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Advice No One Asked For From Comedies Very Open And Fun Jenny Hagel · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but while listening to podcasts,
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  Speaker 1: right in the middle of an interview, I'll get bored
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  Speaker 1: and I gotta go. And it's like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I feel so sorry for this host, but I gotta go.
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  Speaker 1: I need a choice. I don't want to stop listening
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  Speaker 1: to podcasts. I just gotta go. That's what arro dot
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  Speaker 1: net is all about. A r r oe dot net.
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  Speaker 1: When you lose interest in the conversation and you gotta
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  Speaker 1: get something, it's right there waiting for you. And one
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  Speaker 1: of them is beyond the Calling. We're talking to the
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  Speaker 1: men and women who have served this great nation beyond
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  Speaker 1: the calling, only on arrow dot net, A r r
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  Speaker 1: oe dot net. Enjoy your exploration, Jenny, I tell you what,
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  Speaker 1: I can't put this book down. I swear to God
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  Speaker 1: we are from the same mothers, but we're just different people.
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  Speaker 1: You speak things in this book that just blow me away.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought I was the freak because I would
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  Speaker 1: feel something and I would say, yeah, put it away,
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  Speaker 1: put it away. But you really do bring out a
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  Speaker 1: lot of great things inside this book.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that means a lot to me. Thank you so much,
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  Speaker 2: lovely to hear.
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  Speaker 1: To be so open where'd you get the courage, because
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you had to have had parents that looked
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  Speaker 1: at you and said stop being a know it all
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  Speaker 1: and and and I hated that when my father would
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  Speaker 1: say that, I say, Dad, I'm just trying to learn.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to teach, and even stop being a
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  Speaker 1: know it all.
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  Speaker 2: They did say stop being know it all. They also said,
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  Speaker 2: please stop doing comedy. But like any parent probably would,
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  Speaker 2: I think, I just I don't know. I think I
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  Speaker 2: just I think that at some point, probably everybody gets
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  Speaker 2: to a point right where you're like, I just have
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  Speaker 2: to be who I am. Yes, right, We're all dealt
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  Speaker 2: a certain kind of personality, a certain set of skills,
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  Speaker 2: and you can run away from them or you can
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  Speaker 2: lean into them. And I think that's the best we
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  Speaker 2: can do, is be the best version of ourselves, whatever
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  Speaker 2: weirdo that self is.
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  Speaker 1: But what's great about you, though, is that, in your
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  Speaker 1: own special way, you say, we all have different personalities
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  Speaker 1: at the same time, But are you listening to the
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  Speaker 1: multiple levels that we travel?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's it, right, You just got to be
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  Speaker 2: a tune to who you are, who you are and
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  Speaker 2: work with what you've got, because I do think sometimes
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  Speaker 2: a certain portion of a lot of people's youth and mine.
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  Speaker 2: I can speak for myself, certainly, my youth was spent thinking, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I should be more this, I should be less this,
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  Speaker 2: I should try harder to be more like this person
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  Speaker 2: or that person. And it's a really relaxing thing to
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  Speaker 2: get to the point in life where you're like, no,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, that person could be great. This quality could
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  Speaker 2: be great if I had it, But I can't be
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  Speaker 2: someone else. The most I can do is be the
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  Speaker 2: best version of me. And there's something lovely when you
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  Speaker 2: get to the age or the point in life where
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  Speaker 2: you relax into that and you're like, let's just try
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  Speaker 2: to be the best version of whatever weirdo I am.
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  Speaker 1: I swear we are exactly the way that Mark Twain
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  Speaker 1: wanted us to be as creative people, even he spoke
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  Speaker 1: about it so much about just be yourself, use your
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  Speaker 1: own accent, your own style, put the commas in the
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  Speaker 1: bad places and put a semi cole in somewhere where
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't belong. Just be yourself.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's it. And I think people respond to
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  Speaker 2: writing like that. I know I do. I think when
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  Speaker 2: writing is interesting and unique and it's from a point
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  Speaker 2: of view so specific that I could never have imagined it.
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  Speaker 2: Number one, that's when it's the most interesting. And then
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  Speaker 2: number two, the weirdest thing about very specific writing is
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  Speaker 2: that you connect with it, even if that other person
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  Speaker 2: has a different background than you, a different life experience.
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  Speaker 2: The more specifically they speak about their life, the more
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  Speaker 2: universal it feels, because it has a human quality to it,
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  Speaker 2: and we all end up plugging into it in some way.
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  Speaker 1: Do you find yourself being out there in the public
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  Speaker 1: eye and ear and sit there and you want to
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  Speaker 1: hear these stories because inside my mind, I'm going, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is going onto a podcast. Oh this is going
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  Speaker 1: into a book. Oh you are the perfect character. Thank
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  Speaker 1: you God forgiving me this new character for a story.
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  Speaker 2: I don't you know. People ask that a lot, or
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  Speaker 2: people will do a thing and they'll be like, I
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  Speaker 2: bet you're going to use this in your routine. And
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  Speaker 2: it's not that I think, because that would be robbing.
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  Speaker 2: I'd be stealing some I'd be stealing someone else's experience.
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  Speaker 2: If someone asks a certain way, I can't really write
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  Speaker 2: effectively about it because that's not who I am, that's
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  Speaker 2: not where I'm coming from, and I don't mean it
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  Speaker 2: sound arrogant, like I'm the most interesting subject. But my
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  Speaker 2: point of view is the point of view I can
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  Speaker 2: write the most effectively from. Yeah, it's going to ring
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  Speaker 2: false if I try to write from someone else's point
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  Speaker 2: of view, Well, then.
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  Speaker 1: I got to get your point of view. On wearing
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  Speaker 1: an analog watch, I can't. I just feel like that
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  Speaker 1: my left arm or my right arm doesn't need to
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  Speaker 1: be weighed down. Because I'm a speaker, I use my hands,
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  Speaker 1: and I feel like that watch is going No, you're
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  Speaker 1: keeping thoughts from me, but you kind of praise the
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  Speaker 1: analog watch.
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  Speaker 2: It's so funny you said that you don't as a speaker,
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  Speaker 2: because the one place I always wear one is when
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  Speaker 2: I'm on stage. I feel like I need to keep
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  Speaker 2: track of the time. That's so interesting that you don't
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  Speaker 2: wear one when you speak. So in my book, one
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  Speaker 2: of the pieces of advice I give is to wear
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  Speaker 2: an analog watch because I feel like our phones steal
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  Speaker 2: so much of our lives. Yes, and a pattern I
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  Speaker 2: noticed was that I would pull out my phone to
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  Speaker 2: check the time, and then while my phone was in
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  Speaker 2: my hand, I'd be like, well, let me check my texts, Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Then I get a text, and I'd be like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you know what, let me check the weather, let me
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  Speaker 2: google this thing. Yeah, I google that reminds me of
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  Speaker 2: something else. Then that reminds me of something else. Next thing,
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  Speaker 2: I know, like three and a half hours have gone by,
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  Speaker 2: the sun has gotten down. I don't even remember why
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  Speaker 2: I picked up my phone in the first place. So
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  Speaker 2: I was just trying to limit the number of times
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  Speaker 2: I look at my phone to begin with, to open
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  Speaker 2: that portal.
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  Speaker 1: I'll sit here inside this studio and it's and it's
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  Speaker 1: overlooking this forest in South Charlotte, and by the sunlight.
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  Speaker 1: Is that? Because I have no clocks inside the studio
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  Speaker 1: at all, I do not know what time it is.
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  Speaker 1: All I know is is that by the shade or
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  Speaker 1: whatever is happening outside this window is how I determine
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  Speaker 1: what time of day it is.
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  Speaker 2: That's fascinating. You sound like a boy scout. I just
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  Speaker 2: noticed that, like if I were an analog watched then
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  Speaker 2: I would check my wrist for the time and not
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  Speaker 2: get sucked into the vortex that is myself.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes, Another thing that you covered that I thought
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  Speaker 1: was pretty darn cool, is please at the weddings stop
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  Speaker 1: turning your toasts into roast. I thank god you finally
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  Speaker 1: said something like that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh my god. If there's one thing, if I could
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  Speaker 2: wave a wand and make one change in the world,
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  Speaker 2: it would be for people to stop trying to give
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  Speaker 2: funny wedding toasts, because I think that what you are
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  Speaker 2: doing at the end of the day, whether you mean
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  Speaker 2: to or not, is you're putting all the attention on
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  Speaker 2: yourself and you're not putting attention on the people getting married.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the point of a wedding toast, is to
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  Speaker 2: give attention to them, saying nice things about them, tell them.
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  Speaker 2: You know, often we don't do a lot of just
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  Speaker 2: looking someone in the eye and telling them how we
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  Speaker 2: feel about them, especially if they're friends. We have space
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  Speaker 2: for that in romantic relationships, but you don't often just
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  Speaker 2: look at your friend, I guess, unless you've had a
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  Speaker 2: few beers and just say like, Hey, I love you,
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  Speaker 2: I admire this about you, I think this is great
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  Speaker 2: about you. You've mean this XYZ to me, And a
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  Speaker 2: wedding toast is one of the few forms in which
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  Speaker 2: it's publicly acceptable and expected to do that, and instead,
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  Speaker 2: somehow in the last ten twenty years, this idea has
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  Speaker 2: settled on all of us that instead it's supposed to
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  Speaker 2: be a comedy routine, and it's not. Because what I
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  Speaker 2: say in the book is there's two possible outcomes to
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  Speaker 2: a funny wedding toast. Number one, it goes great and
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  Speaker 2: after you give it people are only talking about you.
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  Speaker 2: Or number two, it goes terribly and after you give
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  Speaker 2: it people are only talking about you. Either way, the
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  Speaker 2: focus is not on the couple getting married. So in
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  Speaker 2: my book, I talk about how we really My advice
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  Speaker 2: if you're giving a wedding toast is to make it
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  Speaker 2: about the other people. Make it genuine and sincere. And
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  Speaker 2: in my book I provide a literal template you can
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  Speaker 2: use if you're giving a toast.
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  Speaker 1: See I will use your book as a tool from
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  Speaker 1: this day forward. In The reason why is because I
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  Speaker 1: believe that you believe in the same mantra. As people
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  Speaker 1: aren't happy to see me, they're happy I see them.
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  Speaker 1: So therefore I'm gonna put all my investment in them
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  Speaker 1: because I think that we can go further by knowing
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  Speaker 1: their story, get them to laugh, get them to do
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  Speaker 1: something emotionally. God dang, that just opens up the path
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  Speaker 1: to grow forward.
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  Speaker 2: That's what a beautiful. People aren't happy. Say that your
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  Speaker 2: people aren't happy. They are I see them. That's gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody is happy to see me. They're happy that
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  Speaker 1: I see them. And that's how I base my entire life.
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  Speaker 2: That's a beautiful Do you want? That's I should have
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  Speaker 2: had you add an addendum to this book.
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  Speaker 1: But it's because there's so much going on. I mean that.
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  Speaker 1: And I think that's the reason why this book speaks
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  Speaker 1: so loudly to me is because that you are speaking.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I can't figure out if you're a Pisces
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  Speaker 1: or a cancer. I don't know if you're from Montana,
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  Speaker 1: because you're speaking this street that I'm so familiar with.
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  Speaker 2: Oh that's really lovely. I'm neither Capricorn from Virginia. Whatever
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  Speaker 2: that means. It means Charlotte, and I'm a big fan of.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, So, so what part of Charlotte do
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  Speaker 1: you get around in when you come down here? Uh?
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  Speaker 2: You know what, I don't even know the name of
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  Speaker 2: the neighborhood because I just go straight to my aunt's
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  Speaker 2: house or my best friend's house. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Well that's the way Charlotte is. I don't you
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  Speaker 1: know you ask me how to get to my house,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. That's why. That's why you have Google Maps.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not I do not know how to get here.
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  Speaker 1: I just know that if I turn here, I turn there.
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  Speaker 1: I let you know. It's like, oh, you know, that's
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  Speaker 1: why Southerners they'll sit there and say, well, when you
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  Speaker 1: see the tracks, make a left, go up to the
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  Speaker 1: church and you'll see you McDonald's do. They don't give
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  Speaker 1: you real directions and see and that's said language you
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  Speaker 1: speak as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's just I think that's all right.
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  Speaker 2: Like there's so much performative stuff in life of people
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  Speaker 2: trying to seem like they know what they're doing or
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  Speaker 2: like they have their act together, and it's just such
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  Speaker 2: a relief when people admit that they don't, when they're like, oh,
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  Speaker 2: I made this mistake, but at least I learned this
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  Speaker 2: from it, or I tried this thing it didn't really
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  Speaker 2: work out. I think, like, especially if you know I
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  Speaker 2: was hoping, like in the book, one of the things
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  Speaker 2: hopefully that people take from it if they're in a
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  Speaker 2: spire and comedian is like, hey, these are the number
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  Speaker 2: of times I have failed and I continue to fail regularly,
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  Speaker 2: but that's just part of it. And I think if
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  Speaker 2: we all kind of take off the veneer of perfection
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  Speaker 2: a little bit, then it gives other people permission to
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  Speaker 2: feel imperfect, which is what we all are at the
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  Speaker 2: end of the day.
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  Speaker 1: Right, Please do not move. There's more with Jenny Hagel
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  Speaker 1: coming up next. The name of her book Advice No
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  Speaker 1: One Asks For. You're gonna love this. Jenny Hagel is
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  Speaker 1: back the path that you're walking on. And I've been
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  Speaker 1: in broadcasting for forty six years. There's something that seems
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  Speaker 1: to be happening, and I'd love to know how you're
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  Speaker 1: dealing with it because you talked about how people like
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  Speaker 1: to use comedy, and comedy seems to be on an
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  Speaker 1: uprise right now. A lot of people want to believe
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  Speaker 1: that they're funny. How are we dealing with their funny
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  Speaker 1: versus the funny that you and I grew up with.
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  Speaker 1: Because it is a changing world and the way that
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  Speaker 1: people relate these days.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know what you mean by changing. Fuck can
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  Speaker 2: you say more about that? I don't know what you means.
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  Speaker 1: Well, I think people like you and I we've been
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  Speaker 1: trained by the big name, by those that inspired us,
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  Speaker 1: by consultants, by by bosses, by comedy clubs, by stages.
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  Speaker 1: And now you've got people that are coming out and
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  Speaker 1: saying whatever they want, and you kind of sit back, going,
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  Speaker 1: oh crap, wow, I would have been in the you know,
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  Speaker 1: in the in the dumper for that one.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, but I think experience teaches you, right.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, And I think right right, yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So I think like somebody who doesn't have the kind
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  Speaker 2: of like maybe more rigorous comedy training that you and
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  Speaker 2: I have, they'll learn from experience. They'll get up and
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  Speaker 2: they'll try. And I'd always rather have somebody try because
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  Speaker 2: the audience will tell you very quickly what works and
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  Speaker 2: what doesn't. So I think that'll be the teacher, right yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And the thing about it is you're proving that we're
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  Speaker 1: always the student. And that's the thing that I love
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  Speaker 1: about what you're doing here, because I mean right away,
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  Speaker 1: and this really got my attention. You you know, we
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  Speaker 1: all want this thing to go one hundred percent right.
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  Speaker 1: You put focus on that about that. You don't have
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  Speaker 1: to be one hundred percent right.
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  Speaker 2: That's right. It never will, nothing will ever go one
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  Speaker 2: hundred percent right. You won't have a perfect career, a
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  Speaker 2: perfect even single day at work. You're not going to
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  Speaker 2: have a perfect marriage, You're not going to be a
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  Speaker 2: perfect parent. None of that is possible or attainable. So
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  Speaker 2: I think it's more about getting comfortable with the fact
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  Speaker 2: that life is a series of wins and losses, big
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  Speaker 2: and small. And one of the essays in the book
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  Speaker 2: talks about specifically. I talk about how much comedy failure
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  Speaker 2: of experienced and I write that in this essay that
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  Speaker 2: I kind of, over time just shifted to thinking of
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  Speaker 2: the victory being in the trying. Right. It's so hard
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  Speaker 2: to put yourself out there in any context, right. It's
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  Speaker 2: hard to if you have a normal office job, stand
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  Speaker 2: up in a meeting and say hey, I think I
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  Speaker 2: have a good idea. That's vulnerable to say hey, I
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  Speaker 2: think I have a good idea because everybody might not
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  Speaker 2: agree with you. It's vulnerable at a comedy job to
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  Speaker 2: turn in a word document with twenty jokes to my
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  Speaker 2: boss because maybe things people stink. There's so much there's vulnerability.
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  Speaker 2: And going out on a first date what a big swing, right,
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  Speaker 2: And so I think that if we can see, if
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  Speaker 2: we can focus less on the end result and see
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  Speaker 2: the trying as the victory. We'll try more, and we'll
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  Speaker 2: give ourselves more of a break when things don't go well,
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  Speaker 2: because at least we gave ourselves the opportunity for them
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  Speaker 2: to go right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know how you dealt with putting those those
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  Speaker 1: jokes or those lines together, those relatables as I call
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  Speaker 1: them together, and then have somebody else decide if they're
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  Speaker 1: going to use them, because I mean there were many times,
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  Speaker 1: because I call it infotainment, I would do an infotainment
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  Speaker 1: bit on the air and I knew that it fell flat.
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  Speaker 1: And it's like, it's like, if I understood it while
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  Speaker 1: I was writing it, why didn't I understand it when
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  Speaker 1: I was delivering it. So I don't know how you're
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  Speaker 1: able to have that strength to be able to say, oh,
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  Speaker 1: my god, this is the greatest thing on this on
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  Speaker 1: this sheet of paper, or this this thing I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to send us an email, and then they go, eh,
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  Speaker 1: I didn't feel it.
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  Speaker 2: Oh oh, well, here's the thing. I don't think it's
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  Speaker 2: the greatest thing ever. I just think, here's here's twenty.
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  Speaker 2: If I turned in twenty jokes, my boss, I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: here's twenty attempts. Yeah, here's twenty attempts, and then it's
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  Speaker 2: their job to decide if it works for the show
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  Speaker 2: or not. And also, I'll say this, I think I
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  Speaker 2: don't tend to when I talk about comedy talk about
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  Speaker 2: things as good or bad. I'll talk about the work
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  Speaker 2: or they don't, because that's the thing. Is like, if
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  Speaker 2: someone is even halfway experienced comedically, there's a reason they
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  Speaker 2: wrote that joke. They had some core idea that was
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  Speaker 2: funny or something they were trying to say, and it
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  Speaker 2: might just be that they weren't able to package it
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  Speaker 2: in the right words to get it to work for
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  Speaker 2: the audience, for them to laugh, or to communicate what
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  Speaker 2: they were trying to say. So some jokes work and
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  Speaker 2: some jokes don't. And some jokes work for some people
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  Speaker 2: and they don't work for others. Right, Like, I've certainly
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  Speaker 2: told jokes where some people are laughing and some people
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  Speaker 2: aren't because they don't find it funny, or they don't
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  Speaker 2: have the pop culture reference, or they don't have the
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  Speaker 2: lived experience to understand it, and or they just maybe
• 13:29
  Speaker 2: that's just not their sense of humor. All of that
• 13:31
  Speaker 2: is fine. I think jokes work or they don't They
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: work for some people that don't work for others. But again,
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: none of it is a pure success rate. I've never
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: in my life hit send on an email to my
• 13:39
  Speaker 2: boss and thought everything in that email is a piece
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: of gold. It's just we're all just out here trying.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: And there been times when I've written a joke that
• 13:45
  Speaker 2: I thought was hilarious, Yep, that all flat. And there
• 13:48
  Speaker 2: been times where I wrote a joke and I thought
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: this is not going to go anywhere, but I need
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: something in this spot in the script, and it goes great,
• 13:54
  Speaker 2: And you just don't know. Audiences surprise you all the time.
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: But again, I think the victory is in the trying. See.
• 14:01
  Speaker 1: That's like I'm blessed with the opportunity to talk to
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: all of these authors, from Ya authors all the way
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: up to God even you know something, even from just
• 14:10
  Speaker 1: anything that's got action in it. And the thing is,
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: they'll put comedy in there and I'll ask them, I'll go,
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: how is it that you can write this funny stuff?
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: And it takes comedians and actors time to cultivate and
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: to sit there and really skillfully get that joke to
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: work in a live audience. And they go, Yeah, it
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: just fell out of me and I just don't know
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: how to handle that, because you know how it is.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: It is a skilled art what you do.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think over time you do develop a better
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: sense of what will work. Right. When I was younger,
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: I had to put something in front of an audience
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: to know if it worked or didn't. And then I
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: just did that so much that I started and I'm
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: not always right, but I started to get a better
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: sense when I'm at my laptop of what will work
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: and wall wall Before I had to get it on
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: its feet in from of an audience, and now I'm
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: at a different place where I can look at it
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: on a page or on a screen and be like, yeah,
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: I think that'll work. But that's just from time, It's
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: just from hours on stage, and to be frank, it's
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: from a lot of failure.
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: I wish I was a fly on the wall when
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: somehow someway in your eyes, you felt, why aren't we
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: giving paper plates to these future mothers at a baby registry?
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: Because you're right, we always do the diapers, Oh, get
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: them the diapers they always need, but we totally forget
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: about the paper plates until I found it in your book.
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we spend we waste too much time
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: buying people who are expectant parents cute outfits for their babies. Yeah,
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: the first few weeks are a war zone. No newborn
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: needs a cute outfit because they're just going to barf
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: on it. No newborn needs a cute outfit. You just
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: need to give those parents things that will get them
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: through the first Like, you know, three to four weeks
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: of parenthood, it's total chaos. You feel like a feral animal.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: And that's the thing is I remember being like I
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: don't know, two in the morning or something and eating
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: a meal because you know, time has no meaning when
• 15:54
  Speaker 2: you have a newborn and thinking like, oh my god,
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: I have to wash this dish. I'll die. Yeah, that's
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: the one. Whenever somebody is this is classic advice no
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: one asks for. Whenever somebody tells me they're expecting. I
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: have an email that I always send any expectant first
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: time parent that has ten things you should put on
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: your registry that nobody will tell you about. And it's
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: all very un sexy, unfun, not cute stuff like that
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: where it's like, yeah, sure, you think of having a
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: baby is mostly putting them in cute outfits and taking pictures.
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: It's not it's the absolute panic, the flop sweat of
• 16:24
  Speaker 2: trying to keep a new thing alive. Wow.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: So when do you receive your wisdom or do you
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: see it as wisdom or is it just something you're
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: going ma nobody's ever talked about that. I'm going to
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: look into it. But there's got to be a time
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: when you sit down with a writing instrument and feel
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: what the universe is delivering.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I think maybe that's just it right. Everybody's a different
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: skill set, and I think mine might be collecting life
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: experiences and then it just they happen to float back
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: into my brain at a time when it's useful. But
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I think also part of it, though, it comes from
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: being very honest in the fact that about the fact
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: that I'm not perfect. I'm not infallible when it comes
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: to comedy. I'm not infallible as a human being. We're
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: just all here trying, man. We're all just as you're
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: doing our best. I'm about to go on a book tour,
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: and I'm sure there will be times where I show
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: up and I forgot a thing I needed. I'm about
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: to hit four cities in a week. I will probably
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: get to one airport too early and one airport too late.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: I will probably forget a thing I needed, a prop
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: I needed, you know what I mean. Like, we're all
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: just out here doing our best. That's the most we
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: can do.
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: Where can people go to find out more about you? Because,
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna love this book. This is a
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Lewis Grizzard style book that just puts you back in
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: a place of writing history. That's gonna make you laugh,
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: It's gonna make you think. It's gonna put you in
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: an area as a reader where you're gonna go I've
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: got a better view of life. I just love what
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: you're doing here.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Oh, I appreciate that so much. Yeah, people want to
• 17:42
  Speaker 2: check out the book. I hope they will. It's available
• 17:44
  Speaker 2: today and moving forward any place you get books, there's
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: an audio book available. You can download that. There's a
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: Kindle version. And if you if people are you know,
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I'm about to go on a book tour. Unfortunately I'm
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: not going to Charlotte. But if they are listening and
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: are gonna be somewhere else this coming week in another city,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: go to my website Jennyheagel dot com and has all
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: the tour dates there. But yeah, I really hope people
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: check it out. It mean a lot to me.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: So when you go from city to city and you
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: know how we are here in the South, it's so
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: easy just to say, well, bless your heart, because we
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: want them to kind of just walk on. But you
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: tend to be that one that's going to go tell
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: me more, tell me more about what you're going through.
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: You just have this this ear that is just fantastic.
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: Oh that's really lovely. Yeah. I had to be careful
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: because I the opening of my show involves I have
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: some slides that I show and I was writing it.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: I'm doing a book event. I'm doing a show tonight
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: in Brooklyn, and one of the sides made a reference
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: to carrying a book on the train, and I thought, oh,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: I have to change that because I'm taking these slides
• 18:39
  Speaker 2: to a bunch of other cities where they use cars. Oh.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I had to remember, like, oh, yeah, we have to,
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: we can't. We got to remember that we're going to
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: We're about to this week see a lot of different
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: people in a lot of different places, who live a
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: lot of different ways. I love it.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: Please come back to this show anytime in the future.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: The door is always going to be open for you.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Hey, this has been such a lovely conversation. I really
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: appreciate it, and I really sincerely loved Charlotte. What a
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: delight to speak to you. Thank you.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, all right, thank you. Have a great day in
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: the Queen City.
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Oh you spoke my street on that one.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: Oh you know it.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: Hell, thank you so much.