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From Heroin to Redemption: Making Your Own Luck | Dean King · Real Crime with Adam Shand

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  Speaker 1: Appoch Production.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Real Crime with Adam Shand. I'm your host,
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  Speaker 2: Adam Shand. In the eighties and nineties, I watched heroin
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  Speaker 2: ravage my community.
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  Speaker 3: Heroin deaths in New South Wales have risen dramatically over
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  Speaker 3: the last decade. Emergency services report hundreds of fatal overdoses statewide.
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  Speaker 2: I never tried it myself, but it must have been
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  Speaker 2: some kind of rush because it took hold of some
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  Speaker 2: people very close to me and exacted a heavy toll.
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  Speaker 4: It destroyed lives, turned good.
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  Speaker 2: People into thieves and thugs, separated them from family and
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  Speaker 2: loved ones.
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  Speaker 3: Most overdoses occur quietly at home and epidemic moving in
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  Speaker 3: plain sight.
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  Speaker 2: It killed some, and some suffer to this day from
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  Speaker 2: their encounter with this vicious, merciless substance. I've known a
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  Speaker 2: few people who were able to leave it behind and
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  Speaker 2: make a success of their lives, to recapture their youthful potential.
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  Speaker 1: After years of addiction and crime.
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  Speaker 3: One former heroin user is proving that change is possible.
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  Speaker 4: My guest today did just that.
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  Speaker 2: He stopped blaming others and himself for his addiction and
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  Speaker 2: left that life and the crime that went with it. Behind.
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  Speaker 2: There's much to inspire others in the redemption of Dean King.
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  Speaker 2: Between the ages of thirteen or fourteen and twenty seven,
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  Speaker 2: Dean didn't spend a single full year out of jail.
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  Speaker 2: He was a good crook, a staunch from ruthless man
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  Speaker 2: who thrived in the jail system, and he was destined
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  Speaker 2: to spend most of his life behind bars in service
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  Speaker 2: to his addiction, until one day he made a fateful decision.
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  Speaker 2: He's written a book about it called King Hit, which
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  Speaker 2: he hopes will be turned into a movie one day soon.
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  Speaker 2: And it's my pleasure to welcome Dean King to real crime.
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  Speaker 4: Gady Dean.
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  Speaker 2: As you got out of it, mate, very well, Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: It's a great pleasure to talk to you. I've looked
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  Speaker 2: at all your videos on YouTube and Instagram and so forth,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel like I know you. You're a very good
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  Speaker 2: storyteller because you've lived that real life and you're still
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  Speaker 2: around to tell the story.
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  Speaker 4: How did you get through all that?
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's a good question because I shouldn't have got
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  Speaker 5: through it, you know, Like destiny is a funny thing,
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  Speaker 5: and I had no comprehension that I was going to
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  Speaker 5: come out of it the way that I came out
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  Speaker 5: of it. From a rational point of view, how did
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  Speaker 5: I get through it? I had a moment when I
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  Speaker 5: hit a rehab with no intentions whatsoever to change my recidivism,
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  Speaker 5: my behavior, my outlook on life.
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  Speaker 1: I went to this rehab to escape. I had a
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  Speaker 1: plan that I was going to knock off there vent.
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  Speaker 5: I was going to go back to Sydney and I
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  Speaker 5: was going to continue down the path that I'd been
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  Speaker 5: on all my life. And this rehab was the turning
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  Speaker 5: point in my life. What started out as a place
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  Speaker 5: that I absolutely despised with a passion, I ended up
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  Speaker 5: loving everybody that was in there, and I was so
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  Speaker 5: appreciated that I was very fortunate to go to a
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  Speaker 5: place that I hated. So that was the start of
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  Speaker 5: my turnaround. As I said, Destiny, call it an accident. Yeah, mate,
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  Speaker 5: I had no intentions of change and I didn't think
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  Speaker 5: I had a problem. And if you look back over
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  Speaker 5: my life, a person at that caliber of crime and
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  Speaker 5: disregard and disrespect for society and other people and myself,
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  Speaker 5: I still pinched myself today that I'm here to tell
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  Speaker 5: this story.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad you are to be honest, because you're
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  Speaker 2: like many guys who go through this year. It's sort
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  Speaker 2: of dirty on the earth, dirty on everything. And you
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  Speaker 2: went into rehab there, and I guess in that life
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  Speaker 2: you bottle all your emotions up, and to show emotions
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  Speaker 2: in jail is weakness. And you got to a point
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  Speaker 2: in that rehab, which was I guess court ordered where
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  Speaker 2: the floodgates opened.
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  Speaker 4: Tell us about that.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I didn't know anything about emotions, So I didn't
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  Speaker 5: know anything about a deeper level of my soul other
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  Speaker 5: than survival because I was living in environments where that
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  Speaker 5: was required. And I didn't understand that because I've been
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  Speaker 5: living in those environments for so long. But I suppose
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  Speaker 5: you could compare it like a war zone. But I
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  Speaker 5: was a soldier that didn't sign up for it. I
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  Speaker 5: was born into it. My parents, the people that I
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  Speaker 5: had been associated with.
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  Speaker 1: All my life.
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  Speaker 5: It was just normal for me. It was normal for
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  Speaker 5: me to not give a fuck about what other people thought.
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  Speaker 5: It was normal for me to take anything that I
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  Speaker 5: wanted off anybody at any time. It was normal for
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  Speaker 5: me to have no regard whatsoever for anybody else, to
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  Speaker 5: be violent.
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  Speaker 1: To be aggressive.
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  Speaker 5: This survival was what I was born into. As far
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  Speaker 5: as emotions were concerned, I didn't know an emotion. The
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  Speaker 5: only thing I knew about emotions was I was either
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  Speaker 5: angry or happy. I didn't know anything in between. I
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  Speaker 5: can remember being in a group of rehab early in
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  Speaker 5: my recovery. The facilitator said to me, Dean, do you
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  Speaker 5: get angry? I said no, because I wasn't going to
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  Speaker 5: tell him how I felt. And he said, do you
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  Speaker 5: know anger is okay? I said, what do you mean?
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  Speaker 5: He said, everyone gets angry, but it's how you deal
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  Speaker 5: with it that makes the difference. And I thought, you know,
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  Speaker 5: I bashed everybody when I got angry. I attacked when
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  Speaker 5: I got angry. That was the first time that I
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  Speaker 5: heard of an emotion that I had that was put
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  Speaker 5: in a way where the end result of it could
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  Speaker 5: be handled in.
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  Speaker 1: A way where it didn't hurt.
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  Speaker 5: Other people or it was a safe way to acknowledge anger.
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  Speaker 5: That was only one emotion that I didn't know about
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  Speaker 5: that I needed desperately to learn how to manage because
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  Speaker 5: I was so unemotionally aware. I was an a literate emotionally.
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  Speaker 5: I look back on that lifestyle and that's what you
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  Speaker 5: have in these environments, like these people that go in
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  Speaker 5: and out of these prison worlds psychologically, and I know
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  Speaker 5: this because I've lived it, they're all completely scarred. And
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  Speaker 5: it's great that we glorify their behavior and it's out
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  Speaker 5: of this world and normal people don't understand the psychological.
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  Speaker 1: Side of it.
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  Speaker 5: But you're glorifying most of these people who are psychologically
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  Speaker 5: scarred in a way.
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  Speaker 1: Where they're a train wreck.
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  Speaker 5: They're drug addicts, they've got no concern for societies. A
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  Speaker 5: lot of them lack empathy and compassion, absolutely self centered, dangerous.
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  Speaker 5: You know, unemotional people live in prison, and that's why
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  Speaker 5: they've got to go to prison, because society needs to
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  Speaker 5: be safeguarded from people like this.
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  Speaker 4: And you were cold and hard, you bottled all your
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  Speaker 4: emotions up.
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  Speaker 2: But when it went Jesus Christ, it was it an
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  Speaker 2: absolute like opening the floodgates. It just didn't stop. What happened, Well,
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  Speaker 2: it was.
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  Speaker 5: A nightmare, mate, because I had built up unconsciously so
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  Speaker 5: much emotion within me that I couldn't deal with it.
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  Speaker 5: Like the only way I could deal with feelings and
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  Speaker 5: emotions was to take drugs or to blame everybody else
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  Speaker 5: for those feelings and emotions or be aggressive towards other people.
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  Speaker 5: So when I was in that rehab, they had cardinal rules.
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  Speaker 5: One of those cardinal rules was no violence or no
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  Speaker 5: threats of violence. Now I had to maintain that because
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  Speaker 5: I wanted to knock off their car.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I had a plan, and you.
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  Speaker 5: Know I was extremely manipulative, cunning, shifty, So that plan
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  Speaker 5: had to come into a reality.
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  Speaker 1: So I had to buy my time.
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  Speaker 5: But every single day the program, it was based on
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  Speaker 5: their called therapeutic communities, and one part of these programs
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  Speaker 5: is that the residents confront each other every day on
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  Speaker 5: their behaviors.
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  Speaker 1: Each residence sees.
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  Speaker 5: Within them and they call them confrontations. And this is
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  Speaker 5: only one part of the program. But these confrontations start
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  Speaker 5: from six point thirty in the morning when your eyes
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  Speaker 5: light up, and they don't stop till eleven thirty that night,
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  Speaker 5: seven days a week. So it's like everybody's attacking each
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  Speaker 5: other interactively.
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  Speaker 1: And they're all heroin addicts.
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  Speaker 5: And like drug addicts, So you're going to imagine the
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  Speaker 5: drama going on in there. And I don't like each other.
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  Speaker 5: They're unhappy with each other. You know, there's so much
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  Speaker 5: drama over petty things. They're you know, they're coping mechanisms
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  Speaker 5: are really immature, like childish.
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  Speaker 1: So I had all this emotion bottled.
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  Speaker 5: Up within me living in this environment where I'm suppressing
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  Speaker 5: it all because I'm not bashing anybody. I haven't got drugs,
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  Speaker 5: i haven't got my normal coping mechanisms that I use
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  Speaker 5: in prison or on the street. I'm like a pressure
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  Speaker 5: cooker and I'm not the lone ranger there.
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  Speaker 1: You know, all these people are like that. They're all
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  Speaker 1: like me.
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  Speaker 5: They're all immature emotionally. The coke and this is what
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  Speaker 5: the program is trying to teach us.
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  Speaker 1: We've got to handle this. We've got to manage ourselves.
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  Speaker 5: We've got to deal with stuff not by physical interactions.
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  Speaker 5: We've got to deal with stuff not by being disrespectful
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  Speaker 5: to one another, listening to one other, respecting other people. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: one day, I'm working on this work site. They had
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  Speaker 5: a guy in there who was a resident. They call
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  Speaker 5: him the Ramrod, and he used to come around and
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  Speaker 5: give notes from start. But these notes were designed to
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  Speaker 5: bring up reactions in people, and that's what the whole
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  Speaker 5: program was about, you know, like to bring up emotions
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  Speaker 5: and feelings in people, to teach people to manage it
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  Speaker 5: instead of not being able to handle yourself like normal
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  Speaker 5: people when they have struggles or tough times, or when
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  Speaker 5: they've got pressure or they're going problems. And I get
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  Speaker 5: this note from this Ramrod, and I had many people
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  Speaker 5: confront me on things like this over the three or
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  Speaker 5: four months I was there about you know, I was angry, intimidating, threatening,
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  Speaker 5: disrespectful to others. And he gave me the dail and
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  Speaker 5: he said, where do you get off hurting other people
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  Speaker 5: who are not as strong as you, you know, like
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  Speaker 5: intimidating people and threatening people.
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  Speaker 1: And I just went off my fucking head.
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  Speaker 5: I was working on this work site. We were putting
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  Speaker 5: in water pipes. There was pick handles there, there was
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  Speaker 5: shovels there, there was all these other instruments they were
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  Speaker 5: using to bolt the pipes together. And I just went
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  Speaker 5: fucking intimidating people, fucking threatening people. I'll show your fucking intimidation.
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  Speaker 5: I'll show your fucking threats. And that was it. I
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  Speaker 5: just went ballistic. I remember there was a big oak
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  Speaker 5: tree there and I looked at the oak tree and
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  Speaker 5: I just raced over to and I started head button
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  Speaker 5: it with everything that I had him.
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  Speaker 1: He just head button and head button it.
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  Speaker 5: And then I turned to the residents on the work
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  Speaker 5: side and everyone just fucking scarp it. The facilitator looking
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  Speaker 5: after us all, he just said to him, fucking run
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  Speaker 5: get out of here.
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  Speaker 6: Right.
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  Speaker 5: It was on a farm and there was cows next
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  Speaker 5: door with their heads over the fence, you know, eating grass,
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  Speaker 5: and I went for the fucking cows and.
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  Speaker 1: They shit themselves and the bulls.
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  Speaker 5: And they fucking run away, and I jumped the fence
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  Speaker 5: and tried to chase them. And the poor old farmer
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  Speaker 5: next stor he's driving around in hes toyota and I
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  Speaker 5: see him and I gave for him in the car
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  Speaker 5: and he just tries to run me over and I
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  Speaker 5: run into him to take the hit of the car
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  Speaker 5: and he spins the car just away from me, and
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  Speaker 5: I chase him and he fucks off, and I jumped
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  Speaker 5: back over the fence and I'm back into this tree,
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  Speaker 5: punching it with everything I got.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm punching it and I'm punching it.
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  Speaker 5: I'm punching it, and these words started coming out of
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  Speaker 5: my mouth, you know, like I'm sick to death from
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  Speaker 5: being controlled.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sick to death of it.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sick to death for institutions. I'm sick to death
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  Speaker 5: for places like this. I'm sick to death of job.
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  Speaker 5: And I just kept punching the tree and punching the
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  Speaker 5: tree and punching the tree, and all the birds started
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  Speaker 5: flying out in.
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  Speaker 1: Trees, you know.
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  Speaker 5: And after about ten minutes of this, like my hands
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  Speaker 5: were completely bloody. I was absolutely fucking exhausted, and I
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  Speaker 5: fell on my knees and I just started crying.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't stop. And I cried and I cried and
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  Speaker 1: I cried.
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  Speaker 5: And the director of the rehab who become a very dear,
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  Speaker 5: close friend of mine and I still love her today.
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  Speaker 5: Her name was Jenny Klassen. And you know, this was
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  Speaker 5: thirty five years ago, so I've lost, you know, connections
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  Speaker 5: with a lot of people. I still would have loved
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  Speaker 5: to have had her today as a friend.
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  Speaker 1: She just stood there next to me.
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  Speaker 5: She just stood there, solid, she didn't move, She was
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  Speaker 5: of no concern of what had took place, and she
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  Speaker 5: was just silent, you know, and then she just said,
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  Speaker 5: you know, like it's still for long, you know, because
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  Speaker 5: there was that moment bait that's about and she.
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  Speaker 1: Just said it's okay.
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  Speaker 5: Do you know it's okay? I couldn't. I was hyper ventilating.
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  Speaker 5: I had no tears coming out of my eyes. That's
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  Speaker 5: how long I was crying for. I remember laying on
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  Speaker 5: the grass and I couldn't talk. I wanted to say thanks,
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  Speaker 5: but I couldn't do it. So she stayed with me,
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  Speaker 5: and then he said, what do you want to do?
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  Speaker 1: I said, I'm.
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  Speaker 5: Tired in voice it like not in those words, but
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  Speaker 5: she got the gift of it. She said, come, I'm
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  Speaker 5: go and have a sleep, you know. So I went
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  Speaker 5: and laid down and cleaned myself up in the shower somewhat,
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  Speaker 5: and then I went to sleep and I slept for
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  Speaker 5: about a day and a half. And I remember when
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  Speaker 5: I woke up, I never felt so light on my
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  Speaker 5: feet in my life or as far back as I
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  Speaker 5: could remember.
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  Speaker 1: And I just felt free.
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  Speaker 5: I felt no pressure, I felt no resistance. I felt
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  Speaker 5: like this, I'm comfortable, you know, And I never felt that.
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  Speaker 5: And what happened being in that really vulnerable state after that,
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  Speaker 5: because I didn't know I'm feeling vulnerable, was like, fuck me, Dad,
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  Speaker 5: look at the life I lived. So I had one
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  Speaker 5: of my peers in my peer group. They had four
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  Speaker 5: levels there and I was in level two and one
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  Speaker 5: of my peers from level two was there and his
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  Speaker 5: name was Quentin. He said, how are you going? And
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  Speaker 5: he said, come here, and he gave me a hug
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  Speaker 5: and he said how are you going?
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  Speaker 1: I said, I feel good.
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  Speaker 5: And he said, welcome the vulnerability. I said, if this
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  Speaker 5: is vulnerability, I'm never going to leave it.
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  Speaker 2: Amazing Because you'd grown up on the streets of Balmain
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  Speaker 2: Piedmont in Sydney, which I don't know what it is
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  Speaker 2: about that Eric, particularly Balmain, but it produced more good
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  Speaker 2: crooks than any other part of Sydney. What was your
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  Speaker 2: life growing up that hardened you so much and led
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  Speaker 2: you in this direction.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I didn't think I was hardened because I grew
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  Speaker 5: up around crooks. I grew up around really hard men,
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  Speaker 5: tough men, men that could fight. As you know, there's
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  Speaker 5: a pub on every corner in Balmain. There's not a
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  Speaker 5: night that would go by that there wasn't a stink
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  Speaker 5: somewhere on the street after the doors were closed, or
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  Speaker 5: it are wrapped in the pub with somebody, or they'd
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  Speaker 5: be going over to the park and having a stink
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  Speaker 5: and having a knuckle, or somebody would be going somebody
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  Speaker 5: with a weapon, or an attack would come. You know,
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  Speaker 5: Like I'm not saying every single night, yes you could
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  Speaker 5: go out. Normal people. I'm sure used to go out
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  Speaker 5: those pubs in that era. But I've seen a lot
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  Speaker 5: of violence in pubs. But I also seen a lot
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  Speaker 5: of violence in the streets. I also seen a lot
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  Speaker 5: of violence in homes. So as far as being hardens concerned,
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  Speaker 5: I didn't think I was hardened.
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  Speaker 1: That's who I was.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't know anything deeper cognitively within my soul. And
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  Speaker 5: I think a lot of people are like that.
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  Speaker 1: I think we.
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  Speaker 5: All start out as children and we grow up, and
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  Speaker 5: it doesn't matter if you come from baur main or
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  Speaker 5: hard areas. We're not emotionally intelligent until we start questioning things,
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  Speaker 5: until life presents struggles for us, until we go through
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  Speaker 5: tough times, until we get challenged in say a relationships
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  Speaker 5: or a situation might arise that might take you somewhere
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  Speaker 5: where you go, fuck and what's happened here? Like, things
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  Speaker 5: become really challenging, and it's in those moments that you
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  Speaker 5: either hopefully see what you're experiencing on a deeper level,
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  Speaker 5: so you can capture it, or you keep repeating a
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  Speaker 5: lot of struggle until maybe one day you start looking
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  Speaker 5: within instead of outside of yourself all the time for
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  Speaker 5: your answers. And I think that's what happened to me.
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  Speaker 5: That experience allowed me to look in, and when I
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  Speaker 5: looked in instead of looking out as everybody else, was
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  Speaker 5: the blame to my emotional state, circumstances that happened outside
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  Speaker 5: of myself was the cause of the consequences I was living.
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  Speaker 2: As most of the listeners know, my dad was a psychiatrist,
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  Speaker 2: and I grew up with him telling me that you've
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  Speaker 2: got to learn to self soothe. You've got to be
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  Speaker 2: able to look inside yourself and regulate, and I guess
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  Speaker 2: learn to like yourself. What I've seen of your story,
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  Speaker 2: you didn't like yourself very much. You were a redhead
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  Speaker 2: Haji kid. You thought you're ugly, probably didn't mix that well.
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  Speaker 2: I think you had problems at home. You weren't given
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  Speaker 2: many good examples. I've had to build your own self
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  Speaker 2: esteem and do that self soothing one.
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  Speaker 5: But there was a lot of people back in the
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: day very similar to me. That we're in the same boat.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: I don't think, or maybe I'm just being naive now.
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: I don't think there was a lot of people, especially
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: parents back in those days and prior to that, back.
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: In the seventies, sixties, fifties, forties.
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: That had the ability to cognitively manage their offsprings in
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: giving them insight to giving them better self esteem. Regardless
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: of why I didn't get it, I think that was
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: the general overhaul of how people parented back in the day.
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: They parented in a way where children were seen and
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: not heard. Get on with it, don't be a bitch,
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: you know, Harden the fuck up?
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: What are you a girl?
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: And I'm sure you know that stuff. Well you would
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: know that stuff, Adam, you know.
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: And a lot of boys had problems with their fathers.
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: And I think your father took this slip it to
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: you pretty regularly.
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: Well, he did, but I wouldn't say regularly. He did
• 23:12
  Speaker 5: have a crack on me a few times. But he
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: was very intimidating. My mother used to say his bark
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: is worse than his bite, but that bark had a
• 23:28
  Speaker 5: very big impact on me as a child. He's alcoholism,
• 23:33
  Speaker 5: he's ranting, he's raving. He was a big man, six'
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: six and the dialogue that used to come out of
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: his mouth like every word was your fucking, Dog you
• 23:44
  Speaker 5: fucking can't fuck these fucking Mother you, know every word
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: was F c and you, know monkey, see monkey. Do
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: but in saying, That i've got to pull back on
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: that a little bit because my brother he didn't turn
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: out with that filthy mouth LIKE i.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Had but he did turn out with addiction.
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: Problems and if you look at my whole, family indirectly
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: the consequences of being parented under my, parents there was
• 24:19
  Speaker 5: a lot of addictions and a lot of, trauma and
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: every one of the siblings ended up in struggle. Street you,
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: KNOW i mean little, sister the one older than, me
• 24:32
  Speaker 5: she was pregnant at thirteen or. Fourteen the sister above,
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: that she had terrible self image, problems, overeating ended up
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: taking massive amounts of, pills housing, estates poor social economic
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: situations where she couldn't develop herself in a way where
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: she found stability and long term work or gold or
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: have orientation of.
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Doing things in life and having.
• 25:06
  Speaker 5: Purpose and she struggled a lot and got into very
• 25:12
  Speaker 5: abusive relationships with other. Alcoholics and you look at my,
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: brother he became a heroin. Addict but my brother was
• 25:19
  Speaker 5: probably the only one out of the three of us
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: that showed some kind of hope because he used to.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Work he used to go away from the.
• 25:32
  Speaker 5: Family he used to go and work down At Charlotte's,
• 25:35
  Speaker 5: past down at The. Snow he used to work there
• 25:39
  Speaker 5: in the, winter and then he'd be up on the
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: coast in the, summer you, know up AT. Nusa and
• 25:44
  Speaker 5: that theme was pretty common back then for you, know
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: the young. Fellas you, know as you Know, adam you'd
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: know about. That they used to do a lot of traveling,
• 25:52
  Speaker 5: around the young guys and getting jobs in the. Restaurants
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: but he was pretty much the only one that showed
• 26:00
  Speaker 5: some kind of normality out of that. Family too make
• 26:05
  Speaker 5: something of himself and makes something better than what he.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: Got brought up.
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: With but he still had a heroin, addiction you, know
• 26:14
  Speaker 5: so psychologically he was still struggling a.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: Lot.
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: Right, yeah my dad decided That i'd gone to a
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: private school In sydney at all the, advantages AND i
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: was a smart ass, kid.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Not humble at. All ilways had no.
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: Direction so he, said, Right you're going off to The
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: Northern terrestiary to work in the mine and go you,
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: know AND i SUDDENLY i was AMONGST i was amongst
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: men for the first, time hard, men men who were
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: there under aliases or running away from the, law or
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: all kinds of. Situations and it was the you, know
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: it was a very hard, thing AND i cursed my
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: dad WHEN i was. There BUT i looked back at
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: those things AND i thought it was good for. Me
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: but you ended up on the streets in your home
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: area there and you fell to. Crime what sort of
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: what was what was your first forays into?
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: Crime, well BECAUSE i was brought up around, crime it
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: was pretty normal for me to go down that, road you,
• 27:12
  Speaker 5: know knocking off, kids push, bikes stealing out of, shops stealing,
• 27:18
  Speaker 5: cars stealing.
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: Motorbikes these THINGS i enjoyed to.
• 27:24
  Speaker 5: Do LIKE i enjoyed driving, CARS i enjoyed.
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: MOTORBIKES i enjoyed.
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: Money AND i had no comprehension of how other people
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: felt about. THAT i was brought up to have no
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: empathy for other people or no compassion. Whatsoever so as
• 27:45
  Speaker 5: far as crime is, CONCERNED i just did anything THAT
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: i wanted and took anything THAT i. Wanted and that's
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: HOW i survived to.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Take us through year rapt because you've been in jails
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: in three, States, Bogo raid In, QUEENSLAND i Think Long
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: bay or Silver water In, sydney and Then pintridge and In.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: Melbourne what was your progression through the ranks of.
• 28:08
  Speaker 5: Crime, well BECAUSE i had done so much of, it
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: my progression, was, well If i'm gonna live like, THIS
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: i might as well attempt to be the. Best AND
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: i used to look at crims in there that had,
• 28:27
  Speaker 5: respect you, know like crims that were respected in the
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: system where and they were good, fighters they were, violent
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: they were, aggressive people looked up to. Them they got
• 28:41
  Speaker 5: pretty much anything they want because that kind of respect
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: worked in.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Prison SO i aspired to.
• 28:49
  Speaker 5: That my progression through the prison world was to have,
• 28:53
  Speaker 5: respect you, know to show people THAT i had dash
• 28:59
  Speaker 5: That i'll fight, You i'll go, YA i don't care
• 29:03
  Speaker 5: who you, are what crime you've, DONE i have no
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: fear of.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: You and, yeah that.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: HAPPENED i learned in rehab THAT i was just pushing
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: normal people away from, me you, know because of that
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: person i'd. Become that was my progression in the prison
• 29:23
  Speaker 5: world as far as, progression to be. Somebody BUT i
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: learned also that that be under somebody like that that
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: only worked in the prison. World that didn't work in.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: Society normal people were very threatened by. It and they
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: may appear to engage and they may appear to have
• 29:52
  Speaker 5: relationships with people like, that but they can't get close
• 29:58
  Speaker 5: to a person like, That nor can a person who
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: can't distinguish a prison lifestyle or a prison attitude or
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: A recipi as offender who spent a long time in.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Prison i'm not saying, everybody But i'd say a big
• 30:14
  Speaker 5: majority of them can't see why they struggle in relationships
• 30:19
  Speaker 5: outside because of.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: That that's, right AND i think a lot of, prisoners
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: particularly those who've been into, heroin they used the drug
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: as a way of finding consolation.
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: And comfort and a bit of joy Even.
• 30:34
  Speaker 5: Well it's interesting because on that, POINT i didn't think
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: THAT i used heroin because of. THAT i THOUGHT i
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: took drugs BECAUSE i liked. THEM i was completely. WRONG
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: i took drugs for the reason you just mentioned full.
• 30:54
  Speaker 5: STYLE i was so broken, emotionally my nervous system was
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: so fucked from years and years and years and years
• 31:05
  Speaker 5: and years of. Trauma that relieved, me that gave me.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: Peace WHEN i stuck a needle in my arm AND
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: i felt heroin opium going through my. System it was, like,
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: oh you hear heroin addicts talk that it's better than an,
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: orgasm that, is it's the best, thing and it. Is
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: but it's only like that because of the pain the
• 31:34
  Speaker 5: people that are. In if those people weren't in so much,
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: pain that relief wouldn't work on. Them SO i realized
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: because of, THAT i had a lot of work to
• 31:46
  Speaker 5: do on this, pain AND i had to explore it
• 31:50
  Speaker 5: because IF i didn't start making the effort to look at,
• 31:54
  Speaker 5: myself to go and see, counselors to go and see
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: psychologists to talk about my problems and continue on after,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: REHAB i don't HALF i would have got as.
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Far AS i did in, life you.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Know, Yeah and you're an absolute miracle in my, opinion,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: because AS i said at the, BEGINNING i knew a
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: lot of people who had got off, heroin but it
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: left scars on, them it left them depend upon. Others
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: very few of them managed to make a. Success and,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: you against the, odds once you finish, rehab you actually
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: have made a. Life for you say you made a.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Fortune you, KNOW i think you're the. Richest ex Junkie
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: i've ever heard.
• 32:38
  Speaker 4: Of how did you do?
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: That i'll take that as a. Wrap, WELL i did
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: it through. DISCIPLINE i did it through work and. HARD
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: i did it through a. PLAN i did it through
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: having a vision of completing one task at a, time
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: and it. WORKED i KNEW i had to get a,
• 33:02
  Speaker 5: job AND i KNEW i had to get a credit.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Rate AND i knew THAT i had to save.
• 33:12
  Speaker 5: Money AND i knew WHEN i got money THAT i
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: had to use that money as soon AS i got
• 33:21
  Speaker 5: that cash or equity and buy my first home and
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: use the money if there was a shortfam THAT i
• 33:29
  Speaker 5: had Because i'm working to pay interest. Repayments BECAUSE i
• 33:33
  Speaker 5: knew through hanging with, PEOPLE i put myself around highly
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: intelligent people who were very highly adverse in the property
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: industry and the finance. INDUSTRY i intentionally done, it AND
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: i would suck them and ask them questions about how
• 33:54
  Speaker 5: does property, work what's good, property what's bad? Property what
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: do you look for making decisions.
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: To pick right? Property where are? They what are?
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: Indicators and they would tell me about, markets and they
• 34:10
  Speaker 5: would tell me about the worst properties in the best,
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: streets and they would tell me about, position, position, position
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: and they would tell me about, areas and they would
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: tell me about, equity and they'd tell me about how
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: they used equity and how they capitalized on. It and
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: So i've learned and all the, time you, Know i'm.
• 34:31
  Speaker 5: Learning and that's WHAT i did my life after, rehab
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: after learning about myself so much in, rehab WHO i
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: was and How i'd become the Person i'd, become and
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: HOW i got out of it through exactly the same
• 34:48
  Speaker 5: principle That i'm talking to, about going deep within my
• 34:51
  Speaker 5: soul and asking questions about where does this anger come,
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: From where does this hating myself come? From where does
• 35:00
  Speaker 5: this low self esteem come? FROM i could go on and,
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: on BECAUSE i had a gold miner stuff in there
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: to look, at you, know about so called shortcomings or
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: things THAT i could improve personally about.
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: Myself and you applied the same sort of tenacity in
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: drive that you'd applied to crime and taking drugs to
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: making a. Fortune AND i believe you went into telemarketing as.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: Well and you've you've been into, stocks and you've been
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: into all kinds of, things and you've not fallen foul
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: of the law ever.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Since, Well i've had my moments with the a triple C.
• 35:42
  Speaker 4: Oh, okay what? Happened oh, well.
• 35:46
  Speaker 5: They come at me in two thousand and five for
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: allegedly under The Trade practice at.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: Misleading and deceptive behavior and.
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: Telemarketing BUT i was doing everything. Legally by, LAW i
• 36:03
  Speaker 5: was allowed to do WHAT i was. Doing i've realized
• 36:06
  Speaker 5: THAT i found an angle in trading and by law
• 36:11
  Speaker 5: there was nothing to say THAT i couldn't do. It
• 36:14
  Speaker 5: and they actually had to change the law and State
• 36:16
  Speaker 5: parliament In New South wales to close the. Loophole they
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: had a crack at me in The Federal, COURT i,
• 36:24
  Speaker 5: See and what were your marketing?
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: Advertising that would.
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Have been section fifty two of The Trade Practices. Act
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: what did they? Say you were.
• 36:32
  Speaker 5: Doing, well misleading and deceiving people in my approach selling advertising.
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: Tool so you got through that, break which is?
• 36:39
  Speaker 5: Good and when do you SAY i got through that?
• 36:42
  Speaker 5: Break it cost me about two million.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Dollars, Okay, well you're in a different kind of blood
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: sport at that end of, town and it does cost
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: a lot of, money but the stakes are much. Higher,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: yeah but these days you're pretty much. Untouchable you've a master.
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: Fortune you're living In, CAMBODIA i believe or moving Around.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: ASIA i just travel around the.
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: World, yeah and you found, Love, dean because one of
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: the things that crooks really struggle with is forming. Relationships
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: they look at love, suspiciously they look at people around them,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: suspiciously and it's often very difficult for them to maintain
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: long term relationships that aren't related to crime or.
• 37:20
  Speaker 4: Drugs have you gone with?
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: That, yeah train, wreck you're, Right i'm.
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: Hopeless i'm still so emotionally scarred from that, experience SO
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: i don't Think i'll ever get over. It i'm sixty one,
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: Now i'm still very untrustworthy AND i struggle to get
• 37:39
  Speaker 5: intimate without getting petrified, still even Though i've done so much.
• 37:45
  Speaker 5: Change but you're one hundred percent right at. Them i'm
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: a TRAIN i can't do, it And i've never met
• 37:52
  Speaker 5: anybody that could ever help me with.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: That, well you can't be good at, Everything. Dean you're
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: good at, crime you're good at taking, drugs you're good
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: at making. Money that's.
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: Right, yeah that's so.
• 38:06
  Speaker 5: True, yeah and you know what if that's my achilles, heill,
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: Mate i'm very happy to have, that you, know to
• 38:14
  Speaker 5: tell you the, Truth, Like, YEAH i.
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: Think one of the hardest Things i've discovered talking to
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: people who've been in this, space is finding something they
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: can call joy after, drugs after, crime the adrenaline of,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: crime the highs of. Drugs do you sometimes hark back
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: to those days and Think i'm unable to find that.
• 38:38
  Speaker 5: Joy i've got that in business and making, Money SO
• 38:43
  Speaker 5: i really just substituted for the business. World you, know
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: like when you're making millions and millions of dollars and
• 38:52
  Speaker 5: you have the freedom to.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Buy anything you, want travel anywhere.
• 38:57
  Speaker 5: In the, world business first, class have any, choice you
• 39:03
  Speaker 5: want to live.
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: Anywhere there's a lot of reward in.
• 39:07
  Speaker 5: That but to actually do, it that's another. Story and
• 39:14
  Speaker 5: it takes a lot of. Tenacity it takes a lot
• 39:18
  Speaker 5: of on edge, stuff a lot of, uncertainty a lot of,
• 39:23
  Speaker 5: doubt a lot.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: Of AM i going to pull this? Off How i'm
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: going to lose?
• 39:29
  Speaker 5: This so as far as that excitement is, CONCERNED i
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: get that still all the time in the choices and
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: the decisions and the ACTIONS i do making, money AND
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: i love.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: IT i love being the PERSON i.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: Am as far as business and playing in, IT i
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: look at it as a. Game i've realized that Because
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: i'm so good with psychology and emotional. UNDERSTANDING i know,
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: fear AND i know, sabotage AND i know worry and,
• 40:05
  Speaker 5: certainty AND i know risk, taking AND i know, courage
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: AND i know, determination AND i know how to be
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: out on a limb and sit there for a long
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: time where other people just freak out and they can't
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: handle the uncertainty of it or the, doubt AND i
• 40:24
  Speaker 5: just thrive on. It and there's great rewards in that,
• 40:27
  Speaker 5: shit you, know great rewards if you're business, minded or
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: if you've got the business acumen to back that, up
• 40:37
  Speaker 5: and over a long period of time of getting a
• 40:39
  Speaker 5: lot of things, wrong if you're motivated to become successful
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: in any kind of business livelihood or to be successful
• 40:53
  Speaker 5: in the business sextor or the business. World that's all in.
• 40:56
  Speaker 5: There so that's WHERE i get my.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Rocks, off you, know. Good and there's a couple other things.
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: You want to.
• 41:05
  Speaker 4: Elaborate.
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: WELL i like to be close to my loved ones
• 41:11
  Speaker 5: and have fun with. THEM i get off with me
• 41:15
  Speaker 5: mates and doing things and having a good time and
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: going out for dinners and having laughs and go on
• 41:23
  Speaker 5: places with. Them AND i haven't relationships with. PEOPLE i
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: find that highly. STIMULATING i like.
• 41:32
  Speaker 4: People, yeah you've learned to do.
• 41:35
  Speaker 2: THAT i think one thing in the criminal world and
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: also in the drug world as, well people do learn
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: to deal with decisions and dilemmas because their world is
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: full of. Them and you make the wrong, decision you're
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: going to pay for. It and often these choices are not.
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: Clear it's the rock and hard placed. Choices And i'm
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: sure that's helped you in business to turn that ruthlessness
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: where you've been in jail and it's.
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: Get someone before they get.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: You it's take decisions fearlessly when you don't know all
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: the information or the. Outcomes do you think that was
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: in your personality all? Along and you wonder what you
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: might have achieved had you not spent decade and a
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: half as a?
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: Crook, well WHAT i have achieved irrespectively is still. Phenomenal
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: that was just a training ground for. It you, Know
• 42:25
  Speaker 5: i've been at this now SINCE i was twenty. Eight
• 42:29
  Speaker 5: i've achieved remarkable, Things Like i've had a life many
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: people dream of. Having i've had a LIFE i still
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: pinch myself, About like there's not a day that goes
• 42:45
  Speaker 5: by THAT i still look around me and go have.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: A fucking look at. You look where you've, been like
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: you're In.
• 42:55
  Speaker 5: Cambodia AND i think it's gratitude To, adam you, know and.
• 43:01
  Speaker 5: APPRECIATION i remember WHEN i changed in eighty nine AND
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: i had to go back to court for a hundred
• 43:10
  Speaker 5: charges after six months out of. REHAB i went back
• 43:14
  Speaker 5: to court for those charges AND i fronted a judge
• 43:19
  Speaker 5: Called judge McGuire in the District court In. Brisbane and
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  Speaker 5: before we went into, COURT i went to see my
• 43:27
  Speaker 5: barrister and we sat there for an hour and a
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: half and.
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  Speaker 1: He, said tell me why you shouldn't go back into.
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: Jail AND i went over the whole, story what happened to, me,
• 43:39
  Speaker 5: rehab blah blah, blah my native and he just.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: Sat there and he. Listened that's all he. Did he just.
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  Speaker 5: Listened and after an hour and a half he, said
• 43:48
  Speaker 5: do you know how many People dean have sat in
• 43:52
  Speaker 5: that chair and told me the reason why they shouldn't
• 43:58
  Speaker 5: go back to. JAIL i, said you would have had.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: Hundreds he, said, YEAH i. Have BUT i believe. You
• 44:07
  Speaker 5: AND i, SAID i don't care if you believe me or.
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: Not it's. Truth i'm done with. IT i see what an.
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: Asshole i've BEEN i see everything, NOW i See i've created.
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: It all these actions have been a direct result of
• 44:25
  Speaker 5: the consequences of my. LIFE i don't care, NOW i,
• 44:28
  Speaker 5: said even if he sends me back to, Jail i'm
• 44:31
  Speaker 5: going to come through And i'll get out And i'll
• 44:33
  Speaker 5: go back to that reap And i'll finish it.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: And Then i'll get out And i'll move on and
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: we get into.
• 44:41
  Speaker 5: Court fuck me. Dead you should have seen the way
• 44:46
  Speaker 5: this blake represented. ME i inside had nothing on this bloke.
• 44:50
  Speaker 5: Seriously and the judge pulled him up halfway through the
• 44:55
  Speaker 5: summon up AND i forget That barris's, name and he,
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: said you're not asking for a non custodial sentence for this.
• 45:03
  Speaker 5: Man and he, SAID i am your honor because it
• 45:07
  Speaker 5: will not pay society one bit if you send him
• 45:11
  Speaker 5: back into. Prison And maguire turned around and Said i've heard.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Enough sit down to, him and then he, said stand,
• 45:22
  Speaker 5: up mister, king AND i stood, up and he, said
• 45:27
  Speaker 5: if your change is as true and passionate as that
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: man has just delivered to, me he, said you will
• 45:37
  Speaker 5: know now that there is consequences for one's, actions and
• 45:43
  Speaker 5: you will pay the consequences for your past, actions and
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: you will then come back out of prism and continue
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: on with this accountability and living as a decent member
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: in our.
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: Society he, Said the.
• 46:00
  Speaker 5: Question, arises how long DO i send you back? For
• 46:05
  Speaker 5: so the prosecution was asking for eight. Years he gave
• 46:09
  Speaker 5: me three years with a twelve month. Recommendation based on,
• 46:14
  Speaker 5: THAT i had to go back in and THEN i
• 46:19
  Speaker 5: had to go back around all those blokes that knew
• 46:21
  Speaker 5: me HOW i was in the, past and THEN i came,
• 46:25
  Speaker 5: out went back to that fucking rehab on my own,
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: accord finished the, program and then.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Continued on from.
• 46:33
  Speaker 5: There SO i know about, ADVERSITY i know about, CHALLENGES
• 46:39
  Speaker 5: i know about.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: Setbacks it's just all part.
• 46:44
  Speaker 5: Of taking that responsibility and owning your part as a
• 46:51
  Speaker 5: human being in society because we've all got to live
• 46:54
  Speaker 5: together out, here you.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Know so, YEAH i still pinched, myself and.
• 46:59
  Speaker 5: WHEN i got out of, JAIL i had no money.
• 47:03
  Speaker 5: MADE i had, NOTHING i think WHEN i left freehab
• 47:07
  Speaker 5: and got out after that prison. Sentence but knowing that
• 47:13
  Speaker 5: from THERE i was never going to look through bars
• 47:16
  Speaker 5: again because of my cognitive state and how MUCH i,
• 47:21
  Speaker 5: changed that was enough of Me. Adam everything after that's
• 47:26
  Speaker 5: been a. Bonus so even thirty five years down the,
• 47:30
  Speaker 5: Track i'm still.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: Going i'm not in.
• 47:33
  Speaker 5: Jail i'm still grateful for. That so that's a beautiful
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: thing to.
• 47:41
  Speaker 4: Have it.
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: Is and tell, me if you have one piece of
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: advice for a young, person even an older person who's
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: on that merry go round of custody and crime and,
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: drugs what's that piece of advice you'd give, Them.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Have a good honest look at. Yourself that's.
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: IT i think it sums it.
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: Up AND i think that story you told at the
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: outset set of all the, anger all the, frustration all
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: the self loathing that was inside you that you had
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: walled yourself, into when you beat that tree and tried
• 48:16
  Speaker 2: to beat the cow and chase the farmer and he's
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: truck the whole, thing that was that moment of.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Clarity, yeah it. Was And i'm in the.
• 48:26
  Speaker 5: Process i've been working on it now for six years
• 48:29
  Speaker 5: with another company to get it into a, movie you.
• 48:32
  Speaker 5: Know so we're just about to do a development application
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: to Screen coeensland to get development. Funding to start the development.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: Funding i've got a very reputable company in my. Corner
• 48:49
  Speaker 5: i'm a very close friend with the Director.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Surge we're going to make this. HAPPEN i have.
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: No doubt that you, Will den because that's the kind
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: of person that you've. Become, listen we could go on
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: for hours with, this BUT i think we've covered everything
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: THAT i think is relevant to your, story AND i
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: really do thank you for sharing it with us. Today
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: AND i think of all the loss and heartache and
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: misery That i've known, people not just in my crime writing,
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: career but in my youth In, sydney where people were
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: hooked by heroin and never let them. Go you're one
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: of the lucky. Ones do you feel lucky? STILL i Am.
• 49:24
  Speaker 5: Adam that's all it, is, Brother that's all it, is.
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: MATE i am. Lucky i've never known anybody that has
• 49:34
  Speaker 5: had so much.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Luck it's. TRUE i am just very. Fortunate.
• 49:39
  Speaker 4: Mate good on.
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: You, well, Mate i'll watch this space with interest to
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: see how your film. Goes and i'd certainly advise everyone
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: to have a read Of dean's, Book King. Hit i'll
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: put the details where you can download that book in
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: the show. Notes But Dean, thing thank you so much
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: for your time today On Real.
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: Crime Adam, sham thank.
• 49:58
  Speaker 5: You, adam and take care. Mate thanks very much for
• 50:01
  Speaker 5: having me. BROTHER i really appreciate.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: It absolute. Pleasure That's Dean king. There it is an amazing.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Story AND i think anyone out there who's struggling with,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: addictions struggling with, crimes, also anybody who feels they can't
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: Change dean is. Lucky but you also make your own
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: luck when you dedicate yourself to looking in that, mirror
• 50:24
  Speaker 2: having those hard conversations and getting on with. It oh,
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: BOY i Think dean's story is all about that and more.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: So have a look at that.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: Book if anybody's got a story to share with, me
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: please get in. Touch you can send me an email
• 50:38
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• 50:41
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  Speaker 4: Hundred triple, three triple.
• 50:46
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• 50:48
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• 50:53
  Speaker 2: i'm very happy to hear from all of. You it's
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: been an absolute pleasure talking With dean. Today this has been
• 50:58
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