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- 0:02Speaker 1: Tony Baker.
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- 0:26Speaker 2: So we've been doing these actor deep dives. And we
- 0:30Speaker 2: had an idea to do a musician deep dive. We're
- 0:33Speaker 2: going to kick it off with Jay-Z. Since he announced
- 0:36Speaker 2: that he is going to be performing at the Super
- 0:39Speaker 2: Bowl this year, here's what we do. Jay-Z, first song
- 0:44Speaker 2: you remember hearing. Favorite song, best song, best album, least
- 0:49Speaker 2: favorite album, favorite music video, favorite feature. Now, favorite feature,
- 0:54Speaker 2: are we going them on somebody else's album or somebody else's?
- 0:59Speaker 3: Yeah, their album.
- 1:00Speaker 1: Favorite feature would be them featuring on somebody else's song.
- 1:03Speaker 3: Okay, them featuring somebody else's song.
- 1:05Speaker 2: Most underrated song, overrated song, collab we'd like to see,
- 1:10Speaker 2: and then top 10 songs.
- 1:14Speaker 1: That's going to be tough.
- 1:15Speaker 2: That's going to be tough. Especially with an artist like Jay-Z.
- 1:18Speaker 2: I'm going to just be throwing stuff out there.
- 1:20Speaker 3: And it's okay.
- 1:21Speaker 1: I ain't even got it together.
- 1:23Speaker 2: And that's fine. And when we do somebody like Stevie Wonder, man,
- 1:26Speaker 2: it's just going to be, there's just too much.
- 1:30Speaker 3: It's just too much.
- 1:31Speaker 1: It's too much real estate.
- 1:32Speaker 3: There's too many.
- 1:33Speaker 1: Ten songs is tough.
- 1:35Speaker 3: But we got to make it tough, Tone.
- 1:36Speaker 1: All right.
- 1:36Speaker 2: All right, let's kick it off. The first Jay-Z song
- 1:40Speaker 2: you remember hearing. This is also interesting because me and
- 1:43Speaker 2: Tony have totally different hip hop experiences.
- 1:46Speaker 1: Oh, for sure.
- 1:47Speaker 2: I grew up in the church. I was not deep
- 1:49Speaker 2: into the albums. Y'all know that. This is also for
- 1:52Speaker 2: you at home to decide for yourself. Don't get mad
- 1:55Speaker 2: at me because I'm not going to lie. If the
- 1:57Speaker 2: first song that I came up with was Magnum Carter,
- 1:59Speaker 2: Holy Grail, then let it be.
- 2:01Speaker 1: Okay?
- 2:02Speaker 3: That would be crazy. I'm going to keep it honest.
- 2:04Speaker 3: That's not the case. Keep it honest. But I'm going
- 2:06Speaker 3: to keep it honest.
- 2:08Speaker 2: All right. What's the first song you ever remember hearing?
- 2:10Speaker 1: With Jay-Z on it, or does it have to be
- 2:12Speaker 1: his song?
- 2:13Speaker 3: It could be Jay-Z on it.
- 2:15Speaker 4: The first time I remember hearing Jay-Z, it was on
- 2:18Speaker 4: a song called It's Time to Build by Mike Geronimo.
- 2:23Speaker 4: Mike Geronimo was a Queens rapper. He was down with
- 2:27Speaker 4: Irv Gotti and them back when... Back when Irv Gotti
- 2:31Speaker 4: had the Cash Money click, this was before Cash Money.
- 2:34Speaker 3: Okay.
- 2:35Speaker 4: And on this song, Mike Geronimo's album came out. It
- 2:38Speaker 4: was called The Natural. It came out in 95. On
- 2:42Speaker 4: the song A Time to Build, it was Jay-Z, DMX.
- 2:47Speaker 1: Ja Rule. What year is that?
- 2:49Speaker 4: On one track, 95. So this is before any of
- 2:52Speaker 4: them ever put out any solo album. Those three were
- 2:57Speaker 4: on the same track.
- 2:59Speaker 3: And this is the song you're talking about? Yes. I've
- 3:00Speaker 3: never even heard of Mike Geronimo.
- 3:02Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 3:03Speaker 1: Yep.
- 3:04Speaker 3: He's a rapper?
- 3:05Speaker 1: He's a rapper from Queens.
- 3:07Speaker 3: Did he ever make it big?
- 3:08Speaker 1: I mean, he never really blew up like that.
- 3:12Speaker 3: Outside of New York?
- 3:14Speaker 1: Or period?
- 3:14Speaker 4: Well, I knew about him outside of New York, but
- 3:16Speaker 4: he just never exploded.
- 3:18Speaker 2: I've never heard of Mike Geronimo.
- 3:20Speaker 1: That song, A Time to.
- 3:21Speaker 4: Build, had all of them on there, and it was
- 3:24Speaker 4: before any of them debuted with an album.
- 3:26Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah. That was my first time taking Jay-Z in.
- 3:30Speaker 4: And even around that same time, maybe even a little
- 3:33Speaker 4: bit earlier, Big Daddy Kane had a song called Show
- 3:37Speaker 4: and Prove, and Jay-Z was on there.
- 3:39Speaker 3: Okay.
- 3:40Speaker 1: That might have.
- 3:43Speaker 3: Maybe that.
- 3:43Speaker 1: I can't remember which song came out first.
- 3:46Speaker 3: Got you.
- 3:46Speaker 1: But Jay-Z was on there as well. So it would
- 3:49Speaker 1: have to be between one of those two. Okay.
- 3:51Speaker 2: Give me a second, because I'm checking some dates.
- 3:53Speaker 4: While you're checking, man, So, Show and Prove was a
- 3:57Speaker 4: Big Daddy Kane song. It had Old Dirty Bastards on there, Cheyenne, Jay-Z,
- 4:03Speaker 4: and I forget who else was on there. Some dude
- 4:06Speaker 4: with like a high-pitched voice. But that was like an
- 4:11Speaker 4: early Jay-Z exposure right there.
- 4:13Speaker 1: I don't remember Hawaiian Sophie.
- 4:15Speaker 4: I know a lot of people talk about the Jazz-O song,
- 4:17Speaker 4: but I don't remember.
- 4:18Speaker 1: Him on there. You never even heard of it.
- 4:20Speaker 3: Mine is 1998.
- 4:21Speaker 2: Wow.
- 4:25Speaker 1: Hard Knock Life?
- 4:25Speaker 3: Hard Knock Life. I was in 10th grade.
- 4:29Speaker 2: Wow. And Hard Knock Life came out, and I'm like, yo.
- 4:32Speaker 2: It was the song, Hard Knock Life. Hard Knock Life.
- 4:34Speaker 2: I remember the... Was it an Annie sample?
- 4:38Speaker 1: Yeah, Annie sample.
- 4:39Speaker 3: Annie sample.
- 4:39Speaker 2: Of course, I knew of Annie. And I remember hearing
- 4:43Speaker 2: this like, yo, I like this. In El Paso, Texas.
- 4:47Speaker 2: And it's so interesting, because I lived in North Carolina
- 4:49Speaker 2: prior to that, and that was when I was on
- 4:51Speaker 2: the East Coast, West Coast stuff. But I feel like,
- 4:53Speaker 2: because I was in North Carolina... North Carolina was more
- 4:55Speaker 2: heavily influenced by the South than New York.
- 4:58Speaker 1: Okay.
- 4:58Speaker 3: To me, at least with my friends.
- 5:00Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 5:00Speaker 3: So I was much more up on Dungeon Family, Outkast.
- 5:04Speaker 4: Okay.
- 5:04Speaker 2: You know, I remember Cool Breeze.
- 5:09Speaker 1: Yeah, Cool Breeze.
- 5:09Speaker 2: Cool Breeze.
- 5:10Speaker 1: Watch for the hook.
- 5:11Speaker 3: Watch for the hook. But, I mean, New York, you
- 5:13Speaker 3: obviously hear of DMX.
- 5:14Speaker 2: I mean, Biggie and the huge people, but Jay-Z came
- 5:18Speaker 2: on to me in 19, came into my, periphery.
- 5:23Speaker 1: Came on to me was wild.
- 5:24Speaker 3: Man, I just.
- 5:25Speaker 1: Came on to me was wild.
- 5:27Speaker 2: I was hoping you would stall me out, man.
- 5:33Speaker 1: Jay-Z came on to me in 98. And then I
- 5:35Speaker 1: said came into me.
- 5:37Speaker 2: And then I came into my periphery.
- 5:40Speaker 4: If you was on there with Cam and Mase, they
- 5:43Speaker 4: would have hoisted you onto that grill. The whole episode
- 5:49Speaker 4: would have been about what you just said.
- 5:55Speaker 1: He came on to me and came into me. God damn, dog.
- 6:00Speaker 2: Izzy was busy in 1998, man.
- 6:02Speaker 1: The fact that you tried to clean it up, he
- 6:04Speaker 1: came on to me. Wait, no. He came into me.
- 6:07Speaker 2: Oh, oh.
- 6:08Speaker 1: I think that's worse. You made it worse. I'm sorry.
- 6:12Speaker 1: The thing.
- 6:15Speaker 2: Is, Jay-Z was inside of me. Listen, I became aware
- 6:22Speaker 2: of his music, is what I want to say. But yeah, 1998,
- 6:28Speaker 2: Hard Knock Live.
- 6:29Speaker 1: That's his best-selling album, by the way.
- 6:31Speaker 3: Is it?
- 6:32Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 6:33Speaker 1: Really? That's his best-selling album.
- 6:35Speaker 2: Wow, I didn't know that. So yeah, I remember he was...
- 6:38Speaker 2: Because you remember my hip-hop experience, for the most part,
- 6:43Speaker 2: was big radio.
- 6:46Speaker 3: Songs, songs with really memorable... Music videos.
- 6:51Speaker 4: So let me ask you this. You never heard Ain't
- 6:53Speaker 4: No Nigga with him and Foxy?
- 6:55Speaker 2: Ain't No Nigga.
- 6:57Speaker 1: Almost. On the Nugget Professor soundtrack?
- 7:01Speaker 2: You absolutely right.
- 7:02Speaker 1: That was 96.
- 7:04Speaker 3: That is the first song.
- 7:05Speaker 2: Okay.
- 7:06Speaker 1: Ain't No Nigga.
- 7:07Speaker 2: That, with Ain't No Nigga Otherwise, absolutely. I was in
- 7:11Speaker 2: North Carolina then.
- 7:12Speaker 1: They threw that on the Nutty Professor soundtrack, too.
- 7:15Speaker 2: I didn't even, maybe because it was on Nutty Professor,
- 7:17Speaker 2: I didn't associate that as like, but that's 1,000% the
- 7:21Speaker 2: first song.
- 7:22Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 7:23Speaker 2: I totally forgot about that.
- 7:25Speaker 4: No one can you better.
- 7:29Speaker 1: She's surrounding you in love.
- 7:31Speaker 2: Cause you ain't got nothing where the... Man. I don't
- 7:35Speaker 2: know if I knew that was Jay-Z, though.
- 7:37Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense.
- 7:38Speaker 2: Like, I remember just liking that song, but I don't
- 7:41Speaker 2: remember being like, oh, that's Jay-Z.
- 7:43Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 7:44Speaker 2: And in retrospect, I realized it was Jay-Z, but I
- 7:46Speaker 2: remember Hard Knock Life like, this is Jay-Z.
- 7:49Speaker 1: Who is this guy?
- 7:50Speaker 2: Yeah, like, but it's absolutely that song.
- 7:52Speaker 3: Dang.
- 7:53Speaker 1: Okay.
- 7:53Speaker 2: Good call on that, Tom. All right.
- 7:57Speaker 3: Favorites. Favorite Jay-Z song.
- 8:01Speaker 1: Oh, we doing this early.
- 8:02Speaker 2: Yeah, that's second up.
- 8:04Speaker 4: Favorite Jay-Z. My favorite Jay-Z song is Dead Presidents. 1996. Yeah,
- 8:09Speaker 4: that's my favorite Jay-Z song. Got the Nas sample. I
- 8:12Speaker 4: love the beat on that song. And that's what made
- 8:15Speaker 4: me get the album. This song is great.
- 8:19Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 8:19Speaker 4: So that's still my favorite Jay-Z song. That's my favorite
- 8:23Speaker 4: Jay-Z album.
- 8:24Speaker 1: Reasonable Doubt.
- 8:25Speaker 3: That's a lot of people. That's his first album?
- 8:27Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 8:28Speaker 1: A lot of people, they always say the Blueprint are reasonable.
- 8:31Speaker 2: Yeah, those are the one or two. I actually went
- 8:36Speaker 2: back through Jay-Z's catalog and listened to all his albums.
- 8:42Speaker 2: three or four years ago. I was just like, Kev,
- 8:46Speaker 2: go through the album. And I knew way more songs
- 8:49Speaker 2: than I realized.
- 8:50Speaker 3: But I got it.
- 8:51Speaker 2: I was like, oh, dang, this nigga was really, really rapping.
- 8:54Speaker 2: He's very good, and I realize I like this type
- 8:58Speaker 2: of rapper. Jay-Z makes you a passenger in the story
- 9:02Speaker 2: of his life. Specifically when he's rapping, I remember the song,
- 9:06Speaker 2: but y'all know when he's like, the police is like
- 9:10Speaker 2: going to glove compartment.
- 9:11Speaker 1: He was like, Oh, that's a problem.
- 9:14Speaker 3: Yeah. I, I feel like I'm watching.
- 9:16Speaker 1: He took us through there. Oh man.
- 9:17Speaker 3: I'm in there.
- 9:18Speaker 1: He took us through there. He took us through there.
- 9:20Speaker 2: Right. Came on to me, came into me. Now he
- 9:22Speaker 2: took us through there.
- 9:23Speaker 3: All right. We're doing something with Jay-Z that we shouldn't
- 9:25Speaker 3: be doing. He just took us along. Well, I don't even.
- 9:30Speaker 1: Want to say to our backs out.
- 9:31Speaker 3: That don't even make sense.
- 9:32Speaker 1: He blew our backs out.
- 9:36Speaker 2: I was going to say he took us along for
- 9:38Speaker 2: the ride, but this is all so crazy. Blew our
- 9:40Speaker 2: backs out.
- 9:41Speaker 4: He talked us through it. He talked us through it.
- 9:44Speaker 4: But he really did talk us through it.
- 9:46Speaker 2: I can see the police officer in the glove compartment.
- 9:49Speaker 2: And also, I don't know these things. So as far
- 9:52Speaker 2: as like, I don't know if your glove compartment's locked,
- 9:53Speaker 2: you need a warrant, trunk's locked. I don't know any
- 9:56Speaker 2: of these crime things. So I'm like, oh, I didn't
- 9:58Speaker 2: even know. I'm not getting pulled over. over. I don't
- 10:00Speaker 2: even have a car. I don't interact with the police
- 10:03Speaker 2: a lot. So I'm like, I had no idea that
- 10:05Speaker 2: that's how this worked. But I love, like you can
- 10:08Speaker 2: see the stories that he's telling.
- 10:11Speaker 3: Oh, sure.
- 10:11Speaker 2: Okay. My favorite Jay-Z song is Song Cry.
- 10:18Speaker 1: Song Cry is amazing.
- 10:19Speaker 2: Song Cry is yours, man.
- 10:21Speaker 1: That's a great song.
- 10:22Speaker 2: Can't see him coming down my high, so I gotta
- 10:25Speaker 2: make this song cry.
- 10:27Speaker 1: This is human Jay-Z, man. That's what I was saying earlier.
- 10:32Speaker 4: Jay-Z, he was telling stories and street tales, but I
- 10:36Speaker 4: didn't really get a bead on his humanity until the
- 10:40Speaker 4: Blueprint and the Black Album. That's when I was like,
- 10:43Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying? I'm listening to songs December 4th.
- 10:45Speaker 4: I hear his mom in the beginning. talking about him
- 10:48Speaker 4: growing up. So now I'm getting like life, Jay-Z, rather
- 10:52Speaker 4: than the flash and the drug dealing and the pimp
- 10:55Speaker 4: fly shit.
- 10:55Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 10:56Speaker 3: Which is all cool.
- 10:57Speaker 1: Which is great.
- 10:58Speaker 3: But I love it introspective.
- 10:59Speaker 1: But now, you know what I'm saying? Let me know
- 11:01Speaker 1: who you will. Let me know who you will. Yeah,
- 11:04Speaker 1: we big pimping and spending time.
- 11:06Speaker 2: For sure, we spending time.
- 11:07Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I'm saying? But then, you know,
- 11:09Speaker 1: you got feelings.
- 11:10Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 11:11Speaker 4: You never loved a girl, you know what I'm saying?
- 11:13Speaker 2: Take me into your life.
- 11:15Speaker 1: Take us through this.
- 11:16Speaker 3: Yes.
- 11:17Speaker 1: Yeah. So Song Cry is amazing. Song Cry is amazing.
- 11:20Speaker 1: All right.
- 11:21Speaker 3: Best song.
- 11:25Speaker 1: Best song. Yeah.
- 11:26Speaker 2: And here's my problem with this. Man, this is tough, right?
- 11:33Speaker 2: Because Jay-Z's best song to me is going to be
- 11:43Speaker 2: Nostalgia Laden.
- 11:45Speaker 1: Okay.
- 11:45Speaker 3: And it's because of.
- 11:46Speaker 2: It's going to be Big Pimpin', and I'm going to
- 11:48Speaker 2: tell you why. I love Big Pimpin'. I was in
- 11:51Speaker 2: Texas when this song came out. So the UGK factor.
- 11:56Speaker 3: Was up there.
- 11:57Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 11:58Speaker 2: The music video at that time of my life, I
- 12:01Speaker 2: love everything. But Jay-Z's verse, Pimp C, and Bun B,
- 12:09Speaker 2: that is a perfect song.
- 12:12Speaker 1: It wasn't no fat on the bone.
- 12:14Speaker 2: Man.
- 12:14Speaker 1: No weak links.
- 12:15Speaker 3: It was.
- 12:17Speaker 4: Pimp C was just like, I heard Pimp C was
- 12:20Speaker 4: notoriously difficult.
- 12:22Speaker 2: I heard that, which adds to the lore for me.
- 12:24Speaker 1: He's just like, I ain't about to do a long-ass verse.
- 12:27Speaker 4: I'm wearing a hot-ass coat in Miami.
- 12:30Speaker 1: Y'all going to get this short verse, and y'all going
- 12:33Speaker 1: to shut the hell up. Man.
- 12:37Speaker 3: It's great.
- 12:38Speaker 2: I'm throwing up, keep a liter in my cup.
- 12:43Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 12:44Speaker 2: All my car got leather and wood. And then Kendrick
- 12:47Speaker 2: Lamar sampled that leather wood for a song on Section 80. Oh, shit.
- 12:52Speaker 2: Feels like a Section 80. Oh, yeah.
- 12:53Speaker 3: I love Bun B's verse.
- 12:55Speaker 1: Bun B? I'm listening to his verse. All the time.
- 13:01Speaker 2: Don't read a book, you illiterate son of a bitch.
- 13:03Speaker 1: Step up your vocab.
- 13:04Speaker 2: What a great thing to say.
- 13:07Speaker 1: Don't read a book, you illiterate son of a bitch.
- 13:09Speaker 1: Step up your vocab.
- 13:11Speaker 2: Outside of that rap song, I be wanting to tell
- 13:14Speaker 2: people that on the internet.
- 13:15Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 13:16Speaker 3: Because it's just a great.
- 13:19Speaker 2: It's great insult.
- 13:20Speaker 1: My bad. It's my scenario.
- 13:22Speaker 2: Oh, I can't trust a scary hoe.
- 13:24Speaker 1: Bun B was cooking.
- 13:26Speaker 2: They were all.
- 13:27Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 13:28Speaker 3: And I remember like this was just, we would hang
- 13:30Speaker 3: out after school.
- 13:31Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 13:32Speaker 3: You would just, people would just open the trunk of
- 13:34Speaker 3: their car. A little misogyny.
- 13:35Speaker 2: Oh, for sure. A lot of misogyny.
- 13:44Speaker 4: The video was crazy. I wanted to be there. I
- 13:47Speaker 4: wanted to be in the big pimping video somewhere. I
- 13:51Speaker 4: wanted to be doing this. Every beat piece. I wanted
- 13:59Speaker 4: to be out there sweaty.
- 14:01Speaker 1: Women in the carnival. I wanted to be behind the
- 14:07Speaker 1: peacock feathers.
- 14:08Speaker 3: Man.
- 14:11Speaker 1: Take me through this.
- 14:13Speaker 2: Why are you doing that dance?
- 14:15Speaker 1: It's so funny.
- 14:18Speaker 2: Hey, what's Tony Baker doing, y'all? He wanted to be here, y'all. See,
- 14:22Speaker 2: he was a good guy. He got the dance down. Oh,
- 14:28Speaker 2: it's a good time. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm going with that.
- 14:32Speaker 1: Big Pimpin'. Man, his best song.
- 14:35Speaker 3: He got a lot of songs. So, I mean, there's
- 14:37Speaker 3: no wrong answer when you talk about yourself.
- 14:39Speaker 2: I'm going to go Soundcraft.
- 14:41Speaker 3: Okay.
- 14:41Speaker 4: I might have to go Song Cry. It just has
- 14:44Speaker 4: all the elements. The production is fantastic. It's emotional. The
- 14:49Speaker 4: lyricism is top tier. He's taking you somewhere. I like
- 14:55Speaker 4: songs like that. So I'm going to go with Song
- 14:56Speaker 4: Cry because that's a flawless song.
- 14:59Speaker 1: Yeah. But he has a lot that I can choose from.
- 15:02Speaker 3: There's no wrong answer. It's your life.
- 15:06Speaker 2: You can choose your own adventure. And you pick what
- 15:10Speaker 2: you want with Jay-Z. This is what we pick with
- 15:12Speaker 2: Jameson Zia.
- 15:13Speaker 3: All right.
- 15:14Speaker 2: Best album, Tone.
- 15:18Speaker 1: I go back and forth.
- 15:19Speaker 4: So he has three bonafide classics.
- 15:24Speaker 3: List them out for those of us who.
- 15:26Speaker 1: Reasonable Doubt, Blueprint, Black Album.
- 15:30Speaker 3: Everybody says those three.
- 15:32Speaker 1: This is how good the Black Album was.
- 15:34Speaker 4: During the Jay-Z Nas beef, If y'all don't know, Nas
- 15:37Speaker 4: is my favorite rapper of all time.
- 15:40Speaker 1: I chose Sides.
- 15:42Speaker 3: You chose Jay-Z?
- 15:43Speaker 1: I chose Sides. And I chose Nas.
- 15:46Speaker 3: Oh, okay. Oh, but you still respected.
- 15:49Speaker 4: So, you know, I was just like, yeah, man. I
- 15:52Speaker 4: just chose Nas. When the Black Album came out.
- 15:56Speaker 2: I think a lot of people chose Nas.
- 15:57Speaker 3: I think it's pretty.
- 15:58Speaker 1: Initially....
- 16:00Speaker 4: They were like, yeah, he won with Ether, but it
- 16:02Speaker 4: was still like Jay-Z was the more popular of the two.
- 16:05Speaker 3: Oh, okay.
- 16:05Speaker 4: So it was like, now we got this revisionist vibe
- 16:08Speaker 4: with Jay-Z. Now people acting like they don't fuck with Jay-Z.
- 16:11Speaker 4: So now they ultra Nas now. But back then in
- 16:14Speaker 4: real time.
- 16:14Speaker 1: For sure.
- 16:15Speaker 3: That's very true.
- 16:16Speaker 1: It was different.
- 16:17Speaker 3: It's the capitalism stuff.
- 16:19Speaker 1: All that stuff.
- 16:19Speaker 4: So now they're trying to be like, Jay-Z could never
- 16:21Speaker 4: shut the hell up. He was only listening to Jay-Z
- 16:23Speaker 4: in New York.
- 16:24Speaker 1: Shut the hell up.
- 16:24Speaker 4: Although that's just not true. So- I was super pro Nas.
- 16:32Speaker 4: The Black Album was so good, though. And this came
- 16:35Speaker 4: out in prime beef.
- 16:36Speaker 3: Prime beef.
- 16:38Speaker 4: I was still rotating the shit out of the Black Album.
- 16:41Speaker 4: I was like, man, this album's incredible.
- 16:43Speaker 2: But you know what, though? This point has been made
- 16:45Speaker 2: a lot during the Kendrick and Drake beef. During the
- 16:49Speaker 2: Jay-Z and Nas thing, it was the consensus song for song.
- 16:54Speaker 2: Nas won with that. But there wasn't this like, The
- 17:00Speaker 2: way Kendrick and even Drake and Meek Mill. It was
- 17:05Speaker 2: very clear that Drake won the Meek Mill thing.
- 17:08Speaker 1: For sure.
- 17:08Speaker 2: But we wasn't like, now Meek Mill, dreams and nightmares,
- 17:11Speaker 2: one part of the nigga we.
- 17:13Speaker 3: It was like, and I feel like Meek Mill got obliterated.
- 17:16Speaker 4: He got kicked down the steps. Hands full of groceries.
- 17:20Speaker 2: It was the first time I remember a beef Drake
- 17:23Speaker 2: used versus bars, even charged up, to me, doesn't get
- 17:28Speaker 2: as much respect as a great diss song.
- 17:30Speaker 1: I like Drake.
- 17:32Speaker 2: Charged up.
- 17:33Speaker 1: Right.
- 17:33Speaker 2: But then Back to Back was just like... Back to
- 17:35Speaker 2: Back was... And then you... Meek Mill was the first
- 17:39Speaker 2: rapper I remember to also be beat by the internet.
- 17:42Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 17:42Speaker 2: Because Drake, he... This is your tour, your girls' tour,
- 17:47Speaker 2: your world tour, your girls' tour.
- 17:48Speaker 1: Yeah. And it was.
- 17:49Speaker 3: Meek was also getting mean.
- 17:51Speaker 2: Yeah. And Meek, he had an okay response, but the
- 17:54Speaker 2: tide was turned.
- 17:56Speaker 1: It just wasn't.
- 17:57Speaker 2: So, I mean, you know what I'm saying?
- 17:59Speaker 1: I don't even remember. But.
- 18:02Speaker 2: When Jay-Z and Nas were going back, it was like
- 18:03Speaker 2: Nas won, but it wasn't like now we only Nas,
- 18:07Speaker 2: Jay-Z trashed the way Kendrick and Drake is like.
- 18:09Speaker 4: I was still buying both of their albums. I didn't
- 18:13Speaker 4: even stop. It was just like, oh, Black Album's out?
- 18:16Speaker 1: Purchase.
- 18:17Speaker 3: Filmatic?
- 18:18Speaker 1: Purchase. Purchase.
- 18:20Speaker 3: People was doing that. So yeah, go ahead.
- 18:26Speaker 1: Wait, what was.
- 18:28Speaker 4: Oh, so the Black Album.
- 18:31Speaker 1: I'm still going... Reasonable.
- 18:33Speaker 4: Doubt is still my favorite Jay-Z album. The Black album
- 18:38Speaker 4: is a close second. Blueprint is a close third. They're
- 18:41Speaker 4: all super close. But those three right there, all three
- 18:44Speaker 4: of them are classics. I got to pick one. Reasonable
- 18:47Speaker 4: Doubt is my favorite.
- 18:48Speaker 1: All right, y'all.
- 18:49Speaker 3: Feel how you feel? Feel how you feel.
- 18:51Speaker 1: 444.
- 18:54Speaker 4: That's your favorite Jay-Z album of all time.
- 18:57Speaker 2: Yes.
- 18:58Speaker 4: Now....
- 19:00Speaker 2: The first Jay-Z album I listened to in full wasn't
- 19:04Speaker 2: even a Jay-Z album solo.
- 19:07Speaker 3: It was the Watch the Throne album, which is.
- 19:09Speaker 2: A brilliant collaboratory piece of art. Watch the Throne is
- 19:17Speaker 2: a great album. I still run... Watch the Throne, some
- 19:21Speaker 2: of my favorite.
- 19:22Speaker 3: Kanye and Jay-Z was on.
- 19:25Speaker 1: Yeah. Niggas in Paris was almost my pick for best song.
- 19:28Speaker 3: I wouldn't argue with you. Niggas in Paris was seismic.
- 19:32Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember Jay, my brother Jason, he went to
- 19:36Speaker 2: the Tacoma Dome when Jay-Z and Kanye performed Watch the
- 19:39Speaker 2: Throne Tour at Tacoma Dome. Tickets were $ 80. I was like, man,
- 19:44Speaker 2: how you got that? You got $ 80? But Tacoma Dome
- 19:50Speaker 2: was seven minutes from my home. That ticket might as
- 19:53Speaker 2: well have been.
- 19:53Speaker 1: $ 3, 000. $ 80 is tough. I was like, man, you got $ 80?
- 19:57Speaker 3: He was like, yeah, I can.
- 19:59Speaker 1: Living the dream.
- 20:00Speaker 3: I was in there with trash bags.
- 20:02Speaker 4: Why I got you pictures outside the cardboard box.
- 20:07Speaker 1: Man, you got $ 80.
- 20:08Speaker 3: $ 80.
- 20:09Speaker 2: Man, Jay, I had fun, man. You at the Tacoma Dome,
- 20:14Speaker 2: you got money.
- 20:14Speaker 1: Bring back some fun for me, huh? Tell Jay-Z I
- 20:18Speaker 1: said God bless. You covered up with the box.
- 20:22Speaker 2: Hey, kids, your rat tail and gruel stew is ready, y'all.
- 20:26Speaker 2: Your Uncle Jay is going to see Jay-Z and Kanye
- 20:30Speaker 2: at the Tacoma Dome for $ 80. You had popcorn, too?
- 20:35Speaker 3: Wow, man. This nigga went to Willy Wonka's house. As
- 20:39Speaker 3: far as I'm concerned.
- 20:40Speaker 2: Mr.
- 20:40Speaker 1: Sergio Bowl of Rat Soup. He was like, thank you, honey. $ 80. $ 80.
- 20:55Speaker 3: My brother was like, you ain't got it? I was like, no, man.
- 20:59Speaker 2: So when I talked to that man the next time,
- 21:01Speaker 2: he was like, yeah. They played niggas in Paris 14
- 21:06Speaker 2: times in a row. Yeah, I heard they were playing
- 21:08Speaker 2: that back. He was like, Kev, it was the best.
- 21:11Speaker 2: I was like, all the way through, huh? He said,
- 21:15Speaker 2: sometimes they didn't. They just started over.
- 21:17Speaker 1: Balls on.
- 21:18Speaker 3: I was like, wow.
- 21:20Speaker 2: Keep that fire going, children. I got to work at
- 21:23Speaker 2: the mill in the morning. I make steel with my
- 21:27Speaker 2: bare hands.
- 21:27Speaker 1: That's really amazing.
- 21:30Speaker 3: Whatever happened to predictability?
- 21:33Speaker 1: Why is this a silent financial struggle?
- 21:36Speaker 3: Man, that sounds amazing, Jay.
- 21:39Speaker 1: I'm going to go back here. My boss, Ebenezer Scrooge,
- 21:42Speaker 1: wants me to come in early. Thank you for sharing.
- 21:49Speaker 2: But it was mythical to play a song 14. And
- 21:54Speaker 2: every city, I remember on social media, people were like, oh,
- 21:56Speaker 2: they did it 12 times in this city. And Jay
- 21:59Speaker 2: was like, man, they did it 14 times.
- 22:01Speaker 1: That's crazy.
- 22:01Speaker 2: And I was just like, yeah. All right, I guess
- 22:07Speaker 2: I'll take this mule on down to town. I'm getting
- 22:10Speaker 2: some milk for the boy. You know, JoJo has polio.
- 22:15Speaker 2: So anyway, but 440, so that was the first. album
- 22:20Speaker 2: that I listened to in full, before I went back
- 22:24Speaker 2: to his discography.
- 22:25Speaker 3: So I don't resonate, I don't have that thing.
- 22:28Speaker 1: You don't have no extras attached to the other albums.
- 22:30Speaker 3: I just burn through them. I'm like, this is good,
- 22:32Speaker 3: this is good, these are good.
- 22:33Speaker 2: But 444 was like, I knew this stuff. It's like,
- 22:38Speaker 2: to me, a companion piece to Lemonade. It was like,
- 22:40Speaker 2: Beyonce came out with Lemonade and was like, nigga, I
- 22:43Speaker 2: wish you would. And that was a work of art.
- 22:46Speaker 2: And 444 was a whole, I am sorry... My bad.
- 22:50Speaker 2: My bad.
- 22:51Speaker 1: My bad.
- 22:52Speaker 2: For everything.
- 22:54Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 22:54Speaker 3: The miscarriages, the cheating. I was tripping.
- 22:59Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 23:00Speaker 2: In rap. And I like that, you know, Jay-Z... especially
- 23:05Speaker 2: listening to his early stuff all the way through that.
- 23:08Speaker 2: I like that his subject matter, when you listen to
- 23:10Speaker 2: all his albums, after a point, he don't talk about
- 23:13Speaker 2: selling drugs as much. The further away he gets from that,
- 23:19Speaker 2: now you're talking about buying properties, mistakes he's made as
- 23:22Speaker 2: a man. This is what I like about your artistry.
- 23:26Speaker 2: I like when it reflects your life.
- 23:27Speaker 1: For sure, and that's the evolution.
- 23:30Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't have a lot of.
- 23:32Speaker 3: How many rappers can you think.
- 23:34Speaker 2: that can go from the Reasonable Doubt to Watch the
- 23:41Speaker 2: Throne to 444 and have different concepts and subject matter.
- 23:47Speaker 2: There's less and less. One of the things, and I
- 23:49Speaker 2: don't listen to enough Drake albums to argue this, but
- 23:54Speaker 2: one of the things even fans of his complain about
- 23:56Speaker 2: is like, yo, the subject matter is the same. Over
- 23:59Speaker 2: and over and over, you rapping about the same things. Like,
- 24:02Speaker 2: And some of his fans will be like, no, it's different.
- 24:04Speaker 2: But by and large, one of his.
- 24:06Speaker 1: It's too hard to decipher the differences, though.
- 24:09Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 24:09Speaker 4: Like, when I listen to Drake, it be sounding like
- 24:12Speaker 4: one track a lot of times. I'm talking about New Drake, Iceman,
- 24:17Speaker 4: the Habibi album. I was letting everything play out.
- 24:21Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 24:21Speaker 4: And I was just finding myself like, a lot of
- 24:25Speaker 4: the songs just blended together into one. I was just like,
- 24:28Speaker 4: nothing really snatched me up by the collar.
- 24:31Speaker 2: You had three albums in a day or a week.
- 24:34Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm just like, this is a lot of material.
- 24:37Speaker 4: Nothing's really sounding that much different. There were moments of
- 24:41Speaker 4: just like, oh, shit.
- 24:44Speaker 1: Overall, it was just like, Mm-hmm. You got monotonous.
- 24:48Speaker 3: I agree.
- 24:49Speaker 1: And so, you know, you lose points for that.
- 24:51Speaker 2: Kendrick Lamar, and obviously I don't listen to a whole
- 24:54Speaker 2: bunch of rap, but hardly any rappers get seven, eight,
- 24:56Speaker 2: nine albums that you're actually listening to.
- 24:59Speaker 1: Right.
- 24:59Speaker 3: That you enjoy.
- 25:00Speaker 2: Kanye's done it, but, you know, he's one of the
- 25:02Speaker 2: ones that I would argue do it, but I don't
- 25:04Speaker 2: think he's had a coherent, reflective.
- 25:06Speaker 1: I faded out on Kanye after Pablo. Yeah, I'm out. Like,
- 25:09Speaker 1: I'll pull up and be like, all right, man, you
- 25:11Speaker 1: know what I'm saying? I can't even do... Pablo, but
- 25:13Speaker 1: that's still from.
- 25:15Speaker 4: College dropout to Pablo, that's a good run.
- 25:19Speaker 3: For sure.
- 25:19Speaker 2: A lot of rappers, man. They ain't even done that.
- 25:22Speaker 1: Getting two albums, I'm listening too hard.
- 25:25Speaker 3: Absolutely. And Kanye has six for me.
- 25:32Speaker 1: Kanye got- First three. First three for sure. Yeah. 808s,
- 25:36Speaker 1: I'm going to give 808s his props.
- 25:38Speaker 3: Yeah, I skip a few, but I'll still listen to them.
- 25:41Speaker 1: I listen to Heartbreak. I sing that all the time. Perfect.
- 25:45Speaker 2: In the night.
- 25:46Speaker 1: That's one of my favorites, too. My dark, twisted fantasy.
- 25:49Speaker 3: All the way through.
- 25:50Speaker 1: And then.
- 25:51Speaker 2: I don't listen to Yeezus.
- 25:53Speaker 3: No, no, me neither. I respect it, but.
- 25:55Speaker 1: Fuck that album.
- 25:56Speaker 2: That's six albums that I listen to the majority of.
- 26:00Speaker 2: As a career, you can fart around for 12 albums. Yeah.
- 26:05Speaker 3: You've done six albums that I respect.
- 26:07Speaker 5: Yeah.
- 26:07Speaker 3: All right, boom, here we go.
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- 27:11Speaker 3: And now back to the show. You said your best?
- 27:16Speaker 1: Yes.
- 27:16Speaker 3: Okay, your least favorite album.
- 27:18Speaker 1: Least favorite?
- 27:18Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 27:19Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 27:21Speaker 4: It would be between Magna Carter and.
- 27:29Speaker 1: We're not including his collab albums.
- 27:33Speaker 3: I'd say Solo.
- 27:35Speaker 1: Solo, okay.
- 27:35Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 27:36Speaker 1: Was it Best of Both Worlds?
- 27:38Speaker 4: Huh?
- 27:38Speaker 3: Were you going to say Best of Both Worlds?
- 27:41Speaker 1: Oh, hell yeah. Yeah.
- 27:42Speaker 3: Is it because then or the revision?
- 27:45Speaker 4: Even then, I was just like, When the first one
- 27:48Speaker 4: came out, I was like, I remember liking the first song.
- 27:50Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
- 27:51Speaker 1: And I was just like, all right, man, skip, skip. Yeah. Skip, skip, skip.
- 27:54Speaker 1: And the second one, I was just like, man, get
- 27:55Speaker 1: this shit out of here.
- 27:57Speaker 3: Yeah, let's stick with solo. For me, it's Magna Carta,
- 28:01Speaker 3: Holy Grail.
- 28:02Speaker 2: I'm thinking it's going to be Magna Carta. I was
- 28:05Speaker 2: not feeling that, man. I would skip.
- 28:07Speaker 4: Around that mug like a goddamn little girl on the
- 28:10Speaker 4: playground and skips.
- 28:14Speaker 1: Skips.
- 28:14Speaker 3: Man, I just was like, man.
- 28:16Speaker 1: Kingdom Come got some skips, too.
- 28:18Speaker 3: That's the one a lot of people mentioned as well.
- 28:20Speaker 1: Big skips on this as well.
- 28:22Speaker 4: But I would say I like the songs that I
- 28:25Speaker 4: really like on Kingdom Come outweigh what I like on
- 28:29Speaker 4: Magna Carta.
- 28:30Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
- 28:32Speaker 1: So, yeah, I would go Magna Carta.
- 28:33Speaker 3: Okay, boom. Favorite music video.
- 28:43Speaker 1: You got some good ones. Big Pimpin' is legendary, as
- 28:45Speaker 1: we discussed. I might have to go... You.
- 28:55Speaker 4: Know what my favorite Jay-Z video is?
- 29:01Speaker 3: It's actually.
- 29:08Speaker 1: The Life of OJ.
- 29:11Speaker 2: Oh!
- 29:12Speaker 3: Okay.
- 29:13Speaker 4: Even though he not in it, it was just the concept,
- 29:16Speaker 4: the style, the subject matter, the visuals.
- 29:19Speaker 1: I was like, yo, this is genius.
- 29:22Speaker 3: I love it. That might be my.
- 29:24Speaker 1: Favorite Jay-Z video. I know it's late in the game.
- 29:26Speaker 2: It is. And I think that wasn't expected either.
- 29:30Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 29:31Speaker 2: Like from that song, nor that music video being animated.
- 29:36Speaker 1: I watched that over and over again.
- 29:38Speaker 3: It's super dope.
- 29:39Speaker 2: And it's still, referenced a lot today mine is Big
- 29:43Speaker 2: Pimpin I was full on puberty I was in 10th
- 29:47Speaker 2: grade and I was like man that Ajax is.
- 29:51Speaker 1: Mine that Hyde Williams was in his bag on that.
- 29:54Speaker 4: One Hyde Williams man Hyde Williams was in his bag.
- 29:58Speaker 2: I do really miss and I know we'll never get
- 30:01Speaker 2: back to it, music video budgets at that time just,
- 30:06Speaker 2: they was doing millions, because that was the marketing. A
- 30:10Speaker 2: great music video made us be like, I will now
- 30:13Speaker 2: go and spend $ 15.
- 30:16Speaker 3: A great song on the radio, music video, Sam Goody. $ 15, FYI.
- 30:22Speaker 1: Man, let me go, you can preview. Yeah. Them shits
- 30:28Speaker 1: was movies, man. Man, they was making many movies.
- 30:33Speaker 2: You could have a career as a video vixen.
- 30:36Speaker 1: For sure.
- 30:36Speaker 3: You could get paid.
- 30:38Speaker 2: Good. It was a big... Tyrese, even in Keisha Cole,
- 30:43Speaker 2: which is in the 2000s, early 2000s, got Tyrese in there.
- 30:47Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 30:48Speaker 2: While he's making movies, and he's also an artist of
- 30:50Speaker 2: his own accord. Right, right. It's like, yeah, Tyrese is
- 30:53Speaker 2: the boyfriend in this. Gary Dordan is in there with
- 30:57Speaker 2: Janet Jackson. When Gary Dordan is still working.
- 31:01Speaker 3: And I was like, dang.
- 31:02Speaker 4: There's bad actors in music videos. I remember Derek Luke
- 31:05Speaker 4: in their Monica videos. There was a bunch of male
- 31:08Speaker 4: actors in that En Vogue video.
- 31:10Speaker 1: Give them some. They were sitting in the audience.
- 31:13Speaker 2: In here.
- 31:13Speaker 1: Because it was a good look.
- 31:15Speaker 2: Eminem had some of my... His early career, his music
- 31:18Speaker 2: videos were so.
- 31:19Speaker 3: different. Hi, my name is... I was like, yo, this is...
- 31:24Speaker 3: What the hell is this?
- 31:24Speaker 1: What the hell is this?
- 31:26Speaker 2: I recorded that music video because I was like, man,
- 31:29Speaker 2: I want to study.
- 31:30Speaker 3: I ain't never seen nothing like this.
- 31:32Speaker 1: Yeah. And then Busta and Missy, their video.
- 31:34Speaker 3: I mean, these things are just like.
- 31:36Speaker 1: That was just insane.
- 31:37Speaker 2: Busta and Janet Jackson was like, yo, how are y'all
- 31:41Speaker 2: even doing?
- 31:41Speaker 3: How are you even doing this, man?
- 31:44Speaker 1: This is crazy.
- 31:45Speaker 2: T-1000. Yeah.
- 31:46Speaker 3: And Janet Jackson was. Come on, man. God. Come on.
- 31:49Speaker 3: Bless America. Come on. I was like, dang.
- 31:53Speaker 2: Janet Jackson.
- 31:54Speaker 3: Is sexy.
- 31:56Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely. She, one of my favorite, person I'm the
- 32:01Speaker 2: most jealous of, Janet Jackson used to strap them men
- 32:04Speaker 2: in her concert.
- 32:05Speaker 3: Man, watch out.
- 32:07Speaker 4: They was losing they mind in that strap. They was like,
- 32:11Speaker 4: they was having convulsions. 12,000 people strapped me up.
- 32:17Speaker 3: Man, she was taking it there.
- 32:21Speaker 4: I would have been like, we don't need to be
- 32:22Speaker 4: doing this. Before she even got on top of me,
- 32:28Speaker 4: I was like, we don't need to be doing this.
- 32:31Speaker 1: Take me out. Unstrap me. I'm done.
- 32:34Speaker 3: You know what? Somebody said she needs her flowers.
- 32:36Speaker 2: Does she?
- 32:37Speaker 3: I don't think she needs her flowers.
- 32:40Speaker 2: I think she needs her deep dive.
- 32:44Speaker 1: She needs a deep dive.
- 32:45Speaker 3: We should do her next week.
- 32:47Speaker 1: Janet next week on the deep dive.
- 32:49Speaker 2: Janet deep dive would be good because as big as
- 32:52Speaker 2: Janet is, I still think people don't appreciate Janet Jackson.
- 32:57Speaker 1: She don't get her prize because of who her brother is.
- 33:00Speaker 2: If she was Janet.
- 33:01Speaker 1: Montgomery, if she was Janet Turnbuckle, We've been talking about
- 33:10Speaker 1: her all the time.
- 33:14Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. She's in the show.
- 33:17Speaker 4: That's the only reason she'll get talked about more than
- 33:21Speaker 4: she should.
- 33:22Speaker 2: Janet Turnbuckle is probably talked about as one of the
- 33:26Speaker 2: greatest female artists. Janet Jackson is not talking about where
- 33:30Speaker 2: she belongs as one of the greatest female artists of
- 33:33Speaker 2: all time.
- 33:33Speaker 1: Agreed.
- 33:35Speaker 2: Some people have argued she's much closer to Michael Jackson
- 33:39Speaker 2: than she gets credit for.
- 33:40Speaker 1: She is.
- 33:40Speaker 2: But what happens is what edges him above her for
- 33:45Speaker 2: a lot of people, his highest high album sales wise
- 33:48Speaker 2: and his Jackson 5. So he was famous for longer.
- 33:53Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 33:53Speaker 2: But Prime, Prime, Janet A. Great albums, differently themed album.
- 34:04Speaker 2: Velvet Rope and Rhythm Nation.
- 34:09Speaker 3: These are not even.
- 34:10Speaker 4: If you look at Control, Rhythm Nation, Janet and Velvet Rope.
- 34:18Speaker 1: These are four different pieces of art. They are vastly different.
- 34:21Speaker 1: Four different pieces of art. And they were all fire.
- 34:24Speaker 2: And she went from military clothes to soft and smooth, sexy, sensual.
- 34:30Speaker 3: R & B.
- 34:31Speaker 4: Her transition was so organically beautiful.
- 34:36Speaker 1: It was like control. She was like, hey, I'm doing
- 34:39Speaker 1: my own thing.
- 34:40Speaker 3: I'm showing up.
- 34:42Speaker 4: I'm a young woman. I'm trying to, you know what
- 34:44Speaker 4: I'm saying? She dancing in Pleasure Principle. And then... You
- 34:48Speaker 4: know what, man, we gotta talk about what's going on
- 34:50Speaker 4: in the world. There's a lot going on out here.
- 34:53Speaker 3: But also, love, love, escapade.
- 34:55Speaker 4: Love will never do without you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
- 34:57Speaker 4: know what I'm saying? But also, Rhythm Nation, we gotta
- 35:00Speaker 4: make some changes out here. And then, she was a
- 35:03Speaker 4: grown woman with Janet.
- 35:05Speaker 2: And she was everything she thought she was.
- 35:08Speaker 1: At any time, any place. Man.
- 35:10Speaker 2: Man, come on, man.
- 35:11Speaker 1: What the hell going on?
- 35:14Speaker 4: It wasn't like, and it never felt jarring. Like, when
- 35:18Speaker 4: Mariah Carey turned sexy, I was like.
- 35:22Speaker 1: It was little.
- 35:22Speaker 3: It was jarred.
- 35:23Speaker 2: We slammed on the brakes.
- 35:24Speaker 1: I was like, hold on, Mariah. Put a shirt on.
- 35:27Speaker 3: We slammed on the brakes.
- 35:28Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 35:29Speaker 3: We slammed on the brakes. It should also be a
- 35:31Speaker 3: great deep dive.
- 35:32Speaker 1: Oh, hell yeah.
- 35:32Speaker 3: Because her... Yeah. Hey, man.
- 35:35Speaker 1: Hey.
- 35:36Speaker 3: Her discography and her.
- 35:38Speaker 2: She's other.
- 35:39Speaker 3: She might be the last diva.
- 35:42Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 35:43Speaker 3: I think she's the last of the divas.
- 35:46Speaker 1: And she's still got the most number one hits of
- 35:48Speaker 1: any artist.
- 35:49Speaker 3: And you know what?
- 35:50Speaker 2: It's just about time for her to start cashing TF out.
- 35:54Speaker 2: Soon as Halloween is over, we about to turn that
- 36:00Speaker 2: Two months of straight. She wrote a new Christmas song.
- 36:05Speaker 1: Every year.
- 36:05Speaker 2: Ain't nobody topped that Christmas song since that Christmas song.
- 36:08Speaker 1: That's eternal, man.
- 36:09Speaker 3: Eternal. Even Melissa went and saw her in the Hollywood Bowl.
- 36:11Speaker 3: We were freezing.
- 36:12Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 36:13Speaker 2: Perfect. And it was just Christmassy stuff. Yeah.
- 36:17Speaker 1: Beast.
- 36:18Speaker 2: Janet, then Mariah. Okay.
- 36:20Speaker 1: Don't promise me a good time. All right.
- 36:26Speaker 3: Favorite feature.
- 36:30Speaker 1: Oh, I know mine.
- 36:32Speaker 3: Favorite feature. This is them on somebody else's album.
- 36:34Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 36:35Speaker 3: Okay, go ahead.
- 36:36Speaker 1: Go ahead. Mine is actually, it's on Frontin' by Pharrell.
- 36:41Speaker 2: Oh, yeah.
- 36:42Speaker 1: I love Jay-Z's verse on there. It was just perfect.
- 36:45Speaker 3: I was just frontin'. Yeah.
- 36:46Speaker 1: You know I love it, girl. Jay-Z's feature on there
- 36:50Speaker 1: was perfect.
- 36:51Speaker 2: I don't disagree.
- 36:52Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a great feature.
- 36:55Speaker 3: That's a good, that's good.
- 36:57Speaker 2: I'ma go Diamonds. Okay. From Sierra Leone. I just really like.
- 37:03Speaker 3: I'm not a businessman.
- 37:05Speaker 1: I'm a businessman. Yeah. He said that on that song?
- 37:09Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 37:09Speaker 1: Okay.
- 37:10Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure. I could be wrong. If he is,
- 37:14Speaker 2: I don't care. It was a good feature nonetheless. It
- 37:16Speaker 2: was a good feature. You know, they're not going to
- 37:20Speaker 2: get back together and it's alright.
- 37:21Speaker 3: I understand.
- 37:22Speaker 1: Alright.
- 37:23Speaker 2: Most underrated song. Now, let me jump in here. And
- 37:30Speaker 2: I ain't even going to tell you that I know
- 37:31Speaker 2: what song it was. But me and Melissa was watching
- 37:34Speaker 2: Jay-Z and Infinity. You'll probably know what song it is.
- 37:37Speaker 2: This is underrated for me because I don't know this song.
- 37:39Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 37:39Speaker 3: And I don't hear people talking about it nearly as
- 37:41Speaker 3: much as they should based on what it was.
- 37:43Speaker 2: Him and Beanie Siegel was talking about their dads.
- 37:46Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
- 37:47Speaker 2: Tone.
- 37:47Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 37:48Speaker 3: Me and Melissa, neither of us had... I said... First
- 37:51Speaker 3: of all, Beanie Siegel's verse.
- 37:53Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 37:54Speaker 1: I said.
- 37:55Speaker 2: That song is... I was kind of mad that I
- 37:57Speaker 2: grew up the way I did. Because as a person
- 38:01Speaker 2: who didn't have their dad, like I didn't, you know,
- 38:03Speaker 2: Beanie had to raise his brother News and all that stuff.
- 38:07Speaker 2: But man, when they was rapping, I said, yo, this is,
- 38:12Speaker 2: I like what they.
- 38:13Speaker 3: Talking about here.
- 38:15Speaker 2: And I never heard nobody talk about that song in
- 38:19Speaker 2: my life.
- 38:19Speaker 1: You talking about where have you been?
- 38:22Speaker 3: Is that it?
- 38:23Speaker 1: Yeah. You talking about where have you been? It's like this.
- 38:27Speaker 1: Hold on.
- 38:32Speaker 3: Yep.
- 38:32Speaker 4: This is on the Dynasty album.
- 38:35Speaker 3: That's it.
- 38:37Speaker 2: So now because Jay-Z was talking about it and I
- 38:40Speaker 2: heard Bean's verse, I was like, first of all, I
- 38:43Speaker 2: need to dig into Beanie Sigel.
- 38:45Speaker 1: Beanie Sigel's dope, man.
- 38:47Speaker 2: I don't want to say he was wrapping circles around Jay,
- 38:51Speaker 2: But I enjoyed that verse.
- 38:53Speaker 4: Beanie Sigel's gift is he can take you there in
- 38:59Speaker 4: terms of what he's talking about. There's an urgency and
- 39:03Speaker 4: a seriousness to what Beanie is talking about.
- 39:05Speaker 3: Grittiness and urgency.
- 39:07Speaker 1: It's very gritty. It's like he's holding you like this.
- 39:12Speaker 3: The bottom.
- 39:13Speaker 1: He'll hit you. He'll hit those beads.
- 39:15Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 39:16Speaker 4: It's like Benny Siegel grabbed both arms and just talking
- 39:19Speaker 4: to you and just standing there.
- 39:21Speaker 1: All right, man. No, no, you don't got it.
- 39:23Speaker 4: No, man. The sink to the bottom. He can take
- 39:27Speaker 4: it there. You can feel the anger and the grit
- 39:32Speaker 4: of Beanie Sigel.
- 39:34Speaker 1: Oh, okay.
- 39:34Speaker 2: That's good. That was two different lines.
- 39:36Speaker 1: Wait, what was it? What category was that?
- 39:38Speaker 3: That was favorite feature.
- 39:39Speaker 1: Oh, that was feature. Okay.
- 39:40Speaker 3: Favorite feature. Okay, boom. Now we going into... Wait, no,
- 39:48Speaker 3: that wasn't a feature.
- 39:48Speaker 2: No. Underrated song. Underrated song.
- 39:51Speaker 1: Let me get my underrated. My bad.
- 39:52Speaker 3: I skipped all over you. I talked to them. We
- 39:54Speaker 3: was done with that.
- 39:55Speaker 1: Imaginary Players.
- 39:57Speaker 3: What's that?
- 39:58Speaker 1: It's on his second album. I love that song.
- 40:01Speaker 4: Cardi B recently did a rap verse to that beat.
- 40:05Speaker 3: And people didn't like it.
- 40:06Speaker 1: It wasn't. It wasn't.
- 40:07Speaker 3: And do you think that's because of the....
- 40:11Speaker 1: I can't even tell you.
- 40:12Speaker 4: But I do know when I listen to it, I
- 40:14Speaker 4: cut it off and put the Jay-Z song on.
- 40:17Speaker 1: Imaginary players is easily one of my favorite jay-z songs
- 40:21Speaker 1: i feel like i.
- 40:22Speaker 4: Feel like that's an underrated gem because like when you
- 40:24Speaker 4: bring it up people are like oh yeah yeah yeah
- 40:27Speaker 4: so go imaginary play.
- 40:28Speaker 2: Okay okay overrated song oh shit overrated huh.
- 40:42Speaker 4: Let me see i want to look at let me
- 40:45Speaker 4: look at his singles discography Get in there, Tone. I
- 40:48Speaker 4: could go deep cut, but I'm going to go with
- 40:50Speaker 4: something that was a single.
- 40:53Speaker 1: Because we talking overrated. Let's go with... Let me look
- 41:04Speaker 1: at his singles. 99 Problems, Miles?
- 41:11Speaker 2: 99 Problems?
- 41:11Speaker 1: I don't love that song.
- 41:12Speaker 2: Miles, you think 99 Problems is overrated? Jeff, ace to
- 41:18Speaker 2: the Izzo.
- 41:23Speaker 1: Oh, I know.
- 41:24Speaker 2: I agree with you, Crimson Chain. This is mine while
- 41:25Speaker 2: you look over it up.
- 41:27Speaker 1: You got yours, kid?
- 41:28Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. Empire State of Mind.
- 41:34Speaker 1: Oh, that's yours?
- 41:35Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 41:35Speaker 1: Ooh, New York. Yeah, just, man, watch out. Oh, I
- 41:41Speaker 1: know mine. Go ahead.
- 41:43Speaker 4: Bonnie and Clyde. I could care less about that goddamn song.
- 41:49Speaker 1: Really? Man, it skips.
- 41:55Speaker 4: I've never cared about that damn song. Bonnie and Clyde
- 42:01Speaker 4: could get the hell up out of you. I know
- 42:04Speaker 4: y'all girl Beyonce is on there, but I could care less.
- 42:09Speaker 2: Wow. Okay.
- 42:12Speaker 4: All I need in this life is sin. Now cue
- 42:15Speaker 4: up the Tupac version. Get this Bonnie and Clyde out
- 42:20Speaker 4: of here, man.
- 42:20Speaker 2: That's great. I feel like for it to be overrated,
- 42:24Speaker 2: it got to be a song that a lot of people,
- 42:25Speaker 2: it can't be a deep cut.
- 42:27Speaker 1: No, no deep cut.
- 42:28Speaker 4: That's why I had to make sure I was looking
- 42:30Speaker 4: at the popular stuff.
- 42:32Speaker 2: Deep cut don't count.
- 42:33Speaker 1: Bonnie and Clyde, that was a hit too.
- 42:35Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 42:37Speaker 1: Cut it off. All I need in this life is sin.
- 42:41Speaker 1: Cut it off.
- 42:44Speaker 4: Just let the Tupac song sit where it was at.
- 42:47Speaker 4: We'll leave it at that.
- 42:48Speaker 2: Fair enough.
- 42:50Speaker 4: All right.
- 42:51Speaker 3: Okay. All right. We're almost done. Collab you'd like to see.
- 42:59Speaker 1: Jay-Z.
- 43:05Speaker 2: Oh, come on, Mary T91. Talking about song cry because
- 43:08Speaker 2: you guys be gassing it. Song cried deservedly gas.
- 43:13Speaker 3: Married T91. A lot of people are saying Change Clothes.
- 43:16Speaker 1: I like Change Clothes.
- 43:17Speaker 3: People ain't feeling Change Clothes.
- 43:19Speaker 2: That's the most common one I'm seeing in the Patreon
- 43:22Speaker 2: is saying, girl.
- 43:24Speaker 4: I promise you no substitution. I like Change Clothes. It's
- 43:30Speaker 4: all right with me.
- 43:31Speaker 3: Y'all not feeling Change Clothes.
- 43:34Speaker 1: Okay. A collab I would want to see.
- 43:36Speaker 3: I hate Change Clothes. Jesus. That's crazy.
- 43:40Speaker 4: I'm going to go with people that are alive.
- 43:46Speaker 1: So I'm not going to dig into the.
- 43:47Speaker 3: Oh, yeah. We don't want no dead.
- 43:49Speaker 1: I'm not going to dig into the dead. Girl, I
- 43:54Speaker 1: promise you no substitution. A collab I would want to see.
- 44:11Speaker 3: Oh, this is good.
- 44:12Speaker 2: V Child says Jay-Z and Jasmine Sullivan. Wait, are we
- 44:16Speaker 2: thinking producer or another artist?
- 44:18Speaker 1: I was thinking of another artist.
- 44:19Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. Okay. I didn't think she said.
- 44:23Speaker 3: Somebody said.
- 44:27Speaker 3: Oh, Jay-Z and Pharrell couldn't do nothing wrong. Made me
- 44:29Speaker 3: think of producer. Oh, gotcha, gotcha. Does he have a
- 44:32Speaker 3: song with Nas?
- 44:33Speaker 1: Yeah, he got several. Okay. Black Republican is.
- 44:37Speaker 4: Black Republican might be my favorite Nas and Jay-Z song.
- 44:42Speaker 3: What they talking about on that?
- 44:45Speaker 4: It feel like a Black Republican money I got coming in.
- 44:49Speaker 1: You ain't heard that?
- 44:51Speaker 3: I feel like that might be.
- 44:53Speaker 4: It's not what you think it is, though, because Nas
- 44:55Speaker 4: ain't going for that shit.
- 44:58Speaker 1: What am I thinking it is?
- 44:59Speaker 4: Well, I don't know if you was thinking like, hey, man,
- 45:02Speaker 4: they on some Republican type shit?
- 45:04Speaker 3: No, I'm talking about making money. Yeah, yeah. I mean,
- 45:06Speaker 3: that's what they mad at Jay-Z for now.
- 45:09Speaker 1: This is on Nas' Hip Hop Is Dead album. I'll
- 45:18Speaker 1: let you hear the chorus. It's coming in.
- 45:23Speaker 2: All right, man.
- 45:24Speaker 3: Start rapping, Chase.
- 45:26Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 45:45Speaker 1: Back in the hood. Like, fuck it, man.
- 45:50Speaker 3: Fresh years.
- 45:50Speaker 1: You know, man, this is a great song.
- 45:53Speaker 3: Fresh years.
- 45:53Speaker 1: That's my favorite Nas and Jay-Z collab for sure.
- 45:56Speaker 2: Um... Have Jay-Z and SZA done a song together?
- 46:02Speaker 1: I was thinking SZA and Jay-Z.
- 46:04Speaker 3: SZA's a good collab artist.
- 46:07Speaker 1: She be dope as hell on features.
- 46:09Speaker 2: From Kendrick to Maroon 5.
- 46:14Speaker 1: She be dope as hell on features. Every time I
- 46:15Speaker 1: hear her on the feature, I be like, man, once again.
- 46:18Speaker 3: I like Jay-Z and SZA.
- 46:20Speaker 1: She just featured on Victoria Monet's album.
- 46:23Speaker 3: I ain't tapped into that yet.
- 46:25Speaker 1: I pulled up on that song in particular. I was like, oh,
- 46:27Speaker 1: SZA got a feature on there. So I pulled up.
- 46:29Speaker 1: It's good. It's good.
- 46:30Speaker 3: How do you like the album?
- 46:31Speaker 1: I didn't listen to the whole album yet. Oh, you
- 46:32Speaker 1: just listened to that song?
- 46:33Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 46:34Speaker 1: She got a feature with Isaiah Rashad.
- 46:36Speaker 2: I heard he came out. I heard he was, his
- 46:40Speaker 2: last album was Fire.
- 46:41Speaker 1: It's good.
- 46:42Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 46:42Speaker 1: Yeah, but that song, they got together.
- 46:44Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 46:45Speaker 1: That's one of my favorite songs of the year.
- 46:47Speaker 3: All right. Time for the tough knock.
- 46:50Speaker 1: Time for the who?
- 46:52Speaker 3: I don't know.
- 46:54Speaker 1: I don't know what I said.
- 47:04Speaker 3: I think I said.
- 47:05Speaker 2: I think I was trying to say.
- 47:10Speaker 2: I think I was trying to say tough one and
- 47:12Speaker 2: tough part. You ain't been stalling me out at all today.
- 47:18Speaker 3: I said I'm in a tough one.
- 47:23Speaker 2: Because I was really confused.
- 47:25Speaker 4: I was just like, wait, what's the last category? Like,
- 47:28Speaker 4: that was genuine what you said. It wasn't even like me, like, oh.
- 47:34Speaker 1: It wasn't even a oh. That was genuine, like, what
- 47:37Speaker 1: the hell was that?
- 47:40Speaker 2: Tough mountain. I don't know. It's time for top 10
- 47:44Speaker 2: Jay-Z songs of all time.
- 47:48Speaker 4: That's what that was supposed to be.
- 47:52Speaker 2: That's what I'm telling y'all.
- 47:54Speaker 1: That's what that was supposed to be.
- 47:55Speaker 2: Top 10. Top of the top. Just fell off the cliff.
- 48:01Speaker 3: I hope nobody noticed what was happening.
- 48:04Speaker 1: Top of the top.
- 48:05Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
- 48:06Speaker 1: All right.
- 48:07Speaker 2: Top 10 Jay-Z songs of all time. Please remember, you
- 48:11Speaker 2: can pick your own song.
- 48:13Speaker 3: All right?
- 48:15Speaker 1: This is hard.
- 48:16Speaker 3: This is tough, man. This is tough.
- 48:20Speaker 2: It's going to be really hard when an artist has
- 48:22Speaker 2: a discography like this. You know what I'm saying, man?
- 48:24Speaker 2: Because you could do 10 Jay-Z features. You could do
- 48:27Speaker 2: 10 all kind of stuff.
- 48:28Speaker 1: But it don't matter.
- 48:29Speaker 3: You could pick whatever you want, however you want to
- 48:32Speaker 3: slice it or dice it. But top 10 Jay-Z songs.
- 48:38Speaker 1: I'm going to just be throwing stuff out here.
- 48:41Speaker 3: Throw it out.
- 48:41Speaker 1: I didn't have time to get my feet together.
- 48:45Speaker 2: Just scan through your list. I'm scanning through mine.
- 48:47Speaker 1: Well, I know Dead Presidents is on there.
- 48:50Speaker 3: Okay.
- 48:50Speaker 2: Dead Presidents makes sense.
- 48:51Speaker 1: Yeah. Dead Presidents is on there for me.
- 48:53Speaker 2: Okay. I'm going to go Song Cry.
- 48:55Speaker 1: Okay.
- 48:56Speaker 2: Song Cry is absolutely on there for me, for Jay-Z.
- 48:59Speaker 2: That might be one of my favorite rap songs, period, honestly.
- 49:03Speaker 1: So we got two out the way.
- 49:04Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 49:06Speaker 1: I'm going to go. I'm going to go. Yeah. I'm
- 49:25Speaker 1: going to go Encore. I like Encore a lot. You
- 49:29Speaker 1: want more?
- 49:30Speaker 2: Okay.
- 49:31Speaker 1: I like Encore a lot.
- 49:32Speaker 2: All right.
- 49:33Speaker 3: I'm going to go Big Pimpin'. Yes.
- 49:36Speaker 2: I'm going right back to high school 1998.
- 49:41Speaker 3: I believe, is when I first heard that.
- 49:44Speaker 1: I'm going to go... Can't knock the hustle.
- 49:47Speaker 3: Oh, that's a lot.
- 49:47Speaker 2: A lot of people on the Patreon are saying that, too.
- 49:49Speaker 2: I love that song. A lot of people like that song.
- 49:51Speaker 1: I'm not looking at y'all in the.
- 49:52Speaker 2: Chat, either. I don't want y'all infecting my thoughts. I
- 49:57Speaker 2: just noticed that. I'm going to go... What did I
- 50:02Speaker 2: say last time?
- 50:03Speaker 3: Oh, Big Pimpin'? I'm going to say Hard Knock Life.
- 50:06Speaker 1: Hard Knock Life is a great song.
- 50:08Speaker 2: I'm doing songs that matter to me. I love Hard
- 50:11Speaker 2: Knock Life.
- 50:12Speaker 1: I'm going to go Imaginary Players.
- 50:14Speaker 2: I thought you was going to go that earlier than that.
- 50:20Speaker 2: I'm going to go 444.
- 50:22Speaker 1: As a song?
- 50:23Speaker 3: As a song.
- 50:24Speaker 1: Okay.
- 50:24Speaker 2: I love that song. I love where Jay-Z is at.
- 50:28Speaker 2: I connect with that as a married man for many
- 50:30Speaker 2: years by that time in my life, as was he.
- 50:33Speaker 3: I feel you.
- 50:34Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 50:35Speaker 3: I feel you, Jay.
- 50:36Speaker 2: Tell me the story. Beyonce already told me. I just
- 50:39Speaker 2: really want to hear your side. You got to take
- 50:42Speaker 2: drop first. She had a whole visual album on HBO.
- 50:46Speaker 2: She did. You better say something. You got to say something.
- 50:49Speaker 2: You better apologize to her and us.
- 50:52Speaker 1: Say something. I'm giving up on you, God damn it.
- 50:54Speaker 2: Say something.
- 50:55Speaker 1: I'm giving up on you.
- 50:57Speaker 4: I'm going to go non-single December 4th. I don't even
- 51:04Speaker 4: know that song. That's opening up the Black album. It's
- 51:07Speaker 4: the one with his mom on the track.
- 51:08Speaker 3: Oh, the one you were talking about earlier.
- 51:10Speaker 1: Okay.
- 51:10Speaker 3: I love December 4th.
- 51:12Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. I'm only going songs that I remember. Y'all,
- 51:21Speaker 2: just please, shut the hell up. Not too much on me.
- 51:26Speaker 2: I really love this song. If I was going to
- 51:29Speaker 2: pick 10 songs, I want to hear this one.
- 51:32Speaker 1: Izzo.
- 51:33Speaker 2: I love A to the Izzo, B to the Izzo.
- 51:37Speaker 2: My sister used to put down in VA.
- 51:41Speaker 1: Love it.
- 51:44Speaker 3: Love it.
- 51:45Speaker 2: For me, Kevin. It's just for me.
- 51:47Speaker 1: Hey, man. You know what I'm saying? Stand firm.
- 51:49Speaker 3: Yeah.
- 51:50Speaker 4: I'm going to go. I'm going to end it. My
- 51:53Speaker 4: final pick. You got so many songs. I'm going to
- 52:00Speaker 4: go Dear Summer.
- 52:02Speaker 3: Okay, you'd go in. That is a song.
- 52:05Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm going to go Dear Summer. I like that one.
- 52:07Speaker 3: Oh, shit.
- 52:08Speaker 1: My bad.
- 52:08Speaker 3: Dear Summer.
- 52:09Speaker 1: Dear Summer.
- 52:12Speaker 3: Okay. Dang.
- 52:15Speaker 2: Wow.
- 52:15Speaker 1: All right. What do I have left for that? It
- 52:19Speaker 1: really means something to me.
- 52:23Speaker 3: I'm feeling it.
- 52:25Speaker 1: I like that song. I'm going to go.
- 52:29Speaker 2: You know what I like? I'm going to go, What
- 52:33Speaker 2: More Can I Say? What more can I say?
- 52:37Speaker 3: I like that song. What more can I say?
- 52:41Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 52:42Speaker 4: Let me tell y'all something right here, right now. I
- 52:45Speaker 4: know y'all got y'all opinions on Jay-Z, and we got
- 52:48Speaker 4: this revisionist thing going, and I know 50 Cent was like,
- 52:50Speaker 4: he never dominated, but let me tell you something right here,
- 52:53Speaker 4: right the fuck now. Jay-Z has a catalog of excellent work,
- 53:02Speaker 4: and consistency you cannot take your feelings out of everything
- 53:07Speaker 4: take your bias out take your feelings out and just
- 53:10Speaker 4: look at the body of work the longevity he was
- 53:14Speaker 4: always relevant this is a career that any artist wish
- 53:22Speaker 4: they had I don't I don't want to hear nothing
- 53:25Speaker 4: about if you had a diamond album and you only
- 53:28Speaker 4: had one diamond album and the rest of the albums
- 53:30Speaker 4: was just Hey. Clubs and spades and hearts. You got
- 53:36Speaker 4: one diamond in there. But Jay-Z has 14 number one albums.
- 53:42Speaker 4: If you want to get technical, he got like 10
- 53:45Speaker 4: solo number one albums.
- 53:47Speaker 3: Songwriters Hall of Fame. Songwriters.
- 53:50Speaker 1: Come on, man. What are we talking about? You're respected
- 53:53Speaker 1: as a lyricist.
- 53:55Speaker 3: Storyteller.
- 53:56Speaker 2: Storytelling.
- 53:58Speaker 1: The videos, the concepts, you conceptual with your album.
- 54:01Speaker 3: And the longevity, which you don't always get for rappers.
- 54:04Speaker 4: 90% of you rappers don't have longevity.
- 54:08Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
- 54:09Speaker 4: Cass came out five years ago, debuting now with 20,000
- 54:14Speaker 4: units first week sold. Jay-Z has been putting out number
- 54:21Speaker 4: one albums since 1998.
- 54:24Speaker 1: Dang. His last album.
- 54:26Speaker 4: In 2017 debuted at number one.
- 54:30Speaker 1: Shut the hell up.
- 54:31Speaker 3: Was that 444?
- 54:31Speaker 2: 444.
- 54:31Speaker 3: That was his last album?
- 54:33Speaker 2: That's his last album.
- 54:34Speaker 4: Almost 10 years ago? Number one on the Billboard charts.
- 54:39Speaker 4: Damn near, what was that, 20 years? Damn near 20
- 54:41Speaker 4: years later, still number one.
- 54:44Speaker 2: Wow.
- 54:44Speaker 1: Come on. What are we talking about?
- 54:47Speaker 2: And also, next week, for future deep dives, Kirk Franklin-
- 54:54Speaker 2: Fred Hammond, John P.
- 54:56Speaker 4: Key.
- 54:56Speaker 2: I want Tony to come over to what I was
- 54:58Speaker 2: listening to on the Deep Cuts. I, too, grew up
- 55:01Speaker 2: on that. Yolanda Adams. After we do Don McClurkin live
- 55:04Speaker 2: in London. I know that.
- 55:05Speaker 1: Now we cooking. We should do a deep dive on
- 55:08Speaker 1: just that album.
- 55:10Speaker 2: That's a great album, though. That's my favorite Donnie album.
- 55:13Speaker 2: I think that's his best album.
- 55:14Speaker 1: That's the best gospel album of all time.
- 55:18Speaker 2: I know people get pissed with me because I ain't
- 55:20Speaker 2: heavy hip-hop, but I know way more about hip-hop than
- 55:24Speaker 2: Tony does about gospel.
- 55:25Speaker 3: I know that.
- 55:26Speaker 1: I can't even argue with that. I got to argue that.
- 55:28Speaker 3: Now, you know way more hip-hop, and there's a lot
- 55:32Speaker 3: of good hip-hop.
- 55:33Speaker 1: Oh, yeah.
- 55:34Speaker 2: I'm Service McGee, but I know enough to hold a conversation. Now,
- 55:37Speaker 2: if you went 20 Jay-Z songs, I'd be like.
- 55:40Speaker 4: In the gospel conversation, I'm dying in the opening credits.
- 55:45Speaker 2: You Chris Brown and stop the yard.
- 55:48Speaker 1: Chris Brown and stop the yard.
- 55:49Speaker 2: I'm going to get this on here. We're going to
- 55:51Speaker 2: deep dive Kirk Franklin's greatest hit. Kirk Franklin got a
- 55:54Speaker 2: new album coming out that's a fire. They let me
- 55:57Speaker 2: listen to it early. You got the early, you got
- 55:59Speaker 2: the drop. I was at the live taping for part
- 56:04Speaker 2: of it. It's a double album. I don't know if
- 56:08Speaker 2: they classify it as a double album, but it's half
- 56:11Speaker 2: straight gospel, half something else.
- 56:14Speaker 1: Fire. Okay. You're just saying that because you.
- 56:18Speaker 2: Know I'm that? No, no, no. You know what I... No,
- 56:20Speaker 2: not even. You know me, my trick is I only
- 56:25Speaker 2: talk about stuff I like. And publicly for black people,
- 56:28Speaker 2: I try very rare for me to disparage black people trying.
- 56:33Speaker 2: So I usually try to find something good about something
- 56:35Speaker 2: that I like. But if I don't find anything good
- 56:37Speaker 2: about it, I just won't talk about it. You can't
- 56:40Speaker 2: even pay me Because I don't want my word to
- 56:43Speaker 2: be used against me.
- 56:44Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah.
- 56:45Speaker 3: So I just won't. If you think.
- 56:48Speaker 2: Something popping and I ain't said nothing about it, that's
- 56:51Speaker 2: what I told you. Because if I can't even find
- 56:53Speaker 2: nothing good to say, everybody talk about it and I'm
- 56:55Speaker 2: just like.
- 56:58Speaker 3: Anyway. What's up with tonight?
- 57:00Speaker 1: What's up with tonight?
- 57:02Speaker 2: That tells you, Eric, because you on the way, comedy special,
- 57:07Speaker 2: whatever it is. I can find something good about a
- 57:10Speaker 2: lot of stuff.
- 57:11Speaker 1: I'd be like, man, the camera work is fantastic.
- 57:14Speaker 3: Also, I want to say this, too. And I don't
- 57:18Speaker 3: know why.
- 57:19Speaker 2: I think a lot of the black community is being
- 57:22Speaker 2: unnecessarily harsh on Mojo Brooks. I don't know what this
- 57:26Speaker 2: man has done. He's doing his stand-up.
- 57:30Speaker 1: He's doing.
- 57:31Speaker 2: Mojo did not create the need for crowd work. The
- 57:35Speaker 2: internet has determined that the best way to get people
- 57:38Speaker 2: to see you... Not the best way. One of the easy,
- 57:42Speaker 2: repeatable ways to get people to see you is doing
- 57:45Speaker 2: crowd work. He has found something that works. His special
- 57:48Speaker 2: proves that he has material. He has some great jokes
- 57:51Speaker 2: in there. His grandma dementia bit was my favorite joke
- 57:54Speaker 2: in there. As a stand-up comedian, all you can ever
- 57:58Speaker 2: hope to do is build an audience of people who
- 58:00Speaker 2: like your style. And I'm not even talking about, I'm
- 58:03Speaker 2: not even using the excuse of, oh, he's selling all
- 58:05Speaker 2: these tickets. You can sell a lot of tickets and
- 58:07Speaker 2: be bad. I'm not even arguing that. I'm saying as
- 58:09Speaker 2: a stand-up comedian, he's doing what we want to do.
- 58:13Speaker 3: Of course.
- 58:14Speaker 2: You know, he's got material. He's got a way to
- 58:17Speaker 2: get you to come see him. His audience rocks with him.
- 58:20Speaker 2: If you watch his special, his audience is dying in
- 58:24Speaker 2: them seats.
- 58:25Speaker 1: Okay.
- 58:25Speaker 2: I've watched a lot of stand-up. a lot of stand-up specials.
- 58:31Speaker 2: They don't even be cutting to the audience. The laughs
- 58:34Speaker 2: be from behind the audience's head. There ain't no proof
- 58:37Speaker 2: these people are actually laughing. A lot of them big
- 58:40Speaker 2: white comedians, they wouldn't dare turn that camera around. These
- 58:44Speaker 2: people at Mojo Stings are like, woo! Deaf comedy jam level,
- 58:49Speaker 2: people are enjoying it. And I think, I don't know
- 58:52Speaker 2: what it is about, I mean, I know it's part
- 58:54Speaker 2: of American culture, We tend to do this. And the
- 58:58Speaker 2: black community is not the only people. We tend to
- 59:00Speaker 2: do this as Americans. Maybe just as people. We love
- 59:03Speaker 2: you on the way up. Yeah.
- 59:05Speaker 3: And then you get somewhere. You're so big.
- 59:07Speaker 2: We're like, man, he only, and it's just like, bro,
- 59:11Speaker 2: here we go. I, I, I, I like Mosho. Yeah.
- 59:15Speaker 3: I'm proud of what he's done.
- 59:16Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 59:17Speaker 2: He didn't, he didn't cheat his way to the top.
- 59:20Speaker 2: You ain't seen Mojo stealing all these jokes.
- 59:23Speaker 1: Right.
- 59:24Speaker 2: It's just, bro, he didn't create the internet. We all
- 59:27Speaker 2: was figuring out how we get to sell these tickets.
- 59:29Speaker 1: Every comedian wants to put butts in them goddamn seats.
- 59:33Speaker 4: You comedians need to shut the hell up. Kev is
- 59:36Speaker 4: going to be nice with it. I want all of
- 59:38Speaker 4: you motherfuckers to shut the hell up. mojo brooks is
- 59:42Speaker 4: selling tickets the crowd work is obviously resonating with that
- 59:46Speaker 4: audience they like it they're having a good time that's
- 59:48Speaker 4: the sole purpose of this comedy game all that other
- 59:52Speaker 4: horse shit nah you get to be painful up there
- 59:55Speaker 4: you got to be dark you got to defend audiences
- 59:58Speaker 4: shut the hell up there's a lot of you that's
- 1:00:00Speaker 4: doing this you comedy purists your shows be empty You
- 1:00:05Speaker 4: funny as hell, but they paper in the room. Shut
- 1:00:08Speaker 4: the hell up, man. And crowd work is a skill
- 1:00:11Speaker 4: set as well.
- 1:00:12Speaker 2: Man!
- 1:00:13Speaker 1: A lot of you comedians can't even do crowd work.
- 1:00:16Speaker 1: You try to do crowd work, that shit is awkward.
- 1:00:18Speaker 4: You go right back into the material because you awkward
- 1:00:20Speaker 4: as hell with the crowd work. So just because they
- 1:00:23Speaker 4: got another skill set that they're using that they can
- 1:00:25Speaker 4: use even more of because they don't have to burn material,
- 1:00:28Speaker 4: let them do that. Let people get it how they can.
- 1:00:32Speaker 4: We no longer at the mercy of a casting director
- 1:00:35Speaker 4: or a comedy show producer. We getting it from our phones.
- 1:00:39Speaker 4: We getting it from the audience taping. Be happy for
- 1:00:42Speaker 4: niggas that don't have to depend on Hollywood no more.
- 1:00:44Speaker 2: You know how much we as comedians are.
- 1:00:50Speaker 3: That are in control of our own destiny.
- 1:00:52Speaker 1: Oh my God.
- 1:00:53Speaker 2: Can you imagine if our whole life, 20 years ago,
- 1:00:56Speaker 2: you got the, you at the mercy of a Booker.
- 1:00:59Speaker 1: Oh my God.
- 1:01:00Speaker 2: Of the, I can't even think of the passing director
- 1:01:02Speaker 2: or the, or the college. You got to get the
- 1:01:04Speaker 2: college circle. You got to be passed on that. You
- 1:01:06Speaker 2: got to get into DACA or whatever. The thing is, uh, NACA, NACA, Bruh,
- 1:01:11Speaker 2: I can call, hey, improv, funny bone, Virginia Beach.
- 1:01:17Speaker 3: Y'all got an opening March 2028. It's Kevin on stage.
- 1:01:20Speaker 3: Kevin on stage? We got the 26th and 27th. Bet
- 1:01:23Speaker 3: I'll take them.
- 1:01:24Speaker 5: Yes.
- 1:01:25Speaker 1: Bruh, that's... Me and.
- 1:01:27Speaker 2: Tony, don't let anything else we do Cloud your vision.
- 1:01:33Speaker 3: All this other stuff could die.
- 1:01:35Speaker 4: Oh, yeah.
- 1:01:36Speaker 3: Podcasting, acting, internet videos.
- 1:01:40Speaker 2: If all I could ever do is go from town
- 1:01:43Speaker 2: to town or stay in my town, coming to the stage,
- 1:01:46Speaker 2: kept on stage, and because of my jokes, I could
- 1:01:49Speaker 2: feed my family. The rest is whipped cream and maraschino cherries.
- 1:01:54Speaker 1: Absolutely.
- 1:01:54Speaker 2: I won.
- 1:01:55Speaker 1: Absolutely.
- 1:01:55Speaker 2: The fact that I can sell tickets in the United
- 1:01:58Speaker 2: States enough to pay my bills You can't tell me nothing.
- 1:02:04Speaker 2: I won.
- 1:02:05Speaker 1: That's the game.
- 1:02:06Speaker 4: You can just send me right on to the afterlife
- 1:02:09Speaker 4: after that. Because that's all it's about, man. People are
- 1:02:14Speaker 4: selling tickets. People are coming to see him. People are
- 1:02:16Speaker 4: having a good time. The goal in comedy is laughter.
- 1:02:21Speaker 1: Are they laughing? Yes.
- 1:02:22Speaker 2: I'm sick of these tech talks and good points and all.
- 1:02:25Speaker 4: And these comedians, you hating ass, bitter ass comedians that
- 1:02:30Speaker 4: can't figure out how to sell tickets.
- 1:02:32Speaker 1: You funny as hell, but you're just not selling tickets.
- 1:02:35Speaker 2: It's your energy.
- 1:02:36Speaker 1: It's your attitude. And you don't want to do the
- 1:02:38Speaker 1: work online.
- 1:02:39Speaker 2: Because let me tell you what else, right? I watched
- 1:02:42Speaker 2: this documentary called, I believe it was 30 Feet from Stardom.
- 1:02:46Speaker 2: I won't argue with you that many a background singer
- 1:02:49Speaker 2: is a better singer vocalist than the artist they're behind.
- 1:02:53Speaker 3: Sure.
- 1:02:54Speaker 2: But that artist is a better artist.
- 1:02:57Speaker 1: Yeah.
- 1:02:57Speaker 2: And most background singers would rather be in front with
- 1:03:02Speaker 2: somebody behind them. Yeah. And I think a lot of
- 1:03:04Speaker 2: times what we see in comedians, we are... the background
- 1:03:09Speaker 2: singer and they mad at the artist. And that artist
- 1:03:12Speaker 2: has figured out the personality. It's like Cardi B's Tiny Desk.
- 1:03:17Speaker 2: When you watch her Tiny.
- 1:03:17Speaker 3: Desk, have you seen it?
- 1:03:18Speaker 1: No.
- 1:03:19Speaker 2: Tony, check it out. Cardi B, she won't even tell
- 1:03:23Speaker 2: you she's the best rapper. She will tell you that
- 1:03:25Speaker 2: she doesn't write all her raps. But what she is,
- 1:03:28Speaker 2: is entertaining. I watched her Tiny Desk. I was telling Angel.
- 1:03:33Speaker 2: I would go see her. I'm not going to argue
- 1:03:37Speaker 2: she's the greatest lyricist or MC, but I would give
- 1:03:40Speaker 2: her that 80 bucks that I didn't have when Jay-Z
- 1:03:42Speaker 2: and Kanye came. I would go to her concert. I
- 1:03:45Speaker 2: know I'd have a good time. And I think there's
- 1:03:48Speaker 2: credit that needs to go to people who are figuring
- 1:03:50Speaker 2: out how to do it in the way. All you
- 1:03:53Speaker 2: can ever do is figure out how to do it
- 1:03:55Speaker 2: in your generation. If me and you came up in 1990...
- 1:03:59Speaker 2: We would have had to figure out how to get
- 1:04:00Speaker 2: them cast as directors. We would have had to figure out-
- 1:04:02Speaker 2: In Gatekeeper City, man. Def Comedy Jam or Comic View.
- 1:04:06Speaker 2: And that's a different skill set.
- 1:04:08Speaker 4: It was always, you always needed a Gatekeeper platform just
- 1:04:13Speaker 4: to get to the next. I got to be on
- 1:04:15Speaker 4: the Johnny Carson. Johnny Carson was everything for comedians.
- 1:04:18Speaker 5: Yes.
- 1:04:18Speaker 4: Then you got to be on Def Jam. Then you
- 1:04:20Speaker 4: got to be on Comic View. Now, you don't have
- 1:04:22Speaker 4: to do none of that. You can record your shows,
- 1:04:26Speaker 4: your clips, and people will come see you. And these
- 1:04:30Speaker 4: people out here hate that. Why are you hating on this?
- 1:04:33Speaker 4: They fucking up the comedy game. If a person is
- 1:04:35Speaker 4: not funny when people go see them live, guess what?
- 1:04:39Speaker 4: The people not going to come back.
- 1:04:40Speaker 3: Jerry Seinfeld says that all the time.
- 1:04:42Speaker 2: He said, I don't care about bad comedians because comedy
- 1:04:45Speaker 2: is a self-cleaning oven or engine.
- 1:04:48Speaker 3: That's it. It will spit you out.
- 1:04:50Speaker 2: There's no amount of celebrity that will keep people sitting
- 1:04:54Speaker 2: down if you are bombing.
- 1:04:56Speaker 3: They won't go back. You can get them once.
- 1:04:58Speaker 4: You get them once, but they be like, man, he
- 1:05:00Speaker 4: wasn't funny, man.
- 1:05:01Speaker 1: I ain't going back.
- 1:05:02Speaker 3: And there it is.
- 1:05:02Speaker 2: And it's all for wear. And you might actually get
- 1:05:05Speaker 2: funnier later. And they're like, ah, man, I seen him
- 1:05:08Speaker 2: and he was, nope. You're going to have to prove
- 1:05:10Speaker 2: it in a different way eight years ago.
- 1:05:13Speaker 3: So yeah, man.
- 1:05:14Speaker 1: Shut the hell up is what we're saying.
- 1:05:17Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all, Patreon. Me and Tony was in here
- 1:05:20Speaker 2: chopping it up today. This is almost three hours of talking,
- 1:05:24Speaker 2: and I'd do it again. God bless y'all. Next week,
- 1:05:29Speaker 2: we're talking Janet Jackson deep dive. We're talking Vision Quest.
- 1:05:34Speaker 2: We're talking The Drop episode seven.
- 1:05:37Speaker 1: We got to give The Drop his propers, man.
- 1:05:39Speaker 2: We do.
- 1:05:40Speaker 1: We slid it to the side like panties today.
- 1:05:43Speaker 2: We slid it to the side like panties. Also, one
- 1:05:45Speaker 2: more thing on The Drop before we go. That dude
- 1:05:48Speaker 2: who took DG's watch. He started talking about hopes and dreams.
- 1:05:53Speaker 1: I said, I don't care. Hopes and dreams.
- 1:05:57Speaker 2: When you're an actor and they give you the script
- 1:05:59Speaker 2: and you say, my dream is, I'll be like, man,
- 1:06:01Speaker 2: why y'all killing me, man?
- 1:06:03Speaker 4: Don't tell nobody y'all hopes and dreams in real life
- 1:06:06Speaker 4: because you're going to die in the next scene, y'all.
- 1:06:08Speaker 4: Don't tell nobody your hopes and dreams. You know what
- 1:06:13Speaker 4: my dream is, Kev? I want to go back to Chicago.
- 1:06:20Speaker 4: Then when we leave here, man, this podcast is fun.
- 1:06:23Speaker 2: Somebody in the backseat of your truck. Why are you
- 1:06:28Speaker 2: killing Tony Becker?
- 1:06:29Speaker 3: He said it was his dream to go back to Chicago.
- 1:06:31Speaker 1: He had a dream.
- 1:06:32Speaker 2: He's not even in the gang or he's not in
- 1:06:34Speaker 2: the mob. You know you can't say hopes and dreams, man.
- 1:06:38Speaker 1: Dreams, dog.
- 1:06:38Speaker 2: Dude in the drop is like, I'm going to go
- 1:06:40Speaker 2: to Oakland, but first I got to kill these two niggas.
- 1:06:42Speaker 2: What they do, don't worry about it. The fact that
- 1:06:45Speaker 2: you mentioned that, these two people are going to live
- 1:06:48Speaker 2: prosperous lives.
- 1:06:49Speaker 3: You got plans?
- 1:06:50Speaker 2: Dreams?
- 1:06:51Speaker 3: I said, dang.
- 1:06:52Speaker 1: Copy that.
- 1:06:53Speaker 2: They shot that, man. I said, why you tell them? Man,
- 1:06:55Speaker 2: what's your dreams? I don't dream. I don't sleep. I'm
- 1:06:59Speaker 2: Jalen Hurts with a blood clot.
- 1:07:01Speaker 1: You really got to be like, I ain't got no hopes.
- 1:07:03Speaker 1: I got nothing. I got nothing. You're going to stay
- 1:07:07Speaker 1: alive for the whole franchise.
- 1:07:08Speaker 3: You should put that in a movie. What's your dream?
- 1:07:11Speaker 2: Nope. I only have nightmares. No, I don't want to
- 1:07:15Speaker 2: go nowhere. I can't fly. I can't drive. I can't
- 1:07:19Speaker 2: ride a train. I can't read. They'd be like, please,
- 1:07:23Speaker 2: put me out of my misery. He'd be alive for
- 1:07:26Speaker 2: five movies. Like, damn it. What's your dream, man?
- 1:07:31Speaker 3: Nothing.
- 1:07:33Speaker 1: Nothing?
- 1:07:34Speaker 2: Nope.
- 1:07:35Speaker 1: Not at all.
- 1:07:36Speaker 3: My favorite Meek Mill song is called And Nightmares.
- 1:07:43Speaker 1: Nightmares and Nightmares. Daymares and nightmares. That's the song I'm
- 1:07:47Speaker 1: waiting on.
- 1:07:48Speaker 2: Daymares.
- 1:07:49Speaker 1: I be having daymares and nightmares. I got no dreams.
- 1:07:53Speaker 2: No dreams, man. Every time I do have one.
- 1:07:55Speaker 1: Don't you want to see your kids grow up?
- 1:07:56Speaker 3: I don't want to see nothing.
- 1:07:58Speaker 1: Hell no.
- 1:07:58Speaker 2: I don't even have kids. Do I have kids?
- 1:08:00Speaker 1: I don't know.
- 1:08:01Speaker 3: If they grow up, they grow up.
- 1:08:02Speaker 1: I wouldn't know them. I don't want to know them.
- 1:08:06Speaker 3: If they grow up, they grow up. If they die,
- 1:08:07Speaker 3: they die.
- 1:08:08Speaker 1: Roll credits.
- 1:08:09Speaker 2: Kill your kids.
- 1:08:10Speaker 5: I'm going to kill my kids anyway, just so y'all
- 1:08:12Speaker 5: can't dream of them. It's your kid's dream to meet you. Well,
- 1:08:17Speaker 5: he's going to be dead in the next scene. What
- 1:08:21Speaker 5: the hell's going on?
- 1:08:25Speaker 2: All right, y'all.
- 1:08:27Speaker 3: We'll see y'all next week. God bless you.
- 1:08:29Speaker 2: God keep you.
- 1:08:30Speaker 3: We'll see you at the conference.