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Sharri | 20 July · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry, Thanks Andrew and good evening.
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Speaker 3: It is great to be back with you all, and
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Speaker 3: a big story tonight. Security and intelligence figures are supporting
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson's call to ban the burker for new immigrants
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Speaker 3: on national security grounds.
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Speaker 2: I'll get into that in a minute.
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Speaker 3: But it is my first day back from holiday and
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Speaker 3: it's like nothing changed while I was away. Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 3: is still dominating the news agenda with her trademark firebrand
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Speaker 3: style of politics, and Labor and the Coalition are still
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Speaker 3: playing into her hands by continually criticizing her and refusing
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Speaker 3: to address the voter concerns they're at the very heart
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Speaker 3: of her popularity. In the past few days, Hansen has
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Speaker 3: made waves for her overseas trip and her comments at
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Speaker 3: a conservative conference, and footage from her trip has now
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Speaker 3: aired on seven Spotlight with controversial figures including Tommy Robinson
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Speaker 3: taking Hanson through Muslim dominated.
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Speaker 2: Areas of the UK.
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Speaker 3: Here's Hanson and Reform UK and p Robert Jenrick in
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Speaker 3: one of the most multicultural areas of London, Tower Hamlets,
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Speaker 3: where reportedly some sixty five percent of residents were born overseas.
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Speaker 4: It's been really good to come over here in this
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Speaker 4: trip and see what's happening, because it's really making me determined.
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Speaker 4: I was determined beforehand, but more so now because seeing
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Speaker 4: what's happened here, I'm going to hide it.
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Speaker 3: And devisive far right figure Tommy Robinson went on a
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Speaker 3: street walk with Hanson through his hometown of Luton.
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Speaker 4: This I hate see the burger these women covered up.
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Speaker 4: I can't stand it.
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Speaker 1: From this point.
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Speaker 5: Every shop, every business, every home, everything is Muslim.
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Speaker 4: No I don't want this happening in Australia.
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Speaker 1: Is No, it's going to happen. No, No, it's happening.
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Speaker 6: The thing is unless you address the immigration, unless you
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Speaker 6: put a hole on it, unless you stop the.
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Speaker 4: Spread and ban the burker.
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Speaker 1: Face.
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Speaker 4: Yep, I totally agree.
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Speaker 2: Now, this is nothing new.
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Speaker 3: Pauline Hansen has always been against the burker You'll remember
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Speaker 3: that in twenty seventeen she wore it into Parliament to
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Speaker 3: make this point, and then she did the same again
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Speaker 3: last year and it caused a political uproar.
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Speaker 7: Yes, wow, wow.
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Speaker 3: So this is a long standing position of Pauline Hansen's.
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Speaker 2: But I was fascinated to discover that she's not alone
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Speaker 2: in holding this view.
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Speaker 3: While I was doing research for my new book on
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Speaker 3: the Bondai massacre, a very senior security and intelligence figure
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Speaker 3: suggested a similar point to me, unrelated to Pauline Hansen.
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Speaker 3: I had asked a question about the Akram shooters and
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Speaker 3: how the father, Sugit Akram was from India. I said
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Speaker 3: that Indian immigrants play an important role in Australia, so
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Speaker 3: how can you apply in a migration lens to the
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Speaker 3: Bondai attack? And the response to me, again from a
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Speaker 3: very senior national security figure who asked not to be named,
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Speaker 3: is that you stop immigration for families where the women
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Speaker 3: are wearing full coverings. He suggested that if women are
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Speaker 3: being forced to completely cover up the kneecap, then their
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Speaker 3: culture isn't compatible with Australian values.
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Speaker 2: He said.
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Speaker 3: It means they're likely to believe in Sharia law, they
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Speaker 3: wouldn't have a quality for women, and they most likely
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Speaker 3: would interpret the religion in an extreme or literal way.
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Speaker 3: So Hanson's position on the burka is actually supported by
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Speaker 3: some senior figures in our security and intelligence establishment. Now,
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Speaker 3: on the Spotlight segment last night, Hanson herself asked a
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Speaker 3: young Muslim student about Charia law, also about wearing the
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Speaker 3: face covering and even forced marriage, and the interaction was fascinating.
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Speaker 4: Do you believe in Sharia law?
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Speaker 8: Yes?
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Speaker 4: Do you believe that should be allowed here in Australia.
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Speaker 9: Not in Ausraia because it's against law. But if you
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Speaker 9: look that in it's not just Muslim. If you look
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Speaker 9: a non Muslim population.
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Speaker 4: There's also men with multiple lives, but it is occurring
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Speaker 4: here in Australia anyway. Do you believe that you should
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Speaker 4: be allowed to be married off at your parents to
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Speaker 4: her parents choose for you.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't see why there's a problem with because
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Speaker 9: my parents know what's best for me. As long as
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Speaker 9: there's a mutual agreement, if the child themselves is fine
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Speaker 9: with it, then I don't see why there's a problem.
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Speaker 3: Now, that student clearly is articulate and smart and even
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Speaker 3: she understands that Sharia law is incompatible with Australian law
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Speaker 3: and therefore values. Now, the political establishment in the past
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Speaker 3: day have attacked Pauline Hansen for backing the White Australia Policy,
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Speaker 3: but Pauline strongly rejects this. She says she wasn't advocating
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Speaker 3: for the White policy and if you look at her
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Speaker 3: comments carefully, she wasn't. But what followed her comments about
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Speaker 3: the White Australia policy was, in my opinion, the most
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Speaker 3: controversial thing. Pauline said in the Robinson interview and on
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Speaker 3: the program last night, what.
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Speaker 1: Is the immigration policy of Australia.
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Speaker 4: Well, it started in nineteen seventy three with GoF Whitlam.
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Speaker 4: So they opened up and got rid of the White
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Speaker 4: Australia policy. Then they started bringing in the different migrants
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Speaker 4: and they a lot of them couldn't speak English, but
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Speaker 4: they learned to speak English. But over the decade there's
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Speaker 4: the governments have changed and different people they've brought in
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Speaker 4: and a lot of people come into Australia purely for
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Speaker 4: the welfare system.
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Speaker 1: How do you prevent the demographic.
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Speaker 4: I've said it because I'll stop people coming in from
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Speaker 4: radical Islamic countries and.
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Speaker 2: I'll ban the burker.
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Speaker 10: So you've got many Muslims in your country who are
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Speaker 10: relying on You've got four percent.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, so they do breed, they are having children because
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Speaker 4: you know what in the crime says Allah will provide.
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Speaker 6: Well, the Alah is providing Australia corrects all the people
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Speaker 6: going to work well, I guess.
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Speaker 3: What I've had enough, so that, to me was the
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Speaker 3: most controversial and inflammatory comment Pauline accusing Islamic women of
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Speaker 3: breeding for welfare. Yet it's not the comment that's attracted
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Speaker 3: the most media.
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Speaker 2: Attention as far as I can see.
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Speaker 3: It's had just a passing mention by the ABC in
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Speaker 3: an article that focused on her comments about the White
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Speaker 3: Australia Policy. Is Hansen's response that she wasn't advocating for
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Speaker 3: the return of the wide Australia policy, and her deputy
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Speaker 3: Bunnaby Joyce has backed her in on this.
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Speaker 4: There are false allegations that I wanted to introduce the
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Speaker 4: White Australia policy. Not the case. Never ever have I
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Speaker 4: advocated that, and I don't believe in it.
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Speaker 1: Pauline Hansen does not support the White Australia policy. She
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Speaker 1: supports the assimilation and the Australian culture.
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Speaker 3: There's also been enormous outrage coming from the Albanezy government
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Speaker 3: over her European trip. The fact she went to a
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Speaker 3: luxury Italian resort with Gina Reinhardt and that she attended
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Speaker 3: a fashion show for DOCI and Gabana. Well, this is
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Speaker 3: quite hypocritical of labor surely the public should be most
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Speaker 3: angry that the Albanezy government is spending millions of taxpayer
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Speaker 3: dollars on their overseas travel.
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Speaker 2: With teams of staff members.
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Speaker 3: Their travel excesses are sick, including flying their families business
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Speaker 3: class to have a holiday, as Annika Wells is accused
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Speaker 3: of doing.
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Speaker 2: There's great hypocrisy here.
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Speaker 3: Yet, if Pauline wants to be Prime Minister, she also
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Speaker 3: has to be accountable to the public. The City Morning
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Speaker 3: Herald has described a situation where she went to extreme
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Speaker 3: lengths to avoid having to answer questions by journalists about
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Speaker 3: her trip. David Crowe today writes all this hiding became
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Speaker 3: faintly ludicrous.
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Speaker 2: For hours after her speech.
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Speaker 3: Knowing journalists wanted to ask her questions, she stayed out
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Speaker 3: of sight at the plush hotel Ashby that's her chief
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Speaker 3: of staff, James Ashby, would emerge every so often to
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Speaker 3: see if the coast was clear, and he describes Ashby
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Speaker 3: picking a taxi taking a taxi on a loop, this
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Speaker 3: great loop to pick Hansen up from a location where
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Speaker 3: she couldn't be seen to avoid the questions from journalists.
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Speaker 3: Now the journalists were trying to ask her who funded
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Speaker 3: her trip, did Gina Reinhart pay for it? And if
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Speaker 3: she did, will Pauline disclose the value of the gift.
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Speaker 3: David Crowe says journalists also wanted to ask Pauline about
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Speaker 3: whether she agrees with her own Senator Malcolm Roberts when
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Speaker 3: he says he respects Vladimir Putin and when he shared
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Speaker 3: an anti Semitic illustration. The reality is, with Pauline's rise
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Speaker 3: in the polls comes accountability to the public. She clearly
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Speaker 3: wants to follow President Donald Trump's playbook of attacking journalists
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Speaker 3: and media outlets. Those clips when she shares them, go viral,
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Speaker 3: and she may not enjoy answering questions who does, but
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Speaker 3: it's an essential part of democracy and more often than not,
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Speaker 3: journalists have no agenda. They're simply doing the job of holding.
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Speaker 2: Power to account. I'll come back to that shortly.
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Speaker 3: But in a shocking turn of events today, one of
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Speaker 3: the alleged Isis.
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Speaker 2: Brides accused of terror chargers.
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Speaker 3: Was granted bail in Melbourne. Rayane El Hooley will walk
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Speaker 3: free from custody despite compelling evidence that she allegedly filmed
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Speaker 3: her young children learning violent gihat and even quizzed them
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Speaker 3: on killing infidels. Magistrate Brett's Sonnet admitted that while the
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Speaker 3: case against el Hooley was strong, there were exceptional circumstances
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Speaker 3: that justified her release on bail, and the magistrate also
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Speaker 3: said that her risk to the community was relatively low
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Speaker 3: as she hadn't participated in radical elements seeing being back
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Speaker 3: since being back in Australia. Now, as part of her conditions,
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Speaker 3: el Hooley isn't allowed to leave Victoria. She's got to
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Speaker 3: give up all her travel documents. She can't go within
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Speaker 3: one hundred meters of vas place of worship except for
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Speaker 3: a preapproved mosque. But even with the strict supervision, this
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Speaker 3: is an appalling decision that will no doubt and should
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Speaker 3: cause an uproar. This is the second successful bail application
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Speaker 3: by a so called Isis bride. We'll keep you updated
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Speaker 3: with more information as it comes. All right, as I said,
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Speaker 3: I'll come back to Pauline Hanson's Spotlight interview a little
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Speaker 3: later with my panel and Broman Bishop is back tonight
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Speaker 3: plus Steve Price. But first I want to draw your
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Speaker 3: attention to Jennifer Westercott's incredible piece in the Australian Financial
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Speaker 3: Review a few days ago. It's called my father was
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Speaker 3: an anti Semite, and I refuse to stay silent. Jennifer
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Speaker 3: wrote that as a young child, she saw an image
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Speaker 3: on television of two people in striped prison clothing hanging
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Speaker 3: by their necks in a street.
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Speaker 2: She writes, I must have.
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Speaker 3: Been visibly distressed because my father said to me, don't worry.
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Speaker 3: That only happens to the Jews.
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Speaker 2: It's harrowing.
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Speaker 3: But the lesson, Westercott says she learned was that silence,
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Speaker 3: incremental acquiescence, and the comfort of inaction are how hatred
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Speaker 3: gains ground. This is what happened after October seven, twenty
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Speaker 3: twenty three, and it is what this Commission must help
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Speaker 3: us never repeat. It's a powerful, moving piece. It's correct,
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Speaker 3: and it's why I wanted to have Jennifer Webstercott on
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Speaker 3: the program on my first night back. And I'm pleased
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Speaker 3: to say, she joins me. Now, Jennifer, good to see you.
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Speaker 3: Welcome and what an amazing piece. What made you decide
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Speaker 3: to share such a personal story about your own childhood
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Speaker 3: and about your father.
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Speaker 10: Well, a lot of people would be aware that I
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Speaker 10: was one of the few university chancellors that took a
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Speaker 10: stand against anti sims and called it out. I wrote
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Speaker 10: an opinion piece in May twenty twenty four calling on
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Speaker 10: universities to step up and to stamp out anti Semitism,
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Speaker 10: and a lot of people later asked me why did
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Speaker 10: I do that? Why did I kind of step out
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Speaker 10: like that? And I thought about that a lot, and
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Speaker 10: I kind of went back to my childhood. My father
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Speaker 10: was a terrible anti Semite, a racist, hated Aboriginal people.
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Speaker 10: What he would say about Jews and Aboriginal people was
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Speaker 10: just shocking, and to be honest, I have always since
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Speaker 10: felt this sense of shame and guilt that I didn't
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Speaker 10: do more to stand up to him. He was a
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Speaker 10: very violent person, my father. So you know, I think,
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Speaker 10: as a child, you don't do these things. But then
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Speaker 10: as I grew old, as I went to universities, I
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Speaker 10: met Jewish people, as I got an understanding of the Holocaust,
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Speaker 10: when I went and led a delegation to Israel, and
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Speaker 10: I really got that deep, you know, the kind of
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Speaker 10: how the Holocaust is just etched into people's soul, the
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Speaker 10: kind of shockingness of it, the horrific nature of it,
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Speaker 10: the industrialization of murder. You understand why we can't as
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Speaker 10: a society just do anything other than absolutely stamp out
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Speaker 10: anti Semitism. It sits at the corner of this kind
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Speaker 10: of deep seated hatred which I just don't understand. So
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Speaker 10: for me, it was a personal journey. It was this
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Speaker 10: kind of sense that as a young person, did I
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Speaker 10: do enough? Did I stand up to my father? Did
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Speaker 10: I say the things I should have said as a
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Speaker 10: young person, And then you certainly kind of say to yourself, well,
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Speaker 10: I'm certainly not going to do that in my professional life.
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Speaker 10: I'm not going to be silent on this. I'm not
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Speaker 10: going to just kind of let this stuff go. I
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Speaker 10: didn't at my university. The vice chancellor, George Williams and
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Speaker 10: I didn't let it go at our university. We acted
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Speaker 10: on it, and I'm proud that we did.
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Speaker 2: And you should be proud.
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Speaker 3: But I have to say, it's remarkable, truly that you
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Speaker 3: have been one of the genuinely leading figures tackling anti
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Speaker 3: Semitism and virtually alone in.
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Speaker 2: The tertiary education space.
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Speaker 3: And yet you came, you know, from this childhood, with
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Speaker 3: this upbringing, and you must have had a sense even
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Speaker 3: as a child that what he was saying to you
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Speaker 3: what he was teaching you.
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Speaker 2: Was inherently wrong.
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Speaker 3: I mean, where do you think that moral clarity came from?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great question.
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Speaker 10: I was a really deeply Christian kid. I really was
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Speaker 10: a very strong church go and my mother, interestingly, was
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Speaker 10: a devout Christian, and so I spent a lot of
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Speaker 10: time going to church, and you know, that whole kind
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Speaker 10: of principle of Christianity about douant to others to simplify it,
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Speaker 10: and I became deeply committed as a Christian, and I
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Speaker 10: just always had this sense of unfairness in life. That
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Speaker 10: and a kind of rejection of cruelty and a kind
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Speaker 10: of rejection of violence, which you know, my family saw
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Speaker 10: a fair bit of. And I think I was like
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Speaker 10: a shocking I know, it's hard to believe a really
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Speaker 10: shockingly shy kid, but I think that sense of there's
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Speaker 10: just something profoundly wrong with this. And I'll never get
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Speaker 10: the image of those two people hanging out of my
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Speaker 10: head just as a kid.
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Speaker 2: But you know, like what I came.
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Speaker 10: To understand later was that my father's beliefs were commonplace
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Speaker 10: and remain sadly tragically commonplace across many aspects of our society.
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Speaker 10: And so I think if you get into leadership positions,
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Speaker 10: you have to say to yourself, as a leader, you've got,
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Speaker 10: in my view, two responsibilities to act for positive impact
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Speaker 10: and to act with moral clarity and moral consistency. And
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Speaker 10: to me, if we believe in the dignity of people,
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Speaker 10: if we believe in human rights, then we must as
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Speaker 10: a group of leaders absolutely totally and completely reject danty Semitism.
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Speaker 3: I'm going to do an unusual thing and ask you
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Speaker 3: to just pause right there, because we've got to go
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Speaker 3: live just for a minute or two to the uk
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Speaker 3: Kiir starmer is giving his final addresses.
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Speaker 2: PM.
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Speaker 11: Here he is now where our enem is will stop
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Speaker 11: at nothing to divide us because of our values, our freedom,
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Speaker 11: our decency, and frankly because of our unflinching resolve towards
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Speaker 11: the brave people of Ukraine. And so under this attack,
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Speaker 11: it is vital that we remember the greatness of the
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Speaker 11: Britain all around us, that while we debate how to
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Speaker 11: fix our problems, there is something we inherit from our
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Speaker 11: country and our character that can give us confidence that
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Speaker 11: we can change our country for the better, that we
17:38
Speaker 11: can create a Britain where every child can go as
17:41
Speaker 11: far as their talent will take them, and we can
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Speaker 11: unite different people under our common flag if we don't
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Speaker 11: succumb to that division. So as I now pass the
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Speaker 11: baton to Andy Burnham, I wish him every success. He
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Speaker 11: has my full support. And finally I want to thank
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Speaker 11: once again my family, Vic and our children, my team,
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Speaker 11: all the staff here and across the Labor Party, everyone
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Speaker 11: at Number ten and across the civil service, and everyone
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Speaker 11: who has supported our efforts along the way. For all
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Speaker 11: the focus on individuals, politics will always be a team sport,
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Speaker 11: and the changes we've delivered for our country and our
18:29
Speaker 11: party belong to everyone who has fought for them. I
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Speaker 11: thank them again today and I thank the British people
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Speaker 11: for the opportunity to serve. I go with good grace,
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Speaker 11: I go with a smile, and I go proud of
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Speaker 11: everything that we have achieved.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, and I think many other people
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Speaker 3: are seeing him go with a smile too. Will come
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Speaker 3: back to his comments a bit later Cross Life to
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Speaker 3: London with Sophie Ellsworth. But now let's return to Jennifer Westercott.
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Speaker 2: Jennifer, as I.
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Speaker 3: Said before, you were virtually alone in showing really strong
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Speaker 3: leadership on anti Semitism, certainly in that tertiary education space.
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Speaker 3: Do you think that lack of leadership that we saw
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Speaker 3: after the seventh of October is part of the reason
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Speaker 3: that this environment, you know, became so hostile and inflammatory.
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Speaker 3: That was the inevitable culmination in Bondai.
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Speaker 10: I think, like I think it's fair that some universities
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Speaker 10: did act. I think it's not true that we were
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Speaker 10: the only university. I think we certainly took a very
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Speaker 10: strong stance. Look, I think that's a sick do. We
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Speaker 10: didn't act fast enough. We didn't act in a coordinated way.
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Speaker 10: I think we hid behind that concept of free speech,
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Speaker 10: this idea of context. I mean, I said, you know,
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Speaker 10: when I gave a speech last year, how how what
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Speaker 10: content justifies placards.
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Speaker 2: Calling for people to be murdered?
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Speaker 10: You know, what possible context could justify that?
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Speaker 2: And I think.
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Speaker 10: Are part of what I call in my submission to
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Speaker 10: the Royal Commission a collective failure of leadership. I don't
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Speaker 10: think one institution is accountable here. I think as a collective,
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Speaker 10: we just did not kind of get on top of this.
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Speaker 10: We allowed the protests to occur with escalating levels of
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Speaker 10: hatred with escalating calls for violence.
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Speaker 2: We did not stamp this out. We did not act
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Speaker 2: decisively enough.
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Speaker 10: And I think, I say in my submission to me,
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Speaker 10: all of these things collectively created two really important things.
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Speaker 10: The first is to kind of, I guess, legitimize the
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Speaker 10: hate speech, to it legitimize what people were saying, and
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Speaker 10: in legitimizing it, I think creating the antecedens for what
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Speaker 10: happened on the fourteenth of December. The other point I
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Speaker 10: always want to make is I think we've forgotten what
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Speaker 10: happened on the seventh of October. You know, what happened
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Speaker 10: on the seventh of October was a massacre of twelve
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Speaker 10: hundred Jews, the greatest loss of life since the Holocaust.
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Speaker 10: And so when I hear people, not you, of course,
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Speaker 10: but when I hear political commentators talking about October seventh
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Speaker 10: as if it's a political day, it's the massacre and torture,
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Speaker 10: exact and murder of people. And what broke my heart
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Speaker 10: in this country was to see people celebrating it. You know,
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Speaker 10: I was literally soul destroyed by watching people celebrate death.
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Speaker 10: Because I've always regarded myself as a kind person and
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Speaker 10: as a person who believes in the dignity of every
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Speaker 10: human being on the planet. And when I saw people
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Speaker 10: celebrating the death of people and the murder and torture
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Speaker 10: of people, the rape of women, I was just crushed
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Speaker 10: by that as an Australian and so I think it's
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Speaker 10: our collective responsibility.
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Speaker 12: Now.
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Speaker 10: Obviously the Royal Commissioner set a platform just a spell
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Speaker 10: will make you know, a series of recommendations. But I
22:02
Speaker 10: think we've all got to step up. And I think
22:05
Speaker 10: I call on non Jewish Australians to support Jewish Australians
22:09
Speaker 10: and not leave Jewish Australians to do all the heavy lifting.
22:13
Speaker 2: I completely agree.
22:14
Speaker 3: I found it very confusing as well as soul destroying.
22:17
Speaker 3: And yet the narrative then became that the anti Semitism
22:21
Speaker 3: was in response to Israel's military action in Gaza, when,
22:24
Speaker 3: of course, as you describe, it started before any of that,
22:28
Speaker 3: It was purely a celebration of the massacre.
22:31
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I think what has also occurred and look,
22:34
Speaker 10: I understand the legitimate grief that people feel over what
22:37
Speaker 10: happened in Gaza, but I think forces have allowed those
22:41
Speaker 10: things to be conflated to provide cover and legitimacy for
22:45
Speaker 10: anti Semitisms and for the hatred of Jews. And to me,
22:49
Speaker 10: you know, one of the things I think the Commission
22:51
Speaker 10: absolutely has to do is re in state the principles
22:56
Speaker 10: of Australian values and that this is abhorrent to our
22:59
Speaker 10: way up life. Not to re prosecute, and I think
23:03
Speaker 10: Justice Bill's doing a fantastic job, not to reprosecute what's
23:06
Speaker 10: happening in geopolitics, but to say what is the standard
23:09
Speaker 10: that we're going to live by in this country, whether
23:12
Speaker 10: that's anti semitism, when that's broadly around social cohesion and
23:17
Speaker 10: not I think to allow this constant conflation of you know,
23:21
Speaker 10: what is happening in Palestine and the legitimate grief that
23:24
Speaker 10: people feel about that, with an excuse and cover to
23:28
Speaker 10: you know, do you know what has been abhorrent antisemitism.
23:32
Speaker 10: And I was so shocked when I saw some of
23:35
Speaker 10: the social media on people who were giving evidence to
23:39
Speaker 10: the Commission, you know, a democratic process. I mean, it's just,
23:43
Speaker 10: you know, we have to as a collective not just
23:45
Speaker 10: expect Justice Bell will solve all these things.
23:47
Speaker 7: We have to do.
23:48
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I think you're right.
23:50
Speaker 3: I can't thank you enough there are really no words,
23:52
Speaker 3: Jennifer for your incredible and outstanding and I say that
23:57
Speaker 3: in the sense that you stood alone outstanding leadership over
24:01
Speaker 3: the past two and a half years. Thank you, and
24:04
Speaker 3: particularly because it comes from such a deeply traumatic background
24:08
Speaker 3: for you. And I'm so sorry to hear about the
24:11
Speaker 3: violent childhood and upbringing that you had to deal with.
24:14
Speaker 3: Thank you, thank you, Thank you for sharing it with us.
24:16
Speaker 3: Oliver he thank you.
24:17
Speaker 2: Thank you.
24:19
Speaker 3: Very remarkable woman. All right, let's return now.
24:23
Speaker 2: To the political story of the day.
24:24
Speaker 3: The Rise of One Nation News poll shows that One
24:27
Speaker 3: Nation has regained ground in the primary survey. It's neck
24:31
Speaker 3: and neck with Labor on thirty percent each the Coalition
24:35
Speaker 3: sitting on just nineteen percent. And to discuss this, I'm
24:38
Speaker 3: thrilled that back on the show is former Speaker of
24:40
Speaker 3: the House Brohman Bishop and Sky News host Steve Price Brumwein.
24:45
Speaker 2: Welcome back one have you now?
24:48
Speaker 3: I'm sure you have many thoughts on the Rise of
24:50
Speaker 3: One Nation that you've been sitting with at home. So
24:53
Speaker 3: what do you think Where do you think the coalition
24:55
Speaker 3: is going wrong here?
24:57
Speaker 7: Well, I think it's a culmination of things. I really
24:59
Speaker 7: do you think that the electorate has decided that it
25:04
Speaker 7: wants to have a change, a total change of direction.
25:09
Speaker 7: And the dilemma for the coalition is that it is
25:13
Speaker 7: losing votes from its right. The Teals took votes from
25:18
Speaker 7: its left flank, if you like, and One Nation is
25:21
Speaker 7: taking it from the right. That is the larger proportion.
25:25
Speaker 7: So I've said all along that there has to be
25:28
Speaker 7: an accommodation. Once upon a time, the Levels and the
25:32
Speaker 7: Nationals used to run very successful three corner contests in
25:37
Speaker 7: New South Wales because they could bring in a different constituency.
25:42
Speaker 7: Never ran put a stop to that in nineteen eighty
25:46
Speaker 7: and they stop running against each other. It has to
25:50
Speaker 7: be looked at in that context about how you bring
25:54
Speaker 7: additional people into the center.
25:56
Speaker 1: Right.
25:58
Speaker 3: Steve Labour's Parmy vote thirty percent now at the lowest
26:02
Speaker 3: level or equal lowest level since the twenty twenty two election.
26:06
Speaker 3: So you know, do you think alb and Easy but
26:09
Speaker 3: Uncus Taylor as well need to take a different approach
26:12
Speaker 3: to One Nation?
26:14
Speaker 12: Well, I think the approach will be attacked and I
26:16
Speaker 12: think we're starting to see that quite clearly now, and
26:20
Speaker 12: I think it's going to get a lot worse from
26:22
Speaker 12: a personal point of view for Pauline Hanson. She was
26:24
Speaker 12: asked that question last night by Liam Bartlett on Spotlight.
26:28
Speaker 12: I was in the air last night, but I sat
26:30
Speaker 12: down today and watched that entire Spotlight program and he
26:33
Speaker 12: started to chip away at some hint that there was
26:37
Speaker 12: something about her ex husband, and you know, he wanted
26:40
Speaker 12: to go further down the personal track, and Pauline said
26:43
Speaker 12: to him, I wouldn't go there if.
26:45
Speaker 3: I were you.
26:46
Speaker 12: Well, who will go there? Will be the mainstream newspapers
26:52
Speaker 12: of the left. The ABC will go there as well,
26:55
Speaker 12: and the Labor Party and they're presumably they're you know,
26:59
Speaker 12: we'll be feeding this stuff to journalists all over the
27:01
Speaker 12: place and they will attack her even more strongly as
27:05
Speaker 12: these figures, as these polls and there was two of
27:07
Speaker 12: them out today resolve a news poll. As they get worse,
27:11
Speaker 12: they're going to get desperate. And look, the federal election
27:14
Speaker 12: is still a long way away, but there is going
27:17
Speaker 12: to be a state election in New South Wales next
27:19
Speaker 12: year and one here in Victoria the end of November,
27:21
Speaker 12: so she's got to be prepared for it. I think
27:23
Speaker 12: she is. But I don't think the worst of the
27:25
Speaker 12: attacks on her have yet started.
27:28
Speaker 3: But even putting the attacks aside, Broumwin, it does seem
27:32
Speaker 3: like Pauline and James Ashby are overly sensitive when it
27:35
Speaker 3: comes to just regular questions that all politicians get about
27:39
Speaker 3: their travel and accountability.
27:40
Speaker 2: I mean, you know that more well than anyone.
27:42
Speaker 3: Every politician gets asked questions and they can't hide from them.
27:46
Speaker 7: Problem is they don't. There's some rule for socialists and
27:50
Speaker 7: other rule straters. And look at Tony Burke, he took
27:55
Speaker 7: his family on nice holiday. Look at the current Communications minister.
28:01
Speaker 7: Still they're being defended. So there are different rules for
28:04
Speaker 7: different people. And I think perhaps Pauline took the attitude
28:08
Speaker 7: that while she's overseas, she's not going to answer questions.
28:12
Speaker 7: We'll come back here and do it.
28:14
Speaker 13: Now.
28:14
Speaker 7: I've seen prime ministers go overseas and not answer questions.
28:17
Speaker 7: I'll say, oh no, don't comment on Australians.
28:21
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, there are.
28:23
Speaker 7: Different rules for different people. And you're quite right it's
28:26
Speaker 7: going to happen. She will be attacked left, right and
28:30
Speaker 7: center and she has to be ready for it. And
28:33
Speaker 7: believe me, the Labor Party's dirt department is pretty unseen.
28:37
Speaker 8: Me.
28:38
Speaker 2: Oh, it's the best in the business.
28:39
Speaker 7: Well, it's the dirtiest in the business.
28:41
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you can look at it one way or
28:43
Speaker 3: the other. But you know, the Coalition should have its equivalent,
28:47
Speaker 3: but they don't. I mean that by the way, they
28:48
Speaker 3: call it a research department.
28:51
Speaker 7: Well, I forget the name that Paul Keating had for it,
28:54
Speaker 7: but he was the best dirt digger around.
28:58
Speaker 2: All right.
28:59
Speaker 3: Well, let's to the economy now, because the property market
29:02
Speaker 3: is falling even further. New data reveals auction clearance rates
29:07
Speaker 3: dropping below fifty percent nationally and that's of course thanks
29:11
Speaker 3: to Labour's property tax changes. Now, Bromen, this is the
29:17
Speaker 3: real impact of Labour's budget. And you know, some people
29:20
Speaker 3: might be celebrating that house prices are falling, but that
29:23
Speaker 3: is not something to celebrate. Most Australians, their greatest asset
29:27
Speaker 3: is their family home and no one wants that to.
29:29
Speaker 7: Fall correct And not only that, there's a failure to
29:33
Speaker 7: realize that the fifth largest bank in Australia is the
29:37
Speaker 7: bank of Mum and Dad and they are able to
29:42
Speaker 7: lend and assist because their main asset maintains its value. Also,
29:48
Speaker 7: there's no realization or there's about three trillion dollars worth
29:52
Speaker 7: of assets.
29:53
Speaker 1: It's going to go from.
29:54
Speaker 7: The older generation to the next generation, and if the
29:58
Speaker 7: value of the assets come down, the next generation is
30:01
Speaker 7: going to get less. Now, if you're talking about intergenerational equity,
30:06
Speaker 7: this is what you're really talking about, and there's no
30:09
Speaker 7: comment on it.
30:10
Speaker 2: You cannot rip the heart out of.
30:13
Speaker 7: The economy, and the property market is very much tied
30:17
Speaker 7: to the heart of our economy. You can't do that
30:20
Speaker 7: and expect nothing to happen. Banks are changing their behavior,
30:24
Speaker 7: real estate agents changing their behavior. There's going to be
30:28
Speaker 7: loss of jobs resulting from this, and probably they're going
30:33
Speaker 7: to have to do what Keating did when he tried
30:35
Speaker 7: to do it and reverse the policy.
30:37
Speaker 3: Well, let's hope they do. Steve Brommin's right, huge flow
30:40
Speaker 3: and effects.
30:42
Speaker 12: Yeah, and look the way, we haven't mentioned developers because
30:45
Speaker 12: the other change to this is of course the capital
30:47
Speaker 12: gains advantages, and so at these auctions that we're now
30:51
Speaker 12: seeing and that graph was really quite striking how it
30:54
Speaker 12: has fallen so quickly, and the developers are just walking
30:57
Speaker 12: away from auctions for existing proper because they now can't.
31:02
Speaker 12: You can't negatively gear it, and your capital gains tax
31:06
Speaker 12: is now a problem for you. And so if you
31:08
Speaker 12: were going to put your hand up at an auction
31:10
Speaker 12: as a developer, or even if you were a small
31:13
Speaker 12: time investor who was just going to buy yourself a
31:16
Speaker 12: secondhand small unit to have in your retirement, that's all
31:20
Speaker 12: just disappeared. I mean, I spoke to a real estate
31:22
Speaker 12: agent in the part of the world where I live,
31:24
Speaker 12: he said, and he's in his mid sixties. He said
31:27
Speaker 12: he has never seen a collapse in a market like
31:30
Speaker 12: he's seeing where he is operating now. A lot of
31:32
Speaker 12: those places are and were second homes for people, holiday houses,
31:38
Speaker 12: but it's just collapsed, he said. There is no movement
31:40
Speaker 12: at all. And that's in one part of Australia, but
31:43
Speaker 12: I suspect it's happening all around the country. And of
31:45
Speaker 12: course it's worse here in Victoria because we have this
31:48
Speaker 12: incredibly high land tax put in by Daniel Andrew Zan
31:52
Speaker 12: and Jacinda Allen because the state government's broke.
31:54
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely everything's works in Victoria, not just that,
31:59
Speaker 3: all right, Rob and Bishop. Wonderful to have you back.
32:02
Speaker 3: Steve Price, great to see you again. Sorry it was
32:04
Speaker 3: slightly short because of the Keir Starmer's speech puts us
32:08
Speaker 3: all out doesn't.
32:09
Speaker 7: He he did nothing.
32:11
Speaker 2: We'll see you both next Monday. Thank you and still
32:15
Speaker 2: to come.
32:15
Speaker 3: Why FIFA officials, I should President Trump off stage at
32:19
Speaker 3: the World Cup final early this morning. I'm sure there's
32:22
Speaker 3: many tied people tonight. Plus I'll tell you how many
32:25
Speaker 3: people have changed their gender on their birth certificate. That's
32:29
Speaker 3: with Ray Hadley after the break, Well, I'll tell you
32:35
Speaker 3: one person I missed while I was away is radio
32:39
Speaker 3: legend Ray Hadley, and he joins me.
32:41
Speaker 2: Now, Ray, good to see you.
32:43
Speaker 5: You've been greatly missed, and so have you everywhere I
32:46
Speaker 5: gave people, So coming back, I should you got to
32:48
Speaker 5: be watching Monday night, should be back.
32:50
Speaker 3: I want to start with federal politics because Pauline and
32:53
Speaker 3: Albow now neck and neck in terms of primary Angus
32:56
Speaker 3: Taylor far behind, trailing nineteen percent. Is this now a
33:01
Speaker 3: permanent cemented trend?
33:03
Speaker 5: Do you think I was doing some stuff for the
33:05
Speaker 5: Telly last week, and I was talking about all the
33:07
Speaker 5: drama surrounding her with meeting Tommy Robinson and Dolcy Gebarna,
33:11
Speaker 5: fashion Chas and all the rest of it.
33:13
Speaker 1: And I didn't know what all the fuss was about.
33:15
Speaker 1: But she attracts it.
33:16
Speaker 5: And I think now she's waken to the fact the
33:19
Speaker 5: more strife she gets in, the better people like her. Yeah,
33:23
Speaker 5: and so she's sort of I think she's smart enough
33:25
Speaker 5: to think, well, I'm going to keep doing this because
33:28
Speaker 5: it is a point of difference to what's happening back
33:31
Speaker 5: in Australia. And the one thing I'd say, I expect
33:34
Speaker 5: Anthony Alberesi.
33:35
Speaker 1: And Labor to bag the tripe out of it.
33:37
Speaker 5: But the definition of insanity is doing the same thing
33:40
Speaker 5: over and over again and expecting a different result. Now,
33:44
Speaker 5: Angus Taylor, stop bagging her because all it does is
33:49
Speaker 5: promoter I mean, somewhere along the line, as I've said
33:52
Speaker 5: many times, if you want to beat Labor, there's a
33:56
Speaker 5: coalition to be formed, as unpalatable as it may be
33:59
Speaker 5: to say, the national part of the Liberal Party and
34:02
Speaker 5: one nation. She's now lapping the Liberal Party lapping. It's
34:07
Speaker 5: one thing to be equal with the Prime Minister. But
34:10
Speaker 5: I mean Angus Taylor as Sooners and there are other
34:14
Speaker 5: members of the opposition did the same thing. As soon
34:17
Speaker 5: as she does something, they put her back in the spotlight.
34:20
Speaker 5: It's madness, it's absolute madness, and she just thrives on it.
34:23
Speaker 2: I agree with you.
34:24
Speaker 3: The public sympathy is with her, and the more people
34:27
Speaker 3: attack her, the more public sympathized with her. It's kind
34:29
Speaker 3: of like Donald Trump in the early years when there
34:32
Speaker 3: were all these scoundals thrown at him and it didn't
34:35
Speaker 3: make a difference.
34:35
Speaker 2: It was you know, teflon. But I think the thing
34:38
Speaker 2: that just to pick up on.
34:39
Speaker 3: Your point, if you put the primary votes together, the
34:42
Speaker 3: conservative parties have fifty percent of the primary vote, and
34:47
Speaker 3: yet you know they're attacking each other instead of talking
34:49
Speaker 3: about it a preference deal.
34:51
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, she doesn't attack them. She has, you know,
34:53
Speaker 5: a crack every now and then. But I think she
34:56
Speaker 5: just relishes in the fact that the more outrageous she becomes,
34:59
Speaker 5: the think leus she becomes.
35:01
Speaker 1: Because I was saying, well, I don't know how it's
35:02
Speaker 1: going to work with the polls. H Well, it's worked
35:06
Speaker 1: really well for her.
35:07
Speaker 3: You know. I think that strategy is working. I don't
35:09
Speaker 3: think she realizes that. I think she's getting very sensitive
35:13
Speaker 3: about the criticism, and I think she should embrace your
35:15
Speaker 3: attitude of you know, it works for her. All publicity
35:19
Speaker 3: is good publicity as far as Pauline ounces.
35:22
Speaker 1: No doubt about it.
35:22
Speaker 5: And she struck a chord with many people in the electorate,
35:25
Speaker 5: many people. I mean, the wakeness has overtaken us. There's
35:29
Speaker 5: no doubt about it. I mean, you know, I remember
35:32
Speaker 5: the great comedian Vince Surrendi went on the RAID a
35:34
Speaker 5: couple of years ago, and his too was called I'm Offended,
35:39
Speaker 5: and the whole show was about people being offended. No
35:41
Speaker 5: matter what you do, someone's offended. And I think Pauline
35:45
Speaker 5: is out there offending as many people as she can
35:47
Speaker 5: because many Middle Australians are sick, particularly people in the
35:51
Speaker 5: older age back I'm not talking about people in wayage.
35:53
Speaker 5: I'm talking thirty five plus. I mean, they grew up
35:56
Speaker 5: with this wakeness. They've had enough of the wakeness.
35:58
Speaker 3: And people also worried Spondai, which is really when Horiz began.
36:02
Speaker 3: All right, let's talk about one of these issues that
36:04
Speaker 3: links to wokeness.
36:05
Speaker 2: The changing genders.
36:07
Speaker 3: So these figures that have come out would show that oney,
36:12
Speaker 3: seven hundred people have changed genders formally on their birth
36:15
Speaker 3: certificate since last July, and Ray, we're learning just how.
36:19
Speaker 2: Easy it is.
36:20
Speaker 5: Well a story by Matthew Benson. Congratulations to him for
36:24
Speaker 5: doing it. So it turns out over one thousand men
36:27
Speaker 5: have changed their gender on their birth certificate to be women.
36:31
Speaker 1: Five hundred or more women have done the opposite. Eighty
36:34
Speaker 1: children are.
36:36
Speaker 5: Able to seek the same sort of redress, and that's
36:39
Speaker 5: under the age of eight.
36:40
Speaker 1: And obviously, and what happened here.
36:43
Speaker 5: Alice Greenwich is in the lower House of the New
36:46
Speaker 5: Southwest Parliament for people in other states. The Labor Party
36:49
Speaker 5: has forty six. They need forty seven they have a majority.
36:53
Speaker 5: So Alex Greenwich has joined at the hip with Clover Moore,
36:57
Speaker 5: the Sydney Lord Mayor. So he joins with her about
37:00
Speaker 5: more Park golf course, and all of a sudden, Chris
37:03
Speaker 5: Mins falls over himself to cut it in half, against
37:07
Speaker 5: much opposition, including the local federal Labor member who said
37:10
Speaker 5: this is stupid, But somehow Chrismins does it. And so
37:14
Speaker 5: I start to think, well, maybe because Alice Greenwich delivers
37:18
Speaker 5: him a vote to get the forty seven, then all
37:20
Speaker 5: of a sudden we get this equality or gender debate.
37:23
Speaker 5: So Alice Greenwich drafts it. He's not in government, but
37:26
Speaker 5: he drafts it. So if you wish to change your
37:29
Speaker 5: gender on your birth certificate, than New South Wales and
37:32
Speaker 5: I'm not exaggerating. You need a stat deck obviously your
37:36
Speaker 5: signature witness by a JP. You need proof of identity
37:40
Speaker 5: and then you need seventy three dollars. If you live
37:43
Speaker 5: in Queensland and Victoria and you want to come to
37:45
Speaker 5: New South Wales and reregister your car in New South Wales,
37:49
Speaker 5: it'll cost you more and you'll need to fill in
37:51
Speaker 5: more form than if you change your identity on your
37:54
Speaker 5: birth certific Now that is extraordinary with children with children
37:58
Speaker 5: under eighteen need proof of identity obviously stat deck. Then
38:03
Speaker 5: you need a stat deck or both parents to say
38:06
Speaker 5: we need to do this, and you need a statement
38:08
Speaker 5: from a counselor. Now, whether it's children under eighteen or adults,
38:12
Speaker 5: there is not a gender medical specialist anywhere inside. And
38:17
Speaker 5: the only reason Chris means I said I'd identify you
38:20
Speaker 5: tonight on the program, having talked about it on the
38:22
Speaker 5: Telegraph today is to curry favor with Alex Greditch to
38:26
Speaker 5: make sure you get his vaite and that Chris is
38:28
Speaker 5: a disgrace, an absolute disgrace.
38:31
Speaker 3: Kelly Sloan, the opposition leader, is she's come out against this,
38:36
Speaker 3: She's actually going to be on the show this week
38:37
Speaker 3: Wednesday night to talk about that issue.
38:40
Speaker 1: So we'll hear from be worth watching? We were worth watching?
38:42
Speaker 2: Yeah sure, yeah exactly.
38:44
Speaker 3: Look, just to end ray, we had the Prime Minister
38:49
Speaker 3: standing up beside the Islamophobia Envoy on the weekend they
38:52
Speaker 3: were releasing this Islamophobia Report where he adopted the vast
38:56
Speaker 3: majority some thirty five of the fifty three recommendations.
38:59
Speaker 2: I have a quick look the PM and the envy.
39:03
Speaker 5: Hate directed at one community hurts us all because how
39:07
Speaker 5: diversity is one of Australia's great strengths.
39:11
Speaker 3: Today is not the conclusion of this process and continuing
39:14
Speaker 3: work in areas where agreement has not yet been reached.
39:19
Speaker 3: Now there's complaints that the PM didn't adopt all of
39:22
Speaker 3: the recommendations, but I mean one of them was to
39:25
Speaker 3: change the definition of counter terrorism, which if anything needs strengthening.
39:30
Speaker 5: Well, look, I'll share this with your audience and if
39:33
Speaker 5: anyone can understand this, I want them to explain it
39:37
Speaker 5: to me if you see me in the street. Australia's
39:39
Speaker 5: first longitudinal study of Islamophobia. The Government will consider how
39:44
Speaker 5: finding from this project can be analyzed, including consideration of
39:49
Speaker 5: gendered impacts because we are apparently dangerously close.
39:53
Speaker 1: To being normalized when it comes to Islamophobia.
39:56
Speaker 5: Now that gobbledegook, if anyone can understand, that's the Prime
40:00
Speaker 5: Minister talking. I mean, he's not that smart and his
40:04
Speaker 5: speech writer has written something which is unintelligent, just absolute rubbish.
40:09
Speaker 5: And in relation to I guess we should be happy
40:12
Speaker 5: that he's not having an inquiry or a commission of
40:15
Speaker 5: some description that was requested by the envoy.
40:18
Speaker 1: But at the end of the.
40:19
Speaker 5: Day, all this stuff I'm talking about, and what we
40:25
Speaker 5: just saw then is why Pauline Hanson's gaining craction.
40:28
Speaker 1: That's why she's going craction.
40:29
Speaker 3: Yeah, And just on that point, you know a lot
40:32
Speaker 3: of people say, oh, who would you prefer as Prime
40:34
Speaker 3: Minister paul enhancement Anthony Albernezi. I mean that's just an
40:36
Speaker 3: endorsement for Pauline because Albow's no smarter.
40:40
Speaker 1: Right, Ray, Good to have you, Okay, I'll be back
40:42
Speaker 1: next week.
40:42
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you so much.
40:45
Speaker 3: All right, and there's still a lot more to come
40:47
Speaker 3: in the show. There's been live news in the UK
40:50
Speaker 3: with Keir Starmer giving his final speech. Good reddance to him,
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Speaker 3: plus President Trump ushered off stage at the World Cup
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Speaker 3: final after causing a stir and will cross life to life.
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Speaker 3: That's next, welcome back. Well, let's return to the UK.
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Speaker 3: Where as we just heard a little earlier, Keir Starmer
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Speaker 3: has said goodbye to number ten in an emotional farewell, and.
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Speaker 11: I thank the British people for the opportunity to serve.
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Speaker 11: I go with good grace, I go with a smile,
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Speaker 11: and I go proud of everything that we have achieved.
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Speaker 11: Thank you very much.
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Speaker 3: And as we speak, he's now on his way to
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Speaker 3: buck Emhum Palace to meet with the King to formally resign.
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Speaker 3: We're joining me now to discuss his news. Corp Australia's
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Speaker 3: europe correspondent Sophie Ellsworth. Sophie, great to see you. All right,
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Speaker 3: So Starmer's out, he's on his way to buckmun Palace.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about the process.
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Speaker 3: And also we've got to pick up on that comment
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Speaker 3: that he made in his speech that the UK is
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Speaker 3: in a stronger and fairer place than it was two
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Speaker 3: years ago.
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Speaker 2: Many would disagree with that. Great to be with you, Shari.
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Speaker 6: Yes, just in the last few moments since we began talking,
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Speaker 6: Sekir Starmer has arrived at Buckingham Palace. So this is
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Speaker 6: where he has a private meeting with His Majesty, he
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Speaker 6: officially resigns from the position and then in the following
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Speaker 6: hours we will see the inauguration really of Andy Burnham
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Speaker 6: as the fifty ninth Prime Minister. Now those comments that's
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Speaker 6: the key and made out the front of ten Downing Street.
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Speaker 6: The country is in a stronger and a better position
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Speaker 6: since he came into office two years ago, I would
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Speaker 6: argue is quite debatable because the polls are not showing
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Speaker 6: in Labour's favor and there's a lot of people very
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Speaker 6: angry at the government here with the state of issues
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Speaker 6: in Britain.
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Speaker 2: But Shari, the new.
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister, is coming in saying he has hope, he
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Speaker 6: wants to do politics different and there's a lot of
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Speaker 6: Britain's hoping that he will be correct in saying that
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Speaker 6: life will be better under his reign.
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Speaker 3: He's not that much of a better candidate, though, is he.
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Speaker 2: We'll Sharry.
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Speaker 6: A lot of the debate here has been that he's
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Speaker 6: more left wing than Secure Starmer. He's spoken very little
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Speaker 6: about what his policies actually are and people are annoyed
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Speaker 6: because they're saying he's got the ten keys to ten
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Speaker 6: Downing Street. He's the most powerful person in the country.
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Speaker 6: He only won a by election a month ago on
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Speaker 6: twenty or thirty thousand votes, But we don't know a
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Speaker 6: lot about what he stands for, Shari, because he hasn't
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Speaker 6: come in with a mandate. So a lot of Britain's
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Speaker 6: here are flying blind about the former Greater Manchester mayor
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Speaker 6: now coming into ten Downing Street and running the country.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, indeed, all right.
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Speaker 3: And of course now that you know, with the shock
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Speaker 3: resignation over the past week of Nigel Farage, it's not
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Speaker 3: really obvious who the leading candidate.
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Speaker 6: Is British politics, Sharry really is in turmoil. We know
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Speaker 6: that Nigel Frage has that by election that's going on.
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Speaker 6: We've now got a new prime minister coming in the
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Speaker 6: seventh in ten years. There's been so much upheaval here.
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Speaker 6: Many voters are disgruntled with the two major parties. That's
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Speaker 6: why they're looking to reform. But reform have their own issues.
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Speaker 6: So I can assure you one thing, Sharry, it certainly
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Speaker 6: is a very exciting time to be here reporting on
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Speaker 6: British politics because there's an awful lot of turmoil right now.
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Speaker 3: Exciting for journalists and depressing for voters, that's for sure,
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Speaker 3: all right, Sophie Elsbeth, thank you very much for your insights.
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Speaker 3: And after the breakaway, President Trump is in the spotlight
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Speaker 3: after the World Cup finals this morning, and where the
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Speaker 3: war in Iran is heading. It's after this quick break. Well,
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Speaker 3: the World Cup has wrapped up in the US. But
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Speaker 3: it's not just Argentinian fans who are unhappy. Some critics
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Speaker 3: have come out in droves to slam the Spectacle's first
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Speaker 3: ever halftime show, which featured megastar acts like Justin Bieber
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Speaker 3: and Coldplay, but fans were reportedly disappointed when Madonna was
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Speaker 3: spotted lip syncing her performance have a Look.
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Speaker 2: Big, Please Come Together.
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Speaker 3: And this even prompted retired soccer superstar Wayne Rooney to
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Speaker 3: say this.
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Speaker 11: I like a lot of the maths.
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Speaker 3: I thought it was cut and joining me now is
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Speaker 3: Sky News contributor Kosher Gata Kosher is Rooney right.
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Speaker 8: Great to be back with you, Sharry. Look, I think
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Speaker 8: if you think of it as the product itself and
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Speaker 8: what the performance was like and the lip syncing, and
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Speaker 8: people said it was a hodgepodge of too much star power,
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Speaker 8: too many people packed into this eleven minute segment. Probably
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Speaker 8: hard to disagree, but I think if you zoom out
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Speaker 8: and just look at it for what it is, which
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Speaker 8: is something that the US does very well. The halftime
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Speaker 8: show at the super Bowl is world famous. It's on
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Speaker 8: US soil. They decided to bring that format here. It
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Speaker 8: was only eleven minutes and that as an entertainment product,
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Speaker 8: which is ultimately what sports is. And the halftime show
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Speaker 8: what it did is it allowed them to extend the
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Speaker 8: ad revenue that came through something like ten billion dollars
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Speaker 8: in new ad revenue. Because of the halftime show. They
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Speaker 8: raised one hundred million dollars for the FIFA's charitable fund
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Speaker 8: that tries to push soccer in for kids around the
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Speaker 8: world and under privileged countries and so on and so forth.
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Speaker 8: So from that perspective, I think we can take a
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Speaker 8: positive look at it, even if Madonna has probably seen
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Speaker 8: her best days behind her.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's for seal, that's thinking never good.
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Speaker 1: Look.
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Speaker 3: Then, of course there was President Donald Trump. He caused
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Speaker 3: a stir any photobombed Spain holding up the trophy, and
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Speaker 3: the FIFA, well, the head of FIFA had to usher
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Speaker 3: him off stage.
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Speaker 2: So what was this about? Kosher?
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Speaker 3: Is this Trump trying to get attention or thinking that
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Speaker 3: the president would normally be there.
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Speaker 8: I think it was Trump who will always want to
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Speaker 8: be Trump. He is somebody who really understands media, and
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Speaker 8: he understands the power of cultural moments, and he understands
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Speaker 8: the power of history books and these cultural moments that
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Speaker 8: will live on in history books, and especially as it
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Speaker 8: relates to photography and imagery. I think he knew exactly
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Speaker 8: what he was doing. He doesn't care if it would
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Speaker 8: breach protocol. It was being held, of course in the US,
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Speaker 8: in New Jersey, and he's the first sitting president to
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Speaker 8: have been in attendance for a World Cup. He knows
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Speaker 8: how many eyeballs it will saw this but live as
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Speaker 8: well as later on, and I think he just was
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Speaker 8: going to see that moment come with me, all right.
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Speaker 3: Well, turning to Iran, now, I mean it's although nothing
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Speaker 3: has changed while I was away, because it's still on again,
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Speaker 3: off again, Aroun will US now entering the ninth consecutive
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Speaker 3: night of strikes in a run. Sadly, three service members
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Speaker 3: were killed in Jordan and Iraq. Now, Trump says the
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Speaker 3: strikes were in honor of those who were killed here.
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Speaker 13: He was we hit him very hard again tonight, and
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Speaker 13: we did that in honor of the probably three it's
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Speaker 13: probably three, as opposed to too great patriots.
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Speaker 2: The kosher ware does this go now?
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Speaker 8: I think you're right. It really feels like it's just
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Speaker 8: stuck in a loop and the clock is ticking, which
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Speaker 8: is to Run's advantage, because they are well aware of
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Speaker 8: the domestic pressures that Trump is under. His popularity on
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Speaker 8: this issue continues to go downwards, and each time there
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Speaker 8: is a casualty I think it's seventeen almost eighteen now,
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Speaker 8: as much as four hundred people wounded. That doesn't help
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Speaker 8: his cause. And certainly the people that are not supportive
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Speaker 8: of the war and have never been supportive, just don't
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Speaker 8: think that the cost of benefit equation here makes sense.
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Speaker 8: So it feels like he is still searching for that
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Speaker 8: exit ramp with something that he can point to that
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Speaker 8: cause it a win. Around those three points, no nuclear
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Speaker 8: ambitions to be fulfilled, the Strait of horror moves cannot
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Speaker 8: be restricted, and decimating their military capabilities, including the proxies
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Speaker 8: that one's a bit fuzzy. The strait of hormuves. Of course,
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Speaker 8: if it remains tax that's all worse off than where
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Speaker 8: we were before, so I don't think he's going to
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Speaker 8: want that to stand, and then the nuclear ambitions will
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Speaker 8: probably be something like a paper win that he can
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Speaker 8: point to in order to get out. But until then,
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Speaker 8: I think we just will continue to be in this
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Speaker 8: merry go round stale meat Well.
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Speaker 3: I mean, the issue is that any resolution is relying
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Speaker 3: on an agreement, and Iran just simply will not agree
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Speaker 3: to give up its nuclear ambitions or to have the
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Speaker 3: enriched uranium removed, and that's ultimately what it comes down to.
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Speaker 3: So I don't really see a way out at this point. Koshagada,
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Speaker 3: thank you so much for your time. Great to have
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Speaker 3: you on, And just before I go, a huge thank
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Speaker 3: you to my wonderful colleagues Caroline Marcus, James McPherson and
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Speaker 3: Caleb Bond for filling in so beautifully while I was away.
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Speaker 3: I'm told you did incredible jobs and really appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: I've missed everyone at home and I'm so pleased to
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Speaker 3: be back and we'll get into it with big stories
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Speaker 3: and use the whole week.
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Speaker 2: That's it from me up now. Paul Murray