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Patriots Draft Countdown: New Draft Trade Scenarios, Scouting College Safeties & Cornerbacks Ahead of the NFL Draft · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Less than a month to go before the NFL Draft.
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  Speaker 1: Today we're breaking down the defensive backs, chat with Field
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  Speaker 1: Yates and the latest Patriots news. Let's do it with
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  Speaker 1: the dirty first thick the New England Patriots. What Welcome
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  Speaker 1: sponsor of the New England Patriots. And guys, we are
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  Speaker 1: just under a month away from the Draft. We've been
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  Speaker 1: plowing through these shows. They were gonna talk a little
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  Speaker 1: about the defensive backs, but first I talk a little
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  Speaker 1: latest news minor bit, Pauli. Josh Dobbs released him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I saw this coming a little bit
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  Speaker 2: a couple of weeks ago when they decided to re
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  Speaker 2: up Tommy DeVito, gave him a two year deal sort of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, let him wet his beak a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: That told me that they were comfortable with him as
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  Speaker 2: the backup. Now, I didn't tell you exactly that Dobbs
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  Speaker 2: is definitely out, but it did tell me that they
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  Speaker 2: thought enough of Tommy DeVito that he could be the
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  Speaker 2: main backup. I would expect something down the road, though.
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  Speaker 2: Guys in terms of a developmental guy, whether it's sometime
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  Speaker 2: in Day three of the draft or sometime soon, but
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  Speaker 2: you need to probably need another arm to come in.
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  Speaker 1: Of course that we already did our quarterbacks episode. We
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  Speaker 1: named a few of them in that any anybody want
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  Speaker 1: to bring.
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  Speaker 3: Back, And well, I just I think it's an interesting
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  Speaker 3: conversation of are you going for like a raw ceiling
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  Speaker 3: kind of guy that's got some tools, that's got some athleticism,
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  Speaker 3: you know, like a guy that Hayne's king comes to mind,
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  Speaker 3: that that can maybe not even just play quarterback, but
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  Speaker 3: maybe do the whole Taysom Hill thing and play a
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  Speaker 3: little bit of offensive weapon, let's call it receiver. Or
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  Speaker 3: are you really looking for who's going to be Drake
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  Speaker 3: May's backup for the next ten years? You know, and
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  Speaker 3: you're trying to go that route. But either way, whether
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  Speaker 3: it's having a third arm and training camp an emergency
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  Speaker 3: quarterback come game day, it makes a lot of sense
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  Speaker 3: to carry three quarterbacks on the roster even into the season.
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  Speaker 3: So to only have two quarterbacks under contract right now,
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  Speaker 3: there's definitely at least one more quarterback coming so maybe
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  Speaker 3: even too as a UDFA signing as well to get
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  Speaker 3: to four to go into training camp because you don't
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  Speaker 3: want to You don't want to get into a preseason
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  Speaker 3: game where you have to play your top two quarterbacks
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  Speaker 3: you know a lot, so you're you're going to have
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  Speaker 3: another at least one more guy. But I am interested
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  Speaker 3: to see which way they go in the draft in
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  Speaker 3: terms of are they just looking for that steady backup,
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  Speaker 3: you know, not to say anything bad about this, but
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  Speaker 3: a Brian Hoyer perhaps or someone like that, or are
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  Speaker 3: they looking for somebody that has a little bit more ceiling,
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  Speaker 3: that has some raw athleticism too them.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe you develop them, maybe he turns into an asset.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I always think it's good business to draft
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  Speaker 1: quarterbacks generally. It seems like they have a need for them.
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  Speaker 1: One more thing, I want to talk about the guys
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  Speaker 1: Jackson Smith and j But just signed you know, a
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  Speaker 1: huge deal, highest paid wide receiver now in the game
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  Speaker 1: we saw in the Super Bowl how good. Well maybe
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  Speaker 1: not specifically in the Super Bowl as much as he
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  Speaker 1: did during the regular.
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  Speaker 3: Season debate, but tis.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, just again, the wide receiver market were reminded yet
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  Speaker 1: again that these guys are very valuable and that NFL
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  Speaker 1: teams once you find one. You better hang on to him.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I The dream is for the Patriots
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  Speaker 4: to get a guy of that offensive side of the
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  Speaker 4: ball to pay that right now, we got on the
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  Speaker 4: defensive side of the ball. The price of the brick
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  Speaker 4: keeps going up, so hopefully Gonzo's next. But the dream
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  Speaker 4: is to get a receiver like JSN here. I don't
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  Speaker 4: know what will happen, but that's the goal.
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  Speaker 3: Well, we got a lot here on tap today.
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  Speaker 1: First up, Thoughtist and Chris are gonna break down maybe
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  Speaker 1: some prospects worth trading up for the Patriots in the
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  Speaker 1: first round. I spoke with field Gates and then we
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  Speaker 1: got a nice long breakdown of all the safeties and
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  Speaker 1: cornerbacks it could possibly fit the Patriots.
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  Speaker 5: Check it out, Chris. We usually talk about mocks here,
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  Speaker 5: Yeah we do.
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  Speaker 4: But that being said, we're gonna skip on the mock
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  Speaker 4: drafts this segment and we're gonna go to mock trades.
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  Speaker 4: Oh all right, Like I like trade here and there,
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  Speaker 4: So I rot a little sheet here. I'm just going
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  Speaker 4: through a couple scenarios that might happen. So, as we
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  Speaker 4: all know, the Patriots have the thirty first pick, so
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot you can do with that. So scenario one,
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  Speaker 4: which I think is unlikely, but it's scenario.
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  Speaker 5: It's there.
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  Speaker 4: Trading up, right, We're at thirty one. What do you
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  Speaker 4: think it would take? Like, Like, my thing is, if
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  Speaker 4: you love a guy, example, Kenyan Sadik Oregan tight end,
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  Speaker 4: if he's there twenty five, twenty seven, I don't think
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  Speaker 4: he's gonna draft that far, but let's just say he's there.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that guy's a dog.
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  Speaker 7: He is, so like, what you do?
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  Speaker 5: What do you do? If you're Wolf?
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  Speaker 8: If I'm Elliot Wolf, I don't know if I'm trading
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  Speaker 8: up in this draft, Okay, I really don't. I think
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  Speaker 8: I think you either stay put try to get an
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  Speaker 8: edge rusher. I think your main focus early on is edge. Again,
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  Speaker 8: if you can trade up and maybe get like a
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  Speaker 8: stud wide receiver, like I don't know, something out of
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  Speaker 8: the ordinary that we wouldn't.
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  Speaker 4: Fully express, which is way up there, way up there.
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  Speaker 8: I think that's the that's the difference in that in
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  Speaker 8: that category. But I mean, for Sadik, he's a great,
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  Speaker 8: great tight end. I think you can still hold out
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  Speaker 8: enough later in the draft for a solid tight end
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  Speaker 8: in that category.
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  Speaker 6: I personally like the trade down thought though, get to
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  Speaker 6: the trade. But I'm getting I know, I know, I know.
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  Speaker 4: So one more thing with the trade up is like,
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  Speaker 4: what do you think would cost, because let's let's say
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  Speaker 4: you're going to twenty seven.
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  Speaker 5: I mean you're giving you're giving it up your second,
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  Speaker 5: you're giving up your second.
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  Speaker 8: Obviously, you're giving up your first, you're giving up your second,
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  Speaker 8: and I mean maybe.
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  Speaker 4: A fourth or you got a few fourths icy for
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  Speaker 4: next year too, But next year a lot of talent.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think we're gonna see a lot of those
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  Speaker 4: ones moved for next year. Hence the hold up on
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  Speaker 4: some of the trades this year.
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  Speaker 8: Right, I just I just don't think logistically it makes
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  Speaker 8: a lot of sense for the Patriots to move up
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  Speaker 8: right now, especially with where they're kind of sitting and
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  Speaker 8: who they're looking for.
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  Speaker 6: I think there will still be guys available.
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  Speaker 8: Kind of either where they are or if they were
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  Speaker 8: to go back into early second round type.
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  Speaker 4: Of we'll get there, Chris, don't worry, I gotcha, all right.
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  Speaker 4: So that's I think we can agree that's the most unlikely. Yes,
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  Speaker 4: all right, So we got scenario two trading for a
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  Speaker 4: proven vet, all right, So we we saw the murmurs
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  Speaker 4: of AJ Brown. It kind of seems like the first
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  Speaker 4: round picks the hold up, which it should be eighty
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  Speaker 4: Brown's up there. But listen, you you're a Pats fan
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  Speaker 4: like me. We've been hurt a lot by these by
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  Speaker 4: these prospects. You know, everyone turns out to be Drake
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  Speaker 4: mayor Christian Zalez.
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  Speaker 6: True.
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  Speaker 4: That being said, if there's a vet out there, you
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  Speaker 4: have a need. I'm just throwing a name out there.
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  Speaker 4: Budda Baker, safety Cardinals. I think he's twenty nine to thirty.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know if i'd give the first up for him,
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  Speaker 4: but you know it's an option.
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  Speaker 8: No, it is, for sure. I mean a guy like
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  Speaker 8: Buddha Baker. You kind of have that in Kevin Bider enough.
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  Speaker 8: So that's why way different play style, way different play style.
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  Speaker 6: But you kind of no, I know you didn't, you know,
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  Speaker 6: but you are talking about a guy like A J. Brown.
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  Speaker 5: Yep.
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  Speaker 8: Do you have fully what it's worth for him? At
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  Speaker 8: least with this year's picks. I think you're gonna be
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  Speaker 8: looking at next year's picks. Got it more importantly, especially
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  Speaker 8: with the upcoming draft and the importance of next next
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  Speaker 8: year's draft. But I think if we're just talking about
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  Speaker 8: the sake of A J. Brown's trade scenario, I think
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  Speaker 8: the Patriots are going to give up a first most
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  Speaker 8: likely you're going to give up a third.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe you're locked in on the first. Yeah, I don't
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  Speaker 4: know if the first is in play.
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  Speaker 6: I do.
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  Speaker 8: I actually do think that first, that first round pick
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  Speaker 8: is in play for the Patriots trying to get a J.
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  Speaker 6: Brown. But you know, I just think bigger picture here.
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  Speaker 8: I think you need to protect your picks because you
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  Speaker 8: don't want to be I don't know. I don't want
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  Speaker 8: to say careless, but yeah, you know you want to
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  Speaker 8: be cautious.
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  Speaker 4: This is the nucleus of your franchise, right, Okay, all right,
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  Speaker 4: So I was team trade the pick for a Vet,
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  Speaker 4: but as stuff has fallen into place, I don't know
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  Speaker 4: if that's the move anymore. When I say a VET,
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  Speaker 4: I mean like I'm shooting for the stars here. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you don't have thinking Jettas that's Evan would tell me
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  Speaker 4: to shut up. So we're going to scenario number three,
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  Speaker 4: which is the one you want, which is trading back,
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  Speaker 4: which the Patriots have done before.
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  Speaker 5: I mean they did it in uh twenty twenty two.
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  Speaker 5: They trade back.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, got cold strange, So we're not afraid to do
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  Speaker 4: that as a franchise. So that being said, what can
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  Speaker 4: you get? Like I ran a couple mocks of in
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  Speaker 4: the mock draft simulator of what a trade would look
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  Speaker 4: like with the thirty first So the first one I
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  Speaker 4: had was Carolina for the thirty first pick offered their second,
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  Speaker 4: their third, and a twenty twenty seven to fifth. The
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  Speaker 4: Chargers offered their second, their third at twenty twenty seven
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  Speaker 4: to fourth and sixth, and the Giants offered their second
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  Speaker 4: and a twenty twenty seven to fourth. So kind of
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  Speaker 4: seems like a game two picks plus some next year.
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  Speaker 4: You just got away how high up your second is
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  Speaker 4: because you're obviously your own seconds further back in the
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  Speaker 4: second round.
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  Speaker 8: It is, it is, And I mean I think that's
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  Speaker 8: the thing though, Like you use that first round pick
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  Speaker 8: and you're flexing out to try to get more either
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  Speaker 8: earlier in the second at least one earlier in the
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  Speaker 8: second and one earlier in the third my opinion, because
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  Speaker 8: again you don't want to lose its value necessarily, But
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  Speaker 8: I do think there's enough guys, especially at the edge
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  Speaker 8: rusher position, that if you were to trade back and pick,
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  Speaker 8: so you're picking sixth in the second.
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  Speaker 6: Round, yep.
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  Speaker 8: I think there's still value. You could still get the
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  Speaker 8: guy that you're kind of looking forward to.
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  Speaker 4: Percent Let's say hypothetically Casey conceptions at thirty one. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: just the stays there and some team picking high up
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  Speaker 4: in the seconds, like, let's up, they don't take him.
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  Speaker 4: There's a chance he could keep slipping, and then you boo,
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  Speaker 4: you got two seconds.
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  Speaker 5: The only thing, the only thing the shipping is with
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  Speaker 5: the first you get the fifth round option, which is
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  Speaker 5: obviously valuable. I'm team.
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  Speaker 4: If you like the guy and this is your guy,
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  Speaker 4: take him, especially in the first he gets the But.
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  Speaker 6: If you're confident, go with But if in your in your.
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  Speaker 8: World, yeah you talk about Casey Concio being there at
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  Speaker 8: thirty one, right, yeah, you trade back and he still
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  Speaker 8: keeps falling, and then you get message or and concepcion.
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  Speaker 8: You got an edge wide receiver. I'll see you later,
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  Speaker 8: I'll see you next time.
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  Speaker 4: So, so if we rank these scenarios, which one what's first?
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  Speaker 8: I think you know what my favorite scenario is trade
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  Speaker 8: trading back.
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  Speaker 2: If they sit sit yep.
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  Speaker 6: If you're not gonna sit, don't move up.
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  Speaker 8: Okay, I think trade Bass as a dog there, get right,
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  Speaker 8: but collect more picks, more value picks, because right now
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  Speaker 8: the Patriots have one pick in the first round, office, yeah,
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  Speaker 8: one pick in the second round, one pick in the
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  Speaker 8: third round. They have a couple of fourths, and they
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  Speaker 8: got a bunch of so I think something needs to
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  Speaker 8: happen with the sixth round picks. Sort of a long day.
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  Speaker 8: Thanks working your way up a little bit with those
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  Speaker 8: eight six round picks. You have none, not literally, but
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  Speaker 8: you know you've got to make some sort of adjustment there.
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  Speaker 8: I think you have enough leverage, especially in the fourth
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  Speaker 8: round picks and six round picks.
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  Speaker 6: Kind of work something up. Keep trading up in the draft.
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  Speaker 8: I don't know if it's necessarily going to involve that
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  Speaker 8: first round pick trade scenario or second round pictures now,
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  Speaker 8: we don't know. But if they're going to move from
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  Speaker 8: that first round, I think they move back collect more
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  Speaker 8: second round picks, potentially a second and a third. Kind
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  Speaker 8: of add more to the sweetened the pot a little bit,
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  Speaker 8: even though you're going a little bit further back in
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  Speaker 8: the draft.
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  Speaker 5: All right, guys, thanks for tuning in this segment. See
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  Speaker 5: on the next one.
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  Speaker 1: Are you reciting now? To be joined by Field Gates
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  Speaker 1: from ESPN to break down the Patriots offseason here, a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of free agency, a little bit of look
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  Speaker 1: forward to draft. Field, Thanks for taking the time here
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  Speaker 1: to hop on with.
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  Speaker 7: Me, no problem is glad to be with you today.
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  Speaker 1: So let's just start off with free agency. You know,
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  Speaker 1: Patriots seemed like a lot of one for one moves,
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  Speaker 1: you know, digs out, dobs in, et cetera. Out Just
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  Speaker 1: what were your impressions here of the Patriots moves to
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  Speaker 1: the early part of free agency.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, well said, and you could take it a step
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  Speaker 9: further with moves like Draymond Jones in Calebon Chase On out.
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  Speaker 9: They play a different style of game, but still guys
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  Speaker 9: that you expect to be or in the case of
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  Speaker 9: Chase on was a starter, a very solid starter for
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  Speaker 9: them at that he was especially great down this direction
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  Speaker 9: in the playoffs. Draymond Jones to expect to be a
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  Speaker 9: starting edgereusher for this franchise as well, based off the familiarity,
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  Speaker 9: the skill sets, and also the money, which is always
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  Speaker 9: a good thing to follow during free agency. So it
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  Speaker 9: feels like an off season that I feel like there's
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  Speaker 9: more to be done, and that what I mean by
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  Speaker 9: that is it feels like the Patriots still have some
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  Speaker 9: cards left to play, and that's not just the draft,
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  Speaker 9: it's other ways, other levers to pull to continue to
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  Speaker 9: improve this roster. Obviously, it's in very good shape there
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  Speaker 9: at the Super Bowl this past season, but there are
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  Speaker 9: couple of items on the to do list that I
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  Speaker 9: think this team is going to still look to address.
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  Speaker 1: Well, one of those items could it be AJ Brown?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, there's just so much talk. I mean, Patriots
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  Speaker 1: fans have been talking about AJ Brown forever. We've been
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  Speaker 1: doing this dance for a couple of years.
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  Speaker 7: Now.
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  Speaker 1: It feels now they're saying maybe after June first, what
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  Speaker 1: are your thoughts on that whole potential coming to fruition? Finally,
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  Speaker 1: AJ Brown to the Patriots?
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  Speaker 6: Is it real? Yeah?
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  Speaker 9: I think where I've landed with AJ Brown is that
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  Speaker 9: until either he comes out himself and publicly commits to
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  Speaker 9: wanting to be a Philadelphia Eagle for twenty twenty six
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  Speaker 9: and beyond, or until we get to the start of
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  Speaker 9: the regular season, I'm going to believe there's a real
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  Speaker 9: possibility that he has traded. There's just been so much
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  Speaker 9: speculation and so much smoked, and from some of the
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  Speaker 9: top insiders in the game. My colleague Adam Schefter has
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  Speaker 9: been talking about the possibility of an aj Brown trade
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  Speaker 9: and certainly made it seem like that is still in play.
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  Speaker 9: He's referenced to the Patriots or one of the teams
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  Speaker 9: is still right logical landing spot perhaps, at least in
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  Speaker 9: my estimation, the most logical landing spot for age A
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  Speaker 9: after June first.
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  Speaker 7: And I think probably most.
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  Speaker 9: Viewers and listeners of this program already know this, But
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  Speaker 9: after June first, who becomes a lot more palatable from
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  Speaker 9: a salary cap standpoint for Philadelphia to trade away a
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  Speaker 9: A Brown.
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  Speaker 7: So that's a long.
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  Speaker 9: Time to have to wait still two and a half
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  Speaker 9: more months from when you and I are talking right now.
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  Speaker 9: But for a player of this caliber and for a
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  Speaker 9: deal that would most likely involve draft capital, you can
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  Speaker 9: wait until June seconds to have a guy that would
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  Speaker 9: immediately give the Patriots their best offensive weapon for Drake
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  Speaker 9: May to distribute the football Tube.
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  Speaker 1: Just one more question for you feel about the offense.
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  Speaker 1: I felt like this was a real Josh McDaniels kind offense.
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  Speaker 1: You know, we see Reggie Gilliam come over from the Bills.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Gatt got to have his fullback. You know, he
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  Speaker 1: takes a little bit of a chance on on Vera
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  Speaker 1: Tucker who's had some injuries but has a high upside.
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  Speaker 1: It seems to me, you know, you've got to get
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  Speaker 1: a blocking tight end there. From Miami as well, it
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  Speaker 1: seems like they really are focused on maybe building the toughness,
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  Speaker 1: the physicality. Short yardage was in an issue for them
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  Speaker 1: last year. And then you also bring in Dobbs. How
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  Speaker 1: do you see that all coming together?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I totally agree, especially on those first three players
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  Speaker 9: that you reference, kind of the identity of what they
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  Speaker 9: bring to the table. Reggie Gilliam, hard knows, excellent full back,
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  Speaker 9: also great on special teams to help in that regard,
• 14:17
  Speaker 9: Julian Hale a name that I don't know how many
• 14:19
  Speaker 9: people knew a whole lot about. Julian Hill has got
• 14:22
  Speaker 9: a very interesting background prior to playing in the NFL.
• 14:25
  Speaker 9: But to your point, he is going to help the
• 14:27
  Speaker 9: running game as well, playing that very unique scheme in
• 14:30
  Speaker 9: Miami where he was on the move a lot and
• 14:32
  Speaker 9: carving out some paths for guys like Devon Chen who,
• 14:35
  Speaker 9: of course was excellent for Miami these past couple of seasons,
• 14:39
  Speaker 9: but short yardage has to be better. You know, there's
• 14:41
  Speaker 9: always this push pull when you've got a quarterback like
• 14:43
  Speaker 9: Drake May who can run the tush push and student
• 14:46
  Speaker 9: that stays in twenty twenty six and beyond, but also
• 14:50
  Speaker 9: a quarterback that you want to protect. And then beyond that,
• 14:52
  Speaker 9: you've got a player in Trayvon Henderson who we know
• 14:56
  Speaker 9: how electric Traybon is. He was unbelievable for stretches last season,
• 15:01
  Speaker 9: but his role decreased down the stretch and into the playoffs.
• 15:04
  Speaker 9: He feels like the kind of guy that's at his
• 15:06
  Speaker 9: best running between the tackles with somebody leading the way
• 15:10
  Speaker 9: for him. He's just not going to be this gigantic
• 15:13
  Speaker 9: power back. And Ramandre was great last season, especially down
• 15:17
  Speaker 9: the stretch. It was kind of the reverse of how
• 15:19
  Speaker 9: Trebon's impacts played out. But I think that both of
• 15:22
  Speaker 9: those guys will benefit from having a hammered head in
• 15:25
  Speaker 9: front of them.
• 15:25
  Speaker 7: Jack Westover gave them good snaps last season.
• 15:28
  Speaker 9: Jack much more of an angular blocker, the kind of
• 15:31
  Speaker 9: guy that's a factor in the passing, at least he
• 15:33
  Speaker 9: was during college, a factor in the passing game, but
• 15:36
  Speaker 9: not the kind of fullback that we have seen for
• 15:39
  Speaker 9: a lot of years for the Patriots with Josh McDaniel's
• 15:41
  Speaker 9: most recent versions include the likes of Yakub Johnson and
• 15:44
  Speaker 9: maybe Reggie Gillian can give you a.
• 15:46
  Speaker 7: Bit more of what yacht gave you for those years
• 15:48
  Speaker 7: in New England.
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: I love the yacht shout out, of course, love it.
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: Love our German Yako Johnson. But let's get let's get
• 15:53
  Speaker 1: in the draft, little bit field and this is weird.
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: We're last couple of years, you're talking top five picks
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: and it's going to be one.
• 15:59
  Speaker 5: Of two or three guys.
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: Now we're back to picking at the bottom of the
• 16:02
  Speaker 1: first round where you know, I always like that spot
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: a little bit because maybe something gets pushed down that
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: you weren't really expecting. Maybe it's not a huge need,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: but there's a very talented player. I want to talk
• 16:11
  Speaker 1: about this edge class. It's still a huge need for
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: the Patriots. Every time I look at a mock draft,
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: I get down to a thirty first spot.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: Who's the edge?
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: You know, it's either somebody has to slip through the
• 16:20
  Speaker 1: cracks or maybe you're reaching a little bit. Just what
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: are your general thoughts down there at thirty first overall
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: here in this draft.
• 16:26
  Speaker 9: Well, there's two ways in which this is trickier to
• 16:29
  Speaker 9: forecast for the Patriots in the past couple of years,
• 16:31
  Speaker 9: where it was picked three and then picked four, and
• 16:33
  Speaker 9: that third pick two years ago was especially easy when
• 16:36
  Speaker 9: it was going to be a quarterback and there were
• 16:38
  Speaker 9: three outstanding prospects at the top, and you just take
• 16:41
  Speaker 9: whoever is left over. And I think the Patriots are
• 16:44
  Speaker 9: thrilled the Drake May is the guy they got. I think, frankly,
• 16:47
  Speaker 9: all three teams were thrilled with how it played out.
• 16:49
  Speaker 9: But that's a different conversation for a different appearance here
• 16:52
  Speaker 9: on the show. This year, it's more difficult, not just
• 16:55
  Speaker 9: because of the fact that there are infinite scenarios that
• 16:58
  Speaker 9: could take place between one and thirty, the thirty picks
• 17:01
  Speaker 9: that precede the Patriots, but also it's this very unique
• 17:04
  Speaker 9: draft class. It's a draft class that I would say
• 17:06
  Speaker 9: bereef the blue chip talent. There are a few guys,
• 17:09
  Speaker 9: but not a lot of real difference makers and what
• 17:12
  Speaker 9: you find and earlier today I dropped my top fifty
• 17:15
  Speaker 9: on ESPN dot com and I try to be judicious
• 17:18
  Speaker 9: and checking comments on social media when you do things
• 17:21
  Speaker 9: like that. However, I'd imagine that there are probably some
• 17:24
  Speaker 9: people that are frustrated about certain players being too low,
• 17:27
  Speaker 9: maybe a couple of players being eyebrow raising in terms
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: of how high they are. But this is that draft class.
• 17:33
  Speaker 9: This is very much a choose your own adventure draft class.
• 17:37
  Speaker 9: I don't think there's tons in the way of consensus.
• 17:39
  Speaker 9: So for the Patriots at thirty one, I think the
• 17:41
  Speaker 9: needs to me would stack up in some order of
• 17:45
  Speaker 9: continue to at ed drushers, a wide receiver with the
• 17:48
  Speaker 9: caveat that of an aj Brown. Trade might get done
• 17:51
  Speaker 9: after June first, It's not quite as pressing of a need.
• 17:54
  Speaker 9: I think a number two tight end or number three
• 17:56
  Speaker 9: tight end, and how you want to categorize it, a
• 17:58
  Speaker 9: guy that can give you a little bit more than
• 18:00
  Speaker 9: what we have seen so far from Julian Hill as
• 18:03
  Speaker 9: a pass catcher. With Hunter Henry going into the final
• 18:06
  Speaker 9: year of his current contract, those are some of the
• 18:08
  Speaker 9: positions that come to mind for me. And then continuing
• 18:12
  Speaker 9: of course, to hammer along the offensive line. I think
• 18:14
  Speaker 9: they have their five guys if they were to play
• 18:16
  Speaker 9: a game tomorrow, But I all are you know they
• 18:20
  Speaker 9: have any chance to have their five guys if they play.
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: A game tomorrow.
• 18:23
  Speaker 9: I certainly think you know, the Avt signing gives them
• 18:26
  Speaker 9: some real versatility and helpside when.
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: He is healthy.
• 18:29
  Speaker 9: But they need to continue to add depth there as
• 18:31
  Speaker 9: we saw during the playoff, and you base off against
• 18:34
  Speaker 9: the Beast pass rushers, past pass rushers and pass rushers
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: as a group, you got to have not just five
• 18:40
  Speaker 9: guys you can really count on, but a great protection
• 18:42
  Speaker 9: plan and also some depth.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Love what you're saying about the edge and the tight
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: end groups. I mean those are two position groups of
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: the combine. We heard Brabel Elliott Wolf both mention those.
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, the tight ends totally hear what you're saying,
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Like I just they get younger, get a young one
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: of these athletic guys, Matt Clair from Ohio State one
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that I like. But I want to talk about two
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: other positions down there though. And you had Caleb Lomu
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: from Utah as a tackle taken in thirty first overall
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: in your first mock draft, which you know. To me,
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: I think that's a need too. I'd also look at
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: the safety position. You know, does one of those guys
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: get pushed down a little bit. It just signed Kevin Byerd.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: He's on a one year deal. He's still playing at
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: a high level. You've got Craig Woodson kind of locked in,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: But that could be a long position of need our
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: tackle and safety, maybe two dark horse positions down there
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: at thirty first overall that you could see them consider.
• 19:26
  Speaker 9: I try to remind consumers of my content this all
• 19:29
  Speaker 9: the time, is that, like other than quarterbacks, everything's kind
• 19:34
  Speaker 9: of a need for the Patriots because the NFL is
• 19:36
  Speaker 9: a unpredictable and there's a salary cap, so players that
• 19:39
  Speaker 9: are currently fixtures may not be fixtures for the next
• 19:43
  Speaker 9: five or six years. So I think that offensive line,
• 19:47
  Speaker 9: just in general it's talked about a need. Safety could
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: be a need as well. And I think that what
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: we realize with safeties, and this is something that has
• 19:55
  Speaker 9: really shifted over the past couple of years, is that
• 19:58
  Speaker 9: there's a specific type of safety that a Mike Rabol
• 20:01
  Speaker 9: and Zach Orr and Terrell Williams defense is going to
• 20:04
  Speaker 9: prioritize and value. Right, there were guys who just a
• 20:07
  Speaker 9: couple of years ago looked like they were going to
• 20:09
  Speaker 9: be fixtures for the Patriots and Kyle Dugger and also
• 20:12
  Speaker 9: the Broke Peppers, and then both of them are gone. Obviously,
• 20:15
  Speaker 9: the Gealen Hawkins for Kevin Bayern swap is one that
• 20:18
  Speaker 9: brings tons of familiarity. It's also a one year deal
• 20:21
  Speaker 9: for a safety in his thirties. Is Kevin Bayern. So
• 20:24
  Speaker 9: if you can find a guy that provides some of
• 20:26
  Speaker 9: that ability to chop off explosive plays down the field
• 20:29
  Speaker 9: like Buyer does.
• 20:30
  Speaker 7: He's got premier ball skills. He led the NFL interceptions.
• 20:33
  Speaker 9: Once again last season, died byed but safety is probably
• 20:36
  Speaker 9: a bigger need than maybe he is currently being forecasted.
• 20:40
  Speaker 9: And the Patriots showed last year that you can get
• 20:42
  Speaker 9: some good players in the rounds of the draft.
• 20:44
  Speaker 7: Craig Woodson was just excellent for them, and a guy.
• 20:47
  Speaker 9: That was a one hundred and second overall I think
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: it was for Craig, so not quite in the middle
• 20:53
  Speaker 9: of the draft, but just prior to the proverbial fifty
• 20:56
  Speaker 9: yard line of the twenty twenty five NFL Draft.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Well Field, I know you got another mock draft coming out.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: You want to tease that at all. I don't want
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: you to give anything away, but you know this is
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: what we live at breathe on here in the spring.
• 21:06
  Speaker 9: Yeah, pass catcher will be one of the themes actually
• 21:08
  Speaker 9: a two round mock draft, so a pass catcher, and
• 21:10
  Speaker 9: but that there will certainly be a note in there
• 21:13
  Speaker 9: that this could all change if AJ Brown is eventually
• 21:16
  Speaker 9: shipped to New England. The delicate balance that you know
• 21:20
  Speaker 9: Elliott Wolf and Mike Vrabel are dealing with is that
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: you know there's no way to agree to a deal.
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: It's contingent upon getting done after June first, Like the
• 21:29
  Speaker 9: NFL does not allow that. You can have an agreement
• 21:32
  Speaker 9: in principle, but it can't be fully executed. So for
• 21:36
  Speaker 9: any number of reasons, the deal that you think is
• 21:38
  Speaker 9: done on March nineteenth may not be done once June
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: second rolls around. So you almost have to go into
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: this draft counting on receiver as a need. Address it
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: if you so desire. Keep in mind that AJ Brown
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: could become available, but I'm sure the Patriots and Eagles
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: have have had plenty of conversations about how realistic that
• 21:57
  Speaker 9: could be. And we still have five weeks until the
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: NFL drafts, so even more time for them to kind
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: of flesh out the parameters of a potential deal. The
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: pass catcher will be a need there for the Patriots.
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: I would note that they're in that sweet spot at
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: the back end of the first round as well that.
• 22:14
  Speaker 7: Teams will call right.
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: It's not just teams that maybe want to get up
• 22:18
  Speaker 9: in the back end of the first round for a quarterback.
• 22:21
  Speaker 9: And this does feel like one of those years where
• 22:23
  Speaker 9: we could see a team move up for Tyson Simpson
• 22:25
  Speaker 9: out of Alabama, but I think he will make it
• 22:27
  Speaker 9: into the twenties. But the other thing that I would
• 22:30
  Speaker 9: note is teams do want that fifth year of contract control.
• 22:35
  Speaker 9: The Carolina Panthers moved up a couple of years ago
• 22:38
  Speaker 9: from thirty three to thirty two to get Xavier andly
• 22:41
  Speaker 9: get the wide receiver out of Seuth Carolina, and it
• 22:45
  Speaker 9: could be that they wanted the fifth year of contract control.
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: That's theal in motivation.
• 22:50
  Speaker 9: It also could be that if you know a team
• 22:53
  Speaker 9: is convinced that Seattle or whoever might be picking at
• 22:55
  Speaker 9: thirty two is going to take who they really want
• 22:58
  Speaker 9: to the top of the second round, it could be
• 23:00
  Speaker 9: motivated to jump ahead and get to number thirty one.
• 23:03
  Speaker 9: So trade back is something that I think almost every
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: team likes to do. Especially in a draftcout class like this,
• 23:09
  Speaker 9: So wouldn't surprise me if the Patriots are proactive and
• 23:12
  Speaker 9: finding suitors that could come up to number thirty one overall,
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: just given the fact that I think the caliber of
• 23:17
  Speaker 9: player between thirty one and thirty seven forty is pretty similar.
• 23:25
  Speaker 9: Even in the draft in which the Patriots have, at
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: least right now the third most picks of any team
• 23:31
  Speaker 9: in the NFL, A.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Lot of uncertainty when you're down there at the bottom
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: of the first round makes a little bit more exciting.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: I think, of course, they trade out. Could be a
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: long night, but we'll let that happen to you. Thank
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you so much for taking the time, and we'll continue
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: to look out for your mock drafts and see what
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: comes about in April.
• 23:45
  Speaker 7: Thanks dude, appreciate you having me on.
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: All right, we're breaking down the defensive backs today. That includes,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: of course, the cornerbacks and the safety group. Maybe not
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: positions of overwhelming needs, certainly not the cornerback spot where
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: the top three guys are going to return tease, But
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: why don't you set the table a little bit for
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: us here at the cornerback spot, of course, Christian Gonzales,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: maybe up for an extension. That's a big part.
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: Christian Goanzalez certified as one of the best corners in
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: the league. Obviously you don't know what the extension situation
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: is going to be. You got Marcus Jones who got
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: the extension last season twenty twenty five, Carlton Davis coming
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: in for year two, and then you got some of
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: the younger guys Kobe minor, Charles Woods. We had marself's
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: dial off the injury, so it's listened. Nothing wrong with
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: taking a cornerback, but we got some depth.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, ev what are we looking for at the cornerback
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: position right now? All things considered what they have, but
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: just a generation.
• 24:34
  Speaker 3: I think that you know, if you're looking for somebody
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: that's going to step in at twenty twenty six, it's
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: probably another player on the outside as insurance for either
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Carlton Davis or Christian Gonzalez. If you're looking for long term,
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: maybe the nickel spot gets in there a little bit more,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: and we can talk about as we blur the lines
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: here at defensive back between safety and corner some of
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: the bigger nickel players that you know can come in
• 24:57
  Speaker 3: and add some size to that position. I think that's
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: really what you're looking for in terms of the immediate future.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Is a third outside corner that can rotate in and
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: maybe take some of the load off those guys, or
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: if there's an injury and then is there a bigger
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: body type that maybe you'd want to put inside to
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: help Marcus Jones out with, you know, some of those
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: big boys at tight end and things like that.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: Let's just rifle it off the top. This is kind
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: of four guys to me, probably not going to be
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: there based on you know, mock drafts, and of course
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Manser Delaine, Avion Terrell, Colton Hood, Jerab McCoy Hood McCoy.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I really like both those guys. I don't know if
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: there's a world where that would ever happen. All those
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: guys are talented, though, but when I see, you know,
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: physical players that can play a little bit of z own,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: a little bit of man, that to me kind of
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: speaks to what they're looking for. Any of those top
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: four guys, Chris, for you that you enjoyed, I.
• 25:46
  Speaker 6: Mean you mentioned McCay. I think that was one that
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: really stuck out to me.
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: But coming off of an injury, right, yeah.
• 25:51
  Speaker 8: So I mean you want to see where you can
• 25:52
  Speaker 8: come or sort of develop following the injury. But you
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: know a guy that showed out to me personally and
• 25:58
  Speaker 8: accept another direction here is friend and cis you know,
• 26:02
  Speaker 8: potential to be a late first round pick.
• 26:04
  Speaker 6: I know there's a lot of speculation.
• 26:06
  Speaker 8: Obviously, the Chiefs just trade away Trent McDuffie, so they're
• 26:09
  Speaker 8: gonna be looking for a corner in some sort of
• 26:11
  Speaker 8: area there. But you know, quality guy sort of sideline
• 26:17
  Speaker 8: of sideline cornerback covers your outside, great against tight ends,
• 26:21
  Speaker 8: very strong, fast, ran a four, three, five forty, Like
• 26:25
  Speaker 8: you know, he's a guy that's he's a special dB.
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what about the top four? Have you got anything
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: on those guys?
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: I would just say with Colton hood like, he's probably
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: the one guy that's projected the most sort of at
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: that back end of the first round. I highly doubt
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: the Patriots are going to use the thirty first pick
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: on a corner. But I was looking at him a
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: little bit the other day, and the NFL dot Com
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: Lands Airline comparison is Carlton Davis. So if you're looking
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: for a player that kind of fits the suit and
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: fits that mold, if we're going to have that conversation.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: But you know, I would say the guys that I
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: wrote down to specifically highlight today are more in that
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: mid round, maybe starting at the end of the third
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Worth round range, because I think that's kind of we're
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: we're talking about them drafting for depth, not necessarily drafting
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: for starters.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: With with Coltonhood, who I really liked, it's kind of
• 27:08
  Speaker 4: one of those situations. A lot of the mocks have
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: the Seahawks taking him, and it kind of makes sense sense.
• 27:12
  Speaker 4: Riquel and left, So I mean, big physical corner. I
• 27:15
  Speaker 4: like when the corners can jam the receiver matchup against
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: the big guys. So would be a good fit, just
• 27:19
  Speaker 4: just might not be the year for it.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean. Staying kind of on these top level guys.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Chris Johnson from San Diego State, another guy so really athletic,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: great feet, you know, not great size or long speed,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: but a versatile guy. Let's move on though, to some
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: of these you know, later round guys, and I'm just
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: gonna bring up to that that I enjoyed watching I again,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: looking guys with some feistiness to their game. Keith Abney
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: from Arizona State and Dalen Evertt from Georgia and Dalen
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Evert from Georgia. I just I mean, he's sixty one,
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: one ninety six, he ran a four to three eight,
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: he's played forty one.
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: Games in the SEC.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: To me, he just looks the part he's experienced. I
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: really just responded to him, I don't know if you
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: did a ding ding, what.
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: Do you guys? Yeah, yeah, I mean he's the number
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: one guy on my list right now because I think,
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: you know, probably starting at the end of the third
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: round is where his name is going to be called.
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: He had a really great combine and I wonder if
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: that pushes him up into securely into that top one
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: hundred range. While you start to talk about guys in
• 28:13
  Speaker 3: their system that they are playing a little bit more
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: zone coverage, so you still want to have that ability
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: to play man to man, which I think ever it has,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: but then you also really are going to be foundationally
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: a zone coverage team. That's you just describe the Georgia Bulldogs, right,
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: And I think a lot of the things that Georgia
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: does with their palms or quarters coverages and things like
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: that are similar to the way the Patriots want to
• 28:35
  Speaker 3: play coverage on the outside. Great athlete. As I mentioned,
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: you know, one of the best testers at the combine
• 28:41
  Speaker 3: ran in the I want to say, high four threes
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: or something. Yeah, yeahs got some size to him as
• 28:48
  Speaker 3: well with that kind of speed. So we're describing a
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: guy that, you know, most people are listening to this
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: probably like, well, why is this guy going in the
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: third or fourth round? He might not, you know, like that.
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: That's the reality of it. Now that we're getting into
• 29:00
  Speaker 3: this later stages a lot of these consensus boards, you
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: see his name starting to creep up into the third
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: round and even beyond.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Let's stop talking about him then maybe, yeah, maybe we
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: can push it too much type. Did you guys have
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: any thoughts in him? I know I shared him as
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: one of the names.
• 29:12
  Speaker 8: That no, no, not nothing, nothing directly on him necessarily
• 29:16
  Speaker 8: from there.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I got some later guys.
• 29:18
  Speaker 5: I had Willie Lee just a good from Texas A
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: and m wille three.
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Willie three, I think that's a great that's a
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: great name. Willy three. No, just a good nix between
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: a man and his zone. You know, could put in
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: multiple places, good developmental prospect. If we're talking about a
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: depth guy outside Torreona Pride who ran a four to
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: three to two, which keep his name. We'll talk about
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: him in the safeties. But you can't teach speed. So
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: I think there's nothing wrong with taking a cornerback who
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: could run fast at the later rounds.
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: Yeah for me, for me just to jump into another
• 29:43
  Speaker 6: later round guy. Uh. Devin Moore from Florida. Uh, very lengthy.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 29:48
  Speaker 8: You know, green coverage, good downfield, can stand up right
• 29:52
  Speaker 8: when he's back only sometimes, but you know, thinks these things.
• 29:55
  Speaker 6: Can be adjusted.
• 29:56
  Speaker 8: I think these are important things to folks on because,
• 29:58
  Speaker 8: like we talked about the top of this, you're getting
• 30:00
  Speaker 8: a developmental guy. You're getting a guy that you can
• 30:02
  Speaker 8: help grow and and sort of a Justice gameplay and
• 30:05
  Speaker 8: I mean more is dealt with some injuries, but again
• 30:08
  Speaker 8: still also develop selsa grow. But you get into an
• 30:10
  Speaker 8: NFL system, especially here in New England, potentially you know
• 30:14
  Speaker 8: who knows what you're happening.
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: So we mentioned Dylan Everett, who I think is probably
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: gonna go high, probably top one hundred or at least
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: third round. Charles Demings from Steven F. Austin is kind
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: of like the other Dylan Everett, who's similar kind of player,
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: but smaller school and mic Go in that fourth round.
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: So you look at those picks at one twenty five
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: and one thirty one, you know, he makes a lot
• 30:35
  Speaker 3: of sense in that kind of range. But still another
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: six to one hundred and ninety pounds four to four corner,
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: you know, so has the size of speed to play
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: man to man, probably needs a little bit more seasoning
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: and zone coverage. It would probably be the next step
• 30:49
  Speaker 3: for him. I also just got to mention Lorenzo Styles
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: from Ohio State just because he's a Buckeye and we
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: know who the head coach is. So his brother Sonny
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: is going to be probably a top ten, top fifteen
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: tick in the draft. But Lorenzo Styles, as we sort
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: of segue, I brought him up here because we're just
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: gonna start talking about the safeties. He's kind of like
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: a nickel safety hybrid type of player that played a
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: lot over the slot at Ohio State and projects as
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: a guy that can play man to man out of
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: the slot, but has some size that maybe he can
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: do some safety things too. So like him, Jalen Kilgore
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: from South Carolina, that Genesis Smith from Arizona. Those are
• 31:29
  Speaker 3: the types of guys that have a little history of
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: playing pure slot corner that maybe the Patriots could be
• 31:34
  Speaker 3: interested in. I'm interested to see when Lorenzo Styles goes
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: because all the attention at the combine was on his brother,
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: and then he went out there and had a ridiculous
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: workout himself, and it's like, what is this family? Like, Like,
• 31:48
  Speaker 3: what is going on?
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: Is Monny and Lorenzo Styles elite athletes?
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: Great names?
• 31:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah?
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: And his mom's like in the stands and she's like
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: rooting for both of them, and I'm like, mom, like
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: what did you do? And so I think Lorenz those
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: Styles is probably an early Day three pick, you know,
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: maybe in the top one fifty. Yeah, And I you know,
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: all the trades that you look for, well have you used?
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: You started to turn the page. Why don't you set
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: the table though for us at the at the safety
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: positions because there was a huge transition this year, and
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how many people would have
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: expected that the twenty twenty five Patriots, we're gonna get
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: rid of Kyle Dugger and Jibril Peppers turn it right
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: over to rookie Craig Woodson. Jalen Hawkins, primarily a special
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: teams player, comes in and starts. Now you bring in
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: Kevin Byerd, I think we can all agree. You know,
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: there's some depth questions here and especially long term with
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: the one year deal, But what do you see out
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: of that position right now when you look at these prospects?
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: What checks your box for this is the Patriots kind of.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: Guy coverage coverage coverage, Like I feel like we're out
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: of the days now with the Patriots where playing in
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: the box, playing starting closer to the line of scrimmage,
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: being able to you know, do basically like that hybrid
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: linebacker safety thing. I don't know if we're in that
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: world anymore. I feel like now with the Patriots defense,
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: they want guys that can cover a lot of grass
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: on the back end, that can play over the top
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: of the defense, that can play quarters, that can match
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: the slot. I think that's probably one of the most
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: important things in terms of the level of difficulty of
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: the assignment. You know, when they go to three by
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: one and they go to quarters in two by two,
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: if they go to a bunch formation offensively, those types
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: of things, usually the safety ends up in man coverage
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: on somebody. So you need someone in that mold that
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: has a little bit of coverage skills in man to
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: man and can run with people and can carry verticals,
• 33:32
  Speaker 3: can catch verticals down the field, you know, ten twelve
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: yards off the ball. So it's not so much the
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Kyle Duggars, the Jabriel Peppers is the world anymore. Now
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: it's the Craig Woodson. It's like the guys that can
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: really cover in the back end. That box needs to
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: be checked first and then we can start worrying about
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: physicality and run defense.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I remember asking you something similar there in the season.
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: You're like, well, you know, like Kevin Byern. Now here's
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: Kevin Byron. Of course there's a consensus top guy here,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Caleb Downs. I'm gonna let you guys jump in on
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: him and Thieneman because I'm gonna let Evan go on
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: Emmanuel McNeil Warren because I know he's got a little
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: bit of.
• 34:06
  Speaker 3: A little bit of I got a crush on both
• 34:08
  Speaker 3: him and Dylan. I mean that that combine workout is
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: like he's a beast.
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: He's three year start around like a four to three
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: seven or something. He's he watch his tape, He's everywhere
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: like that. That's that's the dream. I mean, Evan, would
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: you say first round or probably the top twenty, top twenty.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: So like that's one of those things if if he's there, like,
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: do you make the move? Like I think it's a
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: worthy conversation, right if he somehow slides like which I
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: don't think he will, but like you just gotta think
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: Evan's talking about, Yeah, he might not start this year,
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: but like there's he's a beast.
• 34:38
  Speaker 5: There's something you can't pass up on.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, quarter about down, So we got to talk
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: about down then. I mean, look, there's no hope of that,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: but him at the combine talking about Matt Patricia, the
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: impact that he had, I mean, talk about a guy
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: that can do everything. Some team's gonna get a really
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: good player.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: There's sometimes when you like hear about prospects and you
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: hear the hyperbole of like this is the best safety
• 34:59
  Speaker 3: prospects since Ed Reid, and I'm like, no, this might
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: be the best safety for prospects. Sin said read like
• 35:03
  Speaker 3: that might actually be true in this case. I don't
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: a guy that wears as many hats as he does
• 35:10
  Speaker 3: and has the ability to play in all three levels
• 35:12
  Speaker 3: of the defense, and Matt Patricia used him as a
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: pro safety last year. Moving him around and hunting matchups
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: and putting out fires and all that kind of stuff
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: that you saw for years here in New England with
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: their safeties. So he hit. The hype is one hundred
• 35:25
  Speaker 3: percent real with him. You know, I I didn't honestly
• 35:28
  Speaker 3: haven't watched him a ton closely because I get into it.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I think that the one thing that you
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: did hear a little bit with him coming out of
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: the combine is maybe some concerns about his knee and
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: his injury not hit history in terms of what he
• 35:44
  Speaker 3: happened at Ohio State because nothing really happened, but his
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: longevity of his career because of maybe some of those
• 35:50
  Speaker 3: types of medical things. But that's like maybe a team
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: that's picking eleventh that like, and I'm making that up,
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: but like maybe that is trying to get him to
• 35:57
  Speaker 3: fall or something like that, because there's there's really not
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: a lot of holes in his game.
• 36:02
  Speaker 6: No, he's an absolute stud.
• 36:03
  Speaker 8: I mean, Caleb down is one of my personal favorite
• 36:06
  Speaker 8: safeties in the Tricks. I know he's everybody's favorite safety
• 36:09
  Speaker 8: in the tribe, but he's just so dynamic and fun
• 36:12
  Speaker 8: to watch him. I Mean, we talked about these multi
• 36:14
  Speaker 8: layer guys like Craig Woodson, great fine for the.
• 36:16
  Speaker 6: Patriots, especially last year.
• 36:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, he's a guy you know you talk about playing
• 36:22
  Speaker 8: like deep third of the field, kind of ballhog safety
• 36:24
  Speaker 8: style what you need now, and Craig Woodson is added
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: that piece to the run league solid, one of the
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: better tacklers from the secondary.
• 36:33
  Speaker 6: And Caleb Downs, I mean he can do it both
• 36:35
  Speaker 6: ways too.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I was really I pressed with Woodson though
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: this year just the quick at side, like just yeah,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: he looks like a free safety. He understands how to
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: navigate traffic and how to get the ball and tastes
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: good angles. It's a great building piece, and especially his
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: playoff was outstanding. But just moving on to you know,
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: some favorites. I'm not going to talk about him bug Clark.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: You know one favorite of mind that the two guys
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: I want to mention though that I just is aj
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Halsey from LSU and Trade and Stokes from Arizona, two
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: guys that I kept coming back to.
• 37:01
  Speaker 5: Halsey.
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: We're in a four or five two not great, but
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: he just he's got the build and and I mean
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: maybe to Evan's point, he's not quite the run all
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: over the place kind of a guy. But he's just
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: one where you drawing a certain kind of players and
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, he looks the part to me, maybe
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: he would play a third safety kind of role. And
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: then with Stukes there's there's no speed concern with him
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: four three three, But just with him watching him, he
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: did everything that Evan talked about. He can play off
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: the overhang, he can blitz, he can play in the
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: back half. Those are just two guys probably you know,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: second third round in there. Maybe not quite the matchup,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: but those were just two guys to me that that
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: stood out.
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Halsey's an interesting player. He's one of the more
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: fun safeties to me in this class because of how
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: he hits. Yeah, he's like one of the He's one
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: of the only guys other than McNeil Warren who's like
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: really physical. These other guys that were gonna talk about
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: are cover players and rangey players and you know one
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: ninety five two hundred pounds run well, Halsey's the one
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: guy that really is an enforcer over the middle of
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: the field. Now. I think the issue with him though,
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: is that he's a little bit rigid, a little bit stiff.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: He doesn't quite have the sideline the sideline range over
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: the top of the defense. So he's going to be
• 38:13
  Speaker 3: a scheme specific player and he's not going to be
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: for everybody, and his role in the NFL is going
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: to be really really important, Like some team is going
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: to have to figure out how to keep him out
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: of those like dynamic foot races down the branches.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe a little you know, yeah, I mean, I know
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: it's a little different, but it's similar kind of you're
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: going to have to do something special.
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: He's one of the biggest safeties in the class too.
• 38:38
  Speaker 3: You know, two hundred and fifteen pounds is big for
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: safety these days, So he's one of those we lost
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: over McNeil Warren. Just touch for a second, you know,
• 38:49
  Speaker 3: I think that with him, you know, I see a
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: lot of highlights about him playing the deep part of
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: the field at Toledo and making plays on the football,
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: and I think that's in there. But I I think
• 39:00
  Speaker 3: really his destiny is that Kyle Hamilton, nick him and
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: Warry Roll where he's playing more in the box or
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: over the slot, specifically in a lot of the you know,
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: nickel and dime packages where they use big safeties these days.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: In those roles, his ability to you know, make plays
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: on the football, his length, his tackling ability, his ability
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: to take on blocks and hold up run plays in
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: that sense, are all just plus plus plus trades across
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: the board.
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Good, No, I don't want, I don't. I just is
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: there any chance one of those I mean, obviously not downs,
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: but is there any chance that one of those top
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: three safeties is there at thirty one?
• 39:36
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. I mean McNeil Warren's probably the
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: best case like in terms of somebody falling there. And
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: I do think the Patriots reportedly had him in for
• 39:43
  Speaker 3: a thirty thirty visits, so they obviously feel like he
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: might be somebody that could slip through the cracks to
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: thirty one. I think the two things that maybe make
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: him fall that way now, Quinjon Mitchell went to Toledo,
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: so it's not like Toledo's never had a guy that
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: they produced in the NFL. But it's not a big
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: time program, so you are seeing a level of, you know,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: jumping level of competition from Toledo to the NFL. I
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: would also say, like I was kind of getting at
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: he's a taller, leggier corner safety, so like when he's
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: back there, I don't know if he's going to be
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: a true free safety at the NFL level because of that.
• 40:18
  Speaker 8: The thing though, despite his height, I feel like a
• 40:20
  Speaker 8: big thing for him is, like you mentioned.
• 40:22
  Speaker 6: It, it's his physicality.
• 40:24
  Speaker 8: Like being in safety and being that physical is exactly
• 40:27
  Speaker 8: what a team wants to see, and I feel like
• 40:29
  Speaker 8: that's such a big, big role to fill, especially here
• 40:32
  Speaker 8: in New England. So I mean I really like his physicality.
• 40:35
  Speaker 8: I mean he had nine force fumbles. He's a tackling machine,
• 40:39
  Speaker 8: peanut pinches like.
• 40:40
  Speaker 4: Everyone talking about ballhawks and stuff, which I like. But
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: I like my safety still to hit like I Chancellor. So,
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: like I mentioned with the corners, there was Pride from
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: Missouri who ran a four four to three, So this
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: guy stands out Robert Spears Jennings from Oklahoma, myself Pride.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: Pride ran a four three four three two at like
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: one five. This guy is six two two o five
• 41:04
  Speaker 4: and ran the same speed like Cream.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: He's a train, like he's gonna be a later round guy.
• 41:08
  Speaker 4: But like just physical on the ball there and then
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: for the more realistic Day two thing, I like Zachy
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: Wheatley from Penn state just.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: Another thirty visit guy. Yeah, he he definitely has the
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: cover skills that they're gonna look for. I wrote dad
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: and in my notes with him, pure free safety, Like
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I think he is a pure over the top player.
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: He's got lengthed but he's a little bit lean in
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: his frame right now. But I think his movement skills
• 41:32
  Speaker 3: and coverage and his ability to play over the top
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: of the defensor are really really good. So I think
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: there's a group of those types of players, you know, him,
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: Ramsey from USC kind of fits that mole. You know,
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: those guys on day two you can you can talk about.
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: Chris, he's setting you up.
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: You know, those are the types of players. You know,
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: just mentioned Bud Clark, who's a cresh of mine, and
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: like the third or fourth round, those guys are if
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: you're looking for people that can cover, you know, that's
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: what you're talking about. And I also want to talk
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: about Genesis Smith a little bit too, but you go
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: ahead with.
• 42:04
  Speaker 6: No, it's all good, Yeah, no you touched. I say coverag.
• 42:06
  Speaker 8: Thing for Ramsey, very very yes, very appealing from Ramsey.
• 42:12
  Speaker 8: You know, you can put them deep, you can put
• 42:14
  Speaker 8: them in the slot. You know, really trusted and coverage.
• 42:17
  Speaker 8: He sees the ball well, and I think his ability
• 42:20
  Speaker 8: to crash on receivers and really force that impact and
• 42:23
  Speaker 8: force the ball out of the hands, I think that's
• 42:25
  Speaker 8: a that's a major, a major positive for him. And
• 42:28
  Speaker 8: I mean he had the knee injury that that kind
• 42:30
  Speaker 8: of sideline number there was twenty twenty five, but again
• 42:32
  Speaker 8: like just another guy kind of coming and can still
• 42:34
  Speaker 8: develop and you know, possible day two, day three guy.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: So I like what you're getting at with ball disruption
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: because I think that's you know, not enough turnovers last year. Yeah,
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: think that's they think it's reallyant kind of it gives
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: the defense its personality when they turned the ball over
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: open the floor, anybody got another and I'm sure you off.
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: A couple more So. Genesis Smith from Arizona interests me
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: because in twenty four he played the nickel spot there
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: at slot Corner, and then in twenty five he went
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: back and played a little bit more free and I
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: had a lot of more you know, interceptions and ball
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: production there. But I actually watched some of his twenty
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: four tape at Slock Corner and I thought it was
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: pretty solid too. So he's a guy that can do
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  Speaker 3: a little bit of both of those things, like kind
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  Speaker 3: of like a free nickel hybrid, which is sort of
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  Speaker 3: what I think they want their safeties to do and
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  Speaker 3: maybe what they could be looking for long term. Jalen
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  Speaker 3: Kilgore is a favorite of mine. He's a pure nickel,
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  Speaker 3: like big nickel that could come in and, you know,
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  Speaker 3: maybe play when you play a team that's gonna play
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  Speaker 3: multiple tight ends or play a full back or something
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  Speaker 3: like that, and you want to be bigger in your
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  Speaker 3: nickel package. I think Jalen Kilgore is one of those
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  Speaker 3: types of guys do as you mentioned Bud Clark like that.
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  Speaker 3: That to me looks like Craig Woodson two point zero.
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  Speaker 3: You know, he can play you know, quarters coverage, he
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: can play man to man, he can fill the alleys
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  Speaker 3: in the run game. Yeah, he's a ball hog. He
• 43:51
  Speaker 3: gets his hands on football sometimes at the detriment. Sometimes
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  Speaker 3: he takes too many risks trying to get hands on footballs.
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  Speaker 3: But I think that he's the type of guy that
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  Speaker 3: kind of when I watched him, I was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots asked their safety to do this, They asked
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  Speaker 3: him to do that. They asked him to do that,
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  Speaker 3: and he was kind of checking all the boxes. Then
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  Speaker 3: you sort of get into like the VJ. Paines and
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  Speaker 3: Ja down too. Yeah, Like I got to get a
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  Speaker 3: little bit lower in the draft, you know, Jacob Thomas
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  Speaker 3: from Miami. Like now we're talking, you know, maybe fifth round,
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: sixth round safety prospects that I'll do a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: But VJ.
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  Speaker 3: Pain's an interesting one. He's he's a fun play. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I liked him too. I mean the same thing you said.
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  Speaker 1: I saw him at free safety, saw him in the box.
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  Speaker 1: He's six three two oh six with a four to
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  Speaker 1: four forty two game starter captain. Yeah, yeah, I like that.
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  Speaker 1: I think like that to me makes sense, Like day three,
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  Speaker 1: early day three, you get your guy to learn behind
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  Speaker 1: Byron and Woodson. Maybe next year he's able to take over.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's the question is are they are they looking
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  Speaker 3: for the future starting safety of the New England Patriots
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  Speaker 3: or are they looking for a complimentary player to the
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  Speaker 3: twenty twenty six New England Patriots. Because if it's the
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: complimentary player, then we're looking at the box nickel types
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  Speaker 3: that can play against bigger person because they're gonna have buyered,
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  Speaker 3: they're gonna have Craig Woodson. Those guys are gonna play
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  Speaker 3: in the deep part of the field. If they're looking
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  Speaker 3: for Kevin Byerd's on a one year contract, he's thirty
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: three years old, YadA, YadA, YadA. Then we're talking about
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  Speaker 3: drafting one of these like Bud Clark's or something like
• 45:13
  Speaker 3: that that can cover people. This is some crossover.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we'll probably talk a lot about
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: this on Draft Countdown as we get closer to the draft.
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  Speaker 1: There's just you know, how do they get more in
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: the tank to cover tight ends. Do they you know,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: try to help at the winebacker position. Is that a
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: coverage position or are they looking at, you know, one
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: of these guys like Halsey who could maybe play in
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: the box and kind of play some of that role.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting how they're gonna approach it, I don't think any
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: of us know, But that's why we're here on Patriots
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