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Bonus: EMFs: The End Game & Solutions for Mitigation & Blockage (Part Two) · Beyond Labels Premium

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_01: Hello, welcome to Beyond Labels.
• 0:02
  SPEAKER_01: I'm Dr.
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  SPEAKER_01: Stina McCullough, and as promised in our last episode, I am back with two of the leading experts in man-made EMFs.
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  SPEAKER_01: I have Mary Bauer and Jenny DiMarco, and they are co-founders of Virginians for Safe Technology.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: Now, we covered a lot of information in the last podcast.
• 0:26
  SPEAKER_01: And what we're going to do in this podcast is simplify some things and provide solutions.
• 0:32
  SPEAKER_01: So if you missed the last podcast, a quick recap is that we all are exposed to man-made radio frequency electromagnetic fields or EMFs.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_01: Our exposure has dramatically increased in recent decades.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: And this exposure comes from all sorts of devices like our mobile phones and laptops, Wi-Fi access points, routers, smart meters, antennas on the cell towers, Bluetooth devices, and even those cordless phones in some of our houses.
• 1:04
  SPEAKER_01: It has become nearly impossible to avoid these man-made EMFs.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_01: And as Jenny and Mary so eloquently pointed out in the last podcast, we do have sound scientific research that has now established a connection between these man-made EMFs in all sorts of diseases from cognitive decline like Alzheimer's disease, ADHD, all the way to breast cancer, diabetes, miscarriages in pregnant women, reduced sperm motility, DNA fragmentation in sperm samples in men.
• 1:41
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, you name it, because EMFs, man-made EMFs, have been reported in the literature to increase production of free radicals and basically increase oxidative stress.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_01: And as we know, through thousands of now published studies, it's the oxidative stress in large part that contributes to the etiology of all chronic and autoimmune diseases.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_01: All right, so this is a big topic that we're talking about.
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  SPEAKER_01: It affects everybody.
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  SPEAKER_01: As Mary and Jenny pointed out in the last podcast, it is particularly affecting our children, not only because of the developmental phase that they are in in their growth biologically, but because of their mass exposure to these man-made EMFs in the school systems and in those tablets and such that they give the kids now to take home to learn from.
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  SPEAKER_01: We also give them cell phones at a very young age.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_01: We didn't have those when I was a kid.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_01: We talked about smart meters, how those affect health, and also are a huge, as Mary so eloquently pointed out, the biggest privacy concern we have today is actually coming from these smart meters.
• 2:55
  SPEAKER_01: This is a sleeper issue.
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  SPEAKER_01: And so we're bringing this to you as a part two to help wake all of us up and empower us so that we can continue to live and thrive in this ever-growing community of EMF exposure.
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  SPEAKER_01: So, Mary and Jenny, thank you for joining us again.
• 3:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm so happy to have you back.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_02: We're so happy to be here.
• 3:19
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much, Zina.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: Great.
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  SPEAKER_01: And Mary, I want to start with you.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_01: You did an excellent job in the last podcast of explaining just the enormity of this issue that we are facing.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_01: And one thing that I would like for you to kind of paint a picture.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_01: Pretend that I am five years old, okay?
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: Paint me a picture.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm in my house.
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  SPEAKER_01: What does this smart grid now look like?
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  SPEAKER_01: What am I being exposed to?
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  SPEAKER_01: Where is it coming from?
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  SPEAKER_01: Just really simplify this.
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  SPEAKER_01: What does this look like for me?
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  SPEAKER_01: Someone just sitting in my house.
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  SPEAKER_01: What kind of exposure am I experiencing?
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we have a lot of wireless devices that we use on a day-to-day basis, and mainly our cell phones and our laptops.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: And now we have this uh additional layer with the smart meters that are hooked up to the smart grid.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that's really the objective is to have everything hook up to this interconnected grid.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, everything that you use wirelessly creates a bubble of electromagnetic energy around you.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's called your personal area network.
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  SPEAKER_00: And they like to know all the devices that you're using at any particular time.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's one particular bubble of energy, but then there's also all the devices that all the people in the houses are using because each person has their own pan, personal area network.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so there's all these bubbles of electromagnetic energy, you know, man-made energy, that then encompass the house.
• 4:48
  SPEAKER_00: So you have this big bubble of electromagnetic energy around the house.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_00: They would like to see, you know, the makers of Smart Grid, they would like to see all these bubbles around each house talk to each other, and they do that through the uh smart meters.
• 5:02
  SPEAKER_00: And smart meters has its own infrastructure, and when it is done, the grid transformation, it will be a hundred to a thousand times bigger than the internet, and we know how big that is.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_00: It is humongous.
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  SPEAKER_00: Now, you just talk about, you know, smart meters are done all wirelessly.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a huge data breach waiting to happen and a huge privacy issue.
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  SPEAKER_00: But just imagine all these houses interconnecting, all these bubbles interconnecting and being part of this grid transformation.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the whole point of doing this, of course, is for data efficiency.
• 5:38
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, you hear all the good things, you know, um uh energy efficiency and having things, you know, work autonomously for us.
• 5:47
  SPEAKER_00: AI is a big component of this, by the way, but and driverless cars, et cetera.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's all the good stuff that's supposed to come out of it as far as technology.
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  SPEAKER_00: But you know, there's a high price to pay for that, you know, with how it affects our health and how it affects the environment.
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  SPEAKER_00: RFR is a pollutant, it's an air pollutant, as defined by the insurance industry themselves.
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  SPEAKER_00: So these things are uh all things that have to be taken into consideration anytime that you use a wireless device.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: How much exposure are you getting?
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, I think that's really important to point out.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_01: I did not know that.
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  SPEAKER_01: That you said RFR is actually declared to be an air pollutant.
• 6:27
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, by the industry themselves, yes.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_01: Wow.
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  SPEAKER_01: This doesn't even make logical sense, right?
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_01: They they dec they know it's an air pollutant.
• 6:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yet many of us who have been fighting, for instance, this smart metal meter battle for years, sometimes we can't get them to let us opt out of having a smart meter.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_01: So there's such a disconnect there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like so uh clearly to me, then if they know it is a toxin, right, there's gotta be some other motive behind them having it on your home, right?
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: If they know it is toxicant and it can make people sick, there's gotta be another driver for having it be on the home, which is you're saying is this ultimate game, the all the end game, right, is to create this smart grid.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, so let's start there.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, I love your analogy of the bubbles.
• 7:20
  SPEAKER_01: This really makes a lot of sense.
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  SPEAKER_01: We've all got our own bubbles based on our own personal devices that we're playing on.
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  SPEAKER_01: Then we got this bubble from the smart meter.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_01: I'm assuming we got these bubbles coming from satellites in the sky, a bubble coming from the cell towers.
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  SPEAKER_01: And then I'm I'm picturing as you're describing it, and how these smart meters talk to each other, like so your smart meter is talking to your neighbor's smart meter.
• 7:42
  SPEAKER_01: I'm picturing their smart meters creating a bubble and it's coming through my house, right?
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_01: Affecting me to go to my smart meter and so forth.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: And they're traveling back and forth.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_01: It at a rudimentary level, Mary.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_01: Am I painting that picture correctly in my mind that I'm exposed to all these different bubbles from all these different definitely.
• 8:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, if you can visualize this thing, that's half the battle of trying to do mitigations because you see exactly where these hotspots are created.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_00: You have too many of these bubbles overlapping, you're going to get a hotspot.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the main thing to find out in your house.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you get an off-the-shelf, uh, you know, fairly inexpensive meter, RFR meter, and go around and find out where these hotspots are.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, once you do a couple of measurements, you could probably eyeball it and know what things to avoid.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_00: But um, and also in your outside environment, same thing.
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_00: There's certain places that, like if you stand in the wrong place in Walmart, you can really get fried because they have Wi-Fi there.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: All these stores are getting Wi-Fi.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_00: I I I guess there's a convenience factor there, but you really do have to be mindful of when you're when you are standing in line.
• 8:51
  SPEAKER_00: Like what I tend to do is I do all self-checkout.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: I won't stand in lines if I don't have to.
• 8:57
  SPEAKER_00: Because you're probably there's gonna probably be an overhead Wi-Fi nude while you're waiting in line.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I have the same issue, Mary, as we talked about in the last episode.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_01: Mary and I are both sensitive, hypersensitive to EMFs, right?
• 9:11
  SPEAKER_01: We are the canaries in the coal mine, and thank you, God, for giving us that ability.
• 9:16
  SPEAKER_01: I have the same issue when I go to Walmart, when I go to Target.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_01: My husband hates running errands with me because I become irritable.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: It's because of all the EMF exposure, right?
• 9:27
  SPEAKER_01: I'm in the storm, okay.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_01: A couple minutes later, I'm like, get your stuff, let's go.
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  SPEAKER_01: Like, I gotta get out of here.
• 9:33
  SPEAKER_00: You know, yeah, and I used to I used to have that problem when um GPS, the mounted, the old mounted ones.
• 9:40
  SPEAKER_00: I could not be in a car if somebody had that GPS on.
• 9:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, to a certain extent, I can tolerate, you know, cell phones, although I don't like being on the side where the antenna is showing.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know, if a person's on the phone, or I guess they've kind of ruled that out now because they do it integrated into the car.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_00: But you know, be mindful of what your environment is doing to you.
• 10:00
  SPEAKER_00: And looking at where Wi-Fi nodes are is one of the tricks to being safe in a store.
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  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_01: And before I'm gonna go over to Jenny in just a minute with solutions as well.
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  SPEAKER_01: Before we move on to that, Mary, one more question for you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Um, a lot of us in this space are thinking that you know, 5G is bad.
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  SPEAKER_01: 5G took all this exposure to another level.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_01: Can you just briefly explain why is 5G so much worse than the 4G, and then its predecessors, the 4G and the 3G?
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, by definition, it needs overdensification of antennas because they use uh in the beginning with 5G, they use the higher frequencies, which have shorter wavelengths, which means they had to put a lot more of these antennas on poles closer together.
• 10:48
  SPEAKER_00: And closer to you, right?
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: They are now closer to you.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: Mary, Jenny?
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_00: Uh what I call sub six gigahertz frequency.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, wait, hold on, Mary, hold on one second.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_01: Can you still hear me?
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so I totally lost you guys after I said, and it's closer to you.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: Did you control that?
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I did.
• 11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, so can you pick up right on there?
• 11:19
  SPEAKER_01: Because I totally lost you guys.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_01: Everything froze.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll say it again.
• 11:22
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, and Mary, another component of that is now those 5G um towers are are closer to you, correct?
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but with 5G, there's what's called an overdensification that's needed of these towers because they tended in the beginning when 5G was deployed to use shorter wavelengths, which means that everything has to be closer together to get the same effect as if you're using a lower frequency that had a longer wavelength.
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: So I know it makes it complicated, but all you have to think of is lots more of them and anywhere they can find a place to put them on top of buildings, on top of schools, on school property.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, it's basically stick a pole in the ground and put an antenna on it because we want all the wireless devices to talk to each other.
• 12:08
  SPEAKER_00: So they need more of these things to do that.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_01: So, in other words, more bubbles maybe into our place.
• 12:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there's going to be bubbles everywhere.
• 12:18
  SPEAKER_00: It's like getting a soap bottle out and just, you know, blowing into the wind.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: Anywhere they can put them, they they want them.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_00: And they're now going into our national parks and our historic places, you know, because we're they're saying, well, where don't we have these things at?
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's just get rid of that federal rule and let's open that land up and put some more of these bubbles out there.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, they they just automatically think that people want to be hooked up wirelessly.
• 12:43
  SPEAKER_00: And, you know, that's not necessarily the case.
• 12:45
  SPEAKER_00: There, there's uh their energy hogs, all this wireless stuff, it's a lot of energy that you use compared to if you had an an Ethernet connection, you know, wired connection.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: And that's one of the paradigm shifts that we should try to do as far as far as mitigation, is to appeal to your school or your homeowners association or the place where you work or wherever you have influence and ask for wired connections as being the main way that you make a connection to the internet.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: And they could even do this with smart meters, by the way.
• 13:21
  SPEAKER_00: They have the capability to put an Ethernet connection.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_00: The reason they don't do it is because they would never make as much money.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: They have basically built themselves a whole other telecom system that's not AT ATT and Verizon, at least up front.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: They might be there somewhere, but they're not up front.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: They have their own telecom network, you know, for the smart meter.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_00: So it's it's a money-making business.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: And Jenny, along those lines, can you start us down the road of some solutions?
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like so people are now listening to this.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: They're either already aware or like me becoming aware of just how vast this problem is, that it's it doesn't seem like it's going to be stopping.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I used to do the whole avoidance method where I'm just like, okay, I'm going to get a certain distance away from all these cell towers, also away from high-tension power lines, by the way.
• 14:15
  SPEAKER_01: Those are also dangerous.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: And as long as I distance myself and put all my stuff in airplane mode, and I wired, I don't have Wi-Fi on in my house.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: We use a connection and do the um, you know, Ethernet um route instead, then I would be okay.
• 14:32
  SPEAKER_01: And I was okay.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_01: I was okay.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: And then we moved, and now there's smart meters uh all around us in a community.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: Thank goodness we're renting, so we're gonna be able to get away from this.
• 14:43
  SPEAKER_01: But in this moment, I cannot get away from it.
• 14:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't own the house.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_01: I can't get rid of the smart meter.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_01: It's everywhere.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_01: The 5G towers, I see them everywhere.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: So now I've come to this realization I can't outrun it, right?
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: I I'm gonna stand up and fight any chance I get, right?
• 15:00
  SPEAKER_01: But it seems as though we're gonna lose this battle.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so now I'm going toward how can I build my own resilience in where I stand.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: So can you start us down this road of how we can empower ourselves and come up with some solutions on maybe the individual level and then take it beyond if you would like?
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: Sure.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_02: And I'll do more of a higher level overview, and then I'm sure Mary will have some more specific things when it comes to the technical aspect and maybe even some supplements.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_02: So just some basic bullet points.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, number one, be aware of your environments.
• 15:41
  SPEAKER_02: And that means to what Mary said, it means measuring, mitigating, but it also means paying attention to how things are making you feel.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, you all were talking about being in some of these megastores.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_02: And what's funny is I work on this issue and I never connected when I go into Walmart, I feel dizzy.
• 16:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I didn't connect it until like a year into working on this.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: Because you just still think, no, not me.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and and it's not something a conscious thought that I had.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_02: It is um I I just I just be aware is all is all that really.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_02: I didn't I didn't make that connection, but once you make it, you start to avoid the places or you spend shorter periods of time, or you move things in your house, or you wire your home, which um, you know, I have finally done.
• 16:32
  SPEAKER_02: So just be aware of your environment.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: Number two, know how to mitigate.
• 16:36
  SPEAKER_02: And this is where Mary's gonna speak, um, speak more to, but there's no one size fits all, and it's going to be trial and error.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: So if you buy yourself, you know, just a consumer RF meter, which is intimidating at first, and I can understand that.
• 16:50
  SPEAKER_02: This is not even a road that I wanted to go down.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_02: I just wanted somebody to be able to tell me what to do, and then I can go ahead and insert that in my own home.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_02: But I bought myself a meter and just even if it's reading and you don't understand the readings, you'll be able to tell when something is registering on the RF meter.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_02: So even if the numbers aren't making sense to you yet, just going around your home and seeing where there are spikes is very important to do.
• 17:16
  SPEAKER_02: And then, of course, you can introduce shielding, you can wire your home, you can only have certain spots where you charge your phone, as Mary had mentioned before, and all different um ways.
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm sure Mary will touch on this again.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, number three, educate your doctors.
• 17:33
  SPEAKER_02: So if you're going and seeing your GP, you know, just ask them, hey, have you heard of this?
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: Do you know all of this science?
• 17:40
  SPEAKER_02: You can even, there's tons of information on our website or the Environmental Health Trust website or children's health defense website.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_02: You can print it out and you can bring them, you know, a printout and just say, um, I just was wondering, as the person who is my primary care uh doctor, if you could just look into this.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_02: If they, you know, if they say, no, I haven't heard of it, or no, there's nothing to that.
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: Just say, you know, I understand there's different information out there, but maybe you could just look into this for me and just see how they receive it because honestly, the medical industry is unaware as a whole of this.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_02: And they are going more towards wireless in the hospitals, they're going more towards wireless in their offices.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_02: And most of them don't even know there's a smart meter on the side of their office or on the smart meter on the side of their hospital.
• 18:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and I'll add to that, um, a lot of the hospitals that I've seen lately have towers right near the hospital.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_02: That's right.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_02: And they're used to this wireless equipment in the room.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_02: And what would happen if you or Mary, God forbid, had to go to the hospital.
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_02: And that is something that that affects you in such a negative way, right off the bat.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_02: How can they truly tell what's going on with you if you're in a room full of wireless?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, so they people need to really be telling the medical profession and the people who are supposed to be taking care of us, is the ones you trust.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_02: I understand now there's a little bit of divisiveness and all of that, but um, just even taking a piece of paper that has some information into your doctor's office, just print it off of Environmental Health Trust or wherever.
• 19:13
  SPEAKER_02: And there's a lot of one sheets that you can just say, here's an introduction.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: That's it.
• 19:17
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and then fourth, supplements and self-care.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_02: So there's a lot of different things that we could list, but um this is just another reason to move your body because you need to oxygenate your blood, right?
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: You need to drink more water, you need to get more electrolytes.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you need to, you know, if you want to purchase supplements, then things like magnesium can really help, especially with the brain issues that this will cause.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_02: And I know Mary has some other some other ideas for supplements, but this is just another reason for us to be um eating proper nutrients, sleeping well, you know, creating a safe space in your room that is a dark place, like, you know, blackout curtains and quiet and cool and take all of the electronics out of your bedroom if possible, and just create a really good place to sleep.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_02: Um, lower your stress.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I know I already mentioned this, but exercising, moving your body and oxygenates the blood.
• 20:18
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what we need, right?
• 20:19
  SPEAKER_02: In order to help the brain and the body combat this on a can on a consistent basis.
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_02: So I don't know if you wanted to add anything, Cena, but I'm sure Mary will have things to add.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so one of the things I wanted to mention, it's kind of ironic, is that you know, the technology and how much we depend on it tends to create a very sedentary lifestyle.
• 20:39
  SPEAKER_00: And also being around the uh Wi-Fi, you know, because we have Wi-Fi antennas and in all of our um computers, you know, if you put it on airplane mode and you remember to do that, you know, that that's that's really uh a good thing to do while you're using the computer if you don't need the Wi-Fi.
• 20:58
  SPEAKER_00: But if you have that Wi-Fi on or you're around Wi-Fi, I do believe it raises your cortisol levels and that helps you retain fat.
• 21:07
  SPEAKER_00: So a sedentary lifestyle and the ability to gain weight, it's a horrible combination.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why paradigm shifts have to come along with the mitigations and saying that you have to you definitely have to have a more active lifestyle that no matter how you look at it, whether it's to exercise, to supplement, to be outside more.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: And the technology tends to make you not want to do that because it does have an addictive component to it.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the screen time addictions has to do with, you know, uh the refresh rate on the screen and the blue light and all that.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: So you really have to work hard at this.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_00: You have to have a plan.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: You just can't kind of uh one day think about it and the next day not think about it.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: It has to be a comprehensive mitigation plan, comprehensive RF mitigation plan, where all these things Jenny talked about and all the things that we referenced before about this electromagnetic soup that we're in.
• 22:06
  SPEAKER_00: That even if you're not feeling the effects, that you should be doing these good practices anyway.
• 22:11
  SPEAKER_00: I can't stress that enough.
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: And avoidance is your best friend.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: It used to be distance was your best friend when line of sight was involved with 4G.
• 22:20
  SPEAKER_00: With 5G, avoidance is your friend.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: And that means unplugging, not using things as much and moving things away from you.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_02: I do want to add also, I don't know if people find can find this overwhelming like I do or did at one point.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_02: But it doesn't all have to be done at once either.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_02: And it can be small changes to your daily habits, and that's where you start.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_02: So it can be putting your phone in airplay mode before you put it in your pockets or your purse, you know.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_02: It can be, like I said, not sleeping with things in your room.
• 22:53
  SPEAKER_02: It can be turning off your Wi-Fi router at night before you go to bed or unplugging it, you know, or getting a timer that turns it off by itself at certain times, you know, and then turns it back on by itself.
• 23:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um, it can be not using your Bluetooth in your car.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_02: It can be uh, you know, like Mary said, not standing in line for long periods of time because you most likely are overexposed, you know, in these big box stores.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_02: It can be small changes that will make a difference over time because just like Wi-Fi, our our habits can be cumulative, right?
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and wearing wearing blue light blockers, as ugly as they can, some of them can be, they're super helpful for not creating issues with your eyes.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: And what happens is it's it's degenerative.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's not going to happen from one day to the next.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_02: It's going to happen after using it for long periods of time.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_02: So um I just want to say, because to me, this whole issue when I first started in it was very overwhelming.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: And there's still times that I can get overwhelmed by it because it's so big and so broad and it just keeps coming.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: That's what it seems like.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: However, if you just kind of block all of that out and you say, What can I do today?
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_02: And just do those things, you know, if there's one or two things that you know you can do today that will help lower your exposure, exposure, and then that's something you can implement into your life day after day, that's where you start, you know, and then maybe pick another bigger thing, i.e.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_02: getting a supplement or um shielding, certain types of shielding, or eventually getting your housewire.
• 24:27
  SPEAKER_02: That's a big thing, you know.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you can implement that as you're implementing the smaller habit changes.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 24:33
  SPEAKER_01: I love that.
• 24:34
  SPEAKER_01: And let me just, I'm gonna recap some that you've already listed, add a couple, and then I'm gonna ask you both a question.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, okay, so we mentioned ways to help yourself to kind of mitigate or defend yourself from this chronic exposure.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um, we mentioned putting devices in airplane mode.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: So I do this with my phone, with my cell phone.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um, my kids have one of those little like like the switch thing, you know, where they can play games on it.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's always in airplane mode as well.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: The um, and I don't so I don't text.
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_01: I had to change a behavior.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: This is like what you said.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: This was one of my slow evolving tactics is um, you know, I love to text, right?
• 25:20
  SPEAKER_01: That's how we communicate now.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_01: I'd rather pick up the phone, but that's out of fashion, apparently.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: So um, which by the way, I still have a corded phone.
• 25:29
  SPEAKER_01: Like that, I will not give up my corded phone.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I've measured it with my meter and I don't I don't see the EMFs coming off of it.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_01: It is corded, so I use that.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_01: So I'd rather be on the phone, but that's out of fashion.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: So um I actually had to send an email to all my friends and tell them, I really need your help with this.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to be texting anymore because of the EMF exposure.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_01: I want to keep my phone in airplane mode 99% of the time.
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Could you please either call me at my home phone or email me?
• 25:59
  SPEAKER_01: And I could you not my some people were like, what?
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_01: Why are you gonna disconnect from the world?
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, is texting the way we connect to the world?
• 26:08
  SPEAKER_01: Like, but most people, I'll tell you, like nine out of 10 people were so supportive.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: And so now they predominantly email me.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: So that's helped me get off my text off the phone and I and stop texting.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_01: Um, turning off the Wi-Fi to the phone and the computer.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_01: I have noticed when I measure my phone with my meter, if the Wi-Fi button is on and I put it in airplane mode, it's still emitting EMFs.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: So it might just be my phone, but it's still emitting EMFs.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: You got to put that thing in the airplane mode and you know, and then and turn it off.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Um, unplug devices, like Mary had said, every device in my house that we're not currently using, I unplug that device.
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um as Jenny talked about, creating a nice safe space for you to sleep in.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I do that too, a dark space in, like we mentioned previously, I turn the power off to the rooms that we're sleeping in.
• 27:04
  SPEAKER_01: There is no power that goes into those rooms.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_01: I do use a white noise machine, but I string it in from um, you know, like an extension cord from a different room.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: And that's only because there's a busy street right here, so I have to drown out the noise.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: I'd rather have nothing in the room, but you know, you make do.
• 27:21
  SPEAKER_01: One thing I didn't realize was um PlayStations and Xboxes, things like that, they emit radiation.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and so we when we were able to put them in Wi-Fi mode, we did that.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: And now there's some versions where you can't even do that.
• 27:37
  SPEAKER_01: So we just don't even use those um anymore.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um one thing I had to start doing, because like Mary, I can't have the GPS on.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: So when we're you know going someplace, instead of turning that on on the phone to get your directions, I print them out ahead of time and we do old school, right?
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_01: We're like reading the directions in the car.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_01: And that's a that's a lost art to teach your kids, right?
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_01: So we're teaching them how to use maps and find their own way to get to places.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, another option is sleeping under a Faraday cage, right?
• 28:10
  SPEAKER_01: That's something that some people have found very helpful if it is built correctly.
• 28:15
  SPEAKER_01: If not, it can be very dangerous.
• 28:17
  SPEAKER_01: And we have somebody coming on the show at some point that's gonna talk about building Faraday cages.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I'll leave that one on hold for now.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_01: The one I want to ask you guys about what about smart meter covers?
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Do these work?
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: Are they a problem?
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: I have um measured with my meter and I've noticed that it's like it doesn't block it 100% from from go radiating out from the house.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: It does block it substantially, but it appeared as though what I really did was that energy has to go somewhere.
• 28:53
  SPEAKER_01: It appeared to bounce off the smart meter cover and come into the home.
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_01: Am I imagining that on my meter, or is this is this truly what could happen with the smart meter cover?
• 29:05
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you're going to you're I'm sorry, go ahead.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_00: You're getting reflections.
• 29:10
  SPEAKER_00: That's why it's coming back.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: But the the the signal has to go out, you know, the it has to be able to be let out.
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's why it's a mesh.
• 29:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: Because some of the signal does get out.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's what's called attenuation, where it reduces the range of that main beam coming out of the the the meter, but then because of the mesh, you're going to get some back reflections, scatter, and refraction.
• 29:37
  SPEAKER_00: So it it's um I I I kind of say to um if if you really don't like the meter on your house, the best thing is to take it off the side of your house and move it away.
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: I think you can do up to 75 feet, but only have the screen if you're trying to protect the area that's in front of the meter.
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_00: Like if you're if your meter is on the inside, like in a garage and you have a a workspace there, then it makes sense to put a screen on it.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_00: Or if you're constantly going through the alleyway between houses, you know, where you're going to be exposed to the the main beam of that that smart meter, then these these screens, you know, are very helpful.
• 30:20
  SPEAKER_00: But for the most part, when you put a screen on it, you're helping your neighbor more than you're helping yourself.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: If it's the typical installation where it's on the side of the house and it's attached to a garage, as opposed to, you know, being in a you know or a space in the house like a bedroom.
• 30:39
  unknown: Okay.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_02: Wait, can I caveat something?
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_02: So Mary said um take it off your home and have it.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_02: So this is different for every state and different power companies.
• 30:50
  SPEAKER_02: Um, first, because you don't want to touch your meter without um talking to your power company and seeing what it is in your state.
• 30:57
  SPEAKER_02: So just make sure, like here in Virginia, she was referring to Virginia, I think it's around 75 feet.
• 31:02
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so make sure you say, I mean, they will probably tell you, well, you have to hire a third party to have them take it off your home and move it 75 feet away.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_02: But even so, you want to run that by your power company because you don't want it to be considered tampering.
• 31:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you have to get triple to do that for sure.
• 31:20
  SPEAKER_02: And then the other thing is there is a meter cover out there, and Mary could probably speak more to the technical side of this, but um it's it absorbs versus um reflects, or you know, it's it's more absorbent because of whatever's inside it.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_02: And so if you are gonna cover your meter with something, like if this was my home and I was deciding what to do about it, what I would do is number one, try to move it off the house.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_02: If I couldn't move it off the house, I would get a um cover that absorbed the I would put something on the wall to shield the inside wall, but then I'd get a cover that absorbed the signal because it's still apparently this cover does still, we're not associated with this, but as DE filters, um, it does still um allow enough of a signal that it can be read by the companies.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_02: So you don't want something that reflects, you want something that absorbs.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: Right, because you won't have that backscatter, so it's uh um the material in there prevents that effect that you were talking about.
• 32:26
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what more is coming through?
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: The other thing about smart meters that you have to remember is it's not just the RF, it's not just you know the EMF that it emits.
• 32:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, with a digital meter versus an analog meter, so the ones with the dials are we're calling an analog, even though there's different versions of them.
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_02: Um they have the five dials and they change the um, but then the digital meter that has digital numbers on it is what we're calling a smart meter.
• 32:54
  SPEAKER_02: There's all different versions out there, so you'd have to look up what yours is if it's on the side of your home.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_02: But the other thing to remember with these is it's not just the RF or EMFs, it's the uh dirty electricity that it puts on the wiring throughout the house.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_02: So it has something in it called a switch mode power supply.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_02: And this is as far as I go as far as technical talk, so don't worry.
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and what it does is it's constantly changing it from AC to DC and back again.
• 33:19
  SPEAKER_02: And that would in itself will put the dirty electricity on the wiring throughout the house.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's not just coming out the outlets or anything like that.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_02: It is actually the all the wiring going on behind the house.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: So, number one, dirty electricity operates in extreme in the low frequency, which is, as we talked about in I think the previous podcast, it can affect the brain.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_02: But then, um, Mary, there's there's can you talk, speak to the dirty electricity and how that is hard to mitigate within the home?
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's so a lot of people don't realize that an RFR meter doesn't go down low enough.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_00: And you would probably need to use an oscilloscope, it's a totally different piece of equipment.
• 34:01
  SPEAKER_00: But we're talking about two to 50 kilohertz that is internal noise that is generated by the smart meter itself.
• 34:10
  SPEAKER_00: And this conducts, it's called conducted emissions along all the electrical circuits in the home, and it radiates um from the the wire, you know, perpendicular to the wire.
• 34:24
  SPEAKER_00: It could come out as far as six feet.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, this is in the one uh particular bandwidth that the FCC admits causes adverse neurostimulation.
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_00: And if you have your headboard against any wall with this dirty electricity on the wires, you know, you're going to be exposed to that frequency.
• 34:46
  SPEAKER_00: So it really doesn't have to be a very high power density or high power level, rather.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's the frequency itself that is problematic.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_00: So best to, like you do, turn the electricity off in the room because short of putting a whole house filter on, I don't think there's any other way to mitigate that other than you know, moving your bed away from the wall, whatever amount you need to drop off that field.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it might not be six feet in some homes, it might be less than that.
• 35:16
  SPEAKER_00: But um, even if you don't have a smart meter, you're still gonna have those conducted emissions from uh any house that's on your transformer um coming down the line, like up line from you, meaning if you live a sixth house on the block and everybody's on the same circuit as you, those five houses, they all have smart meters and you don't, you're gonna get it coming on down to you anyway.
• 35:40
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if I'm explaining that good enough for you to get that visualization.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_00: But you yourself don't have to have a smart meter to be subjected to dirty electricity.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: I actually put a microsurge um unit into my electrical outlets and got um uh 1250 AM radio playing through my electrical socket.
• 36:01
  SPEAKER_00: I had that kind of interference coming down the line from somewhere.
• 36:04
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know where it came from, but I I was shocked.
• 36:07
  SPEAKER_00: I I couldn't hear.
• 36:08
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of white noise on on top of it, but yeah, I was getting a broadcast off of my electrical outlets.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well the other thing to note about the dirty electricity, and this isn't a solution or a positive thing, but um, the dirty electricity is going to cost money, right?
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's it's we're never going to be able to lower our electricity bills once these digital meters are on the side of our home.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_02: You may it may stay the same for a little bit, but ultimately it's never going to get, you'll never be able, no, it doesn't matter what type of environmentally saving thing you put in your house, you will never get it lower.
• 36:44
  unknown: Right.
• 36:44
  SPEAKER_02: It is because of the way that it calculates the electricity.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_02: It's different from the way the analog did.
• 36:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so it creates extra volts on the line, and the minimum was calculated at 16 volts peak to peak.
• 36:58
  SPEAKER_00: And anything that creates dirty electricity can do the same thing, like dimmer switches are notorious.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: They'll rack up your your uh electric bill if you have a smart meter, because those extra things are gonna be seen and measured off the peak, not the average or the whatever the 15-minute average is, it's the peak.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_00: So all these things that put the dirty electricity, which spike high voltage, are gonna cost you know the homeowner.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so there's there's no savings here.
• 37:28
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, state to state, a lot of people are saying over the past 10 years that these these meters don't work, they don't perform, they're more costly.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: And by the way, the good news is they only have a lifespan of five to seven years.
• 37:42
  SPEAKER_00: That's the actual lifespan.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_00: Although they're claimed by the electricity company to have more like a 10 to or 10 to 15 year lifespan, and they do that to make it look more, you know, economical.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_00: But the reality is because they have a computer chip circuit board in there, just like how you update your phones and your laptops, it's five to seven years.
• 38:06
  SPEAKER_00: So what I'm hoping is that if there's enough advocacy for wired connections on smart meters that they eventually change them out to Ethernet connections and get rid of this mesh that they've created, all these bubbles floating around.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: I I would really like to see that not be part of this this grid transformation.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_01: And I didn't know.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm gonna look into the whole you can take it, uh you get permission to take the smart meter off.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: So they're not wired into there, there's no wires.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: You it's literally um there are, they would have to run the wiring out to wherever it is and put it on a post.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, okay.
• 38:45
  SPEAKER_01: Hence you got your permission for that.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but that's a good option.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, if you can't get an opt-out, right?
• 38:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like a lot of power companies are now not allowing you to opt out anymore.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: So if you can't, so that would be my first option, right?
• 39:01
  SPEAKER_01: Fight for an opt-out.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_01: If they don't let you opt out, then like Jenny said, that's a great option to ask if they can move it away from the house, you know.
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, if you did do that, I would definitely go with the Iron Maiden.
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: That's the one she said from DE filters, because now you're talking about a backyard space and you really would want to protect, you know, the main beam and get an absorbing material that it's a perfect match, you know, for that kind of application.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's that's a good, excellent point.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_01: So if you move it off the wall, then protect it, protect your living space in the outside area by getting this Iron Maiden DE filter.
• 39:39
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you also mentioned um, because I'm very concerned about dirty electricity as well.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_01: So obviously turn off the power to the rooms you're sleeping in.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_01: That doesn't help me during the day, right?
• 39:51
  SPEAKER_01: And now we're home all the time.
• 39:53
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you mentioned a whole house filter.
• 39:56
  SPEAKER_01: So you can buy a whole house filter to eliminate or at least reduce something.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: So so two things about the effects.
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: Um, during the daytime, um you're you're in a different brainwave state.
• 40:10
  SPEAKER_00: So you're much more affected at nighttime, you know, with your melatonin production and all that.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: So know that the body can handle it better during the day than it can at night.
• 40:21
  SPEAKER_00: So, and getting the whole house filter, you know, it's a little bit of a pricey uh adventure, but for somebody who is very sensitive, I think it's the only way to go.
• 40:30
  SPEAKER_00: Or as an alternative, uh, you know, in a certain room that you spend most of your time in, you can get individual socket filters.
• 40:39
  SPEAKER_00: And there's tons of companies that sell these things, they're not all created equal.
• 40:44
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you could probably go online and look at the reviews.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: I I can't really recommend one over the other.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we we don't affiliate with any of them.
• 40:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, but there's lots of them out there.
• 40:56
  SPEAKER_00: And what I would recommend is not to put it in the outlet necessarily that you're at, because it could actually have a localized consequence, meaning that you might be able to feel something.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: I would put it in another uh outlet away from you and see if it can reduce where you're at.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_00: It may be able to do it, it just all depends on how your circuits are hooked up.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_00: Like Stetzer filters is, I guess, the the one that they recommend more than more so over than others.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_00: Stets or filter makes a plug-in and it also makes um a unit that you measure the dirty electricity with.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: So you have to buy them as a pair.
• 41:37
  SPEAKER_00: And I just remember that company because that's the one that most people recommend, but it most certainly isn't the only one.
• 41:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I would just say, because I can feel the effects of a Stetzer filter, and I and I hadn't thought about this until I had read something recently, try it in another outlet in the same room and see if you can lower the dirty electricity in that outlet closest to you, such that you don't feel the effect from putting the filter in there.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_00: Because they do, they do sometimes they take a couple volts to uh to run the filter.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 42:10
  SPEAKER_01: Wow, this is all such great information.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_01: I want to thank both of you, Jenny and Mary, for coming on the show, especially twice and helping to explain this and also giving us some real practical solutions of how we can start from the small baby steps and grow up, grow into these larger remediations.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_01: Um, you've made this you've made this topic that can be very um fear-based, you know, very scary, kind of puts you in a victim mentality.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_01: I think you've really empowered us, you know, you've educated us, you've equipped us with some great starting points.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for sharing this knowledge with us.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_01: And I hope that as this situation, as you said, it's not going anywhere.
• 42:58
  SPEAKER_01: And so as this key continues to develop, and as we're hoping to bring more activism to this issue, I would hope and and I invite you to please come back on the show and share with us new things that you're learning, whether it be what they're doing or on the solution side, you know, things we can do.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: So I want to thank you both so much for coming.
• 43:20
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you so much for covering this very important issue.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: And we really appreciate the time and the ability to reach more people on this, because like you said, it's not going anywhere.
• 43:31
  SPEAKER_02: And so the more we can just arm people with this information, the better.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_01: And and where can people find you?
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_01: Where can people find your organization?
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like say they want to learn more and they want to get involved.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_01: Where are you at?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_02: Sure, you can find us at www.virginiansforsafetech.org.
• 43:49
  SPEAKER_02: And you can join our email list there.
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_02: There's tons of information.
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: We're constantly updating the website.
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_02: So hopefully you can find something useful.
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll add to that you have great information for people who live outside of Virginia as well.
• 44:03
  SPEAKER_01: It's not just for Virginians.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_01: You actually are covering this on a national level, which I really appreciate.
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_02: We just so happen to live in Virginia, and so we're trying to, you know, make changes here at the state level, but our website, it can be applicable anywhere.
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's not just us that's going through it, it's everywhere.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_02: So, yes, you can definitely find information for for every state.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, awesome.
• 44:27
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, well, please take some time, go to their website, check it out, and like she said, just start with one thing a day.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: You know, I do this with my kids.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_01: This has been like our homeschool project where we have tried to EMF mitigate the house and where we're at by doing just one step together at a time and explaining it to the kids as we're doing it.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: So it doesn't have to be like a laborist thing.
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's just one step at a time, just trying to keep moving forward.
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_01: So again, Jenny, Mary, thank you so much, and we'll see you next week.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you.