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Is Trump giving Putin an ultimatum_ President appears to give deadline on Ukraine talks(MP3_160K) · NO FILTER

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  Speaker 1: Do you believe the Russians aren't being disrespectful when they
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  Speaker 1: say that your criticisms of Putin are simply an emotional response.
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  Speaker 1: And do you still believe that Putin actually wants to
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  Speaker 1: end them?
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  Speaker 2: I can't tell you that, but I'll let you know
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  Speaker 2: in about two weeks. Within two weeks, we're going to
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  Speaker 2: find out very soon, we're going to find out whether
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  Speaker 2: or not he's tapping us along or not. And if
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  Speaker 2: he is, well respond a little bit differently. But it'll
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  Speaker 2: take about a week and a half two weeks.
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  Speaker 3: It sounds like an ultimatum, But is it actually an ultimatum?
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump keeps telling Vladimir Putin to stop or else,
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  Speaker 3: negotiate or else, listen to me or else, But Vladimir
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  Speaker 3: Putin is not stopping, and so far President Trump's or
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  Speaker 3: else has it come to fruition joining us now? Former
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  Speaker 3: Deputy National Security Advisor under President Obama, Ben Rhodes, what
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  Speaker 3: do you make of this? Donald Trump keeps saying or else,
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  Speaker 3: and Vladimir Putin keeps ignoring him and then in some
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  Speaker 3: cases mocking him with this, He's just governed by emotional
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  Speaker 3: issues here. He's having an emotional response.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think, thus spar Putin has got
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  Speaker 4: everything he want out of these negotiations. You know, Trump
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  Speaker 4: spent months putting pressure only on the Ukrainians, even though
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  Speaker 4: the Ukrainians kept accepting whatever demands Trump made, whether it
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  Speaker 4: was a thirty day cease fire that Ukraine accepted and
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  Speaker 4: Russia didn't, whether it was this kind of minerals deal
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  Speaker 4: that Trump seemed fixated on that ultimately got done. And
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  Speaker 4: at the same time, all we saw from Russia was
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  Speaker 4: not just a continuation of the war, but an escalation
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  Speaker 4: of the war. And so what I take from it
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  Speaker 4: is that Putin is doing what everybody expected him to do,
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  Speaker 4: which is to continue the war, to continue to press
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  Speaker 4: his advantage at the front line, to continue to take
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  Speaker 4: advantage of the fact that Ukraine doesn't know if they're
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  Speaker 4: going to continue to get the kind of US military
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  Speaker 4: assistance that they've been receiving for the last two or
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  Speaker 4: three years. And so Trump seems to be the only
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  Speaker 4: one who's now kind of figured out that Putin didn't
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  Speaker 4: want to make peace in the first place, That's why
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  Speaker 4: he invaded Ukraine.
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  Speaker 3: How does Donald Trump gain me leverage back if he
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  Speaker 3: keeps saying or else and then follows up with nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Well, that's the question, and the reality, Katie, is that
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  Speaker 4: the only thing that he can really do that matters
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  Speaker 4: to Putin is indicate that the United States will continue
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  Speaker 4: to support Ukraine in the long term. What nobody knows
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  Speaker 4: is whether, if this peace effort fails, as it has
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  Speaker 4: consistently failed to date, whether the US will still cut
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  Speaker 4: off Ukraine from those weapons, from that intelligence support, from
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  Speaker 4: that diplomatic support in holding together a coalition of countries.
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  Speaker 4: If Trump indicates, look, well I'm frustrated and I'm therefore
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  Speaker 4: going to double down on my military support for Ukraine,
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  Speaker 4: then finally he might get Putin's attention and might get
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  Speaker 4: him to the negotiating cable. But if he's unwilling to
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  Speaker 4: say that because it goes against what he said in
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  Speaker 4: the campaign, which is why we're spending all this money
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  Speaker 4: over there, then he has no leverage whatsoever on Putin
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  Speaker 4: other than things he posts on social media. And Katie,
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  Speaker 4: I think he's run into something where this isn't something
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  Speaker 4: you can manage on social media or on Fox News
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  Speaker 4: or in your alternative reality. This is a war that
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  Speaker 4: is happening in the world, and Putin's going to do
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  Speaker 4: what he's going to do absence in real leverage.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it turns out he doesn't necessarily care about their
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  Speaker 3: personal relationship, that Donald Trump is toauted so much. Let
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  Speaker 3: me ask you about news out of Gaza. I want
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  Speaker 3: to play Caroline let it Levitt the White House briefing
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  Speaker 3: talking about moves toward a ceasefire deal.
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  Speaker 5: I can confirm that Special Envoy Witcoff and the President
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  Speaker 5: submitted a seatsfire proposal to Hamas that Israel backed and supported.
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  Speaker 5: Israel signed off on this proposal before it was sent
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  Speaker 5: to Hamas. I can also confirm that those discussions are continuing,
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  Speaker 5: and we hope that a ceasefire in Gaza will take
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  Speaker 5: place so we can return all of the hostages home,
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  Speaker 5: and that's been a priority from this administration from the beginning.
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  Speaker 5: I won't comment further as we are in the midst
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  Speaker 5: of this right now.
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  Speaker 3: It is interesting, Ben that the two wars that Donald
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  Speaker 3: Trump talked a lot about on the campaign trail, Ukraine
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  Speaker 3: and Gaza, he kept saying how he was going to
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  Speaker 3: end them immediately day one. He was going to get
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  Speaker 3: in there, but he hasn't been able to do so,
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  Speaker 3: and right now it seems that the relationship between the
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  Speaker 3: United States and Israel is wearing.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you make your point, Katie. He said
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  Speaker 4: he to end the war in Ukraine in the first day.
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  Speaker 4: We're obviously over four months in the administration. He had
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  Speaker 4: this short term ceasefire at the beginning of the administration Gaza,
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  Speaker 4: but it's gotten much worse. We've seen the kind of
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  Speaker 4: some of the worst bombardments and the worst violence in
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  Speaker 4: Gaza since October seventh take place in the last few months.
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  Speaker 4: That announcement, you know, is the same thing we've heard
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  Speaker 4: a million times. You know, there's always a proposal going
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  Speaker 4: back and forth. I'm skeptical that Israel has signed off
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  Speaker 4: on a true ceasefire, because the reality is the ceasfire
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  Speaker 4: has been on the table for a long time. If
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  Speaker 4: the war ends, the hostages will come home and the
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  Speaker 4: people of Gaza will get assistants and prim mister in
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  Speaker 4: Niaos wanted to continue this war, and so ultimately Trump
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  Speaker 4: the same thing. He's going to have to bring leverage
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  Speaker 4: to bear if he wants to end that war as well.
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  Speaker 4: He wants to seem to have the kind of ability
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  Speaker 4: to talk about these things without applying meaningful diplomatic effort
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  Speaker 4: or leverage on the war and parties to get things done.
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  Speaker 4: This is a little bit harder than he made a
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  Speaker 4: team on the campaign trip. Yeah, because these are protracted conflicts.
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  Speaker 3: It is a desperate situation in Gaza, so there is
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  Speaker 3: a hope that they can come to some sort of
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  Speaker 3: agreement and folks can get food, the basics. I want
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  Speaker 3: to ask you about some reporting out of Pro Publica.
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  Speaker 3: This is reporting about what has happened since the US
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  Speaker 3: has withdrawn from the world through usaid. Exclusive State Department.
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  Speaker 3: State Department records show as the Trump administration abandons its
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  Speaker 3: humanitarian commitments, diplomats are reporting that cuts have led to
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  Speaker 3: violence and instability while undermining anti terrorism initiatives. That's what
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  Speaker 3: got me there. I mean, how does it keep us
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  Speaker 3: safer If this chaos, this instability because we've pulled out
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  Speaker 3: means that terrorism could grow again.
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  Speaker 4: It doesn't. It's very dangerous for Americans. And look, I
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  Speaker 4: think we should care about the fact that there're studies
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  Speaker 4: that are showing that hundreds of thousands of people have
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  Speaker 4: already died because of the withdrawal of American assistants. But
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  Speaker 4: some of this assistance is in places where we're providing
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  Speaker 4: support to fill spaces that would otherwise be filled by
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  Speaker 4: terrorists and extremist groups, or we're providing support to stop
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  Speaker 4: an outbreak of an epidemic before it can reach the
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  Speaker 4: United States. A lot of this aid is self interested
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  Speaker 4: and nothing has taken its place. And so if we
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  Speaker 4: pull out of dangerous places and we're the only people
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  Speaker 4: there who are providing some governance, some stability, some alternative
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  Speaker 4: to extremists, you're going to see all kinds of groups
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  Speaker 4: move into those spaces. You're going to see the growth
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  Speaker 4: of terra safe havens. You're going to see the kind
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  Speaker 4: of chaos and instability that puts innocent people in danger,
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  Speaker 4: but that also becomes you know, places that where disease
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  Speaker 4: emanates from too. That's the whole logic, and they have
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  Speaker 4: no replacement. Katie. This for USAID, it's not like they
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  Speaker 4: dismantled us idea but had like an entirely different theory
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  Speaker 4: of development assistance. They just shut the lights off. They
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  Speaker 4: just pulled these people home, They just canceled these programs.
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  Speaker 4: They did the same thing, by the way, other smaller
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  Speaker 4: development agencies of the United States government too, with no alternative,
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  Speaker 4: and the consequences that this are going to be felt
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  Speaker 4: for years and years to come.
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  Speaker 3: What makes it so confusing is that they did it
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  Speaker 3: in the name of saving money, but the budget for
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  Speaker 3: USAID was miniscule, miniscule in the budget, and they were
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  Speaker 3: talking about how they were going to save all these
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  Speaker 3: trillions of dollars in cash to the DOGE cuts. But
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  Speaker 3: then they have a Republican spending bill that the latest
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  Speaker 3: estimate shows would add four trillion dollars four to the deficits.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Ben Rood, thank you so much for joining
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  Speaker 3: us