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NEW DETAILS FORCE GRAND JURY IN HOLLYWOOD STAR NATALIE WOODS' DEATH? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a revised autopsy report, new witnesses,
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Speaker 1: reports of a man and woman struggling, screaming, fighting out
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Speaker 1: on the water, and then splash new details being revealed
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Speaker 1: now in a brand new book by the sister of
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Speaker 1: a famous actress. Natalie Wood with Me her sister and
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Speaker 1: her brand new book, Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, was
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Speaker 1: one of the two who made that difficult transition from
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Speaker 1: child actress to adult movie star. She was born in
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Speaker 1: San Francisco and at age four moved to Santa Rosa,
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Speaker 1: California with her family. It was there she was hired
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Speaker 1: as an extra in The Happy Land. Two years later,
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Speaker 1: a screen test, a movie contract, and the name changed
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Speaker 1: from Natasha Gurden to Natalie Wood. At age nine, Parents
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Speaker 1: magazine victor as the most Talented juvenile star based on
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Speaker 1: her performance as Susan Walker, a classic film mirac along
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Speaker 1: thirty fourth Street. She played a little girl who learned
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Speaker 1: the meaning of Christmas from Santa Claus himself. After graduation
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Speaker 1: from Van Nuys High School, Natalie Wood's big break came
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Speaker 1: when she was cast opposite the late James d in
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Speaker 1: A Rebel Without a Cause, a role which brought the
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Speaker 1: first of three Oscar nominations. She was nominated as Best
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Speaker 1: Actress for Splendor in the Grass again, the same nomination
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Speaker 1: for her performance in the film Love with a Proper Stranger.
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Speaker 1: But Natalie Wood will probably be best remembered for her
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Speaker 1: role as Maria and the classic West Side story. You
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Speaker 1: were just hearing our friends from ET in the last days.
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Speaker 1: We are learning more and more about the Natalie Wood investigation,
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Speaker 1: or a lack thereof, with me an all star panel
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Speaker 1: to make sense of the brand new details that shed
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Speaker 1: a light on her death floating there off the California coast.
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Speaker 1: How did that happen? To a superstar? With me? Doctor
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Speaker 1: Angela Arnold Psychiatrists, joining us out of the Atlanta jurisdiction.
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Speaker 1: You can find her at Angela Arnold MD dot com.
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Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, founder director of the Coldcase Research Institute at
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Speaker 1: Coldcase Crimes dot org. Doctor Michelle Dupree, renowned forensic pathologists,
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Speaker 1: former medical examiner and author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide.
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Speaker 1: Joining us Alexis teresta crime online dot com investigative reporter,
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Speaker 1: but first to Lana Wood, acclaimed actress, producer and author
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Speaker 1: of Little Sister My investigation to the mysterious death of
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Speaker 1: Natalie Wood. Lana, thank you so much for being with us. Oh,
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Speaker 1: thank you, thank you for carry This is a real
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Speaker 1: or to have you speaking out. You know, very often
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Speaker 1: people suggest that too much money is spent on an investigation,
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Speaker 1: to many man hours spent on an investigation until there
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Speaker 1: is justice, an investigation is not over. We're talking about
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Speaker 1: the death of your sister. And I want to jog
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Speaker 1: everyone's a memory with the wors of the boat captain
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Speaker 1: that night, Captain Dennis davern Our cut Ten, let's hear
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Speaker 1: a Jackie. Yes, that night there was a there was
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Speaker 1: an argument that actually started the day before, but that
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Speaker 1: particular night, in the afternoon, Christopher Walk and Natalie they
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Speaker 1: had gone ashore to a restaurant which was the only
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Speaker 1: restaurant on that part of the island, and the tension
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Speaker 1: was building throughout the whole weekend of Robert Wagner being
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Speaker 1: Christopher Walking, and that afternoon Robert Wagner and myself who
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Speaker 1: we joined Christopher Natalie at the restaurant for dinner, and
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Speaker 1: we had dinner, we had drinks. Robert Wager said it
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Speaker 1: was time to return to the boat. Natalie want they
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Speaker 1: wanted us to know we're going to go back to
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Speaker 1: the boat. Interesting that boat captain was there for the
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Speaker 1: entire evening and he describes tension building not just that
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Speaker 1: evening before an entire day. In your brand new book,
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Speaker 1: a lot of revelations Atlanta, for instance, that boat captain
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Speaker 1: tells you, quote, I held out on the cops. Why
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Speaker 1: did he hold out on the cops? So what does
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Speaker 1: he mean by that? What did he not tell the cops?
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Speaker 1: That's significant. He literally told them exactly what our j's
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Speaker 1: attorney told him to say. That was to be everybody's response,
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Speaker 1: and he was not to elaborate on the response. He
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Speaker 1: RJ was his boss RJ, you know, and has idolized
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Speaker 1: them both and was very taken by the fact that
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Speaker 1: he was working for Natalie Wood and Robert Wagner or
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Speaker 1: their yacht. And Dennis did as he was told. I
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Speaker 1: was just going to ask you, Lanna. He basically did
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Speaker 1: as he was told. What is that, doctor Angela Arnold?
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Speaker 1: When people are so star struck they'll just go along
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Speaker 1: with anything. Well, it's bad. It could be it could
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Speaker 1: be because of some money. But if somebody's I think
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Speaker 1: this is going to lead a lot into the story, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: because I don't think he was the only one that
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Speaker 1: was star struck. And when somebody and it goes back
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Speaker 1: to that, to what we all always talk about when
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Speaker 1: people are in a higher position than you. You can
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Speaker 1: be star struck by people for all different kinds of reasons,
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Speaker 1: don't you And you don't say what you really want
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Speaker 1: to say to those people because they because of how
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Speaker 1: star struck you are, they have a lot of power
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Speaker 1: over you. That's an incredible revelation quote I held out
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Speaker 1: on the cops. He's coming clean now and what he's
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Speaker 1: got to say is a bombshell. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut eleven. This is Captain Dennis Davern. We all
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Speaker 1: went back to the boat. I tied the dingy up
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Speaker 1: on the swim platform with a bow line and a
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Speaker 1: stern line, and we all went inside the boat and
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Speaker 1: opened a bottle of wine, put the kettle on for
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Speaker 1: some tea, because now they like to have a tea
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Speaker 1: before she went to bed, and the jealousy was it
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Speaker 1: was just getting so so tense that Robert had picked
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Speaker 1: up the bottle of wine and smashed the right in
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Speaker 1: front of Natalie and Christopher on the coffee table, and
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Speaker 1: at that moment, Christopher stood up and he went directly
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Speaker 1: to his stateroom, and that was the last I've seen
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Speaker 1: him for that whole night. At that point, Natalie was
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Speaker 1: devastated and she went into her stateroom and Robert Wagner
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Speaker 1: had followed, and they were arguing in the stateroom, and
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Speaker 1: he goes on, listen to this that night, Robert Wagner,
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Speaker 1: Natalie Wood, ferocious fight going on. You turned to FREW
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Speaker 1: music so they would not think in your mind that
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Speaker 1: you were eavesdropping or trying to hear them. But you
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Speaker 1: did hear them. Yeah, yes I did. And I kept
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Speaker 1: the music going, but I could. I could still hear
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Speaker 1: the arguing and in the r going one onto the deck,
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Speaker 1: and moments later everything became silent. So I thought that
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Speaker 1: maybe they were making up, and maybe they were going
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Speaker 1: to go to bed and that was going to be
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Speaker 1: the end of it. So I waited for a little while,
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Speaker 1: and I still had the music on, and I decided, well,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to go down below and I'm going to
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Speaker 1: go to the f deck and just see everything's okay.
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Speaker 1: Robert Wagner was standing there, leaning his back against the
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Speaker 1: back of the boat, facing the facing the boat, and
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Speaker 1: he said that the Natalie was missing, And what I
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Speaker 1: go search the boat? Okay, right there too, Cheryl McCollum
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Speaker 1: joining me, Founder director of the Cold Case Research Institute
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Speaker 1: at Cold Case Crimes dot org. You and I've been
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Speaker 1: on this case for so long and it is very
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Speaker 1: upsetting and very frustrating that no charges have ever been file.
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Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. If my husband went
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Speaker 1: missing off the boat, it would be a cold day
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Speaker 1: and hublel Now. I say, hey, Jackie, I can't find David.
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Speaker 1: You go look for him? Oh? Oh hell no. Everybody
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Speaker 1: would be awake. I mean it would be like a
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Speaker 1: siren in my throat, screaming for him, looking for him,
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Speaker 1: getting every all hands on deck. I gotta find David.
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Speaker 1: But that's not what happened. Did you hear what Dennis
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Speaker 1: Daver said? He said? Robert Writer says, hey, y see,
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Speaker 1: I can't find Natalie. Can you find her? Right? So again,
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Speaker 1: there's several things that jump out at this moment for me. One,
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Speaker 1: searchlights are not turned home. Two, they don't search everywhere.
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Speaker 1: He never tells him go to Christopher Walkins room. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: if he's so jealous, of Christopher Walkin. Why do I
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Speaker 1: go go look in Walkin's room. Maybe she's in there right,
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Speaker 1: and go say go wake him up and help get
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Speaker 1: him to help us. Look, he doesn't bother Chris will
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Speaker 1: walking at all time stories with Nancy Grace. I've got
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Speaker 1: to ask Lanna, Lanna, how can you stand knowing that
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Speaker 1: all of these facts were suppressed? I mean, you pour
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Speaker 1: it all out in your new but little sister my
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Speaker 1: investigation into the mysterious death of Natalie Wood. But all
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Speaker 1: this time you have been begging for justice. I have.
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Speaker 1: I do believe that the homicide detectives that are on
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Speaker 1: this case really have been doing a wonderful job. Oh really,
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Speaker 1: has there been charges? Because I didn't hear about them.
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Speaker 1: No charges, Well, then it's not a wonderful job. It's
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Speaker 1: a bad job. A wonderful job is when justice is
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Speaker 1: sought and justice is obtained. That has not happened. No.
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Speaker 1: They said that they felt they had enough to charge him,
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Speaker 1: and the district attorney turned it down, saying there's no
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Speaker 1: smoking gun. Okay, well, actually, you know what, you may
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Speaker 1: be right. You may be right if in fact that
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Speaker 1: is true. Guys taken listen to more of what the
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Speaker 1: key witness, the boat captain had to say that night.
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Speaker 1: This is Captain Dennis daver Listen. So I immediately went
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Speaker 1: to my stateroom, thinking that maybe she went to my
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Speaker 1: stateroom because she felt maybe that she was safe there,
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Speaker 1: because the night before, Natalie and I had gone ashore
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Speaker 1: and we stayed at a hotel because there was arguing
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Speaker 1: that David before as well. So I came back and
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Speaker 1: I told Robert Wagner that Natalie was no on the boat.
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Speaker 1: I looked in Christopher's stateroom, I looked in the other
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Speaker 1: empty stateroom, and she wasn't there. So I said to
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Speaker 1: Robert Wagner. He said to me, he said, well, he
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Speaker 1: said that Dinghy has gone too. Well, I just I
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Speaker 1: just knew that Natalie was so deathly afraid of water
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Speaker 1: and not really capable of taking that boat by herself.
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Speaker 1: But he said the boat was gone and she was gone.
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Speaker 1: So I thought, well, let's turn on the searchlight and
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Speaker 1: let's just see if we can see her. So it
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Speaker 1: was like he said, no, don't turn on the searchlight
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Speaker 1: and don't call coastguard. Wow, don't turn on the searchlight.
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Speaker 1: Don't call the coastguard. Lanna, guys with me. Is Natalie
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Speaker 1: Wood's sister, and we are not letting it go. I
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Speaker 1: don't care how famous Robert Wagner is or his new wife.
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Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care how he's Hollywood royalty.
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Speaker 1: This woman was killed and nothing has been done about
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Speaker 1: Atlanta jump in. Nothing has been done about it. M
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Speaker 1: R J will not speak to the new homicide detectives.
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Speaker 1: They have tried and tried and tried. They have sat
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Speaker 1: at the guard gate outside his house in Colorado in
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Speaker 1: the cold, they have gone to his front door, They've
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Speaker 1: they've done everything they possibly can to speak with him,
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Speaker 1: and he absolutely refuses, which I find very odd, because
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Speaker 1: if you don't have anything to hide, why wouldn't you
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Speaker 1: speak to them? Hey, Nancy, I gotta jump in for Atlanta.
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Speaker 1: I mean here, Natalie had all these beautiful dresses and
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Speaker 1: fur coats, and you would think that Robert Wagner would say, hey,
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Speaker 1: please come pick out what means the most to you.
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Speaker 1: He never gave her anything, not a piece of jewelry,
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Speaker 1: not a shirt, not a hawk, Lanna, is it true?
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Speaker 1: I went over there with my boyfriend and two of
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Speaker 1: his friends. They had rented a van. I told RJ
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Speaker 1: that I was coming to pick up things, and we
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Speaker 1: came later that day and it took those three guys
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Speaker 1: eight hours and many trips to pick up everything that
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Speaker 1: she left our Jaden had his attorney call and say,
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Speaker 1: RJ wants to keep her furs, and I said fine,
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Speaker 1: And RJ wants to keep her wedding dress and I said, oh, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: my goodness, yes, you know, I certainly won't take that
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Speaker 1: or you know, the first So I did get a
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Speaker 1: ton of Natalie's things, but it was so overwhelming. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if anybody can quite understand. Her closet was
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Speaker 1: bigger than my living room. It was about two I look,
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Speaker 1: wait a minute, wait a minute before people judge her.
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Speaker 1: She was Hollywood royalty and she was at the mine,
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Speaker 1: like you know, have you ever seen Jennifer Lopez come
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Speaker 1: out looking bad? Never know, even when she's going to
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Speaker 1: the gym, she's just awesome. And I would like to
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Speaker 1: point out that during Dancing with the Stars, I actually
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Speaker 1: met her, and can I tell you something. She was flawless.
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Speaker 1: She didn't even look real, just totally perfect skin, perfect care,
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Speaker 1: perfect everything, and sweet and gracious. She didn't know me
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Speaker 1: from Adam's house. But she was so tind to me.
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Speaker 1: So I want to point out that Hollywood stars, they
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Speaker 1: don't want to go out and be photographed looking horrible
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Speaker 1: and it turns up on the front of the Inquirer,
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Speaker 1: which it will, okay, yeah, because everybody wants to drag Dwan.
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Speaker 1: They want to see the pictures of a superstar looking bad.
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Speaker 1: All right, So Natalie was very conscious of that landing.
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Speaker 1: You've told me that she would never go out unless
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Speaker 1: she was perfectly made up, her hair was done, she
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Speaker 1: had on a new outfit or a nice outfit that
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Speaker 1: was just her. Yes, that was her. One time, I said,
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Speaker 1: we're going to the dermatologist. He's going to streak their
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Speaker 1: bakeup off. Why do you do all this? And she said,
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Speaker 1: I do it for my fans because this is who
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Speaker 1: they see, this is who they loved, and therefore when
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Speaker 1: I step out of the house, and that's who I am,
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Speaker 1: and not want to disappoint her fans at all. Crime
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Speaker 1: stories with Nancy Grace in addition to autopsy reports, when
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Speaker 1: I would try a murder case, I would be bring
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Speaker 1: in corroborating extrinsic evidence in addition to an autopsy. I
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Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to our cut sixteen.
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Speaker 1: This is from one of the only witnesses on that
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Speaker 1: ship that night. I went back to Robert Wagner and
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Speaker 1: said she was nowhere, nowhere on the boat. And I said,
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Speaker 1: let's turn on the search light. We had a very
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Speaker 1: big search light, and I said, let's turn on the
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Speaker 1: search lights to see if we cannot, if we can
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Speaker 1: see her. And he says, we're not going to do that.
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Speaker 1: He said no, and I saw all let's call the
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Speaker 1: let's call the restaurant. He said, we're not going to
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Speaker 1: do that either. So we stood there and I was
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Speaker 1: just devastated. I think I was actually in shock. And
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Speaker 1: Robert Wagner poured me a drink, and it was like
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Speaker 1: it was like torture that was going on. Well, I
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Speaker 1: gotta tell you, it's like torture me hearing that story,
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Speaker 1: it's like torture. You got Nadalie Wood, for Pete's sake,
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Speaker 1: out in the water, drowning, drowning at that moment, and
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Speaker 1: Wagner pours the ship captain a drinking goes no, don't
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Speaker 1: go okay, scard, don't turn on the light, sit down
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Speaker 1: and have a drink. I mean, Lanna help me. I know,
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Speaker 1: it's just it's surreal. I can't I can't understand why
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Speaker 1: anyone would feel like that, would react in that way.
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Speaker 1: I mean, as far as looking my dog once got
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Speaker 1: out and I couldn't find him. The entire family was
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Speaker 1: out calling him, going on, spreading out, looking here, looking
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Speaker 1: around the corner, looking in another neighborhood. And that was
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Speaker 1: my dog. The other thing that really troubled me that
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Speaker 1: I feel a negative aspect onto that entire evening is
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Speaker 1: when Natalie was found and taken out of the water.
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Speaker 1: R J didn't go to her side, He did not
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Speaker 1: identify her body. Dennis did. He sent Dennis to do it.
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Speaker 1: You know what, Maybe I am projecting, But when I
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Speaker 1: learned at Keith was dead, when I learned my father
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Speaker 1: was getting put on life support, I ran out into
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Speaker 1: Strait in New York at midnight, dragging my children, trying
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Speaker 1: to hell a cat to get home. I mean, I
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Speaker 1: had to get to him. And even though they told
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Speaker 1: me Keith was dead, I'm like, okay, wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: this is semest up, this isn't right. If I could
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Speaker 1: just get there, I can fix this. I can get
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Speaker 1: him to the hospital. I can get him. Of course
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Speaker 1: I don't know what I was thinking, because there was
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Speaker 1: nothing I could have done. But that is the mode
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Speaker 1: of somebody you love. You want to get there, you
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Speaker 1: want to find out, you want to fix it if
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Speaker 1: you can. Hey, Nancy, I gotta jump in job. Isn't
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Speaker 1: it true that even the oldest daughter learned about her
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Speaker 1: mama's death over a radio at a friend's house. I
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Speaker 1: believe she did. I did. Also, I was called by
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Speaker 1: an old friend of mine. Right, So he's not even
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Speaker 1: sending people to the family. He's not making sure they
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Speaker 1: don't hear it over the radio, sending sending people. Why
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Speaker 1: didn't he pick up that bone? Oh yeah, absolutely? Okay, guys, again,
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Speaker 1: this is not going to make a murder case, but
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Speaker 1: there is a lot of evidence that would make a
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Speaker 1: murder case if the district attorney would get off a
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Speaker 1: thumb and do something. But for some reason that's not happening.
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Speaker 1: Joining us, Alexis terscha crime online dot Com investigative reporter.
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Speaker 1: Give me a recap, Alexis about where this happened, About
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Speaker 1: how her body is found outfloating in the water with
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Speaker 1: socks and a long gown. Tell me the whole thing. Alexis,
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Speaker 1: So this happened on Catalina Island, which is just off
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Speaker 1: the coast of Los Angeles. It's about a They probably
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Speaker 1: took them eight hours to sail over there, but you
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Speaker 1: can see Catalina from Los Angeles. It's not very far
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Speaker 1: away at all. It was there was a casino there
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Speaker 1: back in the day. It was a very fun, short
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Speaker 1: vacation spot for people from Los Angeles. So they take
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Speaker 1: a huge yacht over there and the night disappears, and
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Speaker 1: Robert Wagner tells a couple of different stories. First, he says, oh,
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Speaker 1: you know what, I think she decided she was going
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Speaker 1: to go party hopping, so she left the boat and
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Speaker 1: she was going to go see if she could find
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Speaker 1: some other boats that were having parties. And she leaves
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Speaker 1: as well. When they finally two hours after she first
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Speaker 1: went missing, is when the police were finally called. Two
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Speaker 1: hours And also, the Pacific Ocean is absolutely breathing cold. Wait, Alexis,
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Speaker 1: how did I miss that detail? He originally said that
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Speaker 1: Natalie had gone party hopping, so it was terrible dancy
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Speaker 1: a he said, And then he added, she's that kind
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Speaker 1: of woman. Really, I don't know what that says about you, Jackie.
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Speaker 1: But okay, wait a minute, how did I miss that detail?
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Speaker 1: He actually gave a completely different story, Alexis. He did
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Speaker 1: He told police he thought she'd gone party hopping, and
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Speaker 1: that's why he wasn't worried about her party hopping. She
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Speaker 1: went to her room and put on all her loation
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Speaker 1: toick off her makeup, put on all that lotion, ship
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Speaker 1: put on, put on wool socks over the lotion on
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Speaker 1: her legs and her feet, put on a long flannel
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Speaker 1: down and that's how she was found. How could you
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Speaker 1: not know your wife is thirty feet away in her room.
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Speaker 1: And then Dennis Dafford describes a horrible fight where he
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Speaker 1: had to turn the music up so the guest wouldn't
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Speaker 1: hear the two of them fighting. And he actually said,
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Speaker 1: she's party hoppy, she's that kind of woman. Oh, I
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Speaker 1: didn't understand that, Alexis Terrestia. Go ahead and he tells
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Speaker 1: the police. So there is a search out for her body.
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Speaker 1: First a beanie, but they are not anywhere near each other.
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Speaker 1: And Dannie is a little small boat. The big boat
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Speaker 1: is anchored off the shore. You would take the little
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Speaker 1: d onto shore to go shopping or eat or whatever. Rubber.
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Speaker 1: Not to interrupt, but the d is rubber, go ahead, Yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: it's it's not a big wooden boat. It's just like
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Speaker 1: a little inner tube type thing. So when he found
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Speaker 1: because Robert says, oh, well, she got mcdin she went
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Speaker 1: party hopping. When it was found, it was a neutral.
24:11
Speaker 1: The police officer who found it and the investigators said
24:15
Speaker 1: it looked like it had never been used. So what
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Speaker 1: that means then, Cheryl McCollums, she was pushed off the
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Speaker 1: splend that's the name of the boat that she shared
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Speaker 1: with her husband, Robert Wagner, pushed off and then the
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Speaker 1: purp thought, oh, let's make it look like she went
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Speaker 1: out on the dinghy and let the dinghy go in
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Speaker 1: neutral and then the waves took them the right way. Okay,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupree joining us, I want you to hear
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Speaker 1: this is our cut twenty four. This is the La
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Speaker 1: County Shares Department. Lieutenant John Corrina. Listen, there's actually water.
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Speaker 1: One witness and came forward and heard now her money
24:53
Speaker 1: back liple argument, and what was important about that is
24:59
Speaker 1: being callup. Ring got Dennis Durner saying that is really
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Speaker 1: intense enough, so bad that he had been down to
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Speaker 1: the accounting to check on there because he's worried that
25:06
Speaker 1: there was some kind of assault point on and that's
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Speaker 1: when he was sold the goal away by a robber wager.
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Speaker 1: And then Natalie and Robert Wagner in the bond the
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Speaker 1: back of boat, arguing and then it goes quiet. So
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Speaker 1: both witnesses we're on a different boat near by coll
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Speaker 1: up reading exactly with Dennis, and r was selling us
25:37
Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. So, doctor Michelle Dupree, you
25:44
Speaker 1: have carefully reviewed a it's about a thirty four page
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Speaker 1: revised autopsy, and I want to hear your thoughts now
25:52
Speaker 1: that you know not only what send the revised autopsy,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Dupree, but also that not just Dennis dad n
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Speaker 1: heard R. J. Wagner screaming at Natalie Wood just before
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Speaker 1: she goes overboard. Other people on other boats heard the
26:09
Speaker 1: same thing. He's not making this up. There's corroboration. Nancy.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right. And this is very interesting because we
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Speaker 1: talk about looking at the totality of circumstances, and that's
26:21
Speaker 1: exactly what this case is all about. We take those
26:24
Speaker 1: witnesses into account, we look at the opops report, and
26:27
Speaker 1: injuries are documented clearly documented on this report. They all
26:32
Speaker 1: appear to be fresh injuries. They don't in and of
26:37
Speaker 1: themselves say that this was commiside, but certainly it leaves
26:40
Speaker 1: room for that to be discussed. What are the injuries,
26:43
Speaker 1: doctor de Free. The injuries are superficial bruises and abrasions,
26:48
Speaker 1: which are scratches on the extremities. Now, some of those
26:52
Speaker 1: could happen, of course, when you fall into the water.
26:54
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never been bruised as scratched when
26:57
Speaker 1: I jump into the water. But okay, nor gobye, well
27:01
Speaker 1: not when you jump into the water. But the important
27:04
Speaker 1: thing is is that most of the time when that happens,
27:07
Speaker 1: they're on the bony areas, our knees, our elbows. Why
27:10
Speaker 1: would you get a bruise from falling into the water,
27:13
Speaker 1: because she may she may hit a rock, she may
27:16
Speaker 1: hit the bottom. It could be Let finish fish and
27:23
Speaker 1: let me him. I am trying to dispel, right, Maybe
27:27
Speaker 1: I don't want to hear. Maybe honestly, well, let me finish.
27:32
Speaker 1: So there are also other bruises that are not on
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Speaker 1: those normal places where we would expect to find them.
27:39
Speaker 1: And that's the important part. They're on the back of
27:41
Speaker 1: her calves, they're on her thighs. Those are not places
27:45
Speaker 1: where you would fund injuries normally happening in an accidental
27:49
Speaker 1: kind of case. Okay, hold on right there, Alexis RuSHA.
27:52
Speaker 1: You're hearing doctor Michelle Dupree. She says, some of the
27:55
Speaker 1: bruises may have occurred when Natalie falls gets pushed thrown
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Speaker 1: reward into the water. But you know what, that's never
28:02
Speaker 1: happened to me. When I've jumped off a boat ever,
28:06
Speaker 1: have I gotten a bruise? And it's my understanding. The boat,
28:10
Speaker 1: the Splendor was not anchored out in a rocky area.
28:15
Speaker 1: Where was it anchored is now right off It's right
28:18
Speaker 1: off the coast of Catalina. It's not a rocky area.
28:21
Speaker 1: It's there's help, but there aren't rocks. It's really a
28:25
Speaker 1: very famous actual kelp for us. And what about this?
28:28
Speaker 1: I want you to analyze this. This is again, Lieutenant
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Speaker 1: John Karina. It's Erica twenty nine. Listenunybody, I think we
28:41
Speaker 1: tree times and uh and he refused talking to us.
28:49
Speaker 1: How many times has Robert Wagner refused to talk about
28:53
Speaker 1: the night his wife is killed. Lanta Wood, actress, producer
28:59
Speaker 1: author of a brand new book, Little Sister, My Investigation
29:03
Speaker 1: into the Mysterious Death of Natalie Wood. She's not letting
29:06
Speaker 1: it go, and neither are we. You can read her
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Speaker 1: a book. I downloaded it and read it on Kendall
29:12
Speaker 1: and saw on Amazon Little Sister, My Investigation into the
29:16
Speaker 1: Mysterious Death of Natalie Wood. Okay, Cheryl, there's just so
29:20
Speaker 1: much evidence, so much in the new book. Do you
29:24
Speaker 1: think we should send it? Geff rappit and send it
29:27
Speaker 1: to the lapd Well. I mean, as you know, I've
29:29
Speaker 1: called to them myself, and I'll tell you where I
29:31
Speaker 1: think all their focus needs to be. But I think
29:34
Speaker 1: it's important for people to remember that Natalie divorced Robert
29:38
Speaker 1: Wagner want so. Their marriage clearly had some past issues,
29:43
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. She spent the night before
29:47
Speaker 1: her death on shore because she didn't want to be
29:50
Speaker 1: on that boat with him. Her right for thigh, her knee,
29:54
Speaker 1: her right upper leg, the back of her leg, her
29:57
Speaker 1: right ankle, her neck, her forehead, her brow, her cheek,
30:01
Speaker 1: her left by the back of her right knee, and
30:05
Speaker 1: the back of her right leg. And here's something that
30:08
Speaker 1: really stands out for me. She still had three hundred
30:12
Speaker 1: CC's of urine in her body. That tells me she
30:17
Speaker 1: was not conscious when she went in the water. A
30:20
Speaker 1: live person fighting drownding will void of urine. Yes, Lanna,
30:26
Speaker 1: would you have put this is a labor of love
30:30
Speaker 1: and a quest for justice your knee, but little sister,
30:35
Speaker 1: my investigation into the mysterious death of Natalie. Would Lanna,
30:39
Speaker 1: should I go ahead and ordered on Amazon and send
30:44
Speaker 1: it to the La County Sheriff's Department. You think that
30:47
Speaker 1: might help them get off the pot. I don't know.
30:50
Speaker 1: I wish it would. In the words of Lieutenant John Carina,
30:56
Speaker 1: he said, or all we know is there were two
31:01
Speaker 1: people on the back of a boat fighting, then there
31:06
Speaker 1: was only one. I think that more or less says
31:12
Speaker 1: it all. I mean, alexis Terurez Schuk, you are joining
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Speaker 1: us from laf What is the problem. I don't understand
31:21
Speaker 1: why there are no charges. The problem is is that
31:24
Speaker 1: Robert Wagner is and was a huge star at the time,
31:29
Speaker 1: and his and the investigation they believed him, that they
31:34
Speaker 1: believed what he said. They believed when he said, you know,
31:36
Speaker 1: we had a fight. I went away. I didn't know
31:39
Speaker 1: what happened and we waited. She had a party reputation.
31:43
Speaker 1: They believed him, The investigators believed him. So now all
31:48
Speaker 1: these years later, and it didn't help that the captain
31:52
Speaker 1: of the boat did not tell the truth in the beginning,
31:55
Speaker 1: which he has now said. He told Lanta this, He
31:57
Speaker 1: said this in several interviews. He told you he did
32:01
Speaker 1: not tell the truth in the beginning. So the investigators
32:03
Speaker 1: were not working with the whole story. But now they are.
32:06
Speaker 1: Alexis right. They can suck out a liar, But at
32:09
Speaker 1: the time they didn't have a details. Now you know,
32:11
Speaker 1: there is a new district attorney in Los Angeles. I
32:14
Speaker 1: believe the district attorney who said they needed a smoking
32:17
Speaker 1: gun with the previous one. There is a district attorney
32:20
Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, so this might be a case that
32:25
Speaker 1: they would go after. What about Atlanta Wood. Do you
32:27
Speaker 1: think there's any chance with the new DA in town.
32:30
Speaker 1: I have no idea. I wish, you know, all of
32:34
Speaker 1: these things are hopeful for me, but I won't count
32:39
Speaker 1: on them because he's gone unscathed for far too many years. Yes,
32:46
Speaker 1: he was a star, he was important. He also I
32:51
Speaker 1: think what is not being taken into consideration. She was
32:55
Speaker 1: very well connected. The attorney handling all this, John Ziffren,
33:02
Speaker 1: was mentored by a known fixer for the Las Vegas,
33:11
Speaker 1: Los Angeles mob. It's it's been written about several times.
33:20
Speaker 1: And it's funny because then r J also gave that
33:24
Speaker 1: attorney's son a job on his series Heart to Heart,
33:30
Speaker 1: So he had power and money and the assemblance of
33:37
Speaker 1: what a star should be. People are very taken by
33:42
Speaker 1: all of those things. I don't think they would be today,
33:46
Speaker 1: but they certainly were then. Glada. What do you think
33:49
Speaker 1: Natalie's reaction would be to know you have written and
33:54
Speaker 1: published this book and it's just coming out, guys, I
33:57
Speaker 1: think she would be moved two tears and say thank you,
34:04
Speaker 1: Please keep trying, because you tell me, what is your
34:07
Speaker 1: goal in going forward with this book. I will want
34:12
Speaker 1: the truth out there, the simple, undeluded truth from our
34:20
Speaker 1: J's mouth. That's what I want. I don't care if
34:24
Speaker 1: he's arrested or not arrested. You know, everybody says to me, oh, well,
34:30
Speaker 1: you know, poor man, he's ninety one. Now, I don't care.
34:35
Speaker 1: And my sister will never see ninety one or sixty
34:39
Speaker 1: or seventy or you know, she's gone. She was wrenched
34:45
Speaker 1: from everyone, from her children, from me, from her mom
34:50
Speaker 1: and dad. I mean, you know, so, I can't really
34:53
Speaker 1: feel badly and think that I should make some sort
34:56
Speaker 1: of concession because he's ninety one. I want him to
35:01
Speaker 1: stop all this crazy, absolutely crazy craft and tell the truth.
35:09
Speaker 1: I think the only real way to get even a
35:13
Speaker 1: rough shot at the truth is to convey a grand
35:16
Speaker 1: jury in this matter. The brand new book Little Sister,
35:21
Speaker 1: My Investigation into the mysterious death of Natalie Wood on
35:24
Speaker 1: Amazon and it's pretty incredible. Nancy Grace's crime Stories signing
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Speaker 1: off Goodbye friend,