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Bonus: Athletics LLC S3 E12 'The one called LEGEND' July 1, 2022 · The Gill Athletics Track and Field Connections Podcast

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  It's bonus time, we're honored Athletics, LLC would allow us to
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  present to you the audio version of their weekly Friday Night,
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  YouTube series. Let's get to and see what the
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  crew has in store this week. This meeting is being recorded.
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  We're recording now. Hi, everyone.
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  Its Athletics, LLC time whoo-hoo.
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  This is so to note for the audience, this is the first
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  time, a recording on our usual day, usual time.
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  I think since December, I don't know the last time we actually
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  started at the prescribed time. Well, when did baseball season
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  start for you guys? Yeah, seriously, so, welcome
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  one. Welcome all to the to the Six
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  Ring Circus for the night called Athletics, LLC will go around
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  the table and say Hi. And then introduce those who
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  don't know to this fixed guest tile.
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  So to the Hungry Man, himself Clyde, how we doing, I mean,
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  Petty people. Oh my gosh, that's talking.
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  Oh, without a hesitation, that was awesome.
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  Governor, how are you today doing?
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  Well, I'm ready to go. So lucious, how are, you know, I
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  for the first time in like three weeks I'm able to breathe
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  Eugene. Absolutely crushed my sinuses.
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  Tom's. I was there and I just the best.
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  I felt literally in three weeks. So the fact that to go back out
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  there and 12 days is not that exciting but we'll figure it
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  out. Relishing the 12 days while they
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  are here. Exactly.
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  Lamar free Jasmine more often, man.
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  Oh boy, I think that says it. All right, that tells you what
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  kind of mood I'm in Oh my gosh. So last.
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  But very very much though, not least we have our guests with us
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  this evening. I think the one person who can
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  actually tame Lamar in the sense or very much trigger him at the
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  very next sentence, we have the wonderful women.
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  Victor how are you today sir? I'm good.
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  Thank you guys for having me. It's about time.
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  Thank you, thank you. And
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  it's about to go down. All right.
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  Well, a stance a position that Linden is familiar with and very
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  There are even Hots, not even the word.
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  Hellish topic just because of the heat of it the Bowerman
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  nominees or lack thereof. There wasn't a way that we
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  couldn't talk about it, but I know that it's been overly
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  discussed / the internet /, your coffee tables and text messages.
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  So you know, we'll let Lamar start off just because it's in
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  his name this week, not that we're freeing Jazz and more but
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  we're definitely a trying to put her somewhere, right?
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  Yeah, first off, I guess, let me, let me say this, before it
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  gets spun, I feel like the committee did an incredible job
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  with the three nominees that they actually on the women's
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  side were talking about with the three nominees that they put in
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  chairs. I I think maybe the most
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  egregious thing done by any track and field governing body
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  was not Having Jasmine boars fourth chair in addition to the
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  other three. Nobody needs to come off.
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  This is not a normal Year. Yes, I know.
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  They like, you know, we're only supposed to have three, but when
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  you have a year where you have this level, this level of
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  athletic greatness, those four people deserve to be, you know,
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  measured voted upon. And I mean, look here's the
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  thing. Any one of the four could win
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  and I could make a case for her against.
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  So I don't have a dog in the fight in that regard other than
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  I want to fight to have all the cover the correct combatants.
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  And I'm just going to rehash my arguments from earlier in the
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  summer or I guess. Summer.
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  If you have a perfect season and you are a field of enter and
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  they don't nominate you for an award, then they're basically
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  telling you that you need not apply.
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  Like I don't understand how you can possibly not have Jasmine
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  more in contention for about our mental ward.
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  In a year that she didn't lose in a long.
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  Just a triple jump competition at the national meat or the
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  conference meet. I just I don't get it and I
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  don't I think that position is indefensible and I'm gonna bang
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  on trash cans and and yell from the top of rooftops and do
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  everything I possibly can probably to no avail.
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  I'm probably punching are, but I just, I want the, the I want
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  those young ladies to all They at least got one loudmouth.
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  EP who says that? This right?
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  This wrong needs to be righted. I'm gonna jump in here and try
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  to be as concise as possible. Obviously, this is difficult for
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  me, because I don't want to fight so hard for Jasmine that
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  overlooked. The not only just the other
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  three, but the very special lady for my program.
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  That is on the is on the is in one of the chairs.
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  I have said for years that I think about women process is
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  wrong, I think they think it's right.
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  There have been people that have won the award before that, we
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  didn't agree with them to people win the Heisman, but I think
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  that in track and field would gets this wrong is There should
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  be an award for the track and field news, does the performance
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  of the year and then there should be a word for the
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  performer of the Year. Anytime you line up and do what
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  Jasmine does, there's got to be an argument for her to be in one
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  of the chairs. Right.
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  There was other ladies out there has incredible Seasons, Miss
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  Destin it and then was pretty nasty this year, right?
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  Brittany Wilson. I mean, come on.
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  So it's not just Jazz, did you know this?
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  Not there. That's not special for jazz.
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  Was just extra special but so the people out there that that
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  are thinking that I wanted somebody off of there.
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  No I did not really you know cam Rogers is done something
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  incredible. She got the top 10 marks ever in
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  the internet clearly you know what Abby has done?
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  This year has been phenomenal. Nobody's trying to take away
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  from anything and Obviously, I have witnessed, the greatness of
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  an alcohol on a daily basis. And as I shared with the EP
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  earlier, the disadvantage that Anna has, is it?
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  And I can't do what she does every weekend.
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  Right now she can't do almost every week.
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  She can't do a multi with you. I mean the kind of deep.
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  He said well she probably could but like not at the level that
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  that we need to you. I think for me, I hope we learn
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  our lesson here. And I hope that there's
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  something put into place that allows for.
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  When there is a great year, like this, your, let's not forget
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  about favor, Ophelia who, I mean, I think four weeks ago,
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  people thought she might be the Ballon d'Or winner because what
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  she was doing to that point, you know?
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  So, you know, there's a lot of young ladies out there that have
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  been phenomenal. So, maybe there's a caveat put
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  in there for to place that from this day forward.
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  I guess there's this kind of year you put four or five or
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  whatever you have to do to put up there to make it fair to
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  everybody. So you because Let's celebrate.
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  Everybody is my thing. Let's celebrate the greatest of
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  everybody because somehow, you know, when we're going through
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  this process, you know, don't trust me.
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  We're going to celebrate the hell out and all, you know, and
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  we should and, but it's kind of a slap to Jasmine to Britain to
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  Destin to favor, being helped, those four people could be in
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  the chair, you know? Do you could have a second
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  boundary show in the for them being?
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  So I think it's to the greatest of the ladies.
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  This year kudos to them, Applause to all them and all
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  their coaches. And like I said, I think that
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  there just needs to be something said that when you have yours
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  like this, you can put more than three up there to do.
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  What's right for the sport. I want to hear from the former
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  Barrowman finally what she do. I can definitely speak from.
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  From a different perspective from a lot of people.
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  And I also want to talk about am environment finalists because I
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  thought we're gonna we're gonna get there.
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  Will we will? We will stay in your lane young
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  man. Well yeah, I think I personally
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  think that is a tough decision to pick out of these for women
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  is just like you could pick, you can pick five different people,
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  and five different people have a different finals, you know, but
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  I just don't know how you leave Jasmine out of it, it might
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  like. So I do track and field, I run,
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  I jump I thought right? And to win.
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  The thing is is like I didn't think she was a favorite to win
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  the lonja in my opinion and the fact that I knew that she was
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  gonna win the Triple but in fact that she won the lawn job in a
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  few were tagged, it means is there and all these other women
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  are entire getting was a finalist last year.
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  And the wind both indoor and outdoor.
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  National Championship, that's a mute.
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  Like I expected them to win the Triple but the fact that she
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  came back and won the long jump, that to me is really, really
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  impressive. You know, it takes a different
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  type of person to take 12 germs, you know, International Talent,
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  International meet, and come back and win both of them.
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  So the thing is, we're human. Like a human judgement,
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  everybody thinks different and everybody have their reason
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  because I'm sure that these kind of people had their reasons why
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  they left her out. I just don't know why my opinion
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  but yeah, I'm not that's not a knock from, I mean, what Abby
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  did was just phenomenal and what Oh, that's crazy.
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  Like, there's this phenomenon is crazy, and what I wanna do is
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  just hit crazy to win 2-1 the forger hurdles at the national
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  me. That's, that's ballsy.
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  That's what I was saying, because, yeah, there's a lot of
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  things that could go wrong. So we, we think you should have
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  jumped into foreign orders when you were.
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  Yes, and the fact that she pulled it off was amazing.
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  I mean, what, what's the name didn't have?
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  The the top 10 marks in the event.
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  That's just yeah, that to me. So I don't know.
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  I don't know. I just don't know if we have
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  four chairs. Like when do we call it off?
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  You know. Like what if a year if we have
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  five NCAA Collegiate record holder, do we have five chairs
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  and then we have six chairs if that's what's necessary to
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  celebrate the the efforts, you know?
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  I mean, I think it's, I think sometimes it's right.
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  All right. Yeah, I think for Okay.
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  Again like you said, everything is subjective.
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  Here is like what our thoughts and feelings on.
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  I just sometimes think that the Balmain committee gets caught up
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  in performance versus the year, right?
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  There's been some people that have won the award because they
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  had a phenomenal NCAA Championship.
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  All right and didn't do anything indoors.
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  I've seen people on the final list that competed in doors
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  turned Pro and were gone outdoors and they remained on
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  the bottom of this, the rest of the year.
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  So, who's paying attention, right?
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  So that's my thing here is like, let's learn from it.
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  Let's make it better. People need to recognize that
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  track and field is evolving. You know, we will one of those,
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  those we call the learning curve with our athletes and with our
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  children. And so there's a learning curve
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  going on and everybody's getting better.
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  And I think that people need to pay attention to that point.
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  Like if you break it you know it is basically you've got 12
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  people and they get to rank their one through four maybe or
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  one through whatever and then they can they get points based
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  on where the each of the 12 rank them, right?
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  So, should it be like that? Like okay, if I bring the
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  Collegiate record, I get 12 points.
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  If I win a National Title and I get 12 points, I don't know.
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  The thick of it again it's like so you could have somebody that
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  shows up at the outdoor conference and National meats
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  and do crazy stuff. But then how do you do you do
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  break on the re-breaking, a National Record above winning a
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  national title. You know, so I don't know how
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  you do it again. It goes to the mindset of the
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  people on the panel, you know, and I'm clearly the people on
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  the panel didn't value Jasmine's performances as much as they
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  value. The others, I mean, I am not
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  ever going to bash the pedal like I mean, I know we want to
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  sometimes but you know, we live in a society where people's
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  opinions or their opinions and so this was their opinion so I
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  wasn't I was trying not to in my Affairs I was Two bass, their
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  opinion. I was just saying, maybe this
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  one did. This is a, you should add four,
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  maybe even five chairs up there. Because the women's field was
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  that deep vision. I'm gonna bash anybody's
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  opinions. That doesn't put somebody who
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  doesn't lose one damn time in a year in a chair.
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  Yeah, for me, I don't know what you got for.
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  Is that dudes fired up tonight? We'll try to keep your body
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  control jiggly. Yes, who me?
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  It's I just look at it from from one standpoint and it's again I
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  think when you have Awards like this that are subjective and you
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  have a group of people that are making up making these decisions
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  you know, I mean, the Heisman, you can go down the line.
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  They're all of these different awards that try to encapsulate
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  someone season. Someone's performance throughout
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  the year. So I'm looking at the list,
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  right? And I'm trying to understand,
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  okay. Does it matter what the athlete
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  did strictly from an NCAA standpoint?
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  and I mean, what I mean by that is, are you just looking at it
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  from dominating, the NCAA Right. Because if that is the case, if
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  you're looking at what Jasmine more did during the NCAA season,
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  No brainer like it just there's there's no way you don't include
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  her, you just, right? So when you make a decision to
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  Omit, Jasmine more, are you saying that the athletes that
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  are, there are now going above and beyond NCAA?
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  And you're now looking at their actual performances, And you
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  know, equating what they're doing with the professional
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  World, whatever. I don't think you know we your
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  kind of having two arguments at the same time because there is a
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  huge push right now and there's either these conversations that
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  are be having that are talking about not allowing perfect
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  collegians, they should not be competing with the
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  professionals, right? That is a real conversation
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  right now, we can get into that bullshit like Yes, we are.
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  So again, are you equating the athlete against his or her peers
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  in the NCAA? Are you judging the Baumann?
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  On what an athlete has done during the Collegiate season.
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  If that is the case, it is cut and dry.
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  It's and the spirit there should be no argument.
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  We should not be having this conversation.
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  So, you know, I, I know there's going to be a lot of
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  hand-wringing and they're probably going to be a lot of
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  conversations between now, and when it actually happens, I
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  think it's a shame for, for Jasmine's and not be on that
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  Podium and not be on that stage. She deserved it, she did not
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  lose, she dominated. Okay.
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  So, I have to question and look for the for Clyde starts.
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  Let let us be clear that hearing Gainesville we're done with
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  this. You're right, we are getting
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  ready for the world championships.
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  We have, you know excuse my language, we got shit to do,
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  right? And we are going to support Anna
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  at the highest level because everything the Kareem just said
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  about Jasmine. Also applies to a Also applies
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  to cam also applies to a be right.
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  So I want everybody to stop acting as if we're not
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  celebrating the, the other three.
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  Because we are because they were phenomenal this year.
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  And obviously I'm biased until for my girl, of course, I'm
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  supposed to be right? Yeah.
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  For both of my girls and they're like, you know, the everybody on
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  the panel, understand this, except for Linden, you know,
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  you're only is unhappy, you're only as happy as your unhappiest
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  child, right? And so, When Jasmine's unhappy,
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  she's like my child. But so I got a, I've got a fight
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  for for Jasmine, but I also gotta promote and celebrate
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  what, what Anna did this year, because it was incredible.
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  Uncle, I go ahead. I'm sorry, Linden was about to
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  say, okay. Do you think that if Jasmine
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  haven't had jumped seven meters? But I just just going back to
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  what Korean was talking about, like what are you basing?
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  It out if you're busier and dominance or what do you think?
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  She had jumped seven meters in the long jump.
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  It would have been a different story.
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  I think that's a question for the, for the pain.
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  Yeah, yeah, that's question for the and again, like because
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  there's 12 people, you know, and there's 12 different opinions.
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  So there's 12 different people on this panel who have their,
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  you know, everybody has their favorite, whatever for track and
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  field, right? Because track and field that dad
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  first So there's somebody on the dad, really likes the distance.
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  Run into somebody likes to throw somebody like this.
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  So it's going to get go in there, you know?
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  No tar, Davis jump, seven meters, she didn't win it last
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  year, mmm. Alright, so I'm going
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  basketball, we're surprised we're surprised.
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  This is the panel published, can I?
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  Can I Google the panel? I don't think so, right?
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  I'm not though, I'll see. So if it's Google I would love
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  to know that. Here's my issue, I don't like
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  panels. But if we're going to have them
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  much like college football, playoff handle your put on you,
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  I knew that I knew that was coming.
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  Oh yeah you're supposed to have an
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  ability to evaluate and properly, you know, in a
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  Professional sense, be able to explain your choices.
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  So I don't like panels and I also don't like when panels run
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  from explanations of tough choices.
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  My problem is this if there was ever a year where the Bowerman
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  could look at the field and, you know, take on some some you know
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  communism and add a fourth chair, you know, that's cool.
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  You know you could do that because it's because it's
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  worthy. All four women are worthy of
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  being on that stage period. End of story.
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  And I like everyone else will Echo that.
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  No one is openly advocating that someone get pulled off the stage
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  and you insert Jasmine more. However, if you're going to be.
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  So this, the Bauman's a TV show, okay?
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  That's what it is now. You can be creative enough to
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  shorten. The little promos of each person
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  enough to squeeze the fourth chair in John Anderson can tell
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  one, or two less jokes? Even though we love him and we
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  don't want that, right? Maybe you get the coaches to
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  talk a little less. Maybe the video clips are a
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  little shorter. I don't know what you got to do,
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  to make it fit your framework. But in this particular example,
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  the only right answer is you have four chairs.
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  But if we're going to be stringent and archaic and say,
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  nope, it's three. And that's the way it's going to
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  be and damn it. We're not breaking that
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  tradition. Cool, there's no metric that
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  exists. No matter which side of this.
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  You want to argue where the answer doesn't come out.
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  Jasmine Moore's on the stage. What we have all been told is
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  that the Bowerman award is the Heisman of track and field and
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  it is all about the NCAA season. So if you're into Point
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  Gathering, Jasmine, more wins. If you're into, who won the most
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  national championships last stock last, I counted the other
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  three women on the stage one. A total of four, National five,
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  national championships, and Jasmine mourned by herself 14.
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  So if that's your standard Jasmine's on the stage, if your
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  standard is where their individual performances stack up
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  in the all-time Pantheon of NCAA because remember, it's a college
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  award. Last time I checked didn't
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  Jasmine more break her own National records this year.
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  Make sure they said indoors. Right so you know she's number
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  one like everybody else is number one, as I understand.
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  Now if you start getting outside of that bubble and you want to
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  bring in extra context to break the ties, that's cool.
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  I'm a huge fan of can Rogers. I worked on Berkeley staff.
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  I didn't coach her I'm not a throws person but can't Rogers
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  is number nine all the time in the history of the event not in
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  college in the world. So if you want to throw in that
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  context to break the tie with the other two, ladies, I'm with
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  that but it has to start first and foremost with the Collegiate
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  stuff and Jasmine. More is number one.
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  If anything, she should be the favorite to win, not off the
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  stage. and the other thing that I found really, really
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  interesting if and please, this is more so for Lucius, if he
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  would be the one to know, when Marquis didn't D1, did he not
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  have basically the exact same resume, the Jasmine has He did,
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  he went, I was my favorite like, like, like, like literally, even
• 26:42
  up to the fact that the only competition both of them lost
• 26:45
  it. During their year, was she lost
• 26:47
  the long jumper, Texas, relays, and so, did he?
• 26:51
  That was it. And other than that, they were
• 26:53
  almost identical, right? So Marquis dendi is, his season
• 26:58
  is good enough to be enshrined forever as the winner.
• 27:03
  The Jasmine can't get on the stage that doesn't make any
• 27:07
  sense to anybody. And my point is that they know
• 27:12
  that they screwed this up because they lock the comments
• 27:16
  because they don't want to talk about it.
• 27:17
  If you're going to make that kind of decision, then you step
• 27:20
  out there and you explain it. and you take your lumps that
• 27:24
  way, you know, I is Jasmine more, a senior sir, No.
• 27:30
  Okay, so the Gators can't have anything to do with this.
• 27:33
  So somehow, some way I am, I'm promoting that somebody in the
• 27:38
  world not connected to the Florida program, get that young
• 27:42
  lady and outfit and get her a plane ticket and she crashes the
• 27:45
  stage in Colorado and somebody just hit her ass it's in
• 27:51
  Orlando. So there you go.
• 28:00
  This is the thing to to I believe.
• 28:02
  So that's what that's I think it's yeah it was supposed to be
• 28:07
  in Colorado. I will much prefer to go to
• 28:09
  Orlando, crash the party maybe man.
• 28:11
  That's finished it so we're not crashing any party.
• 28:53
  It just is what it is. It is what it is.
• 28:59
  DP you are muted. I don't know if you realize that
• 29:02
  only know I muted myself for all because I didn't want to just
• 29:06
  pile on and doesn't curse words. So, I want, I need the committee
• 29:11
  to step out and explain how we landed here, because whatever
• 29:16
  combination you came up with this is the only one that made
• 29:20
  zero sense, pushy. And again, the explanation is
• 29:25
  there's a panel of 12 they rank. They're people.
• 29:30
  Yeah they're assigned points for the rankings.
• 29:32
  They get from the people on the committee.
• 29:34
  Yeah. And then they get a point total,
• 29:36
  right? So that means people Jasmine
• 29:40
  more was not one or two on everybody's ballot, which is
• 29:44
  insane. Come here, I have the breakdown
• 29:50
  building up the panel, the panel is consisted of national and
• 29:53
  Regional media Personnel track and field statisticians.
• 29:57
  NCAA collegiate. Administrators past winners and
• 30:00
  presidents of affiliate organizations.
• 30:04
  It is based on another past winners.
• 30:07
  Don't get a vote until the until they until they made the final
• 30:11
  33. And then, so based on it is
• 30:14
  based on the players regular season performances.
• 30:19
  Moreover, and this is the noted part.
• 30:21
  The UST scca can members and fans Collective collectively
• 30:28
  receive one vote during the Bowerman voting.
• 30:30
  We actually just got that email two days ago.
• 30:34
  Pearl the ballot on each ballot. The first choice is worth 3
• 30:39
  points. The second choice and third
• 30:42
  choice votes, receiving two, and one points respectively.
• 30:45
  So as their ballots are submitted, that this is how I
• 30:47
  read it as those ballots are significant.
• 30:50
  You see, I think you're talking about the final three.
• 30:53
  Yeah, you're talking about, we're trying to talk about the
• 30:58
  three or decide. Yeah okay so then the panel of
• 31:04
  Not the breakdown. So that's all that.
• 31:06
  That's all they give out lying in this and so that's why I'm
• 31:11
  saying I don't like panels and if we're going to have panels
• 31:14
  then we need transparency. Because listen if you want to
• 31:18
  build this award into what it has become, if this is the
• 31:22
  Heisman of our sport, the Heisman is supposed to matter.
• 31:27
  So if the Heisman matters damn it.
• 31:29
  We need to understand how we arrive at these decisions.
• 31:33
  Again whoever wins wins we're talking about.
• 31:36
  Yeah you could have just put another chair up there and no
• 31:39
  one would have complained and your TV show would have still
• 31:42
  been intact so he we should probably would have been better.
• 31:46
  Would have been better, definitely would have been
• 31:48
  better, so I'm not feeling it. And now we can probably get into
• 31:53
  the man cuz I'm not really feeling that one either.
• 31:58
  Well, let's let's start with our, let's start with our guests
• 32:01
  as to what he thinks of the of the men's Bowerman.
• 32:06
  Finalist mean, having been one of those sir, you are truly an
• 32:11
  expert more of an expert than any of us on this panel.
• 32:15
  I don't know that. But yeah, I thought it was a
• 32:20
  thought, is a really good feeling me.
• 32:22
  Personally, I'm happy that we have a multi on it.
• 32:24
  Yeah, you know, I think I think all the guys had a really,
• 32:29
  really phenomenal season. You know, I have a personal
• 32:35
  bias. I think that the woman, you
• 32:37
  know, rightfully so has all the buzz about it, but I'm really
• 32:41
  excited to see, you know, because I feel like the man is
• 32:46
  kind of up for grabs. In a way, you have Owen, you
• 32:51
  have the her left, forearm FSU, and you have the 400 guy.
• 32:57
  What's the name Randall for us? Randolph, who all had like
• 33:01
  ridiculous season. So I'm really looking forward to
• 33:05
  that. I wish I had a vote for the
• 33:06
  first time, you know? I wish I had a vote for for
• 33:10
  environment because I'm really excited about that.
• 33:13
  I personally think that the committee did a good job with
• 33:15
  selected, these three finalists, let's be clear.
• 33:20
  We all know. Use vote for the multi.
• 33:23
  Yes. There you have it folks,
• 33:33
  completely unbiased. Governor, what you got here?
• 33:44
  So, I think I have an idea of where this is going and I have
• 33:52
  an idea who's going to win. I think you know when you look
• 33:58
  at this this this final this Trio you know things things have
• 34:06
  been trending in a certain direction.
• 34:08
  I mean if anyone has been paying attention and and reading about
• 34:14
  NCAA track and field on the men's And, and who's getting the
• 34:18
  most buzz and that sort of thing, I think, I think it could
• 34:23
  be a, pretty simple. This thing could be come to a,
• 34:26
  pretty simple conclusion, right? And once again, you know you
• 34:35
  look at that list and you wonder you wonder like how how did they
• 34:41
  come up with this list, you know, it's It is diverse.
• 34:47
  I love I love the fact again. Just echoing what what what
• 34:51
  lenders Linden said, I love the fact that a multi athlete is in
• 34:55
  there. A multi athlete that set the
• 34:58
  NCAA record in the decathlon and you know, NCAA Champion.
• 35:07
  So you know Brando Fross obviously you know he has you
• 35:14
  know the last two Here's a mean, he has pretty much elevated
• 35:18
  himself to the next, you know, the next in line for, you know,
• 35:24
  for the 400, he's elevated himself to that.
• 35:29
  What's up guide? The last two years.
• 35:31
  What last year got to do with this issue.
• 35:34
  I'm just I'm talking about my friends.
• 35:38
  Did I not start a couple of weeks?
• 35:47
  So I'm I am I am making the argument or I'm trying to say
• 35:59
  that this situation is a lot more about Trends than the
• 36:06
  woman's final three I you know so I'm going to leave it I'm
• 36:15
  actually going to stop. Talking at this point because,
• 36:23
  you know, once again, they're definitely some deserving
• 36:28
  athletes that are not on this list.
• 36:31
  I mean, we can, I can probably, I can talked Ad nauseam about
• 36:37
  who should be there all of this. But my answer to the question is
• 36:44
  that This, this has been coming from a long time ago.
• 36:50
  I'm honest. I'm just going to leave it
• 36:51
  there. At least the woman's thing was
• 36:58
  difficult to ponder. Mmm, I don't understand how this
• 37:03
  one's all that difficult to ponder last year Randolph.
• 37:08
  Ross phenomenal season 100% deserve to be on the stage.
• 37:14
  Hmm. This year Ain't no way in hell.
• 37:17
  You telling me he's on the stage above.
• 37:18
  Joe family, doesn't make any sense.
• 37:23
  It doesn't make any sense at all.
• 37:25
  And again, it's about the Collegiate season, right?
• 37:28
  Not apparently Soul. Yes.
• 37:31
  A. So they both won two national
• 37:35
  championships. Individual.
• 37:37
  Right? Did either one of them break, a
• 37:42
  national record. No.
• 37:46
  So if they both won two national championships individually and
• 37:49
  neither one of them broke National Record how does Joe his
• 37:53
  performances are more valuable because they were the number one
• 37:57
  contributing factor to the national championship.
• 38:01
  He's got the Cherry. Mmm, Tre, absolutely.
• 38:05
  Oh, ain't no one's absolute. And either one of them should
• 38:09
  probably win the award over Joe. But there ain't no way you won't
• 38:15
  tell me to Joe's off the street and ran over offices on not this
• 38:19
  year the culmination of your career.
• 38:23
  Don't mean anything. If it meant something then
• 38:25
  Edward says Iraq would be a Bowerman with who boy several
• 38:30
  times. Got it on PC and committee
• 38:40
  forever. There you go.
• 38:42
  And I realized that during the whole thing is like, I have
• 38:47
  never forgiven him for that. Yeah, I never met the guy.
• 38:51
  He's one way in CA championships than any man to ever walk
• 38:54
  because you're in it. Yep.
• 38:56
  And he was never the best guy, honestly.
• 38:59
  I think he was his freshman year and they were like, well, yeah,
• 39:02
  he's a freshman, it'll be okay. And then he wasn't the best
• 39:07
  right, right. Yeah, so that's my beef with the
• 39:12
  men. Like the men wasn't really kind
• 39:13
  of complicated shit to me is very clear and cut top three.
• 39:17
  Yes, I'm how we missed on that one.
• 39:19
  And I think that the same argument we use with the women
• 39:23
  is probably what her Joe because he didn't have the big indoor
• 39:27
  season and the other three did the other three were enduring
• 39:30
  national champions. You know, if you look at the
• 39:32
  national championships, he has the same number and that's what
• 39:35
  captions to all of them do except for they all did it
• 39:37
  indoors and out of, he just did it Outdoors.
• 39:40
  Really, that's harder. Hey.
• 39:42
  Hey, I'm not on the panel. Don't shoot the messenger.
• 39:46
  The qualification? They be Bowerman winners.
• 39:49
  Don't have to compete indoors. Oh, really.
• 39:53
  Now they don't have to have competitive out indoor season 1.
• 40:20
  Okay, so now I'm like look because this season.
• 40:33
  No, so now I get it. So indoor indoors doesn't
• 40:35
  matter. So if endures doesn't matter,
• 40:38
  then all. Hey, look, baby, Josie be on the
• 40:41
  stage. Hello.
• 40:43
  I mean, I have this debate earlier.
• 40:47
  Do you probably should have told me that in the same breath
• 40:51
  though, did it then hurt him because he competed in indoor
• 40:56
  season? You know what I mean?
• 40:57
  Like if you omit it, then it's water.
• 41:21
  And win the 100 and the 200 at NCAA division 1.
• 41:25
  Then it is the wind the indoor and outdoor for I'm sorry it's
• 41:29
  harder. What Joe did was harder and it
• 41:33
  meant more Because the team got a trophy.
• 41:35
  So they're losers insert Lucius in the history of the NCAA.
• 41:39
  How many athletes have won? The 100 and 200 at the national
• 41:43
  meet? The you do we know?
• 41:48
  I know. Okay.
• 41:49
  These are people that I know. Okay.
• 41:51
  Obviously Joe was some, the Texas Tech Guy to just, did it?
• 41:56
  Yes. Oh to the guru.
• 41:57
  Yeah, I get it. The grass, the grass.
• 42:03
  Yeah, he wanted in 1581 100 and 200 so someone else has done it
• 42:14
  because right now, this is all yelling Gatlin did not, right?
• 42:17
  Yeah. Gavin did grab the do so.
• 42:20
  Yeah. Guys, to be an Olympian, I mean
• 42:28
  lyrics. And when night and into Monday.
• 42:34
  Okay, all right. Yeah.
• 42:37
  So, it hasn't been a ton of them, not feeling this.
• 42:40
  I can't think of, Okay, I don't know.
• 42:44
  I don't know what else is good. Come on.
• 42:46
  Anybody else. The other.
• 42:50
  Yeah. EP.
• 42:51
  Who else has done it? That, that, that's your, that's
• 42:53
  your wheelhouse Linda. Do, you know?
• 42:56
  Oh, I mean anybody? I mean prior to that you're
• 42:58
  talking about, you're going all the way back.
• 43:01
  Like, I think Frankie Fredrick's didn't, but it's not when I was
• 43:04
  in, I was in 91. Hmm, it auto do it.
• 43:07
  Yeah, it'll work. I don't think I think he won one
• 43:14
  without the other. I think, I don't think he won
• 43:16
  the think. That's correct.
• 43:17
  I think you won. I think he won the two and fall
• 43:19
  started in the one or something like that.
• 43:22
  And I got there 10:00 because he falls started.
• 43:27
  Maintain Big. Joe did something that only
• 43:31
  Olympians and half of them who move on to get medals or
• 43:34
  exactly. Exactly.
• 43:36
  And yes, I'm not feeling this one at all, not at all.
• 43:39
  Sorry. All right.
• 43:44
  Yeah, I can't find the answer to that.
• 43:47
  I'm let the fans fans can send us a.
• 43:50
  Well, like I said, like, your I think before that group, you're
• 43:53
  going to go back to, I think, I want to say Frankie and like 91
• 43:57
  or for to whatever it is, or 90 or 91, ladies 91, but then like,
• 44:02
  but beyond that, like, You talk about a long time ago then?
• 44:07
  Yeah. It's probably still isn't very
• 44:12
  many and wow let's not. Let's not ignore the fact that
• 44:18
  coming into the season because of last year Randolph, Ross was
• 44:21
  the favorite to do what he did. Nobody, I'm not even sure
• 44:26
  everybody on the gator campus had Big.
• 44:28
  Joe, winnin the hundred So, he upset the field.
• 44:35
  Some. So since you put that out there,
• 44:39
  we tell you, when let me tell you, when I thought Joe was
• 44:41
  going to win the hundred the last pushy different.
• 44:45
  The blocks before we went out on the track for the 100 years.
• 44:48
  Hmm and I said to myself because because what he did on the track
• 44:51
  wasn't even close to what he did in the back.
• 44:53
  Right. I said to myself now you do half
• 44:55
  of that, they got a problem. Yeah and he did get a little
• 44:59
  less than half and he still they had a problem and obviously at
• 45:03
  50 meters in the race. I was like oh yeah.
• 45:05
  That they're done. Yeah, he's about to do what?
• 45:08
  Does but no like my thing with that whole situation is I can
• 45:13
  guys like what I've learned over the last few days is that you
• 45:17
  know this is a opinion-based award it's even more so clear on
• 45:21
  that than before and not something that I need to get my
• 45:26
  blood pressure up about it's no matter who wins.
• 45:31
  This award this year on the Minotaur women there's gonna be
• 45:33
  people to walk away and be upset.
• 45:36
  I've witnessed that you As one of the other finalists will
• 45:41
  grant one that was really pissed off like hot.
• 45:44
  It felt that their guys should have want you know not sure why
• 45:49
  but that's the way they felt right?
• 45:51
  And you you're here. Yeah.
• 45:54
  And so like I think that we need to understand that this is an
• 45:57
  opinion based award and that this panel of 12 people has the
• 46:02
  pulse of America as a pulse of the world in some ways.
• 46:06
  And we can't let this create this content.
• 46:08
  Reverse C, and forget to celebrate everybody involved.
• 46:13
  Even those who are not on the stage and I guess the thing
• 46:15
  because when we 10 years from now we're going to be talking
• 46:19
  about this season, right? We're going to be talking about
• 46:23
  think about this favor old feely. 34 weeks ago was the NCAA
• 46:28
  record holder. You forgotten that?
• 46:31
  Yeah, right. Britain Wilson is like the
• 46:35
  number two or three. Four hundred in the history of
• 46:38
  the event. ENT and nobody's talking about
• 46:40
  that, right? It's crazy.
• 46:43
  You know destined this year record holder.
• 46:46
  I was talking about that because it because, you know, we need
• 46:50
  that, in my opinion, we need to find a way to celebrate This
• 46:54
  Woman's class because they are one of the best ever in my
• 46:59
  opinion. Yeah, one of the best ever.
• 47:04
  Okay. So, like I say this, okay, of
• 47:06
  the people that were on the the, take the 10 people that were the
• 47:11
  semi-final is, right. I think it were ten of them were
• 47:14
  that correct? It's okay, I'm old.
• 47:16
  Let you pick five of them is how many points you scored?
• 47:18
  The NCAA me. Forget over 100.
• 47:21
  Oh yeah she just take five of them right?
• 47:23
  Oh yeah. That's that's how good they are
• 47:26
  this you know and let's celebrate that you know you know
• 47:29
  won't pick up her What's weird is we had a points conversation
• 47:41
  competition and we actually one of the things we picked was High
• 47:45
  Point scorer and we all pick Jasmine more. it's and so, so
• 47:55
  I'm gonna let you guys in on the inside conversation I we landed
• 48:00
  in Eugene and I call the EP we have our you know, we talked at
• 48:05
  least once every day or two and so he said to me did you guys
• 48:08
  get there safely? I'm like yes he goes.
• 48:10
  Okay, it's Jasmine's more how she felt like a castle great.
• 48:15
  And he goes, you do understand no matter what people think
• 48:17
  she's going to win the vote. He said, in no world, am I ever?
• 48:21
  This is before we do the predictions on the show, but is
• 48:24
  there no world where I am picking his Jasmin more?
• 48:27
  Because she doesn't know how to This is what he said, he said,
• 48:31
  he said to. There's two things you can
• 48:32
  count, right? That Jasmine's went in and
• 48:36
  Anna's winning. And and he said, he said this,
• 48:39
  he said Anna will challenge the Collegiate record while it's
• 48:42
  doing the double. He said that to me on the phone
• 48:45
  like literally an hour, I forgot the Yugi.
• 48:48
  So, he's smarter than we give him credit for some time to to,
• 48:52
  I don't want you to do this now, okay?
• 48:55
  But I want you to since I'm on the questions at the end of the
• 48:59
  show today, I want you to tell me before I start Jasmine more
• 49:04
  scored 40 points at the national championships this year, how
• 49:09
  many did all the other people on the stage men and women total
• 49:14
  score? The six nominees or the Bible.
• 49:21
  But I don't think it's going to be much more for you.
• 49:23
  Well, it's going to be equal to 40 because
• 49:41
  you're okay. Yeah, the one about the outdoor
• 49:50
  me. Yeah I was the outdoor me so on
• 49:54
  the season and a score 28. Okay, we haven't scored 28 the
• 50:01
  hard way but not for the season.
• 50:25
  No, no. What's next?
• 50:30
  Jasmine dropped off the 40 Burger.
• 50:35
  Let's next question definitely includes our guest tonight.
• 50:42
  The legend himself. No Legend.
• 50:44
  Yes it is, you know, the big conversation right now and
• 50:48
  whether it's on one side or the other is going pro.
• 50:52
  And is there a correct answer as to when how, you know who do you
• 50:58
  go pro with all those questions that Encompass when do you go
• 51:02
  pro? When is it time to to?
• 51:04
  I would like, I would like to ask if you may, please read the
• 51:08
  comment from this Johnson because I think that Really
• 51:12
  leads leads to a Johnson pleasure Johnson, caught the
• 51:16
  Tweet. Yes.
• 51:19
  Got it. I mean right now I'm going to
• 51:21
  send it to where you got it. or you can read, if you haven't
• 51:26
  read it, if you got it, if you have a faster than I
• 51:43
  She says. TV this man.
• 51:47
  We talk mom. We'll talk about a lot of things
• 51:56
  she says I had because I want to make sure I read it properly.
• 52:00
  Whole she said, I had a Collegiate athlete asked me if
• 52:03
  he /. She should go pro even though
• 52:07
  they have the talent, I told them to stay in school, all
• 52:10
  caps, it's an easier Journey with support and resources.
• 52:14
  I promise you. That that was the Tweet Legend.
• 52:21
  The floor is yours, sir. Lifting it up to the corner
• 52:24
  there. Yeah, I think I think she has a
• 52:28
  very good point and that's because somebody that went pro
• 52:31
  not I think Student-athletes have this perception that when
• 52:37
  you go pro, you go to make a lot of money.
• 52:42
  And they have this perception of going pro, is the end of the
• 52:47
  year. you know, and I know I'm speaking from experience because
• 52:54
  when I went pro, it happened so fast that nobody told me what
• 53:00
  happens when you go for, you know what I mean?
• 53:03
  All, you know, is that all you finish the national meet you
• 53:06
  sign with an agent and you go pro.
• 53:09
  But what happens? Yeah.
• 53:13
  What a, what encompasses, all that?
• 53:15
  Like you no longer you've been in the shelter of the school
• 53:18
  system for four years, and you no longer have that and it
• 53:21
  happens to abruptly, like, all of a sudden like, okay, you
• 53:26
  can't use the culture of no more or you can It get the same
• 53:30
  treatment that you used to use that used to get any more, you
• 53:34
  know, if you, if you are sick, they just bringing a doctor for
• 53:37
  you. These are the things that nobody
• 53:40
  tell you, when you go pro, everybody thinks that, okay?
• 53:44
  I'm just going to sign this big shoe deal even when you sign a
• 53:46
  shoe deal. Like you, I thought as long as
• 53:51
  you win NCAA and you break a Collegiate record, the
• 53:54
  automatically going to get a big pity, like that's so
• 54:02
  professional athletes. Track and field athletes.
• 54:05
  Make it seem. Hmm, or you just look at one set
• 54:09
  of people and thing that everybody live the same life,
• 54:12
  you know. I wish that I was the coaches,
• 54:18
  get educate the athletes before they go pro on things that
• 54:23
  happen like you got to pay your agent.
• 54:59
  Don't get me wrong. Far.
• 55:09
  And few between that almost never happens.
• 55:12
  Right? What you get a shoe company to
• 55:14
  pay for your school and all these other things.
• 55:17
  But like, I'm sorry. But I might have to agree with
• 55:21
  the tweet in some ways, very like, okay, I know you have the
• 55:25
  ni L stuff now, like, it's know you could probably be in school.
• 55:32
  I make sixty thousand dollars like you and that money is not
• 55:39
  taxed. You have to fear agent like I'm
• 55:42
  sorry I wish I could go back to school right now and like if I
• 55:50
  stay in school and you tell me that I could do everything I do
• 55:54
  and you will pay me 50 thousand dollars.
• 55:57
  I'm not leaving My senior year every year you you avoid all of
• 56:07
  this drama. It's not as in my opinion that
• 56:13
  is like everybody may have a different view like the Spinners
• 56:16
  go make this million, they have four million dollars but that is
• 56:21
  so rare that that happens in our Sport and sometimes like even if
• 56:27
  And this is the crazy part, even if you are Sprinter, like, they,
• 56:30
  the shoe combination, I gave as low as possible.
• 56:34
  Like for as low as possible. And then, even if you sign for,
• 56:38
  let's say, I'm a sprinter camera card and I get 200,000 right.
• 56:44
  That 200,000 you only probably seen 120,000 years and honestly
• 56:54
  right now, 120,000 not a lot of money today going with it
• 56:58
  especially if you live in California and and that don't
• 57:01
  get me started. If you go forward from here,
• 57:05
  then you might add for 100,000 miles.
• 57:07
  We'll just stay in school, the timing. most of them are, hey,
• 57:15
  you are the MVP of this show, because you talked about truth,
• 57:23
  Okay, true. Look.
• 57:28
  Let's take it one step further. Okay.
• 57:31
  Let's say you sign for 750 thousand dollars.
• 57:36
  How much are you actually grossing?
• 57:40
  When it's all said and done, right?
• 57:44
  Like it's, you know, every every time whether it's an NFL
• 57:50
  football player, or a major Leaguer or somebody that has a
• 57:55
  Moment of clarity, And goes on a Twitter rant and starts to break
• 58:01
  down the numbers of their contract and what they ended up
• 58:05
  paying their agent and their therapists and all of these
• 58:09
  things. And what they actually end up
• 58:12
  with its it is mind-boggling. it is absolutely mind-boggling and
• 58:22
  there's so little education out there, you know, from the
• 58:26
  standpoint of, hey, You have two more years of Eligibility left.
• 58:31
  Okay, we are in the ni L age, okay?
• 58:35
  And they're knocking on the door.
• 58:37
  They want you to come out. They want you to go pro, can you
• 58:41
  literally stop for a second? And let's let's do some
• 58:44
  comparing and contrasting. Okay.
• 58:49
  Housing is taking care of your Foods, taken care of your
• 58:52
  therapies, taking care of your travels taken care of your
• 58:54
  equipment taken care of all of that costs money.
• 59:01
  Right when it's all said and done all of that you coming out
• 59:06
  of your pocket to pay for that. Also I walk with a lot of
• 59:11
  athletes are not mature enough to go pro and that's a big like,
• 59:17
  yeah is mature enough to go pro. But like a lot of a lot of
• 59:27
  athletes like especially if you don't have like, if you have a
• 59:31
  college quote and then you got to go on a circuit by yourself,
• 59:35
  like it takes maturity to be a professional athlete.
• 59:38
  It takes maturity like when your coaches away.
• 59:42
  With a group and you got to train by yourself.
• 59:46
  Like these are the things that they don't tell you when you
• 59:49
  become a professional athlete and like 18 years old, 19 year
• 59:56
  old going pro, not a lot of people have that, and don't get
• 59:59
  me wrong, there are some that do, but there's some that some
• 1:00:03
  time, one more year in college. Maybe the best thing that ever
• 1:00:06
  happened to me. Well, so, to that point, I mean,
• 1:00:10
  let's be clear. There's been very, very, very
• 1:00:13
  few people who have skipped College all together and made it
• 1:00:19
  or came out after year one and had successful careers.
• 1:00:23
  I mean, there might be five, right?
• 1:00:26
  So, that's great. I want to jump in here because I
• 1:00:28
  think Lamar Lucius will have much better closings on this
• 1:00:32
  topic than I would. In 2012, when I was working at
• 1:00:37
  Academy of Art, that's Ty Thomas was on my roster and usatf
• 1:00:44
  shenanigans, prevented her from running.
• 1:00:46
  The hurdles at the Olympic trials, she had to sit around
• 1:00:49
  and wait to do her secondary event, which was the long jump.
• 1:00:51
  And if I remember correctly, she had to jump her life and
• 1:00:54
  finished fifth overall, just barely missed this year.
• 1:00:58
  And there were agents and people coming up to me talking about,
• 1:01:01
  oh, you know, you want to sign her.
• 1:01:03
  And because, you know, she was flattered by all of this, she
• 1:01:07
  was legitimately considering it until we got back home.
• 1:01:11
  And I put a piece of paper in front of her and I said that,
• 1:01:16
  here's what it hears, what I spend for you to be in school,
• 1:01:21
  your tuition, your housing, your room, your board, your books
• 1:01:23
  knowing IL at the time, right? Here's the price tag for that.
• 1:01:28
  Now, how much are you going to spend on your therapy?
• 1:01:32
  How much are you going to spend, you know, to fly your
• 1:01:34
  chiropractor out, blah, blah, blah, blah blah, this little
• 1:01:38
  piddly thirty thousand dollars, they talking about, that's that
• 1:01:40
  bullshit. Don't you dare play yourself
• 1:01:44
  that way? Don't you dare?
• 1:01:48
  And luckily I had the trust and build up the relationship enough
• 1:01:52
  with her that she was able to listen to me.
• 1:01:53
  And that was a one-day conversation and she never
• 1:01:55
  thought twice about right. But because there's no
• 1:01:59
  collective bargaining because there's no organized floor.
• 1:02:04
  Our sport is probably the dirtiest grimiest Pro game.
• 1:02:09
  There is on the planet, it ain't the PGA it ain't it ain't it
• 1:02:16
  ain't none of that and if you do it wrong you might be Pro with
• 1:02:21
  some Nikes but you can be living on somebody's couch and that's
• 1:02:26
  not a joke. We I know people that have done
• 1:02:29
  that. Yeah.
• 1:02:30
  So for me, I'm just like, listen the, the tweet that Miss
• 1:02:35
  Johnson, put out there is a proposal.
• 1:02:37
  It's very true. And I hope whoever she gave that
• 1:02:40
  advice to chose to listen to her.
• 1:02:44
  I just don't, I don't like the grime Enos of what it takes to
• 1:02:49
  go pro and be Pro in this game. Tiana told me something once.
• 1:02:54
  She said in order to win a medal, that's a hundred thousand
• 1:02:58
  dollar investment of my money. Yep, not the salary.
• 1:03:04
  I'm being paid. I have to spend a hundred
• 1:03:07
  thousand dollars. Yes, to legitimately have a shot
• 1:03:10
  to win this metal or if you're going to have a team behind you.
• 1:03:14
  That's right. You have a right?
• 1:03:16
  That's right. And just everybody who's young
• 1:03:18
  is, considering turning pro Solutions has a whole bunch of
• 1:03:23
  people on his campus that, you know, we should probably be Pro
• 1:03:26
  Wonder Once you turn pro. All of these people who are
• 1:03:31
  currently your support system in theory, you got to pay them all
• 1:03:37
  now. Yeah, it's not it ain't sexy.
• 1:03:42
  So unless you have a one of these you know can't turn it
• 1:03:47
  down dollars, you know you really should pay attention to
• 1:03:50
  what you're doing in this fats. A fact of the matter is, a lot
• 1:03:52
  of the people that lose in this game, come from places where
• 1:03:56
  they never had money, never seen money.
• 1:03:57
  So a hundred thousand dollars looks like money.
• 1:04:00
  Yeah that ain't mine. Y'all got it.
• 1:04:05
  Okay, so my thoughts are really simple on this.
• 1:04:09
  Like, I think the The word that gets people in trouble.
• 1:04:13
  Here is Agent. See that sounds I'm a quote my
• 1:04:17
  man Ronnie green. That sounds real sexy, I have an
• 1:04:20
  agent right? Well I have an agent, I have an
• 1:04:24
  agency, right? But the agent of the agency,
• 1:04:29
  can't do anything for you unless you do something for yourself.
• 1:04:34
  There's not an agent on the planet that has not been made by
• 1:04:38
  the athletes that they are able to suck.
• 1:04:40
  Sign. Hmm.
• 1:04:41
  Okay because I'm girl that runs 52 flat get some hires an aging
• 1:04:47
  you're wasting your ink. Yes.
• 1:04:49
  Right. Because the agk do anything for
• 1:04:52
  you until you run 49. Mmm, right.
• 1:04:57
  Yeah. Because is it as you can go out
• 1:04:58
  there and get you? Yeah, I can get you to go to
• 1:05:00
  this meat. Well, you go to the meet and you
• 1:05:03
  let's say, you go to the meeting you win, so you win $500.
• 1:05:07
  Well, I don't know if it's gone. Yes, okay.
• 1:05:14
  And then by the time you do what you had to do, you get back.
• 1:05:16
  And you spent $300 and you, you know, you basically, you broke
• 1:05:20
  even at best at best. So, so the word agent, the word
• 1:05:25
  agency gets people in trouble because, again, it sounds sexy.
• 1:05:28
  It sounds like, hey, I made it. I have an agent, right?
• 1:05:31
  But I tell everybody that comes to me and talk about being a
• 1:05:34
  professional. You make the agent better?
• 1:05:39
  Based on how fast you run or how far you throw or a lot higher,
• 1:05:43
  higher long jump. It's not the agent makes you
• 1:05:47
  better. And I think that's the whole
• 1:05:49
  fallacy in this thing. Is that, okay, I'm going to get
• 1:05:52
  an agent and I'm going to do this.
• 1:05:54
  But then, like you said, unless you have parents or somebody
• 1:05:58
  that's going to fund, you you're going up sleeping on somebody's
• 1:06:02
  couch, trying to make this work. And which is why, you know, you
• 1:06:06
  stay in school, you get your degree, you know, fortunately,
• 1:06:09
  if you're here in Gainesville, you can still use a cold tub.
• 1:06:11
  If your progress Dollars hundred.
• 1:07:05
  Twenty thousand dollars is much more money than most people make
• 1:07:07
  in their first job. So they should take that
• 1:07:10
  contract. Now, the 30,000 contract that is
• 1:07:13
  Criminal against the law. Hey, I think, I think that
• 1:07:19
  people should be arrested for offering contracts that.
• 1:07:21
  Yeah, right. That's just and that's what's
• 1:07:23
  wrong with tracking feel like, you know, there's no there's no
• 1:07:27
  slots, right, right? Yeah, the business just look at
• 1:07:31
  what's going on right now, okay? If there's anybody with a brain,
• 1:07:35
  the highest paid, the two highest paid female athletes.
• 1:07:38
  In the next three weeks, you're going to be a be Steiner and
• 1:07:41
  Melissa Jefferson and neither one of them have wanted.
• 1:07:46
  One thing. No, not a thing.
• 1:07:50
  Have we not learned from what we?
• 1:07:51
  We just went through, with? We know with, with the other
• 1:07:54
  child, right? So I was like, I'm going to
• 1:07:58
  continue to just give money people for running a Time, okay?
• 1:08:07
  And, and that's, you know, but that's, that's an issue.
• 1:08:10
  Look, look, I think Iran night and like, most of you guys do is
• 1:08:15
  a phenomenal, young town, you know, but the money that was
• 1:08:19
  given to him. Well, he's only 16 but that's
• 1:08:22
  why you don't give him all the money.
• 1:08:23
  Yeah, you know. And so luckily, he's got a
• 1:08:27
  little grit to him. He wants to grind it and make
• 1:08:30
  movement. But just, what's ruins is sport,
• 1:08:33
  is that that we give these people that have done nothing,
• 1:08:36
  these big contracts. And then now there's no
• 1:08:39
  developmental system and I know we've beat this horse to death
• 1:08:41
  on the show before, right? That's what's killing track.
• 1:08:45
  I feel right now is like there is no developmental system.
• 1:08:49
  There's nothing. So just just to add to your
• 1:08:53
  point Before I Let You Go Lamar. You know, I would love To see
• 1:08:59
  someone track to see how many athletes actually go up in
• 1:09:05
  contract after their first contract in track and field.
• 1:09:12
  I would love for someone even if it's a conversation off the
• 1:09:17
  Record, you know? Hey, let's go have a beer.
• 1:09:20
  Let's go, let's go, let's go to this, is this chat?
• 1:09:23
  Okay, tell me off the Record, right?
• 1:09:26
  I'm doing, I'm doing my own Research here.
• 1:09:31
  And I don't think the audience understands what I'm saying.
• 1:09:35
  You all you guys doesn't less than 5% less than 5%.
• 1:09:39
  That is, what is wrong with our sport?
• 1:09:43
  Like you can use. There's so many different things
• 1:09:47
  but listen to what I just said, okay, there are very few
• 1:09:52
  athletes that do what regular professional athletes do where
• 1:09:58
  they get their rookie contract, right?
• 1:10:02
  They play to the rookie contract, they ball their butts
• 1:10:07
  off and then they get there. Real contract.
• 1:10:11
  That does not exist in track and field.
• 1:10:14
  Okay, so when when someone that's advising a young male,
• 1:10:20
  young female and says, hey, you better get everything you can
• 1:10:25
  get now, Okay. It's it's it's a sad situation
• 1:10:33
  and because we don't have a collective bargaining.
• 1:10:36
  We don't have a union. We don't have any of that stuff
• 1:10:40
  where athletes can put their foot down.
• 1:10:42
  And say, hey, these, this is how this should work.
• 1:10:47
  He's just going to continue tomorrow.
• 1:10:49
  Hits floor is yours. I mean there's so much to unpack
• 1:10:55
  so I'm going to try to unpack this succinctly and
• 1:10:58
  point-by-point as humanly possible.
• 1:11:01
  First, I think the greatest truth told out there is how far
• 1:11:09
  from my actual understanding of the real world, the vast
• 1:11:12
  majority of these young fledgling Pro / professionals.
• 1:11:18
  Bar look left with let's take a what I would consider.
• 1:11:24
  I think a good contract and track, unfortunately, because
• 1:11:28
  the biggest issue we all we've already beat to death.
• 1:11:30
  Is there is no floor, there is no league and there is no
• 1:11:34
  benefits involved in being a track and field athlete.
• 1:11:37
  But if you get 100 Grand, right? And you're and you're an
• 1:11:41
  American, you a hundred thousand dollars is a quality contract
• 1:11:45
  and the shoe company believes in you and it's got bone.
• 1:11:48
  Nurses and rollovers everything else in it right?
• 1:11:50
  Even if it's got, you know, no reductions.
• 1:11:54
  First of all, your agents could for that particular, but the
• 1:11:56
  whatever, right? The hundred grand starts out
• 1:11:59
  like day, one is 100 Grand, okay?
• 1:12:02
  So no matter how you slice it, 35 Grand of that, belongs to
• 1:12:07
  Uncle Sam, You should be paying your coach, something.
• 1:12:12
  I'm not going to go into that topic as that'll drive me crazy,
• 1:12:15
  and, but we'll just call it a number, right?
• 1:12:18
  There's some more money missing, right?
• 1:12:21
  And then in this world, most of these people have agents and the
• 1:12:26
  Agents charge and inordinate amount of money.
• 1:12:30
  But for easy math. Let's I mean because 15% to
• 1:12:33
  attract a field, agent is insane when you consider a baseball
• 1:12:36
  agent who actually works there, Glasses off for each client,
• 1:12:39
  makes five right, but let's just call it 10 percent because it's
• 1:12:43
  an easy number. All right, so that's turn
• 1:12:45
  around. No, no, no 15-15-15, right?
• 1:12:52
  So you're hungry because the agents actually have a union,
• 1:12:54
  don't they? Yes.
• 1:12:58
  So your hundred on day one, when Uncle Sam's done with you and
• 1:13:02
  the agent is done with you. The hundred is 50.
• 1:13:06
  Okay. That's, that's off tops.
• 1:13:08
  Now, you got you should be paying your coach, whatever that
• 1:13:11
  is right now. You have to assemble your team.
• 1:13:16
  So whether you can figure out how to get these things free or
• 1:13:20
  not is up to your mouthpiece. And and what kind of person you
• 1:13:25
  were when you were on the college campus, if you Burning
• 1:13:28
  Bridges or you know, or whether the shoe company picked you up
• 1:13:31
  and move you somewhere, but at the end of the day, you're going
• 1:13:33
  to have to pay for physio. Massage therapist chiropractor.
• 1:13:40
  Facts can't do this sport without those three things every
• 1:13:44
  week, right? Everything, right, so, so so
• 1:13:48
  that's going to cost you where I'll be kind and say that's
• 1:13:53
  going to cost you ten Grand, right?
• 1:13:57
  So at the end of the day, your hundred thousand dollar
• 1:13:59
  contract, like, don't call it, a hundred, call it 40, right?
• 1:14:05
  Because what you have to work with is 40, Right.
• 1:14:10
  And so what you really need to consider and I said I've been
• 1:14:12
  saying this for two decades. Track and field is the hardest
• 1:14:15
  sport in the world to be to be a professional.
• 1:14:19
  In and you really have to consider whether that's the life
• 1:14:23
  you want, whether the pursuit of World Championships Olympic
• 1:14:28
  Olympic championships and, and Records is worth it to you.
• 1:14:33
  Because if it is, then it is right.
• 1:14:36
  But if it isn't It's actually understandable, right?
• 1:14:41
  It's actually understandable, but it speaks to what I think.
• 1:14:45
  We finally put numbers to what I've been saying about.
• 1:14:47
  The fact that there is no League, there is no bottom and
• 1:14:50
  there's no professionality to the sport of track and field
• 1:14:53
  because all of that, that we just said, is not explained to
• 1:14:57
  collegians, as they're sitting down with agents.
• 1:15:00
  After the NCAA meat because we know we're not breaking any
• 1:15:03
  rules and and shoe companies are throwing money at them.
• 1:15:08
  Right, like they did look when you're when you're a broke
• 1:15:11
  college. Kid 100 grand.
• 1:15:14
  Sounds like a ton of money. Yeah.
• 1:15:15
  And it is but but all of us who've done adulting understand
• 1:15:20
  what 100 Grand really means, right?
• 1:15:23
  Like, you don't get that whole hundred, right?
• 1:15:27
  Right CCC. And these are, these are real
• 1:15:29
  conversations, right? Like agent contacts athlete
• 1:15:35
  athlete's says, I need you to sit down this - to my coach.
• 1:15:39
  Agent says, I am going to charge set athlete 20% of everything
• 1:15:46
  she artist. My response is why, right?
• 1:15:51
  Agents responses, because I need to pick up the, I'm going to be
• 1:15:54
  the one negotiating it in said athlete into meats and I said,
• 1:15:59
  okay. But why 20%?
• 1:16:02
  Because you can't pick up the phone until said athlete
• 1:16:07
  performs at a high level. So you want to take the number
• 1:16:12
  of agents that have said to me when so and so with me they were
• 1:16:17
  rolling. Right?
• 1:16:20
  So every time an agent says is to me please excuse, my French
• 1:16:24
  Micah. If you are watching, what in the
• 1:16:27
  fuck did you have to do with this person running fast?
• 1:16:32
  Right? So please help me here.
• 1:16:36
  They were rolling when they were with you because the coach and
• 1:16:38
  the athlete or out in the Sun, every day busting it but getting
• 1:16:42
  athlete, to win high level. Right.
• 1:16:45
  It's just it's criminal. Yeah it's criminal.
• 1:16:49
  And and so and it is because the vast majority of them don't do
• 1:16:53
  the they don't do the tough agent work which is all the
• 1:16:57
  stuff, all of the off the track money for athletes, right?
• 1:17:03
  Like we don't see a whole bunch of track and field athletes at a
• 1:17:05
  whole bunch of commercials, right?
• 1:17:08
  That's because that's really hard to do right?
• 1:17:12
  Is yours. Coral and Jackie.
• 1:17:16
  Yeah, Sid bright. Like it's not actually that hard
• 1:17:20
  to Market, Sid. She's young, good looking at his
• 1:17:23
  one, everything, right? Like that's that's not tough.
• 1:17:27
  That those you're answering phone calls.
• 1:17:28
  Not making phone calls. Hmm.
• 1:17:32
  And I also think 20% of that go ahead and take it.
• 1:17:36
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:17:37
  You don't get CNN. And that is exactly.
• 1:17:41
  And that's my thing is like, okay, we have to find a way to
• 1:17:46
  help the development of athlete. We have to find, okay.
• 1:17:50
  That in my opinion is, what's wrong with the launcher in this
• 1:17:53
  country because they don't make any money.
• 1:17:55
  Yeah, don't so say, don't, they can't afford to be jumpers,
• 1:18:01
  right? So if you find a way to get them
• 1:18:04
  money off the track, then then they'll be able to perform
• 1:18:07
  better on it and then they can get the bigger contract.
• 1:18:11
  But everything is so skewed a minute in Legend said it earlier
• 1:18:14
  like the sprinters get all money.
• 1:18:17
  Yeah. Right is he I have said it in
• 1:18:19
  and you know kind of quietly but you can make it.
• 1:18:21
  You can send put your chest into a dog.
• 1:18:26
  It's it's true and I agree completely with Tiana.
• 1:18:32
  I tell you a metal is going to cost you.
• 1:18:36
  You can't do it any cheaper than twenty thousand dollars.
• 1:18:40
  It's going to cost you at least 20,000 dollars of your own money
• 1:18:44
  to win a medal. Yeah.
• 1:18:47
  Right? If you have to, if that involves
• 1:18:51
  an international stay, that's probably double.
• 1:18:54
  Mmm, right? I can tell you like my bronze
• 1:18:57
  medal, definitely cost more than 20 because I had to write a
• 1:19:01
  check for ten thousand dollars for us in in Sydney before I
• 1:19:05
  ever made the team, right? So like at the end and that
• 1:19:10
  wasn't for me, like that was for Coach coach physio chiropractor
• 1:19:14
  family. Right?
• 1:19:16
  So at the end of the day like, you know, like all of these
• 1:19:19
  things cost, a tremendous it look, it cost a lot to be a
• 1:19:22
  professional athlete, but football players and basketball
• 1:19:26
  players. Baseball players, make a whole
• 1:19:27
  lot more money. Rights of.
• 1:19:31
  So they can pay all of those bills, but it isn't very
• 1:19:34
  expensive to be a professional athlete, which is why they make
• 1:19:36
  a lot of money in theory. So, a couple of things that I've
• 1:19:42
  been holding on to one, not only are the agents and and this is
• 1:19:46
  in having conversations with Lyndon at this point in
• 1:19:51
  conversations of the exiting. You know, fifth-year seniors
• 1:19:54
  that I've been able to be around this year and just being with
• 1:19:57
  this group, the agents are just as much the demise of the
• 1:20:01
  athlete because they of the limitations they said among
• 1:20:05
  themselves like, oh that meets not good enough for you so
• 1:20:08
  you're not going to go there or that.
• 1:20:10
  It's not good enough for you so you're not going to go there
• 1:20:12
  without without actually communicating.
• 1:20:14
  So as much as they're trying to one up for themselves, like they
• 1:20:18
  are actually the demise of the athlete on top of not even
• 1:20:21
  helping mathlete at times. I feel and then to, oh dang
• 1:20:29
  we're just talking, I already lost thought, damn it.
• 1:20:34
  Well let me say this and maybe this will spark something in
• 1:20:38
  living make remember your part, right?
• 1:20:40
  Right. The biggest problem with the
• 1:20:41
  agency, a just need to be agents.
• 1:20:44
  They want to be coaches, they want to be therapist, they want
• 1:20:48
  to be everything, but what they are your job is to get track
• 1:20:51
  meets, your job is to negotiate a contract, not to tell people
• 1:20:54
  what events are run, not to couple how to manage the events.
• 1:20:57
  Have some people, how to do anything to do with track and
• 1:21:00
  field, do your jobs. So, the agent is sitting with
• 1:21:04
  the athlete, you know, well, you know, you need to tell your
• 1:21:07
  coach need to do more of this. You tell you guys can do more of
• 1:21:10
  that. So my response is always okay.
• 1:21:13
  I'm going to call it deters tomorrow and tell me that they
• 1:21:15
  needed help book. How would that make you feel?
• 1:21:18
  Well coach, why would you do that then?
• 1:21:20
  Why are you trying to tell them what they should be running?
• 1:21:22
  Hmm, because clearly I did my job to get them where they are
• 1:21:27
  and you thought I was good enough to do that.
• 1:21:28
  So let me do my job and the agent until the agents really
• 1:21:33
  are gotten under control track is never going to get any
• 1:21:36
  better. It can't Because and I've said
• 1:21:40
  this track and field coach of the biggest prostitutes on the
• 1:21:43
  planet, we work our butts off every day.
• 1:21:49
  Somebody else to get 20% of what of our work.
• 1:21:54
  And I'm gonna get off that soapbox because big lie.
• 1:22:09
  The earnings that's even inflated, right?
• 1:22:12
  Because if you're not a top Premier like one or two
• 1:22:15
  Sprinter, it's minimal at that and you know I had to burst a
• 1:22:20
  bubble need. Knowing the least amount of
• 1:22:23
  this. This group here, experience or
• 1:22:25
  knowledge wise had to break burst of Bubbles and athlete.
• 1:22:28
  Like we were talking and he was like, okay, well, you know, if I
• 1:22:32
  do this I think I can get this and I was like, yep.
• 1:22:34
  Nope. I'ma let you know now because
• 1:22:38
  you're going to sign for less and what you're going to lose
• 1:22:41
  very off. Cops is your health insurance
• 1:22:45
  because you don't have health insurance, that right there cost
• 1:22:49
  way more than anything else. You know, I feel that a phone
• 1:22:52
  call today, you know, I need to know who's taking summer courses
• 1:22:56
  because if they're not taking summer courses, their insurance
• 1:22:58
  is done. And that literally hurt my heart
• 1:23:01
  for the athletes who I know like had thought about that yet.
• 1:23:04
  Yep. And so like man, these are the
• 1:23:07
  conversations and poopoo on the agents who are not bringing that
• 1:23:11
  to light who are razzle-dazzle thing with these five thousand
• 1:23:15
  dollar contracts agreement with these brand sponsors is it'll
• 1:23:19
  neighbors and then you know the athletes light up because the
• 1:23:22
  like oh well I'm going to get a small kid or a pair of
• 1:23:26
  sunglasses or get to wear this. Brand name with me, whatever it
• 1:23:30
  might be, whether it's Whataburger in and out.
• 1:23:32
  Whatever, like know your ni Ells way better than that, because
• 1:23:37
  you're not going to have to pay a percentage.
• 1:23:39
  You didn't have to pay an agent for it and they can to you, you
• 1:23:42
  did nothing. Yeah, you know, on this group
• 1:23:45
  text that we have we've talked about open doors and I'm pushing
• 1:23:48
  open doors to everybody that I can push it to because it
• 1:23:52
  literally does the work for you. So anyways, that is my soapbox
• 1:23:57
  on that mr. Victor is there anything that
• 1:24:00
  you wanted to highlight before we allow you to rest?
• 1:24:03
  Before we kill you two are Buster but tomorrow and talk to
• 1:24:05
  you. Now, you know why?
• 1:24:26
  We would love to have you. All right.
• 1:24:52
  Sir, will you enjoy the rest of your day and get some rest?
• 1:24:56
  I see you guys in the morning. Yes sir.
• 1:24:58
  Good night my buddy. Good night sir.
• 1:25:05
  I want us to move on, but I want to say, I want to say something
• 1:25:08
  cuz I think that the rest of the world should understand this in
• 1:25:12
  in the sport of baseball, All baseball agents, make 5%.
• 1:25:20
  We are capped at 5%. Okay.
• 1:25:23
  I have been a baseball agent for three seasons and Scott boras
• 1:25:33
  has done. Like I think I want to say it's
• 1:25:39
  like you know forty or fifty billion dollars worth of
• 1:25:42
  business. Some nonsense, it's a giant
• 1:25:43
  number right? But we both get paid 5%.
• 1:25:48
  That's what is cap that So it doesn't matter that he has the
• 1:25:53
  best athletes and I have burgeoning athletes, right?
• 1:25:57
  But in but in the sport of track and field like who you have in
• 1:26:02
  some of these agents worlds, like justifies them.
• 1:26:04
  Getting paid more. Yeah.
• 1:26:06
  In their minds, right? Or I mean I kill it.
• 1:26:09
  I can't even say like, it's not even there - because they get
• 1:26:11
  it, maybe not from everybody but they do get it.
• 1:26:13
  And and I and listen, I look I'm not anti agent obviously, I am
• 1:26:17
  one but I will say even when I was an athlete right, like
• 1:26:24
  Probably ninety percent of the people in track and field.
• 1:26:27
  Don't need an agent. No.
• 1:26:30
  And, and that's why, that's why the ones who are smart enough to
• 1:26:35
  figure that out. You know, for example, when
• 1:26:38
  Alison became Allison, the first thing she did was damn all that
• 1:26:42
  my brother's my age. Hmm?
• 1:26:45
  Right. Sonia Richards had her mom as
• 1:26:47
  her agent. Yep.
• 1:26:48
  Right. Because they figured out like
• 1:26:50
  actually, what am I paying these people for you and the funny
• 1:26:55
  thing I always tell people about the out, the whole Allison
• 1:26:58
  situation is too. A West Felix is one of the
• 1:27:01
  bigger better agents in the game, right?
• 1:27:04
  But he wouldn't be if not for Allison putting him on.
• 1:27:09
  Yeah. Right.
• 1:27:11
  Like, you got to manage Allison. So these other doors opened up
• 1:27:14
  to you. It's always about the athletes
• 1:27:17
  in this business, you know? Yeah, it is.
• 1:27:22
  It's very, you know, we've said this a bunch of times but it is
• 1:27:25
  amazing. Like the amount of money
• 1:27:27
  generated in the sport and how little of it is Actually, an
• 1:27:29
  athlete answer. It's actually amazing.
• 1:27:33
  It's in everyone else's next to, I know, let's move on all
• 1:27:41
  things. USA championships.
• 1:27:44
  So in that, you know, we want to highlight what happened.
• 1:27:47
  Obviously the results of it because we're doing USA
• 1:27:51
  championships can't can we get another tweet read?
• 1:27:54
  Can we get the, can we get the Dwight Phillips tweet?
• 1:27:57
  Yeah, so that's why I was getting there.
• 1:27:59
  I was laying the table, I laid the table and now here's your
• 1:28:02
  appetizer. So there was the comment the
• 1:28:07
  tweet in question. Sorry.
• 1:28:09
  I'm not going to pull it out fast enough.
• 1:28:11
  I pulled up the wrong phone thing.
• 1:28:12
  It if somebody beats. Triple free.
• 1:28:16
  But there was a comment made about and as it's been made, you
• 1:28:20
  know what I mean. The stadium is not as full as
• 1:28:25
  projected. What's the problem I've seen it?
• 1:28:29
  You know? I'm now part of the cool kids
• 1:28:31
  club. I'm part of mr.
• 1:28:34
  Drummond's. Group that he alluded to it took
• 1:28:37
  like four months to get the invitation but I'm now in and so
• 1:28:40
  now I see the flurry that you all were talking about at that
• 1:28:42
  point, you know, is organ what it really is?
• 1:28:47
  And they said this, what was it at pre about just Why are people
• 1:28:53
  not showing up and so well that I don't think that was the one I
• 1:28:58
  was making reference to. But if you want to talk about
• 1:29:00
  the attendant, you know, oh no. Well, let me, let me repeat
• 1:29:04
  that. Let me read the tweet that you
• 1:29:05
  wanted real quick. I'll just think.
• 1:29:07
  I'm sorry, USA. For USA's the flights to Eugene
• 1:29:11
  was, were eleven hundred dollars to fifteen hundred dollars.
• 1:29:15
  By the time you get a hotel for two or three days.
• 1:29:17
  That's another K Rental Car, $300 food, hundred dollars.
• 1:29:21
  Now you're looking at between twenty two hundred and three
• 1:29:23
  thousand dollars College. Athletes have a have a major
• 1:29:26
  Edge, only the top Echelon of prose and that was in cat that
• 1:29:30
  was in quotes which I dude like can afford the trip.
• 1:29:37
  That's that's the Tweet. First part of attendance, my
• 1:29:41
  apologies, I let off wrong. Governor.
• 1:29:52
  It follows the same. I mean we talked about it.
• 1:30:01
  You. if you don't have, A sizable contract with bonuses.
• 1:30:11
  Travel, you know, all the Clauses, you can think of.
• 1:30:16
  When you think about what an athlete has to pay for, okay?
• 1:30:22
  You are literally paying to go to the championship.
• 1:30:25
  You are paying money. To take care of yourself.
• 1:30:32
  If you have the wherewithal to take care of your coach, you are
• 1:30:37
  paying for that. You paying for transportation.
• 1:30:40
  When you get there okay you're paying for food, all of these
• 1:30:47
  things have a price tag. Right?
• 1:30:52
  So, you know, while you're in it you know and Lamar you know
• 1:30:58
  we've been there, right? You're not thinking about
• 1:31:02
  sticker shock. You're not thinking about the
• 1:31:08
  fact that by the time you leave Eugene and go back home, you
• 1:31:12
  easily could have spent three to four thousand dollars of your
• 1:31:15
  own money. You're not thinking about that
• 1:31:19
  because your eyes on the prize, right?
• 1:31:23
  You're going there because you want to be USA champion, you
• 1:31:27
  going in there, because if you don't go there, there is no
• 1:31:30
  World Championships. There is no rules.
• 1:31:35
  There is no pan am's. There's none of that.
• 1:31:38
  You have to go, okay? But for the ones that don't have
• 1:31:44
  that money, that is a massive dent in their income.
• 1:31:50
  All right. Okay, now I'll take it one step
• 1:31:54
  further. What is the prize money at
• 1:31:57
  USA's? What does the winner get eight
• 1:32:02
  thousand dollars? It's eight thousand dollars for
• 1:32:06
  the champ. Wow.
• 1:32:07
  Yeah, okay. Just so we're clear.
• 1:32:10
  It's eight thousand dollars now. Yes, you would.
• 1:32:13
  When you and I were competing. It was a medal.
• 1:32:15
  It was a metal. It was a pat on the back.
• 1:32:19
  Hey, great job. You know and so that's that is
• 1:32:25
  that is fact that it's a fact. It's really, it's really 6400.
• 1:32:32
  There you go. Yes I mean you know what and
• 1:32:38
  Uncle Sam still gives. Okay, first of all let me say a
• 1:32:45
  semi pro athlete with an agent and you somehow allow your agent
• 1:32:49
  to take 50. In percent of your prize.
• 1:32:51
  Money foam is a gracious last. Whoops speaking but wait a
• 1:32:59
  minute, the go We all respect the athletic.
• 1:33:09
  Career of mr. Dwight things.
• 1:33:14
  This tweet is one of these things where it's like it's
• 1:33:18
  factual, but the context is all backwards.
• 1:33:23
  Because here's the here's my issue.
• 1:33:25
  First of all that sounds like a you problem.
• 1:33:28
  Secondly, the fact that you through Eugene in there as if if
• 1:33:32
  the meat was in LA or if it was in Des Moines or if it was in
• 1:33:36
  Austin, you won't going to spend that same money, you're lying.
• 1:33:40
  What it is isn't that just saying, right?
• 1:33:42
  So unless the meat is in Atlanta, you gotta go, I guess
• 1:33:45
  the whites not, right? So it's it feels like a lot of
• 1:33:50
  whining. And, you know, if you choose
• 1:33:53
  this profession, you know, figure it out.
• 1:33:56
  Now, we all have to know don't second proposal ones I can chew
• 1:34:00
  while you watch Clyde is continuing, this will you please
• 1:34:05
  pull up the results of the women's lingerie?
• 1:34:07
  Yeah. Great question, please.
• 1:34:10
  Yes, please. Yeah.
• 1:34:11
  Okay. Glad and so you know listen we
• 1:34:15
  all agree that the governing body could do more could I could
• 1:34:21
  do a better job of supporting said athletes.
• 1:34:25
  There are stipends if you're ranked high enough to help you
• 1:34:29
  with your travel and all of that.
• 1:34:31
  But those programs are impotent at best and they could do more,
• 1:34:36
  but shut up or stay home is how I felt when I saw that to me,
• 1:34:42
  like, I'm just, I'm not feeling that, uh, on like, it very
• 1:34:45
  whiny. You know, run faster, jump
• 1:34:49
  higher, throw farther, figure it out.
• 1:34:58
  So okay, I guess I'll just continue from whence I last
• 1:35:01
  spoke right. Like Being a professional track.
• 1:35:06
  Athlete is the hardest thing in the world to do in professional
• 1:35:10
  sports, right? And there's a cost to doing
• 1:35:15
  business. Yeah.
• 1:35:17
  You don't get to complain about where the meat is, right?
• 1:35:21
  Like my, I got because I was an American.
• 1:35:27
  I got my housing comp for my mom and my dad when the Olympics was
• 1:35:32
  in Atlanta, When we went to Sydney Australia.
• 1:35:37
  Nothing was caught without even a bottle of water right there.
• 1:35:42
  It just is what it is. So you don't like, look, I you
• 1:35:46
  get to complain about a lot of things in track.
• 1:35:48
  You don't get to complain about the cost of your US
• 1:35:50
  championships. That one I gotta go.
• 1:35:53
  I gotta go away from but but I I do, I do want to say this and
• 1:35:59
  I'm probably going to sound a lot like an elitist.
• 1:36:01
  I'm actually not. I'm a factual list on this.
• 1:36:05
  If you aren't making enough money in the sport of track and
• 1:36:10
  field to pay your coach first, you should be doing something
• 1:36:16
  else. I'm a dad.
• 1:36:23
  Because here's the problem. The government is taking their
• 1:36:27
  money and the agent gets the money before you do.
• 1:36:30
  So, they're taking, there's two, right?
• 1:36:33
  But your coach and you are the ones in the trenches, getting
• 1:36:37
  the performances. So, if you don't get that, you
• 1:36:41
  also on day, one should be paying your coach.
• 1:36:45
  I'm not going to tell you what to pay them because that's
• 1:36:48
  negotiable. Right.
• 1:36:50
  But by all means, if you Get that you should pay your coach
• 1:36:57
  first. If your coach says nah I'm not
• 1:36:59
  taking your money, that's his or her business.
• 1:37:02
  Okay. But if you're not, if your first
• 1:37:06
  thought is not to pay your coach, You shouldn't be doing
• 1:37:11
  track. Because professional track is
• 1:37:14
  incredibly time-consuming. Yep.
• 1:37:19
  Right. I co-coach one athlete.
• 1:37:24
  And that is no less than 15 hours a week.
• 1:37:32
  That's the small that I've had. These discussions with that
• 1:37:35
  weeds, you're going to get the well.
• 1:37:39
  You see track and field since you this amount of money, Or,
• 1:37:43
  you know, why should I have to pay you?
• 1:37:45
  I'm the one out here, running, okay?
• 1:37:48
  But you pay your agent. Right.
• 1:37:51
  You and, you know, I'm gonna say this before Clyde says it when
• 1:37:58
  it comes to my pay scale. There's a first world problem
• 1:38:00
  here. I pay you what I make for our
• 1:38:03
  University of Florida. You can't afford me, right?
• 1:38:07
  And so in our kindness of my heart a lot of times I don't
• 1:38:09
  charge people but you know hey coach.
• 1:38:13
  Can I buy you a smoothie today coach?
• 1:38:15
  Let me bring you lunch every now and then you know that goes a
• 1:38:18
  long way you know it shows you Of the persons that are busting
• 1:38:21
  their butt, so you can make electric and so your agent can
• 1:38:25
  buy a new car. You can chase your dreams,
• 1:38:27
  they're not your coaches dreams, see your that's this is this is
• 1:38:30
  the other thing that professional track athletes.
• 1:38:32
  Don't get like, look, almost all of the people coaching you are
• 1:38:36
  college, work, war, or our college coaches, right?
• 1:38:39
  That's their job, great. And we chase that dream
• 1:38:44
  together, but when you graduate these are now your dreams, hmm.
• 1:38:50
  They're not mine, they're not, they're not coach always right?
• 1:38:53
  They're not Coach shoes. Like these are your dreams that
• 1:38:57
  you want me to help you get. I got no problem with it.
• 1:39:01
  I got no problem with it. Like, I look, I signed on for
• 1:39:04
  the job, I signed on for, but I just want people to understand,
• 1:39:09
  right? Like, it's ludicrous that people
• 1:39:12
  like balk at the idea of paying their coaches.
• 1:39:16
  I'm just like, so how you gonna get there?
• 1:39:20
  Mmm, Right? Like if you where where does he
• 1:39:25
  mean? Where does your team begin?
• 1:39:28
  Yeah, yeah. Petit, point point point, I do,
• 1:39:41
  I know it's not going to say is, you know, I've heard a
• 1:39:45
  half-witted. Very snide, not snide a ignorant
• 1:39:51
  and and I'll call it ignorant because they didn't, they didn't
• 1:39:54
  know better comment as well. I didn't pay the coach when I
• 1:39:59
  was running for them under the as the University.
• 1:40:02
  No, you were the employee, get it right?
• 1:40:05
  That was your boss. Now, guess what?
• 1:40:08
  The tables have turned your the quote-unquote boss.
• 1:40:12
  And you pay your employee. You know, to put it in a very
• 1:40:16
  simple term like that's how it has to be understood.
• 1:40:20
  You have a payroll now that you must manage because you are the
• 1:40:24
  entity because if you're wise as a professional athlete you are
• 1:40:28
  an LLC Like break it down. Simply you are the business.
• 1:40:35
  So anyways I have said, result pulled up.
• 1:40:38
  Yes, sir. What what may I reference for
• 1:40:40
  you? Just read them all people had
• 1:40:44
  marks. People and affiliations
• 1:40:49
  affiliations coming in the top finisher for the women's long
• 1:40:53
  jump at USA championships was kaneesha Brooks, who is
• 1:40:57
  unattached no affiliation, Jasmine more Florida, Tiffany
• 1:41:02
  Flynn unattached Monet Nichols, Texas Tech, Kate halls with
• 1:41:06
  Asics Shakila Sanders. Sorry is with Adidas.
• 1:41:11
  She finished sixth Claire Bryant is seventh.
• 1:41:15
  From Florida and a Hall 8 from Florida who Jack make you going?
• 1:41:21
  No, okay. And I'm gonna just let me that's
• 1:41:25
  it there. Um, so but I do want to address
• 1:41:30
  race take and the fact that Collision should not be able to
• 1:41:35
  be able to compete in these championships because they're
• 1:41:37
  not professionals. Yes.
• 1:41:39
  Can we please get into that? I love that up there for you
• 1:41:44
  sir. Have at it.
• 1:41:48
  Again, right, sir, I can't even get my brain around that one.
• 1:42:00
  That is Bitchassness at Epic Level so you're telling me my
• 1:42:11
  job Crow track athlete. Whoo, I have a contract or not
• 1:42:18
  but I am a pro. And I am in Eugene Oregon or Des
• 1:42:22
  Moines Iowa, wherever the hell I'm at.
• 1:42:25
  My job is to make this tea and since I can't beat the children,
• 1:42:32
  Ray's take is telling me that the, the answer to me, not being
• 1:42:37
  able to beat the children, is eliminate the children from the
• 1:42:39
  competition, but we want trophy culture.
• 1:42:43
  And like, what, what it, what is that?
• 1:42:46
  We want to make Teen USA weaker because the pros can't beat the
• 1:42:50
  kids. That's what we want.
• 1:42:54
  How can you even as a pro? How can you feel good about
• 1:42:57
  that? Let us also take into account
• 1:43:00
  that half of the pros were. Once the kids, they were beating
• 1:43:04
  the mass of course, I mean. Yes, there's there's hypocrisy
• 1:43:08
  in that, of course, but I'm just saying if we instituted that
• 1:43:12
  rule right now, go look at the Team USA that we have right now.
• 1:43:17
  And then tomorrow, we're going to take out the collegians that
• 1:43:20
  team. Just got a hell of a lot worse
• 1:43:21
  on all 19 of them, right? Yeah.
• 1:43:25
  It's like wait a hell of a lot worse.
• 1:43:27
  It got hell of a lot smaller because there's almost no events
• 1:43:30
  that don't have a Collegiate on the roster, it's or well.
• 1:43:33
  But in theory, you know, the next lame Semi-Pro would be
• 1:43:36
  elevated up into the team, right?
• 1:43:38
  Like what? But they got to have the
• 1:43:40
  standards. Well, as most of the people
• 1:43:43
  don't have the standards, Legitimate shot to get a medal
• 1:43:59
  in the women's 100. According to raise, take
• 1:44:01
  shouldn't be allowed in the meat because she runs for Coastal
• 1:44:04
  Carolina, talking about and she supposed to give up her
• 1:44:09
  scholarship before the meat. When she's not the US champion
• 1:44:15
  when she's, when she just got last at the NCAA.
• 1:44:18
  She supposed to give up her future at her school.
• 1:44:21
  He and little we all know even a ray likes to stir up, stuff.
• 1:44:26
  Ladies remember, Bird that he took somebody spot when he was a
• 1:44:29
  college guy. Stop it.
• 1:44:30
  Ray. So you know, listen, I'm not
• 1:45:01
  here for that. That is utter nonsense.
• 1:45:04
  That is utterly this many times that's nonsense.
• 1:45:08
  Yeah, we're going to spend time on that at all because the end
• 1:45:12
  of the day, the rules say, they can come with the job, USA,
• 1:45:17
  Track and Field job is to put the best team out there possible
• 1:45:20
  and that's what they did. And so we will continue to do
• 1:45:22
  that. And and again, I think Ray likes
• 1:45:25
  to stir up stuff. He can be very funny.
• 1:45:27
  Very comical when he wants to be.
• 1:45:29
  And I think that knowing raised probably try to be funny on
• 1:45:32
  this. So, Cuz I know for sure when
• 1:45:35
  that Jew was in college, he was not trying to say well I can't
• 1:45:38
  go because I want to take nobody's fight.
• 1:45:40
  I promise you that right? And you know as a competitor
• 1:45:43
  that do was cut through a personal shot at the man, I'm
• 1:45:47
  taking a shot at the take the take.
• 1:45:50
  Exactly is nonsense. But USA yes more of USA's I mean
• 1:46:02
  you said it already so much Melissa Jefferson.
• 1:46:07
  I mean yeah, okay so and I've shared this with the p, I'm
• 1:46:14
  sitting in the medical tent the day after the woman's hundred
• 1:46:20
  and you know, I've gotten to know Melissa, you know, for her
• 1:46:23
  coming to meet her, she pops it to me.
• 1:46:24
  Coach. I was a girl.
• 1:46:26
  Congratulations. I was like, can I, can I ask you
• 1:46:29
  a question? She's like, sure, like what was
• 1:46:31
  going on two weeks ago? Like it, you know, and she said,
• 1:46:35
  obviously coach, I put so much effort into trying to get the
• 1:46:40
  real and to the final. It just took my legs.
• 1:46:44
  He said, I just like she's always just done after the fall.
• 1:46:46
  I want like I just couldn't get myself back together.
• 1:46:49
  You know, she said I came here, you know, we did, we did we did
• 1:46:52
  some we did things right getting me here.
• 1:46:54
  No, for my I won my electric. It was like, okay, yeah, that's
• 1:46:58
  right. And talk about somebody that was
• 1:47:00
  just over the top happy. Yeah.
• 1:47:04
  She just, she was just, she was generally just oh, my God, I
• 1:47:07
  can't believe I did this. And for those of you who don't
• 1:47:10
  know her, if you're either chance to talk to her, please do
• 1:47:15
  special. Young lady.
• 1:47:16
  She's Not Just A Gifted athlete. She's a special human being just
• 1:47:19
  incredible, you know, incredible early.
• 1:47:22
  So I can You know. I've kind of gone through the
• 1:47:30
  numbers. Okay.
• 1:47:31
  And I probably haven't, you know, gotten everything.
• 1:47:36
  But we witnessed this past week, this past weekend, the number,
• 1:47:44
  600 meters of all time, on the men's side.
• 1:47:48
  The number two all-time shot. Put number two, all-time.
• 1:47:55
  The number eight all time 400-meter run by Michael Norman
• 1:48:00
  the number eight all time. 400 hurdles.
• 1:48:03
  Bye mr. Benjamin the number 12, all time
• 1:48:06
  200 meter race. Okay.
• 1:48:10
  The number 19 all-time women's 200.
• 1:48:13
  The world record in the 400-meter hurdles, the number
• 1:48:19
  10, 100 hurdles of all time 1234, okay?
• 1:48:26
  And then you sprinkle it with a little bit of Miss Jefferson,
• 1:48:29
  you know. Where did that come from 1069,
• 1:48:33
  2.9 or not? That is insane it.
• 1:48:37
  So let's just let's go behind Miss Jefferson.
• 1:48:41
  Illya Hobbs 1071, come TT, Terry 1077.
• 1:48:47
  And look, maybe the performance of the meat, based on what
• 1:48:51
  happened, William, who was about, to be what I want to
• 1:48:53
  whatever happened to this tomorrow.
• 1:48:54
  Davis rent 278. Yes, it was for, which, which is
• 1:48:59
  why, which is why the women's hundred meter competition.
• 1:49:05
  Is one of the, my favorite competitions that I've seen in
• 1:49:08
  years and y'all can say whatever it is.
• 1:49:12
  USA championships. 2022, proved one of the exposed I should say,
• 1:49:20
  one of the biggest lies that we've been forced to choke on
• 1:49:25
  for the past couple years. We don't need the sideshow.
• 1:49:31
  Hmm, the sport is just fine. Without the sideshow the women's
• 1:49:36
  hundred meter future is just fine without the sideshow and
• 1:49:42
  Miss Jefferson is much more worthy of the face of the, women
• 1:49:49
  short, Sprint's then others, who disrespect the platform and the
• 1:49:55
  people running it. So all that energy, I want to
• 1:50:00
  see Billboards of Miss Jefferson.
• 1:50:02
  I want to see people get behind her.
• 1:50:04
  I want to see promotion, and if anybody in our sport earned, a
• 1:50:07
  raise this year. Carl Goodman.
• 1:50:10
  Congrats on he named it. Associate head coach at Coastal
• 1:50:14
  Carolina because that team right there is worthy of all the
• 1:50:19
  attention. Like the tomorrow is still a
• 1:50:22
  kid. TT is a is a rookie 18.
• 1:50:25
  She's 19 years old, right? He sees real Combat.
• 1:50:28
  Okay so let's do like let's leave the sideshow stuff.
• 1:50:42
  One. Yeah, that anything and we don't
• 1:50:46
  need to go delving into the 200 to find it.
• 1:50:49
  You do not. We absolutely do not.
• 1:50:53
  I know you want to but you okay look if you want to do that but
• 1:50:58
  it look if it's me in this case those four can get it done.
• 1:51:03
  Yeah. They know there's a special one
• 1:51:07
  in 200. Well, I'm not discounting what
• 1:51:09
  that young lady does, but I'm telling you those four can get
• 1:51:12
  it done. Absolutely.
• 1:51:15
  I don't, I don't disagree that. They I don't disagree that in
• 1:51:18
  theory on foot speed or on a second and in theory, they're
• 1:51:23
  all faster than people that you are anyway.
• 1:51:25
  Some again, you you asked me not to go down that path.
• 1:51:31
  I'm not gonna open that can of worms.
• 1:51:34
  I would be where I step out on either relay without Abby
• 1:51:38
  Steiner on the track and I'll leave it there but my Overkill
• 1:51:42
  because because, you know what, because you're a fan and I
• 1:51:44
  appreciate that nosy. No, no, listen, you watch it,
• 1:51:47
  listen to me now. See all I will tell you is this
• 1:51:51
  it's a great story and you like the story you've always liked
• 1:51:54
  the little guy in the story in the back story and all that
• 1:51:57
  stuff, okay? But if the four of them can
• 1:52:01
  exchange the Baton, the four of them should be Be on the track
• 1:52:06
  and when it comes to the 4x4, I'm not sure what delusional
• 1:52:10
  world, everybody is, she is not one of the four fast as
• 1:52:13
  Americans and the forehead even on the fly.
• 1:52:16
  So stop it Lamar. No, I want Lamar, I want you to
• 1:52:24
  notice that I'm trying to get off of that and trying to needle
• 1:52:27
  me into it. You almost, I did not.
• 1:52:35
  I thought about the relay in a, you brought the 4x4.
• 1:52:37
  I don't bring it forward for you.
• 1:52:38
  You don't know me and you knew so the facility need legal down
• 1:52:44
  here. This is, this is, this is my
• 1:52:48
  this is my USA wrap up in a nutshell and when it comes to
• 1:52:52
  the wind and I'm really really serious about this.
• 1:52:55
  We all have you know went on rants about how bad of a job we
• 1:53:01
  do promoting our sport right now, right now our sport on the
• 1:53:08
  women's side and from the American perspective is giving
• 1:53:13
  us Melissa Jefferson. Nothing MO.
• 1:53:18
  Sydney McLaughlin and Abby Steiner right now and there are
• 1:53:22
  others you know, we understand. You know that that added that
• 1:53:27
  Gabby had a rough mean she was dealing with an injury but Gabi
• 1:53:30
  is absolutely one of the people that should be promoted at the
• 1:53:32
  highest level of our sport. Given everything that she has
• 1:53:35
  accomplished. Yes, and everything that she is,
• 1:53:38
  right? Because of the way she handles
• 1:53:40
  her business. Yes.
• 1:53:42
  Yeah. Class personifies personified,
• 1:53:45
  studying medicine to help our community.
• 1:53:48
  Yep. Okay, there are so many great
• 1:53:53
  faces that belong on billboards and we got to see them all and
• 1:53:58
  they're all young, none of them are old.
• 1:54:01
  We all due respect to Allison, Allison's out the door like that
• 1:54:06
  we've run that train as far as we can run it.
• 1:54:09
  It's time to pick these women up and make them the faces and tell
• 1:54:14
  their stories and prop them up, and make sure they get paid Make
• 1:54:18
  sure they don't fall down the rabbit hole of the sport because
• 1:54:21
  they're all right here, they're all right now and they're off
• 1:54:23
  and on those five right there. I mean you could do you could
• 1:54:28
  throw in the for ladies that are currently world leaders in the
• 1:54:31
  fourth throwing events and just put them on a billboard because
• 1:54:35
  it because here's the thing, like we all agree like that's
• 1:54:37
  not going to happen. Very, very often if ever again.
• 1:54:41
  So as a marketer of our sport, like when you have those
• 1:54:44
  opportunities, you take that opportunity, right?
• 1:54:48
  Going into Worlds, it's true. Right.
• 1:54:52
  Somebody tell the rest of the world that it's true.
• 1:54:55
  Not us were attract heads. We find out all this stuff,
• 1:54:58
  right? It's a cool thing right now and
• 1:55:01
  it's not April. When that happens normally write
• 1:55:03
  like, we mean everybody's everybody's championships have
• 1:55:07
  happened and and the sport is, I couldn't say it any better than
• 1:55:12
  any of you guys have said, like the sport is in a great spot.
• 1:55:16
  Yes, and absolute great spot. To be my kids are all loaded if
• 1:55:23
  you will, the kids are all right.
• 1:55:25
  But listen, if we go back, if we go back before last year's
• 1:55:33
  trials, I said that we were going to send the youngest team
• 1:55:39
  to the Olympics that we had sent 626 into 6018.
• 1:55:44
  But what was most important was that we had to keep them in the
• 1:55:48
  sport so that we could Deuce, some level of world domination
• 1:55:53
  for this five-year run because you can't experience any free,
• 1:55:59
  right? Like I was super duper excited.
• 1:56:01
  That Devon Harris and made the team so that he can go to
• 1:56:05
  another championship. Yes, in a row.
• 1:56:08
  Yeah, right. Like, because we all know they
• 1:56:12
  never get easy but it definitely is easier to compete at a major
• 1:56:16
  championship when you've been to one before.
• 1:56:20
  It's definitely easier. the one of the more amazing and
• 1:56:34
  tragically sad stories from this weekend, that I'm sure a lot of
• 1:56:37
  people aren't aware of yet, but it is out there in the public
• 1:56:41
  sphere now Devin Allen made the hundred meter. 100 meter 110
• 1:56:46
  hurdle team. Dealing with the death of his
• 1:56:50
  father in between the two rounds.
• 1:56:54
  I think about that. Man lost his father right before
• 1:56:57
  or right after the semi-final and had to come back and step
• 1:57:01
  out there racing was, was it was it in between the rounds of was
• 1:57:04
  it the night before but I've heard I've heard both stories.
• 1:57:07
  I was told it was on the day of the same either way.
• 1:57:10
  I mean yeah yeah I've been I'm not gonna discount vinyl I was
• 1:57:22
  told that by his Old Coach, the guy was with last year at this
• 1:57:26
  time. Yeah.
• 1:57:27
  That he got a text from the mom saying that the dad had passed
• 1:57:30
  the night before. Hmm.
• 1:57:33
  Well, either way, I mean, first of all, condolences to Devon and
• 1:57:36
  obviously the rest of it is absolutely yes.
• 1:57:38
  Oh yeah. But imagine the mental
• 1:57:43
  fortitude, it takes to have to deal with something like that,
• 1:57:48
  and step out there and actually perform and make it happen.
• 1:57:51
  And again in Devon's specific case, he doesn't even need to do
• 1:57:56
  it. His future is set paid for by
• 1:58:00
  the Philadelphia Eagles. He's out there doing this
• 1:58:03
  because he loves the sport and has something that he wants to
• 1:58:07
  do for himself, and you get bad news and you still walk out
• 1:58:11
  there and do it, man. Let me know if you weren't a fan
• 1:58:14
  of Devin Townsend already. You better be?
• 1:58:16
  You sure better be? That's incredible.
• 1:58:21
  Prep. Now are we are we are we going
• 1:58:28
  to get into the 200 and put lucious on on a muzzle loader?
• 1:58:36
  Rio want Noah has always been that when
• 1:58:54
  poked that's how he's going to respond if Salt water period.
• 1:58:59
  He was as animated as I've ever seen.
• 1:59:02
  Right was the gesture. Bit disrespectful.
• 1:59:05
  Absolutely. Was his take afterwards and what
• 1:59:08
  he said an attempt to make it not as bad.
• 1:59:11
  It was bottom line is, I got told area he beat you.
• 1:59:17
  So our job is to get to be ready for it.
• 1:59:19
  Took to try not to get beat the next time.
• 1:59:22
  That's my job. I'm not going to bash Noah we've
• 1:59:25
  seen much worse over time. Over the years, right?
• 1:59:29
  We have, and I think a lot of it is because Ariane who's very on
• 1:59:33
  is he's the new kid on the Block.
• 1:59:35
  He's the new fresh new face, he's a child and all that stuff
• 1:59:39
  you need to have to distract the child.
• 1:59:40
  But look, as a coach. Do I condone such antics?
• 1:59:44
  You guys know me better? I do not.
• 1:59:46
  But is that something weird? You know, there's not banners
• 1:59:49
  flying and Gainesville hatred of natural law allows because it's
• 1:59:53
  Noah. It's what he does.
• 1:59:55
  And so our job is to respond to that.
• 1:59:57
  Make it so easy for him next time.
• 1:59:59
  Okay see I'm here for all of that.
• 2:00:02
  I actually think that's what. Yeah, I agree.
• 2:00:05
  It was disrespectful but that type of disrespect at the pro
• 2:00:10
  level from a person who has accomplishments not live with
• 2:00:14
  it. Exactly.
• 2:00:16
  Yeah. I'll live with it if he's the
• 2:00:18
  standard-bearer. Right.
• 2:00:19
  Right. It's interesting.
• 2:00:20
  He's got medals behind his neck. He can feel slighted by the new
• 2:00:24
  kid on the Block and and crown him a little bit like that.
• 2:00:27
  And I see me personally I thought the interview was more
• 2:00:28
  dishes. Well, then the Finish Line.
• 2:00:32
  That's why I thought that I thought the interview was I out
• 2:00:35
  for real. Are you just go talk crazy to
• 2:00:37
  the boy on camera, right? When he's standing there, but I
• 2:00:40
  love this response. I loved Ariana's response.
• 2:00:44
  Yeah, it ain't over there and walk off.
• 2:00:47
  Hmm, I loved it. So yeah.
• 2:00:51
  Hey, I want I want more of that from both ends.
• 2:00:55
  I want more of all that. Our top 10 will be done on the
• 2:00:58
  track night, not through social media, and other outlets, and
• 2:01:02
  not on the LLC either. So,
• 2:01:27
  I create them all the time, you know, Nike like even this thing
• 2:01:31
  about me not being a coach women like it's out there.
• 2:01:33
  It's real. But in my head it's a thousand
• 2:01:35
  times worse than when people are saying it is.
• 2:01:37
  Right because that's that's the stuff that motivation.
• 2:01:40
  So not that I needed motivation but you know, we will be a
• 2:01:44
  little more detailed and task-oriented when it comes to
• 2:01:47
  prepare for the two of them now because clearly I don't know
• 2:01:51
  what I'm doing. We're in. 1969, I don't bullshit
• 2:01:55
  mouths, fuck that up. Okay, I did.
• 2:01:56
  Thanks for letting me know. No, not that.
• 2:01:58
  I need to be here but I'm good. She's my neck was Mike, I
• 2:02:00
  apologize. See, that's that's the rhetoric
• 2:02:05
  out there and see. I'm good with that.
• 2:02:09
  I like it when people tell me what I can do, You know, I'm
• 2:02:14
  good. Appreciate it.
• 2:02:19
  Well, you know my take on USA's was men.
• 2:02:23
  That was a it was an awesome track meet that you had to
• 2:02:29
  subscribe to one platform and then find we have DirecTV and I
• 2:02:38
  pay a gajillion dollars and I had to find not one but two
• 2:02:43
  different channels that the track Was on and I was like this
• 2:02:47
  is on the finals day and I said I said to a very close friend.
• 2:02:53
  This right here is a microcosm of what's wrong with the sport
• 2:02:57
  of track and field on the championship day of the US
• 2:03:01
  championships. You gotta pay for 1/3 and then
• 2:03:07
  you got to find less a other one out, right?
• 2:03:11
  And then you got to find the other two platforms that it's on
• 2:03:14
  and I was just Like this ain't it.
• 2:03:18
  I'm like this. This is, this is what I should.
• 2:03:20
  I should be digging for to try to find the dart championships.
• 2:03:23
  This way I should not be trying to find the USA track and field
• 2:03:27
  championships this way. Hey, the dark championships on
• 2:03:32
  and one baby. Tell the people what the order
• 2:03:40
  of it was. So you basically went from
• 2:03:42
  paying to see the early part of this, the program you watch the
• 2:03:48
  live in terms of the, you know, the meat and potatoes.
• 2:03:52
  The the you know, the highlights, then you had to go
• 2:03:56
  to USA to watch to distance races.
• 2:04:01
  How much it was about three different races that had to be
• 2:04:04
  run earlier because of heat, heat, heat warnings.
• 2:04:08
  Yes! Hey, and here, and here's the
• 2:04:11
  worst part, you did all of that, right?
• 2:04:15
  And there were still people who won national championships that
• 2:04:18
  didn't get any of the performances shown, and they
• 2:04:20
  just got the screen. Exactly.
• 2:04:23
  Yeah. I was like, listen, I don't get
• 2:04:27
  it. I don't get how it flies, like,
• 2:04:30
  I Get how the athletes don't just say.
• 2:04:32
  Look, we're not doing this. Like, if you can't promote us
• 2:04:37
  better, dude, listen, all of these young people that do track
• 2:04:41
  and field. They are so tech-savvy.
• 2:04:42
  I promise you, they could do a better job on an iPhone on on
• 2:04:48
  Whatchamacallit. Why on Instagram life?
• 2:04:51
  Because if they switch to know what I'm going to use this
• 2:04:54
  analogy, right? It's like they cook.
• 2:04:56
  This really nice steak. Really nice potatoes.
• 2:05:00
  Got broccoli. All the things you need to make
• 2:05:04
  it an incredible dinner and they served it to you in a freaking
• 2:05:08
  top of a trash game. Yeah, well they did and you had
• 2:05:13
  to go to two restaurants to get it.
• 2:05:17
  They they took something that was incredibly special and they
• 2:05:20
  trashed it with their presentation of it.
• 2:05:22
  That's what they did. And not just special to us
• 2:05:25
  special to people who are outside of our sport as well.
• 2:05:28
  Yeah. Goes back to the difficulty to
• 2:05:32
  get there in the expense to get there, right?
• 2:05:36
  So now you have to struggle to watch your child, or your
• 2:05:42
  grandchild, or your godchild, or your brother, your cousin when
• 2:05:47
  you can't. So it's frustrate, you know,
• 2:05:50
  like it's crazy. We can get the NCAA to be free.
• 2:06:01
  Because I'm in California I didn't go.
• 2:06:04
  I chose not to roll up. Usatf usatf TV, which I
• 2:06:11
  absolutely pay a subscription for.
• 2:06:14
  Like why can't get usatf TV with my membership to being from
• 2:06:19
  being usatf? Why is that mean part of the
• 2:06:22
  package right now? With all due respect?
• 2:06:25
  Why am I paying money to listen to Justin and and Dawn navigate
• 2:06:33
  the majority of the competition? Because most of the events is
• 2:06:39
  over, the four days were usatf TV.
• 2:06:42
  Then peacock, I got to pee For peacock to yeah, only the only
• 2:06:47
  turn on my TV and watched were like oh hour and a half.
• 2:06:51
  When do I get Auto in the crew? Bye.
• 2:06:54
  It was a mess. Yeah, it was, it was a mess and
• 2:06:58
  they did such a bat like okay this these are things they
• 2:07:01
  missed, right? Because they showed them, but
• 2:07:04
  they showed them in such a disjointed fashion, right?
• 2:07:06
  Look, we know. Ryan Krauser's a monster and he
• 2:07:09
  threw 23 meters. But only, if you were really
• 2:07:12
  paying attention, do you realize he wasn't winning at one point?
• 2:07:15
  Yeah. Djokovic 275 friggin feet.
• 2:07:19
  Yeah. Oh yeah that's right.
• 2:07:21
  Like finding world champion they are didn't.
• 2:07:24
  Okay stop we're not going there. I sure did God come on.
• 2:07:32
  Look I love them. Both okay look anyway I just I
• 2:07:38
  can't I can't watch this pristine like track and field
• 2:07:45
  and track and field athletes are getting better folks and they're
• 2:07:48
  getting better rapidly, right? Rapid.
• 2:07:50
  So it's like we're taking all. We're taking all of the best
• 2:07:54
  artwork in the world taking out of taking it out of museums and
• 2:07:58
  just like showing it on the street at a carnival.
• 2:08:02
  Like I just I don't get it. I just don't get it like, how
• 2:08:07
  can the sport be marketed and viewed worse now than it was
• 2:08:13
  when I was running. I stopped running in 2001.
• 2:08:18
  There's like 9 million again, forms that exist to show track.
• 2:08:21
  Now, besides, besides, were supposed to leave, the Pinnacle
• 2:08:24
  of the sport. Yeah.
• 2:08:26
  Okay, this is supposed to be championships and it was a
• 2:08:31
  Phenomenal Championship. Yeah.
• 2:08:34
  But what, hey, let's just go. Yeah.
• 2:08:41
  When legal. Yeah, and wait, wait a minute.
• 2:08:53
  Not Christian Coleman specifically the one, the one
• 2:08:57
  beef I had with the championship itself and I don't think there's
• 2:09:00
  a there's a Work around. The actually there is if world
• 2:09:05
  champion ex-christian Coleman, the Ali who ever choose to
• 2:09:10
  exercise their right? Not to run in the final fill the
• 2:09:13
  fucking lie. Elaine.
• 2:09:16
  Yeah, there's no reason why you can't feel the lane.
• 2:09:20
  It's very easy fix, just squeeze them down and put the extra
• 2:09:22
  person on the outside. Build elaine.dean is he here's
• 2:09:27
  the easiest fix and any race that has As the world champion
• 2:09:32
  defending world champion, it just take nine to the final
• 2:09:36
  because there's nine Lanes. Yep.
• 2:09:40
  Just think that day. Yeah, that was that was it makes
• 2:09:44
  too much sense. Yeah, so mean but that to the
• 2:09:49
  Championships, I mean like like what about the college boys and
• 2:09:54
  immense? Wander?
• 2:09:55
  Hey, ya know, the governor pointed out Michael Norman was a
• 2:10:00
  top six. With his performance.
• 2:10:03
  Yes. But Champion Alison.
• 2:10:06
  Number eight all time. Number eight, yeah.
• 2:10:08
  Champion was top ten, right? Yes, you look, whatever.
• 2:10:11
  Cannot that is insane. That's just what?
• 2:10:19
  Well, what's insane is. I said this to Linden earlier
• 2:10:22
  today, practices I said just because nobody knows because the
• 2:10:26
  way the show was packaged commentated, all the above,
• 2:10:31
  right? Like we're sending pb's in the
• 2:10:35
  men's 400 of 43, 43 43 and 43 percent of four guys that have
• 2:10:46
  run out of 44 flag. Right.
• 2:10:50
  We're sending in the men. What that meant was that Michael
• 2:10:54
  Charities? Properties, PB 4390?
• 2:10:57
  Something. It's just under four.
• 2:11:01
  It's as it seems like the very last race of the level of last
• 2:11:06
  year. I think his PB is 4403.
• 2:11:10
  Okay. So three, I'm sorry, but if you
• 2:11:12
  want to was just above, see, certain Lucius boy,
• 2:11:25
  you're correct, right? But that just makes the next
• 2:11:28
  thing I'm going to say just as bad, right?
• 2:11:30
  We go sub 13 sub, 13:13 flat 13 flat, mmm.
• 2:11:37
  Like the team we're sending two World Championships is loaded.
• 2:11:43
  Yeah. Let me tell you like this women
• 2:11:46
  date. Amen.
• 2:11:51
  Amen, crazy. You run 158, you don't make it.
• 2:11:58
  Right on. The blame is to the women's 200.
• 2:12:01
  You run 20 21 and you don't make it.
• 2:12:03
  Yeah, that happened there. Like that that was that was
• 2:12:06
  nice. That was cute.
• 2:12:07
  Get out of here. You know what about the women's
• 2:12:10
  200 honestly, for me at least mad.
• 2:12:13
  Respect to prandini. Oh my gosh.
• 2:12:20
  She's just one of these people. Like looks like.
• 2:12:24
  So, this is the beauty of it. Like she walk.
• 2:12:27
  The track after the hundred. And, you know, Jen is not one
• 2:12:29
  that shows a lot of emotion but her body language is like Like
• 2:12:34
  basically, I didn't I didn't like that at all.
• 2:12:37
  So you watch it through the rounds and on the final day, the
• 2:12:40
  beauty of it was the person that was by her side.
• 2:12:44
  Every step of the way was Kenny Harrison, hmm.
• 2:12:50
  Like her teammates like you are making this team and I am you to
• 2:12:53
  support you through every step up.
• 2:12:55
  It was phenomenal. It was phenomenal and she came
• 2:12:59
  off that turn, like, I'm making this team.
• 2:13:02
  Yeah, I'm making this thing. Yeah, that was phenomenal.
• 2:13:05
  It was tomorrow Clark. Wow.
• 2:13:08
  Yes, you know. Wow.
• 2:13:11
  Is it just me? Come on.
• 2:13:13
  Hey, Rod that the person that the person I was happy as for
• 2:13:18
  all weekend long Shamir little? Yes.
• 2:13:23
  C'mere low. You talk about conquering?
• 2:13:26
  A demon. Yeah.
• 2:13:28
  As I was jumping up and down, like I was like, I could because
• 2:13:30
  I was so happy for her. Yes, so happy for her
• 2:13:35
  incredible, you know, like samir's struggled.
• 2:13:38
  So so much that people forget, like, she can legitimately go in
• 2:13:41
  there and get a medal. Don't don't, don't get it
• 2:13:45
  twisted. I don't care what the results
• 2:13:47
  were like Shamir little is every bit as capable of running under,
• 2:13:52
  what used to be the world record.
• 2:13:54
  Okay, you can go out there and get a medal.
• 2:13:57
  Don't think for a second? Yeah, yeah.
• 2:14:00
  Okay, sir Lucius. So, let's stay on the for
• 2:14:04
  hurdles here for a second. Okay.
• 2:14:07
  But sitting there, having practice, have you ever Seen a
• 2:14:13
  race run. So smooth. as what Sydney does,
• 2:14:18
  did the 1414 to hurdle 77 and then 15 coming home, With
• 2:14:28
  without no blips no nothing just and anything for me was it's
• 2:14:34
  like you didn't realize how fast she was running Until you
• 2:14:38
  realize how far back Britain was because, you know, Britain from
• 2:14:41
  right, yes, right there because of the effort, it was
• 2:14:45
  effortless, like there's no tension in her face.
• 2:14:48
  There was no greeting of the T. It was no greeting of anything.
• 2:14:51
  It was just like, I am out here, chilling.
• 2:14:53
  Yes. And I'm textbook.
• 2:14:56
  This is how this is. How to eventually be.
• 2:14:58
  This will be big time, Kudos are in body.
• 2:15:01
  So, you know, so let me ask you, this are the, the hurdle
• 2:15:06
  coaches, the coaches that are trying to achieve, what she just
• 2:15:10
  achieved. How are you teaching your kids?
• 2:15:30
  You don't watch that video. I'm gonna let me go because you
• 2:15:34
  don't have, but I was jogging, yes, yeah, yes.
• 2:15:56
  Was the last time we took three guys to the gym Just won, 47
• 2:15:58
  seconds, 47 seconds. I porosity Disney movies,
• 2:16:06
  anywhere to the governor's Point, listen to the city issue.
• 2:16:11
  Please, please people don't, don't do it.
• 2:16:16
  You cannot handle should be, it should be a do not even
• 2:16:27
  remotely. We attempt.
• 2:16:30
  What's that tape? And think that you can do that
• 2:16:33
  Sydney, is the ultimate unicorn? Yes.
• 2:16:37
  And here's how good it is one. Don't get it twisted.
• 2:16:41
  She was out there working on things.
• 2:16:44
  Yeah that was nowhere. Close to pedal to the Metal
• 2:16:47
  Force it. No.
• 2:16:48
  And here's the problem. How good is it?
• 2:16:52
  The goat delillo you cannot run that pattern.
• 2:16:58
  I cannot miss you tempted to do it.
• 2:17:02
  She wouldn't finish the race, right, right.
• 2:17:06
  Sit sit and Bobby are almost bored with the event.
• 2:17:10
  That Bobby is out there talking about, after we run this
• 2:17:13
  50-point and check the Deuces, we gonna go break the 400-meter
• 2:17:16
  hurdles before Demeter world record like me please.
• 2:17:19
  Think about, which is going to happen to actually said on
• 2:17:23
  national TV. Oh, he said we've just seen
• 2:17:26
  this. Yeah.
• 2:17:28
  You're already saying. Yeah, you know we're just going
• 2:17:31
  to go ahead and try and break the 400 world record because he
• 2:17:34
  know, because he knows that she is out there playing right now.
• 2:17:38
  Like, that's how swaggy whatever you want to call it.
• 2:17:42
  Like it's ID and everybody so understand what you're dealing
• 2:17:46
  with, Bobby, Kersey, Bobby Kersey Brooks, told her told me
• 2:17:51
  this story. This is before he knew, sit
• 2:17:53
  existed. This was years ago, Brooks said
• 2:17:57
  he gets he's Is Bobby calls in at 1:00 in the morning and says,
• 2:18:00
  to Brooks, I need you to help me figure out some 51 second stuff.
• 2:18:03
  Right. Brooke says, Bobby 51 seconds
• 2:18:06
  and isn't fast bodies responsible.
• 2:18:08
  I'm talking about over hurdles just like 10 years ago.
• 2:18:11
  This was 10 years ago, 10 years ago, right?
• 2:18:15
  So fast. Because so back up a little bit
• 2:18:17
  more. Remember, when Jackie crushed
• 2:18:21
  the world record in the multi, right?
• 2:18:24
  So then Bob he's like, well, we're bored here.
• 2:18:27
  Let's go, jump. 85 feet the Mojo.
• 2:18:29
  Yo let's go run 12-6 in the hurdles, that's what Bobby does
• 2:18:33
  right. What you're seeing now is he's
• 2:18:35
  like, okay I'm going to take you.
• 2:18:37
  I won't take this forward to her record and put it someplace
• 2:18:39
  where, where Jackie's kept record is still, right?
• 2:18:42
  Hmm. And I'm gonna go for, I'm gonna
• 2:18:44
  go attack this Warner record. Did y'all say can't be broken?
• 2:18:48
  Man, that's Bobby cursey Ali Kersey.
• 2:18:52
  Yep. Yeah, let me just going to be
• 2:18:55
  fun to watch. Let me add a little bit more
• 2:18:58
  salt to how strong this team has Raven Saunders.
• 2:19:02
  Actually through really well at the championship.
• 2:19:05
  She threw, 1895 their season best.
• 2:19:08
  She was fourth and didn't make the team.
• 2:19:12
  Like we're taking 1940 1945 and 2051 folks.
• 2:19:22
  I can't explain to you how much further that is than any three
• 2:19:27
  people we've ever taken. Like the three, the three like
• 2:19:30
  that that average is almost 20 meters.
• 2:19:34
  Between the three of them. Like no Shaker was everything
• 2:19:37
  come close to that. Yeah.
• 2:19:41
  And neither you build your black, your special know with
• 2:19:46
  the youth and the talent on the women's side is feed nominal and
• 2:19:51
  it's almost like, okay, the men decide to step up this, you
• 2:19:54
  know, we've kind of said this on the show, after the Olympics,
• 2:19:57
  like men's coaches, we got work to do, right?
• 2:19:59
  Right. And and it's been has been
• 2:20:01
  stepped up, I mean like again, like look at the one but two
• 2:20:05
  before both hurdles, hmm. Like on the men's side like
• 2:20:09
  there are medical tenders across the Would they exactly?
• 2:20:13
  There is there's no world where we don't expect for guys, divide
• 2:20:16
  up in the final if Eugene three weeks in a uniform and then what
• 2:20:20
  for do, the won 10 titles know the 100 years, know what we do,
• 2:20:26
  expect for guys. Nope, so let me, let me throw a
• 2:20:30
  question to y'all about the hunter because the hundred men
• 2:20:34
  overall did a phenomenal job. But let's be, let's be let's be
• 2:20:39
  real Fred stood Head and Shoulders above.
• 2:20:41
  All of them. Is it a two-man, ROM?
• 2:20:44
  I'm gonna give him head above him because he was 76 and second
• 2:20:49
  was 81. So that's not Head and Shoulders
• 2:20:50
  but okay, look, okay, I mean that's fine by the numbers.
• 2:20:54
  But did you ever for one second? Believe that Fred wasn't winning
• 2:20:57
  that race? Like, was it ever in doubt?
• 2:21:00
  Why not just let up, that's not the question.
• 2:21:01
  The question is head and his shoulders to me is Red, Run 70
• 2:21:08
  and they run 90, that's a joke. Okay, well, that's fine because
• 2:21:11
  when it, when it Point 0.05 in the Sprint world is so.
• 2:21:15
  So then, I think you may, I may know where you're going with my
• 2:21:18
  with the question that I would lose, your only want to ask you.
• 2:21:21
  Okay. Is it Fred versus the Italian?
• 2:21:23
  And everybody else is running for the bronze or can someone
• 2:21:27
  else get it? See, there's one thing you can't
• 2:21:31
  discount here and that's experience.
• 2:21:34
  Hmm, and anybody sexiest? Counting Christian Coleman out
• 2:21:39
  is wrong because he's been there and he's done it and if you
• 2:21:43
  watch him, he's starting to figure it out.
• 2:21:46
  Mmm. Okay.
• 2:21:48
  So I don't think it's red versus the Italian.
• 2:21:52
  I do in my opinion, friends of favorite, there's no doubt about
• 2:21:56
  that, sure, because because the way he's doing it but you can't
• 2:22:00
  just out can't ask Christian and Martin Bracy might have
• 2:22:05
  something to say about this, he might because that's the best
• 2:22:09
  the most composed I've ever seen Martin.
• 2:22:12
  Yeah, I was I was very impressed with the trade rumor mill from
• 2:22:15
  the semi-final, not so much, the guy from the final.
• 2:22:18
  I'm not sure what happened to see the great for about 50
• 2:22:20
  meters. No you're wrong.
• 2:22:21
  So stop you. So the end of the day I think I
• 2:22:34
  believe the men's hundred at the world's will be one of the
• 2:22:36
  better races. You see on an open up the
• 2:22:40
  weekend. Pay your subscription, get in
• 2:22:44
  front of your TV's, watch it because it's going to be epic.
• 2:22:48
  It is the Marcel. So Marcel Jacobs tweets.
• 2:22:51
  At Fred Curly? Yes directly in says, can't
• 2:22:58
  wait, you know, we're going to put on a show and Eugene, okay,
• 2:23:02
  he runs 10 In reality at the Italian championships.
• 2:23:07
  Okay. That's enough to win it.
• 2:23:09
  Exactly, so if he does, and I'm going to use the word if, if he
• 2:23:17
  does show up in Eugene, okay? We have to be under the
• 2:23:23
  impression that he's ready to run.
• 2:23:26
  He's right. Exactly.
• 2:23:27
  Okay. I can see a scenario where he
• 2:23:31
  does not show up. After putting out the Tweet,
• 2:23:35
  what's that? Sure?
• 2:23:38
  Hey, now, listen in this, in this age, in the way things are
• 2:23:45
  working. In the way these athletes are
• 2:23:47
  operating, It is far more important to hold on to what you
• 2:23:54
  have. And to go out there and lose
• 2:23:56
  like it. And I'm just saying, in general,
• 2:24:00
  this, this is a pattern, we've seen this, we've seen this play
• 2:24:02
  out before, so yes he goes and puts out the tweet.
• 2:24:08
  So, you and Eugene, yada yada yada.
• 2:24:11
  I'm just, I'm excited. When, if he does, show up.
• 2:24:16
  Can't wait. Front row, seat.
• 2:24:18
  Can't wait, let's go. What?
• 2:24:20
  What? I'm looking forward to it from
• 2:24:22
  that perspective, right? Is like, you know, I look, I
• 2:24:24
  like numbers. I mean, you got one, two, three,
• 2:24:30
  nine seven guys. I think Jacob says the fourth
• 2:24:33
  fastest PB in the meet at 980 and that's actually not true.
• 2:24:38
  Because if we include Old Man, River from Jamaica, who just ran
• 2:24:41
  out of his mind, right? But I'm saying I wasn't
• 2:24:47
  including him my that's my point, right?
• 2:24:49
  Because he's so far removed from his TV but he did run up.
• 2:24:52
  He did run under 999 81st last week, right?
• 2:24:56
  So what I'm saying is if we just look at in Prime's you got 39,
• 2:24:59
  sevens in a 980. Oh, I'm popping popcorn for that
• 2:25:05
  race for those races, if indeed, Jacob shows up and it all
• 2:25:09
  happens because this is going to be fun.
• 2:25:12
  Mmm-hmm, the governor I don't disagree with your larger point
• 2:25:20
  about, you know, keeping what you have and losing.
• 2:25:24
  From an American perspective. Jacobs is already a God man made
• 2:25:30
  in Italy. Yes, win or lose.
• 2:25:33
  He's good. I just everything everything
• 2:25:38
  about his rise to where he is. Says, there ain't no way in hell
• 2:25:44
  he not coming out here to line up, see, but this is why I agree
• 2:25:47
  with the governor though and this is this is the part that we
• 2:25:50
  as Americans we just, we lose sight of sometimes.
• 2:25:54
  The sport is eurocentric and this year is a European
• 2:25:58
  championship year. And I've been to Europe twice
• 2:26:01
  this year. And I telling you half of the
• 2:26:04
  people that we would expect to be, there are going to end up
• 2:26:10
  booting World Championships. And focusing on European
• 2:26:14
  Champions. Well, listen, listen, I
• 2:26:16
  understand that before the audience, their Euro
• 2:26:20
  championships is bigger in Europe than World Championships
• 2:26:24
  is facts. Just is it just is.
• 2:26:28
  And if you ever have the ability to go to the European
• 2:26:31
  championships and watch it, it will be one of the better
• 2:26:34
  experiences you ever have in this sport.
• 2:26:37
  It's a phenomenal event. They really, really, really care
• 2:26:40
  about that. And you all who have done this
• 2:26:45
  individually as athletes at that level, maybe you'll back my
• 2:26:49
  fiery up on this and maybe you are.
• 2:26:51
  So I just I just, I was just giving props to the Euros,
• 2:26:55
  right? I think at least I felt when I
• 2:27:00
  was out there, and when I got to experience it, I think it's such
• 2:27:04
  a big deal to them Euro championships because they
• 2:27:07
  really struggle to beat us anyway, so that's their moment
• 2:27:12
  to shine, right? The Americans aren't here.
• 2:27:16
  Well, Jacobs beat the Americans. He's one of the few that can.
• 2:27:20
  Yes, but it's like he ain't coming War home is hurt.
• 2:27:25
  Hopefully, Not, he ain't coming those two.
• 2:27:28
  I feel like if their injury, if they're not hurt their come.
• 2:27:32
  Let's let's let's look at it from this standpoint.
• 2:27:36
  In what world I'm using the word world in what world does the
• 2:27:43
  World Championships come before the Commonwealth Games and the
• 2:27:47
  European championships, right? He's explained that to me looks
• 2:27:53
  like Like it's so backwards that you know what it's telling you
• 2:28:02
  what's most important exam this sport is this sport is
• 2:28:05
  incredibly Euro centered. We've said this a million times
• 2:28:09
  and the calendar always tells you what the story is.
• 2:28:11
  Absolutely because is there not a whole half season after
• 2:28:17
  Europeans. And we have to look forward to
• 2:28:20
  as well. Like this, this is this is where
• 2:28:23
  you start to really understand is like, okay.
• 2:28:26
  USA. You want to host the World
• 2:28:27
  Championships? Okay, go right ahead.
• 2:28:30
  Here you go. All right, we're going to put
• 2:28:33
  you smack, dab in the middle of July.
• 2:28:37
  That's what works for us. That's that's what works for us,
• 2:28:42
  okay? I mean, so again for mr.
• 2:28:46
  Jacobs, right. He's Olympic champion.
• 2:28:51
  Okay, what is what is a priority on his schedule?
• 2:28:55
  What Is the priority is it to win Worlds to backup?
• 2:28:59
  The Olympics is it to show up to Europeans and put on a show
• 2:29:05
  there. That's why I'm saying, that's
• 2:29:08
  why, that's why I will say this. I mean, I will question
• 2:29:10
  Governor. Kenny, not do both, you can.
• 2:29:13
  Yes, he can in his example. There's no competition at
• 2:29:17
  Europe, right? So there's a lot of bravado to
• 2:29:27
  him a lot of bravado Wilfred. Yeah, it's there's some ego
• 2:29:30
  stuff going on here and when you're tweeting the somebody I
• 2:29:33
  don't know why you tweet it, Fred that down with that, that's
• 2:29:37
  wrong. So I expect him to be here.
• 2:29:45
  I expected to be a show, man. And speaking with Fred.
• 2:29:49
  And speaking with friends, seek friend, Zeke said to me, I
• 2:29:52
  promise you. He's gonna run a lot faster.
• 2:29:56
  It works. I saw him in the airport after
• 2:29:58
  the meat quote, he's going to run a lot faster at Worlds and
• 2:30:04
  and this can't get lost in this conversation because this is why
• 2:30:07
  I, this is why I'm a fan of Jacobs.
• 2:30:09
  And this is why I think he's showing up right or wrong.
• 2:30:13
  If when you're the Olympic champion, when you're a world
• 2:30:17
  champion, when you reach that Plateau, right, most athletes
• 2:30:21
  care about their legacy, right? Marcel Jacobs Legacy won't be
• 2:30:27
  complete without this without taking the world championship
• 2:30:32
  from Christian Coleman fretting. The world champion.
• 2:30:37
  He's the number one guy right now, but he ain't the champ,
• 2:30:40
  everybody. Last year, said what nice race?
• 2:30:44
  But Comey wasn't there. He got to come here.
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  If he comes here and beats them on on in that in that building
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  in the cathedral. Legacy stamp forever.
• 2:30:56
  Hmm. This particular Championship is
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  bigger for his legacy, then the one next year, or Paris, or any
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  of the other ones. He came in the cathedral and
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  beat those two. Dudes on us, soil.
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  That's the Legacy race. I can't get over 983 976 9797,
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  what? Yeah, as friends.
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  It's a psycho with this. Like, at this point, we all
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  understand, we we were all around when when Otto drop that
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  98 in the first round. And we were just like, what are
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  you doing? John Smith, said, what are you
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  doing, right? Hey easy, bucko easy, you know?
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  Phenomenal stuff, man. Phenomenal, Big League?
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  Yeah, definitely. And you know, there are a lot of
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  things that we didn't cover, so we whatever came to head
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  whatever. Yeah, exactly.
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  So and so with that feel free to talk about it in the comments if
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  there's something that's going to come up it will come up
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  again. I promise.
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  Let's go ahead and transition. A would you rather?
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  Quiet. Sure.
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  If you exactly right. All right.
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  Would you rather be in a cast on your leg or cast it on your
• 2:32:32
  wrist, or your hand? Wrist.
• 2:32:39
  I want limb, would you rather operate a flip phone or have
• 2:32:46
  limited data on your smartphone? I remember the flip phone being
• 2:32:53
  a positive experience for me as well as my teenager ask me.
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  Well how do you swipe on this and how do you get to your apps
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  on this? And I'm like that's not a thing.
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  Training not competing or anything, just training.
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  Only trained in door or train Outdoors.
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  Full-time. Correct.
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  Only one. You can't go back and forth.
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  Well, I live in California so I'm good.
• 2:33:37
  I'm outside. Got it, you know, you just
• 2:33:42
  jinxed your next season, right? Would you would you rather
• 2:33:48
  pierce your septum or your lip? Oh my god.
• 2:33:52
  Oh man. The septum is what this this
• 2:33:54
  here. This guy.
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  Yeah, or my lip or your lip. This is why I'm asking here's my
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  tongue and be good. Nope.
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  Okay. No because if you pierce your
• 2:34:08
  tongue you're not on this show anymore.
• 2:34:13
  No Dagon. Anybody who has a check but if
• 2:34:14
  you pierce his septum he is Would you rather see into the
• 2:34:44
  future or fix the pass? You said see into the future?
• 2:34:52
  Well, I guess like have premonitions, be able to know.
• 2:34:56
  I'd rather, I'd rather have power to fix the past because
• 2:34:59
  that will affect said future Allah backs of future.
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  Would you rather coach a 10 of an athlete?
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  Like their, a Top-level athletes with a bad attitude or an 8 with
• 2:35:19
  a great attitude. Let me give it a six and eight
• 2:35:24
  too easy. A six with a great attitude.
• 2:35:28
  Okay, wait, your numbers threw me off.
• 2:35:29
  You're okay. Like on a scale from 1-10,
• 2:35:33
  correct. Correct a rating scale.
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  Professionally or Collegiate just coach.
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  Now, that makes it. It makes a difference.
• 2:35:44
  Does it make a difference? I'll take the kid with the
• 2:35:47
  proper attitude. Got it.
• 2:35:49
  Okay, my, my questions are done gentlemen.
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  Actually, she hasn't lied to you.
• 2:36:02
  What if it was attitude Got everybody thinking.
• 2:36:35
  You can only coach one of them. And you can only use the
• 2:36:40
  parameters that are set forward by usatf.
• 2:36:44
  Would you rather coach the men's for my one woman's four by one?
• 2:36:51
  At this year's World Championships, you can only
• 2:36:53
  coach one of them. And and you have to use the top
• 2:36:59
  for whatever their parameters are parameters, which means I
• 2:37:07
  have my whatever whatever whatever.
• 2:37:16
  Honestly and this is this is a horrible reason to have this
• 2:37:21
  answer, but it's still just speaks.
• 2:37:23
  To the way Society is, I'd rather coach the men's team
• 2:37:26
  because it will be seen as a more important accomplishment.
• 2:37:34
  Didn T, but unfortunate that true, but that might have, that
• 2:37:38
  might not be gender-based. I might be just the number of
• 2:37:40
  times a minute, lost sure. I'm all for taking on the
• 2:37:44
  biggest challenge, but on the track, the women are the biggest
• 2:37:48
  challenge because of the strength of the Jamaican women's
• 2:37:50
  team. Yes.
• 2:37:55
  But yeah, I'd rather comes to you and says, you can go to
• 2:38:02
  Drake relays penry. These are Texas relays on your
• 2:38:07
  season, which one are you going to?
• 2:38:11
  We're coming to Florida. I appreciate you, though.
• 2:38:13
  This is just don't be. All right, can I just go to
• 2:38:24
  Gainesville and okay? So, all right.
• 2:38:33
  It's not a rapid type answer, I'm not going Liz, I'm not going
• 2:38:36
  to pin, okay? All right, all right, Texas, in
• 2:38:43
  theory would have better weather.
• 2:38:46
  I actually really like, Drake relays.
• 2:38:51
  You know, I do I like it. I think they do a good job.
• 2:38:53
  I think they put on a good meat, but it might be 35.
• 2:38:58
  So, you know, I guess, I guess I go to Texas since its release.
• 2:39:04
  Okay. But begrudging, I do not enjoy.
• 2:39:09
  Okay, would you rather attend, a Too Short concert or a Jay-Z
• 2:39:25
  concert. Jay-Z ain't even close.
• 2:39:30
  There's no Universe where to start will put on a better
• 2:39:32
  concert. They did.
• 2:39:47
  From the crowd to the onstage performance in this if you want
• 2:39:51
  to get to shore concert go to a strip club.
• 2:39:54
  Oh my God, sure you're not wrong.
• 2:40:00
  Jay-Z and Beyonce. All right.
• 2:40:10
  That was fun. That was fun.
• 2:40:12
  Rounding out the show with heartbeat props.
• 2:40:16
  You know, in these trying times personally, professionally,
• 2:40:23
  athletically everything you know, people need to hear when
• 2:40:26
  things are going, right? And people need to highlight
• 2:40:28
  those who are doing, right? So we're here to do that.
• 2:40:34
  Would anybody like to go first I want to send a shout out
• 2:40:39
  heartbeat props out to everybody at the gas pumps making life
• 2:40:43
  decisions. Man, that kid man.
• 2:40:49
  Jeez. How many 1332 box full of my
• 2:40:56
  truck at the gas station? You know what?
• 2:41:12
  My heartbeat actually go out a whole lot of people who we were
• 2:41:17
  just talking about, like we've discussed on this show ad
• 2:41:20
  infinitum. How hard track and field is yet,
• 2:41:24
  we're sending an incredible team.
• 2:41:27
  My heartbeat props. Go out to all all of the folks
• 2:41:32
  both young medium and bordering on Old who are still Doing all
• 2:41:39
  the training necessary to fight the fight to go to World
• 2:41:43
  Championships and try to win medals.
• 2:41:48
  Because, and I'm not saying this in any level of braggadocious -
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  like I know how hard that is. And I'll be honest.
• 2:41:56
  It it's no less hard now than it was then like, yeah, technology
• 2:42:02
  has gotten better but so have all the people you compete
• 2:42:05
  against. So, and social media is a whole
• 2:42:08
  nother monster, so I give all of the people who are endeavoring
• 2:42:15
  to do professional track. Professionals and professionals.
• 2:42:20
  I tip my cap to you all because to get through the gauntlet of
• 2:42:25
  US championships and then say, tighten the chain strap in a
• 2:42:30
  month, I got more for you. I want to give my heart and you
• 2:42:37
  got a fan. I'm gonna get my Harpy props to
• 2:42:42
  the folks that the almost right. I've been watching this since
• 2:42:49
  mid-may that Compass level at the premium level at the
• 2:42:53
  Incheon. Leveling out the USA champion
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  level is the person that has the performance of their life.
• 2:42:59
  The person that gives her all and just doesn't quite make it
• 2:43:02
  and that just happened so much. You know, the heartache, the The
• 2:43:07
  coaches, the actors involved, and it's hard to watch.
• 2:43:10
  It really is. And so, I, my heartbeat props,
• 2:43:13
  go to those people to the coaches and athletes.
• 2:43:15
  The parents, the siblings that have to pick them up and support
• 2:43:18
  them when things don't go the way, they want them to go and
• 2:43:22
  forget for the Having the courage to line up and go out
• 2:43:24
  and do it again because it's not easy.
• 2:43:26
  So those are my heartbeat props to school.
• 2:43:32
  I can go next Governor wasn't ready to.
• 2:43:37
  It's fine. But go ahead.
• 2:43:44
  Mine is a kind of outside the realm of, you know, our Sport
• 2:43:50
  and all that. I mean I was enamored with the
• 2:43:56
  female performances at USA's. I shouted out some of those
• 2:44:00
  women that we need to be uplifting right now.
• 2:44:03
  But women in America took her big ass blow this past week with
• 2:44:09
  the dismantling of Roe v-- Wade by the Supreme Court.
• 2:44:16
  You know, fortunately, I live in a state where that's never going
• 2:44:20
  to be the law of the land here in California, but for half the
• 2:44:25
  states in this country, women just lost the fundamental right
• 2:44:28
  to control their own Futures and make their own decisions.
• 2:44:31
  And I don't know. It's wrong at every level, but I
• 2:44:37
  think the men in this nation need to stand up and have our
• 2:44:43
  women's backs on this particular issue because we're still, the
• 2:44:47
  majority in the Congress has, we're still the majority in the
• 2:44:51
  state houses and local pool apologize, political realm.
• 2:44:56
  And, you know, it doesn't make any sense that guns have more
• 2:45:00
  rights in this country than what as a person who was basically
• 2:45:05
  raised by a single mother, No, I have two sisters.
• 2:45:10
  Life partners and grandmothers and gratin crap.
• 2:45:14
  I think he's just like I just it makes me sick to my stomach to
• 2:45:18
  understand what women are going to have to endure forward
• 2:45:21
  because of that decision. I think every piece of it is
• 2:45:24
  wrong and I just hope that we can find a way forward that
• 2:45:26
  helps as many women as possible because it's it's going to be
• 2:45:32
  really, really bad. My heartbeat props.
• 2:45:38
  Go out to Clyde for taking what I was going to say.
• 2:45:40
  Thank you very much and see I think We should all as he said
• 2:45:54
  you'd behind protecting the women of this country.
• 2:45:57
  Absolutely Clive. Great job, absolutely.
• 2:46:03
  Related not related as my heartbeat propped on and
• 2:46:06
  mentioning those who are Desiring the change.
• 2:46:10
  I give you the props for those who are actually making actions
• 2:46:16
  to be the Catalyst for change rather than just talking about
• 2:46:19
  it. And why I say that is, I give
• 2:46:21
  the props to those, who are keeping vocal about the desire
• 2:46:25
  of change, because if people aren't aware of these changes
• 2:46:28
  that need to be made, whether it be Roe, v-- Wade, whether it be
• 2:46:30
  the Bowerman, Action process, whatever this these processes
• 2:46:34
  are, if we're not vocal and take action to it, they never become
• 2:46:39
  change. It's only just a what-if.
• 2:46:41
  Or they should have. So Props to you all who are
• 2:46:44
  allowing yourself to be strong enough, and vulnerable enough to
• 2:46:47
  put yourself out front and be a voice for things that need to
• 2:46:50
  be. If not changed, at least
• 2:46:52
  reviewed to be changed. So keeping strong and courageous
• 2:46:59
  enough. To bring these things to light.
• 2:47:05
  Well, with that, ironically you still managed to take up a lot
• 2:47:11
  of time. So, thank you all for giving us
• 2:47:14
  your ears. We hope your ears and your eyes.
• 2:47:17
  I guess. I know that a lot of you are
• 2:47:19
  listening rather than watching sometimes but another fun show.
• 2:47:23
  Thank you again, the land and Victor gentlemen, thank you
• 2:47:26
  again for your time this evening.
• 2:47:28
  But with that said, you know, most of us are enjoying the most
• 2:47:31
  time we spent homes. For the last six months so
• 2:47:34
  please do so and enjoy that and then otherwise we'll see each
• 2:47:38
  other next time. Bye everyone.
• 2:47:43
  Would you like to come on the bus to get to running?
• 2:48:13
  Wouldn't be here but we have stopped raining.
• 2:48:16
  You gotta understand wife's, gotta catch Stars, show you how
• 2:48:19
  to fight for, show us who you are, you lack experience?
• 2:48:22
  But still you want to talk and who is that junk to yourself?
• 2:48:25
  You gotta swallow, heads, prevail when your backbone
• 2:48:28
  strong, gotta keep it coming up, won't last long faster fell this
• 2:48:33
  cell this a strong and if you don't check yourself and that's
• 2:48:36
  wrong just trying to give you the real bitch ass for so why
• 2:48:40
  you keep cutting us off to a small?
• 2:48:42
  We put It in slow-mo, what you fast for it.