right, right.
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  Exactly like. As soon as the show is over,
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  man, he's out. He's gone, he's on his bike and
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  he's he's tuned to the next show.
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  Yep, because that's what fires you up.
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  And if you can spend more time in your life fired up and
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  excited about life, when you get to your chores, when you get to
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  your job, you're still fired up about life.
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  You just carry it over. And my wife always analogy like
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  I'm down here working with clients most all day long.
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  I just got off 1 and when I'm done, guys, I'm going to jump on
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  another one. Yeah, that's what fires me up.
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  I love this stuff. I love.
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  And it's obvious. You can see that in people you
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  know. You can hear it in your voice,
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  you can see it in your eyes. For those of you that are
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  watching, when no one really believes in what they're talking
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  about, it conveys to the listener as well, right?
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  I can feel it. The listener can feel it, right?
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  Now, if everybody was going in that direction, imagine what
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  difference, what a different world it would be, right?
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  Just in our mindset and what we thought was important.
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  I agree with you in spades. I think Chris was a good
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  example. I mean, he says I'm a real
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  estate agent for my job, but it's painfully obvious he loves
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  doing. Oh, absolutely.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah, I get. Not everybody has that.
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  No. In their life, right?
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  They're like, oh fuck, I got to go to work again, right?
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  Here we go again another day. I'm going to make my coffee.
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  I'm going to drudge through this day, get to 4:00, and then I get
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  to do what I want for two hours, right?
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  Or three. Hours.
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  Right, that's most people's day. And that's unfortunate.
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  True. And see what?
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  See, this is one of the things that Mike and I were poking at.
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  MM was talking about doing this podcast.
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  So we went back and forth. I don't know for how long,
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  right? Not too long because it's when
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  he asked. I'm like, hell yeah.
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  It was a few months. Yeah.
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  But so this is something that he and I both look forward to now
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  because we've done it. This is I think 100.
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  It's like 105 or 105, something like that, yeah.
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  So, but it's, it's legit like we just started doing it where it
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  was just once a week and then we like evolved because the
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  schedule changed like, well, hell, let's just do 2 a week.
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  And then like today, because, because the, the, the desire to
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  be on people shows I, we have three people today.
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  So we're recording 3 episodes, which we've never done before.
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  So it's, it's kind of fun because we're going to learn.
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  We're going to learn from three different people from different,
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  all different walks of life. And that's the beautiful thing
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  about this, like. So here's how I look it not to
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  interrupt. You.
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  No, you're foot. You're good.
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  This is a great segue into this day for me.
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  Used to be not non productive, but it was just different,
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  right? So now today, instead of
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  watching documentaries or playing my guitar, you know, I
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  still did productive things. I get to talk to somebody that
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  I've known since 1993 for whatever, you know, a lifelong
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  friend. And like he said, I'm learning
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  from you now. I would have never known what
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  you did, that you had this organization.
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  I'd like to hear that there's positive human beings doing
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  positive things still, right? Because all we hear is negative,
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  negative, negative all day long. It's just pushed on us through
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  the media for whatever stupid reason.
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  But I want to be the antithesis of that in that it's not always
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  going to be a positive message, but we're going to find a way to
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  get there eventually, right? Yes, Yep.
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  Absolutely. It's oh, go ahead, Mike, sorry.
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  No, you're fine. I just, no, that's what I hear
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  out of your organization is, you know, you're teaching people to
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  think. Like I finally learned to think.
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  Chris learned to think that way before I did.
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  But we all got there in a different vehicle.
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  But it it's great that you have a way for people that don't have
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  that Ave. to travel. OK, here I can change my life,
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  right? I can think in a positive
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  direction too. I think that's awesome, man.
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  So what's, what's the name of? OK.
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  So how do people find your company that's centered around
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  what we're talking about the? Easiest way is to just go to the
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  website it's project, find yourfire.com and from there you
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  will have links to all of our social media of my personal
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  Facebook and our business Facebook and all the Youtubes
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  and different. Links.
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  So do we have a chat? Going with him, Chris.
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  I we don't have a chat going with, I mean, no, I mean him and
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  I on Facebook. Yeah, we have a conversation
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  going. OK, if you can send Chris the
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  links, I'll post them when we post them.
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  Absolutely, absolutely. So I want I want to stay on on
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  this part of your life before we before we transition to the
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  stuff other stuff we talked about South project finds your
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  fire is it is it's it's obviously a coaching platform,
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  right? And then you do stuff.
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  If somebody's within your, your where do you live?
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  Wisconsin. Wisconsin.
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  Are you just north of me? I'm down here in Illinois.
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  Yeah, so we got Illinois, Wisconsin in the the dry, boring
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  desert of Arizona. That's cool.
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  You got to love. You got to love technology with
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  that. Are you a Packers fan then?
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  Oh God no. I like this guy even more.
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  It was just God. No man, I like him even more.
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  Did I see tell you I'm not a Bears fan either?
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  I grew up in Nebraska. Oh, so you're Nebraska
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  Cornhuskers? All we have is the Huskers like
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  die hard. I will kill for my husband.
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  Oh yeah. But just just just so you know,
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  I'm not a Cardinals fan. I'm a Giants fan.
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  And there's a whole reason for that.
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  But so I'm, I'm not a Cardinals fan.
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  My my team is all the way on the East Coast, you know, which
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  poses a challenge, but what is what is so?
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  Who do you root root for as a pro pro team?
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  So my adopted pro team, ever since I was a little little tyke
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  was the Vikings. It always that's my team and
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  it's been hard. Rd.
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  Well, you know, you and you and me alike, Giants, you know, I
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  mean, you haven't won any championships in a while, but at
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  least at least you put better product on the field than the
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  Giants have or the Bears have in the last couple years.
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  The Bears kind of had a little bit of fun last year and then
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  they I'm with. You, you're right there with
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  you. I agree with that statement.
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  Yeah, OK, so project find yourfire.com is where you can
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  find your business side of life. So if anybody's in Wisconsin and
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  they want they want to find their fire, they can do face to
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  face or is 1 on ones. So my clients who are local,
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  they do have the option of meeting face to face here in
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  office, OK, a majority of my clients because they are across
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  the world. Weakness.
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  And and it works out really well that way.
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  Yeah, so with your with when you do your one on ones with people
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  like say, I decided after this episode, holy shit, Kelly's
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  amazing. I want to find my fire.
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  I don't have fire. I'm you know what?
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  What does that look like? Give us an idea what that looks
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  like. So people listening and watching
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  us on YouTube right now can get a feel for that and then, you
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  know, see if it works in their in their life.
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  Sure. So what I would do is guide you
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  to the web page in the coaching section and there is a place to,
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  you know, ask about more coaching and so you can fill out
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  a very short questionnaire which would give me just an idea of
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  who I'm talking to. Sure.
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  What's bothering you? What do you want?
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  What do you look for? And then we would we would hook
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  up with a a one hour consultation call.
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  OK, no charge. Absolutely.
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  We just talk for an hour. I love that.
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  Me too. You tell me about you and then
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  we have to decide, you know, if we're a match.
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  If if I'm not a match for you. That's fair.
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  I get that. Yeah.
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  Not. Every, every.
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  Yeah, this is a very personal thing, right?
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  Absolutely. But, and, and I've done and I've
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  done coaching throughout my real estate career and that's the
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  first time I've ever heard somebody say we're going to have
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  a conversation for an hour just to see if we're a fit.
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  I used to do that with my guitar students.
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  Oh, yeah. Your first lesson was always
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  free for the same reason that Kelly just brought up, because
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  you may not feel comfortable with me for whatever reason, You
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  know, like our energies may not click.
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  That's interesting, I like that approach.
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  Not a great approach, right? It's not because you're not a
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  good teacher. It's not because you're not a
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  good student. It's just because the energies
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  just don't. Yeah, align.
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  And that's fair. Yeah, my mom told me 100 years
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  ago, not everybody's going to get along.
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  And what fun would it be if they did right, Right?
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  And I didn't. Understand that for a long time,
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  but it makes sense to me now. And I kind of have that approach
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  with real estate and doing it for 25 years.
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  There's been people I've worked with that we just personalities
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  don't work, you know, so for lack of better term, we fire
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  each other because it just doesn't, it just doesn't work
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  right. So it's not as, it's not, I
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  don't like you as a human. We just, you're not listening to
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  me. You're not following my
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  guidance. So therefore you're wasting my
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  time and I'm wasting your time. You need to find somebody else
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  that you can relate to better. It hasn't happened that often,
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  you know, maybe 5 * 5 six times in, in my entire career.
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  But it does happen and it's OK. It's OK to say no.
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  It's OK to say we don't work together.
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  So I, I love that approach. Kelly, kudos to you for that.
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  Thank you. Thank you.
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  After that conversation, what would happen is that if we
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  decide that this is going to work and let's take a shot at
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  it, there are a couple different programs that you can go for
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  like a six session or a twelve session.
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  And then we'll just get set up and we go and we'll try to meet
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  every other week or so. Sometimes people like to, you
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  know, jump head on and I want to do 3 sessions this week because
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  I like, no, you don't. Because when I work with you,
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  different than talk therapy is that I don't want to hear about
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  your past. We're not talking about your
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  past. We need to know it too.
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  Yeah, we need to understand where you came from.
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  But it's all from this point forward.
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  Think of this point forward. That's.
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  Love that dude. I love that.
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  And so that's the work and I will give you work, you will
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  homework. This isn't going to be tell me
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  about your problems. Tell me about your childhood.
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  OK, I'll see you in a couple weeks.
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  No, I'm going to put you to work.
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  I see. Yeah, I like the homework aspect
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  because of the coach I had recently that I'm no longer
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  with. There is no like we would have a
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  conversation, right? We would talk about, OK, here's
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  here's a checklist, here's these three things you need to do.
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  So I would do those three things was really good at doing
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  everything, anything and everything he asked, right.
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  But then the following week phone call, there was no follow
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  up to those tasks. There was no, there was no
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  accountability, which I always thought, well, you know, like
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  just because I said I did it, you're not verifying I did it.
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  I mean, you can see some of the stuff on social media, but there
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  was no real accountability to it.
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  And then stepping back and looking at it, the whole reason
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  I hired this guy is because I wanted to go from 10 million in
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  production to 20 million production a year, which has
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  always been my hurdle getting, you know, closing that gap,
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  which after three years, I'm like, OK, didn't do it, you
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  know, breaking ties. I'm like, you know, and now that
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  I look back at it, I learned a lot.
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  I did gain business from the coaching and my, some of my
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  approaches have changed. Like I've consistently dropped
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  reels on YouTube for 210 days, which is unheard of.
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  Like there's. You know.
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  There's people have a problem dropping one reel right when
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  Mike and I started this show, when Mike and I started this
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  show. For those of you who are just
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  listening, I just threw myself under the bus.
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  Chris has done amazing, if not only his business side of it,
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  but the podcast side of it too. Our podcast page has grown leaps
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  and bounds since March just because of this consistency.
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  Sorry to interrupt. You no, but that's but I was
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  going to prove this. Point for sure.
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  Right. But I was going there because
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  when I, Nick and I were talking about this the other day.
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  So I've been in real estate, like I said, 25 years.
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  So I've had a web, a YouTube page probably since 2004 or
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  five. So to put in comparison, I just
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  really started like hyper focused on the Chris and Mike
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  show page probably in November, December, right, even though we
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  were you. Really turned it up in March.
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  Though, right. So just from that alone we're,
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  we're I think we're almost near or just past 80,000 views now to
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  put it in comparison. Yeah, 82 now, I believe closing
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  on 83. Yeah, we're it'll be 100 soon.
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  So comparison my personal real estate Chris Dunham YouTube
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  page. I'm only, I'm just under 500,000
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  and I've been around for 20 years.
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  So the difference in how you approach things now, nobody back
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  then knew what the hell YouTube was about.
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  Nobody understood SEO content, nobody understood hashtags and
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  keywords and none of that. So taking everything I know now
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  and applying it towards the Chris and Mike show page, it's
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  mind boggling the success and the and the trajectory it's
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  going and it's all organic, like all of it.
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  Yeah, we're not paying big money for advertising.
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  This is just him doing this on his own, you know, using his
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  brain and saying, OK, I'm just going to be consistent and I'm
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  going to do it at the same time every day and blah, blah, blah.
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  But consistency is the keyword that we both keep using.
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  So all that being said, when you're doing your stuff, I'm
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  assuming you have a YouTube page and, and, and all that kind of
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  jazz. OK.
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  So we one of the things we do, we like to go like each other's
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  stuff and subscribe because then it helps everybody grow
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  organically. So on your YouTube channel,
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  because we're not looking at it right now, do you have, do you
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  have training videos? Do you have kind of give us an
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  idea what that's about? And then I'm going to change our
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  subject in about 10 minutes. OK, first I want to go back to
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  what you said before is that one other thing that I give to my
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  clients that very few people do is that I, I hook them up with
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  an app every Monday. I check in with every one of my
• 19:29
  clients. I'll send message.
• 19:31
  Now, I don't schedule clients on Monday is my office day, my
• 19:35
  administrative day, but I take, I check in with every one of my
• 19:38
  clients on Monday. Here's your homework.
• 19:41
  How's your homework going? Do you have any questions?
• 19:44
  Give me the highs, give me the lows.
• 19:45
  What's going on in your life right now?
• 19:47
  Check in with me. Let me know what's happening
• 19:50
  every single Monday. Does everybody respond to me?
• 19:53
  No, but they have 24/7 access to me.
• 19:57
  That doesn't mean that I'm going to answer your question at 3:00
• 20:00
  in the morning, right? Right, right, right, right,
• 20:02
  right. But at the same time, I'm not
• 20:04
  leaving you hanging. I need you to know that I'm
• 20:06
  jumping off this bridge with you.
• 20:08
  Yeah. And so.
• 20:09
  That's awesome, man. We're going to get through that
• 20:11
  now. So, so there's, there's a whole,
• 20:14
  there's a total level of accountability on a weekly
• 20:16
  basis. Regardless, regardless if if
• 20:18
  I'm, if you're coaching me and I'm not responding you still, I
• 20:22
  still see that you're you're poking at me.
• 20:24
  I feel that you're saying. He's in the back of your mind.
• 20:26
  Yes, I dude. Absolutely, and it's not that
• 20:32
  hard. It's not that hard, but it's,
• 20:33
  it's a missed concept, man, because I've, I've done the
• 20:36
  Buffini Fairy, Joe Stump, just all kinds of coaching real
• 20:42
  estate platforms in 25 years. And I'm not bullshitting you,
• 20:45
  Kelly. You're the first one that has
• 20:47
  ever said up front, number one, it's an interview first and
• 20:50
  foremost. And then it's all about now
• 20:52
  moving forward. Your past is your past.
• 20:55
  Stop dwelling on that shit because so many people do and #3
• 20:58
  I'm going to hold you accountable.
• 20:59
  You're going to get work, you're going to get homework.
• 21:01
  You're going to be that's. I love that.
• 21:02
  Here's a quick example. So when I was given lessons, I
• 21:06
  would give you your lesson for the week and I would be very
• 21:09
  clear. If you come back next week and
• 21:12
  you haven't done the work, we're going to learn the same thing
• 21:14
  next week that we learned this week.
• 21:16
  That was upfront too, right? And you're going to pay me
• 21:18
  again? Yep.
• 21:19
  I'm not going to be mad. I'm not going to lose my temper.
• 21:22
  I'm not going to be disappointed in you on any level.
• 21:25
  But this has got to be clear. If you haven't done the work,
• 21:28
  we're going to do the same thing next week.
• 21:30
  Because I already know how to play, right?
• 21:32
  That's why I'm not disappointed. That's why I don't care.
• 21:34
  You're not hurting me. You're hurting you.
• 21:36
  Yeah, because you just lost another $20.
• 21:39
  Right. Yeah, yeah.
• 21:40
  You know, and going back to that is one thing that what you guys
• 21:44
  don't see on camera is that on that side of the camera I have
• 21:48
  an, my entire wall is whiteboard and I have little notes to
• 21:52
  myself. Spinning around.
• 21:53
  Spinning around, man. Let us see it.
• 21:56
  Is it possible? I guess, too.
• 21:57
  Is it possible to spin around? Let's see.
• 21:59
  Oh, there's the books. The wall.
• 22:00
  Oh, there you go. That's awesome.
• 22:02
  For those of you. Who are just listening.
• 22:04
  He's just that's proved his point.
• 22:06
  He's got notes and different colors all over the way.
• 22:09
  Right on. And what is what's what's the
• 22:13
  project find your fire? What's the statement behind you?
• 22:15
  Because that's been that's been poking at me this.
• 22:16
  Entire time. This is actually just a banner.
• 22:19
  OK, yeah, I figured. When I do public speaking or
• 22:22
  something. We want to know what the
• 22:24
  statement. We want to know what it says
• 22:25
  though. Be fearless in the pursuit of
• 22:27
  what sets your soul. Dude.
• 22:29
  I love that. That is awesome be.
• 22:30
  Fearless in the pursuit of what sets your soul on fire.
• 22:34
  Yep. And then a little bit of what we
• 22:35
  offer. Games, public speaking, books,
• 22:38
  workshops, coaching and personal development.
• 22:41
  And what kind of games do you play, man?
• 22:43
  And of course, what what musician wouldn't have an office
• 22:47
  without? That's see, now that's the
• 22:51
  perfect segue because this is Kelly Mayer, is it right?
• 22:54
  We got to talk, Mayor. Yeah, for sure.
• 22:56
  I. Don't know why I'm looking at
• 22:59
  that saying Mayor Meyer, Kelly Meyer project finds your fire.
• 23:02
  He's with us today and he's got some sleeve art going on.
• 23:05
  Not only he's a coach and a your father.
• 23:10
  A4. A father of four and a husband
• 23:13
  33 years, I think you said, which is fantastic, actually.
• 23:16
  Congratulations. So let's let's segue into the
• 23:19
  Rock'n'roll man. Yes.
• 23:22
  Let's go back into Wayback Machine.
• 23:24
  Yeah, Wayback. Machine.
• 23:26
  Wayback Machine, Yeah. So Kelly's in high school.
• 23:27
  He doesn't give a crap about school and learning.
• 23:30
  What year did you graduate? For Because he wants to be a
• 23:32
  rock star. 88 is when I. Graduated 8989. 91 There you go.
• 23:37
  So we're all within three years. We're all within three years.
• 23:41
  So where'd you go to high school?
• 23:43
  Just South of Lincoln, NE in Beatrice.
• 23:46
  OK, so terrible student could care less because you had
• 23:49
  aspiration to do something that those aspirations were.
• 23:53
  To be a rock. Star, there you go.
• 23:54
  And when did you? I had a backup plan, OK.
• 23:58
  Me too, I did too. My backup plan was it was
• 24:02
  Rockstar or I was going to be a stuntman or a rodeo clown.
• 24:06
  Nice, brilliant. Because all of those are that's
• 24:09
  like me. I went when I went to school for
• 24:11
  journalism. I'm like, I'm going to be a
• 24:13
  writer and I won, I won some internship and realizable.
• 24:15
  This sucks because you don't make any money for busting your
• 24:17
  ass for 20 hours writing an article.
• 24:19
  So that's so brilliant me. Let's go from journalism, which
• 24:22
  is hard to break into good. Let's go to acting because
• 24:24
  acting is a surefire way to make a living.
• 24:27
  So and then, you know, then that transitioned into musics like,
• 24:30
  OK, so pick the three most difficult things in the world to
• 24:33
  actually be successful at because why not, right?
• 24:36
  And so now I'm ending up selling houses for a living and, and,
• 24:39
  you know, changing people's lives.
• 24:40
  So there's no, there's no anger with that.
• 24:43
  What what, what, what instrument did you play?
• 24:45
  What was your role in the band? Guitar.
• 24:47
  OK, cool. Lead Rhythm.
• 24:49
  Lead. OK, right on.
• 24:50
  How many? How many members in the band?
• 24:52
  5. Five.
• 24:53
  OK, So what were the what were the breakdown?
• 24:56
  2 guitars, bass, drums. Singers, bass, drums.
• 24:59
  Cool. And what kind of music?
• 25:01
  Metal right on metal. Well, it was hair band.
• 25:06
  It was. Oh, man.
• 25:09
  So it was like one of those times when through the late
• 25:13
  80's, the greatest generation of music.
• 25:17
  Yeah. And then what happened was
• 25:21
  graduated in 88. The band, because of our age and
• 25:26
  whatever, just sort of late to the party.
• 25:29
  OK. Did not get into the grunge
• 25:31
  thing, could not do it. So we stayed metal thing, you
• 25:35
  know, denim and leather and you know.
• 25:38
  George Judas Priest All out. Judas Priest.
• 25:40
  Motörhead. Yeah.
• 25:42
  Saxon. Saxon for sure.
• 25:46
  They wrote the song Denim and Leather, right?
• 25:49
  And brought us all the time. I think that, you know, we were
• 25:54
  just wrong time, wrong place left what we were doing.
• 25:58
  But So what happened was I have to I have to go back earlier
• 26:05
  because this is a life story too.
• 26:07
  And this is changing point in my life and I didn't realize it at
• 26:12
  the time, but when I was about 14, I wasn't even in high school
• 26:16
  yet and I started spending time in a place that I probably
• 26:20
  shouldn't have been, especially considering that I was supposed
• 26:23
  to be in school during the day. But I loved playing pool, so
• 26:26
  that's where I ended up spending most of my days.
• 26:29
  I was in a state strip club, but you know, same line of thought.
• 26:32
  Yeah, same point. Hall for sure.
• 26:36
  So there one day I went to first period which was banned because
• 26:42
  I was a band geek you know. And right then I grabbed my pool
• 26:45
  cue from my locker headed down the street to the pool hall.
• 26:48
  When I walked into the door there was an old man getting off
• 26:51
  of his bar stool at the very end of the bar and he started
• 26:54
  walking towards the front door as I was walking towards back
• 26:57
  towards the tables. Never seen this guy before in my
• 26:59
  life and when he got to me he stopped dead in front of me and
• 27:03
  he said this to me. He said who are you?
• 27:07
  I said why? I'm Kelly.
• 27:09
  I was just a little punk. Right.
• 27:10
  Hey, come on, man. I'm Kelly.
• 27:12
  You don't know me. Come on, dude.
• 27:13
  What's up? Yeah.
• 27:15
  And he looked at me for a long time and then he said this to
• 27:17
  me. He said no you're not.
• 27:20
  And this you figure that out, the better off you'll be.
• 27:23
  And he walked out the door and I thought, now here I am just a
• 27:26
  pimply faced little junior high punk, right?
• 27:30
  What a weirdo. That's deep.
• 27:32
  That is deep. I just, I got chills when he
• 27:34
  said that. Man, that's powerful.
• 27:36
  I didn't even realize it at the time.
• 27:38
  Well, how could you? Shortly after my encounter with
• 27:42
  the old man, I started going through that weird teenage
• 27:45
  phase, like the discovery phase, who you are and stuff like that.
• 27:50
  It was actually that crazy old drunk man's words that came back
• 27:53
  to my mind. The sooner you figured out, the
• 27:55
  better off you'll be. And so I took a stand.
• 27:58
  This is who I'm going to be. This is what I'm going to
• 28:00
  represent and this is what fit into my life.
• 28:03
  Cool. Was it right?
• 28:05
  No. But at least I made a decision
• 28:07
  and I watched my friends all, you know, try to figure out who
• 28:11
  they were. It never fit the social norm.
• 28:14
  It was always the hair. It was always the earrings, the
• 28:17
  the nose piercings with the chains and the.
• 28:20
  Oh, you had those two like Snake.
• 28:21
  From from. Skid Row.
• 28:23
  Skid Row. Yeah, right on.
• 28:25
  Even before the ink, you know, I would draw all over my, I would
• 28:29
  create my own tattoo sitting in class because when I didn't want
• 28:32
  to do that, it is just like, I didn't even really care because
• 28:37
  this is who I'm going to be and this is what I represent.
• 28:40
  And so I think that fed into what I would ultimately become.
• 28:45
  And actually at the age that I am now, I'm going to be 56 in a
• 28:48
  couple of months. Congratulations.
• 28:50
  I still hear that old man's words.
• 28:53
  Well, you obviously because you brought it up.
• 28:55
  Yeah, it was so important to me at that time and, you know,
• 29:00
  throughout my life. But then playing in the band,
• 29:05
  not being in school and thing how it turned out was that after
• 29:11
  I graduated, I graduated I think by default, I think they just
• 29:17
  like just go away. It's.
• 29:19
  Too small of a town not to graduate, you be.
• 29:21
  Done, Yeah, go away. Started playing with the bed and
• 29:26
  was going really well and right away ended up opening for Head
• 29:32
  East on a couple of shows like Never.
• 29:35
  Been any reason? Yeah, like that.
• 29:37
  They're from Illinois. Very 300 people kind of shows,
• 29:41
  but at least it was headline or opening for a big name act
• 29:47
  started picking up some momentum and in the process I did find
• 29:53
  sort of an Ave. of escape is that there was a college that
• 29:57
  had an audio and recording degree.
• 30:00
  Oh nice learn. To be like an audio engineer,
• 30:03
  Sure. So I did start doing that.
• 30:06
  And why? I did that through the College
• 30:07
  of. Yeah, I was.
• 30:08
  I built my own studio twice, not three Times Now.
• 30:13
  Nice. While I was doing that, then we
• 30:17
  started. We got picked up by management
• 30:19
  and was, so we started opening up for more.
• 30:23
  Alice Cooper was one of them. Nice.
• 30:26
  Just sort of a local, regional, you know, we were the local band
• 30:31
  opening for in a local like sure wing alley bar room type of
• 30:36
  thing. And I remember Alice giving sort
• 30:40
  of this speech. He came into our dressing room
• 30:45
  is. This when was Alice still
• 30:47
  drinking? Or was he sober by now?
• 30:50
  He was sober, OK, but yeah. OK, OK, I got it.
• 30:57
  Alice. Yeah, yeah, Alice lives in
• 30:59
  Arizona. I actually, I've, I've done my,
• 31:01
  my, some of the past things I've done.
• 31:02
  I actually met his original guitar player, Michael Bruce.
• 31:05
  Oh yeah. Cool.
• 31:06
  And, and actually had, you know, probably four or five really
• 31:09
  deep conversations that we did. Anything with him, right?
• 31:13
  Yeah, yeah. So super nice guy, just, you
• 31:16
  know, so that's why I asked about the the Alice, where he
• 31:19
  was at when he came in. So go ahead with your story,
• 31:21
  your Alice Cooper story. What was the name of the band?
• 31:24
  You didn't say that. Highlander.
• 31:27
  Highlander. OK.
• 31:28
  Highlander. Oh oh.
• 31:31
  We didn't wear kills though. I love the series so I'm
• 31:35
  automatically a fan. OK, so this is Kelly.
• 31:37
  He's talking about his band Highlander and and when they
• 31:39
  were on tour with Alice Cooper, Alice Cooper coming into the
• 31:41
  dressing room or they open for Alice Cooper.
• 31:43
  Alice Cooper. Yeah.
• 31:43
  It was just like, what? Single show?
• 31:45
  And so he's like, yeah, you guys seem really nervous.
• 31:49
  Yeah, kinda. And.
• 31:50
  So he gave us like, it was like this dad pep talk, like, yeah,
• 31:56
  like the dad pep talk, like, it's going to be OK.
• 31:58
  And here's, you know, here's sort of what to focus on and
• 32:01
  it's going to be OK. And you guys are going to do
• 32:03
  great. And so it was just one of those.
• 32:05
  He was a really sort of nice guy.
• 32:07
  I didn't get to know him much more than that.
• 32:11
  But after that, as things progressed, we ended up doing a
• 32:18
  show in where were we in Omaha again, at some ballroom and
• 32:26
  there was an A&R Rep. There just happened to be a
• 32:30
  great show. The crowd was into it.
• 32:32
  Good. Don't.
• 32:34
  You love that when that happens. Oh yeah.
• 32:36
  Everything, everything's just on point and you just come off.
• 32:39
  Stage like, like the energy was just right.
• 32:42
  Yeah, that's the best how you'll ever have in your life.
• 32:44
  Absolutely. Yep.
• 32:47
  And then after the show he talked to us a little bit and
• 32:50
  said he would like to hear more and invited us to record some
• 32:56
  demo material and they would see what they could do with it and
• 33:00
  ended up with who. Was he in ANR for?
• 33:03
  A capital. A capital.
• 33:05
  And we ended up with a three album spot.
• 33:10
  We ended up doing two of those who and between the 2nd and the
• 33:15
  3rd, we had already had recorded a bunch of stuff, but nothing
• 33:20
  really grounded. And that's when the accident
• 33:23
  happened. We ended up rolling the bus down
• 33:26
  the Interstate. And so Metallica, yeah, kind of
• 33:31
  like Metallica, except, you know, everybody survived.
• 33:35
  Wow. Then we, I and one other person
• 33:39
  spent considerable time in the hospital sort of trying to think
• 33:44
  about life's choices. That time it was, you know, we
• 33:50
  had had a lot of fun. We had opened for, you know,
• 33:54
  poison and Skid Row and, you know, a few other guys.
• 33:58
  But we were like, I, when I tell this story, I always tell people
• 34:01
  don't get so excited because we were like the opening band to
• 34:06
  the opening band, like the local, regional, Oh yeah, we're
• 34:10
  familiar. Yeah, I've been there, done
• 34:11
  that. We I mean, we our our shows we
• 34:13
  played range from opening Tony McAlpine, Marshall Tucker Band,
• 34:17
  enough's enough Sacred Rike. I mean, it's just we had we were
• 34:21
  that type of music. I explained to people we were
• 34:23
  Creed before Creed was Creed because that's how I wrote
• 34:25
  lyrics. I didn't write songs about
• 34:26
  getting laid and and you know, drinking and shit.
• 34:28
  It was real life stuff. Mike had his own style.
• 34:32
  He you couldn't compare Mike to anybody.
• 34:34
  Mike created Mike sound but the crazy.
• 34:38
  Thing about us, man, is we could get booked from every he just
• 34:41
  the list he named you. When you tell people that
• 34:43
  they're like, Oh yeah, now I know you're lying.
• 34:46
  We opened up for the Marshall Tucker Band right in front of
• 34:48
  them and we opened up for Sacred right right in front of them.
• 34:53
  You couldn't get a more further musical genres apart, right?
• 34:58
  Right. But sometimes he's right.
• 35:00
  We slid into that because we weren't so heavy that we
• 35:03
  offended people that didn't like that kind of music.
• 35:06
  But we weren't bubble gum rock either.
• 35:09
  You. Know yeah, we weren't I called
• 35:11
  it we weren't what did I call it Tucson or Tempe candy ass pop
• 35:15
  rock. We weren't we were in that same
• 35:17
  window of the gym blossoms and and the refreshments and and the
• 35:21
  dead hot workshop that local Tempe Tempe Jingle jangle.
• 35:24
  But we we weren't the Tempe Jingle jangle sound.
• 35:26
  We actually had substance behind our music and we could play with
• 35:30
  anyone like we just kind of talked about it didn't matter
• 35:32
  like we our our songs could stand alone.
• 35:35
  Even the one that starts the show Freeman lyrically that's
• 35:38
  still relevant today. That's awesome.
• 35:40
  It's insane. Like a lot of our stuff that we
• 35:43
  wrote initially is could still be relevant and being played
• 35:46
  today because of I don't want to say I was ahead of my time, but
• 35:50
  some of the social things I talk about they didn't exist back
• 35:53
  then and but they're still relevant and and more
• 35:57
  significant in today's world than it was back then or back
• 36:00
  then. I was just writing to write.
• 36:02
  I always tell him, man, the thing that attracted me to his
• 36:04
  lyrics were that you, anybody can take them and interpret them
• 36:08
  how you want, right? A lot of people might interpret
• 36:10
  them the same way, but then you put 10 people in a room, there's
• 36:14
  going to be two people that interpret it 180° from everybody
• 36:18
  else, and you're like, Oh yeah, now I see that angle too, right?
• 36:21
  Yep, Yep. That's absolutely true.
• 36:25
  And as a music professor, I used to teach musicology.
• 36:28
  And John Cage, there was a composer in the 50s named John
• 36:32
  Cage. He was an experimentalist and
• 36:34
  one of his quotes, and I love the quote as he says that people
• 36:39
  can go to a concert and leave just as stupid as when they went
• 36:44
  in. That's great.
• 36:49
  So yeah, the the varying in styles it you know, I talked
• 36:54
  about the metal band and the hair stuff, but on the side I
• 36:58
  actually had a gig for playing with Johnny Cash and Marie
• 37:02
  Osmond as a contract musician. Cool part of their band band
• 37:07
  that would always hire these contract musicians.
• 37:09
  So I did a couple of shows with each of them.
• 37:12
  Very my style but it worked out so.
• 37:17
  That's awesome though. But that's.
• 37:18
  That's very cool. Definitely 2 American icons for
• 37:20
  sure. Oh yeah, yeah.
• 37:22
  So you said that between the 2nd and the third album you had this
• 37:26
  accident, right? So did the third album ever come
• 37:30
  out? What they did is they ended up
• 37:33
  putting bits and pieces of stuff we had already courted recorded
• 37:37
  into the third album so that we could satisfy the contract OK,
• 37:43
  but it really was trash. So was the band done before that
• 37:49
  album came out? Because that's what happens a
• 37:51
  lot. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:53
  So what happened was I made the decision while I was still into
• 37:56
  the hot in the hospital to just, oh, she got hurt.
• 38:01
  Yeah, yeah. So I googled Highlander the
• 38:04
  band. Dude, there's a there's a a
• 38:09
  Highlander Celtic rock band. Celtic music.
• 38:13
  That's not us. There's the Highlanders, then
• 38:16
  there's Highlander Music, and there's HP Highlander Band.
• 38:18
  There's Highlander. Are these albums still
• 38:20
  available? That's why I was doing this.
• 38:22
  I mean, I'm sure they're out of print, but they would belong to
• 38:25
  Capitol Records still. You know, I don't know.
• 38:30
  What so type in Highlander Capitol records?
• 38:32
  Crazy you got to get specific with the.
• 38:35
  Yeah, 'cause I was thinking maybe still on on podcast or not
• 38:38
  podcast on Spotify or you know, Apple Music.
• 38:42
  If they have no idea. Yeah, there would have to be
• 38:45
  some representative. That's why we're not on there,
• 38:47
  because you or I would be a representative of that music.
• 38:53
  Yeah, it just, it just comes up Highlander Capital Management,
• 38:55
  LLC. Yeah, he falls into the same
• 39:00
  category as us when people say hey how can I find your stuff
• 39:03
  while we were pre Internet, right?
• 39:05
  Yeah, right. Yeah.
• 39:06
  Our band and our music lives were definitely Chris used to
• 39:09
  record us on what was it, a middle camcorder.
• 39:12
  Yeah, like a JVC handheld camcorder.
• 39:15
  And that was the highest technology you could have at the
• 39:18
  time. Man, we were all like, holy
• 39:19
  shit, you got a camcorder? Yeah, layaway.
• 39:22
  Layaway from Service Merchandise.
• 39:25
  Beautiful thing, man. Like a little Fostex 4 track.
• 39:29
  That's what I had. I was.
• 39:30
  Like yeah. And then I went to an 8 track
• 39:33
  quarter inch reel to reel. It was a Tascam that was high
• 39:37
  tech man. I had a 12 channel board in that
• 39:40
  eight track. Chris did a spoken word on
• 39:43
  there. And then we actually recorded
• 39:45
  the song you're listening to in the beginning.
• 39:47
  That was recorded partly in my apartment and partly it.
• 39:52
  Was in the bathroom. Yeah.
• 39:55
  You know, but you know, the the one benefit of singing in a
• 39:58
  bathroom is you have a mirror. So you can, if you, if you know
• 40:02
  what you're doing as a singer, you can actually, you just focus
• 40:04
  on, on your mouth as you're singing in the mirror.
• 40:06
  And because there's little hands and tips that people don't like
• 40:08
  with the to sustain an E, you push the bottom, you push your
• 40:11
  tongue down to the bottom of your, your bottom teeth and you
• 40:15
  hold, you press it there while you're holding the note out.
• 40:16
  Well, when you're standing in front of a mirror, because I
• 40:18
  learned this in vocal when I was in college, I did vocal voice
• 40:22
  addiction because I was theater major after journalism.
• 40:24
  Part of it was was we had to hold a mirror in front of our
• 40:27
  face in the class when we're, when we're doing certain
• 40:29
  exercises. So it's actually a benefit to be
• 40:33
  standing in front of mirror when you're singing because then you
• 40:35
  can, you can remember those little tiny nuances from a
• 40:37
  singer standpoint that make sure you don't go sharp or flat.
• 40:40
  You just subtle little things you do with your mouth and your
• 40:42
  lips and your tongue and this, you know, you know, So it was
• 40:46
  fun. Plus I'm not in there by myself.
• 40:47
  I'm singing to my my reflection and the downside of singing.
• 40:51
  In a bathroom is during mix down.
• 40:53
  You can't say, hey, can you take a little of that reverb out
• 40:57
  right? I always had AI always had a
• 41:00
  little bit of a little bit of a reverb on my voice because I
• 41:03
  like that subtle, the subtle, I don't know, I don't know how to
• 41:07
  explain it. Just he is so easy, Kelly,
• 41:10
  because he has. A natural Southern drawl.
• 41:12
  He doesn't talk that way, but he sings like he's in Molly
• 41:15
  Hatchet, right? So it's easy to put a very light
• 41:21
  delay just to carry out the end of every note into the next
• 41:24
  measure, right? I I never needed to.
• 41:27
  Like I would put a slight delay if there were things that had a
• 41:33
  bunch of open spaces, right? But I would time it to the beat
• 41:36
  so that you would really never even know there was a delay
• 41:38
  there unless it was a wide open space, right.
• 41:41
  Yeah, right. He just has a naturally good
• 41:43
  sounding voice. Yep.
• 41:45
  I love putting a little bit of that.
• 41:47
  On my guitars too, is that you don't notice that it's a delay
• 41:50
  there. It just thickens it up.
• 41:52
  But it's if you take it out, people go something's different.
• 41:56
  Yeah, it makes it a bigger sound like you want to fill.
• 41:58
  The space and I was just filling space.
• 42:01
  I was just fascinated that you. Know as a musician, we
• 42:04
  understand that music is mathematics right I never
• 42:07
  thought after I became a recording engineer and a live
• 42:10
  sound engineer that you have to subdivide those effects into
• 42:15
  that same time signature right so now you have to time your.
• 42:19
  Delays and. Your reverbs to the actual beat
• 42:22
  of the song and they have to change as the song changes.
• 42:25
  You know that guy back there running sound is not just
• 42:28
  finding a happy medium and then standing there and watching the
• 42:31
  show the rest of the night, right?
• 42:32
  He's probably working harder than anybody else in that room.
• 42:36
  Absolutely, because. Yeah, and see I can.
• 42:38
  Contest to that a little bit, 'cause when I was doing the
• 42:40
  theater major, I did all the facets.
• 42:42
  So I ran lights, I did the sound, I learned all those
• 42:45
  different things. It's a lot of work, man.
• 42:47
  Yeah, it is a lot of work. You're not just sitting there
• 42:49
  watching what's going on on stage.
• 42:50
  You're and you have the cues and you have these checklists and
• 42:53
  these note cards. I got to do the lights here and
• 42:54
  that and the music sounds effect, blah, blah, blah, blah.
• 42:57
  So yeah, people think running sound and stuff.
• 42:59
  Oh, that's a great gig. You're just sitting there
• 43:00
  watching the show. Well, not really.
• 43:02
  You are, but not really. So while we're talking about
• 43:04
  this, I got to know. What?
• 43:06
  What was your rig? What guitars did you play?
• 43:09
  What amps did you prefer? So my go.
• 43:13
  To amp setup was as a PVV TM120 and I ran through vintage and
• 43:19
  pig cabs. 4 twelves OK, Very popular during that time.
• 43:24
  That was, that was my. Setup I ran dry mostly.
• 43:29
  I had a delay pedal and a compressor and that was really
• 43:33
  it. And for people listening, a
• 43:35
  delay just. Makes the sound ring out and a
• 43:38
  compressor keeps it from feeding back.
• 43:41
  You're just basically pinching the sound to make it fuller,
• 43:45
  more bottom end, right? Yeah, I did.
• 43:48
  I did the same thing. Nice and.
• 43:49
  Tight. You want that speaker to just be
• 43:51
  blowing air forward all the time?
• 43:54
  Absolutely I have. That was side A and then my side
• 43:59
  B was APV renown. That was my first amp that I
• 44:03
  ever got A. Compliment on.
• 44:05
  I took the. I took the the 212 speakers out
• 44:09
  of it and also ran it through. Those were black widows, right?
• 44:14
  Yeah. They were I.
• 44:16
  Ran that back through the ampegs also, but that was my acoustic
• 44:21
  setup. So on my electric side I had the
• 44:23
  VTM and my acoustics that I had the renown.
• 44:28
  So here's one thing that I noticed.
• 44:30
  PV has some of the most and that's the reason it's used in
• 44:33
  country music a lot. For people that don't know that
• 44:35
  PV is super popular in country music because they're clean.
• 44:38
  Sound is probably only second to Vox or no Roland, yeah.
• 44:47
  James Hetfield has one of the most beautiful.
• 44:49
  Clean sounds. And Kirk Hammett has one of the
• 44:52
  worst how he can listen to James's all the fucking time and
• 44:57
  then think that what his the shit that's coming out of his
• 45:00
  when they're playing clean is a good guitar tone.
• 45:03
  I don't get it. His ears don't work right, but
• 45:06
  the PV renown had a beautiful clean sound.
• 45:08
  Marshalls the same way. They're clean.
• 45:10
  Sound sucks. Yeah, you have to.
• 45:13
  Doctor it, I used to use a. Quadraverb GT because I met
• 45:17
  Chris at a candle box concert and I loved Peter Klutz clean
• 45:22
  sound. I've sent him messages on
• 45:24
  Facebook giving him compliments on that.
• 45:26
  I was like, I totally stole your clean sound just because you
• 45:30
  know you listen to Far Behind and You Beautiful.
• 45:34
  Beautiful clean. Guitar.
• 45:35
  I was like, I got to know where. That's a great sound.
• 45:38
  Fantastic. Man.
• 45:40
  It's the Quadraver GT. So I put that in my rack and I
• 45:44
  bypassed the, you know, just stuck it in the effects loop on
• 45:48
  the Marshall and just bypassed that clean channel and use that.
• 45:53
  Yeah. Oh yeah, for sure.
• 45:55
  So for my guitars I I prefer my Jackson.
• 45:59
  I've got a a dinky Rev the USA mid 90s dinky red so we prefer
• 46:07
  the same company my. Baby is a Charvel STX custom.
• 46:12
  Yeah, my Charvel that I really. Love, Actually my Jackson got
• 46:17
  stolen. Oh, that's right.
• 46:19
  I remember that. Yeah.
• 46:20
  You were there, yeah. My Jackson.
• 46:22
  Got stolen too. Oh my God, maybe it's the same.
• 46:26
  Guy when I started teaching College in.
• 46:32
  HOCKINGVILLE, Kansas I had all my guitars in my office, came in
• 46:36
  one Monday and one of them was gone.
• 46:39
  Like I knew instantly, like all the cases were lined up, 12 of
• 46:42
  them. All the cases were lined up.
• 46:44
  I unlocked the door, turned the lights on.
• 46:46
  I'm like something is different, something is wrong.
• 46:50
  And I started looking around the office like what the heck is
• 46:53
  going on? And I noticed my Jackson was
• 46:55
  gone. Well, here's what happened to
• 46:57
  me, man, I. Was working at a pre press
• 47:00
  house. I was a scanner operator.
• 47:02
  That was my backup plan. I was I went to school for
• 47:04
  graphic arts and it was pouring down rain that day and I had a
• 47:08
  gig right after I left work. So I had my guitar and all my
• 47:11
  effects in the back. And the guy that was working
• 47:15
  maintenance at the place came running in and he said, hey,
• 47:18
  man, somebody busted your window out.
• 47:20
  And I can't believe it. Your wallet's still there
• 47:23
  because my I had left my wallet. In the car.
• 47:26
  And dude, I didn't even have to think about it.
• 47:27
  In 1/10 of a second it hit my brain.
• 47:29
  I'm like, I said it out loud, my wallet's still there because my
• 47:33
  guitar and all my fucking effects are gone.
• 47:36
  And sure shit. So.
• 47:39
  That's how I ended up with this. STX Custom.
• 47:42
  It's crazy how the universe gives you what you need
• 47:45
  sometimes. This thing has been with me for
• 47:47
  what, 35 years now? 32 years I would never get rid
• 47:51
  of it because that thing can do I can get sounds out of I can't
• 47:57
  get out of another instrument every other guitar just.
• 48:00
  It's good, but it's not that one right.
• 48:02
  I'm sure you've experienced it the same thing being a player
• 48:05
  for this many years. Yeah, I ended up getting my.
• 48:08
  Jackson back actually, because I called the police the my Dean at
• 48:13
  the college and you know, they sort of put together this quasi
• 48:18
  task force, poor thing. Well, I started.
• 48:21
  Watching Craigslist? Oh yeah, Craigslist was.
• 48:25
  Huge back then, right? A guitar came up for sale on
• 48:27
  Craigslist. I'm.
• 48:28
  Like I recognize that guitar. I know that guitar.
• 48:32
  In fact, I had a a case. That I put all of my pics in
• 48:35
  inside the the guitar case and it was still there.
• 48:38
  Like everything was there. So I called the Police
• 48:41
  Department. I'm like, I have my guitar and
• 48:43
  they said OK, I want you to go buy it, we're going to come with
• 48:47
  you. So I ended up getting my.
• 48:50
  Guitar. Back and the guy goes to jail.
• 48:53
  Did you wear Did you wear a wire?
• 48:55
  No, I didn't have to wear that would have.
• 48:57
  Been cool dude. No, he took the.
• 48:58
  Cops with him. He was gangster.
• 49:01
  I was I was going to meet him in a parking.
• 49:02
  Lot of some store at the public parking, Yeah, and so the cops
• 49:07
  said to. Me, the detective.
• 49:08
  Said to me. Excuse me?
• 49:10
  Yep, we're going to watch from over here, OK, He said.
• 49:14
  As soon as you pick up the case and walk away, that tells us
• 49:17
  that that's your guitar. Right on, man.
• 49:19
  Then we'll come. In swarmed.
• 49:21
  Yeah. They did.
• 49:22
  There was like, was he all? Was he all like hyped out,
• 49:27
  strung out on drugs, one of those type of thefts?
• 49:30
  He was actually. One of the janitors at the
• 49:34
  college, Yeah. Ouch.
• 49:38
  So of all the guitars? I knew then that he had already
• 49:43
  gone through all of my all of my girls.
• 49:47
  Yeah. And that was the one that he
• 49:49
  wanted. OK, how many guitars did you
• 49:50
  have? 12 OK wow when I.
• 49:53
  Was about how many I. Had at my height.
• 49:55
  Wow, I'm down to 4 now. See, I had one.
• 49:57
  Microphone 1 mic stand. And I was good.
• 49:59
  Now you know I had this. Little I.
• 50:03
  Had like forget what I forget what it was.
• 50:05
  I had some little you had APA system, I know.
• 50:08
  I but that was more for. Band purpose, but I had that one
• 50:11
  effects thing I had remember that.
• 50:12
  I don't remember what the hell it was, but it would it would
• 50:15
  where I would you, you would fuck with it.
• 50:17
  So the the the delay and reverb and stuff we played.
• 50:19
  Oh yeah, he had. I forget what it was, I'll think
• 50:22
  about it while we're finishing, but you told me to buy it, so I
• 50:25
  went and found. It and he had the most bad ass
• 50:28
  delay. Reverb at the time, and I can't
• 50:30
  remember who made it, it was so simple.
• 50:33
  All it was was a reverb and a delay.
• 50:35
  It had like 2 buttons. But this thing sounded
• 50:38
  fantastic, man Yeah. What 2 guitars do you have that
• 50:42
  you just showed us when you were painting your camera around the
• 50:44
  room? Oh, this is my Jackson and my.
• 50:46
  Is the Jackson the one that you bought?
• 50:48
  That you had to go. That's awesome that you still
• 50:51
  have it. Yep, I also.
• 50:53
  Have a. I've got a couple Gibson's my
• 50:58
  acoustic line. I love Alvarez.
• 50:59
  So I've got a couple 6 strings and a 12 string.
• 51:03
  I've got a couple Gibson's, but one of my Gibson's is the oh
• 51:08
  shoot, what did they call it? It had it has a my gosh, I was
• 51:16
  just it's got a, a Les Paul body with a flying V headstock and
• 51:21
  they made them between 74 and 70.
• 51:23
  A Marauder. Yes, I was trying to think of
• 51:26
  what they called. Those things, yeah, Paul Stanley
• 51:28
  used to play one every. Once in a while I got 1 and I
• 51:33
  got that one from a buddy in high school.
• 51:36
  His brother had it and he said, you know, my, my older brother's
• 51:40
  off to college. His guitar's in the closet.
• 51:42
  You want to buy it? I said, of course I want to buy
• 51:45
  it. He said 100 bucks, it's yours.
• 51:47
  So I bought 100 bucks. That's a smoking deal.
• 51:51
  And then I got. The crazy idea of Mr.
• 51:54
  Modification is that instead of the the humbucker single coil
• 52:00
  and it it was the like the wax covered pickups or paraffin
• 52:04
  covered or whatever they covered.
• 52:05
  Those were awesome. Yeah, they were paraffin
• 52:07
  covered. This is such a guitar geek part.
• 52:09
  Of the show I waited 100. And six episodes to talk.
• 52:14
  To another guitar player, I know he Mike's been on me for so.
• 52:16
  Long to get a musician. I've been trying and then here
• 52:18
  you are, Kelly. We didn't even know you're a
• 52:20
  musician, so you're just feeding his fire, which is fantastic.
• 52:24
  That's what we So please continue.
• 52:26
  Because it's all going right. Over my head, man.
• 52:28
  But Mr. Mr. Modification. I thought I had the great idea
• 52:32
  of throwing in a couple of humbuckers, You know, I don't
• 52:35
  remember if they were probably. Friends for us ignorant folks.
• 52:41
  What's a humbucker? So 2.
• 52:45
  Pickup. Were there two sides?
• 52:47
  Oh pickups? As soon as the pickup, I knew
• 52:49
  what it. Was yes, so instead of having
• 52:51
  one they're. Wired together.
• 52:53
  OK, I just didn't realize that was the technical term was a.
• 52:55
  Humbucker because that'd be a great name for a band.
• 52:57
  So when they here's a here's a quick.
• 52:59
  History on guitars. When they invented the guitar,
• 53:01
  there was only the single coil. And when you plugged it into the
• 53:04
  amplifier, there was a inherent hum in the amp that would never
• 53:08
  go away. So as music got louder, the hum
• 53:11
  got louder. And it's annoying, right?
• 53:13
  Every time you stop playing, it's.
• 53:16
  Yeah, yeah. Well, somebody just one day
• 53:19
  said, I wonder if I stick these two together and I put extra
• 53:22
  windings on them, if that won't make the hum go away because now
• 53:26
  the polarity is being reversed, right?
• 53:28
  You have positive, negative push and get more away from each
• 53:32
  other. And they plugged it in, and
• 53:35
  that's why they call it a humbucker.
• 53:36
  There's no more hum. Is that where Neil perk up the
• 53:38
  line? Everybody got the.
• 53:39
  Deviate from the norm, yeah. Reverse polarities, yes, OK.
• 53:46
  I got a great. I I got a.
• 53:47
  Great famous guitar player story for you.
• 53:49
  So I'm working at Guitar Center in Phoenix.
• 53:52
  Shout out to 152. And this guy comes.
• 53:56
  In wearing a Hawaiian. Shirt and a pair of shorts.
• 53:59
  You know, it's the middle of the summer.
• 54:00
  Just like like he looked like somebody's dad walking in off
• 54:03
  the street, right? The only thing that made.
• 54:06
  Him look a little different is he had.
• 54:07
  Shoulder length hair. And he was probably, I don't
• 54:10
  know, 50 some at the time. He's looking at, you know,
• 54:14
  Guitar Center puts all their most expensive guitars at the
• 54:17
  top where nobody can reach him. Obviously he kept looking up and
• 54:22
  nobody was helping him. So I walked up and I said, hey,
• 54:24
  you need some help? He says where you guys keep your
• 54:27
  special guitars. And he had a thick English
• 54:30
  accent. I said, well, that's as special.
• 54:33
  As they get. Right there.
• 54:34
  And he said no, no, no, you misunderstand.
• 54:36
  Where do you keep your special guitars?
• 54:39
  I was like, oh, I had only been working there for maybe six
• 54:42
  months, 8 months. I really still didn't understand
• 54:44
  what he meant, you know? So I went and asked my manager
• 54:48
  and he said, Oh yeah, he's looking for like custom shop
• 54:52
  stuff that we would keep, maybe even not here.
• 54:54
  But he says ask him what he's specifically looking for.
• 54:58
  So he was specifically looking for Gibson's and Fenders.
• 55:02
  So we take him in a private room and we had to get some stuff
• 55:05
  from Scottsdale and Tempe. So there's like 20 to 25 minute
• 55:08
  drive back and forth on a good day.
• 55:13
  So I'm talking to him and he starts talking about his friends
• 55:18
  over in England, specifically Jimmy and David and Robert.
• 55:23
  And I'm like. You can't be meaning Paige.
• 55:27
  Plant and Gilmore, he's like, Oh yeah, yeah, they're my mates,
• 55:31
  you know, my, my mates sleep, get a guitar.
• 55:34
  Go to get back home. Yeah.
• 55:36
  Play with the boys in the band. What do you got for me, Mike?
• 55:38
  What do you got? So we find him this.
• 55:42
  Tom Murphy, you know. Do you know who Tom Murphy is?
• 55:44
  He's a master builder for Gibson.
• 55:46
  Beautiful. This guitar was $12,500 and 2003
• 55:54
  so you can imagine what it would cost now, he starts.
• 55:58
  Playing this thing, Kelly I. Can't tell you how much that day
• 56:02
  showed me what a 3000 guitar $3000 guitar sounds like and a
• 56:07
  $12,000 guitar sounds like. So much so that he tried
• 56:12
  different cables and because he was the one playing it, you
• 56:18
  could. Totally hear.
• 56:20
  You know all the nuances that he was looking for.
• 56:23
  Come to find out, this guy's name was Ted Turner.
• 56:26
  He played in a band called Wishbone Ash, and he's rated by
• 56:30
  Rolling Stone magazine as not only the inventor, him and his
• 56:34
  buddy of the twin guitar attack that Judas Priest used, that
• 56:38
  Iron Maiden used, that Def Leppard used, that everybody
• 56:41
  adopted, your band adopted. He is credited with being the
• 56:45
  originator of that particular. Here's how Rock'n'roll is going
• 56:49
  to be presented to the world. That is cool I.
• 56:53
  Knew who he was because I worked with a.
• 56:54
  Guy in the graphic arts industry named Daryl Haldane.
• 56:58
  He was from South Africa and he worshipped Wishbone Ass.
• 57:01
  So he had already introduced that band to me years before and
• 57:06
  he, the guy told me he's like, you probably don't know who we
• 57:08
  are because we were significant about the time you were born,
• 57:13
  you know, I said, oh, I know who you are and that.
• 57:17
  Fascinated him so he's that was my street.
• 57:18
  Tread right there. Oh yeah.
• 57:21
  That's awesome. So.
• 57:24
  We got about 15 minutes left here.
• 57:28
  What's what's like? Because Mike and I like, we like
• 57:31
  to deep dive in things. So.
• 57:32
  So you're married, 4 kids. How old are the kids?
• 57:34
  My oldest is 29 and. Then 2521 and 18.
• 57:40
  My baby just graduated high school.
• 57:42
  OK, all boys, girls mix. My oldest 2 are boys, my
• 57:45
  youngest. 2 Are girls OK? Yeah, so my daughter's.
• 57:48
  That was born in 96. My son was born in 2001.
• 57:52
  My son's a Marine. My daughter's giving us our 2
• 57:55
  little grandchildren, school, school, being a nurse and stuff.
• 57:59
  Is everybody still kind of staying in the Wisconsin area
• 58:01
  where you live or they venturing out Like we've had some guests
• 58:04
  that the kids are like all over different parts of the world.
• 58:07
  No, I've got. My oldest is in.
• 58:08
  Pittsburgh. And are they?
• 58:11
  Are they excited about the Aaron Rodgers pick up?
• 58:14
  He's not much of A. Football fan so he he could care
• 58:17
  less. Gotcha, Gotcha 4.
• 58:19
  Steelers, Aaron. Rodgers just needs to go away.
• 58:22
  Fine, right? Thank you.
• 58:23
  Just just call it a day. Man, I.
• 58:26
  That's like when Brett Favre did that shit, Like just just call
• 58:29
  it a day. Your last two years weren't
• 58:30
  productive like LeBron James. Go away now, go away.
• 58:33
  You're destroying the NBA every time you open up Facebook,
• 58:37
  Instagram. I saw a real last night of the
• 58:38
  greatest actor in the NBA and it was LeBron.
• 58:40
  All his like a 15 minute collage basically of all the stupid shit
• 58:44
  he does, you know, one was was a phantom punch.
• 58:48
  He was going around a basketball player and then like nothing,
• 58:50
  nothing touched his body. The guy with the ball didn't.
• 58:54
  Touch him at all, LeBron. Yeah, it's like, dude, just.
• 58:57
  Go away now you're. Just you're trying to get stats
• 59:00
  go away. Emmett Smith, would he?
• 59:02
  We left the Cowboys. He was gone for stats, Yeah.
• 59:04
  And it's time, you know, for a lot of.
• 59:07
  People for a lot of different things, you know, and I watch
• 59:10
  you know, come around here we've got a lot of casinos in the
• 59:12
  area, you know watch some of the bands that we played with back
• 59:16
  in the day in their their greatness right now they're
• 59:20
  reduced to playing for crowds of 200 at the casino and I'm like
• 59:24
  and just but but is that but see but see there's a thing.
• 59:27
  Though, Kelly, is that their fire?
• 59:29
  What you going to say Is that their fire?
• 59:31
  Man. Because if that's.
• 59:32
  Their fire they're going to continue because I believe it or
• 59:34
  not, if, if, if, if, if our band nemesis was still together and
• 59:38
  we had rode that crescendo, we'd still be playing shows pot of
• 59:41
  playing Casino, right? I mean, just because if, if
• 59:45
  that's if that's your passion, right, then you have to do what
• 59:48
  you love. Just like you preached earlier
• 59:50
  on your on your thing. So we played it.
• 59:51
  You knew what I was going to say.
• 59:52
  You just walked right into that. I knew you were going to come
• 59:55
  back because pizza. Joint where?
• 59:57
  They were advertising People's Johnson Party of Five, your
• 1:00:00
  pizzas ready while we were jamming, you know.
• 1:00:05
  I think we've all. Had gigs like that.
• 1:00:07
  Absolutely. That's the fun of it, man.
• 1:00:09
  That's the. Fun of playing in front of the
• 1:00:11
  three people that play in front of 2000 people.
• 1:00:12
  And the difference of your performance is exactly the same
• 1:00:15
  because you're playing and doing what you love.
• 1:00:19
  It doesn't matter how many people are there.
• 1:00:21
  Here's where I'll. Here's where I'll.
• 1:00:22
  Agree with you and disagree with you.
• 1:00:24
  I completely agree with what Chris said.
• 1:00:26
  You walked right into that one. But here's where I'll agree and
• 1:00:29
  disagree with you if the band is still.
• 1:00:35
  Able to play the songs. Effectively agreed.
• 1:00:39
  I don't care if they're playing for. 5 people and five.
• 1:00:41
  Million, right? If they're doing what they love
• 1:00:43
  and they're making a living in it, that's great.
• 1:00:45
  But when they become a parody of themselves, like Axel Rose and
• 1:00:49
  David Lee Roth. Then I have a problem with it.
• 1:00:51
  I. Agree with that 100%.
• 1:00:52
  That was the caveat. To that was the asterisk.
• 1:00:54
  Do you not go out there and ruin that band's image?
• 1:00:57
  The only one that I'll throw out there right now that people seem
• 1:01:00
  to have a problem with, and they've eased off, thankfully,
• 1:01:02
  is the Pantera reunion. We can't get Darrell and we
• 1:01:06
  can't get Vinny up there anymore because they're dead, right?
• 1:01:10
  Right. Let let the people who never got
• 1:01:13
  to see it, they picked the two best people on the planet to
• 1:01:16
  represent those two people who are no longer with us.
• 1:01:19
  If you didn't get to see Pantera, this is the next best
• 1:01:22
  thing, right? And there's a difference of that
• 1:01:24
  then. Like like say Foreigner, because
• 1:01:25
  Foreigner still touring. There's not one single original
• 1:01:28
  memo from Foreigner touring. No.
• 1:01:29
  What are you doing? What are you doing?
• 1:01:31
  You're a cover band. Yes, go away.
• 1:01:34
  Go, go away. Then it becomes.
• 1:01:37
  A real. Revelation of or.
• 1:01:42
  Exposure of what is business versus music because now it's
• 1:01:47
  the brand and it doesn't who's representing the brand, it's the
• 1:01:51
  brand. You know, Levi's jeans will
• 1:01:53
  always be Levi's Jean. But let me ask you this before
• 1:01:56
  we get too. Far away from that subject, how
• 1:01:58
  do you feel about that? Like if all the members of
• 1:02:01
  Foreigner are unable to represent that music anymore, is
• 1:02:05
  there anything wrong with their blessing?
• 1:02:08
  These people. Carrying it on because KISS
• 1:02:10
  wants to do the same thing, right?
• 1:02:11
  I think, see, I think it's bullshit if you're not if
• 1:02:13
  you're. Not if there's not an original
• 1:02:15
  member in the band. There's no point in it's Led
• 1:02:18
  Zeppelin. OK, Why did Led Zeppelin stop?
• 1:02:20
  Bottom died, right. Boom.
• 1:02:22
  Right. Aerosmith stopped touring wide.
• 1:02:24
  Aerosmith stopped touring recently because Steven Tyler's
• 1:02:26
  voice. You're not replacing Steven
• 1:02:27
  Tyler. Now, Lincoln Park took a decade
• 1:02:29
  to replace to replace Chester, but I don't think that does the
• 1:02:34
  band any justice because she's not Chester.
• 1:02:37
  She will not sing like Chester. They got a check because of the
• 1:02:39
  range she needed to be able to, but they're in the same boat.
• 1:02:42
  Where? You can't because he's dead.
• 1:02:44
  It's the same thing exactly. It's like NXS has.
• 1:02:47
  Gone nowhere since Michael Hutchins died.
• 1:02:49
  So ACDC John, bottom of NXS you can't replace.
• 1:02:52
  That dude exactly ACDC. Was lucky they had two
• 1:02:56
  lifetimes. Bon Scott and Brian Johnson
• 1:02:57
  right? But I mean, name, name other
• 1:03:00
  bands that have been able to carry on without an integral
• 1:03:04
  part. And I aside from ACDC, I don't
• 1:03:06
  really. I can't really.
• 1:03:08
  OK, Yeah, yeah. Van Halen.
• 1:03:09
  That was a whole. That's the only rather 1 though,
• 1:03:11
  right? So there's two.
• 1:03:12
  Out of all the. Bands everywhere couldn't agree
• 1:03:15
  with you more so I think. Foreigner just needs to hang it.
• 1:03:17
  Up, but I want his opinion on it, yeah.
• 1:03:20
  I don't even Van Halen was able. To carry on without their
• 1:03:23
  original formation because we're actually more successful
• 1:03:27
  monitor. It was a different styles.
• 1:03:29
  Different music. It was a different.
• 1:03:31
  I'm not going to disagree with you there.
• 1:03:32
  More popular though, I think that.
• 1:03:34
  Van Halen. After Dave left, I think Van
• 1:03:37
  Halen was done. And then it's great that those
• 1:03:40
  musicians got together because they produced something that was
• 1:03:43
  really outstanding. Yeah, it wasn't Van Halen.
• 1:03:46
  It was Van Hagar or Sam Halen. I agree with that.
• 1:03:54
  Oh that's a cool 1. Sam Halen I like.
• 1:03:55
  That that's I never heard that one before.
• 1:03:57
  I agree with that, but in the 2 examples.
• 1:03:59
  That we brought up Chris is right.
• 1:04:03
  They were both more successful on the flip side, ACDC and Van
• 1:04:08
  Halen. But every musician in the world
• 1:04:10
  will say exactly what you just said.
• 1:04:12
  Van Halen was dead after David Lee Roth left the band.
• 1:04:17
  It didn't have the same energy to it, right?
• 1:04:19
  What is different because and because I've seen.
• 1:04:22
  We've all seen clips of Van Halen in their heyday, David de
• 1:04:25
  Roth, just he, he would never stay on track with the songs.
• 1:04:29
  He would never sing in key live. He just, some of the stuff I
• 1:04:32
  watched like 2 just well, he was drunk a lot for sure right?
• 1:04:35
  So that's the thing I. Think I think Sam Halen will
• 1:04:38
  call because I love that. Kelly.
• 1:04:40
  They they put on a show where you could, you knew what you
• 1:04:43
  were going to get every night. Yeah, You know what I mean?
• 1:04:46
  You knew Sammy was. I mean, they're going to be
• 1:04:48
  drunk and what not because they're a party man.
• 1:04:49
  But he still performed at the level that that he held himself
• 1:04:53
  accountable to. He was a professional singer.
• 1:04:55
  He wasn't showman. Comparison.
• 1:04:57
  David Lee Roth. No, we can all agree, I think
• 1:04:59
  that David Lee Roth set the foundation as a front man in a
• 1:05:03
  rock'n'roll band. Who to be, how to be what?
• 1:05:04
  How to look, the persona, the charisma, the engaging of the
• 1:05:07
  crowd. Right.
• 1:05:09
  Because even though he wouldn't sing.
• 1:05:11
  I saw something the other day. It was a compilation.
• 1:05:14
  They were doing an interview with him and his back and forth
• 1:05:16
  with their their music and stuff.
• 1:05:17
  But you can't take away from the fact that when they were.
• 1:05:19
  Good. They were good.
• 1:05:20
  They were, they were good. Most nights he was on his game
• 1:05:23
  and they just ruled the world with the fucking stacks all the
• 1:05:26
  way to the Oh yeah, yeah, you know that Unchained.
• 1:05:29
  Video that you always bring. Up I love that was one of the
• 1:05:32
  first. Images.
• 1:05:33
  That I saw that made me say holy shit, how can I do that too,
• 1:05:38
  because I want to stand in front all those that was that was that
• 1:05:41
  was the first song the. First video I ever saw and I was
• 1:05:43
  the same thing. Like, you know.
• 1:05:46
  And but I also agree with your. Statement.
• 1:05:48
  That I saw Van Halen two or three times with Sammy and it
• 1:05:52
  was a quality product every right and I saw both I saw.
• 1:05:55
  David Lee Roth on the Edeman Edeman Smile Tour, which was oh,
• 1:05:58
  I did too. I saw him open up for.
• 1:06:01
  Or no, Cinderella opened up for them and blew him off the stage
• 1:06:04
  and he was he was flawless. Like he.
• 1:06:06
  Was he was He was singing, he was in tune, he knew the lyrics.
• 1:06:09
  He wasn't fucking around. Right.
• 1:06:11
  He wasn't fucking around like he and then.
• 1:06:13
  He he starts fucking around so much and it takes away, I think,
• 1:06:16
  because being a singer, I want the singer to do their fucking
• 1:06:20
  job. Not, you know, sit there with a
• 1:06:22
  bottle. Because then later in life, I
• 1:06:24
  saw him and Sammy on tour. The Sammy, Sammy and him would
• 1:06:26
  rotate headlining nights, right? So Sammy kicked them off.
• 1:06:30
  The Sammy just blew him off the stage.
• 1:06:31
  From a performance standpoint, David Lee Roth comes out, he
• 1:06:33
  headlined that night. Lights go dark and we're just
• 1:06:37
  sitting there waiting. He comes out when this blue
• 1:06:39
  sequins jumpsuit skin tight and has a bottle of Jack and he's
• 1:06:44
  using the bottle of Jack as his penis the whole show like he's
• 1:06:47
  singing and he's it's like, what are you doing, man?
• 1:06:51
  Just and we left. I we left like, I don't know, 20
• 1:06:54
  minutes into a SEC because it was just, it's so embarrassing
• 1:06:58
  and just like, dude, come on, like just do the do what you're
• 1:07:01
  here to do. There's entertaining and
• 1:07:04
  entertaining, and then there's just.
• 1:07:05
  Being an idiot, right? And he was just being an idiot,
• 1:07:07
  correct? It's just, it was.
• 1:07:08
  Disappointing, but so I had seen and I've seen Van Halen with
• 1:07:11
  David Lee Ross, so I saw solo with the band and I saw Sammy
• 1:07:15
  Nick and I've seen Sammy a few times solo and then with Van
• 1:07:17
  Halen. So yeah, it's just it's two
• 1:07:19
  different products. On on.
• 1:07:20
  Sammy is one of the best live rock'n'roll singers.
• 1:07:23
  The world has ever heard Yeah, agreed.
• 1:07:25
  He's just. Consistent night after he.
• 1:07:27
  He doesn't have the biggest range, no, but at his age, to be
• 1:07:31
  able to go out there and deliver like he does, even to this day,
• 1:07:34
  is fascinating. Yeah, because he's excellent. 70
• 1:07:37
  age or. Something he's like the same
• 1:07:38
  age. As Bill Clinton.
• 1:07:39
  Yeah, look at look at Sammy and look at Bill Clinton, right.
• 1:07:43
  Well, Sammy. Hasn't had, you know, 67% of the
• 1:07:46
  people he's known killed to weigh on his soul.
• 1:07:49
  He's probably had 67% of the people gotten drunk with him.
• 1:07:52
  That's a good. Spreading love and.
• 1:07:55
  Positivity into the world. Or or you know, and just
• 1:07:58
  straight up murder. You know, and the dynamic of.
• 1:08:03
  Of the life, you know? Yeah, I don't want to be on that
• 1:08:05
  list. Oh yeah, we're all gone
• 1:08:07
  tomorrow. Damn it.
• 1:08:09
  Put a voice name. Hey.
• 1:08:10
  So this is Kelly before we let him go.
• 1:08:13
  You still play. Yeah, you know, I do still play.
• 1:08:17
  But it's limited. Make it a priority.
• 1:08:22
  Make it, well, most. Of my time.
• 1:08:24
  Is, you know, working with people and talking with people.
• 1:08:27
  And so put 10 minutes back into your day.
• 1:08:29
  Every day. That's Well, I do I, but you're.
• 1:08:32
  Going to you'll send me a. Message later on, you'll be
• 1:08:34
  like, thanks man. I've been doing it every day and
• 1:08:36
  now my life has changed. Yeah, this is your fire.
• 1:08:38
  You need that for you. This is my fire.
• 1:08:40
  This is my I had to do that for. Me.
• 1:08:41
  That's why I'm telling you. When I'm this guy did that for
• 1:08:45
  me. He made me accountable.
• 1:08:46
  And start playing again. And I've got a full studio in
• 1:08:48
  the basement too. That I record it still still,
• 1:08:52
  But when I'm not traveling, doing workshops and keynote
• 1:08:57
  stuff, I, I'm playing and, you know, I get calls lots of times
• 1:09:01
  to, you know, sit in with a praise band or sit in with a pit
• 1:09:05
  orchestra for a different production of something.
• 1:09:08
  So I'll always pick a gig like that.
• 1:09:10
  But, you know, I'm not looking to be in a band because I've,
• 1:09:15
  I've lived that life. Right, Right.
• 1:09:17
  OK, I'm OK. With where I'm at.
• 1:09:19
  But yeah, Oh no, I'm never going to stop playing.
• 1:09:21
  And that's why I've got, you know, a couple of micro that is
• 1:09:25
  awesome. So.
• 1:09:26
  Before I wrap this thing up, I want to ask you, I want to go
• 1:09:28
  back in time to our conversation.
• 1:09:30
  You had the the you had the, the, the piercings from the nose
• 1:09:33
  to the ears. Yeah, right.
• 1:09:35
  OK. How do you blow your nose, man?
• 1:09:38
  The same as. Everybody else.
• 1:09:39
  But here's the thing. When I did it, I got my nostrils
• 1:09:43
  pierced in. I could almost tell you the year
• 1:09:46
  it was 80. I bet it was 89 OK before it was
• 1:09:51
  a thing. Sure, kind.
• 1:09:53
  Of like when I shaved my head in 90s people.
• 1:09:55
  Nobody was shaving their head freaking us all on OK.
• 1:09:57
  And so I went. To a place where they did ear
• 1:09:59
  piercings and I, I want you to Pierce my nose.
• 1:10:03
  And they said, I don't think we can do that.
• 1:10:06
  I said, well, I saw, you know, this in the magazine.
• 1:10:08
  I think Snake already had. Yeah, I think that's where I got
• 1:10:11
  the idea. I've seen the.
• 1:10:14
  Thing, so I know you can do it. She literally called the doctor,
• 1:10:18
  the hospital and asked if it was OK to make sure it wasn't going
• 1:10:22
  to paralyze my face. And so she stuck the gun like
• 1:10:26
  right up in my nose. They're like hot.
• 1:10:28
  Oh God. That hurt like hell, so I had
• 1:10:33
  like a normal. Piercing like the giant post in
• 1:10:36
  it and then I'm like, I'm already here, go ahead and do
• 1:10:40
  the other one. So she stuck the gun up.
• 1:10:44
  Oh dear. So I've got close and so I
• 1:10:47
  could. Blow my nose.
• 1:10:48
  Except when you get a cold, you know the snot just hangs off of
• 1:10:53
  those big inside things, so you always have to keep it.
• 1:10:56
  Closed. Keep it cleaned up.
• 1:10:58
  So did you? Did you sleep with the chains?
• 1:11:00
  No, I took the chains out OK because that.
• 1:11:02
  Was my other thing like how do you?
• 1:11:03
  Sleep with that shit man. Let me make you feel better
• 1:11:06
  about that period. In your life, these kids today
• 1:11:09
  are splitting their tongues. Yeah, you can't fix that.
• 1:11:14
  Not. I could see.
• 1:11:16
  Certain aspects of of. A dynamic that would be
• 1:11:18
  beneficial to the female part of that relationship.
• 1:11:21
  That would be it. That would be it, yeah.
• 1:11:24
  What a. Great place to end the show.
• 1:11:25
  Hey, we are Chris and Mike. This is Kelly Mayer.
• 1:11:28
  He is project Find Your Fire and that's project Find yourfire.com
• 1:11:33
  Scoot this way. I want to read your thing.
• 1:11:35
  I want to read your thing, Kelly.
• 1:11:37
  There you go. Be fearless in pursuit of what
• 1:11:38
  sets your soul on fire. Project.
• 1:11:40
  Find yourfire.com. Check them out.
• 1:11:42
  You're going to love them. We love them.
• 1:11:44
  And we just met him. So this has been a great,
• 1:11:46
  engaging conversation. We always so much.
• 1:11:48
  Man. That's awesome.
• 1:11:49
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:11:50
  Thank you for very much for. Joining us and and letting us
• 1:11:52
  have some time with you because it's valuable.
• 1:11:56
  If you've watched our shows at all, you know, we always end
• 1:11:57
  with don't let the bad days wind.
• 1:12:00
  If you're feeling suicidal, depressed, find somebody to talk
• 1:12:02
  to. Somebody will miss you tomorrow
• 1:12:04
  if you don't wake up. So don't create the hole in
• 1:12:06
  somebody else's soul. Reach out, get some help because
• 1:12:09
  everybody loves you. Everybody needs you and and
• 1:12:13
  don't be that person. Mike and I both had experiences
• 1:12:16
  with somebody taking their reliance and it sucks.
• 1:12:17
  So just don't do it. You can find us on Instagram,
• 1:12:21
  Facebook and YouTube. Like subscribe, follow all kind
• 1:12:24
  of jazz. Kelly's show will drop here in,
• 1:12:26
  I don't know, a week or so, something like that.
• 1:12:28
  We'll give you all the content we have from here, Kelly, so you
• 1:12:30
  can share it all you want as well.
• 1:12:33
  Until next time, Anything else you want to say, Kelly and wrap
• 1:12:35
  it up? No Live with love and live with.
• 1:12:38
  Passion that's all. Live with love, live with
• 1:12:40
  passion. See you later everybody, have a
• 1:12:42
  great day.