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Mega Edition: What Did Bryan Kohberger Tell The Police After They Arrested Him? (10/17/26) · Beyond The Horizon

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program.
• 0:05
  Speaker 2: According to sources, Brian Koberger spoke about the murdered Idaho
• 0:10
  Speaker 2: students on his way to being extradited back to Idaho. Now,
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  Speaker 2: he didn't say anything of consequence. He didn't say that
• 0:18
  Speaker 2: he was guilty or that he had anything to do
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  Speaker 2: with it whatsoever. What he did say, however, was that
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  Speaker 2: it was really sad what happened to them. And while
• 0:28
  Speaker 2: that comment seems innocent enough right now, I have a
• 0:32
  Speaker 2: feeling that later on, when all is said and done,
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  Speaker 2: we're going to look back on that and it's going
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  Speaker 2: to be one of those chilling comments made by someone
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  Speaker 2: who ends up getting convicted for murdering people. How many
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: times have you heard these people, these murderers, act like
• 0:47
  Speaker 2: they weren't the one who did it? Oh, I feel
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  Speaker 2: bad for the family. I'm sorry that this happened. Meanwhile,
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: you're the person who committed the murders. Now, obviously, we
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  Speaker 2: haven't gotten to that point with Brian Koberger yet. He
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: hasn't had his trial, but it's not looking good for him.
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  Speaker 2: There's no other suspects. There's nobody else that could be
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  Speaker 2: responsible for this. No people of interest. Only Brian Koberger.
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  Speaker 2: And when you start looking at everything that's been brought
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  Speaker 2: before us already, it's very difficult for me to look
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  Speaker 2: at this and say, oh, Brian Koberger is getting a
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  Speaker 2: bad deal here. because it certainly seems to be the opposite.
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  Speaker 2: With everything we know, all of the digital evidence, all
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  Speaker 2: of the reports we have seen in the affidavit, and
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  Speaker 2: the fact that Kohlberger had the white Elantra, his DNA
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  Speaker 2: matched the knife sheaths, I don't know how anyone could
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  Speaker 2: sit here and say, oh, well, you know, Kohlberger's getting
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  Speaker 2: a bad shake here. He's not being treated fairly. Because
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  Speaker 2: the evidence is certainly telling us something completely different. And
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  Speaker 2: that evidence is telling us that Brian Koberger looks to
• 1:58
  Speaker 2: be the man responsible for these murders. Today's article is
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  Speaker 2: from People. Headline, Idaho murder suspects spoke about slain students
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  Speaker 2: during extradition. It's really sad what happened to them. This
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  Speaker 2: article was authored by Steve Helling. Brian Koberger has largely
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  Speaker 2: remained silent after he was charged with killing four University
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  Speaker 2: of Idaho students, but he made small talk with officers
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  Speaker 2: while he was being extradited from his home in Pennsylvania
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  Speaker 2: and then booked into the Latah County Jail. Now, your
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  Speaker 2: best idea if you're ever in trouble with the police,
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  Speaker 2: no matter where you are, is to keep your mouth shut.
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  Speaker 2: The last thing you want to do is talk to
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  Speaker 2: the police without a lawyer present. And if I know that,
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  Speaker 2: just some dumbass sitting here in his studio in Las Vegas,
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  Speaker 2: you better believe that a criminology student would know that
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  Speaker 2: or you would hope so anyway. But then I say
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  Speaker 2: to myself, I look at all of his other behavior
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  Speaker 2: and it doesn't jive with somebody who's hip to crimes
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  Speaker 2: and how to get away with those crimes. So why
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  Speaker 2: would I think that he's smart in other parts of
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  Speaker 2: his life? Why would I think that he's going to
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  Speaker 2: keep his mouth shut? Even though he knows he should,
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  Speaker 2: maybe he can't help himself. Certainly seems like the type
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  Speaker 2: to me, and if I was the jail officials, I'd
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  Speaker 2: put a prison snitch in the cell with him and
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  Speaker 2: see what comes of it. He seemed really nervous. A
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  Speaker 2: police source who was involved in the process tells people
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  Speaker 2: he was narrating to himself everything that was happening. At
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  Speaker 2: one point, he was saying something to himself like, I'm fine,
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  Speaker 2: this is okay. Like he was reassuring himself, That this
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  Speaker 2: whole thing wasn't awful. Imagine sitting there. Being accused of
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  Speaker 2: four homicides. And talking to yourself. And saying oh this
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  Speaker 2: is going to be okay. Things are going to be fine.
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  Speaker 2: I mean for real. Breaking news buddy. Things aren't going
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  Speaker 2: to be fine. Your DNA was found on that knife sheath.
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  Speaker 2: You need to explain that. And to tell you the truth,
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  Speaker 2: I have no idea how they're going to do that.
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  Speaker 2: How are you going to explain that this dude had
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  Speaker 2: a knife sheath with his DNA on it and that
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  Speaker 2: knife sheath was found next to two murdered girls? Good
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  Speaker 2: luck explaining that to a jury and getting them to
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  Speaker 2: believe you. Koberger was read his Miranda rights during his
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  Speaker 2: arrest and cannot be questioned about the case without an
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  Speaker 2: attorney present. He didn't speak directly to officers about the case.
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  Speaker 2: But the police source says that he did make an
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  Speaker 2: offhand comment about it. He did say it's really sad
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  Speaker 2: what happened to them, but he didn't say anything more.
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  Speaker 2: The source says he's smarter than that. I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: would hope, right? If you're his defense attorney anyway, you
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  Speaker 2: would hope that he's going to clam up, shut his
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  Speaker 2: mouth and not say a word to anybody. But some
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  Speaker 2: of these criminals can't help themselves and they have to
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  Speaker 2: self snitch. Koberger, 28, was arrested on December 30th in
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  Speaker 2: connection with the November murders of Ethan Chapin, Zanna Kernodle,
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  Speaker 2: Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Gonsalves. All four victims had been
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  Speaker 2: stabbed with a fixed blade knife. Koberger has been charged
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  Speaker 2: with four counts of murder and one count of felony burglary.
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  Speaker 2: It's unclear whether or how Koberger knew the victims. Well,
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  Speaker 2: he knew them somehow. Maybe not personally, but at the
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  Speaker 2: very least, he knew them in passing. How else would
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  Speaker 2: he target them? How else would they end up on
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  Speaker 2: his radar? Now the question becomes, where did he meet
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  Speaker 2: them and how did he come across them in the
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  Speaker 2: first place?
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  Speaker 1: Was it social media? Was it the restaurant? Was it
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  Speaker 1: a bar?
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  Speaker 2: Were they up in Pullman at some point hanging out
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  Speaker 2: with friends and he saw them there?
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  Speaker 1: There's just a lot that we don't know yet.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't know if we're going to find all
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  Speaker 2: of this stuff out until trial, especially now with this
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  Speaker 2: gag order. So whatever we do find out is going
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  Speaker 2: to be pieced together from leaks and whatever sources that
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  Speaker 2: these journalists can come up with. What I think is
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  Speaker 2: going to be interesting is to get more background and
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  Speaker 2: more context on how they might have met each other.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously that's a million dollar question here, but it's
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  Speaker 2: very important in my opinion to establish that not so
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  Speaker 2: much for the conviction, because what really matters is that
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  Speaker 2: the crime happened and that they can pin that crime
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  Speaker 2: on Brian Koberger using all of the evidence that we
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  Speaker 2: have discussed already. But what was the situation? How did
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  Speaker 2: you meet them? How did you know them? How did
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  Speaker 2: they become people who ended up on your radar? At
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  Speaker 2: the time of the killings, he was a PhD student
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  Speaker 2: at Washington State University in the Department of Criminal Justice
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  Speaker 2: and Criminology. His apartment in Pullman, Washington, is just 10
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  Speaker 2: miles away from the scene of the murders. Authorities have
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  Speaker 2: not yet disclosed a motive. And it's crazy to me
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  Speaker 2: every time we hear a story like this and one
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  Speaker 2: of these murderers thinks they're going to get away with
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  Speaker 2: these kinds of killings so.
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  Speaker 1: Close to their home.
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  Speaker 2: Have you never heard the saying, don't shit where you eat?
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  Speaker 1: These guys are insane that do this. Eventually, you're going
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  Speaker 1: to be tracked down.
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  Speaker 2: Eventually, you're going to be tied to these murders if
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  Speaker 2: the investigators are worth their weight in salt.
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  Speaker 1: And in Moscow, they obviously were.
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  Speaker 2: Brian Koberger thought that he was dealing with a rural
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  Speaker 2: police department, thought that he was going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to pull one over on these guys. But they weren't
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  Speaker 2: fooled so quickly, were they? And they knew they were
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  Speaker 2: overmatched right away. So they went out of the box.
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  Speaker 2: They brought in other help, outside help, and that led
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  Speaker 2: them directly to Brian Koberger. Now, he was under the impression,
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  Speaker 2: my guess is, that the FBI wasn't going to get
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  Speaker 2: involved here. Usually the FBI, they're not getting involved in
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  Speaker 2: something like this. But when you start talking about crossing
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  Speaker 2: state lines and you're talking about needing help with the
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  Speaker 2: evidence collection, things get to snowballing. So Brian Koberger made
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  Speaker 2: a very crucial mistake here as far as being a criminal.
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  Speaker 2: And that is having such a high body count. Whenever
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  Speaker 2: you kill this many people, you better believe people are
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  Speaker 2: going to take notice. And the people who are going
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  Speaker 2: to take notice are the kind of people that are
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  Speaker 2: going to catch your ass. Koberger is now in the
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  Speaker 2: Latah County Jail, which is adjacent to the courthouse. It's
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  Speaker 2: less than two miles away from where the murders happened.
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  Speaker 2: Although the jail can house up to 37 inmates, Koberger
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  Speaker 2: is being kept away from everyone else for his own safety.
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  Speaker 1: Probably a good idea.
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  Speaker 2: For those of you who are not aware, the Bureau
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  Speaker 2: of Prisons in general is an absolute dumpster fire that
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  Speaker 2: needs to be reformed. And there's way too many instances
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  Speaker 2: of inmates getting hurt either by their own hands or
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  Speaker 2: by other inmates while they're locked up. And when you're
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  Speaker 2: dealing with somebody like Brian Koberger, who is getting all
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  Speaker 2: of this national and international attention. The other convicts, well,
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  Speaker 2: they take notice of that, and they might be looking
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  Speaker 2: to score some points by busting Koberger's ass.
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  Speaker 1: He keeps to himself.
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  Speaker 2: He's away from the other prisoners, says a source in
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  Speaker 2: the jail, but he will make small talk with the
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  Speaker 2: guards and seems to be getting used to that place.
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  Speaker 2: Koberger will return to court for a pretrial hearing on
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  Speaker 2: January 12th, where he will plea to the charges against him.
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  Speaker 2: And Brian Koberger is expected to plead not guilty to
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  Speaker 2: these four homicides. So he plans to fight this. He
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  Speaker 2: plans to go to trial. And like he told his lawyer,
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  Speaker 2: he plans to be exonerated. So the question is, will
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  Speaker 2: the jury buy into whatever his defense is? Now, I
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  Speaker 2: will say we have not seen what that strategy is
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  Speaker 2: going to be. So all we're going on here is
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  Speaker 2: what we have seen from the prosecution. And if we're
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  Speaker 2: being honest, we have to say that we have to
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  Speaker 2: wait and see what Koberger brings up as a defense.
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  Speaker 2: But as of now, what they have presented, if what
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  Speaker 2: the prosecution is saying is true, then Brian Koberger is done.
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  Speaker 2: There's no way he's going to be able to defend
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  Speaker 2: these charges. There's no way he's going to be able
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  Speaker 2: to convince a jury that he didn't do this or
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  Speaker 2: that there's even reasonable doubt that he didn't do this.
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  Speaker 2: So unless they have some kind of evidence that is
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  Speaker 2: going to shock the world, my guess is Brian Koberger
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  Speaker 2: is going to either a be spending the rest of
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  Speaker 2: his life in prison or B he's going to be
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  Speaker 2: sentenced to death.
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  Speaker 1: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
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• 10:59
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• 11:06
  Speaker 2: link that I discussed can be found in the description box.
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  Speaker 2: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. It
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  Speaker 2: should come as no surprise to anybody out there paying
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  Speaker 2: attention that this sick degenerate, BTK, would share sympathy for
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  Speaker 2: Brian Kohlberger and the situation that Kohlberger finds himself in.
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  Speaker 1: What do they say? Birds of a feather and all?
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  Speaker 1: Fellow travelers?
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  Speaker 2: BTK obviously sees a little bit of himself in Brian Kohlberger,
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  Speaker 2: so he has reached out and shared his sympathies about
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  Speaker 2: the situation that Kohlberger finds himself in. And today we
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  Speaker 2: have an article from The Independent discussing this. So let's
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: just dive right in and let's see what Andrea Blanco
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  Speaker 2: and Bevan Hurley have come up with. BTK killer Dennis
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  Speaker 2: Rader shares sympathy for Idaho murder suspect Brian Koberger. What's next,
• 12:01
  Speaker 2: a nod of support from Gary Ridgway? Serial killer Dennis
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  Speaker 2: Rader has expressed sympathy for Brian Koberger as he awaits
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  Speaker 2: his trial in the Idaho murders. Rader, who gave himself
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  Speaker 2: the title of the BTK killer because he bound and
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  Speaker 2: tortured his victims before killing them, is serving 10 consecutive
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  Speaker 2: life sentences in a maximum security prison in Kansas after
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  Speaker 2: he confessed in 2005 to killing 10 people over a
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  Speaker 2: span of three decades. And the first murders that he committed,
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  Speaker 2: known murders anyway, was the Otero family. And there certainly
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  Speaker 2: were some similarities between Brian Koberger, allegedly killing the four
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  Speaker 2: college students in their home and Dennis Rader's first trip
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  Speaker 2: around the sun, killing the Otero family. Four people home
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  Speaker 2: at the time, a male home at the time, a
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  Speaker 2: dog there. So there were a lot of similarities. Now,
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  Speaker 2: do I think that they're related in any way?
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  Speaker 1: I do not.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I don't think that Koberger was ever in contact
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  Speaker 2: with BTK. I don't think he was talking to him
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  Speaker 2: before the murders. I don't think he was talking to
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  Speaker 2: him after the murders. But I do know that he
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  Speaker 2: is keenly aware of who BTK is and what BTK
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  Speaker 2: was up to. Not only was Brian Kohlberger studying to
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  Speaker 2: get his criminology degree, the guy was an avid fan
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  Speaker 2: of true crime. And you can't be an avid fan
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  Speaker 2: of true crime and this sort of true crime anyway
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  Speaker 2: without knowing who the BTK is. So he certainly knew
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  Speaker 2: who BTK was. And then you add to all of
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  Speaker 2: that the fact he studied under Catherine Ramsland, the same
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  Speaker 2: lady that wrote a book with BTK. So there's no
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  Speaker 2: doubt in my mind that Koberger had a very good
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  Speaker 2: grasp on all of BTK's murders and the way he
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  Speaker 2: went about it. In an interview with Fox News Digital
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  Speaker 2: on Wednesday, Rader said he understands how Mr. Koberger must
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  Speaker 2: feel while in solitary confinement at Latah County Jail ahead
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  Speaker 2: of his preliminary hearing on June 26th. Since I spent
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  Speaker 2: from February 2005 to April 2005 in a cell by myself,
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  Speaker 2: I know how he feels. Very lonely, Rader told the outlet,
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  Speaker 2: adding that his situation improved when he was allowed to
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  Speaker 2: receive mail. Well, if you're lonely, maybe we could put
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  Speaker 2: one of the family members of the people you killed
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  Speaker 2: in that cell with you for a good 25 or
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  Speaker 2: 30 minutes and see how lonely you are then. I
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  Speaker 2: got your lonely right here, you stoonod. And soon, letters
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  Speaker 2: started to come in. I read a lot of Bible
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  Speaker 2: and wrote poetry. You know, all these guys, the same thing. Oh,
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  Speaker 2: I found God. Oh, I found God. Oh, well, I
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  Speaker 2: repented and I found God. That's all great, but that's
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  Speaker 2: not going to bring back the people that you violently murdered.
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  Speaker 2: That's not going to give their families any comfort or
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  Speaker 2: any closure. So the whole I found God thing always
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  Speaker 2: makes me laugh. Rader's name was first linked to the
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  Speaker 2: Idaho case last month after it emerged that Mr. Koberger
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  Speaker 2: had been a student in a criminology class taught by Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Catherine Ramsland, the leading academic authority on the BTK killings.
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  Speaker 2: And she wrote that book with BTK. We did that
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  Speaker 2: whole article on BTK and his work with Dr. Catherine Ramsland.
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  Speaker 2: And it's quite the coincidence, no? that she is such
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  Speaker 2: a authority on BTK, and then she has a student
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  Speaker 2: like Brian Koberger?
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  Speaker 1: Quite the coincidence.
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  Speaker 2: Mr. Koberger had just finished his first semester as a
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  Speaker 2: criminology Ph.D. student at Washington State University when he was
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  Speaker 2: charged with the stabbings of Kaylee Gonsalves, Madison Mogan, Zanna Kernodle,
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  Speaker 2: and Ethan Chapin on November 13th. Last month, Raider's Daughter,
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  Speaker 2: Carrie Rawson, told The Independent that she had sensed her
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  Speaker 2: father in the Idaho murders. Look, there is no doubt
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  Speaker 2: about that. When you look at what happened, it had
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  Speaker 2: all the hallmarks of a BTK kind of murder. Maybe
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  Speaker 2: not the bind, torture, and kill part, but the fact
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  Speaker 2: that it was so brazen. Four people being murdered like this?
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  Speaker 1: With a knife? Very rare do you see that as
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  Speaker 1: the M.O. for somebody.
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  Speaker 2: And obviously, as we've learned more, it certainly seems like
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  Speaker 2: All four weren't the target. Seems like Kaylee and Madison
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  Speaker 2: or one or the other were the target. And then
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  Speaker 2: he stumbled upon Zanna, who just unfortunately happened to be
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  Speaker 2: awake at the time. If she wasn't awake and he
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  Speaker 2: didn't stumble into her, my guess is he would have
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  Speaker 2: just kept going, meaning he would have killed Kaylee and
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  Speaker 2: Madison and then got out of Dodge. Now, obviously, that's
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  Speaker 2: just my opinion and the way I'm breaking it all
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  Speaker 2: down from the facts that we have available to us.
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  Speaker 2: But the more I look at it and the more
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  Speaker 2: information we get, the more it seems like Ethan and
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  Speaker 2: Zanna were both collateral damage. She later learned that Mr.
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  Speaker 2: Kohlberger had gained a master's degree in criminology in 2022
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: from Pennsylvania's DeSalas University, where he was taught by Dr.
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  Speaker 1: Ramsland. Dr.
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  Speaker 2: Ramsland, a world-renowned expert on serial and mass killers, wrote
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  Speaker 2: the 2016 book Confession of a Serial Killer. the untold
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  Speaker 2: story of Dennis Rader, the BTK killer, in 2016, drawing
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  Speaker 2: on hundreds of hours of interviews and phone conversations with
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  Speaker 2: the serial killer to delve deep into his psyche. Ms.
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  Speaker 2: Rawson said she refused to participate in the book, which
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  Speaker 2: documented in explicit detail Rader's 10 murders in Wichita and
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  Speaker 2: Park City, Kansas, between 1974 and 1991, through crime scene reports,
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  Speaker 2: jailhouse visits, telephone calls, And written correspondence. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: how you could sit in a room with this guy.
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  Speaker 2: Just looking at Dennis Rader. And his dumb ass face.
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  Speaker 2: And knowing what he did to all of those people.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if I'd be able to control myself.
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  Speaker 2: From engaging in the power slap competition. Because if anyone's
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: ever needed their face slapped.
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  Speaker 1: It's BTK.
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  Speaker 2: I ended up actually back in trauma therapy while reading
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  Speaker 2: that book. I was still mad at my father. I
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  Speaker 2: threw the thing across the room. Miss Rawson, who wasn't
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  Speaker 2: even alive when her father committed his first seven murders
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  Speaker 2: between 1974 and 1977, told The Independent in January. Imagine
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  Speaker 2: if your father was a serial killer. You have this
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: image of your dad being, you know, your dad, a hero,
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  Speaker 2: an untoppable hero. Then, to get the news that that
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  Speaker 2: man that you put on a pedestal above everybody else
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  Speaker 2: is actually a serial killer? Yeah, I'm guessing a bit
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: of therapy is going to be needed for a situation
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: like that. Rader had been a respected president of his
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: local church and a Cub Scout leader who secretly carried
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: out a series of sadistic murders while bragging about his
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: crimes to the media. He came up with the Bind
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Torture Kill moniker in letters to Kansan Media. You can't
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: name yourself, bro. There's rules against that. That's like wearing
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: the band t-shirt of the band you're going to see
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: to the show. There are certain rules that have to
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: be followed. You can't make up your own nickname. Ms.
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: Rawson said her father earned a degree in criminal justice
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: at the same time he was committing murders in the 1970s.
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: According to the Wichita Eagle, he has also a peace
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: and compliance supervisor in Park City, so BTK was hiding
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: in plain sight. He was your average neighbor, guy working
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: for the Cub Scouts, working for his criminology degree. You know,
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: the kind of guy you wake up, see him out
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: in the front yard, you wave to him on your
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: way to work. Meanwhile, this dude's dressing up in women's clothing.
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: making pretend he's the victims that he's already killed, putting
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: out their IDs and having a whole recreation of his murder.
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: And this is the guy that you're living next door to.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: Rader did not have a trial, instead confessing to his
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: crimes after his arrest. Mr. Kohlberger, on the other hand,
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: has said through his former public defendant that he is
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: eager to be exonerated. The affidavit for his arrest gave
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: new details about what led investigators to the suspect, but
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: still offered no connection between the victims and Mr.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Kohlberger.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Well, we know that those connections are being made as
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: we speak. And all of the digital connections that they
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: had in this day and age, those are connections. When
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: you're looking at somebody's social media the way that you
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: can monitor somebody these days, you might as well be
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: looking in the window of their bedroom. The documents did
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: reveal that investigators believe that Mr. Koberger may have stalked
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: the student home in the run-up to the mass murder,
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: with cell phone data placing him around the property 12
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: times before the 13th of November. Police said that his
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: DNA was found on a knife sheath left behind at
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: the scene by the killer and his white Hyundai Elantra
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: was caught on surveillance footage at the crime scene at
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: the time of the murders, the affidavit reveals. Police in
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Washington also unsealed search warrants for Mr. Kohlberger's apartment in
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: Pullman and his office at Washington State University. The searches
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: were carried out on the same day that he was
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: taken into police custody in Pennsylvania. The unsealed documents reveal
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: that investigators seized a string of items from his home,
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: including possible human and animal strands, a disposable glove, items
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: with red and brown stains, and a computer. No items
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: were seized from his office, which he shared with other Ph.D.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: Students.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: He faces life in prison or the death penalty for
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: the murders that have rocked the small college town of
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: Moscow and hit headlines around the globe. All right, folks,
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: that's going to do it for this one. All of
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: the information that goes along with this episode can be
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: found in the description box. Everyone and welcome back to
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: the program. There are some out there suggesting that Brian
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Koberger might have been behind the noise complaints that were
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: called in on the Moscow house previously. And when I
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: heard that earlier, I didn't put any stock in it.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: I figured it was a bunch of BS. And now
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Fox News is confirming that it is, well, in fact,
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: a bunch of BS. So I figured we'd get ahead
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: of this one before I started getting emails about Brian
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Koberger being the man that called in this noise complaint.
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: This article is from Fox News. Headline, Brian Koberger case.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: Theory Idaho suspect was behind party house noise complaints debunked.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: Idaho murder suspect Brian Koberger allegedly stalked the King Road
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: home for weeks before the stabbings. This article was authored
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: by Michael Ruiz. Police responded to noise complaints three times
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: at the home where four University of Idaho students were
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: later killed. But incident reports contain no evidence the prime
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: suspect placed the calls as web sleuths have suggested. And
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: it's crazy how many people are trying to make up
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: their own story about what happened here. Sometimes the story
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: is what it is. And running off in all those
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: directions and jumping down every single rabbit hole is just counterproductive.
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: Especially some of the more ludicrous stuff. I mean, really?
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: We're going to think that Brian Koberger is over here
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: calling in noise complaints. I mean, we've heard from neighbors
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: on the record about how noisy the house was and
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: neighbors talking publicly how they were the ones who called
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: in the noise complaints. So where the hell did people
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: come up with this one? Brian Koberger, a 28-year-old criminology
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: PhD student at nearby Washington State University, had also applied
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: for an internship with local police. He had allegedly been
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: stalking the King Road home where three of the four
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: victims lived for weeks, according to a probable cause affidavit.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Koberger's cell phone pinged near the house at least a
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: dozen times before the quadruple homicide and once the morning after,
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: according to investigators. And Moscow police pulled him over for
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: a traffic stop near the victim's home less than a
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: week after the first noise complaint in August. So because
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: he got pulled over by the house, he was the
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: one who called in the noise complaint. I don't even
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: understand what the foundation of believing this nonsense would be.
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Like some of this stuff, you know, you hear it
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: and you're like, all right, well, I guess that seems
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: at least possible. But this kind of nonsense, why would
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: he call in the noise complaint? What would that serve?
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: What would that do for him? Except put them on
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: the radar. Now, we all know he's not a genius, obviously,
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: but calling in a noise complaint. Nah, I'm not buying it.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: While the school had a database of police body cam
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: footage from several departments and surveillance video around Pullman, Washington,
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: university officials say Koberger was never granted access to those resources.
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: And Moscow police were not among the agencies sharing video.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: So even if he was granted access to those resources,
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: he wouldn't have access to what's going on in Moscow.
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: because they weren't part of the sharing program that's going
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: on in Pullman. So they have that forensics school there.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: So they have this program where they share some information
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and they have access to police surveillance. They have access
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: to body camera footage and other things that normal people
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have access to. And all of that is to
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: prepare these kids or these adults, I should say, at
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: that point, to become criminologists, and to work to try
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: and catch people who commit crimes like the one Brian.
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: Koberger is accused of.
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: But the evidence of alleged stalking and his criminal justice
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: background triggered speculation that Koberger may have been involved in
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: reporting the noise complaints or sought out the body camera video.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: Police documents obtained by Fox News Digital do not support
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: either possibility.
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he didn't have access to any of that stuff.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: So there's no way that he was trolling through there
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: and looking at different body cam footage or what was
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: going on with police officers in Moscow or at surveillance cameras.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: It's just not possible. A, Brian Koberger didn't have access
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: to it. And B, Moscow is not part of that
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: sharing program. So if they're not part of the program,
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: there's no way that Brian Koberger was accessing those files.
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Two of the three complaints on the evening of September
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: 1st and the early morning of September 2nd are identified
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: in police reports as neighbors of the King Road home
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: in Moscow. Both calls came from houses on Walenta Drive,
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: the street behind the six bedroom off campus rental house. Now,
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: we've heard from these neighbors specifically who have went on
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: the record before talking about how loud it was over
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: there and one of them talking about how they had
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: to call the cops.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: So I don't even.
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: Understand where the whole entire nonsensical theory can pop up
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: that it was all Kohlberger over here dropping a dime
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: because the kids were pounding white claws and listening to
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: some country music. An earlier incident report from August 16th
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: does not include a complaint's name. However, the responding officer
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: on body cam video reportedly mentions that the loud music
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: is disturbing neighbors. So I guess there's a little room
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: there if you want to really jump down that rabbit
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: hole and go to cuckoo land. I guess you can
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: do that. But chances are, when you look at the
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: fact that the neighbors were the ones who were always
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: calling in these noise complaints, and we see it's been
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: multiple noise complaints.
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: It wasn't one time. It wasn't a one-off. They were there.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: They were partying, hanging out, having drinks, pre-gaming. I know
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: those of you who went to college know exactly how
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: that all goes.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: How many of you had a.
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: Specific place that you would pick out that you would
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: pregame before you guys would go to a party? You
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: had a friend who had a house or an apartment
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: and everybody would meet up there, get a little pregame
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: celebration going on, tie on a nice little buzz real
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: quick and get prepared for the night's festivities. I know
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: that was my life literally five nights a week while
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I was in college. I was going out just about
• 28:48
  Speaker 2: every night. Get up, miserable, head to work. But you
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: know how it goes. People are partying, it's loud, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: people are getting drunk and having a good time. That's
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the whole point of leaving to go to college out
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: of state or at the very least away.
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: From your parents.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: You want to have a good time. And that's exactly
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: what these kids were doing. And obviously a few of
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: the neighbors weren't too happy about it. Additionally, the incident
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: reports include the name of members of the public who
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: requested the reports and And the dates when those requests
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: were filed. Kohlberger's name does not appear on the list.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: So I think that's pretty conclusive, right? Even if you
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: think this guy is Hannibal Lecter level of criminal, there's
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: no way he's out here forging this sort of information.
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: So.
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: I don't see how he could be the one who
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: called in these complaints. And for those of you who
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: have listened to the podcast for a while, you know
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: how the Washington Post gives out the five Pinocchios. Well,
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: I give out five chicken parms here. And if I
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: think it's a bunch of bullshit, it gets more chicken parms.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: This one is a five chicken parm bunch of nonsense.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: Kohlberger faces four counts of first-degree murder and a felony
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: burglary charge after he allegedly entered a home on King
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Road in Moscow and ambushed Zanna Kernodle and her boyfriend
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: Ethan Chapin and Madison Mogan and Kaylee Gonsalves. The attacks
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: happened around 4 a.m. on November 13th, according to authorities,
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: and Latah County Coroner Kathy Maybutt previously said all four were.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: Stabbed to death.
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: Steve Gonsalves, Kaylee Gonsalves' father, told Fox News Digital in
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: December that Mabit described the injuries to him as big
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: open gouges. And that definitely tracks, considering what we know
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: about what went down here and how.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: Brutal the crime scene was.
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: Just listening to what the investigators said before there was
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: a gag order, you know this crime scene was absolutely brutal.
• 30:51
  Speaker 2: When you have blood trickling down the way we saw
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: it and running out the side of the house like that, yeah.
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: pretty brutal crime scene. So, gouges and open wounds and
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: I can't even imagine what else was going on. Two
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: other housemates were unharmed, including one who police say witnessed
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: a masked man with bushy eyebrows flee after the killings.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: Gonsalves' dog also survived the attack and police said they
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: found possible animal hair while serving a search warrant at
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: Koberger's apartment in Pullman, less than 10 miles away from
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: the crime scene. It always baffles me when these alleged criminals,
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: these alleged killers, commit these crimes so close to home.
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: I get it.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: You want to know the surrounding area so that you
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: have an idea of, you know, how to get away
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: and whatnot. But really, haven't you ever heard the saying,
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: don't shit where you eat? Don't you think you'd be
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: more successful as a serial killer, you know, murdering people
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: that aren't living near you? Probably a good idea. Koberger
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: is due back in court at the end of June
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: for a preliminary hearing where his defense is expected to
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: challenge the evidence laid out against him.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: He is being held without bond.
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: If convicted of any of the four murder charges, he
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: could face the death penalty. The court has issued a
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: gag order barring attorneys and investigators from commenting on the case.
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: So I just wanted to get this one added to
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: the catalog and get out ahead of it, like I said,
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: before I got emails on it. Because, you know, there's
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: people out there who are going to say, hey, is
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: this true? Did this happen? And obviously they have the
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: documentation here. Pretty obvious that it did not happen, that
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: it wasn't Brian Koberger who made these complaints.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: And in fact, it was just a bunch of pissed
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: off neighbors.
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: All right, folks, that's going to do it for this one.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: All of the information that goes along with this episode
• 32:48
  Speaker 2: can be found in the description box. What's up everyone
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: and welcome back to the program. I feel like we've
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: talked about this already before, but I've seen several headlines
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: in the last couple of days discussing it again, so
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: I figured we'd jump back in and add another episode
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: to the catalog dealing with Brian Koberger and the fact
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: that he might be responsible for other crimes elsewhere. Now,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: there is no concrete evidence one way or the other
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: to support that. And as of now, he's just being
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: investigated for potentially being involved. Previously, we've talked about this
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania, so I was a little confused when I
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: saw the headlines, but here we are. So, since it's
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: the headline making its way through the news cycle, we'll
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: pick right back up where we left off, I guess,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: and talk a little bit more about Brian Koberger and
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: the fact that he might be responsible for some other murders.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Today's article is from Newsweek, headline, Brian Koberger Investigated Over
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: Other Homicides. This article was authored by by James Bickerton.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: And it was back in February when we were first
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: talking about the information that came to light about prosecutors
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania who were investigating cold cases in possible relation
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: to Brian Koberger. And back then, we heard those prosecutors
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: tell us that as of that time, they had made
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: no connections. So let's see if anything has changed. Police
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: in Pennsylvania are investigating Brian Koberger over potential involvement in
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: other outstanding homicides, according to a News Nation report. Koberger
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: has been charged with four counts of first-degree murder along
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: with one felony burglary after four University of Idaho students
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: were stabbed to death by an intruder in the college
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: town of Moscow. Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves, Zanna Kernodel, and
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: Ethan Chapin were killed with a knife in a shared
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: student house in the early hours of November 13th. Two
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: other female students, who were also in the house when
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: it was attacked, were not harmed. Mogan, Gonsalves, and Kernodle
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: all lived in the property, while Chapin was staying with Kernodle,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: his girlfriend, when the attack occurred. Well, that's not completely true.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Kaylee had moved out already, remember, and she was just
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: there for the weekend to show her best friend Maddie
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: her new car. While Kohlberger has yet to enter a plea,
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: in January, shortly after his arrest, his Pennsylvania public defender
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: said he was eager to be exonerated. If confirmed that
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: authorities are investigating Kohlberger over other unsolved murders, the case
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: against him could expand significantly, though this has not been
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: officially announced. And here's where I'm having some confusion with
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: the next paragraph. The news that police were investigating Koberger's
• 35:49
  Speaker 2: possible role in other murders was broken by NewsNation on
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Wednesday with presenter Chris Cuomo saying, Tonight I can report
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: to you exclusively that authorities in Pennsylvania, where he was arrested,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: are investigating potential involvement in other outstanding homicides. The only
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: problem with that is this isn't breaking news. We've already
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: talked about this previously, so I was wondering if anything
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: new was here, and it doesn't look like anything new
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: has popped up. So I don't know where they're getting
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: the idea that Chris Cuomo is breaking this, but I'm
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: looking at an article from February 8th of this year
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: talking about this same thing, that Pennsylvania police are sifting
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: through cold cases for possible links to Brian Kohlberger. We
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: heard from the Northampton County District and the Lehigh County
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: District a prosecutor who told us there were no connections.
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: But I guess that's what passes for breaking news over
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: on the Chris Cuomo show. The news was confirmed by
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: Mark Garagos, a trial attorney who told Cuomo, yes, I
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: have heard similar and not just in this case, but
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: virtually every high profile case that is a circumstantial evidence
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: murder case, you almost inevitably hear of other unsolved murders,
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: and law enforcement looks to see if they can link
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: whoever the suspect is. So, no breaking news here, folks.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: Just the same stuff we've talked about, oh, I don't know,
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: two months ago. Asked why this would be, Garagos replied, well,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: for one thing, I suppose it fills a vacuum. Why
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: did somebody do this when you don't have a motive?
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: That is the most obvious explanation, and also the cynic
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: in me, the defense lawyer in me, suspects it's a
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: way to dirty somebody up. Cuomo replied that authorities don't
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: need to smear Kohlberger before asking retired FBI agent Jennifer
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: Koffendaffer what sort of things the police would be looking for. Yeah,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: I doubt they're looking to smear Brian Kohlberger at this point.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, we've heard some pretty gruesome stuff about the dude.
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: And I think the circumstantial evidence and the evidence that's
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: been piled on since then speaks for itself. Nobody needs
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: to go out and wage a campaign against Brian Koberger.
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: His actions have done that for him. She said, well, specifically,
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: if they have a case which fits the modus operandi
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: that matches what happened in Idaho, for instance, is the
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: target a young, beautiful co-ed? Was the weapon of choice
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  Speaker 2: a knife? Was the arrival and departure of the individual
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  Speaker 2: in a vehicle as opposed to being dropped off or
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: by foot? Was the time chosen at this 3 o'clock
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  Speaker 2: to 4 o'clock time frame? All of that fits for
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  Speaker 2: what happened up in Oregon with the Judens, but remember,
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  Speaker 2: they've ruled that out. So why is it that they're
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  Speaker 2: looking at cold cases in Pennsylvania, but not up in Oregon?
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  Speaker 2: I just can't shake the feeling that Koberger has something
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  Speaker 2: to do with that. Now, do I have any evidence
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  Speaker 2: to offer you to back that up?
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: I do not.
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  Speaker 2: That's just a gut feeling of mine, but the MO
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: matches up almost perfectly. The probable cause affidavit used to
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: justify Koberger's arrest said phone records indicated he had been
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: near the Moscow house on at least 12 occasions. prior
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: to the murders, and that DNA linked to him was
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: recovered from a knife sheath found near the scene. Police
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: have issued search warrants to Google, TikTok, and dating app Tinder,
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  Speaker 2: requesting information on three of the victims going back to
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  Speaker 2: January 2021. It's not just three victims, it's all four victims,
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  Speaker 2: plus a bunch of redacted names. And you see the
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: is why we go through those court documents. I know
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: that the court documents aren't as fun as these updates
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: that we do. but I find that they're crucial for
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: us to know what's going on. We can't trust the
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: legacy media to keep us up to date. We can't
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: trust the legacy media to have their story straight.
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: They never do.
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  Speaker 2: Now, that doesn't mean nobody in the legacy media has
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: their shit together, but the vast majority of these people
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: in the legacy media are nothing more than screen-reading mouthpieces.
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  Speaker 2: So that's why we continue with the long journey to
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: the top of the mountain when it comes to the
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  Speaker 2: court documents. Also, yesterday, NewsNation was reporting that one of
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: the victim's IDs was found in the possession of Brian Koberger.
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  Speaker 2: So let's dive into this article from NewsNation and let's
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  Speaker 2: see what's up.
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  Speaker 1: Headline, sources.
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  Speaker 2: ID from Idaho killings found in Koberger home searches.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that's significant.
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  Speaker 2: If that's for real, and that's not just a rumor,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: if that's actual fact, then Brian Koberger's cooked, and all
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: of the people over on the Brian Koberger Reddit forum,
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: they're all going to be pretty depressed. This article was
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: authored by Chris Cuomo and Tyler Warnell. An ID connected
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  Speaker 2: to someone from the Quadruple Homicide Moscow, Idaho, was found
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  Speaker 2: during one of the searches of Brian Koberger's residence's News
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  Speaker 2: Nation has exclusively learned. Police also believe they have evidence
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  Speaker 2: connecting Kohlberger to alleged cyber-stalking of someone from the Moscow
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  Speaker 2: residence where four University of Idaho students were killed in November.
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  Speaker 2: Police arrested Kohlberger in Pennsylvania at his parents' home roughly
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  Speaker 2: six weeks after the fatal stabbings. Court documents have revealed
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  Speaker 2: police used DNA left on the knife sheath at the
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: scene to link him to the crime. So that's pretty
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  Speaker 2: damning stuff, folks. If this turns out to be true
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: and they did find the ID, the party's over. How
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  Speaker 2: else would he come into possession of that ID? And
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: then if they do find that ID on him or
• 41:38
  Speaker 2: if they did find it on him, all of that
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  Speaker 2: circumstantial evidence that all of these contrarians want to tell
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: you doesn't matter. Oh boy, does it loom large then?
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: You see all of these people out here who are
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: talking about Kohlberger being innocent or how the affidavit doesn't
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  Speaker 2: add up They don't know what else the government has.
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  Speaker 2: And let me tell you what, the government never shows
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: up with all of their evidence. They always have some
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: stuff in reserve. They're going to wait for discovery to
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: drop everything on Brian Kohlberger. And with the gag order,
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: we're not even going to know what comes up in
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: that discovery until we get into a courtroom. So if
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: this is indeed true, Kohlberger certainly already knows that the
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: government knows that the ID was found. A search warrant
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  Speaker 2: unsealed earlier this year revealed police seized IDs from Koberger's car,
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: but it did not specify to whom they belonged. Remember
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: in the affidavit, in the search warrant, they had the
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: listings of the things they took, and it was IDs
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: in like a sock or something like that. It's a
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: big deal. That is a smoking license. Retired FBI agent
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: Jennifer Kofendafer said Thursday on Cuomo, just like the sheath
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: was a smoking sheath, found next to Maddie with his
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: DNA on that clasp. It's the same thing in this situation.
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  Speaker 2: Why would he have an ID related to one of
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: those people from that house? That is a good question,
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: and it's on point. There's no way to excuse that
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: or explain it. The bodies of Zanna Kernodle, Ethan Chapin,
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Madison Mogan, and Kaylee Gonsalves were found November 13th inside
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: the off-campus rental house they lived in. all were stabbed
• 43:22
  Speaker 2: to death. In addition to the DNA found on the
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: knife sheath, police say cell phone tower data puts Koberger
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: near the scene of the crime immediately after the killings.
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: Police have not yet recovered the murder weapon. Police would
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: not officially confirm the details of the license due to
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: a gag order in the case. But high-profile trial attorney
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: Mark Garagos said it would be a hurdle for the
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: defense if presented in court.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no shit. Like a 500-foot hurdle. How are you
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: going to jump over that one?
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: How are you going to explain that you have the
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: ID of a dead person with all of the other
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: evidence that's been compiled against you? So if this is
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: indeed true, then the party's over for Kohlberger, and it's
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: not a matter of if the conviction's coming. It's just
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: a matter of when. All right, folks, that's going to
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: do it for this one. All of the information that
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