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Episode 39: Wizards of Gaming - Hogwarts Legacy · Revelio: A Wizarding World Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hello and welcome to episode thirty nine of Rebellio for
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  Speaker 1: March fifth, twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 2: I'm Amy and I'm Tom.
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  Speaker 1: And Nicole is on a little trip. But we are
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  Speaker 1: joined by a very special guest, Sam from fandom Shmannum podcast.
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  Speaker 1: So welcome Sam.
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  Speaker 3: Hello, thank you, Hello, Hello, hello, Hey.
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  Speaker 2: So have you yeah, thank you?
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  Speaker 1: Excited to be here?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we too. It's awesome.
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  Speaker 1: So could you introduce yourself to our listeners, you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe what's your Hogwarts, how how you got into Harry Potter,
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  Speaker 1: and also a little bit about.
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  Speaker 3: Your podcast too, Yeah, totally. I was born in nineteen No,
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  Speaker 3: I won't go back that far, but I I was
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  Speaker 3: born in the nineties, so I'm a giant Harry Potter
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  Speaker 3: kid like almost all of us. And I grew up
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  Speaker 3: in New England, which I feel like is the closest
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  Speaker 3: place you could have been to Scotland, in the rural
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  Speaker 3: New Hampshire area. So yeah, Halloween nights were filled with
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  Speaker 3: Harry Potter and Hermione Grangers and eventually Louna loved Goods
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  Speaker 3: and it was awesome. It was just it was a blast.
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  Speaker 3: So I had no choice as a millennial in the
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  Speaker 3: nineties and oughts, but to love that and I learned
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  Speaker 3: to read because of Harry Potter. I was really far
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  Speaker 3: behind on my reading skills in like kindergarten, first and
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  Speaker 3: second grade. I was in special reading classes. And we started.
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  Speaker 3: My mom started reading Sorcerer's Stone to us and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, cool, can we read the next one? She's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to keep doing hare pod. I was like, well,
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  Speaker 3: I'll read it, and she's like you can't, and I
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  Speaker 3: was like, but I will. So that is how my
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  Speaker 3: pod actor journey started. Fast forward to twenty eighteen, I
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  Speaker 3: started working for MuggleNet. I eventually got a spot on Alahamorra.
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  Speaker 3: We moved to Three Broomsticks several of us, and now
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  Speaker 3: I have started this podcast for with Sierra Overermarkh's another
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  Speaker 3: Three Broomstick's host called fandom Shmandem, which covers all sorts
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  Speaker 3: of different fandoms that you love and more so, so
• 2:34
  Speaker 3: far we have we covered all of Stranger Things, so
• 2:37
  Speaker 3: if you are of like the six people that still
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  Speaker 3: like that show, you can go back and listen to
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  Speaker 3: all of our episodes about Stranger Things. And right now
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  Speaker 3: we're working on the prequels series So we're doing about
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  Speaker 3: sixteen episodes on Star Wars episodes one, two, and three
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  Speaker 3: with character deep dives, et cetera, et cetera. We have
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  Speaker 3: an awesome expert coming on that show who knows a
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  Speaker 3: lot about old extended universe, Cannon, who comes in and explains, like, well,
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  Speaker 3: before Disney took over, Qui Gon was like this actually,
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  Speaker 3: and Kundoku was like this, and then we juxtaposed that
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  Speaker 3: with that stuff. So that's that's me. My house is Gryffindor.
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  Speaker 3: And I always tell everybody who says this to me,
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  Speaker 3: be careful what you say, because it's tattooed onto my body.
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  Speaker 3: So not that you guys can't trash Gryffindor, it's just
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  Speaker 3: sometimes I say gryffin do people like what a basic
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  Speaker 3: Harry Potter fan? And I'm like, yeah, excuse me, they
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  Speaker 3: do They do say that. And I always say, I'm
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  Speaker 3: much more of a Neville Gryffindor than I am a
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  Speaker 3: Harry or a James Gryffindor. So somebody who is willing
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  Speaker 3: to stand up for the right not necessarily to dive
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  Speaker 3: headfirst into a monster's gullet. So I think that would
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  Speaker 3: be my difference there, But I love raven Claw with
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  Speaker 3: a burning passion as well. If you had to do
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  Speaker 3: one of those hybrid houses to be a gryffin Claw.
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  Speaker 3: My wife is a raven Claw. I have no ill
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  Speaker 3: will towards Hufflepuffs or Slytherins. They're just not me.
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  Speaker 2: Hmm.
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  Speaker 1: I'm feeling very outnumbered on this episode.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny. Occasionally we do have all Gryffindor episodes
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  Speaker 3: on the Three Broomsticks and we'll be like, yeah, and
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  Speaker 3: somebody in the comments will be like, I felt like
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  Speaker 3: the literary now this wasn't it good? And I have
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  Speaker 3: to put in the comments. I'm a literal English teacher.
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  Speaker 2: Oh boy, it's nice. It's nice to have a fellow
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  Speaker 2: gryffind Or on the podcast because I think it's the
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  Speaker 2: first time we've had Yeah, I think it's the first
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  Speaker 2: time we've had another gryffind Or. Usually they come from
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  Speaker 2: different houses.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, cool, awesome, fantastic.
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  Speaker 2: So in today's episode, we are going to be discussing
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  Speaker 2: Howard's legacy. But first.
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  Speaker 1: Listening to w W in the Wizarding Wireless Network No
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  Speaker 1: for the latest headlines. All right, So we do have
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of news. One big item, and that
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  Speaker 1: is another twist in the Warner Brothers sale saga. Don't
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  Speaker 1: You Done?
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  Speaker 3: So?
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  Speaker 1: Netflix is walking away from the deal after Paramount made
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  Speaker 1: a larger bid and Warner's board announced that Paramount made
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  Speaker 1: a quote superior offer than what they had struck with
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  Speaker 1: Netflix back in December, and according to PBS News, Netflix
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  Speaker 1: declined to raise its offer to compete with Paramount. And
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  Speaker 1: so here's kind of the difference here in this deal.
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  Speaker 1: The Paramount deal is that they want to buy the
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  Speaker 1: entire Warner Brothers Discovery company, whereas Netflix wanted just Warner's
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  Speaker 1: studio and streaming business. So I feel like this has
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  Speaker 1: a lot more connotations for media and film in general
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  Speaker 1: moving forward, So that should be interesting. A weird little
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  Speaker 1: side note that like obviously doesn't really have to do
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  Speaker 1: with Harry Potter, but this would put CBS and CNN
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  Speaker 1: under the same ownership roof, which is a little odd.
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  Speaker 1: But there we are. I mean, obviously, this deal is
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  Speaker 1: not final. It's going to be very heavily scrutinized, I'm
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  Speaker 1: sure during review by the government when it comes to
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  Speaker 1: regulations and consolidation.
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  Speaker 3: On all that stuff.
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  Speaker 1: So we'll see what happens, and you know, who knows,
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  Speaker 1: it could fail and Netflix could be like, well, we're
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  Speaker 1: still here, so you never know. Time will tell. What
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  Speaker 1: are your guys' thoughts on this new development.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's so fascinating that when they talk about
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  Speaker 3: deals like this and it's like, here's an extra ten
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  Speaker 3: billion dollars if you actually own stock, they're talking about
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  Speaker 3: like thirty cents, so you know, all they have so
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  Speaker 3: many they split their stock so many times in order
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  Speaker 3: to try and get new buyers in to get more
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  Speaker 3: value into it for Warner Brothers that you know, it
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  Speaker 3: goes from like the bid is twenty seven dollars, the
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  Speaker 3: bid is twenty seven dollars and five cents the bit
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  Speaker 3: is and I think they ended at thirty one bucks
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  Speaker 3: to share. And so just a very this whole sort
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  Speaker 3: of made up system of well, we are investing in
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  Speaker 3: what we think the future of this company will be,
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  Speaker 3: and so therefore we're willing to pay money now and
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  Speaker 3: have risk. That's all investment is is risk. But I
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  Speaker 3: will be interested to see, depending on who's in charge
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  Speaker 3: during the mid terms when this deal is finally approved,
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  Speaker 3: which party is actually protecting monopoly laws because there is.
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  Speaker 3: I think you could make an argument that having CNN
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  Speaker 3: and CBS, as well as Paramount owning everything from HBO
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  Speaker 3: to DC to Harry Potter might actually be a monopoly
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  Speaker 3: rather than a good competition. So I'll be interested to
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  Speaker 3: see if this actually pushes through completely. M hm.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And that is the interesting bit, right, Like, I
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  Speaker 1: feel like that's the downside of this deal for sure,
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  Speaker 1: would be that monopoly situation. But then, strangely, also on
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  Speaker 1: the other end, you have where this might be slightly
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  Speaker 1: more positive for the film industry, right, and the Paramount
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  Speaker 1: obviously believes in theatrical release much more than Netflix does.
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  Speaker 1: So there's like these weird kind of competing components where
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  Speaker 1: it could be positive for one industry and very negative
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  Speaker 1: for another. And yeah, it's well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.
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  Speaker 3: I'll say this to Matt. Damon gave this interesting interview
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  Speaker 3: in him and Ben Affleck put out their Buddy Cop
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  Speaker 3: movie on Netflix about a couple months ago, where he says, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you know, when you work for these companies, it's pretty straightforward.
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  Speaker 3: But when you work for Netflix, they tell you, hey,
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  Speaker 3: people are going to be on their phone, so mention
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  Speaker 3: the plot details five or six times. Which as a
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  Speaker 3: movie you know, lover and somebody who's literally my master's
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  Speaker 3: degree is in like film the literature adaptation. You hear
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  Speaker 3: that and you just go, oh my god, like no,
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  Speaker 3: because you want as little exposition in a project as possible.
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  Speaker 3: And so when Netflix has taken over, I'm like, does
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  Speaker 3: that mean the Harry Potter series at the beginning is
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  Speaker 3: going to be like how Sorcerer's Stone, Chamber of Secrets
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  Speaker 3: and Prisoner of Azkaban feels at the beginning of each book,
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  Speaker 3: where you're like, I get it, Joe, you understand the world,
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  Speaker 3: let it move forward, but it doesn't happen. So I
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  Speaker 3: just I I think I trust Paramount a little bit
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  Speaker 3: more as the curators of storytelling than Netflix at the moment,
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  Speaker 3: which I trust to have like a good product. So
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  Speaker 3: it's a weird, weird little competition there.
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  Speaker 2: M yeah, yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we shall see. On a lighter note, butter Beer
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  Speaker 1: Season is back in the Universal Orlando Theme Parks, and
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  Speaker 1: some of the special treats arriving this year include a
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  Speaker 1: butter beer Waffle, butter beer crem brewlat and a butter
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  Speaker 1: beer cream path. Of course, there's also merch so you know,
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  Speaker 1: they want all your money.
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  Speaker 2: As always.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, all of the designs feature the same brood in
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  Speaker 1: the British Isles design with four logos for wisiting world
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  Speaker 1: establishments that sell butter beer incorporated in there somehow. So
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  Speaker 1: these logos are the three broomsticks, the Leaky Cauldron, the hogshead,
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  Speaker 1: and a barrel that probably represents the hopping pot in
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  Speaker 1: a fair fortune and the various butter beer carts since
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  Speaker 1: they all have barrels in their designs and signs. So
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: on the spirit jersey, those logos are up the sleeve
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  Speaker 1: on the T shirt, they're on the back in on
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  Speaker 1: the bucket hat because of course we have a bucket hat.
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  Speaker 1: They're incorporated around the word of butter beer. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: butter Beer Season runs from March to May, but the
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  Speaker 1: merch will probably be around longer than that since they
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  Speaker 1: still have last year's butter Beer Season shirts in the
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  Speaker 1: parks at the moment.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, that's awesome. I feel like we're not that
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  Speaker 3: far away from Duncan and Warner Brothers doing something together
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  Speaker 3: where we've got like Hogwarts runs on butter beer and
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  Speaker 3: it's in the like the pink and orange colors, and
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  Speaker 3: I just every time I'm there, I'm like, I feel
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  Speaker 3: like Dunkin Donuts is going to come in and run
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  Speaker 3: honey dukes at some point.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, you know, if I could go to a
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  Speaker 1: Duncan drive through and get my hot butter beer.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, if they made good hot butter beer, that'd be incredible.
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  Speaker 1: If it actually tasted like the Park's.
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  Speaker 3: Hot butter beer, that'd be great. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, we got the Krispy Kreme collaboration last year,
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  Speaker 2: so I mean it only makes sense that you know,
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  Speaker 2: Duncan kind of like, you know, kind of like swoops
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  Speaker 2: in and see what what they can.
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  Speaker 3: What they can do as a person. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: look at Girl Scout Cookies, all of it, Hoggin DAWs.
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  Speaker 3: Everybody will be involved in someone, I'm sure in a
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  Speaker 3: Harry Potter collab.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
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  Speaker 1: All right, So a shorter news segment, but I'm sure
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  Speaker 1: more will be coming out pretty soon as we get
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  Speaker 1: closer to the TV show and everything of that nature.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, So for today's main discussion, as we anticipated on
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  Speaker 2: our intro, we are going to be jumping forward from
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  Speaker 2: the previous EA and Lego era episodes into the first
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  Speaker 2: truly modern RPG attempt, which is a Howard's Legacy. So
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  Speaker 2: before we dive in, we just wanted to ask Sam,
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  Speaker 2: who we feel has a lot more experience with this
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  Speaker 2: than we do, and actually had the chance to talk
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  Speaker 2: with some of the creators and just you know, really
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  Speaker 2: get some inside info and we just want to know
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  Speaker 2: a little bit about how your experience was.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's me. My name is Sam Hi. I
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  Speaker 3: had an awesome op oportunity with a man named Adrian Ropp,
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  Speaker 3: who was the lead story writer for about eighty percent
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  Speaker 3: of the Hogwarts Legacy game. So I took a video
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  Speaker 3: game writing class with him a little under two years
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  Speaker 3: ago and we got to know each other a little bit. Obviously,
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  Speaker 3: there's one of maybe like forty forty five people in
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  Speaker 3: that class, so not a small responsibility for that man
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  Speaker 3: and I then we got to talk about Harry Potter clearly,
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  Speaker 3: but we invited him onto three broomsticks and you guys
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  Speaker 3: can go and listen to the interview at any point.
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  Speaker 3: So he was an awesome insight into what was going
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  Speaker 3: on with that game. Some of the big notes that
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  Speaker 3: I remember taking away from was that on the interview
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  Speaker 3: we asked him like, so, why didn't this game include
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  Speaker 3: this or this or this? And he would say, essentially,
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  Speaker 3: we wanted the game to be everything that everybody desired.
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  Speaker 3: And then, instead of answering that question directly, which is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, kind of a possible long answer to bank
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  Speaker 3: about the inner politic workings of video game companies and
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  Speaker 3: who's giving what and that sort of stuff, he explained
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  Speaker 3: how when they first wrote all the dialogue of the game,
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  Speaker 3: they said, great, are we doing a digital release? Only
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  Speaker 3: are you doing on disc release? And they said, well,
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  Speaker 3: we want to do some special edition on disc releases
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  Speaker 3: at least, so we should be selling a distantly said okay,
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  Speaker 3: well we can put all your dialogue on two discs.
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  Speaker 3: Would you like to sell three to have the actual
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  Speaker 3: game on it? And they were like okay. So the
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  Speaker 3: amount of data that went into building that game was
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  Speaker 3: quite enormous, and I think that's one of the reasons
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  Speaker 3: why when we were sort of alluding to the question
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  Speaker 3: of why does that game feel empty at points we
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  Speaker 3: got this huge map, it was because they put they
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  Speaker 3: put so much data into building the actual game itself,
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  Speaker 3: and so the story features were a bit truncated. That's
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  Speaker 3: my best interpretation of his answer, but I think that
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  Speaker 3: was a huge takeaway for all of us on on
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  Speaker 3: the interview panel, going oh oh oh, I see okay,
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  Speaker 3: So there's like some real word ramifications of like, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we just don't have as much data s based on
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  Speaker 3: laser discs as you do. I mean, it's funny magnetic tape,
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  Speaker 3: what you use for VHS has now come back in
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  Speaker 3: as a major like storage data for like big big,
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  Speaker 3: like you know, nothing at a personal level, nobody's going
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  Speaker 3: back to VHS is here, but they use it because
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: it can you can put a lot more data on those.
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  Speaker 3: But you're not going to sell a new PS five
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  Speaker 3: or a PS six with magnetic cape capabilities. So you know,
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  Speaker 3: there's I just think it was really cool. There's the
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  Speaker 3: real life reasons behind why some of the things weren't
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  Speaker 3: as good or why they were good. Was one of
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  Speaker 3: the immediate things I noticed from both that game class
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  Speaker 3: that I took, and from the interview.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, that's really cool.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, it's really interesting.
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  Speaker 1: What an experience to be able to take a class
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  Speaker 1: with somebody like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. It was super cool.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah awesome.
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  Speaker 3: I still think he teaches them. I don't. I don't
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  Speaker 3: work for Elevator, but e l v t R No.
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  Speaker 3: E l v RT is the company, and I still
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  Speaker 3: think he teaches that class once a year, so people
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  Speaker 3: are interested, they can go.
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  Speaker 1: Is it in person or is it like a virtual.
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  Speaker 3: Thing a zoom. I think he's based out of Minnesota,
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  Speaker 3: so it's good. I'm I'm in California, so there's no
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  Speaker 3: way I was lepping out to Minnesota once a week. Wow.
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  Speaker 1: Very cool.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, thanks for sharing that, of course.
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  Speaker 1: So then you're gonna definitely have stuff to add throughout
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  Speaker 1: as we talk about some of these things.
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, So going a little bit back, so we already
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  Speaker 2: of course discussed the EA games and the Lego Harry
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  Speaker 2: Potter games. So unlike these film tie end games, Howard's
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  Speaker 2: Legacy was actually conceived as a standalone Wizarding World RPT,
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  Speaker 2: so that is, you know, a game designed to let
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  Speaker 2: players inhabit the setting. Without having to tell Retell Harry
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  Speaker 2: story beat four beat. So this was carried out under
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  Speaker 2: Porky Games, so Warner Brothers label for Wizarding World titles,
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  Speaker 2: and it quickly became the franchise's biggest gaming swing in
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  Speaker 2: terms of scope, budget, and overall impact as we've seen
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  Speaker 2: across social media and just in general how huge this
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  Speaker 2: game was when it was released. So a little bit
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  Speaker 2: about the you know, before the announcement, like we're going
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  Speaker 2: back a little bit in history. In January twenty seventeen,
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  Speaker 2: Warner Brothers acquired Avalanche Software, So this set the stage
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  Speaker 2: for the studio to take on a major project outside
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  Speaker 2: of its previous Disney related era, and Porky Games became
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  Speaker 2: the umbrella for Withering World games, some of which a
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  Speaker 2: lot of you are familiar with. Harry Potter, Hogwart's Mystery,
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  Speaker 2: Harry Potter Wizards Unite, Harry Potter Puzzles and Spells, Harry
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  Speaker 2: Potter Magic Awakened, and Harry Potter Quated Champions. And this
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  Speaker 2: Hogwart's Legacy obviously was intended as the defining three D
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  Speaker 2: immersive experience. So we already had a few games released
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  Speaker 2: under Portugy Games. I believe Hogwart's Mystery was released in
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  Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, early twenty eighteen, and Wizards Unite. I think
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  Speaker 2: even before that. It was during the Pokemon Go boom.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like it was around in late twenty
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  Speaker 1: seventeen or mid yeah, because I remember playing it at
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Miss Tican that year. Everyone was running around playing Wizards Unite.
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: It was a good game. Actually, I actually thoroughly enjoyed it,
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: but I didn't. I didn't really pay that much afterward,
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: and I guess many people didn't because they they discontinue
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: the game.
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, Well, the pandemic hit and it was like, Okay,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: we're not supposed to be leaving our houses, so we're
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: just sitting on our couch hoping something's nearby outside on
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: the sidewalk that we can capture.
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And we are going to be talking about the
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: Harry Potter mobile games as well, and so I'm sure
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: we're going to be touching more on these games in
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: a future episode. But yeah, and going back to the game,
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: A key creative goal here was to capture the faithful
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: faithfulness to the tone and recognizability of the source material,
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: while also expanding the world beyond well known iconic locations.
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: So this did meant not only exploring Hogwarts, but also
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: going beyond. So you have, like you said, Sam, this
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: huge map, like it's it's really gigantic, Like it's almost
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: it almost feels like, yeah, like there's no limit to
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: the map because you can just be flying on your
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: broomstick NonStop and just you know, you're always going to
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: end up in a camping site or in a village
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: or somewhere else. Like it's it's really really big.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: And it renders really quickly. Like that's one of the
• 21:05
  Speaker 3: big components is that you can be flying towards Hogwarts
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: and it just gets clearer and clearer and clearer at
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: a rapid speed depending on how powerful your system is.
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: But if you're using PS five specs or Xbox one
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: spex or better, the fact that the world just it
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: continues to be clear and you're not getting pixelated is
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: pretty remarkable for a game that size.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, yeah, especially on the Switch. Like the first
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: model that came out that the first version of the
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: game for Switch one, it did come with a lot
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: of that pixelate, pixelated and lack of depth of field.
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And now the switch to version has been such a
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: huge upgrade, like, well.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: The Switch Too is a massive piece of great technology
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: where they kept the handheld feel to it, but we're
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: able to increase their specs and their graphics cards so much.
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: It was so much more that it's it's better for
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: almost all things, including things like you know, Scarlet and
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: Violet at the Pokemon game that was so maligned for
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: the Switch one. Yes, that you now have working windmills
• 22:11
  Speaker 3: that don't look like they're gonna spin off and chop
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: your head off. So that's that's helpful. Yeah, absolutely, it's great.
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. My boyfriend is actually a fan Pokemon fan,
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: and he now that he has to Switch Too. He's like,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: oh my god, the upgrade has been tremendous, Like it's helpful. Yeah,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: And he was like, it's so bad because the damage
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: is already done. The game has the reputation it has
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: because of all these you know, flaws that it had
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: in the Switch one version. But now it's like if
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: it had only come out for Switch Too, then this
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: would have been a different story.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, and that's one of the reasons why
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: I took Hogwarts, Like is he's so long to get
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: on the Switch period, it's because they were like, how
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: on earth do we do this without? Because I think
• 22:52
  Speaker 3: it was rumored at one point in something an article
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: on game Central or something where it was like Hogwarts
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: Legacy currently would take up all all your memories are
• 23:01
  Speaker 3: on the switch one if you downloaded it right now,
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: and so they kept pushing out when they were putting
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: it on the switch.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah h yeah. That we talks about it being a
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: cloud yeah, cloud service game, so it would only be
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: played online or you know, and people are like freaking
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: out about that, but that wasn't the case. Fortunately. Yeah,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: we're gonna be talking a little bit about that.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: But as a switch user with Hogwart's Legacy, it runs
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: pretty smooth. I will say I was kind of surprised
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: after all the delays, but I was like, you know what, like,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not a gamer. I'm not going to go out
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: and buy a PlayStation just to play Hogwarts Legacy, Like
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: just wait it out.
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: Nice, that's awesome.
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. So one of the first important
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: early decisions was that they set the game in the
• 23:50
  Speaker 2: eighteen nineties, so this is kind of like roughly a
• 23:53
  Speaker 2: century before Harry Potter. So this allowed the writers to
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: avoid constantly colliding with the Protagon and our arcs of
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: that story, while still delivering the atmosphere that fans associate
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: with Hogwarts. And again, unlike the original EA games or
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: the Lego games, which centered on Harry's years at Hogwarts,
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: the pitch for Hogwarts Legacy was basically creating your own
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: story in the Wizarding World.
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: This was the best decision they ever could have made. Yeah,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: it agree, like, this is what makes this game so
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: good is the time that it's set. Like it's perfect
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: because you, I mean you have like little bits of recognition,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: like obviously the Headmaster, but yeah, you're not colliding with
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: things that you already know. It's very familiar but also new,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and it just works. It works for the whole thing well.
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: And it's interesting too. It's obviously very purposeful that they
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: choose eighteen early eighteen nineties because that is canonically before
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: Albus Dumbledore makes it to Hogwarts, and so you're not
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: dealing with any of the main characters. You are dealing
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: with a one side character that you get a little
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: bit of flavor of from his portrait, but you don't
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: actually know who he is. In Phineas Nigel's Black and
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: so you get that instant like, oh, the Headmaster's Phineas.
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: Oh that's fun. And then of course, as we is
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: known in the dock. Later we'll get to some of
• 25:17
  Speaker 3: the other characters and their last names and how they
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: coincide with it. But you get all of this great
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: sort of auxiliary information. Additionally, you have gotten the use
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: of trains. So there is the train station in Hogsmead.
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: They have already adopted the Hogwarts Express, so they haven't
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: gone too far back where you're like, wait, I'm in Hogsmead,
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: but there's no so for the layman fan, they're not
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: like what's going on. And additionally it's they've also put
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: in plumbing, so that's helpful in terms of like just
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: being able to run around and be like, oh, there
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: are bathrooms and look, I can find the Chamber of
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Secrets entrance. Isn't that cool? That's fun look at that.
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: And also then you don't have to learn a spell
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: to vanish your own poop from your robes. One of
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: the wildest thing that ever tweeted about out.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's actually great. It's I mean, it's great
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: that this was set and I think it's something that
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: The Fantastic Beast films collided a lot with the main storyline,
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: and I actually liked it, but I understand why. Many
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: times it felt like too much fan service as opposed
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: to actually telling a story that could work on its own.
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: And they did it really well with Mute story in
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: the first film, and then you know, they started kind
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: of like blurring the lines between Mute and Dumbledore slash Grinderwald,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: and you know, I think that ultimately led to the
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: franchisese Franchise's demise in somehow, among other things, of course,
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: but it was just the fact that it seemed like
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: it was two different stories that they kind of forced together.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: So it's nice to see that this is like so
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: far back, I.
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: Think you've you've you've hit it on the head there
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: right this the first movie is a Newt's Commander story.
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: It's essentially, to mention what we've already said, it's a
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: Pokemon Go story that happens at the very end sprinkling
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: a little like, oh, look at Grindwald, and then it
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: immediately shifts into becoming a Dumbledore Grindalwald story. And it
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: feels like we leave a lot of those wonderful characters
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: at the beginning to the side, and obviously there's you know,
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: Nut's future wife getting off to the side with more
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: of a real world issue. There were all sorts of
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: stuff that happened in the actual ramifications of like canceling
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: certain people not wanting to go and support them in
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: the theaters that kill off that story. But even with that,
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: even if you throw all that out, I think there
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: was dwindling interest because Newt's story was so incredible and
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: then we already kind of know. This is the problem
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: with prequels. Sometimes you know what's happening at the end,
• 27:45
  Speaker 3: so that you find with Dumbledore and Grindwald there are
• 27:48
  Speaker 3: no real stakes here. I know what's happening with these guys,
• 27:51
  Speaker 3: and I can suss out who Tina is based off
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: of my copy a fantastic piece of Where to Find Them.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: I know Nut's gonna be alive because the third movie
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: shows up on the Marauders map. So Jacob, I hope you.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: Live, Like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: Queenie, are you gonna be alive? Because zoe Satana is
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: not alive anymore? No, it wasn't Zoey Sandana, was it.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: It was kravit Ze Kravitz. Thank you yes, yeh Kravitz, Yeah,
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: real Astak little lives in it. Gosh, Okay, this isn't
• 28:23
  Speaker 3: speak bast I will not raise that from the from
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: the ashes of the podcast, but yeah, I think they
• 28:30
  Speaker 3: did a really great job here of giving you a
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: unique story in a unique setting that was still familiar.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: M hmm yeah, yeah, absolutely so a little bit going
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: back to the announcement era because this was filt like
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: an era because it happened. It was a long time
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: between the announcement and the game being released. But this
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: goes all the way back to twenty eighteen. So there
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: had been already rumors and speculation about a potential RPG
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: game based in the Wizarding World. So obviously Warner Brothers
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: acquisition of Avalanche Software opened the door to that possibility,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: and before anything was made official in October twenty eighteen,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: there was an unofficial game trailer leaked on Reddit and
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: it showed character creation, spell casting, magical creatures, and exploration,
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: which was a very surprising leak, to be honest, in
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: something that you wouldn't expect to kind of like, you know,
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: get exposed so early on. But I think we all
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: remember that trailer when it came out and people like,
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: you know, they were like, it's just realist, It's not
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: real is it, Like that's a leak.
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: You know who remembers that leak very well is Adrian Rop.
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: We asked him about this on the podcast. We said,
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: one of our questions, it was unfortunate Ev who was
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: is one of the hosts Ofvert three Broomstick's big hogwarts,
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: like a UC fan, and we just couldn't make it
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: work with her being in Ireland and us doing a
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: Midwest time on a weeknight, and so she couldn't make it.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: But one of her main questions was did this leak
• 30:09
  Speaker 3: give you guys a sense of pressure to get the
• 30:10
  Speaker 3: game moving get out earlier? And Adrian said no, that
• 30:15
  Speaker 3: that didn't rush timetables, didn't rush what we were trying
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: to do with the game, because we we wanted to
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: make it as good as possible. And then he went
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: on a pretty you know, condemning little monologue about how
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: unprofessional that was and that this is months and years
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: of people's work and to put out an unfinished product
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: on an unapproved timeline was just incredibly unprofessional. And they
• 30:41
  Speaker 3: know who the guy is, and and that guy knows
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: who he is and everything, but it's really one of
• 30:48
  Speaker 3: the most unprofessional things that he's seen. So he was
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: very very unhappy. And you know, I always I always
• 30:53
  Speaker 3: think of leaks on the side of the fan, which
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: is like, oh, whoa, that's cool, I'm glad to know
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: that information sometimes, But from the professional side is the
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: first time that I'd really heard somebody be like this,
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: this isn't the way that we wanted to launch it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: This isn't the way that we wanted people to see it.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: We wanted them to have this, this, this, and this.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: So that was he was really mad about that.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: One. Wos so weird too, because what would you even
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: get out of that leaking it a.
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: Good relationship with the journalist, I think. I think it's
• 31:19
  Speaker 3: all about what when you're leaking information. So I would
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: gather that this is more of a higher up leak
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: than it is like somebody working on avalanche games. Because
• 31:28
  Speaker 3: you see this in the journalist game that if you
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: can get a journalist sort of on your side, that
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: journalist therefore doesn't write as many rude articles about you.
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: So this happens in the NBA or sports all the time.
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: Ramona Shelburn can get all of this great information about
• 31:41
  Speaker 3: the Lakers because she has an awesome relationship with former
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: owners Genie Buss. But she then also will never write
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: a rude article about Genie. So what is Genie Bus
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: get out of it a protection of one of her
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: local journalists. But then also the world gets this incredible
• 31:57
  Speaker 3: information that Genie wants to put out in the world
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: about the Lakers. So I think I think this was
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: probably a higher up Warner Brothers thing than it was
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: an Avalanche game thing.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah that makes sense.
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Huh yeah interesting. So obviously, like Warner Brothers did not
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: comment on these leagues, and it was not until September
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty that the game was officially announced, and from
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: the start it was as we already discussed, it was
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: framed as a large scale action RPG game, so it
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: came along with a trailer, which you know, was pretty
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: pretty awesome. I remember seeing it being like, oh, this
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: game is going to be huge, like, you know, this
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: is definitely going to be worth the time, the waiting time,
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: and it was. Yeah, it was very exciting.
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: Really, I think this game, that trailer and the game sales,
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: early game sales really sort of saved to the future.
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: Of Harry Potter at Warner Brothers. With all of the
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: fantastic these things falling off, I think there was a
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: real question of like, are fans done with this? And
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: then there was that huge reaction to the Jim Dale trailer. Right,
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: so we get Jim Dale, the US reader for the
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: audio books, coming in and that was something that Adrian
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: Rop specifically had to argue for. They didn't want to
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: pay jim Dale's rates and he was like, you guys
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: don't understand. This guy's huge in the Harry Potter world,
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: especially in the States, so having him come and do
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: this trailer is going to mean a lot. So they
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: eventually pushed forward with it, and I think there was
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: a good reaction to Jim Dale's voicing the trailer of that,
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: But then also because of their sales, this is when
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: new CEO of Warner brother comes and said, we want
• 33:40
  Speaker 3: more Harry Potter content, Let's recreate fans. This is when
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: you get this big reaction off the game is what
• 33:47
  Speaker 3: really starts the conversations about let's make a show.
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: What's really interesting though, is the success of Hogwart's Legacy
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: to me shows that there is still an appetite for
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: are stories that are spin offs, right, like not the
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: main story rehashed over and over. It's clear that people
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: want the world extended and they're willing to consume that
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: if done correctly. So it's interesting that the reaction from
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: that success was, well, let's go back and rehash the
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: seven books.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Again, and I like that's what yes, And I think
• 34:29
  Speaker 3: that's because they want to create a new era of
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: fans and there's two things going in their literacy. Oh
• 34:35
  Speaker 3: my gosh, let me resay that literacy rates are plummeting
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: in the United States, and so the idea of let's write,
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: let's put out more books is not a thing that
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Warner Brothers wants to do, especially because they're not in
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: the book game. They want to recreate their fans. So
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: what are they going to do that with, Well, let's
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: put out a television show. People watch television show. They
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: do short form content more than they're doing law and
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: form content. So movies aren't the answer either. Let's get
• 35:00
  Speaker 3: a new whole new generation of Jen Alpha and Jen
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Beta interested in this show, and therefore I will I
• 35:06
  Speaker 3: would put a lot of money down on the fact
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: that we will get somewhere around season four, Season five
• 35:11
  Speaker 3: of The Harry Potter Show announcements about spinoffs where they're
• 35:14
  Speaker 3: gonna capitalize during because that was something that they learned
• 35:17
  Speaker 3: from Game of Thrones is that it's harder to get
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: a spinoff going after the show is done. It's easier
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: to get it moving while the main show is running.
• 35:26
  Speaker 3: So I would gather that they are trying there. They
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: want to do more spinoffs. I'm sure we'll get a
• 35:31
  Speaker 3: Hot Gards Legacy two, et cetera, et cetera. We'll get spinoffs,
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: maybe not Xenophilias Love Good running a paper like the
• 35:38
  Speaker 3: office style, but something like that I would love. I
• 35:42
  Speaker 3: would watch that so much. You can get gym from
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: the office playing Xenophilis Love Good. That'd be great. But
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: I'm sure that we'll get more spinoffs after they re
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: establish their IP.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that makes sense.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: So it was. The game was built on unreal engine
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: for with emphasis on modern presentation, so this included detailed environments,
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: bel effects, and broad exploration, and the estimated production cost
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: was widely reported at one hundred and fifty million, which
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: signaled a blockbuster level investment. For sure. One hundred and
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: fifty million is it's quite as quite a budget to
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: have for for a video game, really, but yeah, like
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: they were really putting all of their stakes in this,
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: Like it was you know, kind of like them really
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: betting and believing in the idea of this game and
• 36:38
  Speaker 2: being like, you know, like you said, Amy, like this
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: is you know, we're investing in something that's in the
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Wizarding World, but it's not Harry Potter, and it's pretty
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: far off from being Harry Potter. So how is the
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: you know, how are the fans, how is the public
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: going to react to this? But it seems like the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: premise was there and it was very promising and they
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: actually did take that leap of faith, but you know,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: and you know, in all and they actually the outcome
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: was you know, in their favor at the end of
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: the day. So it's very much it's also really appreciated
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: that they that they took it. So when Howard's Legacy
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: was first laid it for twenty twenty one, the team
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: pushed it back to twenty twenty two. So here's when
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: the delays start happening. They said that they needed more
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: time to deliver the experience at the quality level that
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: fans expected, so it slipped again into February tenth, twenty
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: twenty three, for PC, PlayStation five, Xbox Series x S
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: and with the same reasoning, so more development time, you know,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: means having that extra time to make the game feel
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: right at launch and not having as many like needs
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: for you know, there being like patches released and just
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: having this mooth game from the get go, which ultimately
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: is good, it's bad for the momentum, like people are
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: so anxious and we want everything by yesterday now, and
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: so it is a little bit like it's hard to
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: wait so much. But then it's like, Okay, it was
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: worth it was worth it, and in the end it
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: wasn't like something, you know, like it wasn't that long
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: after all.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: I think that these are I'm so glad that the
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: game came out the way it is. I'll carry out
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: that first. It's the fact that it did super well.
• 38:30
  Speaker 3: I think there are no regrets in terms of actually
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: putting in the delays. I do wonder as one of
• 38:36
  Speaker 3: the bigger what ifs in the video game industry twenty
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: twenty one, when it was originally slated for is when
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: we're all inside our houses all waiting for new video
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: games to play. I mean tons of thousands of hours
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: are being played on Starde Valley, on Animal Crossing, on
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: old video games, and I just wonder what the hype
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: would have been like in twenty twenty one had this
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: game come out during COVID while we're all in our houses.
• 39:01
  Speaker 3: I remember my friend Christian and I who's been on
• 39:04
  Speaker 3: as a guest with three broomsticks, when I would send
• 39:07
  Speaker 3: him articles about Hogwarts I see all the time, and
• 39:10
  Speaker 3: one of them was big delay moved to twenty twenty two,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: and he just goes right, because we all don't want
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: to play an awesome game video game right now while
• 39:17
  Speaker 3: we're stuck inside. And so I think that is one
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: of the bigger what ifs, Like is this game even
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: bigger if it is completely good, ready to go by
• 39:26
  Speaker 3: twenty twenty one during COVID.
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: It's so funny with all these delays, because if there's
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: one thing about the Harry Potter fandom, it's the fact
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: that we all will doom spiral very quickly. Right, So,
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: remember when these delays were happening, and everyone's like, Oh,
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: this game's gonna be horrible, it's gonna be the worst
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: thing ever. They can't even handle putting it out and
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: then it comes out we're all like.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: Ooh, we like this, oh shiny? Yeah, absolutely, yeah, And okay,
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: going back into the delays, So and we were talking
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: about this earlier, touched on this, but the delays also
• 40:08
  Speaker 4: became platform specific, So PlayStation four Xbox one were pushed
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: to May fifth, twenty twenty three, and Nintendo Switch, which
• 40:16
  Speaker 4: was I think the console that most had to wait
• 40:18
  Speaker 4: for this game by far, was moved to November fourteenth,
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty three.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Again the same statement about needing that additional time to
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: polish the game and to make it because it's a
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: third party game as well, so they need to adapt
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: it onto their console, and they needed them to be
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: happy with the game from the start and not. And
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: people were actually very surprised, you know, positively surprised by
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: how good it turned out to be. And then a
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: Nintendo Switch to version launched on June fifth, twenty twenty five,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: and its position as an enhanced edition with improved performs
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: and loading and yeah, so yeah, the Switch did have
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: like those like you had to for instance, when you
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: were entering Hawks Meat, you had to there was this
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: map that had to look like the loading screens and
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: now like you can go in and out of hawks
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: Meat without having that, so really, oh yeah.
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah is far better experience.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: I bought a switch with the one purpose of playing
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: Hogwarts Legacy, and that was why I bought my switch,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: And then I was stuck waiting until November. I was like, well,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: fund other.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: Games now, but what other games did you find?
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: Animal Crossing obviously fantastic game, Big Dreamlight Valley player.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: I love dream Light Valley. Get me all of those
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: magic thorns. I want them gone.
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: Love my cozy games, you know.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah, have you played Stardy Valley?
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: Then I tried to Okay, not your cup of Team Yeah,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: which I think is a very unpopular opinion. People love
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: that game so much. But I just I don't know.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: I just I wasn't wasn't yeh it is.
• 42:11
  Speaker 3: It is definitely like a system building game where you
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: basically build an engine the entire time and that never stops,
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: and that can be quite tiresome. But you have saved
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: yourself the angst of waiting for a Haunted Chocolate Tier,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: which is his next game that he announced too early
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: and now it won't come out until like twenty thirty.
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: So everyone, everyone, Hogwarts Legacy well, it's only that he's.
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: Only one man. Wow that builds this game.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: So well, I guess he's got a reason.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: Got to give it to him.
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: Yeah, apparently.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: So moving on to a little bit about the setting. So,
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: as we touched on, this is set in the eighteen
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: nineties at Hogwarts and surrounding areas. So this includes Hawkspeed
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: that forbid in forest and the wider Scottish Highlands. And
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: this also includes fortresses, abandoned, ruined, and small villages, all
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: which come with quests and challenges. So you begin the
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: game as a fifteen year old wizard or witch who
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: is starting school laid as a fifth year student with
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: the rare ability to perceive and wield ancient magic. So
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: the core narrative question of the game is why this
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: magic is resurfacing and who is trying to exploit it?
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: And this is a very interesting point, like I don't
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: think I remember our character having a background story that much.
• 43:34
  Speaker 2: Like you're just thrown into the wizarding world and it's like, hey,
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: you're fifteen and you're just going to get sorted into
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: Hogwarts and you know, and it's like, you know, what
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: is my story? Where am I coming from? Why am
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: I only, you know, attending Hogwarts at this age.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Did I know.
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: About the Wizarding World before I must develop this magic?
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: None of that, None of that is explained at all.
• 43:58
  Speaker 3: The it's Bella from Twilight syndrome. They want you to
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: project yourself onto this character as much as humanly possible,
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: and so that's I think that's why they don't do that.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: They it seems like, you know a little bit because
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: you're not constantly going, what do you mean dragons exist?
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: What do you mean? What are these things that are festials?
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: What there's a wand what's inside of it? Is it
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: chocolate or is it a human finger? What's going on?
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: Like none of that happens, So it seems like you
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: know a little bit. It seems like you you've just
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: been seen as a squib and and it comes in.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: But they you're right, they don't ever tell you, hello,
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: you're from Kent.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: And also like even in the Pokemon games, going back
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: to Pokemon, but like you have your you know you
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: you you always have this starting point. You're moving into
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: this new you know region and you have you know,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: you're coming with your mother and you have like that
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: tiny story. It's not too much. But it's just a
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: basic info to get started. And then it's like you
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: only you even have your own name and you you know,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: there's not much information about you. So I think they
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: could have maybe try to go down that lane. But
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: it would have been cool at least to see your
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: character receiving his Hobwartz letter. That would have been, yeah,
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: like a cutscene or something like introducing you where you
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: were from and just you know what made you, you know,
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: end up in this in this situation. But I think
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: it's part it's part of that that you know, Samy
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: Manshell like us being like ourselves yea, and we're like
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: thrown into this world.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: Well yeah, in Pokemon, right, they they give you just
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: enough to make sure that you're traumatized in adulthood because
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: I'm ten years old and you threw me out into
• 45:38
  Speaker 3: the grass with dangerous beasts. That that is always frightening.
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: So I think that projections a huge deal and a
• 45:46
  Speaker 3: part of it in terms of cut scenes. The video
• 45:48
  Speaker 3: game industry is really quite odd because I think it's
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: something only like forty six percent of players actually make
• 45:53
  Speaker 3: it to the end of a video game that they buy,
• 45:56
  Speaker 3: and so video and companies do not like paying for
• 45:59
  Speaker 3: cut scenes at the end. They like paying for cutscenes
• 46:01
  Speaker 3: at the beginning. So a trick of the trade is
• 46:04
  Speaker 3: to get all of your cut scenes for the end
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: made first. So by the time the head honchos go,
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: you know, I don't know that we need this cutscene,
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: you go, well, it's already made. Do you just want
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: us to waste that money? And they go, oh, okay,
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: never mind, never mind, will put it in the game.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: So I think that's one of the reasons why we
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: get not as many cut scenes at the beginning as
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: you might think. So instead of getting the Hogwarts letter
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: being handed to your character, they just give you the
• 46:30
  Speaker 3: Hogwart letter at the beginning, right, It's like one of
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: the first things that comes up after you say I
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: want to start a new game, and that's fascinating. But
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: it would have been cool to like, hey, am I
• 46:40
  Speaker 3: in a although maybe they didn't want to do like
• 46:42
  Speaker 3: a Charles Dickens London apartment where you're like, why is
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: Gonzo outside my window? Is Mapu's Christmas Carol being filmed
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: right now? So maybe they didn't want to do that.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm also guessing regarding cut scenes, your character.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Since it's so personalized, you know, there's this endless possibilities
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: of variations that they would have had to like, so yeah, yeah,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: so it makes it almost like really hard. But then
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: you think about there are cut scenes where your character's there,
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: so you know it's and it's your own avatar. So yeah, yeah,
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: it's it's It's definitely something that would have been nice
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: to have like a little add on and just kind
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: of like to give you a little bit more background
• 47:31
  Speaker 2: in your story. But yeah, I think it's it's not
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: it's not essential either, Like it doesn't take away from
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: the experience of the game, right totally. So, speaking of
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: this little background, the plot, so the story kicks off
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: with this dramatic incident that involves an artifact, a port
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: key escaped, a port key escape, and discovery that you
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: can see traces of ancient magic. So you're pulled into Hawkwarts,
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: Hidden History, the Map Chamber, and four portrait guys known
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: as the Keepers. So you complete four trials, each revealing
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: pensive memories tied to Isidora Morganach not sure if I'm
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: butchering that last name. Morganoch, thank you, a witch whose
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: pursuit of removing pain became dangerously power driven, and the
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: endgame coverages converges sorry on the repository of ancient magic.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: So rand Rock, who is the main antagonist in this story,
• 48:34
  Speaker 2: reaches it, absorbs its power, and the finale escalates into
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: this large boss confrontation and your final choice is basically
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: to seal the power away or claim it, followed by
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: a return to school life, outprep, companion arcs, and house
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Cup wrap up. So, having half said that, we should
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: probably add this disclaimer of spoiler alert on the way. Sorry, sorry,
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: but yeah, that's a little bit of it. The plot
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: overview in general terms.
• 49:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the story kicking off in dramatic fashion
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: has the best use of thestals that I've seen, which
• 49:17
  Speaker 3: we've only seen like maybe two different versions of Festals
• 49:20
  Speaker 3: maybe if they're even in uh Fantastic Beast, I don't remember.
• 49:24
  Speaker 3: But that use of there's a big dragon attack at
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: the beginning, a man is killed during it, but you
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: don't actually see the body, but your avatar suddenly can
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: see the thestals I found a very effective and cool
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: use to bring us into the world instantly and have
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: a rather kid friendly version of death.
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: M hm, yeah, yeah, there's a lot going on with
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: the plot. I mean, obviously the ancient magic stuff is
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: like the big one, right, but then you've also got
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: the whole goblins stuff going on. You've got the the
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: Watch McCollums, poachers going on, You've got like all these
• 50:09
  Speaker 1: different things.
• 50:10
  Speaker 3: Spider's on the loose everywhere.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So it is interesting because there's multiple different
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: like bad guys. I guess throughout this game that you're
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: dealing with all at once. On your little wandering.
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: You're always in perils once you leave the school grounds.
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: It's like you know you're you're about to face a
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: spider or this camp of you know, evil wizards, or
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: then you know, you just jump into this goblin fortress
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: and you have to. You know, you have fifteen goblins
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: haming at you and it's impossible to escape.
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: It's a quarrel in my head control beneath your broomstick.
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: It is interesting that in this version of Harry Potter,
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: which I'm not sure this version of Harry Potter is
• 51:03
  Speaker 3: canonical mainly to do just with the inclusions of the
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Gaunts and Salas, are Slytherin's Little broom covered. But I
• 51:12
  Speaker 3: do think that it's fascinating that they were like, yeah,
• 51:15
  Speaker 3: in the eighteen nineties, it wasn't just Hogsmead, it was
• 51:18
  Speaker 3: kind of this whole region of Scotland was magical and
• 51:21
  Speaker 3: you could kind of just have magic wherever you wanted
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: to go. And so because of this experiment with spider's
• 51:28
  Speaker 3: gone wrong, this person who brought them in has been
• 51:30
  Speaker 3: killed in her basement and now all these spiders are loose,
• 51:33
  Speaker 3: and because the goblins are in the midst of maybe
• 51:37
  Speaker 3: causing a revolution, there are allowed to be trolls up here,
• 51:40
  Speaker 3: and we're gonna have hippogriffs, which are really out of
• 51:43
  Speaker 3: grease and not supposed to be in the UK flying around.
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: And even though the acromantula haven't been brought up here,
• 51:50
  Speaker 3: here's three that you can run into in the game.
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: And you're just like, what is happening? Why are there's
• 51:56
  Speaker 3: so many things for me to And we asked Agent
• 51:59
  Speaker 3: about it, because we had two reactivephobes on the interview
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: panel as well, including myself, going why were there so
• 52:06
  Speaker 3: many spiders in this game? And he said it comes
• 52:10
  Speaker 3: from game theory, which is you need to have button
• 52:13
  Speaker 3: mashing throughout your game while you travel. You have to
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: have a reason why somebody would want to hit some
• 52:19
  Speaker 3: buttons constantly, and they didn't think it was responsible to
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: have it be humans all the time, because the game
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: can get pretty gruesome if you're just especially if you
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: choose to learn about a cadavra, you could just go
• 52:30
  Speaker 3: around and kill people all the time. And so they
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: were like, well, spiders are you know, a pretty interesting thing,
• 52:38
  Speaker 3: and so they put that in, not realizing that a
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: grand amount of Harry Potter fans do not like spiders,
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: like Ron Weasley, and that they were eventually going to
• 52:47
  Speaker 3: have to put in a modification for a rectifhobe mode.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's really a thing.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah you can, so you can go into the settings
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: and toggle it and it turns into yeah, it turns
• 53:00
  Speaker 3: into what Ron Weasley in the movies turns the acromnsula into.
• 53:05
  Speaker 3: So it gives them like roller blades, and they have
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: like an invisible outline, but you don't actually have to
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: see like the eyes and fangs and everything. And this
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: is this is one of the reasons why Irvin on
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: Three Broomsticks, the founder of that podcast, he wouldn't play
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: the game. As soon as they got to spiders. He
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: was done he could not handle it, and then they
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: turned I showed him how to do aractive poot mode.
• 53:25
  Speaker 3: He went, great, I can finally play this game now.
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: And interestingly, from a video game standpoint from the industry,
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: there was another game that did it that year as well.
• 53:34
  Speaker 3: There was a sequel to a Star Wars video game
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: called Jedi Survivor, where one of the main planets that
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: you have to be on had spider looking aliens and
• 53:44
  Speaker 3: you could now go in and toggle a ractophobe mode.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: And we asked Asian about that too, like, did you
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: guys work together to figure out, Oh, my gosh, we've
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: got too many spiders things? And he said, no is
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: but it is in the industry picking up on something.
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: So there was just a lot of complaints, right, And
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: this is the cool part of social media is that
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: you do get voices putting genuine complaints out there and
• 54:05
  Speaker 3: people being able to respond to them. And so those two,
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: for the first time ever had a rachnophobe modes.
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: Wow, hmmm, huh, yeah, pretty awesome. Yeah. I also go
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: back to like you always feeling like in danger because
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: it's like I'm supposed to be like in this world
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: that you know, I'm somehow protected, you know, and i
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: feel like I'm in this safe world, and I'm like, yeah,
• 54:35
  Speaker 2: Harry definitely didn't go through all of this when he
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: was in his years at Hogwarts and having you know,
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: like multiple camp sides of people wanting to kill him
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: and spiders everywhere and trolls on the loose, and it's
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: like it feels like a dangerous time period at least,
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: you know, to be a student.
• 54:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe this is why they say no safer place than Hogwarts,
• 54:58
  Speaker 3: because in his game, that's fairly true. There is no
• 55:01
  Speaker 3: safer place than when you're in the castle. As soon
• 55:03
  Speaker 3: as you get outside the castle grounds, I'm in fatal terror.
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So moving a little bit into the characters, because
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: this is one of the most interesting parts of the game.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: So you have a central ally who is Professor Eliazar
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: Figg I hope I'm saying it right. Who is your
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: mentor and narrative anchor. So he's also the magical theory
• 55:33
  Speaker 2: teacher at Howkwarts and he and his wife, Miriam's lives
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: were entangled with the search of ancient magic before she
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: passed away. And when Miriam was killed, you're in one
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: of her travels he felt guilt ridden and responsible because
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: he was not there to save her, and resolved to
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: both uncover how and why she died, as well as
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: finishing her work. So this is probably the most you're
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: probably the most important character you're tied to during the game.
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: He's like you're i'd say, like you're Dumbledore somehow. And yeah,
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: he's always the one who's kind of like, I feel
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: like he's the one who progresses the story forward. Whenever
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: you go to him, it's like, this is how the
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: story is going to progress, because otherwise you can just
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: be on side quest all the time. Yeah, and not
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: like move and so yeah, I feel like this is
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: a very very central character to the plot. And yeah,
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to play the game to see how
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: it ends, but yeah, and then we have other Howard staff,
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: which includes characters like Matilda Weasley. She's the one who
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: escorts you to your common room. So whether you're in
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: gryffindor Slytherin, Ravenclaw or Hufflepuff, she's the one who's going
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: to escort you and just skill view this kind of
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: like warm welcome. And you also have head Master Phineas
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: Nigerleiu's Black who is not quite the hat Master you
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: would imagine after having being used to Dumbledore.
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: But he's very much in line with the Headmaster that
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: you meet in his portrait. The fact that he starts
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: off by canceling Quidditch for the whole season a we they,
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Adrian said, when we asked him about why did did
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: you cancel Quidditch because this quidditch video game was coming out,
• 57:28
  Speaker 3: he said, no, we canceled it because we just didn't
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: have room for it. Oh and so that that was
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: like they didn't have the ability to also give you
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: a quidditch experience in this game. So you still get
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: to fly around in your broomstick quite a bit. And
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: I guess you could pretend you can fly out to
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: the field and pretend like you're holding a kwafflin go
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: from end to end as if you're a solo quidditch player.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: But it is a I think it's, you know, very
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: they found a great way in line to get rid
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: of something that they couldn't do for a game purpose,
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: as well as you get to meet this terrible Headmaster
• 58:03
  Speaker 3: and find little tidbits about him throughout the way. You know,
• 58:06
  Speaker 3: if you sneak into the Headmaster's office, You're gonna find
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: a little letter about his terrible relationship with his wife.
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: It's it's great and it all makes perfect sense for him.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely, Yeah, And I you know, I think targetting
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: back to the whole you know, plot line, how you know,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: do you feel how much creative freedom did they actually
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: have to develop these stories and how much of approval
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: they need from the author, because you know, I don't
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: know when it comes to these games that are so
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: independent and that have their own identity, how much is
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: part of their creative input. How much is it background
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: information that they might have from the archives from JK. Rowling,
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: or how much is it Like you know, it's very
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: interesting to see that because we see a lot of
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: these games have their own stories and their own or
• 59:00
  Speaker 2: overarcing story. So yeah, I'm just really curious about to
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: see like how much of it is.
• 59:05
  Speaker 3: Like my best understanding is that Rolling had very little
• 59:08
  Speaker 3: to do with this game period, and that poor Key Games,
• 59:11
  Speaker 3: which was working with them, right, they sort of are
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: the overseers of canon and overseers of what makes sense
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: for the world of what doesn't make sense for the world.
• 59:19
  Speaker 3: So that's why everything in this world sort of makes
• 59:23
  Speaker 3: like they're pretty tight about Like, if you wanted to
• 59:25
  Speaker 3: make this game canon, with some exceptions, in my head
• 59:28
  Speaker 3: you could, you could consider this canonical. It doesn't mess
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: with anybody's storylines. All the spells seem very realistic, the
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: the characters that you're mailing into right, Like, it's not
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: Ron's exact lineage for Matilda Weasley, it's like an aunt
• 59:45
  Speaker 3: or a cousin or something of that nature. So I
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: think rolling had very little to do with this. They do.
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: And but Adrian Wright was a huge Harry Potter fan
• 59:56
  Speaker 3: and knew the world back to front, and so he
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: said when they pitched this game, they had done everything
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 3: to make it as tight as possible, and that was
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 3: one of the reasons why they were chosen, was because
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: it was already so tightly fixed to what canon was, right,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 3: And so that's my best understanding of Like how independent
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 3: were they allowed to be? I think they were allowed
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: to be fairly independent, but they had done the research
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 3: to make sure that they could do that, right.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's trust is because of what they
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: had already presented.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: YEA, yeah, yeah, best case scenario indeed, I really think.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 3: So you get creative freedom, but you've already limited yourself,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: rather than somebody going, now, you can't do this, No
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: you can't do this, No you can't do this.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: So it seems a little bit like Jack Thorne's Cursed
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 3: Child where they went and got they went and had
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 3: an interview with Rolling personally where she gave approval on
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: several things, and then they wrote the play around that.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: So it seems like they were they sort of were
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: given thumbs up at the beginning to make their.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Game, which is which is great because like I think about, well,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 2: going off topic, but I think about this TV show
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: that I watched with Cobra Kai, which is kind of
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: like the sequel to Karate Kid Karate Kid, and they
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: were actually fans of the original trilogy. So it's like
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: they were able to bring even though it wasn't by
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 2: the same writer that created these these first films, they
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: were able to do something that was, you know, really
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: really top notch quality, and it was it feels one
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: hundred percent canon. So many times, the fans are the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: best hands you can leave these stories too, honestly, because
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: they really care about the story. They care about what's canon,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: what's not canon, what's possible, what is like, you know,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: what is this character's intentions? Would they do this? Would
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: they not do this? When you know something inside out
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: and you have been so invested in it, I think
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: it's the only the best thing can come out of that.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Most of the times are so yeah, And.
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: I think it shows like when you are truly a
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: fan of something and you create something to go with it,
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: it's obvious, and it's obvious that with this game there
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: were people involved who really knew the world rather than
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: just going for it, you know, as a cash grab
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: and like yeah, so it makes a big difference.
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 3: Well, and I think it's interesting too because it does
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 3: work a little bit into like something like Hogwarts Mystery.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 3: So the elements in Hogwarts Mystery around the Architect, where
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 3: the architect is the holder of this ancient magic, and
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 3: then you get to see some of the some of
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 3: the settings that they include in Hogwarts Mystery which were
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: unique make their way into Hogwarts legacy like that. So
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 3: there there clearly is some maybe you consider it a
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 3: separate canon like some people like there's movie canon, there's
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: book canon, and now there's video game canon. So perhaps
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: if you're thinking that way, it's definitely canonical inside the
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 3: video game canon, because you know there's all of this
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: stuff around. Your little avatar in Hogwarts Mystery knows a
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: little bit about the architect, and now your avatar in
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 3: Hogwarts Legacy knows a lot about the architect.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: So I think I didn't that.
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, cool. I only know that because I got
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 3: to year five of Hogwarts Mystery. Uh, and then my
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 3: game completely crashed and I have never been able to
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 3: reopen it, which is the sad part for me. I
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: know I did.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: Here's my patience.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, the energy, the the eight hour wait that they
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: hit you with two moves into the game. Yes, yeah, ridiculous.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was. It was really bad
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: in that. In that regard, I think there was this
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: what was it? Was it a that you were stuck
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: in this like Devil Snare Devil Snare that I think
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: I was stuck there like for a week, like I
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: didn't even I.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 3: Gotta tell you, Yeah, at Double Snare for eight hours
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: you were dead past past five minutes. You're oh, I'm
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 3: stuck your for eight hours? No no, no, you're dead. Six
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: minutes you're dead, an hour, you're dead. It doesn't matter,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 3: Like I'm stuck there forever I'm done. Yeah, and that's
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: the way a bunch of game players stop playing the game.
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm still surprised. It's been going on
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: for so many years, and there seems to be a
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: very it seems to have formed it so niche of fans,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: and it's pretty strong, like it's going it's still going strong,
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 2: I'd say.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 3: I'd say that's because they do. Phone video games have
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 3: this what I feel is almost unethical. It's this addictive
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: gamer quality to it, where they go for these prizes
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 3: constantly that are you are either putting in maximum amount
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 3: of effort so you are setting a time or to
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 3: remind yourself that in three hours this is done, or
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: you're paying attention to your phone so much. And they're
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: really hooking, especially kids whose prefrontal cortexes aren't stop developing,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: so they're still in lizard brain mode where they're like, ooh, color,
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 3: that seems fun. And if you're allowed to play these
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 3: games constantly, then you're getting hooked. And then if, especially
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 3: if you're allowed an unlimited amount of funds by parents
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 3: or your parents don't know that you're paying for stuff,
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 3: then you able to get all of these loot drops
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 3: because they're constantly doing loot drops in order to make
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 3: as much money. So that game, from my understanding, makes
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 3: a ton of money because they're like, oh my gosh,
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 3: I get a new pet and this time it's got
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 3: like a rainbow pattern. But that's only unique if I
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: do the maximum amount of this, or I can get
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: this new outfit and everything like that. So it's a
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 3: really cool game. And also they're doing this phone behavior
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 3: that is like based on literal Gambler's addiction dopamine effects.
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: So not my favorite thing in the planet, one of
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 3: the reasons why I kind of don't go back to
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: play it, but it is it still comes with some
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: neat information and it's, yeah, as you said, a fairly
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: strong game for a consumer base.
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely. So okay, going get a little bit
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 2: back into the characters. So do you have companion quest lines,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 2: which of course are a big pillar in this game,
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 2: and you know, you have very prominent students, so I
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: was to call them that way. So you have Sebastian Sallow,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 2: who is a brilliant and driven Slytherin who pulls you
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: into high stakes tory line involving forbidden magic and a
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: desperate attempt to save a particular member of his family,
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 2: I'd say, and he Yeah, he takes you on some
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: kind of like feels like a little illegal quest or
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: at least against the rules, and right off the bat,
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 2: and he kind of like sees your potential early on,
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 2: and you know, yeah.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: He's something.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, dedicated, one might say. Yeah, Yeah, dedicated for sure, immoral,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: unethical possibly possibly Yeah, and also the only completely finished
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 3: game story for a side character Sebastians. Well, I'll talk
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 3: a little bit more about Poppy and Natty in a second,
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 3: but it is the I think he's the best side
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 3: character because they were able to do literally everything that
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: they wanted with him.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 2: M then have Ominous Gaunt, who is Sebastian's close friend. Yeah,
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: he's kind of like seft, smoking and wary of the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: dark arts, so he often serves as the moral kind
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 2: of like counterweight in that storyline. Yeah, he's a bit,
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: i'd say, a less prominent character than probably others, but
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 2: he's there, same as uh Poppy Sweeting Hope, I'm saying
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 2: the name right, Sweeting, And she's a kind fearless hufflepuff
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 2: with a deep bond to magical beasts. So here we
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 2: have a little not too mute uh, focused on protecting
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: them from poachers and exploitation. She's a really cute character
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 2: and she's.
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: Got an interesting twist to her story too that you
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: find out pretty late on, which is is kind of cool.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: Didn't see it coming, so yeah, mm hmm.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: Next up, we have that si on I. She's a
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 2: bold transfer Gryffindor student who's adjusting to a new school
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: and culture, and she pushes you into confronting threats in
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 2: the Highlands, driven by a strong sense of right and
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: wrong Verry Gryffindor and I love her. She I chose
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 2: her to be, Yeah, I chose her to be my
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: companion to go on my first trip to hogs meat
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 2: over Sebastian. Sebastian had his appeal, but I was like, no,
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: I have to go with my girl. Like she's a
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 2: Gryffindor too, Like I have to just kind of like
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: tag along. And she feels like homb somehow. She feels
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 2: very much you know, like you. You'd hit it off
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: right off the bat with her and she'd be my friend.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: Sure, And this was kind of a cool way to
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: give a nod to the other Wizarding Schools as well
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: because Waga Do. Yeah, she transferred from Waggadoo, which is
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: kind of cool, and you get like little tidbits of
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: info from her about Waggadoo.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 2: I love that that you can ask those class find
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: questions and be like, oh, tell me more about it,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: and tell me and what's this and what's that? And
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 2: she gives you this ton of information. Yeah, that you
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: can choose to know or not know. But that's what
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: I love about this game. A lot of the aspects
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: of it. It's all you know at free will, like
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: you are going to know as much as you want
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 2: to like, as much as you're willing to take in.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: And obviously we're all very curious to know more about this,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: so we would keep asking these characters more and more questions.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: And yeah, she she she is a great character. For sure.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 3: There are some there are some amazing video game companies
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 3: all around the planet. And so this conversation about Waggay
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 3: made me go, Okay, can we get like a Ugandan
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 3: or a South African team to do a Hogwarts legacy
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 3: like style? But at Waggay, can we do an American
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 3: video game company like Avalanche to do Ilver Morning or
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 3: a Japanese video game company. Maybe that's not Nintendo to
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 3: do h the I can't remember the name of the
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 3: school in Japan mah oh maha, yes or something with
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 3: an M correct. But I just now I'm like, oh
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 3: my gosh, I want like all of the different things.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 3: I want to be able to have cherry blossom robes
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 3: from Japan that my character walks around in that like
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: looks as if they're falling the whole time, because they
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: can do all of this amazing stuff. Right, there's just
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 3: such rich culture and there's such you know, if you
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: give it to a company that's from that area, you
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 3: can then really get into this steeped in great cultural
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 3: experience about what their magic systems would be like, where
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: we don't have some of the complaints that we did
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 3: when Rolling released her story about Ilver Morning, where people
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 3: were like, hey, you talk about Native American magic, but
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 3: like some Native American cultures still actually like work on
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 3: this and believe in this. And so if you can
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: hand it off to a different area or at least
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: have cultural touchpoints with those people and get a lot
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 3: of people from that area in Japan and Uganda, and
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 3: you know where the other ones are awesome to do that.
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 3: Can Ubisoft, the French company that does Assassin's Creed, do
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 3: a bo baton one. Oh my gosh, give me, give
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: me Assassin's Creed Wizarding World. I want to go around
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: killing people from rafters.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: This podcast is all about pitching ideas, so we're always
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: say hey, Warner Brothers, if you're listening to us, drop
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: this down, because we got some good ideas going on. Yes,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: this is actually really good and I would love to
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: have that even in Howard's Legacy, you know, moving into
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: Howard's Legacy two. It would be great to have the opportunity,
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: just like you have like in Pokemon, to visit different regions,
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: like or not different regions, but different islands. Like having
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 2: the opportunity, not necessarily to visit the whole scope of
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: the world of you know, the Botons or whatever other
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 2: you know, Ilver Morny, but maybe visit the schools themselves
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 2: and have like this port key that transfers to you
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 2: into a school and have like expansion packs, and that could.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Just wish so bad that they hadn't said in Goblet
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: of Fire how long ago the last try as the
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 3: tournament was because I think if in a Hogwarts legacy too.
• 1:12:04
  Speaker 3: They would have done a derm strength Bobaton where it's
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: set at a different school and you can like travel
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 3: back and forth between Hogwarts and maybe just the school itself.
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: So probably Bobaton, given that derm strengths grounds are bigger
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: than even these, as Victor Crumb puts. But I think
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: that would have been absolutely wonderful. And in addition to that,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: you know, Universal Parks Is they just released their epic
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: Universe which has France in it, where you can walk
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: around Paris going sorry for all the French people that
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 3: are now offended by my pronunciation of your country's Yeah,
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 3: thank you, I appreciate. I took French for four years.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: It's good, right I almost. Anyways, anyway, beyond moving beyond that,
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 3: they are they put in Paris, and there's been a
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 3: lot of layman fans going why why Paris? And I'm like, well, listen,
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 3: in England, you've got Hogsmeade and you've got Diagonaley, Like,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 3: what are they gonna do do the do you just
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: enter the Three Broomsticks? Like they needed a different location,
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 3: the only other real location that we've spent a lot
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 3: of time in that they wanted to make into a
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 3: park with Paris and then but they're like, but you
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 3: poor key just back to London. I was like, I know,
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 3: I know, I know, I get it. So it'd be
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 3: cool if they could make us go to other locations
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 3: that you could then build further theme parks on mm
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 3: hmmmm hmm.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah. And they have like the students roaming around Epic Universe,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: so yeah, it already kind of starts to build that
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: curiosity of these different students from different schools.
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 3: So all the all the movie fans are going, are
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 3: there male Bobaton students?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 3: What are you talking about? I thought we were just
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 3: supposed to see kind of short skirted Bobaton women where
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 3: the camera pans just on their butts. Is that not
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 3: what we do?
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: There are no wizards in France. Magic only goes to
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: the women.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 3: What are you doing a fi ful spin off? There
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 3: on no men in France right now and the streets
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 3: are filled with short skirts. Don't see us? Yeah, that.
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: Would be that would be That would be amazing honestly
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 2: to have that like expansion. Uh is there something that
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: this universe has? Is that ability? This this capability of
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 2: you know, endless possibilities of different stories and universes and
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: it's just, yeah, it's so rich and that's why we
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: love it so much as well, like it's it's great.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: And hopefully we get a little bit more of that
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: expansion nest to the world in future, like you know,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: in the future games and stuff. So yeah, we'll have
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 2: to see, but yeah, definitely hope.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 3: I hope it's inevitable. I hope we get a Japanese
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: anime about the Wizarding World that's set in Japan or anywhere.
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: I mean, Japanese anime are set all over the place,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 3: so I hope there's just lots of different stuff where
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: they go out. It's one of the cool things that
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 3: Star Wars has done with their like little shorts. They
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 3: give like animation studios the ability to create an episode
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 3: and all sorts of stuff like that. So I'd love
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: to see the Wizarding World sort of outsource a little bit,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: which seems to be more and more popular with you know,
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: there's not as much suing going on when fan art
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: comes out, there's an allowance of like culture to build
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 3: amongst the fans, and I hope that they draw on
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 3: the vast resources of an incredible, you know, world filled
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 3: with a lot of creativity in order to give us
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: that ability to go to Wagadoo, to the Japanese school,
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: to Ilver Morning, to Bobaton two term Strength, to all
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 3: the other places that rolling is mentioned.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely so if you're listening Warner Brothers
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: Splash Avalanche.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: I'm a certified video game writer, and I wrote a
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 3: whole thing about how to adapt Blade Runner into a
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: video game. I wrote a literal video game. Sign me up.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 3: That's that's the way this works, right, you get you
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: get jobs by just pleading on podcasts.
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: Definitely.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So okay, so continue with our characters. So
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: we also have Gareth Weasley. So he's mischievous, you know,
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: I had to mention it's suitable for him to be
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: a Weasley Gryffindor classmate with a big chaotic inventor energy.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: And he's obsessed with experimenting in potions and constantly ropes
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: you into kind of like questionable but fun brewing experiments.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: So you can say he's bold too, definitely. And he's
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 2: just got this energy to him that I really like too.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: He's like the precursor of the Weasley's Wizard Weezss experiments.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: Absolutely yeah, and also like and you could you could
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: justify the fact that he exists in canon and isn't
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 3: at the Weasley wedding because he probably died in a
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: potions experiment.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then we have Okay, obviously we are not
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 2: going to get too deep into these if you know,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: you guys want to add to this well, but just
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 2: not to give away too much spoilers, but we have
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: the main antagonists which are rand Rock, which is a
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: Goblin rebellion leader, and Victor Rockwood, who's a dark wizard
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: leader Roo Rookwood Brookwood, Yes, Rookwood.
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: As in the ancestor of one of the death Eaters.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 2: Right, yes, yes, yes, right, yes.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 3: So I find go ahead, I'm so sorry.
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: No no, no, go ahead, go ahead.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 3: So what I find interesting about all of these characters
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 3: with with Rain Rock and Victor Rookwood is we have
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: very little interaction with goblins until we get to Harry
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 3: Potter and the Deathly Halla's when we get a little
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: bit of insight into grip Hook. And so they really
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 3: rely on the sort of stereotypes of goblins in the
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: wizarding world in order to create this and Adrian Rob
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 3: said that he was always been defined by George Lucas's
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 3: words because he used to work on Star Wars video
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 3: games and Disney video games before or he worked on Avalanche,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: and George Lucas said, to his credit or to his discredit,
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 3: lean into stereotypes. They're there for a reason, which personally,
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 3: I'm like, no, we should be combating stereotypes. But to
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: each their own, and so they I think this is
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 3: one of the reasons why you feel this like sort
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 3: of selfish, self imposed I deserve and want this from
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 3: rang Rock. In addition to that, I think they do
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: a fairly brilliant thing by giving Victor Rookwood those qualities
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: as well showing how the Rookwood family and ultimately turns
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 3: into wisiting Nazis under Baltimore. At the same time, not
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 3: to do too many spoilers, but in some of these
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: flashbacks that you have, there is another Rookwood. And one
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 3: of my biggest complaints about this game is that they
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 3: never go are these related or are they doing people
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 3: like this guy feels like a good guy and this
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 3: guy's a bad guy, and who's going on?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 3: Where? When?
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: How?
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: Who? Uh? So that's that's a pretty funny experience there
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: in the video. It was like, Oh, this guy must
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 3: be a bad guy. But is he I'm confused.
• 1:19:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, these two they seem like characters you don't
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: want to meddle with, you know, they don't you know,
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: you want to get in their way. Right from the beginning,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: you can tell that they are very powerful and very
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: dangerous you know beings, and and yeah, it's uh, it's
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 2: a very it's also very dark, I'd say a very
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 2: dark story too. It's definitely not Sorcerer's Stone type of
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 2: you know, you know PG story. It's it's kind of
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 2: like cater to and which also I think ties in
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: with this whole part of you being already fifteen. Yeah,
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: because you're going to go, You're going to undergo on
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 2: all these quests and these you know, dangerous tasks, and
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: just the story itself that you know, an eleven year
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 2: old would be a little too much to put on,
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: you know, someone so young. So maybe that's why they
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: kind of like, Okay, let's make him, you know, a
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: full on teenager a little bit more like, yeah, aware
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: of the world around him, and.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 3: That's that's all, you know, extremely purposeful, right, is there
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 3: signaling to parents. This is for a little bit of
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 3: an older audience. It's signaling to like fifteen sixteen, and
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 3: a lot of cultures is when you become a man
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 3: or a woman or an adult in some way, shape
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 3: or form, and so we're all at an age that's
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 3: a lot more comfortable. So if you choose to learn
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 3: about a cadavra and then you kill people with it,
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 3: you're like, Okay, this isn't as bad as like a
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 3: literal eleven year old in like an elementary school, middle
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 3: school body running around being like about a cadavra, Like,
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 3: oh my god, why, I mean, Harry does it? He
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 3: literally murders Quarrel in the movie where he's like, oh,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 3: I'll touch your face. Hunger Games indeed, right, Hunger Games
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: versus Harry Potter. Yeah, But I think it's cool too
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 3: that they build in the morality system. Right, You've got
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 3: Sebastian Sallow's Whole Deal, which is essentially an ethics class.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 3: Should I or should I not? It makes you ask
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 3: those questions and if so, if you are a parent
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: that's playing with your child, you're able to talk through
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: those decisions, which I really love. And there's built in
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: you know, warnings in the game. Ominous Gaunt is there
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 3: from a storytelling perspective to warn against British like, uh,
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: the British like upper class. We've got the Gaunts who
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: have been inbreeding for years and years and years, and
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 3: that's why Ominus is blind. That's why he's dealing with
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 3: the difficulties that he's dealing with. Additionally, you've got Nattie
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 3: not Say and I giving you different morality lessons in
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: good and and wrong, and then you've got like, but
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: it's okay to have fun and play around and be
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: wrong sometime with Gareth Weasley. So they did a nice
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 3: job balance.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 2: Like yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, definitely. It's it's and it's
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: this kind of like very much. Also, this like coles
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 2: colethora of personalities and moral compasses that are kind of like,
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: you know, really really is about writing your story and
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 2: just gives you a wide array of like, Okay, who
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: do you want to you know, who do you want
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: to mingle with? Who do you want to follow? And
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: how far are you willing to go into that? And
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 2: that's something that's great about the game itself. It's you know,
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 2: you don't go into this linear thing where you know,
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 2: all all ends do meet, but in different ways. I'd say,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: and it's it's great. It's I think it's great. And
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: all these characters have their own quality and their own
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 2: little like, you know, parts of it, and I think
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 2: a little bit of it is in all of us.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 2: You know, we all have that little bit of Sebastian,
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: and we all have a little bit of Ominous and
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: Poppy and and Natty. Yeah, it's it's just, uh, it's great.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: I really think they are, you know, they are. They
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: they were very well thought characters. It was a lot
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 2: of dedication put into designing them.
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: It is interesting to so from from these side characters perspective,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: you were supposed to get in this game, one really
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: main storyline for each of the four houses. So we
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 3: get Sebastian's really fleshed out story in Slytherin. Yeah, in
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 3: Poppies you get a very fleshed out story. But she's
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 3: not as much your companion in the game like Natty
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 3: and Sebastian, So that's her story is a little bit
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: complete on that end for you know, budget reasons, gaming reasons,
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 3: et cetera. But you do get what's what was Adrian's
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 3: favorite story which is the Golden snidget at the end,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 3: should you be able to play through the whole thing,
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 3: that's a good one you get. And then the raven
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 3: Claw one, it gets completely laughed out. You get him
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: as a Raven Claws side companion if you you know,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: if you're playing the raven Claw storyline, it just happens
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 3: later in the game. He's the guy that gives you
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 3: the I forget his name. He's the one that gives you,
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 3: like the star maps to go and find with the telescope.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so that character there, he was supposed to
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 3: be much bigger. They just didn't have the room for him.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 3: And then you get to not say on I Natty
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 3: as they call her, and that one is to me
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: my biggest like, oh, I really wish this had happened,
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 3: but they just didn't have the budget at the time
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 3: to do it. Because that one, as Adrian told us,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 3: was supposed to turn into an animegus storyline where you
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: learn to become an animegus. But the reason why they
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: decided not to go with that is that they wanted
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 3: to be able to do custom once. But then suddenly
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 3: your digital files you have to have one for every
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 3: animal that you're doing. So they thought about doing like, okay,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: maybe you're just like a cat, a bird, or a dog,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: and you get to choose between that and maybe do
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: some coloration. But then it was like, but it's also
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 3: supposed to match up with your patronis and so are
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 3: we going to do a whole patronis line? Are we
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 3: going to keep the same character for Hogwarts? Now that
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: Adrian didn't say this part, but in my head, I'm like,
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: they're definitely doing a Hogwarts legacy to you based off
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: of sales. Are we going to be doing the same avatar?
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: Do you really want to make your Patroni's choice and
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: your animegus choice right now? Because I gotta tell you
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 3: I want to be a blue whale because your patronas
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: you could literally just sit inside it and no dementors
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: could hit you. That would be awesome, But then my
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: animegus would be totally useless on land unless I just
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 3: wanted to crush everything in sight.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: So you can dive into the lake and you're started
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 2: territory so.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 3: Well for for about five minutes before the salt level
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: lack of salt level in the lake starts to rot.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: Your flesh. But yeah, come at me about marine mammal facts.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: My wife is a marine biologist.
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: Maybe like a river dolphin or something.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 3: Would that be cool, river otter? Anything, that'd be sweet
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 3: that you could take one more more people should be
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: animegas so that they can enjoy go and enjoy the grounds.
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 2: Yes, So moving a little bit into the gameplay identity
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: of the game. So obviously, like we mentioned, this is
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 2: third person action RPG, so you know, it has your
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 2: character creator. You can personalize it and customize it to
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: look as similar as you want to or it's different.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: You can just you know, go with your with your
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: gut and uh. Then you also have obviously how sorting, uh, spell,
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 2: load outs, talents, gear upgrades, and lots and lots of
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: things to discover. Obviously there's a lot of chests that
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 2: have like you know, either yeah gear and you get
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 2: also like cool, what else you get with the chests
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 2: because there are a few of those, So you.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 3: Get your gears, you can get gosh, what what else
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 3: is it? Wait? Is it just gear?
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 2: I feel like it's money. Money. Money can get you
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: get money which is sometimes hard to come across, and
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: you need to well, yeah, you need to go and
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: and you know, deal with a lot of these these
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: dark wizards in order to get some money. When you're
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 2: in their campsites and you know, you just have their
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: little bags of money and you're like, oh money, here
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: we go.
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: Because I want to go to glad Rad's and get
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 3: my new fit all the time.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And like we said, you get sorted into one
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 2: of the Hogwarts houses and that determines which common room
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 2: you'll have access to.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and I found a video that shows all
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: four common rooms, because obviously, you know, if you only
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 1: play as one house, you don't get to see the others.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: So I will link that in the show notes if
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 1: you're curious.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: And let's be clear, Gryffindors is probably the most boring
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 3: because they put a lot of heart and soul into
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: doing the other three. Yes, because they get we spend
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: so much time in the gryffindal common room. Not saying
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: that the Gryffindor common room isn't nice. It is, But
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 3: in the Slytherin common room you get to look out
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: at the lake and occasionally you get the giant squid
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: thrashing its tentacles against the window. You get to live
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: in your best version of hobbitan if you're in Hufflepuff
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 3: and there's so much food all over the place in there,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 3: and you get to meet the fat Friar, which is great.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 3: But also they give raven Claw the best feature, which
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: is its own exit into flying away from your common
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 3: room if you want, so you can go up this
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: little section, go out onto the roof, and then just
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: take off and fly around if you want, and you
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: can land there. It's raven Claus to me, is the
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 3: best one from both a design standpoint. I thought that
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 3: made it look really good, very classically Greek, inspired by
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: the white and blue flavorings, and like raven Claus sort
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: of being of Athena's deal makes a lot of sense
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: to me, even though Minerva is the one that's kind
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: of named after is the Roman god version of Athena.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: But uh, all that being said, that the fact that
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: they gave you a literal like transport out and so
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 3: I hope in its legacy two you get like to
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 3: swim underwater and we get to go out of the
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 3: Slytherin common room, which would be super cool.
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: Oh so cool. Yeah, definitely, And I love the fact
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: that for the common houses for the common for the
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: common rooms. Sorry, they for example, Ravenclaw is pretty much
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: accurate replica of the illustration that we see in Potter More. Yes,
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 2: So they really really respected that art and said, let's
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: let's just do something pretty much you know, in those
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: lines and just respect that. And because we didn't know
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: we only had the griffind or common room obviously from
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 2: the films that we had this that already had this
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 2: very well established visual identity. But the other houses you
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: never get to explore.
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 3: So I think you get Chambers suggests second.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that the other two houses, it's
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 2: like how do they look? So when we got those
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 2: first like illustrations from part of Moore, it was like wow,
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: like yes, actually it And I.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: Think you've nailed the main word there that makes this
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: game so successful. It's respect. The respect for the world
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: is just so well thought. Even with the add ons
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 3: of Hogwarts, even with like creating the King's cross area,
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 3: the library of what they do, it's all a little different,
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 3: and it's also all extremely respectful to this, including Stuart
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: Craig's work, who's this master set designer that is known
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: as one of the best set people of all time,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: and they use the inspiration from him, they respect his
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: work and give you that feel in the video game,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 3: which is is just brilliant.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, totally. Even the library that at first glance
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 2: seems like totally different from the one we saw in
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 2: the films, then there's on the second floor there's like
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 2: section that looks identical to them, so it's like this
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: could perfectly fit into that.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: So it's like they don't go off like you know,
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: they don't stray away too far from it, but they
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: kind of like respect.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: Book and it's it's fascinating too. So I have the
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: privilege of studying at Oxford. Over this last summer, I
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: went out and did some English research out there on
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 3: Shakespeare and then contemporary literature. It was really fun. So
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: I got a chance to work in the battle in
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: Library where they film like the hospital wing is in
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 3: the Bodelein Library. They filmed the restriction section in Sorcerer's
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: Stone in the Boatle in the library, in the oldest
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: section where they have like actual change books, et cetera.
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: But one thing that I noticed just such a Harry
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: Potter nerd. Right, I'm walking around in the rest of
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: the Bodhlin Library going, oh, Hogwarts legacy rest of the
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: library that doesn't look like the restricted section is based
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: off of this section here, like they still went out
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 3: of their way to go and find things that were
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 3: you know, oh, this is a little bit of a
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: newer update of the boatle in, so let's use that
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: for the Hogwarts Like it was just brilliant stuff that
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: they've done.
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, And yeah, like we said it, the
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 2: progression of the game is tied to being a student.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 2: So obviously you go, you attend classes, you learn spell
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 2: these these spells or these classes unlock different mechanics in
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 2: the game. This includes broom fight flight, So you're not
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 2: going to be able to write a broom from your
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 2: first day at Hogwarts. You need to progress in the
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: story a little bit. And again, like you also unlock
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: spells and tools that you need. There's one that there's
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 2: this fish that's on this like wooden bridge, uh in
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 2: the outskirts of the castle, and you can't put it
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 2: back into the water unless you learn Dipoulso yeah, so
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 2: because you need to I think you need to lose.
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: You need to use either wing Guardium, Levosa or Levoso,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 2: and then you with dipolso you just like yeah, yeah,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 2: and it was like so frustrating, but yeah, you need
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: to like something as small as that, and they put
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: so much thought into, you know, every single detail, and yeah,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: it's like Okay, you want to do this, then you
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: need to brew this potion and you need to unlock this,
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 2: and you need to buy these things, and to buy
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 2: these things you need money. So in order to get
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: that money. So it's kind of like really cool in
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 2: that regard because it it really fosters that you know,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: need to progress and not just you know, kind of
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: like anchor there and be like Okay, I'm just gonna
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: go and you know, roam around the you know, the
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: Scottish highlands and get rid of the bad guys. And yeah.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 2: So that's that's a great thing that I think they
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: introduced into the game.
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: They do an awesome job in this video game of
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 3: if you are a completionist, it actually makes the game
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: better instead of doing like this, Okay, you can be
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: a completionist, but it doesn't necessarily help you in all
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: aspects of the game, like oh me leveling up or
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 3: learning to do all these spells, are going and getting
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 3: all the field pages or doing all this stuff actually
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: adds so much into the game experience that I'm having
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: more fun by the end of it instead of like,
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm looking for my one thousandth coroku
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 3: in Legend of Zelda and I finally got it and
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 3: all they gave me was a statue that looks like poop.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's like, we well this Obviously this game,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 2: with what we talked about, it does provide an open
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 2: world roaming, so there are a lot of secrets to uncover,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: there are combat encounters everywhere, collectibles, and of course it's
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: supported heavily by the use of Revellio shout out to
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 2: us Yeah as a discovery spell. So there's been a
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: ton of memes and videos and everything across the internet
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 2: about the spell being used extensively.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: God, I will say that is it does get tiresome
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: after a while. Just say it over and over that
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 3: And now my Demi guys, yeah, yeah, my guys, dear God, what's.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: This are we even introduced to?
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what's his motivation to be looking for this? Demi? Guys, like,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: I don't remember having Like it's someone when you freath
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: me on that.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: When you find all of it, you're able to do
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 3: Aloha Mora's like third level, and it's it's introduced by
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: Gareth Weasley. I think he's the one that teaches you
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 3: Aloha Mora. If memory serves correctly, it's either him or
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: Sebastian I remember something.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: The caretaker mister.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: Moon, right, who's introduced to you by one of those
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: two guys. But yeah, and so he hates those demo
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 3: guys statue whatever reason. So the game purpose is to
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 3: unlock all the tears of Aloha Mora. But it is
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 3: like especially because if you're in like there's one in
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: glad Rags, right, which I would go into all the time,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 3: And there's if I didn't go in there at night,
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 3: it would just go mine. Now demo guys like, oh
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: my god, I know, I can't I keep forgetting to
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 3: come back here at night, My goodness, shut up. Yeah,
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 3: Like I really wish after the first couple of rebellions
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: it'd be like rebellion is now silent unless you decide
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 3: to turn it on.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: That in the Stones too, like yeah, yeah, it reminds
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: me of I'm probably the only one who knows this reference,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: but maybe some of some of our listeners do. There
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: was this wonderful series of Nancy Drew computer games.
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: Yes, there was.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: Yes, it reminds me of the It's locked, It's locked,
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: It's locked, over and over and over. Anytime you clicked
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: on anything, it's like, damn it, it's locked.
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Video game video games have come a long way
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 3: of just you know, because so many of them were
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: made for such little kids. So like that, those Nanswers
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: Room video games are like designed for ten year olds
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: at best, and so they were like, we have to
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 3: tell them that it's locked, or they're going to keep
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 3: trying this door again.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: But then if you try too many times to reach something,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: something really terrible could happen, Like you could fall over
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: the balcony of the theater or you know, die by
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: death of Venus fly trap.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: That's terrifying. Yeah, this is a giant venus fly trap.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure. In that one, when Nancy falls into
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: the Venus fly trap, there's like a cutaway of like
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 1: the feet sticking out of the.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 3: Top and no, god why.
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: Classic.
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: So so basically, okay, so your decisions and who you
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 2: choose as a companion, So let's say between Sebastian and Natty.
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: For some of these quests really help you shape the
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: build up of your story and how the events of
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 2: the overarching story unfold. And even though the story is linear,
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: you can still go on site quest at will and
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 2: explore the world. However, like we talked about, certain missions
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 2: will require you to master specific spells or skills that
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 2: are unlocked by attending classes or learning different spells and
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 2: potions too. So so yeah, everything is kind of like intertwined.
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like clockwork when you think about it,
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 2: and it's about putting all these pieces together and just
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: you know, seeing the other end of it, and yeah,
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 2: I think it's a it's it's great that it's so like, yeah,
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: there's just so much to do as well, like you
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 2: get easily. It's so easy to get lost in that castle,
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 2: and it you can tell the amount of hours and
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: months and years that all of this was. You know,
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: like even when you're flying on your broomstick, you're like,
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: how on earth did they put every single tree? I
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 2: don't know about game design, but I'm like just completely
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 2: taken about by how detailed it is. And even though
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 2: it does get like you said, Sam, like it does
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 2: feel empty at parts, but still like how everything is
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 2: just like every every stone, every tree, every you know,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: little river, and like it's it's huge, it's and.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: I should say, I should clarify. It feels empty from
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: like a gameplay perspective at times because the map is
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: so enormous and so that you can you can go
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: for a long walk without you know, something more major
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 3: than like button mashing villain killing to do. So like
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: all right, I ran into in Fury again, or I
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: ran into a goblin again, or I ran into a
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: spider again. But in terms of the map is enormous,
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 3: but it does feel a little empty in terms of
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: like you go into a cave, you spend all this
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: time battling in Fury, and then you get another loot drop,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: but it's just money and costuming again. Yeah, and that's
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: where it starts to feel like, oh, there isn't like
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: a third or fourth thing that you can do. There
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 3: isn't an auxiliary side mission. They've released basically no DLCs
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 3: because if you were on the PS five you already
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: had the the awesome Poltergeist side quest. So if you already,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 3: if you were if you were a switcher an Xbox,
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: usually that was a DLC that you could add on,
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: but otherwise there's been like no additive qualities, and so
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: that map feels quite empty. I would imagine that Hogwarts
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 3: Legacy two is going to fill in that map a
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: bit more of more unique stuff because they already now
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: have that built, they can focus on building it up
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: rather than building it out. But in terms of the like,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 3: it is so cool that you can walk around the
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: forest and like unlike old video games, like in the
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire video game where
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: you get magicist extremis, it's like when you walk around there,
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 3: you're like, yeah, that is the same tree as that
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 3: one over there, and that's that rock was just back there,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: and like you can see all of this, Like, but
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 3: when you're walking around the forest, they have so many
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 3: variations even on the same design tree, so it's like,
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: all right, so that's the same tree trunk, but the
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: design of the branches is super different. The moss is
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: actually growing on a different direction, and it's covering more
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 3: of the rock. They just had so much more I
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: U The detail, especially with the second half of the
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 3: map that you open up. Once you open up that
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: passage through way through, like that mine with the trolls
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 3: and stuff in it. You get like an entirely different,
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: like very almost Isle of Man, Isle of Sky vibe
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 3: to the You're like almost in the Hebrides basically in
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 3: that section that the beauty of it is not empty,
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: the physical features of it is not empty, and that's glorious.
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmmm hmm. Absolutely. Yeah, yeah, and yeah, so speaking
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: of that, and if you enjoy combat, then I think
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 2: this game is perfect for you because you will encounter
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 2: dozens of dark wizards scattered across the map, as well
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: as spiders and fury, trolls, wolves, goblins, you name it.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: There's a ton of you for you to kind of
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 2: like dabble into and just you know, get your wand
• 1:41:56
  Speaker 2: really get really good at at one waving and casting
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 2: and it's uh, it's yeah, it's it's it's an in
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: you know, it is an adventure game, but it's heavily
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: i'd say, backed by a lot of combat, yes, sequences
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: as well and uh just levels. And yeah, I think the.
• 1:42:24
  Speaker 3: Game their main three areas of success are main storylines
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 3: really appealing. You do have to pay attention to it too,
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 3: It's not like, oh, I know what's happening or whatever. Like,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 3: if you are not paying attention during the cutscenes about Morganock,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: you're like, what on earth is happening? The combat in
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: game combat super fun, a little unique too, uh, And
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 3: the combinations of spells as are saying. The fact that
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: I can freeze somebody and then used the findo and
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 3: that's like an automatic kill essentially, especially on easy mode
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 3: or medium mode, is like really well thought out. And
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: so you get to learn all these combinations as you
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 3: go around, and there's enough button matching villains to go
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: and kind of hone your craft with. That's super cool.
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 3: And then the exploration, right, those are the three main
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: areas of success. You're to move around to see all
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: the sites. I do think it struggles in the emptiness
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: quality of like, all right, there's not really that much loot,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: and your choices do feel at times like they don't matter.
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: There's one time, really early on in the game, I
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: forget exactly what appensor. It's like, do you want to
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: do this? And you'll be like no, and then you
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 3: do it anyways because they're like, we actually really need
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: to make you have to do this. So the game
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 3: isn't quite like BioWare is one of the more famous
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 3: choice video game companies. They do Star Wars Nights in
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: the Old Republic, they do Dragon Age, they do Mass Effect.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: And you have choices in your dialogue and the Hogwarts
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 3: Legacy dialogue, it gives you those three options and you
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 3: hit it, and it doesn't actually say exactly what you said,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 3: which is very much an Adrian rop decision. He's like,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 3: I want you to have the vibe of what you're saying,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: but not exactly, you know, word for words, so that
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: you still have to pay attention to dialogue. All well
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: and good, but there is some dialogue in there where
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 3: I'm like, that's not the vibe of what I chose.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 3: I would not have said that if I knew you
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 3: were going to say that. So they get struggles there
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 3: the fact that your dialogue actually doesn't make much of
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: a difference on the story, and that your choices also
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 3: don't make that much of a difference on the story.
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 3: You gets choose cool, but they still and again this
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 3: is you know, pressure from you know, video game companies
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: in general. They don't want to pay to build stuff
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 3: that only a third of your users might get to.
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 3: And I think that's one of the reasons why the
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 3: game feels a little empty in that way where you're like, Okay,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 3: well this Sebastian Salo's story kind of happens no matter what.
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: Right, and if you say you shouldn't do.
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 3: This, Yeah, and so there's really no option in the
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: main storyline, which I don't know if they'll if they'll
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 3: fix that or not, because video game companies really unless
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 3: they're BioWare or they're well like, yes, this is our
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 3: modus apparandi, this is why people buy this game. I
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 3: just don't know that the executives that we're going to
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 3: want to pay for all right, So I'm in this
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 3: area and I'm doing this and I'm doing that, but
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: only a third of us are doing that. Like it's
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 3: a miracle to me that they didn't make you pick
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 3: gryffindor right and then not build because they did build
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: the four common rooms, which is awesome and hopefully that
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 3: helps sell people on doing multiple playthrooms. But you never know.
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 3: So I'm glad we got the four common rooms. I'm
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 3: a little bummed that we didn't get much of an
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 3: effect from your choices.
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: That's true. Yeah, So yeah, that's about combat. I think Amy,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: you have some advice for players.
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just gonna say, you know, if if
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: you haven't played it yet or your first time player,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: my advice is to try and level up by exploring
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: and going into some of those like Bandit camps and
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 1: the spider situations, because it's a lot easier to have
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: your character die when you're in exploring mode and then
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: respond than to be in the middle of a quest
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 1: and it has to keep backing you up and reloading,
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 1: So the quests are much easier when you hit some
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: of those bigger foes if you've kind of leveled up
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 1: your combat ahead of time. I figured that out after.
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: A couple of quests.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and of course if you enjoy exploring, this will
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 2: be right up your alley as you get to explore
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: not only every corner of the castle, but also go
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 2: beyond and explore surrounding villages and Hogsmead and yeah, and
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 2: also of course flue powder is used to fast travel
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: between different sections and the sections of the map and areas.
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 2: And also of course you have broom flight, which I
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: think is a fan favorite. And yeah, you get to
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: go pretty fast from one place to the to the next,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: and flue powder is a little triggy sometimes to find
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: those kind of like portals to travel through.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, also fly on a hippograph or ride a
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: graph worn which.
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 3: Is kind of orstral. Super cool. Yeah, I I can't
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: wait for them to do dragons.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah there was a dragon. Yeah yeah there wasn't the
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: trailer the dragon and the dragon in the cut.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: Scene, and there's there's like a like a one percent
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 3: chance that when you're flying around for a dragon to
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: be in the sky with you.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 1: I have not had that happen.
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you if you fly around enough, you'll you'll
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 3: eventually run into what the heck?
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: That's awesome.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Another feature this game has is the Room of Requirement.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 2: So this is kind of like the cozy management pillar,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: and the Room of Requirement functions like your customizable base.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: It's kind of like a little bit more of your
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: like your own I want to call it like somehow
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: like a Hogwarts Sims sort of reality somehow. So you
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 2: get to yeah, you get to like kind of like
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: tailor it to like your your your taste and and
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 2: so a big part of the long tail long tail
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: play time comes from optimizing and personalizing the space you
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: have potion stations, planting systems which are important for the game,
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 2: but it's kind of like a I'd say it's like
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: a shortcut instead of having to go to Potions, instead
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: of having to go to Horology. Do you just have
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: it all in one single hub and loject placement and
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: redesigned as well. And there's also vibariums for magical beasts,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 2: so you can tame, care for, and ride creatures. And
• 1:49:04
  Speaker 2: this includes also fan favorite mounts and it's really cute,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 2: like you can pet them and it's a it's a
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 2: really nice feature. It feels like a clash of different
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: video games suddenly. Yeah, it's a.
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: Lot of fun. You can rename your creatures too, so
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: all of my creatures have very human names.
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: I like, I'm gonna go and feed Paul the puff skin.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 3: Now, so they're there. The toads that are the giant
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 3: purple toads as they're called in the game, So all
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 3: of my toads are named giant glurpol or giant urpole,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: a giant urple, a giant flirtpole or it's I you know,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: it's a great it's a great time just being ridiculous,
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: or I've got instead of Unicorn I've got dose Cobs,
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: which is a really stupid joke about that, or instead
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 3: of having my phoenix is named hooked on because of
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 3: hooked on Phoenix rather than hooked on phonics. So you
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 3: can I as much fun as you would like with
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 3: the stupid stuff that you can do in that in
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 3: those bavariums, I when it's also done, the Room of
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 3: Requirement is I think their coolest feature in the game. Also,
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: you Tom, you now got me fully stuck on the
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: thought of, like, can we make it as SIMS level
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 3: of customization as possible, because the SIMS is super cool
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 3: and like you can really customize the heck out of
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: that space, and you are, even though you can very
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 3: much customize this, you are a little like, you know,
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 3: locked into the designs that they've already pre done in
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: the game. That being said, that SIMS is it's very
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 3: much its own media file. So again, if we're talking
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 3: about physical space, it's probably not gonna happen. But I
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 3: also one of my biggest gripes with this is the
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 3: favariums are limited to like only eight beasts or something
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: like that, and so you can have your you know,
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 3: pigmy puffs mate and make different combinations. And so my
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 3: biggest gripe is that you they should have made enough
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 3: spaces for you to have all the different combinations of
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 3: baby and adults, and instead you can only get like
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 3: I think it's a quarter of them period. And so
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: I always am like completionist, Sam can't do what I want.
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: We need just a full game of just the beasts
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: in the Bavarians.
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, animal crossing meats Room or Requirement would be fantastic.
• 1:51:23
  Speaker 2: There's another idea. Yeah, hey, I always wanted the Sims
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: Harry Potter expansion pack. It never came, so.
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 3: I know, and they gave this. They gave you the
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: stupid like costume. You could dress this Harry, but you
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: can never build Hogwarts.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not the same.
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 1: It's kind of like missed opportunity.
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: Oh well, so in order to actually customize your Room
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 1: of Requirement, you do need to complete different side quests
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: to get like rewarded different conjurations, which is furniture, beast items,
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. You can also purchase different ones
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 1: in Hogsmead, and in order to conjure those, you do
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: need moonstone, which can be collected throughout the map as well.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: And I just wanted to know and hear about the
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: soundtrack for this game as well, because I think that
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: that really does build up this world too. Because this
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: game has its own original soundtrack. It was composed by
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 1: lead composer Chuck E. Myers and two supporting composers, Peter
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: Murray and Jay Scott Cozy Rakousi. But yeah, you can
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: tell the sound was very inspired by the existing soundtracks
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: of the Wizarding World, so it does sound familiar, but
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 1: it's also brand new. I did find an interesting interview
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: with Peter Murray where he explains the idea behind one
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: of the more popular tracks, the Hogsmead music, and he
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 1: says they really wanted something to reflect this collection of
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 1: Wizarding people living together in this tight community with a
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 1: lot of life and whimsy and like all of that
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: going on. So it has this very street bear sort
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: of vibe. And they even thought about the fact that
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 1: like as you're approaching Hogsmeade, you start to hear that
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: music in the background, like as if you are actually
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 1: approaching live street performers, and kind of hearing that is
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: like this party vibe, and then as you get closer
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 1: the music comes up in volume.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: It's really it's really cool. How good of a job
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 3: if they do reflecting all the different composers on the
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 3: Harry Potter film. So, yes, there are Williams elements, but
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: it's not a Williams heavy game, which I think actually
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 3: is fairly good because Williams music is epic and large,
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 3: not every moment of a video game is going to
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: feel like that. So the Cedric's Death Band as I
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: call them, comes comes into play with that live music sound,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: with the tubas and the trum bones and the sort
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: of you know, boisterousness of it. But you also get
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 3: Alexander Desplatz sort of like deathly hollows, like medium vibes,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 3: just like long notes with lots of harmonies resting in
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 3: the background, and that really I think hits hard in
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 3: the opening game music intro. So I think they did
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: a fabulous job of taking the the vibes of all
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: the different movies and combining them in a way that's
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: super satisfying to the video.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I also love this comment about hogs Me
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: because I do love the soundtrack. It feels so lively
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: and it feels like you just want to stay in
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: there forever. It's like, you know, it's it's great, it's
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: it's it's so I don't know, it's like they they
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 2: actually did accomplish what they wanted to because you're like
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: full immersed in there and you can feel the joy
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: and you can feel it's sometimes like disrupted by a
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: troll every once in a while.
• 1:54:58
  Speaker 3: God.
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 2: But yeah, and I speaking of hogs me it's so
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 2: good because it's not there just for like decorum purposes.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: It's not just there as a backdrop. You actually have
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: a functional uh you know, it's not just to buy gear.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: You can buy potions, ingredients, you can buy and that
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: adds to that feeling alive and feeling like something that
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: you know, like its own character somehow. So I love that,
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: you know, it has its like very peculiar and very
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: recognizable soundtrack already.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 3: It is so neat that they add an element of
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: attachment to hogsmeat where you can go. It's not a
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: specific weekend that you can go. You get to go
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 3: whenever you want. And you if you need to buy
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 3: potion ingredients because you I can't defeat this thing in
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 3: the forest that has this quill that I need for
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: to put into this potion, I can go to the
• 1:55:54
  Speaker 3: potion shop to grab that. If I want a new
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 3: type of broom, I can go to the broom area.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: I get to go to Olivander's little adjacent thing because
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: we didn't want to do diagon Alley in this game.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: I can go and get new vibe fits and glad rags.
• 1:56:07
  Speaker 3: I can go and get my hair cut. There's this
• 1:56:09
  Speaker 3: awesome connection point. In the future, I'd like to see
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 3: Zonco's become actually have selling points where you can get
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 3: stuff that you can use in battle. And I'd love
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 3: for you to be able to buy food at Honey
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 3: Dukes that would heal you, yeah, so that there's more
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: of a game fit component there. Because you can go
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: into those shops, you can't really buy anything. So I
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 3: would love to see that in the future. But I
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 3: think it's so cool that they that they have you
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: go to Honks Meat and that the pathway to there
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: is beautiful and as you were pointing out Amy like you,
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 3: as you're moving into it, you get the transition of music,
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 3: which is very like theme park design as well, where
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: you know you're going through a portal and you will
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 3: go into this extra area. You get an entire different
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 3: vibe check on what's going on.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So as we come closer to the end of
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: our main discussion, I wanted to cover a couple more things,
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: a little bit about the overall reception of the game.
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 2: So when it came out, it was widely praised for
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 2: the combat feel and spellcasting spectacle, also the world design
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 2: and Hogwart's atmosphere. So, like we mentioned this before, but
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: you know, while the overall castles look layout stakes close
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: to the film's version, Hogwart's Legacy adds its own twist,
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: just like they did with the soundtrack, and they add
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 2: these extra layers and pathways that make it easier to
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: get lost in its hundreds of corridors, and the interiors
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 2: differ significantly from both the EA era games and the films,
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 2: but a handful also, like of locations do feel almost
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 2: one to one familiar, like Defense against the Dark Arts classroom,
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: the Potion's classroom, the hospital wing, the interior of the
• 1:58:00
  Speaker 2: clock of the clock tower. I could keep naming a few,
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: but they really like, like we discussed the library too,
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 2: like sections of the library. So you know how they
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 2: have like really respected what has come before and how
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: they yet said, Okay, how do we expand this? That's
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: already so well established and give it our own twist
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 2: and and just you know, make it our own as well.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: So I think that's that's something that people really really
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: enjoyed of the game. And yeah, that's all I have
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 2: to say about that.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 3: It was at the very end of our interview with
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 3: Adrian Ropp we asked, point blank will there be a
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: Hogwarts legacy too? And this was before we'd gotten any news,
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: and he said, if Spider Man won sold really well,
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: do you think they'd make a Spider Man two? And
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: either Urban or I went yes. In fact, they made
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: three of them and it went well. I have no
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 3: break news, and even if I did, I wouldn't say
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: it because I don't want to leak anything. But I
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 3: would imagine that if something does very well, companies that
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 3: are interested in making money will want to make more money.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: And so you know, there's all to say. This reception
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 3: was so incredible that there's no chance and no choice
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: but to do this right. There's no shot of it
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 3: not happening. The Warner brother sale always makes I think
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 3: anybody nervous when when stuff gets moved around, like when
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 3: Star Wars was bought by when Lucasfilm was sold to
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 3: by Lucas, to Disney everyone, and you know they did
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: cancel projects. I would imagine that Paramount will not be
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 3: messing with such a gigantic success, especially when it's already
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: in production. But thank goodness, this was such a good
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 3: commercial production, right, performance was so excellent, or else I
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 3: think it would be in a little spot of danger.
• 1:59:55
  Speaker 3: But this is the best selling video game maybe of
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: all time. I don't remember the exact numbers, but it's
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 3: it's really up there, right.
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now that you're talking about that point. Yeah, the
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 2: sales were immediate and massive, so it stacked over twelve
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 2: million copies in around eight hundred and fifty million in
• 2:00:14
  Speaker 2: revenue within the first weeks, and later milestones pushed it
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 2: into one of the best selling games territory, with reports
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 2: reaching tens of millions of copies and around one billion
• 2:00:26
  Speaker 2: total revenue. So yeah, that's uh, that's doing numbers for sure,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 2: and yeah, it's been highly highly successful. And again, like
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 2: we also tapped into earlier in the episode, I think
• 2:00:42
  Speaker 2: it's great that this planted the seed. And you know
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: that there's so much more to the Wizarding World than
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 2: Harry Potter, and there's so much more like for us
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 2: to kind of like you know, all these different like
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 2: not just Hogwarts itself, but like we were talking about
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 2: like different schools around the world and different you know,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 2: locations and storylines and and setting in times and like
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 2: all these this this endless amount of possibilities and this
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: game literally proved that after the financial Black Loster films
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 2: that you know, the Fantastic Beasts saga, so it was
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: it was it was kind of like them saying, you know,
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: this is like our last chance of really pushing this
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 2: forward and seeing how it and it really came out
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 2: the right way, and yeah, the outcome was great.
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I did exactly what they needed it to do.
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: Absolutely it did mm hmm.
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And and also, you know, we have to mention
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 2: all of these controversies that came with the with the
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: game and how you know, a lot of there were
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of campaigns to boycott the game, and there
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 2: were like a lot of things we know, like you know,
• 2:01:59
  Speaker 2: it was it was a very like tense time as well.
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 2: So seeing that people still care about the IP in
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: general and about the world in general speaks volumes and
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 2: just how much it's still worth to keep investing in it.
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 3: You know, I think it's interesting books. I can understand
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 3: a lot more of not wanting to support there's so
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 3: much more of that money goes directly into the hands
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 3: of Rolling. So if you are not wanting her to
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 3: get as much money, I understand. If you're not wanting
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 3: to get any money, I also understand a boycott. But
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 3: I will say here, movies, TV shows, and video games
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: employ a ton of different people. Yeah, any video game,
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 3: any movie that you might watch, any show that you
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: might watch, are going to have people on both ends
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 3: of the spectrum. That's inevitable. So you are, no matter
• 2:02:47
  Speaker 3: what you're doing, putting money in the pocket of somebody
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 3: that you probably don't agree with at any point. Now,
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 3: I will say, obviously there's a big difference in Rolling,
• 2:02:55
  Speaker 3: who like literally is paying into making a legal system
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 3: in the UK. That's unfair. I understand the difference between
• 2:03:01
  Speaker 3: that and like somebody who's an executive assistant, tradition person
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 3: who grabs coffee not being a fan of trans people.
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 3: But I will say this, the new show coming out
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 3: has Papa said he's avidly for trans people, So he's
• 2:03:15
  Speaker 3: getting money from the show. That's great. Do you want
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 3: to support that, and the same thing with video games.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: There are tons of people in the video game industry
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 3: filled with creatives. In general, creatives are very much on
• 2:03:25
  Speaker 3: the LGBTQI plus side of things, so that you are
• 2:03:28
  Speaker 3: going to be putting money in the hands of people
• 2:03:31
  Speaker 3: that are on your side and campaigning for the things
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 3: that you agree on if you are choosing to boycott,
• 2:03:36
  Speaker 3: and so I think it's fairly easy to say this
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 3: video game's worth it. I will also say, for the
• 2:03:41
  Speaker 3: bad actors out there, stop putting out fake information. There
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 3: was all of this stuff about Jewish stereotypes and the goblins,
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 3: that goblins were gonna eat babies in this video game.
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 3: There's a big social media guy who said that that
• 2:03:53
  Speaker 3: stopped the Jewish community for wanting to buy this in
• 2:03:55
  Speaker 3: several airs, And my adopted grandmother is Jewish, and I
• 2:03:59
  Speaker 3: went to tumble with her many times. I I double
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: checked because that that is not fair, that is not fun,
• 2:04:03
  Speaker 3: that is not good at all if that were to
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 3: be the case, and it wasn't the case. So a
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 3: little bit of a lesson here for all of us.
• 2:04:09
  Speaker 3: Double check right there, Yes, yes, and influencers want clicks.
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 3: Journalists always at the big spot want clicks as well,
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 3: but also are held to a higher status. So wait
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 3: for a journalist, uh, two journalists of sources to confirm
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: something that usually means there's some truth to it. One
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: influencer saying stuff, even if you think you might trust them,
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 3: not the news that you should be listening to.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 2: M Yeah, do your research, go to your source. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 2: And just you know, just to wrap up our may discussion,
• 2:04:49
  Speaker 2: so allot about the post launch updates. So we know that,
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: you know, beyond the core game, post launch support added
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: features and platform parody updates over time. So so this
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: brings previously exclusive items or content to more players and
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: also responding to common requests. So like photo mode other features.
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 2: I think photo mode, I haven't tried it, but I
• 2:05:12
  Speaker 2: think it's it's interesting. Yeah, yeah, because you can kind
• 2:05:16
  Speaker 2: of like customize it and just like frame it the
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 2: way you want it to and just it's it's a
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: pretty good, pretty cool feature. And and you know a
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: lot of people want it more content, They want it
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: more DLC. They wanted an actual like post game, but
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 2: you know, right now, Warner Brothers Discovery executives have publicly
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 2: signaled that a sequel is a major priority for the
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: game's division after the game's success. So it's more than likely,
• 2:05:44
  Speaker 2: almost one hundred percent sure. Just like you said, sound
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: like we are going to get a sequel to Hogwart's Legacy.
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 2: That is a fact almost you know, we don't know
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: when yet, but yeah, it's definitely coming, and I am yeah, Uh,
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 2: there's definitely going to be a lot more to come.
• 2:06:00
  Speaker 2: This is going to have its own like lore, and
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: it's going to become its own little universe. And and
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: I love that. I love the fact that you know,
• 2:06:08
  Speaker 2: we can have like these little established universes within this huge,
• 2:06:12
  Speaker 2: you know world that is the wizard World, this huge
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: like ip we like to call it in this podcast
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: where you're kind of like Wizarding World fans. Yeah, first,
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: we love Harry Potter, but it's as well we also,
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 2: you know, know how rich this world is and how
• 2:06:30
  Speaker 2: we can be to tell these stories.
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 3: If they spend some time actually exploring. Two things. Two
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 3: things to hear about the post game stuff. One, the
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 3: there has been a lot of mods released. Now. I
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 3: don't know if they're on PS five or Xbox as much,
• 2:06:44
  Speaker 3: but Steam has an incredible amount of mods that are
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 3: essentially allowed, like like, you can go into the game
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 3: add the mods on, and they're they're fan created mods,
• 2:06:55
  Speaker 3: and some of them are probably like creators of the
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 3: game that went in and added them, but it's not official.
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 3: And so you can add all of these different mods
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 3: and it changes the game experience a crazy amount. So
• 2:07:06
  Speaker 3: one of the things that's a big difference, right is
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 3: that Adrian was very firm with the team that you
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 3: cannot use your want inside the school because the wand
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 3: is essentially a weapon, and he thought it was inappropriate
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: to launch a game where you can use Avoda Caadavra
• 2:07:22
  Speaker 3: or other killing spells inside of school in the climate
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 3: of a bunch of school shootings. However, the mods now
• 2:07:28
  Speaker 3: allow you to do that. You can kill a student.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 3: It also comes with the mod where the Ministry of
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 3: Magic will come and fight you and try and capture you.
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 3: You can fight them, like. There's this like mod that
• 2:07:37
  Speaker 3: basically turns the game into Grand Theft Auto where you
• 2:07:40
  Speaker 3: go to Azkaban. We know that Azkaban already actually exists
• 2:07:43
  Speaker 3: in the game because Hufflepuff Side Quest goes to Azkaban,
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 3: so you can expand your terrarians. So the thing that
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 3: I was complaining about in the original game. You can
• 2:07:52
  Speaker 3: do that. You can do all of this other stuff
• 2:07:55
  Speaker 3: in the mods that are crazy, So I'm like just
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 3: a little bit into the game. With these mods, you
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 3: can choose what sees and it is, so you can
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 3: you can match up it being winter if it's actually
• 2:08:03
  Speaker 3: winter outside your window.
• 2:08:05
  Speaker 2: So that's cool.
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, if you guys have not played with mods on,
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 3: I recommend a big playthrough with changing it up where
• 2:08:13
  Speaker 3: you're like, all the cats that are in there, you
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 3: can actually capture them and put them in the Room
• 2:08:17
  Speaker 3: of Requirement now like you can have you can be
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: a crazy cat lee and just walk around and be
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 3: like pet you pet you, pet you pet you ouh.
• 2:08:26
  Speaker 3: That's great, yeah, exactly. Also, you can expand your costume
• 2:08:31
  Speaker 3: options so that you look a lot more modern. It
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 3: gives a lot more female options as well, that aren't
• 2:08:37
  Speaker 3: just the terrible eighteen nineties skirts with the tights all
• 2:08:40
  Speaker 3: the way up, so it's either pants or terrible skirt
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 3: or a nice dress. It expands your hairstyles, your hair color,
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: your glasses options. There's just so much cool customization that
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 3: comes with it.
• 2:08:52
  Speaker 2: I saw, yeah, I saw one that's actually Boltemore. You
• 2:08:54
  Speaker 2: play as bulls. Yeah, yeah, that's hilarious.
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I will also say my second play through that
• 2:09:00
  Speaker 3: I'm now working on, I've named my character Morganock as
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 3: his last name, walking around like hah, I'm the villain's ancestor.
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 3: All of you must be scared of me. It's like
• 2:09:11
  Speaker 3: in Pokemon, I named the rival in any of those games,
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 3: Tom Riddle, and it's just so funny because then Tom
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: has all of this dialogue.
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: Amazing.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, that's been our our venture into Howart's
• 2:09:33
  Speaker 2: legacy lore and it's been fun. It's been fun talking
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: about the game, a little bit about the background, having
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: this inside information from Sam. It's wildly appreciated. Yeah, so
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: thank you so much for being here. And yeah, we've
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: had a lot of fun discussing this game and hopefully
• 2:09:52
  Speaker 2: for more years to come and we get a ton
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 2: more content. So yeah, stay tuned for more.
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 1: We'll do another episode for Hogwart's like too. Yes, excellent,
• 2:10:11
  Speaker 1: all right, so on too, Sonoris. Last episode, we asked
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 1: our listeners what element would you like to see in
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: future Harry Potter video games. We've got a couple of
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 1: responses here, so of course, Jerry sent us an email
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 1: and Jerry says not sure if I know the correct
• 2:10:30
  Speaker 1: gaming terms, but I wonder if they could make a
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 1: Hogwarts Grounds and Castle tour version of Hogwarts Legacy, which
• 2:10:37
  Speaker 1: could include visiting the castle common room and so on,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 1: hopefully including the care and raising a beast without the
• 2:10:44
  Speaker 1: quests in battles. Yeah, that'd be cool.
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 3: It seems like a good mod that might honestly almost
• 2:10:51
  Speaker 3: might exist already. Yeah, who knows.
• 2:10:53
  Speaker 1: Maybe somewhere, And Jerry goes on to say otherwise, some
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 1: of the ideas that you floated at the end of
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 1: episode thirty eight sound like fun. I remember being gifted
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 1: with an English garden from Jacqueline Laws in greeting card line,
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 1: where I could grow different flowers with the seasons, arrange
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 1: things and so on. In a Hogwarts greenhouse and garden
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 1: game like that would be fun, although with magical creatures
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 1: even better. I would like something that can be played
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 1: at home with Wi Fi, either on a phone or PC,
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 1: rather than what I understand a Pokemon Go type game
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 1: that I think requires players to go to various places
• 2:11:31
  Speaker 1: with their phone and a data plan to capture things
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 1: that are only found in certain places. As my very
• 2:11:37
  Speaker 1: rural area has body cell service. In a very low
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 1: population density, and I understand very few things to collect
• 2:11:44
  Speaker 1: nearby for that sort of game. You folks design a
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 1: game for me.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 3: I trust your skills amazing.
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: Gladly let me just let me just go to college
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 2: and study video game programming and game design and I'll
• 2:12:01
  Speaker 2: do that.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we can be the think tank. You know. They
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 1: can hire us and we'll just give them all the
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 1: ideas and let them do the work.
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 2: We're already doing it.
• 2:12:12
  Speaker 1: So and then Lucy also sent us a message saying
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: playing with friends on Legacy and an option to just
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 1: do the side quest and not the main story. I
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 1: don't want to fight. I just want to run around,
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 1: but I need to do the main story to run
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 1: around all the places. Yeah, playing with friends would be
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 1: cool to play, super cool.
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, a little multiplayer again. I think what Jerry was
• 2:12:41
  Speaker 3: saying too, right, Like can we turn off combat for
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: a little bit so I can just go and explore?
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 3: Can we turn off spiders? Can we turn off infray?
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 3: Can we can? I just I just want the vibes.
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 3: I don't want peace, not war.
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, co op mode that would be Yeah, that.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 3: Would be co op co op gentle mode.
• 2:13:02
  Speaker 2: Mm hmmm hmm.
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 1: So, Tom, I don't know. I put this question in.
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 1: If we don't like it and we want to replace
• 2:13:15
  Speaker 1: it with something else we can.
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: I like it. I dig it, Okay.
• 2:13:20
  Speaker 1: I figure it would get us responses.
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, So for our discussion question, we'd like to hear
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: from you. So what do you think could happen and
• 2:13:32
  Speaker 2: its sequel to Howard's legacy? So be sure to drop
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• 2:14:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and Sam, where can people find you if they
• 2:14:05
  Speaker 1: want to look up you and your show?
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 3: Yes? Awesome. So if you guys are interested in listening
• 2:14:09
  Speaker 3: to Fantom shmannem as a reminder, we did Stranger Things.
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 3: All of those episodes are out. We are currently publishing
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 3: and recording for the Star Wars prequels later in this year.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: This is a first reveal we've hinted at on other podcasts,
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 3: but exclusive to you guys, we will be doing Avatar
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 3: the Last Airbender, the original cartoon series in preparation for
• 2:14:29
  Speaker 3: the movie about Aang and the Gang as adults coming
• 2:14:33
  Speaker 3: out in October, and then later we will be doing
• 2:14:36
  Speaker 3: some secret hidden science fiction that is not Star Wars,
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 3: definitely has a desert planet, maybe some giant worms, and
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 3: one of those movies is coming out in December, so
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 3: we'll be covering those fandoms in twenty twenty six. The
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 3: show that Shall Not be Named, of course, is coming
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 3: out in twenty twenty seven. I'm sure we'll be covering
• 2:14:54
  Speaker 3: that on fantom Shamanda, and we'd love to have you
• 2:14:56
  Speaker 3: guys on to help discuss that we can do maybe
• 2:14:58
  Speaker 3: a home and Home like we're doing. And of course
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 3: Nicole will be on our Revenge of the Sith podcast,
• 2:15:04
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• 2:15:07
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• 2:15:10
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• 2:15:12
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• 2:15:15
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• 2:15:21
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• 2:15:25
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• 2:15:27
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• 2:15:31
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• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: So hopefully you guys got time.
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 1: Awesome, very cool, and thanks again for joining us.
• 2:15:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you guys so much for having me. This
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 3: is so much much fun. I don't have enough people
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 3: to talk to you about Harry Potter in my life period,
• 2:15:47
  Speaker 3: and the ability to talk about Hogwarts legacy is always great.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: So thank you.
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 2: Just let us know when you want to be Yeah,
• 2:15:54
  Speaker 2: just let us know when you want to be back in.
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: And yeah, well any anytime you guys need to you
• 2:16:00
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• 2:16:02
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• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, an amazing time.
• 2:16:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah good, Thank you guys so much.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 1: All right, until next time, I'm I'm Tom and I'm
• 2:16:15
  Speaker 1: Sam Mischief managed