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- 0:00Welcome to episode number one hundred and forty five of the Death of Journalism podcast.
- 0:04My name is John Zigler. I'm your host on today's show. OJ
- 0:08Simpson has died, and I will have extensive thoughts on his impact on my
- 0:12life and vice versa. Donald Trump's first criminal trial gets underway, multiple major
- 0:19media outlets are in an existential crisis, and a unique take on the Master's
- 0:25golf Tournament. Obviously, a lot of people tuning into this podcast and who
- 0:31are subscribers to the Death of Journalism are probably very interested in my thoughts on
- 0:36the death of OJ Simpson, and I have a lot to share because,
- 0:41as you probably know, this is this entire OJ Simpson saga has played an
- 0:47extremely significant role in my life, and I've played a minor role in Ojy's
- 0:53life. But I'm going to hold off to the second half of this episode
- 0:57of the podcast before I get into that in detail, mostly because I don't
- 1:03know how long it's going to take me to do that, and I'd rather
- 1:07get to the news of the day other than OJ first, and then I
- 1:11can just kind of lay it all out in the second half of the podcast
- 1:15in a story that I probably have never told in its totality before, you're
- 1:19going to hear things you've probably heard prior, but probably not all in one
- 1:26place. And I will promise you this. There's one piece of information that
- 1:30I'm going to reveal later in this episode regarding OJ Simpson that you have never
- 1:36heard before that ought to be a major national news story but won't be.
- 1:41That I think you're going to be finding to be quite interesting and very compelling.
- 1:46I don't want to oversell it, but it's a tidbit that I have
- 1:49never revealed before, and I feel like now that OJ is dead, it's
- 1:53perfectly appropriate for me to do so, So that's going to be in the
- 1:57second half of this episode the podcast. I do want to also, at
- 2:01first at least reference the big international news story of the last few days,
- 2:07which was the attack by Iran on Israel, the drone attack, which appears
- 2:13to have been largely, if not totallyffeckless and may have been almost entirely symbolic
- 2:20this in retaliation for Israel taking out and Irani in general. A lot of
- 2:24people talking about is this the beginning of World War three? And with Russia
- 2:30backing Iran, and you have basically the nexus of Iran, Russia, and
- 2:36Hamas going up against Israel and the United States and maybe some others. I
- 2:43don't think we're there yet. I don't like talking about things that I don't
- 2:46have special insight into, and I don't have any special insight into this particular
- 2:53situation other than it's remarkable how well Israel's defenses, apparently with the help of
- 2:59the United States, was able to effectively thwart the Iranian attack, which again
- 3:05may not have been all that impressive militarily. I do feel like I can
- 3:10talk about the political implications of this escalation in the Middle East, and obviously
- 3:16no one knows where this is going to go from here, but from a
- 3:21United States perspective, I do think this causes some problems for Joe Biden,
- 3:25even though in the short run it doesn't appear to have caused any harm for
- 3:30him, especially since the attack against Israel failed, But it does create the
- 3:37impression that things are not under control. That chaos in this particular situation for
- 3:44an incumbent president who is eighty one years old is not good because it reminds
- 3:51people of the dangerous nature of the world and the fact that Joe Biden is
- 3:55going to be even older than he already is in a second term, and
- 4:00so from a subliminal standpoint, I don't think it's very good for Joe Biden.
- 4:04More specifically, this continues to raise the problem he has in Michigan,
- 4:12where what might be the most important state. You could argue right now that
- 4:16the state where Biden is most vulnerable, the biggest major swing state, Michigan,
- 4:24where he is most vulnerable, is presenting a situation where he has a
- 4:29balancing act between the Muslim vote and the mainstream vote that it may not be
- 4:36doable for him, and so almost no matter what he does now, the
- 4:42more this issue is at top of mind, I think it causes problems for
- 4:47Biden and Michigan. We saw in the Michigan primary where there was an unprecedented
- 4:53number of people who voted uncommitted. Those were thought to be Muslims. There's
- 4:57a high Muslim population in Michigan, and so therefore almost anything Biden does in
- 5:03this area is either going to cost him Jewish votes and I think Pennsylvania is
- 5:10probably the only key swing state where that could even be remotely influential, or
- 5:15it's going to cost him votes in the Muslim community, which is going to
- 5:18be a major factor in Michigan, so I don't think that's good for Joe
- 5:24Biden. Also, any trouble in the Middle East, although this doesn't directly
- 5:30relate to what's going on with the price of gasoline, it may indirectly relate
- 5:34to it. Any trouble in the Middle East historically has driven gas prices up,
- 5:40the price of oil, and then eventually gasoline up. We've talked previously
- 5:44on this podcast about how there's already conspiracy theories that the Saudis are trying to
- 5:49help elect Donald Trump by raising the price of gasoline and continuing to forward the
- 5:56inflation narrative. There's no question, regardless of how and why it's happening,
- 6:00that the price of gasoline is increasing and chaos in the Middle least is not
- 6:05going to help that, and that is not helpful to Joe Biden's campaign.
- 6:10There's no question about that either. So how much of an impact, obviously
- 6:14it's yet to be seen. But that's how I see this particular situation playing
- 6:18out, at least in the short run. Politically, of course, all
- 6:23eyes are on New York City and the first Trump criminal trial, which is
- 6:30taking place as we tape this on Monday. It's starting with jury selection and
- 6:35my big take on the first Trump criminal trial. And this, of course,
- 6:41for those who've lost track, and it's understandable if you have, this
- 6:44is the Stormy Daniels case. This is the hush money case. This is
- 6:46an alleged campaign finance case where in twenty sixteen Donald Trump paid off a porn
- 6:54star to keep quiet about an affair that they had had or a sexual relationship
- 6:59that had had just before the twenty sixteen election is when this allegedly occurred,
- 7:04and that under the theory of the Manhattan da Alvin Bragg, this is somehow
- 7:11a campaign finance violation. Technically, I think you can make an argument for
- 7:16that, but the idea that this could be a felony seems absurd. There
- 7:20seems to be an insane delay. I mean, this is something that was
- 7:26known many, many years ago. We played a clip recently on the podcast
- 7:30or Michael Avenatti, Stormy Daniel's former attorney who's now in prison, who I
- 7:34thought laid it out better than anybody else. I've heard, certainly in the
- 7:38mainstream news media that it is absolutely insane that such a weak case is being
- 7:43brought in the middle of a presidential campaign. There's absolutely positively no way to
- 7:46get a fair jury for Donald Trump. And that's my biggest, my biggest
- 7:51dog in this hunt. From a due process standpoint, it is absolutely astonishing
- 7:57to me that no buddy in the mainstream news media is raising bloody murder figuratively
- 8:05speaking, screaming bloody murder about how absolutely absurd it is that we're putting a
- 8:11presidential candidate on trial in a jurisdiction that hates his guts, that knows that
- 8:18if they convict, they will be impacting the presidential election in their own favor
- 8:24because they're going to be all Democrats in all likelihood on this jury, so
- 8:28they automatically have an animus towards the most divisive figure in the United States,
- 8:33Donald Trump. And they have been told constantly, and anybody with half a
- 8:39brain will know that if they convict, they're helping elect their presidential candidate,
- 8:46because everybody knows it's not going to be helpful. Now, how much it's
- 8:48going to hurt is open to question. Are those who think that a conviction
- 8:52in this particular case won't hurt Donald Trump at all? But there's no question
- 8:58that we have been said identivize this jury in an insane fashion that goes against
- 9:05everything we allegedly believe about the entire concept of due process. So to me,
- 9:09when people say it's election interference, I think even Donald Trump misses the
- 9:16biggest point here. He thinks that he keeps saying, understandably so, that
- 9:20he's being attacked because of his political position and the fact that he's the Republican
- 9:26nominee, and that this is law fair, and I get all that,
- 9:31but I've never heard him make the further connection, which is it's not just
- 9:37an issue of the DA going after Trump because he's a political threat, at
- 9:43least on paper. It's what's going to happen in the minds of these jurors
- 9:48and how in the world you can possibly do jury selection and the case like
- 9:52this is absolutely mind blowing, and by and large, the news media has
- 9:58a nor this issue. We're just going to pretend that this is a remotely
- 10:03normal case, that this is not a situation where jurors have been given incredibly
- 10:09perverse incentives. Unbelievably perverse incentives. Imagine being a Democrat in New York City
- 10:18getting on this jury and knowing you can help elect Joe Biden president simply by
- 10:24convicting a guy you hate, and everybody on the jury is going to have
- 10:28a very similar view in all likelihood, given the nature of the jurisdiction,
- 10:35and the media just pretends that this isn't an issue. And I guess I
- 10:37have to say, once again, I don't think Donald Trump has done a
- 10:41great job of articulating the inherent dangers of this particular circumstance. Now along these
- 10:48lines, there was a very interesting exchange, a fascinating confrontation really on ABC's
- 10:54Sunday Morning show hosted by George Stephanopolis. Of course, is you know somebody
- 11:00who is a Democrat for life, became famous because he was a political aid
- 11:05to Bill Clinton back in the day. And he was interviewing New Hampshire Governor
- 11:11Chris Sonuno, who's kind of a bizarre figure at this point. He's a
- 11:16Republican governor, moderate who hates Trump, who people thought was gonna endorse Ronda
- 11:22Santis. He did not. He endorsed Nikky Haley. Nikki Haley has not
- 11:26endorsed Donald Trump, and but Rick Chris Sanuno has And he went on ABC
- 11:35with George Stefanopolis, and this was really amazing. I mean, talk about
- 11:41two different worlds that these two men were living in. And again, Chris
- 11:46Nuno is not a maga guy, he is a moderate. And Stephanopolis and
- 11:50Sonunu were talking right past each other. They had no clue. Really,
- 11:56I think Snunu had a clue about where Snephanopolis was coming from, but George
- 12:00Stephanopolis had no idea what ch Sanunu was even trying to say. And this
- 12:07went on for a very long time. I'm just going to play two clips
- 12:11from this remarkable exchange, one from the very beginning and one from the very
- 12:16end. And at the beginning, Stephanopolis tries to understand how it could be
- 12:20that Sonunu would still support publicly Donald Trump if he was convicted in this particular
- 12:28case in Manhattan, and Sonunu, I think somewhat, if not mostly correctly,
- 12:35basically says George. I'm paraphrasing here. You can determine for yourself what
- 12:39he really meant. George, you're out of out of the loop here.
- 12:43You don't understand what a joke this case is and how it's not going to
- 12:48have any political impact regardless of what the verdict is. And here's what that
- 12:54sounded like on ABC tomorrow at that criminal trial. Will your support for Donald
- 12:58Trump continue even if he's convicted in Manhattan? Yeah, Look, this trial
- 13:05is not going to have major political ramifications that a lot of people, I
- 13:07think think it may have. When it comes to these issues. People see
- 13:11it more as reality TV at this point, they really do. And so
- 13:16you know, whether it's a conviction or what that conviction looks like, a
- 13:18lot of folks they conflate all four of these different trials that he's in.
- 13:22I don't think it's good that he's going to be in the court, have
- 13:24to be in there probably three days a week, you know, for a
- 13:26number of weeks. That takes him off the campaign trail. He'll probably go
- 13:30back on the campaign trail and almost like rehash what's going on. He'll try
- 13:33to victimize it. And that has worked for him, right, I mean,
- 13:35this has been going on for over a year, and his poll numbers
- 13:39never seem to go down because of the issue. Well, yeah, you're
- 13:41going to politics, So I'm asking you about right and wrong. You think
- 13:43it's you're comfortable with the idea of supporting someone who's convicted of oh, no,
- 13:50federal crime as President. No. I don't think any American is it
- 13:54comfortable with any of this. They don't like any of this, of course,
- 13:58but I mean when it comes to actually, you know, looking at
- 14:01each of these trials as they kind of take place, whether it's this year
- 14:03or next year, as they kind of line up right now, this is
- 14:07about an election, right, This is about politics. That's what people are
- 14:11judging this on. And the ultimate you know, decision will be will be
- 14:13in November to see where people now. As an anti Trump conservative from the
- 14:18very beginning, I actually thought that Sonuno made a pretty good point there that
- 14:24the media is completely out of touch, that they do not understand that to
- 14:30the average voter, this is not what the media thinks it is. They
- 14:35think all these cases are completely legitimate and therefore, you know, if there's
- 14:41a conviction that would disqualify Donald Trump. But Snunu is saying no, this
- 14:48has become a joke, especially this particular case in Manhattan. I think that
- 14:52you know, there's a conventional wisdom out there, and I'm always very very
- 14:56hesitant to accept the conventional wisdom, but this time it might be right that
- 15:00the New York case going first is an advantage to Trump. Now, I
- 15:05thought the Florida case going first would be an advantage to Trump because that was
- 15:09the one because of a Florida jury where I thought Trump would have the best
- 15:13chance at a mistrial or a hung jury, and that would be a victory
- 15:18for Trump. There's a very good chance that he gets convicted here because of
- 15:22the nature of the jurisdiction. However, the nature of the allegations are such
- 15:28that it may not actually hurt and could in theory even help Donald Trump depending
- 15:33on how this all goes down. So I kind of sympathize with Sununu's take
- 15:39on this, especially since he's exposing Stephanopoulos as being completely out of touch.
- 15:45But Stephanopolos did not stop there. This went on for several minutes, and
- 15:48want to fast forward to the end where an incredulous Stephanopolis is lays out all
- 15:56the things that he thinks clearly should qualify Sanunu from supporting Donald Trump. But
- 16:03Snunu says, no, none of it's going to matter, and he strongly
- 16:08indicates that he believes that the American people are on his side. And here's
- 16:12what that sounded like. That's how badly America wants a culture change. So,
- 16:18just to sum up, you would you support him for president if he's
- 16:21convicted classified documents. You support him for president even though you believe he contributed
- 16:25to an insurrection. You support him for president even though you believe he's lying
- 16:27about the last election. You support him for president even if he's convicted in
- 16:30the Manhattan case. I just want to say the answer to that is yes,
- 16:33correct, Yeah, me and fifty one percent of America. Governor,
- 16:38thanks for time this morning. Up next Arizona puts the abortion debate back in
- 16:42the spot. Now. I'm not convinced that Snunu is right that fifty one
- 16:45percent of the American people agree with Sonunu. It may not take fifty one
- 16:52percent. It may only take, especially with RFK Junior taking a decent amount
- 16:56of votes, it may only take forty five or forty six percent of the
- 17:00American people to agree with Sinunu for Trump to win. I have said previously
- 17:03that I think that Trump is not currently the favorite. That doesn't mean he
- 17:07can't win. I think that Biden is a slight favorite, and I think
- 17:11that the data is drifting slowly, and maybe not that surely, but it
- 17:17is seemingly drifting in Biden's direction, and obviously with this court case, and
- 17:23with Biden having the power of incumbency, you know, forgiving millions of student
- 17:30loans against the clear edict of the Supreme Court, just one example of what
- 17:34you can do as an incumbent that gives you an advantage when it comes to
- 17:40an election. It's just clear vote buying by Joe Biden, and the media
- 17:44just stands by, doesn't say anything about it, because if Trump had defied
- 17:47the Supreme Court in the same way, we'd have a constitutional crisis. But
- 17:51Joe Biden does it, and at best, there's no condemnation at all.
- 17:56In fact, some people even cheer him for doing this, and so there
- 18:00are advantages to incumbency, and that's partially why I think Biden is the slight
- 18:06favorite at this point. Now as far as how this is all going to
- 18:10play out, I am definitely one of those that believes that there's not going
- 18:15to be a debate unless Joe Biden is forced to do debates against Donald Trump.
- 18:22And that's one of the reasons why the polling actually matters. We saw
- 18:26it in the Republican primary process. I called this from a million miles away
- 18:30that as soon as you let Trump break containment and get way ahead, he
- 18:33doesn't have to do the debates, and that was going to take away.
- 18:37Ron DeSantis is probably best, if not only, chance to really go after
- 18:41Donald Trump in a credible way head to head. Man demand mono amano never
- 18:47happened, and I told you it was never going to happen. I've also
- 18:48predicted that Joe Biden was not going to debate Donald Trump unless he was forced
- 18:56to, because he was too far behind in the polls and the perception of
- 19:02his lack of mental acuity was going to box him in where he was forced
- 19:07to do these debates because otherwise he was going to look weak when you're behind,
- 19:11and when you're eighty one years old, it looks like you're afraid to
- 19:15debate Donald Trump. Now, I don't know for sure what's going to happen
- 19:18here, because it's you know, the polling seems to be going a little
- 19:22bit in Biden's direction. If they can pull ahead in the next couple of
- 19:27months, then they might be able to get away with not doing debates because
- 19:33of the nature of Donald Trump. Part of why I'm mentioning the debates right
- 19:37now is that there was a rather interesting exchange on Bill Maher's HBO show with
- 19:45Piers Morgan. And again this keeps happening where people that I have had extremely
- 19:51strong disagreements with in the past I end up agreeing with in this strange,
- 19:55upside down world that we're living in. And Bill Maher this happens a lot
- 19:59with him, especially related to COVID issues. But Piers Morgan is another person
- 20:03that sometimes can you know, speak common sense. And here Bill Maher and
- 20:08Piers Morgan on Real Time on HBO are talking about how they both believe that
- 20:17Donald Trump would cross Joe Biden in a debate if a debate, such a
- 20:22debate between Trump and Biden ever happens. And here's what that sounded like.
- 20:26I think it's gonna be bad on Biden if he goes into the debate.
- 20:30I mean I've said that before. They're almost the same age, but for
- 20:33some reason, Trump just doesn't present as old and feeble, and he doesn't
- 20:37he looks, he kind of looks the same. Trump would destroy him in
- 20:41a live debate, destroy him, wuld destroy Biden in a live debate.
- 20:45I've got how many live press conferences as Joey Biden? Well, I mean,
- 20:51there's a reason they don't put him in front of a large gathering of
- 20:53the media. It's the same period of time taking questions. There's a reason.
- 20:57Okay, Now, I tend to agree with that analysis, although I
- 21:00am not convinced that we're ever going to see debates between Donald Trump and Joe
- 21:07Biden. If we do, I've joked that the Biden team is going to
- 21:11make sure that they're fifteen minutes long and held at eleven AM, because that's
- 21:15about as long as Joe Biden can go before he runs out of gas.
- 21:21And look, you know, Trump clearly has more energy, but that doesn't
- 21:23mean that Trump is a tremendous debater. Yes, he had some moments against
- 21:30Hillary in twenty sixteen, but every single poll, which was really strange,
- 21:37every single major poll, scientific poll indicated the Hillary won every single one of
- 21:41those debates and it didn't matter. Now, maybe it'll matter more this time
- 21:47if they happened because of the nature of Joe Biden's health and age. And
- 21:52I do think there's an issue which we talked about previously regarding the state of
- 21:56the Union, where the expectations for Biden would be so low that he may
- 22:03you know, kind of proven by what mar and Morgan said there that he
- 22:07may exceed those expectations. Having low expectations in a debate is a huge advantage.
- 22:12So that's something that the Trump team should necessarily be very concerned about.
- 22:18But when it comes to Trump and his own mental acuity, you know,
- 22:25he's been making a lot of blunders himself. And I want to play a
- 22:29clip that happened just a couple of days ago during a rally that Trump had
- 22:33in Pennsylvania. And the reason I'm going to play this is mostly just because
- 22:37I found it to be hilarious. If put forward in the right context,
- 22:42maybe you won't find it to be funny. I did. My wife did,
- 22:47who's a teacher, and the context that I presented this clip to her
- 22:52was, I want you to imagine that there's a middle school kid who is
- 22:59prepared, is allegedly prepared for a classroom presentation on US military history. That
- 23:07was the assignment, or maybe US military history when it comes to Pennsylvania.
- 23:12You're supposed to do an oral report on US military history in Pennsylvania. And
- 23:18the middle school student is Donald Trump. And here he is in Pennsylvania talking
- 23:25about the military history of Pennsylvania, my home state. In fact, he
- 23:29even references Washington Crossing, which is where I literally grew up. Washington Crossing,
- 23:34Pennsylvania, where Washington crossed the Delaware in seventeen seventy six on Christmas in
- 23:40a situation that was probably the most overblown military victory in the history of man,
- 23:45because basically they just decided to surprise some drunk Heshians who have been celebrating
- 23:52Christmas. There were very few casualties, and they kind of broke the rules
- 23:56of engagement at the time, and they were able to get a big win
- 24:00and it was a pr victory, but from a military standpoint, it was
- 24:03hardly all that spectacular. But anyway, this is Donald Trump. I want
- 24:11you to imagine again, this middle school student giving an oral presentation that he
- 24:15clearly is not totally prepared for, especially when it comes to his description of
- 24:19the Battle of Gettysburg. And here's what that sounded like. Theirs was much
- 24:25worse. It's where the army weather is brutal, winter Valley Forge, where
- 24:30General George Washington led his men on a daring mission across the Delaware, and
- 24:36where our union was saved by the immortal heroes at Gettysburg. Gettysburg. What
- 24:41an unbelievable battle. That was the Battle of Gettysburg. What an unbelievable I
- 24:48mean, it was so much and so interesting and so vicious and horrible and
- 24:52so beautiful in so many different ways. It represented such a big portion of
- 24:57the success of this country. Gettysburg, well, I go to getty Now.
- 25:03To me, that was hilarious because there's a guy who has no idea
- 25:07what he's talking about, I mean, almost classically so, providing every possible
- 25:12description of Gettysburg because he really doesn't know what he's talking about. He's just
- 25:18faking it. And of course the crowd in Pennsylvania, I'm sure was going
- 25:22right along with it, because they're part of a cult, the people that
- 25:25would show up at a Trump rally. So I'm not sure that Trump is
- 25:29really the greatest debater. It's just that he would be going up against a
- 25:33guy who, in all likelihood would be very bad given his age and lack
- 25:37of mental acuity. And Trump at least has energy and can sometimes get off
- 25:44a decent line or a good sound bite, which in a debate format is
- 25:48often all that matters. But I'm not convinced that Trump wipes the floor with
- 25:52Joe Biden based upon his history against Hillery, his history against Joe Biden at
- 25:57twenty twenty and what we saw there. But I am not convinced that we're
- 26:04even going to see debates because I think that perception is reality, and I
- 26:08think a lot of the Biden campaign is probably feeling the same way that Bill
- 26:14Maher and Piers Morgan are, and that is that they want to try to
- 26:15avoid this at all costs, and if the polls allow them to get away
- 26:19with it, that's what they will try to do. Now, more specifically
- 26:25to news media related issues, there are several that I want to talk about
- 26:27in this episode of the podcast. A few weeks ago, we talked pretty
- 26:33extensively about the story of Catherine Herriage, a really good national security reporter who
- 26:40was suddenly fired at CBS and a bunch of layoffs just after the Super Bowl
- 26:45that were related to paramount cutting costs, and I was absolutely baffled as to
- 26:52why Catherine Herriage, especially in an election year, would be fired by CBS.
- 26:56She's very good, she had done a lot of good work, specifically
- 27:00on the Hunter Biden story, and she was clearly independent. She's a former
- 27:06Fox News reporter. So you know, from CBS standards, she was about
- 27:11as good as they had, especially when it came to being fair to both
- 27:15sides and not being extremely liberally biased. But it wasn't just that she was
- 27:19fired at first, she had her source materials basically stolen by CBS. And
- 27:26it wasn't until her union sag after had to step in and CBS back down.
- 27:33Who knows what they did with the information before they provided it back to
- 27:37her, But Catherine Herriage has really been at the center of a lot of
- 27:42very significant issues. She's ebroiled in a major First Amendment lawsuit, and then
- 27:48of course the issue of her firing and the issue of what CBS did with
- 27:52her materials, at least in the short run after her firing, have all
- 27:56been made public, fought, and you know, they've been the source of
- 28:02significant media related news stories. And Catherine Herridge testified to Congress a few days
- 28:08ago. And this is one of the few benefits of Republicans, at least
- 28:14temporarily barely holding a majority in the House of Representatives. Because they have the
- 28:18majority, they basically get to determine who's going to testify in any particular committee.
- 28:25Hearing, and so a Katherine Herridge story can be amplified via congressional testimony.
- 28:33And Herrodage went to Congress, went to the House of Representatives. She
- 28:37testified about a bill that is proposed to try to help journalists deal with some
- 28:44of the issues that Herodge has had to deal with herself. But I want
- 28:48to play a little less than three minutes of her testimony where she talks about
- 28:55two basic things, the issue of sourcing and how difficult that has been for
- 29:03her in the lawsuit situation where she's standing up and having really her own life
- 29:07upended because she is defending the identity of protected sources, which is key to
- 29:15journalism, and also the treatment that she received at CBS after firing, which
- 29:22she described as a red line that had been crossed. And if it hadn't
- 29:27been for a lot of people, including Sagafra, including Fox News Channel supporting
- 29:33her former employer, who knows what would have happened in this particular situation.
- 29:40Here's Catherine Herridge testifying in the House a few days ago. I hope that
- 29:44I am the last journalist who has to spend two years in the federal courts
- 29:49fighting to protect my confidential sources. My current situation arises from a Privacy Act
- 29:56lawsuit. I am only a witness in the case. Yes, it is
- 30:00not common for these cases to reach the stage of holding a reporter in contempt,
- 30:06but when such cases happen, they have profound consequences, impacting every journalist
- 30:11in the United States. Forcing a reporter to disclose confidential sources would have a
- 30:17crippling effect on investigative journalism because without reliable assurances of confidentiality, sources will not
- 30:25come forward. The First Amendment provides protections for the press because an informed electorate
- 30:32is at the foundation of our democracy. If con forces are not protected,
- 30:37I fear investigative journalism is dead. Each day I feel the weight of that
- 30:42responsibility. As you know, I was held in contempt of court for upholding
- 30:48the basic journalistic principle of maintaining the pledge of confidentiality to my sources. I
- 30:52have complete respect for the Federal court and the judicial process, and I'm not
- 30:57here to litigate the case. It will play out before the Appellate Court in
- 31:02Washington, d C. But the fact that I have been fighting in the
- 31:06courts for two years and that I am now facing potentially crippling fines of eight
- 31:11hundred dollars a day to protect my reporting sources. Underscores the vital importance of
- 31:18the Press Act when you go through major life events as I have in recent
- 31:22weeks. Losing your job, losing your company health insurance, having your reporting
- 31:29files seized by your former employer, and being held in contempt of court gives
- 31:33you clarity. The First Amendment, the protection of confidential sources and of free
- 31:40press are my guiding principles. They are my north star. When I was
- 31:45laid off in February, an incident reinforced in my mind the importance of protecting
- 31:51confidential sources. CBS News locked me out of the building and seized hundreds of
- 31:56pages of my reporting files, in including confidential source information. Multiple sources said
- 32:04they were concerned that by working with me to expose government corruption and misconduct,
- 32:08they would be identified and exposed. I pushed back, and with the public
- 32:14support of my union, sag AFTRA, the records were returned. CBS's News's
- 32:20decision to receive my reporting records crossed a red line that I believe should never
- 32:25be crossed again by any media organization in the future. Kudos to Catherine Heritage
- 32:30for standing up for what is right here, standing up for journalism. I
- 32:36certainly hope and expect that she will be hired again by a major news outlet,
- 32:40maybe by Fox News Channel again, even though she left Fox News Channel
- 32:45to go to CBS. But the fact that Catherine Herriage is having to deal
- 32:51with so much bull crap, having her life so uphended because she's standing up
- 32:55for basic journalistic principles and now is out of a job in the middle of
- 33:00a presidential campaign is maybe the best example or the worst example, depending on
- 33:06your perspective, of the death of journalism that I can think of in the
- 33:09current news cycle. I mean, this should not be happening. If journalism
- 33:13wasn't dead, none of this would be happening to Catherine Herriage, and thankfully
- 33:17she's standing up for what is right and appears as if there's at least enough
- 33:22support for her to where some of this is going to be rectified. I
- 33:27hope again she gets another job with a major news media outlet, which one
- 33:31other than Fox News Channel, I don't know, because almost every major news
- 33:37media outlet appears to be in an existential crisis, and there's all sorts of
- 33:42examples of media malpractice all over the place. I want before I get into
- 33:47the existential crisis element of this story, I want to share a few most
- 33:52recent examples of how and why journalism is dead and how in the mainstream it
- 33:59is incredibly and totally broken. I got to mention what the Washington Post has
- 34:04been doing. It was specifically when it comes to the US Senate and the
- 34:09smear campaign that they have gone on regarding the Republican the senatorial candidate Tim Sheehey
- 34:16in Montana. Now, this is so overtly absurd and insanely biased that it's
- 34:23it's almost comical. I mean, there's no reason, no reason at all
- 34:29for the Washington Post to be at all interested in the Republican senatorial candidate in
- 34:34Montana. It's obviously not a local story, and it's not a particularly you
- 34:40know, it's going to be a very contested election. But the only reason
- 34:44why the Washington Post is interested is there's a very good chance, a very
- 34:49good chance that the Montana result will determine who controls the US Senate. Republicans
- 34:57are going to pick up a seat in West Virginia. I think it's possible
- 35:00they could pick up a seat in Maryland, but Larry Hogan is barely a
- 35:05Republican, so I'm not even sure that would count. But for Republicans to
- 35:09really have a majority in the US Senate, Tim Sheehy is probably gonna have
- 35:15to win in Montana. And so it's so clearly obvious that that's why the
- 35:21Washington Post six not one, not two, not three, not four,
- 35:24not five, not six, not seven, but eight reporters, eight reporters
- 35:31on the biography of Tim Sheehey. Eight. I mean, the Washington Post
- 35:37is cutting back all over the place, like all major news media outlets are.
- 35:44This is a lot of money, a lot of manpower. They put
- 35:47eight reporters on Tim Sheehey, the Republican senatorial candidate in Montana. Why because
- 35:55they are working on behalf of the Democratic Party. That's why. That's it.
- 36:00They are activists. This is not journalism. This is activism. And
- 36:05the best they could come up with, the best they could come up with,
- 36:07basically, was that she he a war hero, misled about a bullet
- 36:14wound he took because he thought it was been the best interest of what was
- 36:21happening, and he didn't want to leave the battlefield. He made a decision
- 36:25that it was basically made the courageous decision the high that he had been shot.
- 36:30I mean, this is unbelievable. This is the worst they could come
- 36:36up with. And thankfully, she he And this is one of the benefits
- 36:40of the Trump phenomenon. I you know, the most of it has been
- 36:45bad. But part of what has been good about the trumpeification of the Republican
- 36:50Party is that the playbook is now clear. You don't take any of this
- 36:54bullshit anymore. You fight back. And she he has been fighting bad,
- 37:00hard against this insanity from the Washington Post and the and Fox News understandably has
- 37:07taken she east side. Fox News put out an article headline Washington Post smear
- 37:13of highly decorated Iraq War veteran Senate candidate omits critical information. The Shihi campaign
- 37:21called out the outlet for citing known Democrats for their smear piece. Then the
- 37:28Washington Post report is critiqued in Fox News Channel with the following paragraph in Fox
- 37:35on Foxnews dot Com. The Washington Post is facing a backlash after the media
- 37:39outlet quoted three quote unquote experts to cast doubt on the validity of a bullet
- 37:45wound sustained in Afghanistan by a top Republican Senate candidate, but omitted the Trios
- 37:52ties to the Democratic Party. So here we had the Washington Post acting like
- 37:58Democratic activists, eight Democratic activists working under the guise of the Washington Post,
- 38:04quoting three people that they admitted have ties to the Democratic Party. This is
- 38:09a clear and obvious political attack. Why not because she he's a bad guy
- 38:16or did anything really wrong. In fact, if you really read the story
- 38:21with an open mind, it makes you think better of Shih. And I'm
- 38:24actually hopeful. I hate to be optimistic because I'm obviously by nature a pessimist.
- 38:30I actually think there's a chance this may help she because I think the
- 38:34media has hated that much. And if you're a Montana moderate and you're seeing
- 38:38the Washington Post go after from two thousand miles away or more go after a
- 38:45war hero under bullshit pretenses, I gotta believe that this is it's certainly not
- 38:52gonna help hurt she. He and it may actually help him. Now,
- 38:53there's nothing. I've not seen any major polls in recent days. I don't
- 38:58think there have been any. There's very little polling in that Mountana race,
- 39:01and sheeh right now, would be an underdog against the Democratic incumbent and senator
- 39:06tester. But I am hopeful that maybe, just maybe there'll be enough back
- 39:10last year that she he will be helped. But from a journalism standpoint,
- 39:15this is as overt as it gets. This is activism. This is not
- 39:21journalism. And this is the freaking Washington Post acting on behalf of the Democratic
- 39:27Party only because they know damn right well, this is a very key Senate
- 39:34race that could determine control of the US Senate. In fact, I think
- 39:37that there's a very good chance that the Montana Senate race is going to determine
- 39:42control of the US Senate depending on who wins the presidency. If Trump were
- 39:46to win the presidency, it probably wouldn't matter because then the vice president would
- 39:52presumably break all ties in a Republican direction. But should Biden win, I
- 39:58think Republicans probably we have to win Montana to have any real control of the
- 40:04US Senate. And the Washington Post is exposing themselves as a bunch of political
- 40:07hacks and activists on behalf of the Democratic Party. That's not the only area
- 40:13where the Washington Post has embarrassed itself. In recent days. You're probably aware
- 40:17that one of my pet peeves is the issue of global warming, climate change,
- 40:22especially when it comes to how the media covers what's happening here in California.
- 40:29As I have discussed many times, for the second straight year, we
- 40:32have had a very cold, very wet winter. The drought here is completely
- 40:38gone, and the promises of a permanent drought were a lie. We were
- 40:45told for years we were going to have a permanent drought in California, that
- 40:49that's part of the price of climate change, global warming. It turned out
- 40:52to be a complete lie. We have never been in modern history at California.
- 40:57You have never been in better shape from a water standpoint, even though
- 41:00allegedly the last few years have been the hottest on record. And we were
- 41:05told constantly that California was the epicenter of this, the smoking gun of global
- 41:10warming, that the drought was the most clear cut, real world evidence of
- 41:17climate change global warming. Well that's now gone in dramatic fashion, and so
- 41:23much so that even Death Valley. Death Valley now has a massive lake and
- 41:30all sorts of growth that we had never never seen in many, many years.
- 41:37And so how does the Washington Post tell that story. Well, they
- 41:40did a feature just the other day about how Death Valley is alive this year.
- 41:46There's a super bloom, there's flowers growing in Death Valley along with this
- 41:52massive lake that's been created by the record reigns of the last two years.
- 41:59And what's their headline? What did they put out on Twitter to describe and
- 42:04promote this article about how Death Valley is now alive? This is a This
- 42:09is a doozy. This is unbelievable yet all too predictable. The Washington Post
- 42:15wrote, heavy rains spurred by climate change earlier resurrected a prehistoric lake in Death
- 42:25Valley. Now the area is covered by colorful blooms. Let me repeat that.
- 42:32This is the Washington fricking Post. Heavy rains spurred by climate change earlier
- 42:38resurrected a prehistoric lake in Death Valley. We told you about that several weeks
- 42:43ago. Now the area is covered by colorful blooms. So let's review here.
- 42:50So when they tell us we're in a permanent drought and that ends,
- 42:59instead of it raising very very serious questions about the credibility of whether or not
- 43:06climate change is real, because that's what you told us was the basis for
- 43:10all this. This was the proof. This was the real world proof that
- 43:14climate change, global warming is real. Was the drought. Now the drought
- 43:19ends spectacularly, and you're gonna say it ended because of climate change. You
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