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Who's Really Behind the Curtain? | Matthew Lynn Guthrie · Radically Genuine

• 00:00:07:13 - 00:00:09:22 Speaker 4 Matthew Lynn Guthrie. Welcome, my friend. 00:00:09:23 - 00:00:11:16 Speaker 3 Thank you for having me. 00:00:11:18 - 00:00:14:13 Speaker 4 Well, can you start off by telling us a little bit about your sister? 00:00:14:16 - 00:00:44:15 Speaker 3 My sister? I was very lucky. My sister is no longer with us. My sister passed away in 1993. From as far as I know, my parents would probably know better at this point because it's even still, to me, a mystery. It's complications from Rocky Mountain spotted fever, and it's a tick borne illness. And if you don't treat it within about a two week period, then it becomes very fatal and you start experiencing like, you know, organ failure and system shutdown. 00:00:44:16 - 00:01:06:19 Speaker 3 Right. So the unfortunate thing is that the hospital that she died in, all they needed to give her was one bag of a very common antibiotic called tetracycline, which was all over the place. And there's probably a pallet of it in the hospital that they could have given her. So if they just would have taken tetracycline and just put it in her IV, she'd be alive today. 00:01:06:21 - 00:01:25:22 Speaker 3 But yeah, that was a you know, I was nine years old and she was seven when that happened. But we were best friends. I mean, we we loved each other so much. You know how when, when kids like, when you're the first born, and then there's another one and there's some kind of, like, jealousy that people experience? I did not experience that at all. 00:01:26:00 - 00:01:40:05 Speaker 3 Of course, I don't remember a lot of this. My mom would tell me, but you could not keep me out of her crib. Like I would climb into her crib just to just to be with her. But yeah, we were so close, man. We were so close. We still are. You know, that's kind of. She's on the other side. 00:01:40:07 - 00:02:03:08 Speaker 3 And I know that this was part of an agreement that we both made. But, you know, I can tell you when you question whether or not there is life beyond death, when the closest person to you passes away and the next morning that you are now living a life where she's not there and she wakes you up to tell you, is there? 00:02:03:10 - 00:02:23:23 Speaker 3 Because that was the first thing I heard that morning was Matt. Matt. Matt. Like, she's trying to get my attention and I could hear her, but I couldn't see her. But there's no doubt and there's no doubt at all at that moment when you have an experience like that, that life continues and that life is an illusion and that we should not be afraid of death. 00:02:24:01 - 00:02:26:10 Speaker 2 What did your sister tell you? 00:02:26:12 - 00:02:46:17 Speaker 3 Well, from what I remember that morning, it was just. It was just my name, you know? But, I mean, I've grown up. How long has this been? 30 something years. I mean, I've grown up 33 years. I've grown up with that experience where, like, my little sister is now sort of my big sister, you know, on this other side of this experience. 00:02:46:17 - 00:03:01:01 Speaker 3 So it's I would do anything to have her with me today and, and experience that like, but I know that I didn't lose anybody. 00:03:01:03 - 00:03:18:08 Speaker 4 Seven years old tragedy. Yeah. I think we could all agree that one of the most traumatic or difficult things that could happen in a life is the loss of a child. Yeah. What was the impact on your family? 00:03:18:10 - 00:03:30:09 Speaker 3 I mean, it's devastation in a way that you can only know if you go through it, you know, because that was the thing is, like when that happened. 00:03:30:11 - 00:03:35:01 Speaker 3 Sorry. When that happened. 00:03:35:02 - 00:03:40:09 Speaker 3 She was telling me I should back up a little bit. 00:03:40:11 - 00:03:58:09 Speaker 3 When she was in the hospital and when she was, you know, really sick because, you know, imagine my mom is she's just the symptoms start where, you know, it's like you're having some kind of flu. Your fever is getting bad. You're having a headache. But when we were out of town, we were staying at my grandparents, and she just went and just kept getting sicker and sicker. 00:03:58:09 - 00:04:14:17 Speaker 3 And it's like, no matter what we did, she went to three different doctors. And no matter what they gave her, she just kept getting sicker. And my cousin was graduating high school, so we were up there for that. And then like the next day after that, in the middle of the night or my excuse me, my, my mom and Whitney had driven back to where we lived. 00:04:14:17 - 00:04:28:11 Speaker 3 She's about four hours away from where my grandparents are. So a couple days later, my dad wakes me up in the middle of the night and says, we have to go right now. Something's wrong with Whitney. She's being rushed to the hospital and I'm like, what? You know, so we're 4 to 5 hours away from where she's at at this point. 00:04:28:11 - 00:04:49:01 Speaker 3 So we leave it like 2 or 3:00 in the morning and we get there. And I remember, I remember this doctor, which this will play into the rest of this conversation big time. Remember this doctor who was not our primary care physician. He was our primary care physician that had seen Whitney and our whole lives, was out of town on vacation during the exact two weeks this happened to Whitney. 00:04:49:01 - 00:05:06:16 Speaker 3 And there was another doctor that we saw that we didn't know. And this was the physician that saw us. And I will never forget, you know, my mom was torn apart. And I remember when I walked in the room, Whitney had already experienced organ failure in a way. She didn't know who people were, so she didn't know who anybody was at this point. 00:05:06:16 - 00:05:25:13 Speaker 3 And she's in the hospital bed. And I remember walking into that, realizing how traumatic this is. And I went to the other side of the room. So I'm sitting on the opposite side of the room. My sister's in this hospital bed, my mom sitting next to me. The door to the hospital is over here or to the room. 00:05:25:13 - 00:05:42:01 Speaker 3 Doctor comes in. My sister's about blue, like she can, you know, like she's experiencing an organ failure to a point where her body is swelling. And, I mean, I don't even understand all of the metabolic things that are happening. But she doesn't. She can't even talk. She doesn't know who we are. She's just shaking her head like she's staring. 00:05:42:06 - 00:06:00:15 Speaker 3 She'd stare up at the ceiling, which I realized, you know, at the time and even years later, somebody there saying, it's okay. My mom told me like a day or two before that happened. 00:06:00:17 - 00:06:03:12 Speaker 6 It's been a while. 00:06:03:14 - 00:06:26:15 Speaker 7 Since I've had to think about that, but my sister asked my mom. Am I going to die? Can you imagine that? Can you imagine what it's like to be a parent, to look your daughter and I and I have to tell her no, it's okay when you don't know. 00:06:26:17 - 00:06:33:17 Speaker 3 So, you know, when I'm sitting there, this doctor walks into the room and he just puts a tongue depressor in her. 00:06:33:17 - 00:06:34:01 Speaker 7 Mouth. 00:06:34:01 - 00:06:56:15 Speaker 3 And says. Your daughter's going to be fine. And I think she said something about the fact that she's just spoiled, something like that, which is just so inhuman and strange. And then she turns to my mother and says, we need to get you on a prescription for, like, Valium or something like that, which was horrifying. I remember being nine years old, having enough context to go, what did you just say? 00:06:56:17 - 00:07:11:10 Speaker 3 And he walks out of the room and within about two minutes, she has a grand mal seizure right there in front of us and dies. So here's what happens. I get pulled out of that room by nurses. I mean, like, took in a few nurses. Even as a little kid, I was like, you know, fighting to get there. 00:07:11:11 - 00:07:28:20 Speaker 3 And it took multiple nurses to kind of get me out of the room. And they took me to a waiting room. And, I mean, I'm sitting there and all I could hear, all I could hear in that waiting room as I sat there was, I would never give you something that you can't handle. 00:07:28:22 - 00:07:31:15 Speaker 7 That's all I could hear. Excuse me. 00:07:31:17 - 00:07:33:12 Speaker 3 It's been a long. Time since I've. 00:07:33:13 - 00:07:40:09 Speaker 7 Kind of. It's been a while since I've been, you know, in that room. 00:07:40:11 - 00:07:49:08 Speaker 7 But over and over again, I couldn't even hear anybody in the room. All I could hear was that voice saying. 00:07:49:10 - 00:07:56:05 Speaker 7 I will. I would never give you something that you can't handle. And I knew if I could handle. 00:07:56:05 - 00:07:56:15 Speaker 3 That. 00:07:56:15 - 00:07:57:23 Speaker 7 I could handle anything. 00:07:57:23 - 00:07:59:23 Speaker 3 So I needed to tell you that so. 00:07:59:23 - 00:08:02:08 Speaker 7 I could answer your question better. 00:08:02:10 - 00:08:27:23 Speaker 3 So after all of this, I knew how much this was affecting my parents, because that's one of the things that you realize is I emotional intelligence as a kid. For me, I was pretty pretty there, right? So I knew that if if I lost it, it would destroy them. So I had to keep my shit together in a way that lightened their load. 00:08:28:03 - 00:08:54:12 Speaker 3 And because that's one of the things that I learned, is that it wasn't even just my own grief. It was there, too, that I had to deal with. And so I did everything I could when that happened, to try to keep spirits up and to keep people going and to keep everybody connected, and to let my parents know that it was okay, like I wasn't going to I wasn't going to fall apart because if I did, it would hurt them even more. 00:08:54:14 - 00:09:22:12 Speaker 3 But, I mean, growing up with parents that have grief like that, I mean, it's hard, man. It's really hard. I'm grateful for my life experience, and I love my parents so much. I'm so lucky that I have the parents that I do. But you know it. That's one of the things that you realize, you know, it's like you grow up with grief and you grow up with a process of learning that grief. 00:09:22:14 - 00:09:34:09 Speaker 3 So fast forward all those years later when something comes to me, I know I can handle it because it wouldn't be given to me if I wasn't supposed to have it. 00:09:34:11 - 00:09:45:15 Speaker 4 Looking back now, that voice that was telling you never going to give you anything more than what you can handle. Who was that voice? 00:09:45:17 - 00:10:09:20 Speaker 3 I mean, I know it was. God, I think it was Yeshua. I think it was Yeshua because I was always he was always there in my life. Even before I knew who he was. I knew who he was. You know, I told you that. But like my mom, when I was a little kid, would tell me because I if I got in trouble, you know, like my my parents didn't do the physical discipline thing, thank God, because they both went through it and they're like, I'm not going to do this to my kids. 00:10:09:22 - 00:10:22:13 Speaker 3 So if I got in trouble, it was like, put them in timeout. They just put me in the corner and high chair. Well, they figured it out real quick. That wasn't very good punishment because that just meant that I had plenty of time to have conversations. So I would sit in a corner and just have long, drawn conversations with myself for just hours. 00:10:22:13 - 00:10:23:11 Speaker 3 And she's like, you can get out. 00:10:23:11 - 00:10:24:16 Speaker 7 It's like, no, we're fine. 00:10:24:16 - 00:10:38:20 Speaker 3 I'm good right here. But my mom would tell me when I was real little that I'd be in the other end of this. You know, we grew up in a trailer house. I'm on the far end of the house, and she'd hear me talking, you know, and this was like, Whitney would either not be there or this even some of the times before she was there. 00:10:38:22 - 00:10:48:03 Speaker 3 My mom would have to answer that, but she would she would come back there and wonder who I was talking to, and she'd come back and say, well, Matt, who are you talking to? And I was like, my best friend. She goes, well, who's your best friend? 00:10:48:03 - 00:10:49:12 Speaker 7 Jesus. 00:10:49:14 - 00:10:59:23 Speaker 3 You know. And so it was just he was always there and he's always been there. And I can't imagine that's not who was there that moment. 00:11:00:01 - 00:11:22:02 Speaker 4 It almost appears to me that there's some greater purpose to loss. I mean, the way that I reflect on some of the tragedies that occur in people's lives is that they sometimes become catalysts to something they create, or moving closer to unconditional love. Yeah, yeah. 00:11:22:04 - 00:11:45:19 Speaker 3 That's what it does. That's what loss does. When you go through that, you experience a level of compassion with people and relatability with people, and you can be there for people and relate to them in a way that that I don't know that if there's anything else in life that really prepares you for that, you know, and that was a message that I carried into the, you know, in the film will talk about. 00:11:45:19 - 00:12:02:12 Speaker 3 But it's exactly you're I can tell the energy wise, like, I get it like you're I see what you're doing. You're right on the money. Like you're absolutely right. That is exactly how things are prepared. Because then you can give that to someone else and you can be there for them. 00:12:02:14 - 00:12:11:04 Speaker 2 Do you remember what your experience of Jesus was in those moments? Like who was Jesus to you? Who was Yeshua to you. 00:12:11:06 - 00:12:14:00 Speaker 3 In those earlier moments? 00:12:14:01 - 00:12:18:20 Speaker 2 And as you grew up, who was? Who was he assured to you? 00:12:18:22 - 00:12:48:01 Speaker 3 It's a good question. I mean, yes, she was just just always with me, always there like I never it was like there never was a time where I didn't know, you know, ever. And that I think that what was interesting for me is growing up and learning more about world religions and history, because I've been a, you know, I'm an obsessive history religious person since I was very, very little. 00:12:48:01 - 00:13:17:15 Speaker 3 I was just voraciously reading and, you know, you know, wanting to understand because I have a deep, deep, deep desire to know, like it's just with every cell in my body. But when you start to feel that the yes or what you know, is not reflected in the institutions of Western Christianity in a lot of ways that's an interesting experience for you because you start to feel like, you know, especially when I was a kid, it's like I wouldn't read the Bible even though I felt like I needed to when I was little. 00:13:17:15 - 00:13:40:23 Speaker 3 And I would feel like, well, if I don't do this, I'm doing something wrong, like I'm committing sin. Because remember, when you grow up with original sin as a concept, you you're starting out in the negative, right? So when you when you, when you get to that point where I and I felt that deeply as a kid, it was like I felt, if I don't do this, I'm doing something wrong. 00:13:40:23 - 00:13:59:09 Speaker 3 But then and then there was an overriding voice over that that said, no, stop. If you do that now, you're going to go down the right, the wrong path. You're not ready to unpack this yet. There's more for you to learn. Just don't try to dive into the Bible and become like a preacher like kind of thing, right? 00:13:59:10 - 00:14:24:13 Speaker 3 Like there's more to this. And I kind of felt that innately. So I guess as I grew up, it was trying to understand that, and it took me a long time to realize why that was there, that it was serving me in a way like I wasn't committing some great and terrible sin. It was that the Bible is an interdimensional text, and depending on where you are in your existence and your your awareness, the book unfolds itself in different ways. 00:14:24:13 - 00:14:46:20 Speaker 3 And that's really what it is. So if you're not ready to understand the sort of coding within it and the deeper messages within it, it's like you're only hitting dimension one when you really need to be over here at like dimension four and five to understand it. Unpack everything that you're reading, if that makes sense. But yeah, Yeshua, you know. 00:14:46:22 - 00:15:15:12 Speaker 3 Yes she was. Yes, she is a man. Yes, she was a man. That's one of the things, you know, we know for going to this direction yet. But what I came to realize, what I'm so grateful for is that Christ is a consciousness. Christ is not a man. Christ is a consciousness. Yes, you are embodied, that consciousness. And that's why he spoke from that place, because he spoke to that place where he is the Son of God and the Son of God is consciousness. 00:15:15:12 - 00:15:39:23 Speaker 3 It's not a person. Because again, what did he say when everybody asked him, where is this kingdom that you speak of? It's within you. He never said, it's within me. He said, it's within you. And that means that kingdom is in everyone, and that means Christ is in everyone waiting to be awakened to waiting to be realized. And that's the work that we have to do. 00:15:40:01 - 00:16:05:06 Speaker 3 You know, it's like our command, that command is to love. It is not to judge. It is to love. Because where did he go? He went to the places where society would throw people away. So whoever society rejected, that is who he went to. Those are the people he spent time with because he wanted everybody to realize that this illusion you have, that's like some sort of caste system, that's your illusion. 00:16:05:06 - 00:16:17:08 Speaker 3 That's not the truth. Those people that you're calling lepers, that you've thrown in a cave to try to dismiss from society, they're the masters of this world. And that's the lesson. 00:16:17:10 - 00:16:50:19 Speaker 4 Well, very hard lesson to lose a seven year old. Yeah. Question is about the medical care. Yeah. And the consciousness of that pediatrician, that soul. Yeah. I think a lot of people are probably wondering who are listening right now is how did you and your family interact and engage with that physician after he said what he said? 00:16:50:21 - 00:17:16:16 Speaker 3 Well, the order, the order of the events were I never saw him him after that moment because the the hospital that happened in was in Pampa, Texas was really small town. I'm from a town called McLean, which is barely even on a map anymore about, I don't know, 30, 45 minutes from there. So. But she needed care she because her system had failed. 00:17:16:16 - 00:17:37:09 Speaker 3 So she had to be on life support. Life support was in Amarillo, so she had to take an ambulance from Pampa Amarillo. And I remember following that ambulance with my dad. That's why I hate I hate the sound of sirens because it just like I so intensely 45 minutes of that siren. So it's like every time I hear a siren, I was like, no, even today. 00:17:37:11 - 00:18:01:12 Speaker 3 But that Amarillo was where they put her on life support. And that's the other thing I didn't mention. My mother had to make the decision to remove Whitney from life support, and that's like, can you imagine that? I mean, and it takes somebody and my mom is an incredible human being. It takes somebody that understands life beyond this, that understands that. 00:18:01:13 - 00:18:23:17 Speaker 3 And the doctor said, like, if we're able to save her life, she's not going to be the same person. Her brain has been without oxygen for too long. And all these other things I can barely really remember. But it was like, if we get her awake, she may be in a just comatose state forever. Well, that's not what my little girl needs to live like, you know? 00:18:23:20 - 00:18:45:23 Speaker 3 So it's a hard thing to have to pull that plug and make that decision. But that was the right thing to do. I remember in the hospital at the time, because I was trying to keep everybody spirits up, right? And I'm like, how can I help everybody get through this? Because I knew that I had to be. There's nobody else that would be driving me to do that. 00:18:45:23 - 00:19:10:06 Speaker 3 But I remember there was this Children's Miracle Network was doing this thing in the hospital, and they just happened to be there. And I remember hearing about this right network that's here to help people. Right. Well, I didn't understand what Children's Miracle Network was at the time, so but I, I remember I saw all this equipment on a gurney which was just regular paramedics, but at the time I don't have a context for that. 00:19:10:06 - 00:19:42:17 Speaker 3 So in my head, I've made up the fact that this miracle network is raising money to get equipment to help people. Im going to help them. So I went around the hospital for like days because we were in the hospital for a week or more if I can't really remember. But we were in this hospital and I ran around and just raised money for Children's Miracle Network, and I just kept coming back, dumping, changing dollars and everything I could get from people because I thought, I'll save her life doing this, you know, which obviously I was wrong. 00:19:42:18 - 00:20:00:13 Speaker 3 That's not what that was. But at the time, that's what I thought I was doing. So just to give you some more context to get back to that, we never saw a doctor. I don't want to say his name, but we didn't see that physician that that said that very terrible thing that was. And again, I should also say he's an on call physician. 00:20:00:19 - 00:20:22:05 Speaker 3 He's on call 24 hours a day. He was 4 or 5 hours late. My, my sister and my mother got there at like 2 or 3:00 in the morning, maybe 1:00 in the morning. He didn't show up until my dad and I got there at like 730. So we drove halfway across Texas and still beat the physician that's down the street from the hospital. 00:20:22:07 - 00:20:44:17 Speaker 3 And if that doesn't show you what medical care can be like, and that's not an indictment of medical care. It's an indictment of doctors who don't care. And I have had to find a lot of forgiveness for that. My parents ended up going through lawsuits. There were three different physicians that misdiagnosed her. Rocky mountain spotted fever, again, common antibiotic. 00:20:44:19 - 00:21:07:13 Speaker 3 They went through lawsuits. Ultimately, this particular physician that I'm referring to, my parents wanted to get his medical license because they thought that that was very appropriate considering the thing. And I learned as a very little kid the power of the American Medical Association, and that you don't get that doctor's license, it doesn't matter what you do, because a group of other physicians would review the work of that physician. 00:21:07:13 - 00:21:28:14 Speaker 3 And of course, it's like, to coin a phrase, it's like bad cops protecting bad cops. And it's the same thing in the medical industry, you know what I mean? But we never we had to forgive. And I think we all have because I, I have a lot of compassion. I can't imagine being a physician and losing people. And it's a part of being a doctor. 00:21:28:17 - 00:21:48:07 Speaker 3 You don't save everybody and that's a part of it. Right? So that's the thing. It's like I had to get to a point in my life where I realized I have to have compassion for this man, even though he made a bad call and my sister's not here, I have to have compassion for the position that he. 00:21:48:07 - 00:21:49:01 Speaker 7 Was in. 00:21:49:05 - 00:21:53:15 Speaker 3 Because I can't imagine what it's like to be a doctor and to fight to save people's life and. 00:21:53:15 - 00:21:53:21 Speaker 7 Lose. 00:21:53:21 - 00:21:57:01 Speaker 3 Them and do that day after day, year. 00:21:57:01 - 00:21:57:19 Speaker 7 After year. 00:21:57:20 - 00:21:59:05 Speaker 3 Can you imagine. 00:21:59:07 - 00:22:01:22 Speaker 7 What that does to you? 00:22:02:00 - 00:22:50:22 Speaker 4 Yeah. I mean, in some cases, people end up becoming very detached from our collective humanity. And it seems events such as this. Right? Yeah. They're so traumatic and they're so painful, and there's various ways that somebody can respond to such tragedy, especially if you're a physician and you make a mistake and one of them is with the depths of your heart, to seek out forgiveness and to connect with people who have who've experienced that loss and to make some commitment in your life to make sure that any mistakes or errors in judgment that may have occurred in this particular case will be learned from, and then applied in every new situation. 00:22:50:23 - 00:23:25:01 Speaker 4 Like, you can save a life by taking on that type of attitude. Yes. And this leads us to kind of a discussion of our system, because your film, which is powerful, which we're going to get into, is an indictment of a system. It is more than just bad medicine. It's also about a collective group think that can negatively impact the masses to create lasting and just fatal decision making. 00:23:25:01 - 00:24:04:00 Speaker 4 And we saw that at a one of the darkest periods in American history, and the way in which you film this. And we talked about it because I just watched the film on Saturday night, and it is an absolute sin that it is not more widely viewed. I agree. The film is Follow the Silenced and I felt knowing you personally, I felt that you approached each one of your interviews, that you approached it almost with Whitney in your heart. 00:24:04:01 - 00:24:06:15 Speaker 3 It's absolutely the truth. 00:24:06:17 - 00:24:07:23 Speaker 4 It was. 00:24:08:01 - 00:24:18:01 Speaker 3 I could not have done this without that experience and without her guidance 100%. 00:24:18:02 - 00:24:36:00 Speaker 2 What inspired you to make Follow the Silenced? What is it about and what did you most want the people watching it to take away from it? 00:24:36:01 - 00:25:12:01 Speaker 3 When Covid started, there is a documentary filmmaker that I think is wonderful as names Alex Gibney. He's done some really great docs in the, in the, in the past, and he just released a film on HBO and it was a two part series on the opioid crisis called crime of the century. And it's ironic to a level that cannot be understated, that that was released the beginning of Covid, and that film describes all of the corruption and everything that we were about to witness. 00:25:12:01 - 00:25:31:17 Speaker 3 And I knew it when I saw it, and I knew the moment that they started talking about, there's only one way out of this, and it's a product. I was like, well, I've heard this song and dance before, you know? So when you have the historical context of it and you're like, well, I can see that train coming down the tracks, it's very clear that that's a freight train. 00:25:31:19 - 00:25:39:10 Speaker 3 So I knew very clearly right away. 00:25:39:12 - 00:26:05:12 Speaker 2 What really got me was the Wisconsin hearing. Because when you see parents crying about their children, that obviously affected me. Because I grew up with a mother and I grew up with that pain and that loss and that desperation and fear. Right. So when you saw that in these people at that hearing, I knew right away that they were telling the truth. 00:26:05:12 - 00:26:31:04 Speaker 2 There was never a doubt in my mind that people were not telling the truth about their experiences. I saw it on social media. I remember the very first nurses whom I actually got to become friends with, like Angelia dazzle, and Angelia was one of the first people to go to social media because they were the nurses that were some of the first people to get these shots, and they immediately had these really incredibly intense nervous system reactions where they're having seizures. 00:26:31:04 - 00:27:06:01 Speaker 2 And I mean, they're like bouncing off the floor over the bed, can't move. And I'm looking at that. And I you knew right away that they're real because you can't fake that. I mean, you can try to, but it'll look like you're trying to. You can't fake a nervous system reaction like that. And then the other half of it is what's the benefit for these people, you know, because that's how social media and the media companies were painting it, these crazy people with these insane ideas that they took a product and now they have to go to social media for attention. 00:27:06:05 - 00:27:11:01 Speaker 2 That's that's lunacy. There's no part of that that makes sense. 00:27:11:03 - 00:27:46:03 Speaker 4 Context here. Let's let's rewind. Okay. Going back to 2020, we can all speak right now from hindsight. But if we can get back into the hearts, minds and souls of the everyday individual during that period of time, let's go. March 2020. Yeah, April 2020. Before we even began to discuss the vaccine. What was your experience of Covid? A lot of people went into fear, but there was a lot of people who, like, almost automatically, instinctively approached it differently. 00:27:46:05 - 00:28:05:21 Speaker 2 Yeah, absolutely. I think a lot of the people that approached it differently have an innate distrust for the US government, because we've had we've been live long enough to know that the government doesn't tell you the truth. You know, like I've been in this mindset for a long time, that whatever the official story the government has, if I believe the opposite of that, I'm in a much safer place. 00:28:06:03 - 00:28:23:17 Speaker 2 That's a better place for me to be. And I've had enough life experiences. I mean, you know, I was born in 84. I'm a kid of the 80s, growing up in the 80s and 90s in the 90s. Everybody knew you don't trust the US government. They're lying about everything. And it was like a great equalizer because we didn't have political vitriol in the 90s like that at all. 00:28:23:18 - 00:28:29:07 Speaker 2 Right. I mean, most people are like, your vote doesn't matter. Why would you care? Go live your life. Let these people just do what they want. 00:28:29:08 - 00:28:31:14 Speaker 4 I think that's unique to your culture. 00:28:31:16 - 00:28:33:13 Speaker 2 To my culture or just. 00:28:33:14 - 00:28:36:17 Speaker 4 Your culture. I don't think that was everyone's perspective in the 90s. 00:28:36:18 - 00:29:02:17 Speaker 2 Interesting. Well, I did, you know, like X files and everything. It's like, of course, the government's not telling us the truth. So when I think that that was how a lot of people approached that. I mean, and again, like we were talking about the other day, everybody's response in Covid was really in an empathic one, you know, whether you did everything you could and believed every single thing the government told you every day or you didn't. 00:29:02:20 - 00:29:27:22 Speaker 2 Everybody's coming from a place of empathy and love. You know, like everybody who did exactly what the government told them to do and masked and six feet and get the shots on the order. They didn't do that because they're sheep, you know, like that's not why they did that. They did that because they care about people. They cared about their community and their family, and that was what they were told that they needed to do to do the right thing for people. 00:29:27:22 - 00:29:39:18 Speaker 2 And that's where the government's propaganda as a machine, as an intelligence community, is so specific and overwhelming at that point because they created that weaponized compassion. And they yeah. 00:29:39:18 - 00:29:57:06 Speaker 4 We're going to get there. I want to bring in Tracy, because I don't want to assume everyone's experience was mine. I'm interested to know back at March 2020. April, June, what was your understanding of what was happening? How were you impacted emotionally? 00:29:57:08 - 00:30:25:11 Speaker 1 I think I experienced Covid quite differently than both of you did. So in I would say I was aware of Covid long before most people were I was aware of it in January, I was people around me were alerting me to the Chinese videos, and I was convinced that there was a virus that was dangerous and that our government was lying to us about it. 00:30:25:11 - 00:30:35:02 Speaker 1 Because if you go back to January and February, we were living in a world where the government was saying, it's no big deal. 00:30:35:04 - 00:30:51:05 Speaker 1 And I distrust the government. And so I thought that instinct kicked in. And for me, it was I don't trust the government. And they're telling me it's no big deal. I'm seeing these videos coming out of China. I didn't realize that the Chinese videos were part of the Psyop. 00:30:51:06 - 00:30:55:12 Speaker 4 Well, why didn't you trust the government at that stage in your life? 00:30:55:14 - 00:31:23:18 Speaker 1 That's a long, long answer. If I really answered it. But the the short version of it would be, you know, I grew up in a, in a world where I was active in helping people who had faced terrible consequences from the justice system, and I had always been anti-war. So during the Iraq War, the second Iraq War, I knew Scott Ritter, the weapons inspector, personally. 00:31:23:18 - 00:31:49:17 Speaker 1 I knew that the government was lying us into that war. I was in high school at the time in a rural Pennsylvania school where your options when you graduated were mechanic, nurse, drug dealer in the military, maybe teacher. And so everyone around me was pro-military. Many of them were heading into the armed forces, and I was watching people I cared about sign up to be killed for in a war that made no sense and was helping nobody. 00:31:49:18 - 00:32:10:22 Speaker 1 So my distrust of government propaganda goes deep. But in the case of Covid, the form that took for me was not this virus is a nothing burger and the government is lying that it is my my form that it took was the government is lying to us about it being no big deal. Yeah. Because remember, that was the initial story that we were given. 00:32:10:23 - 00:32:33:21 Speaker 1 And so while I was living at the time with my ex-husband, who's a wonderful man, and we had his mom move in with us because we were seeing what was happening in King County, Washington, where nursing homes were going to lock down if we were dying. I only later came to understand fully why these people were dying. 00:32:33:23 - 00:32:54:21 Speaker 1 So our response was to pull her out of the home she was living in and have her come live with us, and she was elderly and frail. And so for me, the loving thing to do at the time seemed to be that this virus could be deadly to vulnerable populations, and my role was to care for her and to not leave my home to protect her. 00:32:55:03 - 00:33:21:11 Speaker 1 And so I have a tremendous amount of sympathy for the people that became very afraid because I spent months, I spent months staying in my home, not because I was afraid of getting the virus myself, but because I didn't want to be the one that killed this, this person who I cared about. And I did think the virus was was very dangerous at the time I came to to believe that remdesivir was far more dangerous. 00:33:21:13 - 00:33:43:17 Speaker 1 I knew that hydroxychloroquine and I were workable treatments, but I was afraid of the virus, and I did think it was a deal. And I know that many people in the medical freedom movement, in the, you know, in this, in this space, looked at people like me and saw. 00:33:43:18 - 00:33:53:13 Speaker 1 And judged me. Right. But I know that there were many, many people who chose to go into some form of lockdown that did it from a place of compassion. 00:33:53:14 - 00:33:54:07 Speaker 5 Oh yeah. 00:33:54:08 - 00:34:12:01 Speaker 2 Well, and I should also say, like, I'm not at all saying that I don't think that Covid was like dangerous or deadly because for a lot of people it was I had pretty much every variant of Covid, I think that you could have. And Delta almost killed me like I was. You know, I grew up in a hospital. 00:34:12:06 - 00:34:27:18 Speaker 2 It's one of the things about losing Whitney that was so crazy. I was the one that spent six years hospitalized. I had pneumonia six times a year. So when I was a little kid, another irony. When I was a little kid, my nurses were very good friends because I was in the hospital every other week for six years. 00:34:27:18 - 00:34:56:22 Speaker 2 So hospitals were not a scary place for me. But the scariest thing that's happened to me medically ever was, was Delta. I mean, it made me incredibly sick. It was terrifying. I experienced symptoms that I don't. Nothing else in the world could cause that. So I know for, you know, and I had Omicron, I had the very first strain of Covid that went around because you remember October, December into January, from 19 to 20, Covid was already around. 00:34:56:22 - 00:35:13:17 Speaker 2 That was the first wave of Covid. I was at a conference in Las Vegas in January, and I got sick with the first variant of Covid. They just didn't have a test for it yet. But that's exactly what it was, so I knew it was. So I know I wanted to make sure like I'm yes, Covid is a real thing. 00:35:13:17 - 00:35:32:23 Speaker 2 Yes, it was absolutely a biological weapon because when you Delta was this gnarliest, scariest thing I've ever had, I thought it was going to kill me. And I really did think, like, I was making my peace with dying in my guest bedroom because I didn't know what to do, because I sure as hell wasn't going to go to a hospital because I had already spent months document I had already started follow the silenced. 00:35:33:00 - 00:35:55:18 Speaker 2 So I had already started talking to people about the other horrific things happening in the hospital during that time. But you know what saved my life? One dose of ivermectin. Wow. The very first time it hit my body the next day, my symptoms were down 6,070% and I slowly got out of it. And I had to take monoclonal antibodies and all this other stuff. 00:35:55:18 - 00:36:11:12 Speaker 2 But, you know, yeah, it's real. I just I wasn't going to let the fear get me because I felt called, which I can tell you about, you know, whenever we're ready for that. But I felt called to do this film like it was something that I had to do. Like I was put here to do it, so I wasn't going to be afraid. 00:36:11:14 - 00:36:40:11 Speaker 4 My experience was different than both of yours. And to be honest, your film changed my viewpoint of it because I think I've carried this with me up until Saturday night when I watched your film and you saw me because you're here helping with the studio, and you saw me emotionally affected, walking away from the film, returning to it, coming, talking to you about it, returning to it. 00:36:40:13 - 00:37:19:06 Speaker 4 Because in a lot of ways, what was going on at that time is what motivated motivated me to start Radically genuine. And I was angry. I did not see those who were jumping in line to get a vaccine, who were supporting lockdowns and mask wearing to be people who were doing that out of compassion and love. I saw them as victims to propaganda, and I also knew at that time was what we were doing, the young people, and this was a disease that was affecting the elderly and those with multiple comorbidities. 00:37:19:06 - 00:37:43:11 Speaker 4 And I thought, you do not in any way impact the lives of young people to this extent to protect a select few, many of them who did not leave their lives in a healthy way. They made deliberate choices, and it was a reflection on the obesity epidemic, the chronic disease epidemic. But it was the propaganda that got me. 00:37:43:11 - 00:38:21:17 Speaker 4 It was the media in lockstep with public health officials and the statements that they were saying over and over and over and over again. And this is where I remembered this is this is the psychological research on how to influence another human being to act in a way that is outside of what would protect themselves or their family, because they were walking into a world where they were trying to protect themselves from exposure, which is absolutely impossible to think that you can lock something down. 00:38:21:17 - 00:38:41:18 Speaker 4 I saw that as deliberate, isolating people from each other. You were shutting down churches while keeping open liquor stores, and to me this is so obvious. And how can you not see the repeated phrases over and over and over again? That's what that even looking into the mRNA technology, which was there's a lot there for us to look at. 00:38:41:22 - 00:38:43:10 Speaker 4 But I was angry. 00:38:43:11 - 00:38:46:22 Speaker 2 I on your side with that, by the way. I'm I'm in lockstep with you there. 00:38:46:22 - 00:39:16:10 Speaker 4 I was angry. Those who would those who would jump first in line or even enter into a trial. I did not see that as heroism. I saw that as stupidity and blind trust to an authority. And I was angry about it. And when I started radically Genuine, my brother was kind of in that camp. And if you listen to the early episodes, I would call him dangerously naive. 00:39:16:11 - 00:39:41:12 Speaker 4 Sorry, brother. I would attack him. And I felt this vitriolic anger. And what you did is you humanized all those people for me, because they really did believe that they were going to protect others from this virus. They really did trust that there was a vaccine that would protect themselves and other people. 00:39:41:17 - 00:40:07:23 Speaker 2 Yeah. Oh, no. And that and that's the truth. That's the thing that's like we never had it. We at any point needed to be so divided as a nation when we just would have stopped for a moment to realize that both sides of this ideological divide are coming from a place of love. The anger and the vitriol was designed to be there. 00:40:08:01 - 00:40:29:11 Speaker 2 That was the government. That's propaganda. That's what intelligence agencies teach. And due to other nations. And they did it here in the continental United States to each other. But it's like Brie and Maddie. I mean, Maddie's was 12 years old at the time. That was the cutoff for the for the childhood vaccines, right? It was 12. So she was just able to get it. 00:40:29:12 - 00:40:49:21 Speaker 2 And her friends at school are signing up. She's excited. Like this is a great thing. And remember, I don't know if it's still in the film. I know it's in our media. But she like, you know, I might get a little get a little bit paid and I can help people. And this is great. You know, while she's sitting in a wheelchair, paralyzed, basically, you know, from the waist down and unable to control her neck and everything. 00:40:50:01 - 00:41:04:15 Speaker 2 That's what she's telling me all this time. Later, when the story happened to her and she's been through the worst medical care you could imagine. But that was the spirit. I can do something to help people. This is awesome. And that's what we have to remember. 00:41:04:17 - 00:41:11:16 Speaker 4 Yeah, I'm interested in your thoughts now because this is post the hearings with Anthony Fauci. 00:41:11:19 - 00:41:16:02 Speaker 2 Which I have not seen because I've been doing this. So I have not. I haven't even checked. 00:41:16:02 - 00:41:38:14 Speaker 4 It yet. And by the time this airs, we might be a few months out from that. But I'm interested to know your thought, because what you're seeing is a lot of people right now taking credit for resisting and choosing to not get the mRNA vaccination. So to me, it seems to still further the divide. Exactly. And there's some theater that's going on with our government. 00:41:38:15 - 00:41:39:05 Speaker 4 Yeah. 00:41:39:11 - 00:41:53:18 Speaker 2 Yeah, like I told you. So when that's a dangerous you do. That's not a mentality that serves a greater good or a public or love or connection or community, as I told you. So there's no place for that. And you shouldn't do that. And that's. 00:41:53:19 - 00:42:04:21 Speaker 1 And we're falling for the lowest common denominator by demanding the, the death by firing squad to Anthony Fauci. And I say that only slightly hyperbolic, because I know there are many people who would like to see that happen. 00:42:05:00 - 00:42:28:18 Speaker 2 And I'll be honest, like, that's I that's the conflict. Like I don't want to see that happen, but there's a part of me that want like there's a part of me that is amazed that he's walking because the amount of people who don't have family with them today because of that man is an astonishing number. It's like Heinrich Himmler walking around the country celebrating his his existence. 00:42:28:20 - 00:42:29:19 Speaker 2 You imagine that. 00:42:29:21 - 00:42:33:20 Speaker 1 But the world is not going to be fixed by Anthony Fauci dying. 00:42:33:20 - 00:42:36:16 Speaker 2 No it isn't. You're 100% right. 00:42:36:18 - 00:42:39:20 Speaker 1 The next Covid would still come if Anthony Fauci was dead. 00:42:39:22 - 00:42:40:14 Speaker 2 Absolutely. 00:42:40:15 - 00:42:44:18 Speaker 1 You could put a bullet in his heart and the next step would hit us. 00:42:44:18 - 00:42:47:11 Speaker 2 And he was probably a sacrificial lamb. 00:42:47:13 - 00:42:57:10 Speaker 1 Yes, I believe he was, and I have. I lost people very, very close to me, to the vaccine. 00:42:57:12 - 00:43:09:20 Speaker 1 There is a time I wanted to kill Anthony Fauci, that I wanted him dead, that I thought I would volunteer for that. But I no longer feel that way because. 00:43:09:22 - 00:43:35:02 Speaker 1 There's there's nothing good that actually comes from it. He deserves to see some form of justice. But if I'm walking around with hate in my heart toward him for the fact that his decisions caused the death of people I love, I'm actually not contributing anything. Yeah, good to the future of the world. And someone very close to me took the shot. 00:43:35:03 - 00:44:07:09 Speaker 1 I was opposed to these vaccines from before they came out because, well, I was vaccine injured in 2007, so I was reading the white papers that were coming out on vaccine passports, digital IDs. I saw this, the vaccine as a method to get us to accept a much higher level of control and surveillance. And I was saying that loudly from the rooftops to everybody I knew, including many family members who didn't see it that way and to whom I was a tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist. 00:44:07:11 - 00:44:27:18 Speaker 1 And I watched someone I loved deeply take the shot. It was my mother, and immediately after taking it, she didn't feel good. She took the second one and she took it in her left arm. And after the first shot, she had a large lump under her left arm. And they said, this is probably not cancer. They didn't test it or anything. 00:44:27:18 - 00:44:33:03 Speaker 1 They just said, we see we see this type of lymphatic reaction. 00:44:33:05 - 00:44:52:02 Speaker 1 Go ahead and take the second shot. And she took the second shot and within weeks it looked like she was nine months pregnant. Her spleen, which should be the size of about a walnut, was the size of a watermelon riddled with cancer. The speed with which that cancer grew I've never seen otherwise. She's no one else in my family at the time thought that this could be from from the shot. 00:44:52:03 - 00:44:54:02 Speaker 1 Yeah. 00:44:54:04 - 00:44:55:07 Speaker 2 When was this, Tracy? 00:44:55:08 - 00:45:28:05 Speaker 1 This was what, February of 2021. She took took the first shot, and she's diagnosed in. March 2021. And I was faced with, you know, in my, my, my sister, who I loved deeply, was volunteering to put the shot in arms because she loved people and wanted to help protect people. That was her motivation. And so I spent months, you know, raging against the machine and trying to convince them all they were wrong and that this shot was why she had the cancer. 00:45:28:06 - 00:45:45:01 Speaker 1 And no, none of them would hear me, you know? And eventually I decided to look at my my job here, just to love them, not to try to talk them into anything anymore. And I just stopped and I decided to just love them all. 00:45:45:03 - 00:45:53:19 Speaker 1 And I'm not going to say there aren't times where I wish the people who did this would really pay. 00:45:53:21 - 00:46:06:16 Speaker 1 I just think the best thing we can do as as Americans, as humanity, is to do what you are doing with this film, which is to learn to see that the other side wasn't what we painted them out to be. 00:46:06:18 - 00:46:07:01 Speaker 5 Yeah. 00:46:07:02 - 00:46:08:11 Speaker 2 In either way, you look at it. 00:46:08:11 - 00:46:11:08 Speaker 1 Right? Exactly. Because that that division is how we are controlled. 00:46:11:09 - 00:46:13:17 Speaker 2 100%, 100%. 00:46:13:18 - 00:46:19:12 Speaker 4 Matt, you said something interesting. I have to follow up on it that you believe Fauci is a sacrificial lamb. 00:46:19:14 - 00:46:36:21 Speaker 2 Yeah, I think that, you know, obviously the real power structure is on this in this world are beyond the window dressing of world governments. And if you're not there as a person yet, give it time because you will be because it's just it's just the way it is. It's you can go back 10,000 years in human history and you'll find the same, the same thing. 00:46:36:23 - 00:46:58:03 Speaker 2 But I remember 2 or 3 years ago thinking about sort of the game theory that was at place here, and I was like, you know, it's not going to surprise me when a time comes when people like Peter Marks and Fauci and, you know, Biden and all these other people are going to be the ones that they put their heads on the chopping block. 00:46:58:05 - 00:47:25:11 Speaker 2 You know, it's like, see, it was your fault because if you're if you're in a higher state of control and experience in this world, you're going to have those underneath you take the bullets for you, right? I mean, go back to like, the business plot in the 30s when they tried to overthrow the US government with Smedley Butler, which was the same group that ended up creating the fascist government in Germany, those were the same people, same financiers, right? 00:47:25:14 - 00:47:48:09 Speaker 2 They caught Prescott Bush and all these people, a part of this plot who went to prison, one Prescott Bush, his underlings did, though. Somebody had to take that fall. Somebody will go to jail and get a nice golden parachute when they get out of that service. Right? That is a system. That is how the world works. So that was something that when I could see this, it made all the sense in the world. 00:47:48:09 - 00:48:16:07 Speaker 4 I don't think it could be any more obvious. We see all these clips of Anthony Fauci. He had an interview on 60 minutes where he said, wearing a mask is going to be useless. And then and then boom, flips it. Right. We have evidence of him dating back to 2019, 2018 talking about this virus. It's very clear to me he's a mouthpiece for a larger operation, and we always get to this conversation when it comes to Covid. 00:48:16:08 - 00:48:48:01 Speaker 4 I don't want to have the same conversation everyone else is having about Covid. We never get to why, why, why what is? You always ask the question, okay, if this happened, if this is going on, well, who's behind it? Who are they? And what is the ultimate goal? Tracy, you were intimating it a bit about a larger surveillance network or a in some way, a psychological operation that moves us closer and closer to enslavement, and that this was a very important piece in that because they learned a lot. 00:48:48:05 - 00:48:52:15 Speaker 4 And there's a lot that's normalized now that wasn't normalized before, but I want to get your thoughts on it. 00:48:52:16 - 00:49:18:08 Speaker 2 Oh, 100%. I mean, that's that's absolutely right. I mean, the hallmarks of an intelligence operation are that multiple things are served by a single operation. You're not trying to just get one good thing out of it. You're trying to get a dozen or more off of a single move, just exactly what you're doing with that. Can you imagine the amount of information that our government now has on every single human being in the United States? 00:49:18:10 - 00:49:40:20 Speaker 2 They know. They know who is who. They know who will stand up and who won't. I mean, you have everything you need right now from an intelligence perspective to control and change the potential future of the United States at the moment, because you have more information that you've ever had on your populace all at one time, all in this operation. 00:49:40:22 - 00:49:47:21 Speaker 2 And that's just one element of it. That's there's many, many elements of this. 00:49:47:23 - 00:49:52:10 Speaker 4 Well, let me ask the difficult question. Who are they? 00:49:52:12 - 00:50:14:15 Speaker 2 That's a great question. And I think I think the ultimate answer to that is there are very powerful families in this world that have always had that power and will always have that power. Tell everybody does something about it, but who gives them their orders and why are they doing what they're doing? Why do we have secret societies? 00:50:14:16 - 00:50:36:10 Speaker 2 Why is Kennedy's last speech about secret societies before he was killed in broad daylight? Why? Why are there things that you just absolutely cannot say? Why are there family names that you cannot write? Because the moment you do, you're dead. And no, I don't know what those names are because we're not supposed to, but and that's the thing as like, you know, we were like, oh, it's the Rothschilds. 00:50:36:11 - 00:50:58:07 Speaker 2 No. Again, that's just one other layer, because if you know their name, they're not the problem. They are a problem. But there's names above that that we're not supposed to know. Like we don't understand how our world works and how history got us here. You know, like, for example, not to tangent, but we think that we won World War two. 00:50:58:08 - 00:51:20:20 Speaker 2 We did not we did not win World War Two. We made an agreement with the National Socialist Party to bring all of the things that they learned from all of the heinous research that they did, and we brought that to the United States and continued it. That happened. The German army lost World War two. The Nationalist Socialist Party didn't. 00:51:20:21 - 00:51:26:14 Speaker 1 And for those who are skeptical of this, go look up Operation Paperclip. There's a great book on it by Annie Jacobsen. 00:51:26:15 - 00:51:26:23 Speaker 5 Oh, yeah. 00:51:27:00 - 00:51:31:16 Speaker 1 On all the scientists that were brought over here. Go do your own research. Don't take our word. 00:51:31:16 - 00:51:32:13 Speaker 5 For it. Yeah. 00:51:32:14 - 00:51:51:01 Speaker 2 But that's the thing. It's like history is written by the victor is a saying. And you need to remember that. That doesn't mean you're. You're doesn't mean that you're getting the truth. It means you're getting the truth. They want you to know you're getting the story that serves the victor, not the truth. That's what that means, you know? 00:51:51:03 - 00:52:14:00 Speaker 2 And it's like you that's it's like, I think, you know, kind of going back to your earlier question, I think the thing that allowed people to have different perspectives with this was a historical context. If you know your history, if you remember things that you can look at present in context with, that alters your perspective because you remember everything that came before it, and you're going to use that as the context of some now. 00:52:14:00 - 00:52:29:11 Speaker 2 And I think there's a lot of people that don't do that for whatever reason. Maybe some of those people just don't have a love for history. Maybe they don't think it's relevant to them. But that, again, I think is a huge deciding factor. 00:52:29:13 - 00:52:58:09 Speaker 4 This brings me back to your distrust of the government. And I said, well, I think that might be cultural meaning, whether that's your micro culture or maybe where in Texas you grew up. That has not been my experience. Growing up in the northeast. I was fully indoctrinated into mainstream media and the two party system, and the belief that one party represents these ideals and another party represents these other ideals. 00:52:58:09 - 00:53:24:13 Speaker 4 And there's a division across these cultural lines on what you believe in. So on one respect, there's, you know, a party would lead you to believe that they were going to protect individual sovereignty, protect the family, maybe certain religious values that you had around pro-life. And then there was another party that originally was more libertarian in its nature, right. 00:53:24:14 - 00:53:56:05 Speaker 4 Where we certainly would think that they would protect the rights of one's bodily autonomy. Right. So they're on the pro choice side. And what this period of time did for us is it all became confusing. You didn't know necessarily who stood for what, right? When you have the left, who is trying to force you to take an experimental vaccine for the greater good? 00:53:56:08 - 00:54:21:22 Speaker 4 And they're pushing all vaccines despite looking at any science around it. They're just following the propaganda. They think it's a collectivism that exists, that interferes with a lot of what were the traditional viewpoints. From the left is everyone begins to get confused and they take advantage of it. They start talking about things in terms of right and left, but it didn't represent anything that I understood that to be. 00:54:21:22 - 00:54:50:01 Speaker 4 So we start being very confused about who's on what side. But they were creating sides, right? And they were letting us argue over it and they were pushing this into the culture. While this unit, party, government, while our attention was somewhere else. There's a lot that's going on as far as passing laws that are eventually going to be used to walk us right down into that cage because we're not paying attention. 00:54:50:01 - 00:55:39:18 Speaker 4 You have these omnibus bills that we think it's about one thing. And in the late at night when no one's really paying attention, you see, they're passing all these other restrictions on us. And I was awakened at that time is there are no two separate parties. There's one party government. And with all the major issues that exist out there, whether it's the the war complex or the amount of money that our taxes are driving us into, various decisions across the global world to be such an influence in a global economy and to take it away from the American people, health care, all these things is they generally have the same kind of viewpoint, and there's 00:55:39:18 - 00:55:46:01 Speaker 4 not really a difference. But you go to social media today and people are still fighting right versus left. 00:55:46:03 - 00:56:08:15 Speaker 2 And that's the thing. It's like once you're in an ideological battle, you lost already because now you're giving in to exactly what you're saying. Don't give in to the ideological battle because that's the loss. You're not supposed to take a side. You're supposed to be unified within that, right? I mean, that's exactly it, you know, and to your point, like I didn't. 00:56:08:16 - 00:56:09:01 Speaker 5 I. 00:56:09:01 - 00:56:27:11 Speaker 2 I should say like, it's not that I because I have a long line of people in my family that served the military and everything. So I have a great love for my, for my country. But when I was a little kid, Waco happened, you know, and I was real little. And I didn't understand what Waco was. I just saw tanks rolling over things and people were hurt. 00:56:27:11 - 00:56:48:22 Speaker 2 And I just remember going, that doesn't seem right. That doesn't like that just doesn't that doesn't jive with what I believe that my government in my country is. And then 9/11 happened, and I knew what that was before the building hit the ground. I mean, if, I mean, I'm not great at math, but I understood physics and I get physics real well. 00:56:49:00 - 00:56:57:20 Speaker 2 And if you understand physics and you see that you just don't need anybody to tell you what the official story is, you know, it's pretty clear when you see it. 00:56:57:22 - 00:57:04:22 Speaker 4 Yeah. We learned a lot about propaganda, I think, in 2020. 00:57:05:00 - 00:57:30:23 Speaker 4 People who were in my community and I would say at that time I probably would have identified on the right, still believed what was being told on, let's say, Fox News, where I could go back further, like the radio, conservative radio was very large. You could rush Limbaugh is is a great example. And it almost felt like there was this trustworthy voice, right, that we had. 00:57:31:04 - 00:57:58:09 Speaker 4 Well, you know, one side of this country was on the side of freedom and courage and family values, and it just ultimately led you to develop a distrust for the person who looks different than you, who didn't believe the things that you believed, and it almost dehumanized them. I mean, the best way to to do that is it created this, this other., 00:57:58:14 - 00:57:59:18 Speaker 2 That. 00:57:59:19 - 00:58:06:02 Speaker 4 Which is dehumanization, which has been used throughout the course of history to create enemies. And this was being done in our own country. 00:58:06:03 - 00:58:35:12 Speaker 2 Yeah, to each other. And it's the thing I was like, why didn't we take pause to say, why is it that the ideological divide in the nation has its own media outlets? Why? Why is that? Why is the left have the left outlets? I hate even using the terms. Why does the right have the right outlets? Why isn't that proof in itself right there when we you know, I think we've slowly, especially over the last two plus decades, watched that happened. 00:58:35:16 - 00:58:42:22 Speaker 2 But we don't stop to look at it, to go, well, that's how they're putting us against each other right here. 00:58:43:00 - 00:59:07:16 Speaker 4 Tribalism, tribalism. I mean, this is how we've evolved. The greatest fear we have is to be exterminated from the group. Right. That's why we care so much about being connected to our own tribe. And it seems to provoke within us the strong emotional survival instinct that we have to align with certain people. 00:59:07:18 - 00:59:31:13 Speaker 2 Did you guys see Nuremberg, the film that just came out where Russell Crowe plays Goering? No. With Rami Malek. Great, really great film. Highly recommended. So there is a unbelievably beautiful, timeless message in this film. And I saw it in the theater when they got to like when they hit this thing. It just gutted me. I feel chills right now even talking about it. 00:59:31:15 - 01:00:07:15 Speaker 2 The world needed to find supernatural monsters in Germany. The world needed to find an evil villain they could never relate or connect to in order to diagnose evil. Ramis character was there to write a book about what actually is evil. Like can we? We could diagnose and figure out from a because he was a psychologist. If I'm not, if I'm not mistaken, what is the thing that creates this, this, this level of evil? 01:00:07:16 - 01:00:43:14 Speaker 2 How did the good people of Germany. How were they driven to this? This is the most powerful message of this film. When they showed up, they couldn't find the monster. They they wanted to find. They found human beings that they could relate to. The American government saw the very thing that could happen to them. Everybody who showed up to Nuremberg, that talked to the to talked to the all of these people that were prisoners of the Reich, they saw that all of this is within their own hearts all over the world in any nation is susceptible to it. 01:00:43:16 - 01:00:53:17 Speaker 2 These are why this is why history is full of nightmares, so that we don't do it again, so that we learn from it. 01:00:53:18 - 01:01:00:11 Speaker 1 Was it Alexander Solzhenitsyn who said that the line between good and evil runs through the heart of every human being? 01:01:00:13 - 01:01:02:14 Speaker 5 I don't remember the that's a. 01:01:02:16 - 01:01:03:16 Speaker 2 That's exactly it. 01:01:03:16 - 01:01:18:23 Speaker 1 I heard that for the first time when I was in ninth grade, and I've never forgotten the moment because it rang so true. And I would always like to put myself on the line between, you know, the line of good runs through my heart and the line of evil runs through yours. And that's not. 01:01:19:00 - 01:01:20:03 Speaker 5 That's not true. 01:01:20:05 - 01:01:35:00 Speaker 1 Line of good runs through team red. Line of evil runs through Team Blue. It doesn't work. That doesn't work. The line of good runs through America. The line of evil runs through Saddam, or through Germany or through North Korea. It doesn't. It's a choice each of us has to make in our own hearts. 01:01:35:03 - 01:01:35:13 Speaker 5 Yeah. 01:01:35:14 - 01:02:12:02 Speaker 2 And I mean, remember, the German people were celebrating Christmas there. They were a Christian nation. Like they were defending there. They were trying to create this beautiful new country to get themselves out of the awfulness of World War One. And it just took somebody manipulative and manipulative enough to push society to become something that it wasn't. To your point, that line between that good and evil, it was just a little bit of a to push you over here, and then you became monsters. 01:02:12:02 - 01:02:39:17 Speaker 2 And, I mean, and that goes to another point that we should say, because it's to the same propaganda, I think one of the most offensive and awful things that people are doing today. And and it it it breaks my heart and soul every time I hear it is when other people call other people Nazis. Like you can't imagine what Nazis did to people, only Nazis or Nazis. 01:02:39:18 - 01:02:49:10 Speaker 2 We aren't those people. I'm reading a book right now because I'm a history nut and I can't stop reading. 01:02:49:12 - 01:03:18:05 Speaker 2 There are chapters in that book that I had to read a page at a time to understand the level of evil that people were capable of. We don't have a language or a context for it as a modern society today, and I wish to God that I think what it means is that if you call another person a Nazi, all you're telling people is you have absolutely no idea of what historical context is. 01:03:18:06 - 01:03:48:07 Speaker 2 You could you are suffering from some sort of deep propaganda, and you could potentially have a deep issue with an intelligence, because it takes a moment to talk to a Holocaust survivor, to go read a book, to understand. You don't call another person a Nazi because that's what it does. What are they doing? And I did the pain that I have in my heart for the people in our government that have weaponized that term to call other people Nazis. 01:03:48:09 - 01:04:07:14 Speaker 2 I mean, that's the thing. There are people in this country right now, maybe some people watching this that would think that somebody that voted for Trump or that cares about, you know, wanting America to be great again, whether they believe and what that means or not. And trust me, at the moment, I have my own opinions of what this administration is doing. 01:04:07:14 - 01:04:10:08 Speaker 2 And I'm not a fan by any means. 01:04:10:10 - 01:04:11:09 Speaker 5 But you're. 01:04:11:09 - 01:04:18:15 Speaker 2 You're going to make you're going to call those people Nazis. 01:04:18:17 - 01:04:26:07 Speaker 2 I mean, if you want to talk about weaponized propaganda and what a government is capable of, we're living it. Guys. 01:04:26:11 - 01:04:51:01 Speaker 1 It's so ironic that we would use that term to now authorize and dehumanize individuals here, when it's a term that represents a nation and a group of people that did that. And what I wish people would understand is that the dehumanization that leads to violence always starts with words like that. 01:04:51:05 - 01:04:54:18 Speaker 2 Yes. And what the best of intentions. 01:04:54:20 - 01:05:20:06 Speaker 1 You know, the the individuals in Germany, because it was not all Germans. We need to we need to hang on to that. Not every German by any means. If I were the Nazi Party, not at all. But they they used terms like related to public health, you know, to otherwise to other the Jews and to other the Jehovah's Witnesses and to other the homosexual community and to other the communists. 01:05:20:06 - 01:05:33:21 Speaker 1 Remember, it was not just one group of people they were doing this to. And so when we then turn and use that word to other people here, dehumanize them and recreate that divide, it's deeply and tragically ironic. 01:05:33:22 - 01:05:56:10 Speaker 2 I know. And it's also remember I saw this really awesome installation once about and I really think this is an important historical conversation because this is how we don't repeat things, is by is by going back to the past and remembering that you don't have a separation from those people. You are those people right now. And you need to know that. 01:05:56:14 - 01:06:18:08 Speaker 2 I saw this incredible installation at the University of Texas years ago, and it was all of this Nazi propaganda, all of the National Socialist propaganda, and they did this beautiful thing. They put it from in a timeline from the when it started to where it ended. So as you walked through the installation, you literally saw the step by step process of how the propaganda worked. 01:06:18:08 - 01:06:44:07 Speaker 2 It was I wish it was something that everybody could experience because it it changed me. What I didn't understand, especially at that time, was that they were going after these kids in college. Right? So the people that that created the Reich, like the top guys and the SS and everything they were in, indoctrinated into these ideologies in college because it was a progressive ideology on their campus in the 20s. 01:06:44:08 - 01:07:06:11 Speaker 2 And then it takes another ten plus years to get to the Nuremberg Laws laws. But you got to remember, that's the thing, how this works. And we need as a nation to never forget this evil is legalized. First, the heinous things have become an acceptable part of our society. It I mean, they made everything they did to the Jewish people. 01:07:06:11 - 01:07:36:15 Speaker 2 They made it legal, they made it normal. And then when society was, you know, in ingrained into that and accepted it, then they slowly pushed that line in your heart to darkness. And that's what's so I it's like, we have to remember this lesson, and it's a lesson that America is experiencing right now. There are some ideas that sound progressive and they're not. 01:07:36:17 - 01:07:46:04 Speaker 4 I don't think we have this conversation without being cognizant of our own darkness. Yeah, the Milgram experiments, the obedience experiments. 01:07:46:05 - 01:07:48:05 Speaker 2 Was that the prison one? Is that the one? 01:07:48:06 - 01:07:49:08 Speaker 1 Yeah, that was the Stanford prison. 01:07:49:14 - 01:07:50:08 Speaker 2 That was the Stanford. 01:07:50:08 - 01:07:53:13 Speaker 1 One you're thinking of. But the Milgram was the one with the electric shocks. 01:07:53:14 - 01:07:59:08 Speaker 2 Oh, yeah. Yeah. What you were paid. Is that what it was? Was it trying to tell me what that was again? 01:07:59:09 - 01:08:30:05 Speaker 4 Yeah, it was, it was simply this is that they recruited college students to listen to an authority figure who was telling them, with increasing intensity, to administer electric shocks to a person they could not see. But you could hear that person. And as the intensity would increase, you would see that on the screen in front of you, the person who was administering the shocks, that it could lead all the way to being fatal. 01:08:30:07 - 01:09:00:12 Speaker 4 And what we learned from that experiment, and it didn't matter if a person was screaming. There was people who were scripted into saying, I have a heart condition, please stop, I'm going to die. And the person who was wearing the white jacket, the. Clipboard would say, just continue. Just continue some phrase, right? And the person was in this position where they had to trust that the authority figure was never do such harm to another person. 01:09:00:12 - 01:09:38:16 Speaker 4 And so what it really was, was a reflection on how we are hardwired, or at least there's a percentage of people who are hardwired into following an authority figure, even if it creates indelible harm. And this is the book, Ordinary people going back to that, that time in Nazi Germany where morally, you know, morally upstanding people like teachers or police officers, churchgoers, Christian country were brainwashed into doing the most horrific of harms and atrocities. 01:09:38:17 - 01:10:11:02 Speaker 4 Right? Of course, it's wartime, but it just shows what people can become when they are detached from the collective humanity, the connection that we all have. And that's the danger of this, is when we consider ourselves to only have this one life. And Tracy and I have discussions about this quite frequently. When you view yourself only attached to this personality, you're Matt, you're Tracy, you but have this one life. 01:10:11:04 - 01:10:25:13 Speaker 4 You become very committed to staying alive as long as possible, right? And then your ego, your personality is what dominates. You think you have just one life to live. You have to accomplish it. All right. 01:10:25:14 - 01:10:30:11 Speaker 2 What's the saying? Yolo. Thank you. You knew what I was. Yeah. Yo lo. 01:10:30:13 - 01:10:33:00 Speaker 4 Just only one life, right? 01:10:33:03 - 01:11:07:04 Speaker 1 And it also makes it much easier to other people. Because if you if you if you're only here this one time, you're just this one person. Yeah. All these other people are very different from you. But if you consider the possibility that you've been them in other lives, you've if I'm that I have been a man, that you have been a woman, that we've been other races, we've been other viewpoints, we've been completely different personalities than all these ways we divide ourselves from each other, become ludicrous, completely ludicrous on the surface. 01:11:07:04 - 01:11:31:07 Speaker 4 But that's such a radical shift in consciousness and understanding our reality and what our platform is going to be, and the shows and the private shows with our community that we're going to be discussing is a shift in consciousness, like a shift in understanding of how you view the world. Because we are in a transition period, we are in an evolution. 01:11:31:07 - 01:11:41:17 Speaker 4 If human beings continue to act with such separation and attach to the ego, then we're going to destroy ourselves. We are on that path. 01:11:41:17 - 01:12:09:20 Speaker 2 And that's actually technologically, I, I wholeheartedly believe that that is part of the history of this planet. Because if you if you understand that there's many, many histories to Earth that we are not allowed to know as a population, I think that's it. And it's very simple. If your technology outpaces your spiritual growth, you will destroy yourself. You will destroy your society, you will destroy your planet. 01:12:09:22 - 01:12:39:09 Speaker 2 And there are many planets throughout this galaxy and many others where this is what happens. But when your spiritual growth outpaces your technology, then you evolve. And that's the difference. And that's what we have to do now. Technology will not save us. It never will. And if we think it will, we will destroy ourselves in that process. And I'm not anti-technology, but it's it's consciousness. 01:12:39:10 - 01:12:40:18 Speaker 1 Technology is not God. 01:12:40:18 - 01:13:13:05 Speaker 2 Yes we are. Everything is. And the moment we waken to this shift of omnipresence, of understanding that you are God, experiencing him herself, the is the self. Everything is a everything is a formless consciousness experiencing itself through form. And I've got a beautiful way to say this. The most beautiful thing I have ever heard about God, that anybody described God in this way was to whom I love, in a way that I cannot even describe. 01:13:13:08 - 01:13:46:17 Speaker 2 And he said that it seems in nature God sleeps in the minerals. He dreams in the flowers, he awakens in the animals, and in man knows that he is alive. That is God. When we understand that as a civilization, we understand Yeshua. We understand the simplicity of that Christ consciousness. That is when you begin to enter the consciousness of Christ. 01:13:46:18 - 01:14:15:18 Speaker 2 That is why he said, love your enemies because they're not your enemies. Love thy neighbor as thyself, because thy neighbor is thyself. The moment that we realize that we are only one thing experiencing itself collectively, then you don't have these luxuries in this ego mindset anymore. You cannot hurt other people. You cannot destroy those things because it is not Roger or Tracy I'm destroying. 01:14:15:18 - 01:14:17:01 Speaker 2 It's me I'm destroying. 01:14:17:02 - 01:14:24:10 Speaker 1 So how do you apply that, Matt, to Doctor Fauci or to the Nazis? How do you love your neighbor as yourself? 01:14:24:12 - 01:15:00:16 Speaker 2 That's the thing. You you have to get to a point where you realize that somebody who is historically like, I think most people would look at history and say, there's really next to nobody is Evil is like Adolf Hitler and Stalin and stuff like that, right? Nero, etc. you have to become in a place where you realize that God is at work in that person, and that's an incredibly hard thing for people to get to, because if God is all things, God is all things. 01:15:00:18 - 01:15:20:15 Speaker 2 So that means that you have to get to a point where you realize that the soul of Hitler and the souls of these people that did these heinous things, have now created a karmic lesson that will take them lifetimes, because now they have to, in their next lifetimes, experience those things that they put through people through, because it's part of the balance. 01:15:20:15 - 01:15:43:06 Speaker 2 It's part of how the karmic law works, you know? And I mean, and that's but again, the moment we start to understand this fundamentally as a society, our entire planet will change overnight. And I literally mean overnight because it just takes the consciousness of that affecting enough people to change it forever. 01:15:43:08 - 01:15:44:08 Speaker 4 It's inevitable. 01:15:44:08 - 01:15:45:14 Speaker 2 It is. It's happening. 01:15:45:14 - 01:16:18:22 Speaker 4 It's happening right now. And there's a lot of people who are awakening to this, understanding that they are more than just this body, that they see themselves as a spirit, a soul even. And the fear that was dominating their existence is starting to dissipate. You know, people probably see in this shot right behind you. Be not afraid. There's an important reason we have that there. 01:16:19:03 - 01:16:49:12 Speaker 4 And I think, I don't know how many times it's stated in the scriptures, but to me it's it's coded. It is it means that that energy of fear, which is a lower, heavier, denser frequency, has been used to manipulate us, control us, divide us throughout the course of human history. And that energy that emits from us in an energetic world of fear is utilized by nonphysical beings. 01:16:49:13 - 01:16:50:05 Speaker 2 Absolutely. 01:16:50:06 - 01:17:01:13 Speaker 4 And I know that sounds radical, and I know that sounds extreme, but I know that you also have the same understanding that we do on this subject. What does that mean to you. 01:17:01:15 - 01:17:03:08 Speaker 2 Specifically the. 01:17:03:10 - 01:17:07:22 Speaker 4 Nonphysical beings? Right. We're we're here. We're physical. Physical. Sure. Right. 01:17:07:23 - 01:17:11:01 Speaker 2 Well. 01:17:11:03 - 01:17:15:00 Speaker 2 I mean. 01:17:15:02 - 01:17:37:00 Speaker 2 Our senses are not the verdict of our reality. Our senses are what allow us to navigate this density. And when you people who have extra sensory what it's not extra, it's just your you understand that it's more than your physical senses. I mean, you know that there's more than this. I mean, science knows that there's more than this. 01:17:37:01 - 01:18:06:08 Speaker 2 We, you know, is very famous for saying that matter is mind, you know, I mean, the people that created relativistic and quantum reality all knew this, you know, that that's not a secret. And science knows this. That's one of the things that we lost in the early 20th century was when we removed this conversation of the ether from from the scientific conversation, and then it began into these and a subatomic level of trying to discover what is the smallest thing we can find. 01:18:06:08 - 01:18:30:20 Speaker 2 Well, that's part of how God works, right? The further you want to look, the further you'll find. Because if you want to look there, you'll find it. You know, the micro in the macro are just Russian dolls in, in, in and on top of yourself. But yeah, there are nonphysical entities. I mean, if you've ever run into a ghost, you know, which I have. 01:18:30:21 - 01:18:55:23 Speaker 2 I think most people a lot of people have had these experiences, you know, or if you've run into something that was some kind of very dark entity. I mean, yeah, there there are there are entities in this world that never have a physical form. And those are some scary ones, by the way. But I don't know, it's we make a great mistake by thinking that our five senses are the verdict of reality. 01:18:56:00 - 01:19:22:11 Speaker 4 Which is the dangerousness of material science and the material world. I mean, they use a lot of quote unquote science. And so much about your film is attention to this idea of trust. The science is they try to get you to submit your sovereignty to an authority, and they're coming from a material perspective that everything is of the physical and therefore genetic determinism is a big piece of this. 01:19:22:12 - 01:20:02:02 Speaker 4 Right. You're genetically vulnerable, which automatically takes away any sense of agency and control from the individual. But it's this complete indoctrination into this fear system that leads you then to, depending on that authority, that could be the government authority, but that can be the medical authority, which is a big part of today's story, is that we were completely disconnected from our intuition, that inner guidance system that I think we have to reconnect to, which is part of this evolutionary process, is that we have to understand ourselves to be divine, and we can set this energetic connection, be vessels for creation. 01:20:02:02 - 01:20:24:15 Speaker 4 And within that we experience these what we call the sixth sense, right? It is that intuitive nature that tells us what is right or wrong. But when you hijack the mind and the mind, the brain, that entity here, the ego that exists on this physical plane, is it's all about that survival mechanism, right? It's all about any way we can be controlled to try to survive that. 01:20:24:15 - 01:20:50:20 Speaker 4 We don't see ourselves as eternal beings. That's why being able to understand ourselves as eternal is absolutely necessary for this time and for this shift. So explain to us, you know, what does this mean to be in this three dimensional reality? And if we're going to talk about we have to evolve spiritually. It means so much more than just having a moral compass, doesn't it? 01:20:50:22 - 01:20:59:14 Speaker 2 You know, I think there's many there's a handful of answers to that. I think one omnipresent consciousness is experiencing itself in this place. 01:20:59:15 - 01:21:01:13 Speaker 4 What does that mean? 01:21:01:15 - 01:21:06:15 Speaker 2 God is experiencing himself herself. The self is he is. 01:21:06:17 - 01:21:14:02 Speaker 1 That favorite lines for that is you're not a person experiencing the universe. You're the universe experiencing being a person. Yeah. 01:21:14:05 - 01:21:39:01 Speaker 2 You know, and you start you get into a fact where you know, you know how video games work. We talked about this a little bit, but this is a very good case and point, because we know that this is how the universe works. You know, in a video game, you're not going to render everything behind your screen. You know, if you're in a POV inside of a video game, you're not going to render everything you don't see because you're putting all of your rendering power to where your eyeballs are. 01:21:39:07 - 01:22:05:14 Speaker 2 And that's how the universe works. The universe is there because we perceive that it is. It's not that our eyes. It's not that that universe is there in. We just happen to be here to experience it. It's there because we are looking there like that's what the double slit experiment tells us, right? Because observation is changing an outcome that should not be changeable. 01:22:05:14 - 01:22:36:22 Speaker 2 Because if material science has no place, if material science is is in some opposition to this level of of understanding, consciousness is is just matter itself. Well then an electron is going to go down the path that it always needs to go on. And if somebody observes that electron and it changes, that's telling you that the most fundamental particles of life itself a subject to your intention, they're subject to your observation. 01:22:36:23 - 01:22:48:18 Speaker 2 They're subject to where you'd like that electron to go. That means you are connected. That means that particle is you. There's no there's you know what I'm saying? I mean, that's the thing. It's like you're looking at you. 01:22:48:20 - 01:23:18:06 Speaker 4 So, Tracy, think about your creative potential. If this is true and there's actual science, post material science, quantum physics, quantum biology, there's this, this entire field that understands energy, frequency, matter that we kind of push outside of our attention. Right? We get focused on what they're going to teach us in biology class in public schools, or what's going to get pushed to us on social media. 01:23:18:07 - 01:23:34:06 Speaker 4 But if you take your attention to what's possible and if what Matt is saying is accurate, what that means is your entire existence, your reality, comes from within you. 01:23:34:08 - 01:23:42:03 Speaker 1 It explains why people seem to have such different experiences of reality and of the same event. 01:23:42:05 - 01:23:59:05 Speaker 1 Why people can come out of something feeling so differently about it, and why people can approach the same challenges in life. And some are destroyed in, some transcend. 01:23:59:07 - 01:24:29:14 Speaker 4 Can we can we have this discussion without trying to attach some greater meaning to our existence? Because this is one of the things that you see in the range of people who are either suffering or thriving is that there's meaning attached to this human experience. And when we look at the mental health crisis that exists in this country, what we're seeing is a crisis of meaning. 01:24:29:16 - 01:25:02:06 Speaker 4 But if you are ultimately a creator, meaning everything starts from within your consciousness, consciousness is fundamental and you have this ability to project outward into a reality, almost like it is a mirror. And every interaction you have, every experience you have, is for your soul's. Great is good, but it's coming from, in turn, your consciousness to bring it back to you for your own experience. 01:25:02:08 - 01:25:20:06 Speaker 4 Imagine how that can transcend all aspects of human freedom, sovereignty, health, and soul growth. It's it would be a revolution. Oh, yeah. And it's. 01:25:20:08 - 01:25:50:01 Speaker 2 It's the thing that can change. And to be honest, Earth's our planet's problems are minuscule. All of our problems that we think are so or so unsolvable are immediately solved the moment they realize that because people can't be hungry, when you know that that stomach is your stomach, when those people in another nation that are going through awful starvation, that's you. 01:25:50:03 - 01:26:13:06 Speaker 2 We can't allow that to happen. In a world where we know that I'm taking care of God. I'm taking care of the kingdom in myself and in the kingdom within them. And when Yeshua said that the kingdom of on earth will be as it is in heaven. That's how it happens. It's a realization, and it's the easiest one in the world. 01:26:13:12 - 01:26:40:22 Speaker 2 It's just not a message that we're allowed to hear enough. Because institutions of religion most of the time are there for control, because once it becomes an institution, it becomes manipulable, right? But when you're free of that, it's and that's the thing. It's the simplest truth. It's the Ockham's razor. It's the simplest reality. That's why this has to be true. 01:26:40:22 - 01:26:53:04 Speaker 2 Because there's not an element of science or our society or our experiences in any form of history, past, present or future that are not fully explainable in that reality. 01:26:53:06 - 01:27:31:08 Speaker 4 I've always been in awe of nature. Yeah, the complexity and the interaction of all nature in how all life influences all life. So when we talk about this connected, interconnected reality, right, this consciousness of all connection, which shifts us as human beings, I mean, we do have these mirror neurons where we experience empathy. I'm sure everyone who was tuning in to the early part of our podcast was feeling for you, because the one thing that we all collectively feel in this human experience is loss. 01:27:31:11 - 01:28:04:20 Speaker 4 Like we attach, we connect, we bond, we love. And then it's dialectical opposite is we know it's temporary and then there's loss. And then we feel that pain. And I believe there's growth from that. I think it's were informed of what love is through its expression of its opposite. But if we come to have respect for the complexity of God's design, right, then we look with a degree of skepticism. 01:28:04:22 - 01:28:39:00 Speaker 4 When these transhumanists want to interfere with that natural design, because we consider the downstream consequences. What people don't fully understand is what we understand. What we discuss as the scientific method is very limited, right? That if we're only going to observe something for a period of time, only through those five senses, not only are we missing the energetic and the spiritual, but we're also not following our studies down the line where there are consequence after consequence after consequence. 01:28:39:00 - 01:29:26:14 Speaker 4 So when you develop a technology that interferes with our own DNA, for example, the beautiful, amazing design of what that is where nobody here, not even our most evolved geneticists or most evolved scientists, can fully grasp the divine nature of what human DNA is. I believe it's a direct conduit to God itself. But those who were experiencing the intuition to resist a new technology somewhere inside of them were realizing that when you interfere with God's design in this way, you are playing Russian roulette. 01:29:26:15 - 01:29:27:09 Speaker 4 Oh, yeah. 01:29:27:12 - 01:29:55:10 Speaker 2 And and the thing is, is like there is a history, unbeknownst to us largely that this has this has happened before, many times before, you know, it's like other right back to what we were saying about technology versus consciousness, because they made technology their god, essentially, and they were destroyed for it because that's not who it is. It's like, you know, it goes back to like Lucifer himself. 01:29:55:12 - 01:30:22:04 Speaker 2 What was Lucifer's downfall, Lucifer's mistake. Because everybody told Lucifer. Everybody at the time, right? He's the morning star. He's the most beautiful and perfect and wonderful and loved of all angels. Right? And then in this tiny crack in his own consciousness comes in. And that thought is that that light, that is that omnipresent light of God, that is that is just pure being, which God is just pure consciousness. 01:30:22:08 - 01:30:49:23 Speaker 2 It's not God, it's me. That light is my own. I need to stand up for that light of my own. I know better because of that light within me. It is mine, not omnipresence. That's that's how easy it is. That's the first. That was the. That's how it started. That's the fall. And that's why we as human beings need to understand that lesson of this fall of Lucifer in in the Bible. 01:30:50:00 - 01:31:00:13 Speaker 2 That's how relatable it is to us every day. The moment we think that that light is our own and we can do with it what we will. 01:31:00:15 - 01:31:23:19 Speaker 2 The fall. And if you want to rise in consciousness and have a greater experience as a civilization, you realize that that is just one single being spread out in experiencing himself everywhere. And it's just it's like, again, it's like it goes to the interdimensional nature of the Bible that I was talking about earlier. I wouldn't understood that when I was a kid. 01:31:23:21 - 01:31:31:03 Speaker 2 I understand that now. Understand the lesson of it now. I couldn't have seen that before. 01:31:31:05 - 01:32:05:14 Speaker 4 Tracy, we started this conversation earlier. We were talking about trust for government, and when I was watching Follow the Silenced, what was absolutely mind bending for me was to the degree in which physicians completely trusted the FDA and the CDC, if guidance was not coming out from that organization, from that level of government, it is as if it did not exist. 01:32:05:15 - 01:32:34:14 Speaker 4 They couldn't even begin to fathom that what they were putting in people's arms were creating some of these adverse reactions that were occurring. It's almost as if something that was logical within them got shut off, and they weren't able to be independent scientists. They were only taking marching orders. It just showed us to the extent in which people that we have entrusted, we we view them as the most intelligence. 01:32:34:16 - 01:32:50:02 Speaker 4 Medical school is quite demanding, as everybody knows. So we attribute something to them, almost demigod like status. And we have full trust in them, because there's no way they would do something intentionally to harm us. 01:32:50:04 - 01:33:03:01 Speaker 2 Your experiment that you brought up just a moment ago, Mildred Milgram. Milgram? I mean, nail on the head, buddy. That's that's what drove it. That's exactly why physicians did that. 01:33:03:02 - 01:33:09:19 Speaker 1 So even our knowledge of the Milgram experiment is itself a sigh of did. 01:33:09:19 - 01:33:11:10 Speaker 2 You know? 01:33:11:12 - 01:33:21:20 Speaker 1 So what you know about the Milgram experiment? Tell me if there's if if it's other than this. But what you know about it is. 01:33:21:22 - 01:33:43:12 Speaker 1 The majority of humanity. If an authority figure tells them to hurt someone else, they will do so because the authority figure said so. That's basically basically. Yeah, yeah. Okay. So those experiments and the ash conformity experiments and the Stanford prison experiments, a lot of these were funded by the intelligence apparatus. 01:33:43:14 - 01:33:45:18 Speaker 2 Of course. 01:33:45:20 - 01:34:11:09 Speaker 1 What you don't know about was they didn't run that once and they didn't run it with only those variables. They actually discovered that if you told the person, I believe this is the case, go check me on this, people. But if you told the people emphatically that they had to do it, fewer complied. If the velvet glove came off the iron fist, more people stood up. 01:34:11:09 - 01:34:20:03 Speaker 1 But when you were told the experiment requires you to continue, which is different from I am ordering you to do it. 01:34:20:04 - 01:34:21:05 Speaker 2 Absolutely. 01:34:21:07 - 01:34:50:09 Speaker 1 You've got a higher degree of cooperation with an extremely authoritative statement that was not a forceful order. That's an interesting one, but there's a much more interesting one. They ran this experiment where there were two people who were going to give the shock. The second one watched the first one do it, and when the second one watched the first one say, I'm not going to do this. 01:34:50:10 - 01:35:15:04 Speaker 1 No, I would hurt that person. I can't do this to them. The rate of compliance for that second person dropped so low that it would raise your faith in humanity, because it should. Now, why does nobody know about that experiment? Because what you learn from it is that when somebody stands up unafraid, with a sense of love toward the other person, they become ungovernable. 01:35:15:06 - 01:35:38:15 Speaker 1 They do not comply. And the other people watching them much higher chance they don't comply either. And the fact that we don't know about that is in itself a sigh op ed. It's why everyone that chose to stand up during Covid, not from a you guys are wrong, I am right perspective, but out of a place of love. 01:35:38:16 - 01:35:56:23 Speaker 1 These doctors that you interviewed, those that did dare to stand up, had sent out ripples that nobody yet probably fully has an understanding of because other people saw someone stand up, do the right thing from a place of love, and it gave them courage to do it as well. 01:35:57:03 - 01:35:57:13 Speaker 2 Let me. 01:35:57:16 - 01:36:05:04 Speaker 4 Let me jump in there with some statistics. I'm so glad you brought that up, Tracy, because on these other. 01:36:05:06 - 01:36:18:17 Speaker 4 Aspects of the experiment that were run by these intelligence forces, it was 90% after somebody resisted, then 90% of everyone else would then refuse as well. 01:36:18:18 - 01:36:39:16 Speaker 1 And this is why during Covid, it was so important that we were all isolated in our homes, that what we were taking in was the approved left right fear dogma sources, that we were not seeing the people who were trying to go on to YouTube because we couldn't go into the public square. Right. And who were who were saying, guys, there's another way. 01:36:39:17 - 01:36:58:21 Speaker 1 That is why that censorship was so critical at that time was to keep people in the divided state and not see, you're not the only one having questions. You don't need to comply. And that is why the all the doctors who stood up, all the nurses who stood up, all the people who said no, guess what? I'm going to go. 01:36:59:03 - 01:37:14:21 Speaker 1 People in Australia, that pregnant woman who got arrested for sitting on a park bench. Those people are heroes of mine. They didn't do it out of hatred for the people who were getting it wrong. They did it out of love for the people they could help. And that's the most powerful energy in the world. 01:37:15:02 - 01:37:39:10 Speaker 2 And I'm very powerfully reminded, because this was something I remember when I saw this image, when I was in school of, again, to go back to that part of history, but when everybody was putting up the Nazi salute, and then there was that one guy that had his arms crossed, you know, and I mean, that always was an image that stuck with me forever, that, you know, the mass formation, when you're when you can see the mass formation, don't do it. 01:37:39:10 - 01:38:10:01 Speaker 2 Go away, get someplace else. Right. And another thing I heard somewhere in like 2020, maybe 2021. And it was kind of a mantra for a while, have the courage to be disliked, you know, because when when the mass formation is telling you that you're wrong. That's when it's the most important time to stand up for your own belief and for what your heart is saying, you know, and to kind of go back to what you're saying about the CDC, right? 01:38:10:03 - 01:38:36:16 Speaker 2 Do you know when you go to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, right, which is managed by theirs? Go look this up because this will shock you. It shocked me when I saw it. The CDC's guidance on bears. Right for for reporting Covid at the time 2020 was the Covid the very first thing that they say? The opening statement from the CDC, who says, please report everything. 01:38:36:16 - 01:38:40:00 Speaker 6 So that we can take all of this data and we can know what to do with it. 01:38:40:00 - 01:38:41:02 Speaker 2 The Covid vaccines. 01:38:41:02 - 01:38:42:09 Speaker 6 Have been termed. To be safe. 01:38:42:09 - 01:38:52:14 Speaker 2 And effective. And then it goes on to tell you more about, like, maybe you should report something, but even though they're not causal, you know, you may think that you're having a reaction. That's probably not what it is. 01:38:52:15 - 01:38:56:16 Speaker 1 It's like for the audience. Theirs is the vaccine adverse event reaction. 01:38:56:17 - 01:38:57:03 Speaker 2 Reporting. 01:38:57:03 - 01:39:12:06 Speaker 1 System reporting system. Yeah, yeah. And so you're basically saying that they the the place you had to go to report an adverse event. The first thing it did was tell you that's gaslight. 01:39:12:06 - 01:39:13:04 Speaker 2 You was gaslighting. 01:39:13:04 - 01:39:14:10 Speaker 1 You, but that. 01:39:14:12 - 01:39:36:15 Speaker 2 These are not the droids you're looking for right away. You know, which was in the film. Deb Conrad I mean, that's the thing that's like Deb did exactly what the CDC mandated them to do report everything when her hospital system told her, don't report any of these things. And then, you know, they go after her. She's she's putting the CDC documents in front of the hospital administrator. 01:39:36:16 - 01:40:04:13 Speaker 2 You mean that part right there with the CDC says report this this way. You're telling me that's wrong because that's a felony, major, major, major felony on the part of that, on the part of that hospital system. They told the physician not to report it. That's why so many people in the United States still today don't believe that there are adverse events to the Covid vaccines, because the CDC put pressure on the the what do they call the. 01:40:04:15 - 01:40:25:17 Speaker 2 You were a vaccination center and you would apply to do that, right? Deb's hospital was a vaccination center. So people would go there to get the vaccines. Of course, they're the ones that are going to be even more supposed to be strictly reporting. They're the ones the CDC made sure didn't report, still not really talked about. So of course you don't know because you can't see. 01:40:25:18 - 01:40:46:19 Speaker 2 You can't find what they don't want you to find, you know. And it's like that. That was one of the things about this that's so crazy is like, you know, there's all kinds of people that don't believe that this is possible. They're very intelligent people, you know? And in fact, to your point about about doctors being indoctrinated, well, who pays for medical schools in this country? 01:40:46:21 - 01:40:48:03 Speaker 2 Pharmaceutical companies. 01:40:48:03 - 01:41:06:11 Speaker 1 And you can go back further than that. Oh, yeah. Go back to the Flexner Report. So you have the the Rockefeller family who have all these petrochemical wastes that they need to want to use for something so they don't have to just pay to get rid of it. That was part of their motivation. But there was also a motivation of a desire for centralization and control. 01:41:06:11 - 01:41:24:14 Speaker 1 And they sent out a guy called Flexner to write a report on all the medical schools in this country. And, you know, he comes back with a report on all of them. And what did they do with this report? They go around to medical schools offering money in exchange for you putting some of our people on your board. 01:41:24:15 - 01:41:54:12 Speaker 1 An old trick. Some accepted, some didn't. What happened to all the ones that didn't accept? Well, they start the American Medical Association. And who got accredited? The ones who took the money and put someone on the board. The natural path schools, the homeopathic schools, everything. But the allopathic schools start to get shut down. And these these create a great medicine based model, chemical based model that that creates an amazing market for Standard Oil products. 01:41:54:14 - 01:42:14:12 Speaker 1 But what it did was knock out all the independents in the education of doctors. So now you have doctors going to school. Are they taking classes on critical thinking? They are not. What are they being taught to do? They are being taught to listen and regurgitate. You get your A by telling your instructor what your instructor told you to say. 01:42:14:13 - 01:42:15:02 Speaker 2 Yes. 01:42:15:02 - 01:42:33:16 Speaker 1 You do not get it by looking at what a patient is going through and disagreeing with the person teaching you. Yes. And so they're not coming out of there going through a brutal education system. It's rigorous. In some ways. They become very good at memorizing, but they do not become good at standing up to the system. So that's one piece. 01:42:33:16 - 01:42:58:07 Speaker 1 Then you look at the fact that in 1980, most many physicians, I'm not sure the exact percentage were still independent and working for themselves. Then medicine became corporatized, and most doctors are now working for someone else who can pull their paycheck. And if they disagree, and it is very hard to convince a man of something when his salary depends on him not understanding it. 01:42:58:13 - 01:43:25:02 Speaker 1 And that is a situation so many physicians in this country are under. And we saw this with friends that you and I have during Covid, amazing doctors who lost their jobs because they said, look, I understand this is your opinion. Medical system, hospital system I work for, but I'm watching someone dying in front of me. Their lungs are filling with fluid, and there's something I can do to save their life. 01:43:25:02 - 01:43:39:00 Speaker 1 And I'm going to do it whether you want me to or not. And we watch those hospital systems choose their patients dying and firing the doctor over, allowing a doctor to do what they felt ethically was in line with the Hippocratic Oath. Do no harm. 01:43:39:00 - 01:44:02:20 Speaker 2 100%, 100%. And even to follow that, because the next component of what you're talking about is what's Obamacare is health care. What is it? It's not Obamacare. It's the Affordable Care Act, Affordable Care Act, the Affordable Care Act, which, you know, we realize all these years later. And there was another there was another electronic medical document thing that was like in the night. 01:44:02:21 - 01:44:21:22 Speaker 2 Yeah, that was at 80 or 90 somewhere. Or maybe it was a little later, but it was a precursor to or Fordable Care Act. What does that do to doctors? It takes the private the private businesses or sorry, the private practices of physicians. Right. Which was how medicine has always been. It forces them into a record reporting system. 01:44:21:22 - 01:44:45:18 Speaker 2 And imagine you're a doctor at a small place. You've got all kinds of patients, all kinds of stuff to do. You're a busy guy, right? The last thing that you have time for is to do this mountainous amount of documentation that has to go to the federal government as part of the Affordable Health Care Act. Well, guess what happens if you don't hit, for lack of a better term, is like a quota or reporting the way that you're supposed to. 01:44:45:18 - 01:45:04:03 Speaker 2 If you get behind, you start getting penalized, you start getting penalized, and you start getting fined. Then you get penalized and fine to a point where you can't afford your practice anymore. And then a large hospital system who's absorbing private practices comes along and says, I'll fix your problem. Come and join us and be a part of this system. 01:45:04:03 - 01:45:15:06 Speaker 2 And now you are within our hospital system and we have standards of care you must follow. But you can still be a doctor. And then that's the other side of this that gets you to the right there. 01:45:15:08 - 01:45:37:12 Speaker 4 There's nothing more dangerous than corporate medicine, because it's about following these algorithmic kind of standards that have been set. You know, if something presents as this, then that, and it becomes about really just prescribing various forms of pharmaceuticals to suppress symptoms. We can go into we can go into a whole history of what Tracy brought up, the allopathic model. 01:45:37:12 - 01:46:06:08 Speaker 4 And what's interesting about what she brought up was that those families, including the Rockefellers, although they are the ones who are attributed to the demise of, like naturopathy medicine and other natural forms of medicine, they themselves certainly did not turn to the allopathic model. They were able to utilize regenerative farming, raw milk. 01:46:06:10 - 01:46:07:21 Speaker 1 They had the doctors. 01:46:07:22 - 01:46:37:21 Speaker 4 Yeah. So just, you know, for time purposes here, there's some things I think we have to tie together. Right. You know, there's two things that I think were certainly foundations of our discussion today. One of them was this understanding of a greater spiritual force in our lives outside of the physical. And I think you spoke to that very early when you when you mentioned that your your sister was communicating with you. 01:46:38:01 - 01:47:00:06 Speaker 4 Right? And Jesus was communicating with you. That was a guiding force. You knew at a very young age that there was more than just the physical beings of this world. And so you could you can feel that in your film is because what you chose to highlight was humanity, and you chose to allow us to develop a connection to people who were harmed. 01:47:00:06 - 01:47:21:14 Speaker 4 And then you looked at systems and how systems allowed that. The second thing I think that's really important is the susceptibility of all human beings to act in an evil way, to be divided, to be isolated, to act on our own egos. 01:47:21:16 - 01:47:48:17 Speaker 4 Your film, I think, is more powerful and more meaningful now than it was when it first came out. And the reason I believe that to be true is because we have to have these conversations. Not vaxxed first, anti-vax, not those who follow the science versus those who are anti-science. None of these words that they use to divide us Republican, Democrat, left. 01:47:48:18 - 01:48:11:10 Speaker 4 Right, race, gender. This is an opportunity for us to come together now, reflecting back, knowing what they did because it was intentional, it was clear. It was intentional. We have been under attack by our government and without a doubt forces larger than our government. And there's a lot more of us than there are them. 01:48:11:12 - 01:48:11:22 Speaker 2 Amen. 01:48:11:23 - 01:48:38:22 Speaker 4 And what they fear the most is that we collectively come together, and that we rise up against this level of evil. There is everything that's natural is under attack. Everything that is of life is under attack. That's why they poison our food source. That's why they create chemicals that are made in a factory to interfere with what is natural to why we have a mental health system the way we do. 01:48:38:23 - 01:49:09:12 Speaker 4 It's why raw milk is illegal in so many states. Everything that is pro-life, everything that is designed for us to heal, for us to thrive, our connection, the love for each other, our interconnected humanity is under attack. The only way that we survive any of this is to pull ourselves out of that control grid. And we do that by having conversations for the people, the families that were torn apart on this, this issue. 01:49:09:14 - 01:49:24:06 Speaker 4 And I want to get a closing kind of period of time for you to talk to us about what was actually in your heart, why you made this film, and what you hope that people will get out of it. Yeah. 01:49:24:08 - 01:49:43:14 Speaker 2 There's a few things I'd like to add, if you don't mind, in that. I'll tell you. I'll tell you why I've said it before, but I'll tell you all that in a second. I think one of the basic things that we need to remember, just from a purely scientific perspective on this, and this is something that we need to unpack as a society. 01:49:43:16 - 01:50:25:10 Speaker 2 MRNA is a code that tells your body to make proteins, and when you use mRNA transcription, you know, right, interacting with your DNA, it says, make these proteins. For me, the most basic element of science, which was one of the most egregious things here. When we understand the simplicity of this, a synthetic mRNA code was injected into the human population of this planet, and it told your body to create a protein for your immune system to see as an enemy and to prepare to fight it. 01:50:25:10 - 01:50:49:05 Speaker 2 Therefore, when you get a Covid infection, your body has trained right to defeat that virus. And it's literally supposed to hit those Ace2 receptors on the Covid molecule itself and stop it from getting further and further into this. You know, your cellular system. That's what makes Covid so damaging. The spike protein of Covid is what makes it so damaging. 01:50:49:07 - 01:51:23:07 Speaker 2 The mRNA transcription of the Covid vaccines was to create Covid spike proteins using your DNA, not a synthetic foreign DNA. Your individual like. Consider us all Mac addresses your individual address. That is, that is what is making it. So when everybody starts, this is the thing. There's no there's nothing that should be controversial about injuries from the Covid vaccine. 01:51:23:09 - 01:51:45:04 Speaker 2 Medicine doesn't understand autoimmunity yet. We know that it turns on, we don't know how to turn it off, and we don't understand all of its functions. Science does not understand everything about cellular biology and molecular biology, not by a long shot. So what you did is you told your body to make something for your own body to fight. 01:51:45:06 - 01:52:13:11 Speaker 2 That's autoimmunity. And for everybody from a scientific perspective that understood that that's why they didn't get the shot, because they understood that if my immune system is supposed to be trained to look for my own body to destroy, that is a systemic nightmare that will never stop until I'm dead. And I'm not saying that's going to happen to everybody, but I'm saying there is an incredible likelihood that everybody who took those shots are going to develop all kinds of health conditions. 01:52:13:11 - 01:52:34:20 Speaker 2 And here's the thing. We've had six years of a refusal to acknowledge this incredibly basic scientific principle. And in those six years and in the time to come. Do you know how many people in this planet, in this country, experience illnesses that they can't get to the bottom of because they don't know where the source was? And that's the other thing. 01:52:34:21 - 01:53:06:07 Speaker 2 Treatment modalities are based on origin, and if you don't know the origin of something, then you can't properly treat it. And until the United States government acknowledges this and accepts this and shouts from the rooftops until everybody understands what the reality of this is, this problem will only get worse. Because what are the flu vaccines now? MRNA? It's going to tell your body to make a flu virus that you're that's going to be your own body. 01:53:06:11 - 01:53:34:11 Speaker 2 Right. And that's another thing what happened in this process. They took a 15 year period that takes to say that something is safe. And they condensed it down to months and called that acceptable science. That is a profit driven system. It's not health care driving that. So I cannot stress enough to people do not take mRNA products for any reason ever. 01:53:34:14 - 01:53:38:01 Speaker 4 Matt. This is going to be mandated for our health care workers. 01:53:38:03 - 01:53:40:00 Speaker 2 So people they rise up. 01:53:40:00 - 01:54:02:07 Speaker 4 People understand that the flu vaccine is mandated for health care workers. Anyone who's worked in a hospital setting this large corporate medicine knows that if they refuse that vaccination, that they could lose their jobs. And it is that forced fear of losing something that is so important to you. You feed your family. That is what has led people to comply. 01:54:02:07 - 01:54:35:02 Speaker 4 But our federal government, HHS, they just passed the approval. They just approved the mRNA flu vaccine. So be careful of the Psyop. Absolutely right. Because it leads people a false sense of security that you have Robert F Kennedy Junior in that position, that we would not pass a vaccination with mRNA technology unless it was safe. But that is something that you can't determine has been approved. 01:54:35:07 - 01:54:53:19 Speaker 2 You don't have 15 years of data to say that it is. And if you take the data of people who were hurt from your product and throw it out, which is what happened to all of the trial participants in the movie, you don't have a real safety profile, right? It's the chicken. I'm sorry. It's the fox guarding the henhouse over and over and over again. 01:54:53:20 - 01:55:18:09 Speaker 2 People think that the FDA takes a bunch of data from the pharmaceutical companies and then goes and fact checks it. Hell no, that doesn't happen. It's not even a part of the process. The FDA takes whatever the pharmaceutical companies give them, and they implement it only after the fact in the human population do they start to say, oh, maybe there's a problem here that we should probably back up and talk to somebody about this. 01:55:18:11 - 01:55:38:21 Speaker 2 That's. This is a profit driven system. It's not a health care driven system. And to your point, we're a consumer based society. That means it's compliance. You have to comply with the consumer based society for the society to function. The moment 300 million people say I'm not complying, guess what happens? Everything changes. 01:55:38:23 - 01:55:43:20 Speaker 4 Is that the takeaway from today? 01:55:43:22 - 01:56:09:20 Speaker 2 Yeah. And I'd say that a big takeaway is listen to each other and love each other. I have dear friends that refuse to watch my film, and because they think that I am, let's to quote a friend of mine, a purveyor of hillbilly propaganda, because that's my favorite. But they they really think that this is just anti-vax crazy. 01:56:09:22 - 01:56:32:08 Speaker 2 And as long as here's the thing, you're not you're not a champion for science. By having this perspective, you're shielding yourself from responsibility. You have to listen to each other. Science is. And that was one thing when they started saying that this is the science. It's settled or else. No it isn't. That's not how the scientific method works. 01:56:32:10 - 01:56:56:01 Speaker 2 Everything's a theory. And even when it's proven, it's still being rigorously explored and taken down and reprocessed. So the idea that science has this dictatorship like quality to it is the most anti-scientific thing, anti-scientific thing there is. And that's what's crazy about some of these people that I love very much. But it's like, guys, you're not protecting science. 01:56:56:07 - 01:57:16:10 Speaker 2 You're you're doing the opposite. You're not even looking at the basic parameters of science. You know, I mean, it's a conversation. I do like what Robert Malone had to say about it. It's a song we sing together. I mean, it's true. It's there's not one person determining it, but you have to look at all of the data. If we need to correct all of this. 01:57:16:11 - 01:57:46:05 Speaker 2 And trust me, there's mountains and mountains and mountains of data available to people fall over this country for the government to access, to start to untangle this and tell people the truth. But that would also mean that they have to take responsibility. That would also and again, why would you what doesn't concern you when somebody has a product that has no liability, you that doesn't scare you, that this product is if anything happens to you? 01:57:46:06 - 01:58:10:09 Speaker 2 Nobody's held responsible for it. But trust us, know like think guys. And when somebody tells you get in line or else get out of that line and get everybody else out of that line to. But yeah, you, you know, like I made I'm we made follow the silenced for the people who would turn it off. Because that's who it's for. 01:58:10:10 - 01:58:35:08 Speaker 2 It's for all of you who believe that this didn't happen and that it can't happen. Because once you that's how I designed that film is like, you have to. That's so hard, right? Like, so heartbreaking for you. And it is for everybody that watches this film. And it is gut wrenching to watch it. But I have to give you the burden of their of the experience of the vaccine injured, because you cannot unpack Covid until you understand how it was for them. 01:58:35:09 - 01:59:01:08 Speaker 2 That's when everything makes sense. All of the censorship and everything. Everything makes sense. When you understand the experience of the Covid vaccine injury and especially the people that are in this film, the people that created react 19 you, the entire nation needs to understand their story. And till we are able to start to unpack the reality of what has happened to us and how to avoid it in the future. 01:59:01:10 - 01:59:07:11 Speaker 4 If you go to radically genuine com, you can watch Follow the Silence. 01:59:07:13 - 01:59:09:10 Speaker 2 Yes you can. 01:59:09:12 - 01:59:27:06 Speaker 4 And if you stay with us, if you join as a member to Radically Genuine, you'll be able to watch the after show. 30 minutes of Tracy and I reflecting back on this amazing conversation. Matt you're brilliant. 01:59:27:07 - 01:59:50:22 Speaker 2 Well, thank you brother, I you I have more love for you guys than I can put in words which you obviously know. Knowing y'all has been a deeply spiritual experience. It's like finding an oasis in your soul when you get to be with people who vibrate with you energetically and from that place of love, because that's our goal, is to increase that sense, right? 01:59:50:23 - 02:00:20:09 Speaker 2 To build that longer table, not to build a higher fence. And there's so much more. I feel like there's like, we could probably do a whole other episode on things, but it's just I appreciate you giving me a place to tell this story, because it hasn't had an opportunity to be shared the way that it should. And I do think that ten years down the road, I think this may be the film that people can come back to historically and look at it and go, but that was only that was God. 02:00:20:10 - 02:00:33:04 Speaker 2 It was not me. This film is not ours. It's it's it's for everyone. It's for the injured. It's for the people of this world, for the people of this nation. It's all of your films. That's why it's free. That's why we will never take a dollar for it. 02:00:33:05 - 02:00:47:20 Speaker 1 I want people to know that. That you and the others who made this film chose to make it and then put it out there for anyone to watch anywhere for free, because it was more important to you that the word got out than that you made a dime off it. And I thank you for that. 02:00:47:21 - 02:01:08:04 Speaker 2 Well, we need to thank Mickey Willis for that too, because Mickey Willis Mickey is the executive producer for this. Mickey paid for this. Mickey kept. This was supposed to be a three month project. It turned to a four year project because I had to become an investigative journalist to do this, which I didn't know I was. But I have a huge respect for journalism, and I could clearly see it wasn't being done. 02:01:08:04 - 02:01:36:20 Speaker 2 So that was my response. But yeah, and my dear brother Tyler for going through this. I mean, man, you can't imagine the heartbreak and the it it tears your soul apart to do this every day, 18 hours a day for years. And so everyone in Gabrielle and Nadia and everyone that in elevate everyone at react 19. I mean, there's so many people to name everybody that's in the film. 02:01:36:22 - 02:01:49:14 Speaker 2 I thank God for all of them because it took a village to do this. It really did. And without all of them and without that commitment, this film wouldn't exist. 02:01:49:16 - 02:01:54:17 Speaker 1 Matthew Lynn Guthrie, thank you for a radically genuine conversation. We can't wait to have you back. 02:01:54:18 - 02:02:14:08 Speaker 2 Oh, I can't wait to be back. I'm honored to be here. I'm honored that I got to help you visualize this. And thank you. I have great love for you both. And I believe deeply in this, in the saying Namaste. Because the divine in me recognizes and honors the divine in you. 02:02:14:10 - 02:59:29:14 Speaker 1 That's beautiful. 02:59:29:16 - 02:59:53:02 Speaker 1 And Atum. All three of those have to roll at the same time. We're live. Okay, let me let me camera sync for us. Okay. Camera slate. We good? Nice. Did you get the other cameras, though? You didn't. Well, we're isolating everything. Oh, okay. Ralph. Roger, do this a second. Sticks and clap. Second sticks. Okay. Do you need another one or you saw it on that? 02:59:53:02 - 02:59:56:09 Speaker 1 I think we're going to. Okay, good. All right. Okay. So you're slated. So. 02:59:56:14 - 03:00:22:01 Speaker 2 Okay. Yeah. The first thing that's really important for everyone in this room is when Tracy and I started receiving these downloads of information about what was next between the two of us, there were two important points. And this is before we even knew what this was going to eventually become. And the first one was be bold. So almost everything that we're going to do is without fear. 03:00:22:03 - 03:00:51:20 Speaker 2 It is to be completely genuine, completely real, without any type of fear of how this might be perceived. And the second thing, which is really important for everyone in this room, whether you're a guest, a producer, you're here with us is that there needs to be an energy that exists behind the words. We were told that reality isn't the way we believe, it is that it's an energetic reality. 03:00:51:22 - 03:01:18:21 Speaker 2 And that you reach people with a vibration behind your words, not the words themselves. So one of the things that Tracy and I will always do before every single show is we will generate that energy within us, and that energy can be termed love. That is a higher state of being. It's a higher frequency, it's lighter, it expands, it reaches people. 03:01:18:23 - 03:01:52:19 Speaker 2 Fear constricts. Fear isolates. It divides. There is nothing about this show that is going to be fear porn. Even the difficult conversations that we have. We are going to turn them around to bring people together in a world that's divided purposely and intentionally. That is not what this show is. This show brings people together. It unites humanity against the forces that we know are there to divide and create loose that loose fear energy. 03:01:52:20 - 03:02:19:20 Speaker 2 We are the opposite of what is going on right now in the media landscape. And so I want to say this right now, because there'll be a day you'll be able to rewind to this and hear it again. This show will be the most downloaded show in the country, potentially globally, because it was created in the fourth dimension. 03:02:19:21 - 03:02:49:23 Speaker 2 I know Matt understands what that means. Sure, something is created in the field. It is returned to you. Now with that is a tremendous responsibility because we're going to need to teach what we've learned. We are vessels. We are going to be tasked with waking up a large percentage of humanity. And there's a reason why. Be not afraid and love the people exists on both sides of this, because it is only through that energy. 03:02:49:23 - 03:03:19:07 Speaker 2 It is only through that frequency where a new earth is created. And it was fear in which we were divided. And when we have a conversation today about Covid, it's a blessing. Yes, because they revealed their playbook and no one did a better job of capturing that than you. And to me, there's a reason that this is our first episode, but it's a reminder to everyone that is here is your energy matters. 03:03:19:08 - 03:03:44:04 Speaker 2 Know what you're a part of, know what this is going to become because it's a catalyst to a lot of other projects. It's not just a podcast that becomes a movement, it becomes a media company. It funds large scale film projects, documentaries. It's going to build alternative healing centers. It's going to fund, you know, legal defense for people who are targeted. 03:03:44:05 - 03:04:17:23 Speaker 2 It's going to defend, it's going to fund new communities. And that's stated right here. There'll be a time one year, two year, five years, ten years down the line. We'll look back at this moment and let it be known it's already done. It has already been created. So when we have the most famous filmmaker in the world who created one of the most provocative films that starts to tear down an institution that's been created in darkness, we're going to remember it started here. 03:04:18:01 - 03:04:25:20 Speaker 2 You built this podcast studio, you've created this, and it's for something so much greater. 03:04:25:22 - 03:04:33:18 Speaker 1 Amen, buddy. Ralph, don't cut that just yet. Let's make sure. Say some want to check all the audio. So make sure you have some things to come in and say. 03:04:33:20 - 03:04:59:21 Speaker 3 I'm just so happy that this moment has finally come. It was created by us in our hearts and in our minds over the past year, and we proceeded in the knowledge it was coming at times when no one, other than the two of us knew it or had faith it was coming, and we simply knew it did. The funding came in miraculously. 03:04:59:22 - 03:05:28:15 Speaker 3 The place that is hosting this this beautiful, beautiful, high energy barn, it came to us miraculously. Every one of you who is working on this show came to us the same way we asked for you to come. And you did. And this is the beginning of something massive. And I understand that that will seem strange to people who don't. 03:05:28:17 - 03:05:34:14 Speaker 3 Create the way we do yet. But there will be a day you look back on this and understand it. 03:05:34:16 - 03:06:01:00 Speaker 1 Amen. Yeah. I mean, this is this is how prophecies from thousands of years ago come to fruition as we're in the middle of it right now. You know, and it's crazy to start to imagine that the reason that is, is because you were part of that decision thousands of years ago to be here at this time. You know, it's like our entire understanding of what it means to be a living, breathing, conscious entity is going to change greatly. 03:06:01:02 - 03:06:23:19 Speaker 1 There's limitations of people that we're going to begin to realize are there because we're in an illusion, and we're in a dream that we just wake up from and realize there's so much more, and that's Amen. And I'm grateful that we got to do this. I also can't believe that we did. Yeah. Well, so sort of equally shocked that this worked as well as it has so far. 03:06:23:21 - 03:06:25:10 Speaker 1 But yeah, it's. 03:06:25:11 - 03:06:48:02 Speaker 3 Through all the challenges with it. We had to just keep coming back to everything will come together at exactly the moment it should. And as both of you well know, there were moments where that felt. Unwise. It felt like we should be hammering down the doors of certain companies demanding our stuff. And I got very close to doing that. 03:06:48:02 - 03:07:04:17 Speaker 3 At times, the wiser angels of our nature intervened, and within three hours of making the decision to just go in and create that it would happen exactly when it did, all those problems resolved. 03:07:04:19 - 03:07:05:11 Speaker 1 Yeah. 03:07:05:12 - 03:07:34:03 Speaker 2 So before we start, I just want to set an intention. And the intention is to turn the dial that frequency to a higher and lighter space. There's a nonphysical energy that is present, and you can dial that in by setting an intention to be a vessel and to receive. And then when that happens, everything that is supposed to be said will be received in your heart. 03:07:34:05 - 03:08:00:13 Speaker 2 And so the intention is to come from that higher perspective. We'll call it the upper room as we move forward. And that is reflected in the work of the channel. They're called Paul Selig. So setting intentions sets an energetic chord to that upper room. Wisdom is there, love exists there. The knowledge of all things exist there. So whenever you guys are ready. 03:08:00:17 - 03:08:03:16 Speaker 1 That's what I would say. I am the bubble Mary. 03:08:03:18 - 03:08:11:03 Speaker 3 There's a little white case over there I just want it's a powder. I want to just hit your hit your face with it because it's starting to like the light is catching it in a way. 03:08:11:05 - 03:08:12:22 Speaker 1 How does that work? Ralph did that. Did.