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Living a Faith Your Kids Can See At Home with Jim Daly & Transformation Begins with Surrendering to the Indwelling Spirit with Dr. Crawford Loritts · Karl and Crew

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  S1: Broadcasting from Chicago, across North America and beyond. It's Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S2: Come as you are an experienced guide, overcome what seems
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  S2: impossible and live as you never imagined.
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  S1: Start your morning with a laugh.
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  S2: Cold spaghetti's. Great. Okay.
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  S3: Okay, I disagree. I guess not. No, I guess certainly
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  S3: it is not. No. Okay. Well, man, I'm going back.
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  S2: To my bachelor days. I guess I thought cold spaghetti
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  S2: was universally loved.
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  S4: I've never been known for, like, high levels of coordination.
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  S4: That's just. It feels like.
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  S2: I've never been known for high levels of coordination.
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  S1: Delivering the truth daily.
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  S4: If it were possible to have every worldly gain available
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  S4: and you're forfeiting your soul. There's no amount of gain
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  S4: that would make it worth it.
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  S5: Our own way never ever works because it's apart from
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  S5: the life source, which is God.
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  S6: For me, growing up, love was always conditional and can
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  S6: be taken from you. Christ's love can't. And he went
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  S6: to the cross with my mind and my heart that night.
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  S1: Now from the call of Hope Studios, this is Carl
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  S1: and crew.
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  S2: All right. We got Ali getting a little R&R today.
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  S2: So we got Carl, dude, and the woman with the boot.
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  S2: So I want an update. Woman with the boot. Formerly
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  S2: known as Super Di and formerly known as Diana Berriman.
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  S2: How are you doing, young lady?
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  S6: I'm doing okay. I'm doing okay. He's he's joking with
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  S6: the boot. Actually, I don't have the boot because I
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  S6: drove this morning.
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  S3: So super.
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  S2: Di.
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  S6: I rolled my foot.
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  S3: Super.
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  S6: Di.
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  S3: Sometimes.
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  S2: I love you and you tick me off. You got
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  S2: to wear that boot, don't you?
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  S6: I can't wear driving though.
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  S2: Well, no, no, but can you wear it walking around.
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  S3: Well I'm supposed.
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  S6: Here, but by the time I cross the street and
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  S6: come into work, I'm like, it's wrapped. I do have
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  S6: it wrapped.
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  S2: Oh, you do have.
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  S3: It.
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  S6: Right? I do have it right.
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  S2: Okay. I'm going to give you that. That's good.
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  S6: Now you can see it. I have it.
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  S3: Wrapped.
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  S6: Good.
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  S2: Good. I'm glad you got it right.
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  S5: It's just about 30% of what the boot does. Just
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  S5: about 30% of what?
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  S6: The boot up next Monday, and they'll give me an update.
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  S2: So I kicked her cat.
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  S3: No, she.
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  S7: Oh, wow.
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  S5: She was.
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  S3: Trying.
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  S6: I was trying to avoid.
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  S2: Yeah, I know. Isn't it funny how when you're trying
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  S2: to step over something and then you pay the price?
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  S6: Sometimes I turned around and there was the cat with
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  S6: its back towards me, actually kind of eating a treat
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  S6: that my son had put on the floor. Didn't realize that.
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  S6: And I'm like, oh, oh no, oh no. And yeah,
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  S6: I stepped to the side. Not gracefully whatsoever. Heard some
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  S6: very disturbing sounds come out of my foot and thought, yeah,
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  S6: this isn't right.
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  S2: See, you forgot when you were in the air. You
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  S2: should have said in your mind. Five, 678. Dum dum
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  S2: dum dum. Put down there. We're gonna be okay.
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  S6: That grace didn't pay off that day, Experience, but I'm.
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  S6: I'm healing. It's slow, but I am healing slow. But
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  S6: thank you. Yeah, yeah.
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  S2: Get better, young lady.
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  S6: I'm trying.
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  S2: Time. Time is on our side. Yeah, yeah. Time is
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  S2: on our side. When we get past 30.
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  S6: Everything seems a little longer.
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  S2: To just seem a little longer to heal up.
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  S6: It does.
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  S2: It's a boy. I gotta tell you guys.
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  S6: The bummer that way you're only.
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  S2: 30. It's a bummer that way.
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  S5: But he said once you get past 30.
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  S2: I know what he did there. You know what he
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  S2: did there?
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  S6: That one at all?
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  S2: What? You know. You know what Young Thunder did there?
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  S5: What did I do there?
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  S2: He was rubbing a little something in us. There was
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  S2: I a little salt?
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  S6: Salt?
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  S5: I don't think so.
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  S6: Mhm.
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  S2: Yeah. I, I'm absolutely convinced of it.
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  S5: No, I really wasn't.
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  S6: My boot and throw it at you.
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  S2: Oh. To use my dad's only Christian cuss word he
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  S2: really used. Well he used two. Dad. Blame it. Yeah.
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  S2: That's when he. I heard that three times. Come out
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  S2: of his mouth.
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  S5: Yeah.
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  S2: Dad. Blame it and I.
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  S6: Dad!
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  S5: Dad?
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  S6: You okay?
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  S2: And the other one was hogwash.
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  S5: Hogwash.
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  S2: Hogwash.
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  S5: A big one.
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  S2: Oh, hogwash.
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  S5: I'm just trying to. I'm just trying to relate to
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  S5: the experiences. I'm new into these past 30 experiences, but
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  S5: they're real.
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  S2: Oh. They're real. Oh.
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  S6: My. The salt is getting deeper.
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  S5: Oh, this wasn't an injury.
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  S2: What's your malady that you've gone through lately? Thunder. I
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  S2: want to sympathize with you.
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  S5: All right. This wasn't an injury, but last night, uh,
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  S5: my daughter was clamoring for piggyback rides. She calls him
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  S5: daddy rides. Uh, and and so she was like, I
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  S5: want a daddy ride. And I was like, all right.
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  S5: And so she gets onto my back and she just says,
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  S5: run really fast. And so I said, okay. And so
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  S5: I booked it and I'm trying to.
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  S2: Were you in the house or outdoors?
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  S5: I was in the house at this time and I'm
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  S5: trying to get to the end of the night as
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  S5: fast as I can, and we're about a half hour
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  S5: away from that, so I'm sprinting all throughout the house,
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  S5: turning corners. Bop bop bop. Jumping over stuff. She's laughing
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  S5: and having a great time. And I'm winded and I
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  S5: stop and I'm like, okay, daddy's gonna take a break
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  S5: for a second. And I looked at my wife and
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  S5: she said, I'm sorry. It's only been three minutes. And
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  S5: I said, I've got 27 more minutes to go, man.
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  S5: And I was like, this is horrible.
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  S2: And run.
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  S6: That's hilarious.
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  S2: Did you get up again?
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  S5: I did get, I think, did I get up again?
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  S5: I did get up for a little while more, but
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  S5: I'll tell you, nothing was more discouraging after running my
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  S5: heart out as fast as I could and then looking
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  S5: at her winded and she said, it's been three minutes.
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  S5: And I was like.
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  S6: Well, young thunder, you got another one on the way,
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  S6: so you better get up here.
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  S5: I know I'm trying. I gotta get back into shape and, uh,
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  S5: back into, into running mode because I'm gonna have to
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  S5: do a lot more of that coming up soon.
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  S6: Two of them, they're.
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  S5: I know they're going to want to share the rides.
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  S5: I didn't even think about that. Oh, brother.
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  S6: No problem. Glad to help.
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  S2: That's great.
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  S5: Man.
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  S2: I think that's dynamite. I think you guys ought to
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  S2: go for 11 of those.
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  S5: I don't think that we ought to go for 11
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  S5: of them.
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  S2: Hold on. Let's all pray about this. What do you
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  S2: say we get the boom crew praying about God's wisdom
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  S2: on how many how many kids you have?
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  S5: I mean, they can they can go ahead and and
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  S5: say what they think, but I reserve the right to
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  S5: not listen to.
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  S2: Anything you.
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  S6: Like.
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  S2: However, could you imagine God loves you in the boom
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  S2: crew has a wonderful.
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  S5: Plan.
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  S2: For your life and they iterate what you do.
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  S5: Yeah, exactly.
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  S2: Professionally. Oh my goodness. Oh my goodness. By the way guys,
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  S2: this has been a blockbuster morning already. If you are
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  S2: not going to be able to stick around. I had
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  S2: a conversation with Jim Daly and Doctor Ron Sauer that was.
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  S2: I boy, God just led us there and it was powerhouse.
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  S2: So if you can't stick around. It's not too bad.
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  S2: So sad. No. We've got a link for you. How
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  S2: do they do it? Super day.
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  S2: Yeah. Got a full lineup today. Would you believe we
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  S2: found out that we've got the man here, Doctor Crawford Leritz.
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  S2: He's going to be popping in here in a few minutes.
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  S2: We're talking discipleship. It's apprenticeship to Jesus Christ. So as
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  S2: you align your steps today, remember this. The one who
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  S2: saved you is the one who wants to lead you.
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  S1: He was sharing the gospel on the radio and then
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  S1: he got saved. Young thunders in the crew, it's Carl
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  S1: and crew on Moody Radio.
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  S2: It's Carl and crew, and we've got Ali getting little
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  S2: R&R today. So we got Carl, dude, and the woman
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  S2: with the boot on, but she doesn't have the boot
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  S2: on today. That's super di. Oh yes. And it's I'd
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  S2: love to poke fun at you, but you sure are
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  S2: a super trooper. Super di.
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  S6: Oh.
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  S2: Getting in here driving that.
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  S5: Oh, that's a big deal.
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  S2: Walking uphill through a foot of snow to get here
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  S2: both ways.
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  S5: Both ways man.
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  S2: Really good. You know we've been tackling it. Boy, what
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  S2: a morning we've had already here. Uh, we're tackling discipleship
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  S2: and we just cannot ignore the reality that has been
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  S2: neglected by the I'm using air quotes here evangelical world
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  S2: for far too long. And I'm so thrilled to see
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  S2: that there's a resurgence of teaching about the power of
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  S2: the Holy Spirit. Now, when I say those words, a
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  S2: lot of us have different images conjured up in our mind.
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  S2: We can look across the landscape of the Christian world
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  S2: and preaching and teaching late night, midday, you name it,
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  S2: and you can see abuses of the Holy Spirit. And
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  S2: then you go to the Word of God and you realize,
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  S2: hold it a second here. If you take a deep
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  S2: dive in First Corinthians, you go, whoa. The majority of
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  S2: first Corinthians, there's a lot of corrective teaching about the
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  S2: Holy Spirit. But if you dive into the Gospel of John,
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  S2: you go to chapter 14, chapter 16, and those are
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  S2: just bookends for this abiding life in Christ that produces
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  S2: this fruit. But Jesus is teaching is that I'm going
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  S2: to go away, boys, and it's to your advantage. And
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  S2: this has been a thrilling week because we've had a
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  S2: number of guests with us that have talked about the
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  S2: power of the Holy Spirit, but none are going to
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  S2: be like this man. Coming up, Doctor Crawford Leyritz, if
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  S2: apprenticeship in Jesus Christ is about following him, and we
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  S2: neglect the power of the spirit. What do we have? Guys,
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  S2: I'm telling you right now, according to the book of Galatians,
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  S2: I'll tell you what we got. We got bootstrap sanctification.
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  S2: It's our juice, our power, and our power alone. And
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  S2: that is not God's plan. Reclaiming Holy Spirit power for living,
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  S2: Doctor Crawford. It's straight ahead.
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  S1: Tune in whenever you like. Check out the Carl and
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  S1: Crew podcast wherever you like to stream.
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  S2: Have you ever tried to execute anything in your life
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  S2: without having the key component? I don't care what it is.
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  S2: I think we've tried to do that in Christianity. I've
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  S2: discovered and fessed up to the reality that the Holy
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  S2: Spirit was my lost God, not because I wanted that
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  S2: to be the case, but because in this evangelical world,
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  S2: for a lot of different reasons, we've not highlighted the
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  S2: power of the Holy Spirit. And yet Scripture is loaded
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  S2: with this. Crawford is with me right now. Crawford. Why
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  S2: is that so, my friend, I know that's not news
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  S2: to you.
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  S8: Well, because you know, the devil is not sitting back
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  S8: in a neutral position. While we get great clarity about
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  S8: the work, and the ministry of the Holy Spirit is
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  S8: transforming power in our lives, he's going to throw in
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  S8: the monkey wrench of confusion. And just as you said
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  S8: at setting this all up, you know, he's going to
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  S8: get us spending so much time correcting error. And there
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  S8: is there is that is important, don't get me wrong.
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  S8: But so much time correcting and what's wrong with the
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  S8: overemphasis and this kind of thing that it camouflages and
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  S8: covers the beauty and the power of the Spirit of
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  S8: God that produces transformation in our hearts and lives. And so,
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  S8: you know, it's spiritual warfare at its zenith. God wants
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  S8: Christians to settle for process rather than for the person
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  S8: of Jesus and the power of the Spirit of God
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  S8: to move us down the road.
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  S2: Yeah. And what that leads to is what we find
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  S2: Paul saying in Galatia, because his his letter, he says,
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  S2: who has bewitched you that you began in the spirit?
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  S2: Why are you working out in the flesh? And you
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  S2: could almost take that passage and put that over the church.
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  S2: And I'm not bashing the church, but we've we've struggled
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  S2: with this. We've tried to have a behaviouralism Christianity that
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  S2: is void of the power of God. How can we
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  S2: turn this around? And in your study of the power
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  S2: of the spirit, and we're going to point you boom
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  S2: crew to an unbelievable message from Crawford here in just
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  S2: a little bit on this very topic. Give us the
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  S2: high points. What do we need to reclaim here?
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  S8: Crawford leadership is very important. I think the very first
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  S8: thing is those of us who have known Christ for
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  S8: a while and who are committed to discipleship, which is
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  S8: a core of the Great Commission. It's the essence of
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  S8: what God's doing in the world. Then we are the
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  S8: ones that need to be very clear not only about
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  S8: this message, but portraits of the destination at which others
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  S8: need to arrive. In other words, we need to model
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  S8: a healthy, surrendered life to Jesus, and that needs to
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  S8: be the centerpiece of our discipleship. You know, I find
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  S8: that many of us who preach and teach unwittingly, we
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  S8: gravitate toward the how to's, which is important, but we
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  S8: forget that discipleship is not a series of mastering certain
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  S8: spiritual disciplines, but rather, discipleship is a surrendered life. It's
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  S8: all about surrendering to the power of the Spirit of
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  S8: God that's inside of us. That makes clear the Word
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  S8: of Christ and the Word of God and pushes us
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  S8: toward Christ's likeness. And I think the other thing, Carl,
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  S8: is that no one will ever instrumentalize themselves in the
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  S8: A transformation decision precedes development. And so you've got to
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  S8: decide to surrender to the indwelling spirit in order to
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  S8: be controlled by the spirit and realize its importance. And
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  S8: so all these other elements, it's the clarity of teaching.
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  S8: It's the modeling of our leaders, and it's keeping central
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  S8: the essence of what discipleship is all about. And that
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  S8: is Christ likeness. Then guess what? You ain't going to
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  S8: be like Jesus until you're controlled by the Spirit of God.
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  S2: Amen. Doctor Crawford Ritz, our guest right now. And Crawford,
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  S2: as I was looking years ago now at Jesus's teaching
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  S2: and I love John 14, John 16, Romans eight. Those
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  S2: are powerful chapters. You see that Jesus told his disciples,
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  S2: and I love to remind our listeners of this. It's
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  S2: to your advantage that I go away. I got a
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  S2: funny story. I had Ian Thomas way back in the day.
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  S2: He was the founder of Torchbearers School. I had him
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  S2: up in Alaska and he's he was just a funny guy,
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  S2: short guy, really committed to Jesus and committed to the
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  S2: power of the Holy Spirit. And we're sitting there, we're
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  S2: sitting at a sushi joint with about 20 of our
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  S2: staff from our church. And he. This is when the
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  S2: what would Jesus do? Bracelets were popular. He looked at me.
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  S2: He goes, he's a bracelet. And I said, well, what's up, Ian?
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  S2: And he said, we don't have to ask what Jesus
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  S2: would do. Jesus said, it's to your advantage that I go,
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  S2: the Holy Spirit's going to come. The Spirit of God
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  S2: will remind us of this, and he has a voice,
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  S2: and he'll use it. Speak about the voice of the
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  S2: spirit to. As Jesus said, the spirit will remind you
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  S2: of all that I have given you.
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  S8: Well, that's his work. The Spirit of God. His job,
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  S8: so to speak, is to glorify Christ, right? Yes, and
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  S8: to guide us into all truth. And so his job,
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  S8: his job is to guide us and give us clarity,
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  S8: to illuminate the Word of God and make it clear
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  S8: to our hearts and minds to cherish it, but also
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  S8: in the cherishing of the word of the written word.
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  S8: He wants us to be like the word that became flesh. Yeah,
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  S8: that's his job. The job of the Spirit of God is,
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  S8: you know, it's not all these, uh, manifestations in this
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  S8: kind of thing. I'm not saying that he doesn't do that.
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  S8: Understand that the focal point is on Christ likeness. Even
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  S8: even the fruit of the spirit in Galatians five, that
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  S8: it can be argued that that's a biographical profile of
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  S8: the person of Jesus.
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  S2: Yeah.
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  S8: And so he wants us to look like him.
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  S2: Okay. Uh, we touched on this almost, uh, but let's
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  S2: go there. We have championed, and I love them, the
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  S2: spiritual disciplines of service and of giving and of serving and, uh,
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  S2: small group attending and all that, but these spiritual disciplines
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  S2: of silence, introspection. I've been drilling down and praying every
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  S2: morning now for a number of years. Search me, know me,
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  S2: try me. Uh. It's David's prayer at the end of
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  S2: Psalm 139, knowing what he learned. And that is, we
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  S2: don't see ourselves rightly. How has the Spirit of God?
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  S2: How can the Spirit of God meet with us and
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  S2: direct us when we begin to let him cultivate that
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  S2: voice in the inner man?
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  S8: Crawford well, you know, I think the way you phrased
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  S8: the questions and answers, the question itself, when we allow
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  S8: him to cultivate that inner voice. And let's be clear
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  S8: about this, the Word of God, Genesis to revelation, is
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  S8: the voice of God.
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  S2: Yes.
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  S8: And so when we go into silence and solitude, it's
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  S8: not an untethered silence and solitude.
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  S2: Amen.
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  S8: When we go into silence and the solitude, we're telling
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  S8: ourselves to sit down and be quiet so we can
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  S8: hear what God has already been saying, it's not like
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  S8: we're going to silence and solitude, and we expect the
• 17:46
  S8: clouds to give us this mystical word that comes from
• 17:50
  S8: the 67th book of the Bible. And it's and all
• 17:54
  S8: that we quiet our hearts. In fact, Carl, I have
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  S8: discovered the longer I walk with Jesus, the less volume
• 18:02
  S8: God uses to speak to me. Meaning I'm the one
• 18:05
  S8: that has to turn down all the noise in my
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  S8: head in order for me to hear what he's always
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  S8: been saying.
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  S2: How does that work for you, Crawford? Um, how does
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  S2: how does that work?
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  S8: When I get alone with the Lord, I have to
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  S8: declutter my head. So I sit down and, you know,
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  S8: sometimes there's some very practical things. I have my journal
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  S8: and the Bible open before me. And sometimes I take a.
• 18:30
  S8: I literally just dump all the all the thoughts in
• 18:34
  S8: my mind. Just write it all down. You know, that
• 18:36
  S8: that that might be distracting and push it aside and
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  S8: then ask God to speak to me.
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  S2: Amen.
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  S8: And I first go to his word. I don't go
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  S8: to untethered impulses. I go to His word first. And.
• 18:53
  S8: And that word frames my heart and my mind, and
• 18:57
  S8: I just listen. I just listen, and I pour my
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  S8: heart out to God. But then more often than not,
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  S8: you know, things are clear, their thoughts and other things
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  S8: that come to mind. Now, I want to say this
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  S8: to and these thoughts that come to mind, I often
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  S8: will bounce them off of other brothers, uh, in Christ
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  S8: that are close to me in this kind of thing.
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  S8: Just to make sure that I'm hearing directly from the Lord.
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  S8: And it's being, it's being confirmed by, by others. But
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  S8: that's kind of what I, what, what I do. Uh,
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  S8: and sometimes I'll take a day with the Lord. I
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  S8: will leave, I will leave my phone. I go to
• 19:38
  S8: a certain place and I leave my phone in the
• 19:40
  S8: car and I just take my Bible and journal. There's
• 19:45
  S8: just too much access to us, right? Yeah. And, uh,
• 19:48
  S8: and I given my personality, if if first thing in
• 19:52
  S8: the morning, I check my email, text messages or whatever,
• 19:55
  S8: this kind of thing. Katie. Bar the door.
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  S9: Yeah. We're off man.
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  S8: Man.
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  S9: It's like.
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  S2: No, I mean, it's so true. Crawford. And what's interesting,
• 20:04
  S2: what's interesting, my man is, and this is so fascinating
• 20:09
  S2: when I sit alone with the Lord, it it seems
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  S2: like what the Spirit of God reminds me of are
• 20:15
  S2: simple truths like, yeah, listen, love your bride as Christ
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  S2: loves the church and the Spirit of God will be
• 20:23
  S2: as practical with me as. You know what, Carl? You
• 20:26
  S2: flew a little too fast. Buy something your wife was
• 20:28
  S2: sharing with you yesterday.
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  S8: Mhm.
• 20:30
  S2: We got to go back, and you got to live
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  S2: with her in an understanding way because you don't want
• 20:35
  S2: your prayers bouncing off ceilings here, young man. Yeah, it's
• 20:39
  S2: it's that practical, isn't it, Crawford.
• 20:41
  S8: It certainly is. And, you know, the Spirit of God
• 20:44
  S8: not only deals with the what? He deals with the why.
• 20:47
  S8: You know, when you sit down in your quiet about things, uh,
• 20:51
  S8: and you allow the Spirit of God to just do
• 20:54
  S8: his work in your heart and life, it's not only,
• 20:57
  S8: you know. Well, Crawford, you know, you kind of a
• 21:00
  S8: little short with Karen this morning. It also, if you
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  S8: if you listen to the Spirit of God will say
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  S8: to you, you know, now why do you think you
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  S8: did that?
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  S9: Uh.
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  S2: You're right about that, Crawford.
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  S8: Yeah. Why? Why do you think you did that? You know,
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  S8: I know it's popular to say, oh, we don't know
• 21:20
  S8: our motivations and this kind of thing. And, you know,
• 21:23
  S8: nobody knows really why they do it. I don't buy
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  S8: that completely. Uh, yeah. We may not, you know, we
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  S8: may not specifically know, but if we listen to the
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  S8: Spirit of God.
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  S9: He'll tell us.
• 21:35
  S8: He'll point and say, yeah, You know, that was because
• 21:37
  S8: of this selfishness inside of you. Your own sin here. Yeah.
• 21:41
  S8: And you know why you said that in that meeting?
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  S8: You know why.
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  S9: You acted.
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  S8: That.
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  S9: Way. So.
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  S2: Listen, I've been on the fly in the middle of
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  S2: a message. I don't know if this has happened to you.
• 21:53
  S2: And I'm on the fly in the middle of a message,
• 21:55
  S2: and I hear the Spirit of God tell me. You
• 21:58
  S2: tell this like we talked about and don't have a
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  S2: don't go this down this route. That could be self-aggrandizing
• 22:08
  S2: or self loathing. You know what I'm saying, Crawford?
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  S9: Oh, yeah.
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  S8: Painfully. I know what you're saying.
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  S9: That's so.
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  S2: Okay. It is the bottom of the hour. 630 central time.
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  S2: And what that means is it is time for this
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  S2: cool new feature. It's called Make It a Metaphor.
• 23:45
  S1: Finding nuggets of truth in everyday life.
• 23:48
  S10: It's a metaphor.
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  S11: It's just a metaphor, dude. That's a metaphor.
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  S12: It's a metaphor. I know it's a metaphor.
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  S1: It's time for making a metaphor with young thunder.
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  S2: All right, my man, I got a story for you.
• 24:01
  S2: And you've got to turn this little story. And I'm
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  S2: going to use my granddaughter, baby Kate.
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  S5: Okay.
• 24:06
  S6: Yay!
• 24:07
  S2: Yep. Uh, she has learned how to walk.
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  S6: Oh, sweet.
• 24:11
  S2: And and she's boogieing. Man. We were out at a
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  S2: restaurant with, um, our daughter and son in law and
• 24:20
  S2: little baby Kate, and it was so much fun for grandpa.
• 24:24
  S2: I went walking with her outside the restaurant. We went
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  S2: boogie ING for a little bit and boy, she likes
• 24:30
  S2: to go and she likes to climb. And the interesting
• 24:36
  S2: thing about it is she's got a little boo boo
• 24:38
  S2: on her cheek. When she came by her home the
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  S2: other day and we were like, what's going on? Well,
• 24:45
  S2: she's climbing and she fell down and really smacked herself
• 24:50
  S2: pretty good. Didn't stop her. We get we get we
• 24:55
  S2: we get a picture last night and they said she
• 24:59
  S2: climbed it herself. And we're talking vertical kind of rope
• 25:02
  S2: wall up into a big play zone. And I'm like,
• 25:05
  S2: oh my goodness. And I thought, how cool because her
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  S2: mom and dad, you know, you can't prevent every fall.
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  S5: No you.
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  S2: Can't. But you don't want to hold a kid back
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  S2: from discovering stuff.
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  S6: Exactly.
• 25:20
  S2: And they've got a good balance there. They they let
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  S2: her go and then they're there. They're there. But they
• 25:27
  S2: don't want to hold her back, but they just tell her,
• 25:30
  S2: be careful.
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  S9: Mhm.
• 25:32
  S2: And I just love the fact that little baby Kate
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  S2: is living on this world of discovery right now. How
• 25:38
  S2: in the world does that relate spiritually? Young thunder.
• 25:41
  S5: Oh, it's such a it's such a good thing to
• 25:44
  S5: to talk about kids for some of these spiritual metaphors.
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  S5: And you might think that maybe I'm going to talk about,
• 25:49
  S5: you know, making mistakes and that, you know, we cut
• 25:52
  S5: ourselves up with sin sometimes, but there is joy sometimes in,
• 25:57
  S5: in bruises and little cut ups. Uh, baby Kate only
• 26:02
  S5: experienced these cut ups because she was experiencing great joy
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  S5: in exploration. They wouldn't have happened if she was kept
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  S5: inside this little bubble. And I think sometimes our walk
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  S5: of discipleship can be almost the same thing, that we
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  S5: are going to experience some bumps and bruises as we
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  S5: walk around in our freedom in Christ. He's growing us up.
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  S5: We're taking on new experiences. Sometimes we get into ministry
• 26:35
  S5: or we get into volunteering and at church because we're
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  S5: so enthralled in what the Lord has done for us,
• 26:42
  S5: and we experience little bumps and little bruises and little
• 26:47
  S5: moments of hardship and difficulty. And they hurt sometimes. Absolutely
• 26:51
  S5: they do. But you know what? The joy that surrounds
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  S5: them makes them all worth it. And I think that's
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  S5: so important because sometimes for me as a parent, I
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  S5: watch my daughter running around outside. And I remember once
• 27:07
  S5: kind of Carl, like you're talking about, she, she leaned
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  S5: over to to look at some bugs on the ground.
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  S5: And she fell and, and her face hit first and
• 27:15
  S5: she kind of scraped up her nose and it looked scary.
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  S5: And as a parent, I really wanted to stop her
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  S5: and protect her and pull her out of any moment
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  S5: that she could possibly get hurt. But I knew that
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  S5: I had to continue to let her explore and enjoy.
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  S5: And that is what God does for us when we get.
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  S9: Amen.
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  S5: When we get hurt, cut up, scraped up the. The
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  S5: difficulties of life that we encounter in the midst of discipleship.
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  S5: He doesn't just pull us out and put us in
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  S5: a bubble. He says, the freedom that you're experiencing around
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  S5: these moments is so joyful. I'm going to let you
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  S5: continue to explore and maybe find some more of these
• 27:53
  S5: cut up moments, but your joy is going to be
• 27:55
  S5: greater because of it. Don't be afraid of the cut
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  S5: up moments you experience. Keep running around in the freedom
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  S5: you have in Christ and enjoy that more than you
• 28:04
  S5: hurt from the cut ups.
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  S2: Beautiful man. It's called making a metaphor and great work.
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  S2: You know the. That's really cool. And here's the reality.
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  S2: God knows we're going to get bumped and bruised. Yep.
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  S2: But he doesn't want to hold us back. Because the
• 28:17
  S2: only thing worse than getting bumped is bruised, is sitting
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  S2: at home doing nothing.
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  S5: Putting ourselves out of the game.
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  S2: And having perfectly unmarked skin.
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  S5: Amen.
• 28:27
  S2: Nothing could be worse. Oh my goodness. Coming up here.
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  S2: Jim Daly focus on the family guys. We got them
• 28:34
  S2: locked loaded and ready to rumble. Good job young thunder.
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  S1: You're listening to Carl and Crew on Moody Radio.
• 28:41
  S9: So I've had.
• 28:41
  S2: A.
• 28:42
  S9: Theory.
• 28:42
  S2: Just something a little cogitation about what's going on in
• 28:48
  S2: the evangelical Christian landscape of America in the last, maybe
• 28:53
  S2: 6 or 7 decades. And I got the perfect guy
• 28:56
  S2: to talk about this with Jim Daly with me right now.
• 28:59
  S2: He is the president and chief executive officer of focus
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  S2: on the Family Man. You guys are doing a great work.
• 29:05
  S2: Does it do you sometimes have to pinch yourself over
• 29:07
  S2: how God uses you guys over there?
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  S9: Oh, man.
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  S13: No, it's more like, Lord, just keep us in the lane,
• 29:13
  S13: you know? Help us, Lord, to do the right thing today.
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  S13: That's always my thing. It's the Lord does use focus
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  S13: on the family and it's an awesome, awesome experience.
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  S2: It's beautiful. And I'm convinced this is one of my
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  S2: big convictions. Humility gets so undersold, Andrew Murray said. It's
• 29:30
  S2: the one virtue that gives birth to every other virtue.
• 29:32
  S2: But if we can just stay postured humbly before God,
• 29:35
  S2: it's no telling what God might do with us as messengers. Right, Jim?
• 29:39
  S13: Man. In today's Christian leadership, we so need that humility,
• 29:42
  S13: because you're right. I mean, it is the ingredient when
• 29:45
  S13: the Lord says, in essence, you know, take on my character.
• 29:49
  S13: And at the core, God's character is humility. Number one,
• 29:52
  S13: you can meditate on that for days, weeks, years. Right?
• 29:57
  S9: You can. Yeah.
• 29:58
  S13: So and it's also elusive though, Carl. I mean, that's
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  S13: one of the difficulties with humility. It works. Our flesh
• 30:04
  S13: works against humility. Our Western culture works against humility because
• 30:08
  S13: we're winners and we talk about it. How good I
• 30:11
  S13: did at the golf game the other day. But humility, man,
• 30:14
  S13: we just got to seek a way to, to express
• 30:16
  S13: that and work that humility muscle so more of God's
• 30:20
  S13: character comes through us.
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  S9: Yeah.
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  S2: All right. Spur of the moment. I'm gonna tell you
• 30:24
  S2: right now, Jim didn't write it. I didn't write it, it,
• 30:26
  S2: but Andrew Murray did. It's a book called humility, and
• 30:28
  S2: it's probably my top in my top five books. Ever read?
• 30:31
  S2: It's that powerful. So go get it. Find it. You
• 30:33
  S2: can get it on Amazon for like seven bucks. Talk
• 30:36
  S2: about a resource. Okay, Jim, I want to wrestle with
• 30:39
  S2: something with you. And here's, here's what's crazy. Some context.
• 30:42
  S2: We have my, my bride has a list of 43
• 30:46
  S2: adult kids that were raised in imperfect but really good homes. Imperfect,
• 30:51
  S2: but I mean great moms and dads who love God.
• 30:54
  S2: They have wept tears. They have done what they can.
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  S2: Almost all of them that I know of, I think
• 31:00
  S2: all of them have gone back to anything that could
• 31:03
  S2: have been an impediment to those kids hanging with church
• 31:06
  S2: and walking with Jesus. Anything that they needed to own,
• 31:09
  S2: that they screwed up. They've gone back and said, would
• 31:12
  S2: you please forgive me? It's a huge number. And now
• 31:18
  S2: I go and we know some of that was Covid
• 31:20
  S2: gave a lot of people permission to walk away from
• 31:22
  S2: the church. But we also know this polarization politically has
• 31:27
  S2: given people real authorization to kind of be who you are.
• 31:31
  S2: So there's no veneer. All that, all that 60s 70s
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  S2: 80s kind of churchianity that's out the window. So here's
• 31:39
  S2: what I'm wondering in practical terms was what's going on
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  S2: back in the more of a cultural vibe day where
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  S2: there are a lot of people knowing that many will
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  S2: say on that day, Lord, Lord, I'm just wondering, were
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  S2: there a lot of people that were into the Christian
• 31:55
  S2: culture but were never in Christ to begin with? And
• 31:58
  S2: now we're just seeing more of an accurate rendering of
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  S2: what's going on. That could be the thing, and that
• 32:04
  S2: could be our hope. Right, Jim?
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  S13: I think so. I mean, I've got two boys, 25
• 32:09
  S13: and 23, so they're right in it and I'm experiencing
• 32:12
  S13: it every day with them. And they're no different than,
• 32:15
  S13: you know, other young men in the culture today. The
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  S13: good news is there has been a significant uptick, particularly
• 32:22
  S13: for young men. The 20 something males that more of
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  S13: them are going to church now. More of them are
• 32:27
  S13: reading the word, etc. I think one of the things
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  S13: that is grabbing them, and I'm seeing this in my
• 32:32
  S13: youngest son, he wants more liturgy. He wants more seriousness
• 32:36
  S13: when it comes to faith, which is interesting to me. And,
• 32:39
  S13: you know, so that's part of that appetite. If we're
• 32:41
  S13: going to be this, let's be this all in. And
• 32:44
  S13: that's great. And it does kind of come back to,
• 32:47
  S13: and I think the Christian home situation, what is our
• 32:50
  S13: goal to prepare a heart or to get behavioral things right?
• 32:55
  S13: And I think the church and frankly, I think, focus
• 32:57
  S13: on the family to a degree over the years, um,
• 33:00
  S13: has missed that mark a little bit. We love good behavior,
• 33:03
  S13: but it doesn't start with good behavior. It starts with a,
• 33:06
  S13: a good God centered heart and behavior flows from that.
• 33:10
  S13: So the more a parent can give that responsibility to
• 33:12
  S13: a young child. Ten 1112 let's start seeing if they
• 33:16
  S13: can demonstrate that good behavior, telling the truth, having good friends,
• 33:21
  S13: being a good friend, all those kinds of things. I
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  S13: think those outcomes then are there. You know, it's interesting
• 33:26
  S13: in the scripture where it says, you know, train up
• 33:28
  S13: a child in the way he should go. And when
• 33:30
  S13: he is old, he will not depart from it. That
• 33:33
  S13: that kind of puts the parents on the hook to like, Lord,
• 33:36
  S13: really they got to be old before they come back
• 33:38
  S13: to the faith. But Doctor Schwab at, um, Fuller Theological
• 33:43
  S13: School out there in California, she's been tracking those 40,
• 33:46
  S13: 50 somethings that have walked away from the faith. About 50%
• 33:51
  S13: of what were those walk away 20 somethings are now
• 33:54
  S13: back in church.
• 33:55
  S2: Interesting. Boy that's hopeful. You just blew a lot of
• 33:58
  S2: hope in some parents sales right now. Uh, Jim, so
• 34:02
  S2: here's the question. What can a parent do? I know
• 34:07
  S2: you focus a lot on children and teens and all that,
• 34:11
  S2: but we're we're never done being parents. How do parents,
• 34:15
  S2: what is the latitude freedom that they have? Because here's
• 34:18
  S2: my concern. If you get focused on kids that have
• 34:21
  S2: walked away from church and God. And I tell people
• 34:24
  S2: all the time, don't, don't pray God, get him back
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  S2: in church. Pray first and foremost, God, get him in
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  S2: Christ Jesus our Lord. Then they'll find the church. But
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  S2: what can we do? What have you learned?
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  S13: I think the key that I'm seeing is for parents
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  S13: to live their faith authentically, so their children can be
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  S13: drawn toward it. I think it's like magnets. You know,
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  S13: what repulses a child, in my opinion, is a parent
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  S13: that doesn't live it well, not perfectly. And when you
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  S13: make that mistake, do the apologies, do the we're not perfect.
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  S13: We're imperfect people. We live in a world full of sin,
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  S13: and I'm a sinner. And guess what? You're a sinner too.
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  S13: And what God is drawing us toward is a deeper relationship.
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  S13: So he can replace that sinful nature with a godly nature.
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  S13: And then we got to live it. My oldest son, Trent,
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  S13: said this not long ago. We were talking about, he says, dad,
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  S13: with Reddit and social media, we live in a cesspool
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  S13: of lies and we're looking for boys of truth. If
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  S13: the church can step up and be authentic and be
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  S13: that boy, we will gravitate toward it as Gen Zers.
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  S13: But if it's not authentic, if it's not living the truth,
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  S13: we're not going to hang on to that boy.
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  S2: Bang, I don't. That is huge. What your boy said.
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  S2: That's powerful. You know, I don't talk about this very
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  S2: often here, but I'm going to go here. I'm I'm
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  S2: a culture watcher, I watch politics, I see what's going
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  S2: on in our world today. I get it, I'm not ignorant.
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  S2: But when our kids begin to I don't care what
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  S2: side of the aisle or what your issue is, it
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  S2: seems to me when they feel like what drives us,
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  S2: what gets our affection and attention, is which way political
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  S2: or financial kind of winds are blowing? I'm. I don't
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  S2: know that that's real compelling, Jim.
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  S13: You know, I have tried to work at that. The
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  S13: the whole, you know, 21 years I've been at the
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  S13: helm at focus And the difficulty is our flesh and
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  S13: our sinful nature is drawn into that environment. We think
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  S13: we can get results there that the Lord can't provide.
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  S13: I know it sounds absurd to even say it, but
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  S13: it's true. We are energized by that environment. Whereas going
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  S13: to your neighbor and inviting your neighbor over for dinner,
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  S13: I don't really know them. That's uncomfortable, but that's how
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  S13: the Lord would want us to begin to disciple somebody
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  S13: is to become a friend of that person. And that's
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  S13: that's a harder job in a culture that really likes individuality.
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  S13: You know, we like garage door openers. We don't have
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  S13: to get out of the car in the driveway and
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  S13: say hi to the neighbor. Now we just go right
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  S13: into the garage. And to your point, um, you know,
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  S13: there is an importance to be engaged because we have influence. Yes.
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  S13: Both as a, as a Christian community, millions of people,
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  S13: and then as an individual to vote in our state, etc.. But,
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  S13: but it's not the salvation. I think it was Chuck
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  S13: Colson who said, you know, salvation is not going to
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  S13: come in Air Force One. And we've got to remember
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  S13: that as a Christian, because our kids are watching that
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  S13: and they're thinking, wow, we're putting a lot of chips
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  S13: in that arena and it won't always deliver. And then
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  S13: what do we do with that disappointment? Did God not
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  S13: show up? Does God not care about babies Preborn babies?
• 37:37
  S13: What's happening there? And you know, that's not a healthy
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  S13: place to go. The healthier place is, okay, God, we're
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  S13: in this circumstance. We're in the wilderness. What do we
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  S13: need to do? And it consistently comes back to live
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  S13: your life in a way that people see me in you. Yeah.
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  S13: And that's our attitude toward people that disagree with us.
• 37:55
  S13: It's a whole host of things of benevolence. You know,
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  S13: I love in second Timothy 226, right in that area,
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  S13: it says to endure evil patiently. I'm horrible at that, Carl.
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  S13: I'm I don't do that. Well, but the Lord. Yeah,
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  S13: the Lord's telling us right there to endure evil patiently.
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  S13: Are we supposed to, you know, rest in the idea
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  S13: that God's in control. Sometimes we don't act like it. Yeah.
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  S2: Yeah. I think, Jim, this is way bigger than we
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  S2: imagined it to be. And I think our I think
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  S2: our kids, even not, not middle school, they're still working
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  S2: through their stuff, but I think high school and beyond,
• 38:34
  S2: I think they can sniff this out. They can tell
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  S2: if we're saying Jesus is my Lord, but boy, I
• 38:42
  S2: sure hope the economy doesn't go south. They can sniff
• 38:46
  S2: what's really driving us, you know what I'm saying?
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  S13: It's so true. And the conversations that we need to
• 38:51
  S13: have at that age, I mean, the other night I'm
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  S13: talking to my boys, they were over for dinner and
• 38:56
  S13: we're talking about socialism and the appeal of it. And
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  S13: I was trying to convey that when you look at
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  S13: systems of government, what delivers the greatest good and does
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  S13: the least amount of harm? I mean, those are the things.
• 39:09
  S13: There's no system that's perfect. So let's think through what
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  S13: that looks like. You know, I was in the Soviet Union.
• 39:15
  S13: I was in Moscow when Gorbachev was in power, I
• 39:18
  S13: went to the stores that had nothing. I went to
• 39:20
  S13: the restaurants that had one item on the menu. Um,
• 39:24
  S13: it it doesn't work well for the people at large,
• 39:27
  S13: but to plant seeds and ask questions, ask questions of them.
• 39:32
  S13: What kind of government do you think would deliver the
• 39:35
  S13: greatest shalom, God's peace to more and more people? What
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  S13: would that look like to you? And let them describe it.
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  S13: Don't interrupt them.
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  S2: Yeah, I love it. All right, Jim, final question for you.
• 39:45
  S2: Jesus says, I think it's Matthew 516. Let your let
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  S2: your light. Uh, my dad used to just delight in
• 39:52
  S2: that one. He says, it's not make your light. It's
• 39:55
  S2: let your light so shine before men that they will
• 39:57
  S2: see your good deeds and glorify your father who is
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  S2: in heaven. Our adult kids, our kids of any age
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  S2: and stage of life. They gotta see that in us.
• 40:05
  S2: What's the main ingredient to make that happen?
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  S13: I think living and exposing and showing that light as
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  S13: the fruit of the spirit love, joy, hope, you know, goodness,
• 40:15
  S13: long suffering. Those self-control are attributes of Christ, right? He
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  S13: he gave it to us. He listed it for us.
• 40:23
  S13: So if we're not seeing that fruit in our own lives,
• 40:26
  S13: we need to begin to get into the word and read.
• 40:29
  S13: How do we get there? And keep your own flesh
• 40:32
  S13: in check? And I'm telling you, that's a war for
• 40:34
  S13: me every, every day. How do I how do I
• 40:38
  S13: begin to identify what is coming from me or the
• 40:40
  S13: enemy working in me or through me? And then God,
• 40:44
  S13: what do I need to do to express your light
• 40:47
  S13: in this world and every day? That should be a
• 40:50
  S13: battle for us in this life. And if it's not
• 40:52
  S13: a battle, you're probably tipping into the flesh or into
• 40:55
  S13: the enemy's camp a little too much.
• 40:56
  S2: Oh, brother, you were right about that one. If Satan
• 40:59
  S2: isn't bothering you, you probably aren't bothering Satan. Jim. Daly. Everybody.
• 41:05
  S2: My my my big sis, five years older than me,
• 41:07
  S2: had that on her banner on her bedroom wall. That
• 41:10
  S2: little statement. And I was far from God and wouldn't
• 41:13
  S2: follow Jesus for another eight years, but I remember thinking,
• 41:17
  S2: that's a pretty good statement. And it really is.
• 41:21
  S13: That's evidence of what to do right there. Something subtle.
• 41:23
  S13: Something simple. Yeah. And then years later, you clung to that.
• 41:27
  S13: You remembered it. Wow. That's. That's the answer.
• 41:30
  S2: Pretty cool. Jim. Daly. Everybody. Hey, listen, guys, I want
• 41:33
  S2: you to know something. They have got focus on the
• 41:36
  S2: family is not just a radio show or podcast. This
• 41:39
  S2: thing has got so much more. I want you, boom
• 41:43
  S2: crew to make focus on the family. And I'm going
• 41:46
  S2: to give you a link here. A steady diet for
• 41:48
  S2: parenting lordship answering tough questions, staying out of the political
• 41:54
  S2: soup and in the spiritual life. Just text focus right now.
• 41:58
  S2: Focus to 805 5578, 98, focus to 800 555, 78, 98.
• 42:08
  S1: Romans eight brought her to Jesus while broadcasting traffic overnight.
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  S1: Super D is in the crew. It's curl and crew
• 42:16
  S1: on Moody Radio.
• 42:18
  S2: I'm hitting one of our favorites around here cold right now.
• 42:22
  S2: I want you to expand on that. Love of Christ
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  S2: could not be taken from us. Why was that so
• 42:29
  S2: important to you?
• 42:30
  S6: Super D because it was taken from me my whole life.
• 42:33
  S6: I grew up with love being very conditional. It could
• 42:36
  S6: be taken. It depended on your acts. It just depended
• 42:39
  S6: on what the other person felt like. And so, um,
• 42:42
  S6: to have love be unconditional, no matter who I was,
• 42:45
  S6: and especially as a sinner, as a broken person, I
• 42:50
  S6: was still valued and I was still loved. That really
• 42:53
  S6: caused my brain when I go poof. I mean, it,
• 42:56
  S6: it really jarred my brain and jarred my heart, my soul,
• 43:00
  S6: everything about me that is so unconditional with with Christ
• 43:05
  S6: and that he would go to the cross even knowing
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  S6: who I was with my back to him. It blew
• 43:10
  S6: my mind.
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  S2: And so it must be a common battle, for it
• 43:14
  S2: is for everyone. You know, a lot of us do
• 43:18
  S2: have kind of a cowering when we miss the mark.
• 43:21
  S2: That's the term for sin. Just missing the mark. But
• 43:25
  S2: it it it must be a battle. I mean, my
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  S2: bride and I talk about this all the time. We are.
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  S2: Not measured on our behavior. And when we put it
• 43:39
  S2: in our own hands, to perform rightly so that we
• 43:42
  S2: don't disappoint God, we miss the beauty of the grace
• 43:46
  S2: of God that gives us the fuel to live in
• 43:49
  S2: his power. And you must still get blown away by
• 43:53
  S2: boy God, you don't reject me when I blow it.
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  S6: Oh, every day, every day. And I don't want to
• 43:59
  S6: lose that every day. And if I do, I want
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  S6: the Holy Spirit to absolutely smack me in the head
• 44:03
  S6: with a two by four, because I don't want to
• 44:06
  S6: lose that blessing of and that powerful notion of who
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  S6: I am in Christ, because man is not your source
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  S6: of identity. It is God. And that was a big
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  S6: thing for me to, to learn and to accept as well.
• 44:21
  S2: And we have to keep relearning that.
• 44:23
  S6: It's that, like your wife always says, the wallpapering of
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  S6: your mind, of what you were told, what you thought
• 44:29
  S6: you were, but who you truly are.
• 44:32
  S10: Yeah.
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  S6: So different.
• 44:33
  S2: And what's crazy is we wake up in the morning
• 44:36
  S2: and it's like, we got to get the wallpaper out again.
• 44:39
  S5: Oh, absolutely.
• 44:39
  S6: Absolutely.
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  S2: It never it never stops, does it?
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  S6: No. And if it starts to peel, glue it back
• 44:44
  S6: up there, get some spiritual glue and smack it back
• 44:46
  S6: up on that wall. Keep it going.
• 44:48
  S5: I have a question for you. So, you know, earlier
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  S5: this week we talked about who's discipling you. You know,
• 44:55
  S5: because every person, believer or not, is being discipled. Uh,
• 45:00
  S5: by growing up, seeing that love was conditional towards you.
• 45:05
  S5: That must have discipled you a little bit into thinking
• 45:09
  S5: that the way you showed love to other people could
• 45:12
  S5: also be conditional. Uh, what was that like? And then
• 45:15
  S5: and then when God showed you his love and what
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  S5: true love really is, how did that change you?
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  S6: Oh, it's very emotional. Okay. Um, it's also very sad to,
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  S6: to say because like you said, you asked me what
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  S6: was my idea of love to other people and, and,
• 45:33
  S6: and that behavior, it was bad. I really people were.
• 45:38
  S2: You mimicked what you got in some.
• 45:40
  S6: Ways. Absolutely. And and that was my character and a
• 45:44
  S6: little bit of who I was. I'm not saying I
• 45:46
  S6: didn't have friends and things of that nature, but. Right.
• 45:48
  S6: How I loved and did I want to love. No.
• 45:50
  S6: And so how I treated people that really reflected what
• 45:54
  S6: was given to me. So I, yeah, I dished it
• 45:56
  S6: right back out, that sort of scenario. So to turn
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  S6: it all the way around and now I, that is
• 46:03
  S6: my biggest, my biggest, I want people to know they're loved.
• 46:07
  S6: I want them to know how loved they are, how
• 46:12
  S6: important they are. I mean, yes, the Holy Spirit will
• 46:16
  S6: always convict, always convict. When there is a problem within
• 46:18
  S6: our spirit, the Holy Spirit will convict. But I'm telling
• 46:21
  S6: you is Satan will shame you. The Holy Spirit convicts
• 46:24
  S6: us of our problems that we need to deal with
• 46:26
  S6: before God. But Satan wants to tell you that you
• 46:29
  S6: are the problem and you're not. You are not the problem. Yeah,
• 46:33
  S6: you got problems you got to take to God, but
• 46:35
  S6: you are not the problem. You are loved. You are loved.
• 46:39
  S2: That's a good word.
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  S5: Amen.
• 46:42
  S2: Some of you need to read more paper your mind today. Yeah.
• 46:45
  S2: Do we have that blog handy?
• 46:48
  S6: I'll help you.
• 46:50
  S2: Do we have that blog handy?
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  S5: Which one?
• 46:52
  S2: Uh. Your identity. Truth.
• 46:54
  S5: Yeah.
• 46:54
  S2: Truth. Yeah. Truth. Truth, truth. Some of you need to
• 46:56
  S2: read your paper, your mind right now. So text the
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  S2: word truth to us right now. Truth 805 557898. Who
• 47:06
  S2: are you in Christ? It matters. Some of you are
• 47:09
  S2: getting beat up and super dives, right? You got to
• 47:13
  S2: delineate between conviction and condemnation. Conviction. Good. But you go
• 47:18
  S2: to God. Go. All right, I blew it here. I'm
• 47:21
  S2: agreeing with you. Good. Now he washes you clean in
• 47:25
  S2: that moment. Clean slate. Condemnation says you're a loser. You
• 47:29
  S2: didn't just get a loss yesterday. You're a loser. And
• 47:33
  S2: that is absolute heresy. So some of you need to
• 47:37
  S2: re wallpaper your mind right now. What you believe about
• 47:41
  S2: yourself today will be lived out in your life by
• 47:46
  S2: high noon.
• 47:46
  S5: By the way, believing the lie that you're a loser
• 47:50
  S5: from Satan, that just keeps us in the problems that
• 47:53
  S5: that God wants to pull us out of. When we
• 47:55
  S5: accept conviction from him and gain his help, we can
• 47:59
  S5: see freedom. But if we just stay in shame, we're
• 48:01
  S5: going to keep doing everything we've been doing.
• 48:03
  S6: Yeah, there's so much.
• 48:05
  S2: There's so much more, man.
• 48:06
  S6: So much more. There's so much freedom in that. And
• 48:08
  S6: to be able to have a heart that just breaks
• 48:11
  S6: down and can give love to others, and you want
• 48:16
  S6: that love of God to just spill over. So freeing.
• 48:22
  S6: It is so freeing.
• 48:23
  S2: But if you're stuck with the bad wallpaper on your brain,
• 48:26
  S2: you can't even then give others what you.
• 48:29
  S6: Don't.
• 48:29
  S2: Have to give because you don't possess it. Yeah. Text
• 48:33
  S2: truth to 805 five, five, 78, 98. Get it? Read it,
• 48:39
  S2: do a 21 day. I think I put in there
• 48:41
  S2: a 21 day little experiment morning and evening for 21 days.
• 48:45
  S2: Watch what God does. Text truth to 805 557898.
• 48:51
  S1: Tune in whenever you like. Check out the Carl and
• 48:53
  S1: Crew podcast wherever you like to stream.
• 48:57
  S2: When you're talking discipleship, it would be spiritual malpractice to
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  S2: not bring in this man. Doctor Ron Sauer is with
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  S2: me right now. Retired professor of Bible and Greek from
• 49:09
  S2: Moody Bible Institute. Still investing in the lives of men
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  S2: and women, he and his bride have a legacy that
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  S2: is long of lives that have been impacted. And he's
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  S2: with me right now. Ron, good to have you with
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  S2: us this morning.
• 49:21
  S14: Thank you. Paul, it's good to be with you.
• 49:23
  S2: I want to begin with, um, the power of the spirit.
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  S2: I confessed in a writing here that I did a
• 49:30
  S2: few years ago that the Holy Spirit was my lost
• 49:32
  S2: God for a season. I was raised my history is,
• 49:36
  S2: you know, Multnomah Bible College, Denver Seminary, um, good Bible preaching.
• 49:42
  S2: And we talked a lot about the Holy Spirit. I
• 49:45
  S2: wrote doctrinal positions on the role of the Holy Spirit.
• 49:51
  S2: And yet it wasn't until I stumbled across a sweet
• 49:54
  S2: little passage in the Gospel of John where Jesus told
• 49:57
  S2: his disciples, it's to your advantage that I go because
• 50:02
  S2: the Holy Spirit will come. And I went on an
• 50:04
  S2: exploration tour of, well, what's this advantage in. AM I
• 50:08
  S2: living it? And I soon found out I. I was
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  S2: not listening to the voice of the spirit who wants
• 50:17
  S2: to practically and in a very real way, guide us
• 50:20
  S2: into all truth. Ron, have you always understood the power
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  S2: of the Holy Spirit from the day you were born again,
• 50:26
  S2: or has this been a growth curve for you as well?
• 50:29
  S14: It's been the latter. Okay. In fact, after I graduated
• 50:32
  S14: from Dallas Seminary, I realized I knew very little practically
• 50:36
  S14: about the Holy Spirit. I knew about him intellectually. I
• 50:39
  S14: took a whole semester course on pneumatology the study of
• 50:41
  S14: the Holy Spirit. So I graduated. The first thing I
• 50:44
  S14: did was study the book of Galatians, because it has
• 50:46
  S14: quite a bit to say about the Holy Spirit, and
• 50:49
  S14: that was wonderful. It really helped me catch up practically
• 50:54
  S14: in my knowledge and experience of the Holy Spirit.
• 50:57
  S2: Yeah. And I think a lot of people get freaked
• 50:59
  S2: out and there's been pendulum moves, and we talk about
• 51:02
  S2: it a lot around here. They see abuses of the
• 51:04
  S2: Holy Spirit, and then sometimes we can pendulum away from that.
• 51:07
  S2: And pretty quick, we've thrown out the proverbial baby with
• 51:11
  S2: the bathwater. And in this case, the Holy Spirit gets neglected.
• 51:13
  S2: And he is here right now. Okay, I want to
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  S2: get to one particular thing we find in John 14
• 51:20
  S2: and John 16 and even Romans eight that he is
• 51:23
  S2: a comforter. Um, he's a friend. He's he convicts regarding sin, righteousness,
• 51:30
  S2: and judgment. But Jesus also says that the Holy Spirit
• 51:33
  S2: will bring to your remembrance all that I have spoken.
• 51:36
  S2: And he's going to guide you in truth. And it
• 51:39
  S2: wasn't until about I'm almost embarrassed to say this. It
• 51:42
  S2: wasn't until about probably eight years ago, really, when it
• 51:46
  S2: began to dawn on me these things that I've called
• 51:49
  S2: kind of promptings or nudges were the Holy Spirit reminding
• 51:55
  S2: me of truth, how to love my wife and how
• 51:58
  S2: to speak to my radio team, and so on and
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  S2: so forth. That's not crazy, is it, Ron?
• 52:02
  S14: No it's not. Jesus meant exactly what he said. He
• 52:06
  S14: taught the disciples. He left and went back to heaven.
• 52:08
  S14: They were, in a sense, left without Jesus, but he
• 52:12
  S14: sent the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit would periodically,
• 52:15
  S14: when necessary, remind the disciples of the very truths that
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  S14: Jesus taught.
• 52:20
  S2: How do we know we're hearing the Spirit's voice and
• 52:23
  S2: not our own?
• 52:25
  S14: I think the conviction that the Holy Spirit gives us.
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  S14: And besides, we are on our own in the sense
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  S14: that we can't remember everything that the Bible says. And
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  S14: from time to time, the Holy Spirit will bring those
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  S14: verses to our memory so that we can hold fast
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  S14: to them. The Holy Spirit gives us a conviction that
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  S14: this is from him, not, not from us.
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  S2: You know, I've gotten to a point that I know
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  S2: this could sound a little bit bizarre, but I got
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  S2: a hunch you're with me on this one. I've. I've
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  S2: had the Holy Spirit prompt me in the middle of
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  S2: a message. Ron. Not once, many times or on radio.
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  S2: I'll be prompted. Always anchored in truth, the truth of
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  S2: God's Word, not some new wacky revelation, but I mean
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  S2: anchored in truth. Oh, let's not go there. I've heard
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  S2: while I've been teaching, I have heard these words from.
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  S2: I believe them to be God. Don't tell this story
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  S2: in a way that's self-aggrandizing. Be careful here. I believe
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  S2: that God is that intimate with us. What say you,
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  S2: Ron Sauer?
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  S14: Yes, yes. Well, one Sunday morning I was walking to
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  S14: the pulpit to deliver the message that I had given.
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  S14: And before I got to the pulpit, it was like
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  S14: the Holy Spirit said to me, forget that sermon. Here's
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  S14: the one I want you to preach. And on the
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  S14: spur of the moment, that's exactly what I did. It
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  S14: was it was more appropriate. Listen, I have a good
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  S14: friend in North Carolina. He was not a Christian. And
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  S14: his wife said, today I'm leaving you. And he's very
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  S14: upset about it. He was a bread truck driver, so
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  S14: he got into his truck. He was going to work.
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  S14: He was very angry. And he said to himself, I
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  S14: don't blame my wife for leaving me. But if anybody
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  S14: looks to me today with a frown on his face,
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  S14: I'm going to hit him in the face as hard
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  S14: as I can. He was a mean man and he
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  S14: was driving his truck. The Holy Spirit brought to his
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  S14: memory a verse that he had memorized as a kid
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  S14: in Sunday School. That verse convicted him. He pulled his
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  S14: bread truck over to the side, went to the back,
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  S14: knelt and repented of his sin, and asked Christ to
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  S14: come into his life. Wow. He became an incredible Christian.
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  S14: And where did that come from? Well, it began with
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  S14: Sunday school is a is a boy 12 years old?
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  S14: The Lord planted a seed in his heart. Decades later,
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  S14: that seed came to fruition. The Holy Spirit reminded him
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  S14: of it, convicting him of his sin. He was born again.
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  S2: Man. Doctor Ron Sauer, my guest right now. Ron, why?
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  S2: Why did we fall into this malaise in in great
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  S2: Bible preaching scholarly institutions. How did we get into this,
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  S2: where we ignored the power of the Holy Spirit as
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  S2: described and prescribed by Jesus himself?
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  S14: You know, I think one reason and I can't remember
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  S14: the British scholar, very fine British scholar who calls the
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  S14: Holy Spirit the shiye SHY the Shai sovereign. What a
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  S14: wonderful expression. And that is, I think it's John 14
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  S14: where Jesus said, me, the Holy Spirit will glorify the Greek.
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  S14: Me is emphatic. In other words, the Holy Spirit is
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  S14: not here to glorify himself, but to glorify Christ. And so,
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  S14: you know, in Christianity, and rightly so, our focus is
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  S14: on our Savior Jesus Christ. And that's okay with the
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  S14: Holy Spirit because he's sent to glorify Christ. And I
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  S14: think that sometimes that may contribute to our forgetting about
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  S14: the Holy Spirit. But think about Galatians 516. Walk by
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  S14: the spirit and you will not fulfill the lust of
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  S14: the flesh.
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  S2: That's a promise.
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  S14: Either we live our life by that standard or ever.
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  S14: How we're living the Christian life is inaccurate.
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  S2: Yeah. And then you've got to conclude wrong to walk
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  S2: by the spirit. And by the way, he goes on
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  S2: to say, if you live in the spirit, keep in
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  S2: step with the spirit. It implies that the Spirit of
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  S2: God is living and active, moving, wielding the word. And
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  S2: by the way, comforting, encouraging, convicting, correcting, guiding. Oh my goodness.
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  S2: We need to be more attentive to. I think we
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  S2: live very. Who. We live very horizontally on a knowledge basis.
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  S2: And the sensitivity to the spirit. I know for some
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  S2: it could sound mystical. I think it's solidly biblical. We
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  S2: need to keep our sails high so that the Spirit
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  S2: of God can direct our life according to the word.
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  S2: Final thought on that one, Ron.
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  S14: Yes, you're right, the Holy Spirit has a multifaceted ministry.
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  S14: And so this morning when I got up, just in
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  S14: my own prayer time, I just said, Lord, Holy Spirit,
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  S14: Jesus said, you're with me, I believe that. Now I
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  S14: need you today, and you are here to cultivate in
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  S14: me your wonderful graces and virtues, the character and the
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  S14: conduct of Jesus you want to bring about and deepen
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  S14: and mature in me the fruit of the spirit, love, joy, peace, patience.
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  S14: Oh Lord, I want that today. I'm going to make
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  S14: a commitment to you for just 24 hours. I will
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  S14: be submissive to you. I will lean on you, and
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  S14: I will depend on you to empower me to live
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  S14: today the way God wants me to. And I'm anticipating
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  S14: seeing the effects of your presence in my life. You know,
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  S14: when I got married, my wife moved in with me,
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  S14: started living with me. Her presence made huge differences in
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  S14: my life, mostly for good. Now she's only a human being.
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  S14: But what about when the divine Spirit moves in with
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  S14: me and he's a permanent guest in my life? There's
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  S14: bound to be differences all for the better. And so
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  S14: faith expects faith and anticipates that.
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  S2: Yeah. You know, Ron, that means we can't leave the
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  S2: Holy Spirit locked up in a bedroom down the hall spiritually,
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  S2: to use your metaphor.
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  S14: You're right about that. Yeah, man.
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  S2: Okay, I gotta do this. We've covered some ground today.
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  S2: Really quick question here. There's a lot of parents right now.
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  S2: We live in this wild new age where kids that
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  S2: were raised in church by imperfect but really good moms
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  S2: and dads who cry a lot of tears and have
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  S2: even gone to their kids and say, forgive me for
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  S2: being wrong here. And in iterating what that is, there's
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  S2: a cry of the soul. It's like, God, what do
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  S2: we do? What do you say to the parent with
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  S2: regard to their own discipleship? What do they need to
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  S2: be alert to and active in so that they can
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  S2: still radiate brightly for their children, that they love, that
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  S2: they could be a part of their story that brings
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  S2: them to Jesus.
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  S14: I want to point those people to Romans 1513. What
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  S14: a verse. Now may the God of hope fill you
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  S14: with all joy and peace as you trust him, so
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  S14: you will overflow in hope by the power of the
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  S14: Holy Spirit.
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  S15: There we go again.
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  S14: So the Lord, the Holy Spirit, wants to give us
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  S14: three wonderful blessings, joy, peace, and hope and keep praying
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  S14: for our rebellious child. Listen, we have a wonderful son,
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  S14: Geoffrey today. He is 44 years old and we raised
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  S14: him correctly. And he calls himself a former prodigal. We
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  S14: kept praying for him and he was, according to him,
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  S14: he found Christ in the back of a police car. Wow.
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  S14: They arrested him. They were taking him to jail. And
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  S14: that's where he found Christ. And today he's walking with
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  S14: the Lord. He's hungry and passionate for the word, and
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  S14: he's serving the Lord.
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  S2: You know, as a dad, there must have been some
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  S2: tears shed over when he was out there sowing some wild,
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  S2: crazy oats.
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  S14: Many, many.
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  S2: Did you ever get to the point where you wondered what.
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  S2: What's it going to take?
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  S14: Oh, yeah.
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  S2: Yeah, yeah. It's beautiful Ron. And yet God can do it.
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  S2: So hold on to that hope. Ron Sauer, everybody. And
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  S2: by the way, I want to point you to some
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  S2: resources that Ron has. Just text the word quiet, one
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  S2: word quiet to 805 five, five, 78, 98. One word
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  S2: quiet to 805 five, five, 78, 98. He's the host
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  S2: of a podcast called Quiet Time, and there's a lot
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  S2: of other resources there. Check it out. Text quiet to
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  S2: our number here 805 557898.