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Nick Fuentes vs. Dean Withers Full Debate | America Unfiltered #210 · America Unfiltered With James P

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  America, we are back, baby. Welcome to another episode of
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  America Unfiltered. We got a great show for you guys
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  tonight. Very excited to be back with
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  you. Really.
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  Another slow fucking Newsday. I mean, literally nothing is
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  happening around the country, Nothing is happening in the
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  media, nothing to really report on.
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  I wish I had more to report on today, but like I said,
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  literally nothing has happened today.
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  There's been people online talking about the Elijah
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  Schaeffer drama still. We have people talking about ice
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  still we have people talking about topics from 2 weeks ago.
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  Nothing new happening at all right now.
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  So what we're going to do today is we're going to do a reaction
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  stream to the debate between Nick Fuentes and Dean Withers.
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  This was an all time debate. Very fun watch and I'm excited
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  to watch it here with you guys today.
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  We got the Wang half hoodie on today.
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  It's a good day. We're treating this like our
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  casual Friday show because tomorrow I have a debate
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  scheduled and I'll be suited up for that one.
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  I, I'll be suited up to lay down that slack and that it'll be
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  fun, very fun time. We're going to teach, teach that
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  woman a lesson. We're going to teach her why Ice
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  is good for the country and why she is a retarded bitch.
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  Don't worry guys, we're going to, we're going to help her out.
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  We're going to get her the help she needs.
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  We're going to be firm, aggressive.
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  We are going to be, we're going to be smart.
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  We're going to be quick. It's going to be a fun time
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  going to be a fun debate. So I'm excited for that
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  scheduled for I think noon tomorrow.
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  I'm going to do it live on the show and then I'll re upload it
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  to Spotify later in the day. So very excited for that.
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  Hope you guys enjoy that tomorrow and I hope you guys
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  enjoyed this show today. But before we get into the
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  America unfiltered. With that, let's get right into
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  this reaction stream. Like I said, slow Newsday,
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  really not much to talk about so seem like this would be a good
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  thing to just let the day pass by.
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  Let me get it pulled up for you here guys, 1 moment.
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  Oh and he actually quick quick update announcement for the
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  people who want like the some people when I read out the
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  comments, they're like, oh, why doesn't it like read the comment
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  out on the screen? Why don't you have TTS all that
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  bullshit. We now have it.
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  I I'll put the link in the live chat for I'll put the link in
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  all my live chats, power chat dot live slash James AUTV and
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  then yeah, you could send messages, videos, if you want me
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  to react to the videos messages, they'll pop up right on the
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  screen. All that.
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  So we're excited. We got that now.
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  We got that all set up, but let's get actually right into
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  the show. I do.
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  OK, we have to join the oh. Wait, we had someone in the live
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  chat, they go Wang half in chat doe putty bass.
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  Thank you. What you think about Pam Bondi,
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  dumb bitch? I mean, it's another reason why
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  women shouldn't be in politics. None of the women who were in
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  politics are impressive, especially not Pam Bondi.
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  I mean that was just embarrassing.
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  It's one of the worst defence I've ever seen.
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  I mean those congressional hearings are always a fucking
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  joke. It's always like they'll ask
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  someone a question and they know they're never gonna get a
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  straight answer. But Pam Bondi really gave the
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  political dance around a whole new definition.
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  I mean she made herself look like such a dumb retard.
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  Discord room with with Dean. OK.
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  So how you feeling that you good?
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  I'm feeling good. I'm excited, dude.
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  It's actually like a pleasure to talk to you, bro.
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  Likewise good to talk to you too.
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  He does have aura. Let's go.
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  You have You have aura. Thank you, bro.
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  What's what's that? Oh shit.
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  Shit, shit, I got it. Yeah, yeah.
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  All right, I'm gonna buy this room.
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  Don't leak it. All right.
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  OK. Glaze off, right?
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  No, my boy Dean got war too. All right, one second here.
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  What's up, Dean? What's going on?
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  How you doing? Good brother, how are you?
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  Dude, I'm doing all right. I'm, I'm dude, I'm a little bit
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  nervous. I've had Knicks fans on on the
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  on the Twitter account. Hey, what's going?
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  On man, how you doing? What's up?
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  I'm good. How you doing?
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  Doing all right, it's good night.
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  Let's have a great time despite Dean.
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  It's a pleasure to meet you, man, despite whatever I believe
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  in you know like I said, I believe in a couple of your guys
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  points for certain topics me and Sneako are going to we're going
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  to hold our ground and be as neutral as possible.
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  Cool sounds good. I appreciate that for that.
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  Sneako, Dean, by the way, Dean Sneako, you're not going to see
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  him because we're we're kind of reacting over you.
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  But I'll turn my camera for a quick second.
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  Someone goes well, she's. Yeah.
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  I mean, all the women in politics are retarded.
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  Can we blame them for being women?
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  We really should blame the men who are still on board with
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  having women in politics. I mean all the men who haven't
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  at this point realize that women should not be in politics, work,
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  play like all these things that we need to get women back in the
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  kitchen. All these men who are still
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  white knighting for these stupid bitches.
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  It's, it's kind of their fault. These women will never realize
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  that they're retarded. It's the men who are saying to
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  them, no, you can do anything, honey, it's like, no, you can't.
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  No, you can't. You never could.
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  You never will be able to you. Know face to face.
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  This is Aniko. What's going on, man?
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  What's going on, dude? I I was, I was a little bit
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  disappointed to hear that the debate between you and me wasn't
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  happening. But, you know, here we are
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  nonetheless. Yeah, I didn't hear about this
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  stuff. I didn't know that was
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  confirmed. I told you it was.
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  There was never confirmed. I literally told you it was.
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  I have the text. Show me.
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  You want to see the text? Yeah, well, it was over
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  FaceTime. Actually I don't I don't know
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  too much value if we saw some of your Jubilee video so, but I've
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  heard good things about your. Debate, but Aiden told me that
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  you like to read to the topics. No, I didn't.
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  OK, I must. I'm.
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  Angling a debate towards Ethan Klein and Aasanavi right now,
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  but if it makes sense, it makes sense.
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  No, I'll update anybody. OK, we'll be.
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  Moderating. I moderate debates pretty
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  frequently, so I'm gonna stay neutral, obviously, like I I've
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  known Nick for quite some time. But yeah, we don't wanna come
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  off by us at all. We're gonna keep it fair and
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  make sure that we can cover all the topics.
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  Cool. Sounds good, Nicks.
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  Nick, you're with. Him.
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  Yeah, I'm trying to get set up here.
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  Give me one SEC. I'm trying to figure out how I
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  can. Do this here dude.
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  I see Aiden giving you that side eye.
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  I'm. Not gonna lie, that's great.
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  It's because. There's sexual tension.
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  OK, we're done. I guess I'll just do it like
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  this. My audience won't be able to
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  see, but maybe I'll. I'll let you guys, we're gonna
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  you guys go ahead and introduce each other.
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  Take it away, Nick. You got it first.
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  Hang on. What's else?
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  OK, I guess. While he's I guess while he's
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  figuring that out, I'll go to give an introduction of myself
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  to everyone watching. I am Dean Withers.
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  I am a 20 year old liberal. I really enjoy I enjoy politics,
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  I enjoy debate. And I started streaming on
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  TikTok about a year and a half ago, yabbing my mouth to maybe a
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  crowd of 30 people. And here we are a year and a
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  half later on a debate stage on Aiden Ross's stream.
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  Thank. You Dean, It's.
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  Gonna be a fun night guys. Thank you very much.
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  It is gonna be a fun one. We're just waiting for Nick and
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  then we'll let Nick introduce himself.
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  And then we gotta agree on topics in terms and everything.
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  No, no, they're both agree on the topics they have.
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  Yeah, there's four good topics we should do.
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  Maybe 2 to 5 minute intro depending what they agree on.
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  And then I agree, then we'll ask and then we'll do free flowing.
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  And if they interrupt each other, then we can go to 90
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  seconds back and forth. Correct.
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  And then we have the ability to serve me as well.
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  Oh yeah, guys, if you want to. Like formalize this, go for it.
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  Honestly, I was coming in here expecting a back and forth
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  conversation. Well.
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  It's not for sure interruption, then we'll.
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  Do time back and forth. Yeah, cool, We'll figure.
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  It out. We don't want to hear you guys
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  talking over each other. Hey, hey, hey, Nick.
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  If you can hear me. I know how.
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  To fix your issue bro. OK what's up?
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  So start are. You using OBS Studio?
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  Yes. OK.
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  So you're going to go ahead and start a virtual Cam.
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  You'll see that. And what that'll do is you can,
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  you can, you can basically use your webcam at the same time as
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  using it on your stream. So it's like you use Discord and
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  the stream. Make sure your virtual camera is
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  selected to your video source that you're using on OBS.
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  OK, let me see. I'm surprised you're not on OBS.
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  I'm kidding on. Let me see.
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  Yeah. No, I used to be.
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  I don't know. I got a first.
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  Right now I'm. Kind of lazy.
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  That's insane, what is this? This is the yeah.
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  So why isn't this working? OK.
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  So you know what you got to do? Go to the camera icon and get a
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  little down arrow other. Things Jewish tech support.
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  Come on man. That's not.
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  Jewish tech support. Oh, OK, hang on.
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  I think I got it. OK, I think I got it.
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  Sorry guys. No dude, you're good.
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  Take your. Time.
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  There we go. There we go.
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  All right, We're good. Can you see?
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  Yes, we're good. OK.
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  Now let me do this like this. OK, There.
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  That wasn't too hard. All right, all right, Nick,
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  let's give it a little introduction.
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  I would like you to give a little introduction and tell us,
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  you know, the new viewers and stuff, who you are, what you do.
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  Talk a little about yourself and yeah, go, go ahead.
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  Sure. Yeah.
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  Well, my name is Nicholas J Fuentes.
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  I'm a live streamer. I've been doing a show called
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  America First for eight years, almost eight years now.
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  I'm 26, from Chicago. I'm a reactionary Trump
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  supporter. Well, I was a Trump supporter.
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  Not so much anymore, but I'll be defending Trump.
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  That's fine from, you know, debate point of view.
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  And yeah, so that's me. So I'm excited to be here.
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  It's going to be good. Sweet, sweet.
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  OK, well, you know, the first topic, as everyone knows, I told
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  the chat as well, you know, is who is the better presidential
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  candidate. Dean, we'll start with you.
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  Yeah, sure. So, I mean, obviously, I think
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  that the better presidential candidate is Kamala Harris.
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  But I just wanted to clarify with Nick.
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  You said that you're not much of A Trump.
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  Supporter So are you voting for Trump?
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  No, I'm. Not I'm not going to vote.
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  For him? Who are you voting for?
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  I'm not voting. OK.
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  Holy shit. Well, I mean, I, you know, the
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  reason I chose that topic was because, you know, I thought
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  that you were voting for Trump. I don't really see much like use
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  in it if you're not voting for Trump, I mean.
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  It's worthwhile because I'll, I'll argue that people should.
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  I'll just argue that Trump is better than I think that Trump
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  would be a better president, but I'm not going.
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  To vote for. Him.
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  OK, Yeah, sure. So we can argue that.
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  Yeah, I guess we'll start there. I disagree.
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  One of the main reasons why I disagree we come out of swinging
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  is an economic policy. I think that, you know, it's
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  pretty clear and we probably agree on this.
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  One of the main reasons Dean got demolished in this debate is
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  because Dean is used to debating the same retards every single
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  day on TikTok under a very moderated setting where Dean
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  controls the mute button. And Dean is able to repeat the
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  same talking points over and over again every single day.
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  Hours and hours on end because every retard normie has the same
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  talking points. But then he goes up against a
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  master at this like Nick and just gets absolutely fucking
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  raped. That the average American should
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  be doing better than they are today and they should not be
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  doing worse than they are today. Donald Trump's proposed economic
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  policy will make the average American worse off with his
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  tariffs and then his TCGA for another 10 years
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  disproportionately benefits rich people.
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  It will also just add reckless spending to our debt.
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  It'll inflate it even more than it is today.
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  I think there's an estimate from the CBO putting that right at
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  $5.8 trillion. Here's no fucking plan how he's
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  gonna pay for it. Then we look over at Kamala
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  Harris, OK, her proposed tax policy so far is $2.4 trillion.
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  She knows exactly how she's gonna pay for it.
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  And they're designed for 100 million American workers in the
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  loan in the middle class. And it's gonna make them better
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  off Donald Trump's gonna. Make them worse off arguments.
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  Clear. OK, that's it.
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  It's just the economic proposals, that's all you got.
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  We can start there. OK.
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  We'll reference other things too.
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  I didn't want to just throw everything at you at once.
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  If when you can talk about multiple things.
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  Yeah, well, let me let me address all that I mean, so with
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  regard to the tariffs, JD Vance pointed the South.
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  The Biden administration continued many of the Trump era
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  tariffs. So that's kind of a moot point.
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  I mean, not know if Kamala is gonna of course he did.
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  Of course he. Can do they continue the
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  tariffs? But it's not a new point.
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  I disagree with Biden administration because they
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  continue the tariffs on China. But what Donald Trump is
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  proposing today is a 10 to 20% flat tariff on all goods
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  imported into the country, right?
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  I could say that any and all tariffs are bad, right?
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  But a 10 to 20% flat tariff on all goods is worse than tariffs
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  on goods imported from, I don't think.
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  It's a flat tariff. Is that actually a policy?
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  I don't believe that's right. It is.
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  Right. I think that JD Vance was
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  talking about this last thing. So I think you can reference his
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  own policy he's talked about multiple times in the past if
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  you don't think. This, it's only on certain
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  countries. It wouldn't be.
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  There would be No 15. That doesn't make any sense.
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  It'd be No 15 to 20% tariff. But even if that were the case,
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  fine. Let's say for the sake of
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  argument that's true because I don't know the Trump policy they
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  keep saying that Trump is going to put in place, they're calling
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  it a consumption tax. A consumption tax is value added
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  tax. They're saying it's going to be
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  like a sales tax. And that's the idea that the
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  taxation occurs at the point of a sale of goods.
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  And that's actually a real proposal.
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  But that's different than a tariff because, and here's the
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  difference. When you put a tariff on goods
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  and services, to call that a consumption tax is to imply that
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  the consumer will bear the full cost of the tariff.
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  And that's not necessarily true. Trump had a lot of tariffs in
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  his first term and the price of goods did not significantly
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  increase in spite of the tariffs.
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  Everybody says that it would only be the case of the full
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  cost of the tariff was passed down to the consumer.
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  But that flies in the face of the fact that foreign
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  corporations will bear the cost of the tariff or almost all of
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  it and not and certainly not all of it is passed down to the
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  consumers. That's just not true.
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  That's 1/2 with regard to deficit spending tax policy.
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  I mean, you know, I know you're a young guy and everything, but
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  like Republicans and Democrats, there's a bipartisan consensus
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  on spending. Let's just talk about spending.
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  Most of the spending on an annual basis is not even
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  discretionary. OK?
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  There's mandatory spending and there's discretionary spending.
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  Mandatory spending means you can't change it.
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  OK? The executive doesn't change it.
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  Congress can barely change it. And that is liabilities like
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  Social Security, Medicare. It's baked into the cake.
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  It's a vast majority of it. And who, who is going to cut
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  entitlements? Nobody.
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  Republicans aren't proposing to cut entitlements, although
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  they'd be more willing to than Democrats.
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  Democrats are certainly not touching entitlements.
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  Biden always attacks Republicans in a State of the Union, saying
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  they're trying to touch Social Security.
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  What do you think is driving the deficit of the debt?
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  It's Social Security and Medicare.
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  It's unfunded liabilities. In terms of military spending,
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  Military spending has gone up every year under the Biden
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  administration. It's like $850 billion per year.
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  That's the largest item in the discretionary budget.
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  So mandatory spending is going to go up in perpetuity under
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  Democrats and Republicans. Discretionary spending is going
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  to go up because military's by far and away the biggest
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  component of that. And Biden spends more and he
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  spends more on military appropriations because of all
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  the foreign aid. We gave 175 billion to Ukraine.
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  We gave 27 billion to Israel, another 8 billion to Israel last
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  week, 7 billion to Taiwan, 1.3 billion to Egypt.
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  That's in addition to the 850 billion per year, which that's
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  like the highest ever under Biden.
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  So, you know, spending's not coming down under anybody.
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  That's just wrong. I'm sorry for interrupting you
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  you. Can reference that spending
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  didn't go down under Biden, Harris compared to Trump.
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  You could reference the committee for that.
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  I didn't say that budget, you'd said that spending wasn't going.
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  Down under anyone, right? We can make a compared analysis
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  between the two last terms and we could show how it's gone
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  down. A committee for a responsible
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  federal budget indicated that Donald Trump signed $8.7
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  trillion of debt into law. Meanwhile, Biden and Harris only
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  only signed in 4.6. I mean, we could break that down
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  into COVID and non COVID. Like for instance, Trump signed
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  $4.8 trillion of non COVID related expenditures into law.
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  Meanwhile Biden only signed in 2.2 trillion.
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  But the first point that you made, I wanted to touch on that
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  you were talking about the terror, right?
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  You just kind of related it back to how like the Kelly Harris
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  campaign is calling it, you know, like a sales tax.
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  And then that's kind of all you said.
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  Yeah. I don't really care what they're
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  calling. I agree.
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  That's just a term that they use to convince the average American
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  that doesn't know much about what a tariff is that it's
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  really bad. But at the end of the day, the
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  impact of the tariff, right, still does serve as a detriment
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  to the consumer. And you are very careful with
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  your words here because you told me that that that tax, right,
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  That tariff isn't fully paid by the consumer.
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  Implicitly kind of conceding there that some of it is right.
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  And that's what I'm talking about.
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  That is a tax. That in some of it is a tax.
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  That's the consumer. We could also consider that is
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  right. And that's what i's what I'm
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  talking about. That's what I'm talking about.
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  That's a tax. That is a tax.
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  That's what i's because that's going to happen when we reduce
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  the imported the amount of imported goods without
• 13:38
  increasing amount of like supply manufactured here at home the US
• 13:40
  at the end of the day, tariffs are bad.
• 13:42
  This is a unilateral like agreed upon consensus Republicans and
• 13:44
  Democrats alike. You got any economists will tell
• 13:45
  you this unless they don't have the necessary qualifications to
• 13:47
  be and that's a fact. And then when we kind of
• 13:49
  consider these tariffs alongside his policy disproportionately
• 13:50
  benefiting the rich man and seemingly at the expense of the
• 13:52
  poor man with these tariffs, it becomes quite clear if we want
• 13:54
  to serve to the average American in their best interests.
• 13:56
  We need to be voting for calmly Harris because her policy does
• 13:58
  exactly that. I mean 83% of the tax is rather
• 14:00
  not at all 83% tax in the CGA for the last seven years.
• 14:03
  What's The thing is? That just better is my turn.
• 14:06
  Go for, Sir. Okay, so with regard to tariffs,
• 14:08
  yeah, some of the cost is passed down to the consumer, but it's
• 14:11
  marginal. And the point of tariffs is to
• 14:12
  restore manufacture. I'll give you perfect example.
• 14:14
  China has now become the largest manufacturer of electric cars,
• 14:17
  huge industry. You buy an electric car in China
• 14:19
  for $10,000. Tesla does not cost $10,000.
• 14:22
  If we allow China to dump their electric cars in America, there
• 14:24
  goes Tesla, there goes our American Electric car
• 14:26
  manufacturing. It's and it's a national
• 14:28
  security problem. There's a lot of problems.
• 14:29
  You have to put tariffs on the cars.
• 14:31
  Probably China will send them here regardless because so cheap
• 14:33
  and yeah, they're not be $10,000, but there's a value
• 14:36
  cars in America. There's a value.
• 14:37
  And by the way, because then Americans get those jobs.
• 14:39
  So, you know, you could say that free trade creates the lowest
• 14:41
  cost, but the only reason it creates the lowest cost is
• 14:43
  because they can undercut us with wages and with their lower
• 14:45
  standard of living and monetary policy that they have in their
• 14:47
  own country. So tariffs are essential for a
• 14:49
  holistic understanding of the economy.
• 14:51
  The increase in prices is marginal.
• 14:52
  It's not significant. And when you call it a consumer
• 14:55
  tax or sales tax, you know, that does matter because they're,
• 14:57
  they're conflating that with a VAT tax.
• 14:58
  That's very different the, the 1520% to the and I don't know
• 15:01
  that they're doing it on every country.
• 15:02
  So I'll take their word for it. It it's not going to be passed
• 15:04
  down to consumers beyond a marginal amount.
• 15:05
  That's one terms of you said, oh, well, Trump had more deficit
• 15:07
  spending. Almost all of that is accounted
• 15:09
  for by the pandemic. Almost all of them.
• 15:10
  You say, well, the Trump had a six, $8 trillion deficit.
• 15:13
  That was because of the COVID stimulus, the PPP, the cash
• 15:15
  payments, almost all of it. And here's the point, Hang on,
• 15:18
  hang on, I'll let you finish. You said so the structural
• 15:21
  problems with deficit spending, they're there under Trump,
• 15:23
  they're there under Harris. And by the way, Republicans
• 15:25
  tried to get limitations on the deficit.
• 15:27
  That's what they got elected on. Republicans regained control of
• 15:29
  Congress in 22, saying they limit the deficit.
• 15:31
  They negotiated it over the debt ceiling negotiations last year.
• 15:34
  They negotiated it over military appropriations last year with
• 15:36
  October 1st deadline, tried to negotiate it this year.
• 15:38
  Democrats wouldn't come to the table on deficit reduction
• 15:40
  either way. Like the deficit is baked into
• 15:42
  the cake. OK.
• 15:42
  The debt is $30 trillion. Interest rates are high,
• 15:44
  interest to service the debt is going up.
• 15:46
  Neither Harris or Trump is meaningfully going to reduce the
• 15:48
  debt or the deficit. So let's just move without
• 15:50
  bringing down Social Security and Medicare.
• 15:51
  Just forget about it without bringing down the military.
• 15:53
  It's not going to happen. You know, and there are these
• 15:55
  extraordinary measures like COVID and Ukraine war.
• 15:57
  It's really not here nor there Also.
• 15:58
  I mean, I think deficit is really besides the point if you
• 16:00
  want to get further into the time for.
• 16:01
  A Republican say that, by the way.
• 16:02
  Yeah, well. I'm I'm not a normal Republic.
• 16:04
  I'm not like a fiscal conservative.
• 16:05
  OK, look, the deficit, the what's that you.
• 16:06
  Might have responded to the points you made so far.
• 16:08
  Yeah, go ahead. Like what you said.
• 16:09
  Sure. So, like, first of all, real
• 16:10
  quick dating. I'm not cutting you off.
• 16:11
  Oh, guys, we have 10 minutes on this topic.
• 16:12
  Just 10 minutes on this topic. Go ahead.
• 16:14
  OK, OK. Right.
• 16:14
  So the first claim that you made that that tariff isn't passed
• 16:16
  off to the consumer. Yeah, that's wrong.
• 16:18
  Because what would the point of the tariff be then?
• 16:19
  OK, we see an increase in domestic production given
• 16:21
  tariffs because that is passed off to the consumer.
• 16:23
  Would you be there? No, absolutely not.
• 16:24
  OK, so. The point The point of the
• 16:25
  tariff not thinking about the. Manufacturer because when you
• 16:27
  produce something in China, you can.
• 16:28
  Make it for cheaper so your margin is bigger so you can oh
• 16:30
  you make it more expensive for the consumer.
• 16:32
  At the grocery store by imposing those tariffs right and then not
• 16:34
  exactly with you again because the the.
• 16:35
  China will pay the tariff to get their goods to the market
• 16:37
  because they need to the market. But then why won't we?
• 16:39
  Buy it because it costs more money, right?
• 16:40
  And that's my whole argument is that tariffs cause the end
• 16:42
  consumer to pay more at the grocery store, to pay more at
• 16:44
  Best Buy, to pay more at the car dealership.
• 16:46
  Do you know what it's a tax on? It's a tax on an import.
• 16:48
  And there's another point that you brought up there about how
• 16:50
  we want to, like, spur domestic production of goods.
• 16:51
  I don't disagree. I absolutely agree we should
• 16:53
  have a more industrialized economy where we produce goods
• 16:55
  here on America. We just disagree on how we get
• 16:57
  there. Right.
• 16:58
  I right. I get there without tariffs.
• 16:59
  Yeah, sure. Right.
• 17:00
  By driving further competition through the natural, through the
• 17:02
  natural market. We do that via investment, we do
• 17:04
  that by. Investing in money.
• 17:05
  I'm sorry, investing in. Money.
• 17:06
  That's crazy investing in the US producers of goods like the
• 17:08
  Chips and Science Act under Biden and Harris administration
• 17:10
  that invested billions of dollars in the US producers to
• 17:12
  further drive competition right with those imported goods.
• 17:14
  Just a few via, just via innovation in the product,
• 17:15
  right, And the fact that you as a conservative are sitting here
• 17:17
  telling me that we need a government to impose a
• 17:19
  regulation on the free market by tariffing those goods that are
• 17:22
  being imported to our country. Yes, No, you know what I mean.
• 17:24
  Well, it may be new to you. Because like, your only context
• 17:26
  of a Republican is like Reagan. But if you go back to Henry Clay
• 17:29
  and Friedrich List and the American system, Alexander
• 17:31
  Hamilton, the country was basically funded by tariffs
• 17:33
  until we had an income tax. OK, we only had an income tax
• 17:36
  100 years ago. Before that, the federal
• 17:37
  government made its money from tariffs.
• 17:39
  Basic mercantilism, because we want to make the stuff.
• 17:41
  And by the way, when you say, well, we're just going to
• 17:43
  invest, it doesn't work. China's dollar goes three times
• 17:45
  as far because the standard of living is lower.
• 17:47
  They're rich in raw materials. They have an endless supply of
• 17:50
  Labor, cheap labor. The idea you're going to chip
• 17:52
  some sciences your way out of China having systemic
• 17:54
  advantages, economic factors of production like labor.
• 17:56
  They have a billion and a half people.
• 17:57
  You're not going to pass a bill that's going to that's going to
• 17:59
  change those fundamental imbalances in the economy.
• 18:01
  We have, we have, we have entrepreneurship, they have
• 18:03
  labor. OK, that's the same reason, hang
• 18:05
  on. And it's the same reason why
• 18:06
  we're we're even like again. Exhibit AY, Dean is about to get
• 18:10
  bitch for the rest of this debate.
• 18:13
  Dean is just talking the normal talking points that you could
• 18:16
  say to any normie that they wouldn't have a way to refute
• 18:19
  when you actually talk to somebody who knows what the fuck
• 18:22
  they're talking about. When Dean talks to anybody who
• 18:24
  has any knowledge he gets he gets killed every single time.
• 18:28
  It happened on Jubilee when he had somebody who had actual
• 18:31
  knowledge come and talk to him. Happened with Kai Schwimmer
• 18:34
  multiple times. Mogged him in a debate now with
• 18:36
  Nick Fuentes when we try. To they call it friend shoring.
• 18:40
  We're going to take our factories from China and give
• 18:41
  them to our allies like Philippines.
• 18:43
  It's still going to China because they have all the cheap
• 18:44
  labor. You just can't compete with
• 18:46
  that. You can't compete with the fact
• 18:47
  that they make everything they have all the people.
• 18:49
  So you, you agree that we should reindustrialize.
• 18:51
  You literally cannot do that unless you protect industry.
• 18:53
  And by the way, China has tariffs too.
• 18:54
  All countries have tariffs. We're the country that doesn't
• 18:56
  have tariffs. They're eating our lunch as a
• 18:58
  result. So you know, that's just not
• 18:59
  true. What you're saying isn't true.
• 19:00
  No, Donald Trump's taking away the average Americans lunch as a
• 19:02
  result. Like once again, we've already
• 19:04
  went over our tariffs can cause prices at the grocery sort of go
• 19:06
  higher every single time. We've historically increased
• 19:07
  tariffs. In China, what have we seen?
• 19:08
  A reduction in US agriculture exports?
• 19:09
  What did Trump have to do? When you post tariffs on China,
• 19:11
  hit a bail out of American farmers with $28 billion.
• 19:13
  You say you want American industrialization, you say you
• 19:15
  want more US production goods. But then you also say that you
• 19:17
  want these tariffs on China to absolutely destroy American
• 19:19
  farmers and you want the average American to be worse off,
• 19:20
  meaning they have less economic ability to come start a business
• 19:22
  in the 1st place. This is why Common Airs's tax
• 19:24
  policy is. Better right, because it's not
• 19:25
  Democrat. Talking points.
• 19:26
  OK, well, can you dispute? Them.
• 19:27
  Yeah, like I said, tariffs. The other country will pay the
• 19:29
  cost of the tariff. OK.
• 19:30
  You're saying consumers will pay it and that's just wrong.
• 19:31
  OK. Trump administration, hang on,
• 19:33
  Trump administration, Trump. I'll give you a perfect example.
• 19:35
  Trump administration implemented tariffs against Canada, against
• 19:38
  Europe, against China. Inflation was, hang on,
• 19:40
  inflation was like 1.3% under Trump.
• 19:43
  OK, so if what you're saying is true, that the cost of the
• 19:45
  tariff would be passed down to the consumer, one to one or even
• 19:47
  significantly, inflation would not remain at or around 1%.
• 19:50
  Why? If, if and by the way, by the
• 19:51
  administration has tariffs too. Inflation is very high, but the
• 19:53
  cost of goods going up has everything to do with fuel
• 19:55
  prices going up. Hey guys, we got 4.
• 19:56
  In Ukraine, everything to do with very crucial point with the
• 20:00
  quantitative easing. If they don't cause, if they
• 20:02
  don't cause inflation of the pricing of goods at the grocery
• 20:03
  store, then why would we see an increase in domestic production?
• 20:06
  Because. It will make it competitive for
• 20:08
  America to make the same thing if China because it's so it's
• 20:11
  basic math. If it costs, I'm going to if you
• 20:13
  stop interrupting me. If it costs less to make
• 20:16
  something in China because they have abundant labor than it does
• 20:18
  in the United States, then China can sell it at a lower price
• 20:21
  because their cost is lower. But if we make them pay more to
• 20:25
  bring their goods to the market, then they have to sell it for
• 20:28
  more or they have to pay the tariff and they make less
• 20:30
  profit. And that makes it profitable for
• 20:32
  American companies to make your Chinese products cost more
• 20:36
  consumer, it adds. But who pays the cost?
• 20:39
  China pays the cost to bring it to the market, not the consumer.
• 20:42
  And who pays the cost once it's in the?
• 20:43
  Market, well, the consumer does. Thank you.
• 20:46
  But they're buying. But they're.
• 20:47
  Buying what they're already buying.
• 20:47
  They're just buying it from an American producer.
• 20:50
  Yeah. For a higher price, right, Yeah,
• 20:51
  so the. For a slightly marginally higher
• 20:53
  price, so we can have American production, OK, OK.
• 20:55
  But. There's our economy scale.
• 20:56
  It it stimulates American industry and then America's able
• 20:59
  to produce what China would ordinarily produce.
• 21:02
  OK, all right. And.
• 21:02
  America will produce it for a more expensive price because we
• 21:05
  don't have as cheap of Labor it protects.
• 21:07
  It protects the American industry, which causes.
• 21:09
  Inflation, right, Can. You agree with me that marginal,
• 21:11
  marginal it's so? Funny because they want to like,
• 21:14
  like the Democrats are the ones who are like, you guys are white
• 21:17
  people are slave owners and racists and Nazis.
• 21:20
  And then it's like all they want to do is abuse foreign slave
• 21:23
  labor all they like. They're so cool with abusing
• 21:26
  foreign slave labor and we're like, no, let's make it in
• 21:28
  America. Let's make it without the slave
• 21:30
  labor and they're like, oh, but it will cost 30 more cents for
• 21:34
  my matcha. It's like, you gay bitch, shut
• 21:36
  up. Like shut the fuck up.
• 21:38
  Marginal increases, but either way, we're getting somewhere,
• 21:40
  but it's really not here. Well, and I said that earlier,
• 21:42
  so it's the same thing. But either way, the Biden
• 21:43
  administration has tariffs too. So it's basically a moot point.
• 21:46
  You know, it's not even because once again, he wants to impose
• 21:47
  tariffs on. Oh, you disagree with the Biden
• 21:49
  administration's policy, right? Absolutely.
• 21:50
  Right. OK, So what is inauguration?
• 21:52
  Trump had tariffs. Biden has tariffs.
• 21:54
  No tariffs. Protect industry in.
• 21:55
  America, you support that no so the.
• 21:58
  Reason this isn't this is the reason that this is a bad
• 22:00
  argument is because Trump's are white tariffs, right?
• 22:01
  Violent minotis isn't evidently clear.
• 22:02
  I think what you're trying to do is kind of confuse people
• 22:04
  between me saying that tariffs that Biden and Harrison post
• 22:06
  were bad and me saying that when Donald Trump is elected, he
• 22:08
  wants to impose all tariffs and all of those, not Trump's,
• 22:10
  right? One is just not Trump another.
• 22:11
  OK, so you're not? They're not putting tariffs on
• 22:13
  all imported goods, OK, Does he? Just want to keep the ones on
• 22:15
  China. It's gonna be on, I don't know,
• 22:17
  the Trump policy, but it's not on all imported goods.
• 22:18
  That's. OK, so then how is he gonna pay
• 22:20
  for the? $4.8 trillion associate.
• 22:21
  You. Can Fact Check that borrow?
• 22:22
  Like they pay for all the like how they pay for 175 billion to
• 22:26
  and what's. The biggest expense of our
• 22:27
  government liabilities. Liabilities.
• 22:29
  No, it's Medicare social that's. Totally wrong.
• 22:31
  No, the the biggest. Expense of our federal
• 22:32
  government is interest on debt. Totally wrong.
• 22:35
  OK, I I. Don't think that's wrong, it's
• 22:36
  liabilities totally correct. OK, we're wrapping up.
• 22:38
  On time here. Let's You're wrong on the Trump
• 22:39
  policy. You're wrong on spending OK one
• 22:40
  minute closing. To Dean started so we'll one
• 22:42
  minute closing for Dean and then one minute for.
• 22:46
  Nick. Oh, you can go first.
• 22:48
  Nick who? Gave the first opening
• 22:49
  statement. You were me.
• 22:50
  It was Dean who started first, yeah.
• 22:51
  So Dean, that means I go last that.
• 22:52
  Means I go last and then Dean. The next one, Nick, will start.
• 22:55
  OK, all right, yeah, that's fine.
• 22:56
  I was just looking first to justify what I said there.
• 22:58
  So yeah, my closing statement would just be right.
• 22:59
  Obviously, I think the economic policy is a very prime reason to
• 23:01
  vote for Kamala Harris because she's gonna make the average
• 23:02
  American better off Donald Trump is not gonna make the average
• 23:04
  American better off. He's gonna make them worse off
• 23:05
  with his tariffs, right? Nick essentially did concede
• 23:07
  there, saying that tariffs do cost higher prices for the
• 23:08
  consumers at the grocery store. And then Nick also just kind of
• 23:10
  says that he doesn't really care about debt.
• 23:11
  OK, so if you want more debt, vote for Donald Trump because
• 23:13
  he's going to throw $5.8 trillion on our nation set.
• 23:15
  Meanwhile, Kamal Harris's proposed tax policy is gonna be
• 23:17
  self-sufficient for the 10 year lifespan of the bill.
• 23:18
  And then one other final point here.
• 23:19
  There's much more reasons why Kamate here, there's a better
• 23:21
  candidate than Donald Trump that we didn't get a touch on, such
• 23:23
  as the fact that we probably shouldn't be voting for rapist.
• 23:25
  We probably shouldn't be voting for religious persecutor.
• 23:26
  We should probably be voting for the individual.
• 23:27
  That's what's doing trying federal protections for all 170
• 23:29
  million American women, girls, right to choose, right.
• 23:30
  And plenty of other reasons we didn't get to.
• 23:32
  And I'm sad that we didn't. And hopefully we might be able
• 23:34
  to get back around to it later, but I'm going to see the rest of
• 23:36
  my time take it away. Yeah.
• 23:37
  All right. Well, Aiden and.
• 23:38
  Sneaker, could we do immigration?
• 23:39
  I feel like that's a big one. We could do a few of these other
• 23:41
  issues real quick before the issue.
• 23:42
  Can you just do your statement? Really quick, yeah.
• 23:43
  Yeah, I'm just. Saying like, can we, can we make
• 23:45
  that? One of the topics, well, that's
• 23:46
  something we had to. Talk about prior Dean, if you'd
• 23:48
  like to as well, we can do that because next, can you repeat
• 23:50
  that? A little talk about if you keep
• 23:51
  going other subjects, but on subject to you guys agree not.
• 23:54
  Prior, if you guys agree to do immigration, we can do that next
• 23:56
  talk to you guys both agree. Yeah, you just want to see, I
• 23:58
  mean, maybe we get in at the end.
• 23:59
  I mean, 4 topics we agree there's we might be able to talk
• 24:01
  about it. OK.
• 24:02
  So please give your statement, Nick.
• 24:03
  Yeah. So I mean.
• 24:04
  My closing statement on Trump, I don't even think fiscal policy
• 24:06
  is the biggest issue. To me, that's really a side
• 24:08
  issue. And the reason is because both
• 24:10
  parties are profligate spenders. Republicans, Democrats are both
• 24:12
  profligate spenders. Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden,
• 24:14
  they're all huge spenders. They're huge spenders on the
• 24:15
  military. They're not touching
• 24:16
  liabilities. You know, there's talk about tax
• 24:18
  cuts increasing the deficit. You can look at the Laffer curve
• 24:20
  and, you know, debate whether that's really the case.
• 24:21
  I mean, the theory behind tax cuts is that it stimulates
• 24:24
  economic growth, which it certainly does.
• 24:25
  It brings in more tax revenue. Maybe you find that convincing,
• 24:27
  maybe you don't. The point is neither party's
• 24:29
  going to reign in the deficit. I just don't think it's an issue
• 24:31
  in terms of tariffs, The consensus has changed.
• 24:33
  Democrats and Republicans used to be free, used to be free
• 24:35
  traders. They're not anymore.
• 24:36
  Bill Clinton, Bush, Obama were free traders.
• 24:38
  They're just not anymore. Trump is not a free trader.
• 24:40
  Biden's not a free trader. Trump has tariffs.
• 24:42
  Biden has tariffs. And that's because there's a
• 24:43
  recognition that we need to have a supply chain in America. 85%
• 24:46
  of the economy in America is services.
• 24:48
  Only 15% is construction, agriculture and manufacturing.
• 24:49
  And this is a big, it's not only a national security issue, but
• 24:52
  it's also a jobs issue. We need to make stuff in
• 24:54
  America. The only way that we're going to
• 24:56
  beat these other countries that are undercutting us with wages
• 24:58
  is with tariffs to protect our industries.
• 24:59
  And yes, that does result in technically marginally higher
• 25:01
  consumer prices, but it's more important to have good jobs in
• 25:03
  industry. All right, that was.
• 25:04
  Good. So we can we'll circle back to
• 25:05
  Tropicanala, but to keep it on the subject, we have 4 very
• 25:07
  different topics real quick before.
• 25:08
  I just want to say thank you both for giving you guys.
• 25:10
  You know, you guys are very letting to the topic.
• 25:11
  So thank you. I appreciate that.
• 25:12
  Go go ahead, Nick, I'm sorry to cut you off.
• 25:14
  All right, so the next subject. That we agreed upon was
• 25:15
  Christianity. But to make it interesting,
• 25:16
  Nick, do you, we can be more specific.
• 25:18
  We cannot talk about Christian nationalism.
• 25:20
  Sure. OK, So the subject will be as
• 25:22
  Christian nationalism. And OK, well.
• 25:25
  Let's start with. Nick, because we started with
• 25:26
  Dean last time, but we'll do let's do 3 minute intro.
• 25:28
  I'll give you one minute warning and then I'll give Dean a 3
• 25:30
  minute intro and then we're free throwing.
• 25:31
  It's good so far, but it takes 4-3 minutes.
• 25:34
  OK, well, I. Believe that America should have
• 25:37
  a religious government. We should have a Christian
• 25:38
  Catholic government. And you know, we have to face
• 25:40
  the fact that liberalism has failed.
• 25:42
  And the best example that liberalism is failing is that
• 25:44
  we're not having enough kids. The society, the civilization
• 25:46
  that doesn't have kids will cease to exist and it will lose.
• 25:48
  And it is losing. Liberalism around the world is
• 25:50
  receding, and these more ancient tribal perennial cultures are
• 25:53
  thriving. Islam is the fastest growing
• 25:54
  religion. China is on the rise, tribalism,
• 25:56
  racialism, all these things, all these revanchist historic
• 25:59
  ideologies around the rise and they're all beating back
• 26:01
  liberalism because liberalism is weak, it is ineffectual, it's
• 26:04
  causing all kinds of perversity degeneracy.
• 26:06
  People are not having kids. It's it's just sort of like anti
• 26:08
  human and mimical to the human body.
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  So I mean, in addition to Catholicism and Christianity
• 26:12
  being true, liberalism is clearly bankrupt.
• 26:14
  Liberalism is clearly having a hard time.
• 26:16
  I think we should replace our state religion of liberalism
• 26:18
  with the state religion of Christianity.
• 26:19
  And I'm, I'm interested to see where Dean wants to take it
• 26:22
  because obviously it's a, it's a huge topic, but I think we
• 26:23
  should have a Catholic country, not a liberal atheist. 1 Yeah, I
• 26:26
  think that there's a lot of. Different ways that a
• 26:27
  conversation about Christian nationalism can go.
• 26:29
  I mean, I've debated people on Christian nationalism before
• 26:31
  that will concede even if Christianity is false, right?
• 26:32
  We should still be alright. A country that upholds Christian
• 26:34
  nationalism because it promotes better outcomes.
• 26:35
  But I think there's a couple points that I mean, I'd just
• 26:37
  like to respond to real quick about declining birth rates,
• 26:39
  immigration. That's crazy.
• 26:41
  Then about, you know, a couple of the other points that you
• 26:43
  brought up way like Team Pause is there.
• 26:45
  For a second and he's like, OK, he's 100% got an Airpod in or
• 26:51
  something in under those headphones or he's looking at
• 26:54
  like a shared no document with Parker or his Discord or
• 26:58
  something like that. And somehow with him, Parker and
• 27:03
  all the discord minds, he still gets absolutely raped by Nick in
• 27:06
  this debate. It's bad.
• 27:07
  Because it doesn't allow us to effectively legislate given like
• 27:10
  the Christian religion right we are we are allowed to believe
• 27:11
  that particular things are wrong because God says so you said
• 27:13
  that you're Catholic. I think in the Catholic faith
• 27:15
  you'll kind of have a different range on on how bad things are
• 27:17
  something can be immortal sin of Anielsen, but something that I'd
• 27:19
  say here that is a very abstract conclusion given Christian
• 27:21
  nationalism. It should like blasphemy.
• 27:22
  So like blasphemy has to find the Bible is the worst than
• 27:24
  anyone can commit. Does that mean that people
• 27:25
  should go to jail for life for blasphemy?
• 27:27
  Well, I don't, I don't know, because we know that people
• 27:28
  should go to jail for life for murder.
• 27:29
  And if blasphemy is worse than murder and we're operating under
• 27:31
  a system in a society with a government that legislates on
• 27:33
  the basis of the Bible and these foundational beliefs as
• 27:35
  prescribed by Christianity, are we going to start sending people
• 27:36
  to jail for blasphemy too? I don't see how you'd be able to
• 27:38
  respond to that. I don't.
• 27:39
  And then like a couple other things we could say the Bible
• 27:41
  promotes very harmful bad beliefs.
• 27:42
  And in one Samuel 15, three God tells Solomon's men to genocide
• 27:44
  the malachite men, women and girls.
• 27:45
  I bet if I was to engage in conversation with this guy
• 27:47
  specifically about one Samuel 53 will end up saying that
• 27:49
  sometimes genocides, OK, I'll live against 25 versus 44
• 27:51
  through 46. God tells the Israelites that
• 27:52
  they can only non Israelites human property for life.
• 27:54
  I mean, if I was having a conversation with this guy about
• 27:56
  that topic, he didn't know that no, slavery hasn't always been
• 27:57
  wrong alongside other things, right?
• 27:58
  So we could talk about how Christianity is false.
• 28:00
  We could talk about how it does allow us to effectively
• 28:02
  legislate. We could talk about the
• 28:03
  absurdities that are already present in Bible.
• 28:04
  But one last point that I'd like to bring up is if we're gonna
• 28:06
  make an argument on the basis of the efficacy and the outcomes in
• 28:08
  which we generate in society, which seemingly you started to
• 28:10
  there. Well, what do we find?
• 28:11
  Another religion that generates better outcomes than the one
• 28:12
  that you hold to. So the reason that you want a
• 28:14
  Christian nation is because it will promote human well-being
• 28:16
  and happiness. People are gonna be having more
• 28:17
  kids and following these commandments.
• 28:18
  They'll be doing good. No degeneracy, none of that
• 28:19
  shit. Well, what have I told you?
• 28:21
  That the LDS church had even better outcomes than the
• 28:22
  Catholic Church? Would you all the sudden be in
• 28:24
  support of an LDS LED state? Probably not.
• 28:25
  OK, right. So that's another contradiction
• 28:26
  on its own. So feel free to kind of pick and
• 28:28
  choose there. Respond to the point that you
• 28:29
  want to take it away so. You said about birth rates or
• 28:32
  immigration. Well, here's the problem, OK?
• 28:34
  One, the people that have liberalism are killing
• 28:36
  themselves, OK? So the people that that invented
• 28:38
  liberalism, that live in liberal societies, literally and
• 28:40
  figuratively are killing themselves.
• 28:42
  They're committing suicide. They're the guy that you were,
• 28:43
  OK. Are you going to interrupt me
• 28:44
  like 30 seconds into my rebuttal?
• 28:46
  That's crazy. No confidence liberalism.
• 28:47
  They commit suicide. They they die from desert
• 28:49
  despair. They're addicted to drugs, all
• 28:50
  kinds of things. They're all dying over there.
• 28:52
  OK, We're dying in America. We're dying in Europe.
• 28:54
  And by the way, and these people come from non liberal or
• 28:55
  illiberal societies and then their birth rate goes down.
• 28:58
  So even if you wanted to argue, Oh well, like we, you know, we
• 29:00
  could salvage liberalism with an endless supply of immigration
• 29:02
  from illiberal societies that have kids.
• 29:04
  When they get here, their birth rate goes down.
• 29:07
  And they all these are not liberal people.
• 29:08
  They come from illiberal places like China or Africa or Latin
• 29:11
  America. They come here, they assimilate.
• 29:13
  And within a few generations the birth rate goes down because
• 29:14
  liberalism is suicidal. With regard to the question
• 29:17
  about efficacy and outcomes, I'm not arguing that we should have
• 29:18
  the religion with the best efficacy.
• 29:20
  I said liberalism has failed, and we know it's failed because
• 29:22
  it's committing suicide. So clearly liberalism as as a
• 29:25
  system is not working. And that's why, you know, it's
• 29:27
  such a radical notion. People think that we would have
• 29:28
  blasphemy laws or religious laws.
• 29:30
  They think it's a radical notion.
• 29:31
  It's unthinkable. The current system must be
• 29:33
  replaced. It's an imperative.
• 29:34
  It's not a question of, you know, whether or how or anything
• 29:36
  like that. It simply must be because it
• 29:38
  will cease to exist. And so that's really the crush
• 29:39
  of the argument. You know why it should be
• 29:41
  Catholicism. It's because Catholicism is
• 29:42
  true. But the point I'm trying to make
• 29:43
  is for people that say, and it's it's so radical that we would go
• 29:46
  backwards. I would say we went backwards
• 29:48
  with liberalism, as evidenced by the fact that it's not even
• 29:50
  reproducing itself. And that's a huge problem with
• 29:51
  regard to the stuff about the Old Testament.
• 29:52
  I mean, look, the Catholic Church, Christians today are not
• 29:54
  in favor of genocide or slavery. You know, if you want to get
• 29:57
  into this is just like New Atheism 101, just like, are you
• 29:59
  an atheist? Let me just are you an atheist
• 30:01
  or something? I'm an agnostic, but I wouldn't
• 30:02
  particularly use. Versus the Bible, say that your
• 30:04
  religion is false. I use these verses in the Bible.
• 30:06
  Say that your religion's absurd to say no way, but I just wanted
• 30:08
  to ask. You that and then let me let me
• 30:10
  finish the last point. So it's very funny when atheists
• 30:12
  who have no objective source of morality, it's like, you know,
• 30:15
  their morality something like, hey, man, just leave everybody
• 30:16
  alone. What if I disagree?
• 30:18
  What if my morality says I want to kill everybody or something?
• 30:20
  What if the majority of people said our morality says, well, we
• 30:22
  want to harm and we want to rape and we want to do this and that?
• 30:24
  An atheist has no God that says, well, you know, so and so has
• 30:27
  the authority to say this is correct.
• 30:29
  That's a problem. And yeah, they have a problem.
• 30:30
  Blasphemy laws. It is good to have a God that is
• 30:32
  a source of authority that gives us our morality that is
• 30:35
  unquestionable. With regard to the old test, if
• 30:36
  you want to get into the debate about, you know, what's bad, I
• 30:38
  would start with the question of how do you know what's bad?
• 30:40
  I'm sorry, playing. Certain things are bad.
• 30:41
  You don't know where good and bad comes from.
• 30:43
  And how do we know the good and bad, or even real?
• 30:44
  If we're all material? If we're only atoms and we don't
• 30:47
  have souls, why does it matter what happens to any of us?
• 30:49
  I mean, what is justice? Is there such a thing as the
• 30:52
  conceptual? If there is only matter, where
• 30:54
  is the conceptual? Can we see it?
• 30:55
  Can we feel it? Is it located somewhere?
• 30:57
  Well, and I'm making. A point here, I'll wrap it up
• 30:59
  quickly. So for an atheist to point to
• 31:00
  the Old Testament and say, well, you know, how could a God who
• 31:03
  does these things be so immoral? I would say to the godless, what
• 31:06
  is moral and who are we if we're not just Stardust being
• 31:08
  rearranged? I mean, slavery, these things,
• 31:10
  these are conceptual. It can only exist with a with a
• 31:12
  real philosophical viewpoint, not with this kind of lame like
• 31:14
  spy daddy isn't real sort of stuff.
• 31:16
  So, you know, there's just a lot of assumptions there that kind
• 31:17
  of need to be interrogated. OK, Dean, I want.
• 31:19
  You to be interrogated and the the.
• 31:21
  Argument that people like Dean and a lot of these people make
• 31:23
  is they'll they'll point out things in the Old Testament not
• 31:26
  realizing that the New Testament supersedes the Old Testament
• 31:30
  because the fact. That you ask people, What if God
• 31:34
  said that? That's a question.
• 31:36
  That we need to ask. Then we would have to do it.
• 31:38
  Wait, really? If God told you to rape and kill
• 31:39
  a baby, would you do it? Well, God would never.
• 31:41
  Do that because God is good and those things are evil.
• 31:42
  OK, so raping. And killing is evil.
• 31:44
  So when he commands one Samuel 15 three, that was evil, God is
• 31:47
  telling us. To rape and kill babies right
• 31:48
  now, so specifically about killing in.
• 31:50
  One Samuel 15 three he did command, sullen his men to kill
• 31:51
  the Malachi babies, rape babies, he told.
• 31:53
  Them to rape babies? No to kill babies.
• 31:55
  Well, yeah, then if I. Were one of those guys I would
• 31:57
  have done it, but not rape him. OK, so if God commanded.
• 31:58
  You to kill a baby today, would you do it?
• 32:00
  Yes. OK, so why?
• 32:01
  Would you kill a baby? But you wouldn't rape a baby.
• 32:03
  Because that would be cruel or something.
• 32:05
  Would it kill a baby? In the Old Testament.
• 32:07
  It worked differently. No, I'm talking about.
• 32:09
  The fallen world. You particularly said that you
• 32:10
  would kill a baby today if God asked you.
• 32:11
  Exactly. But if not, told us to rape a
• 32:13
  baby if God asked you. So not going to rape a baby
• 32:14
  today, but not rape a baby because the context.
• 32:16
  Of the Old Testament is that it's a fallen world and that's
• 32:18
  the context you're talking about you said that in in the Old
• 32:20
  Testament we're not talking about please we're not talking
• 32:22
  about wait wait if we're. Not talking about.
• 32:24
  The Old Testament What are we talking about?
• 32:26
  About the fact that. You told me today if God
• 32:27
  commanded you to kill a baby, you to do it.
• 32:29
  And then I followed that up by asking you if God commanded you
• 32:31
  to rape a baby, would you do it? And you said God would do that.
• 32:33
  OK, so. Killing a baby today you would
• 32:34
  do if God commanded it. But raping a baby today you
• 32:36
  wouldn't do because God wouldn't command.
• 32:37
  But you? First of all, are you making the
• 32:38
  implication that killing a baby today isn't evil?
• 32:40
  No. What you.
• 32:41
  Said, is that in? Hang on, hang on, let's rewind.
• 32:43
  Let's rewind because you said in the Bible God says to rape
• 32:45
  babies. Can you just rewind?
• 32:47
  No, if you rewind. Yeah.
• 32:48
  OK, People can rewind the clip, he said, telling rape babies,
• 32:50
  'cause he got a little rape people a little ahead of
• 32:52
  yourself. He's got a little ahead of
• 32:53
  yourself now. We really clear this up so
• 32:54
  easily. If I said God commanded it's all
• 32:56
  in his meant to rape babies in one Samuel 15 three, I misspoke.
• 32:59
  In one Samuel 15 three, God commands all babies.
• 33:00
  But you are not answering my question.
• 33:02
  This is a game on answer. Every single person watching the
• 33:04
  stream can see that. You said if God commanded you to
• 33:06
  kill a baby today, you said you would do it.
• 33:07
  Can you affirm the Star series? It's like like a girl you don't
• 33:11
  want to argue with. Like when a girl is just fucking
• 33:13
  yelling at you, repeating her points and you're like, yeah,
• 33:15
  yeah, yeah, just shut up. It's just shut the fuck up.
• 33:18
  Like that's literally what it's like.
• 33:20
  He he's just insufferable. We are being dead serious.
• 33:23
  Can you affirm the? Fact that you said God told you
• 33:24
  to kill a baby. Don't be serious, don't we?
• 33:26
  Grow up. Why would we make my?
• 33:27
  Question. Well, because we're talking
• 33:28
  about. The Old Testament, are we not?
• 33:29
  Dude, we're talking about today. How many?
• 33:30
  Times. Do I need to say that you're
• 33:31
  talking about the old? Testament.
• 33:32
  You're citing the Old Testament. You're talking about a specific
• 33:34
  verse in the Old Testament. Oh my God.
• 33:35
  You can look, you can get though we confirm that we're talking
• 33:37
  about the Old Testament. Is that correct?
• 33:38
  What are we talking about exactly?
• 33:40
  I'll tell you exactly what we're talking about.
• 33:41
  We're talking about the fact that I asked you a damning
• 33:43
  hypothetical question. I asked you.
• 33:44
  It's not. It's a cheap, it's a cheap
• 33:46
  context, No? No, it's a cheap context.
• 33:47
  Because you know that you're losing, Yeah.
• 33:49
  The Old Testament says bad things in it.
• 33:51
  I know. I'm a new atheist and I just
• 33:52
  discovered. Here, here's my answer to your
• 33:54
  question if you allow me to answer it.
• 33:55
  I know you want a cheap gotcha question, but let's add a little
• 33:57
  context. The Old Testament takes place in
• 33:58
  a fallen world. We live in a fallen world
• 34:00
  because we have free will. OK, God created human beings.
• 34:02
  Human beings disobeyed God all. Right, we're going to get this
• 34:06
  fixed. What the fuck?
• 34:08
  That's retarded. All right, one moment.
• 34:29
  There we go. And sins because.
• 34:32
  We disobey God and sin. We have the penalty of death,
• 34:34
  war, shame, guilt, pain and birth.
• 34:36
  All these things. In the fallen world, people
• 34:38
  kill. In the fallen world, people
• 34:40
  kill. People lie, cheat, steal.
• 34:41
  Cain kills Abel in the world, the fallen world before Jesus
• 34:45
  Christ arrived. It was a world with slavery and
• 34:47
  warfare and iniquity. It is in this context that God
• 34:50
  commanded the chosen people to kill certain tribes, to
• 34:53
  establish their survival, to secure a line for the coming of
• 34:55
  the Messiah. God does not approve of killing
• 34:57
  because it says in the 10 commandments thou shalt not
• 34:59
  kill. God does not approve of rape
• 35:00
  because it says thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife, and
• 35:02
  so on and so forth. So God obviously does not
• 35:04
  support killing. Raping.
• 35:06
  Would you kill a? Rape a baby?
• 35:07
  No, but in the Bible. God prescribes laws and specific
• 35:11
  actions at the beginning of the world, which was fallen without
• 35:14
  Christ, without a Savior and sin for the survival of the chosen
• 35:16
  people. So the rules worked a little bit
• 35:18
  differently in the Old Testament.
• 35:19
  It doesn't mean that. And of course, taking a life in
• 35:21
  and of itself. Hang on, there's a difference.
• 35:23
  Everybody knows between killing and murder.
• 35:25
  If I go and murder you for no reason, that's immoral.
• 35:26
  If I kill in self-defense or self-defense of my children,
• 35:28
  it's a different story. God commanding the people of the
• 35:30
  Old Testament is an extraordinary exception based on
• 35:32
  the fallen Old World. That's 12 when Jesus Christ
• 35:35
  arise, he fulfills the law and saves people from hell.
• 35:38
  Before Jesus Christ, right, only people go to heaven and it was
• 35:40
  world in equity and Jesus Christ changed, created this modern
• 35:43
  world of living. So no, there's the thing.
• 35:44
  God is an authority if God. Demands.
• 35:46
  Look, I know it's complicated into Destiny Drive.
• 35:50
  But it's actually we were talking about people, people so.
• 35:55
  Does that mean that God is not an authority?
• 35:57
  Of course not. God is an authority.
• 35:58
  Would God command us to do those things today?
• 36:00
  Probably not. But if he did in a hypothetical
• 36:01
  scenario, we'd have to trust God if we truly believe in God.
• 36:03
  Otherwise you would say something like we know more than
• 36:05
  God or God is not good or we're better than God and that negates
• 36:07
  the concept of a God or good itself.
• 36:09
  So that that's my answer to your Oh, so when you.
• 36:11
  Say killing babies, there's it ties into like.
• 36:12
  Abortion policy. It's just like cheap low IQ left
• 36:15
  wing bullshit. But anyway, go ahead.
• 36:17
  Cool. Thank you.
• 36:17
  So. I hear everything that you just
• 36:18
  said. I will give that a great
• 36:19
  response. I sure did.
• 36:21
  But before I give that a response, I wanted to take a
• 36:22
  brief moment to go back to the question that I was attempting
• 36:24
  to. I understand that you're just
• 36:26
  going to give me the story of the only new covenant.
• 36:27
  We had different rules before the other side came back down,
• 36:29
  created a new covenant whenever I get it.
• 36:30
  Thank you. OK, but the question that I
• 36:31
  asked you was if God commanded you to kill a baby, would you do
• 36:34
  it? You said yes.
• 36:35
  I then asked you like cuentas, if God commanded you to rape a
• 36:37
  baby, would you do it? And you should know that's too
• 36:39
  cruel if you like to take 15 seconds to kind of clear up that
• 36:41
  gap, like, does that make the implication that killing the
• 36:43
  baby? I answered the question.
• 36:44
  I answered the question, you didn't.
• 36:46
  OK. Is this a debate about Christian
• 36:47
  nationalism or is this like a weird new atheist?
• 36:49
  By the way, why do you think killing is wrong?
• 36:51
  Where do you get that information from?
• 36:52
  So first of all, I don't. Think killing is inherently
• 36:54
  wrong. I think that murder is wrong.
• 36:55
  OK, OK, so. You agree with me then, right?
• 36:56
  And then what I'd say. Here about murder is that's just
• 36:58
  going to be driven given my intuitions.
• 36:59
  I'm a subjectivist. We all know this, but I think
• 37:00
  you are too. Would you agree with this
• 37:01
  objectivist? Would you agree?
• 37:02
  With me that. Objectivism can be defined as
• 37:03
  like a stance, independent, like truth.
• 37:07
  It's an independent truth. What did you say?
• 37:08
  I didn't hear you like stance independent.
• 37:09
  Truth. That's what it means.
• 37:10
  Stance Independent. Truth.
• 37:12
  Yeah, all. The Independent.
• 37:13
  Truth are that there is independent truth.
• 37:15
  OK, wow, the. Sense Construction.
• 37:16
  Doesn't make sense. OK, so like in like.
• 37:18
  In like philosophy, right, when we're referencing terms such as
• 37:20
  moral objectivism or moral subjectivism, we define
• 37:21
  objectivism Given like when I say murder is wrong, that is
• 37:23
  true independent of any stance of any actor of any mind.
• 37:25
  OK, when I say yeah, no, I understand.
• 37:26
  What you're saying I don't understand the the construction.
• 37:28
  I'm not. You're like mumbling yourself.
• 37:29
  Yeah, there's an independent truth.
• 37:31
  Yes. OK, so is.
• 37:32
  Moral Is morality independent of God?
• 37:34
  No. No, because God is.
• 37:35
  Morality. God is good, so.
• 37:36
  Morality is subject to God. OK, could God create a?
• 37:40
  Box so heavy he couldn't lift it Yeah that's great so if you
• 37:42
  believe that I didn't give you my.
• 37:44
  Prediction. I just showed you that.
• 37:45
  I know, I know. Thank you.
• 37:46
  So, so where do you believe that that killing is wrong then?
• 37:50
  So you believe it's subjective? You don't believe it's
• 37:51
  absolutely wrong? 10 minutes.
• 37:52
  Right. What's that?
• 37:53
  What's that in 10 minutes, guys? Great.
• 37:55
  Yeah. So I mean, I could kind of give
• 37:57
  you a little bit of an overview of my of my of my stance here on
• 38:00
  rally. So metaphically, you know, just
• 38:01
  gonna be subjectivist, relativist, when we like to when
• 38:03
  we like to reference like why I think things are wrong.
• 38:05
  It's just gonna be like given drift my intuitions.
• 38:07
  I mean, like we could talk about different frameworks.
• 38:09
  I myself and what is called a threshold, the ontologist
• 38:11
  meaning that I believe that like particular things could be
• 38:13
  always wrong, but meanwhile we should consider like the
• 38:14
  consequences of others. It's pretty interesting.
• 38:16
  Is Holocaust wrong? Yeah, Holocaust was.
• 38:17
  Wrong. Objectively, no.
• 38:17
  Because some objective truths in the context of morality doesn't
• 38:19
  exist. Nothing.
• 38:20
  Your opinion is. Wrong.
• 38:20
  It doesn't exist. In your opinion is wrong and in.
• 38:22
  Accordance. With my index standard, it's
• 38:23
  wrong. Yeah, but I mean, just saying,
• 38:24
  oh, you believe in you believe in subjectivism.
• 38:26
  But I'm gonna like counter that by asking you, is it objectively
• 38:28
  wrong? That doesn't really achieve
• 38:29
  anything. I could literally what is your
• 38:30
  what is your qualification? What's objectively wrong?
• 38:31
  Of course it was wrong. Of course.
• 38:32
  But you disagreed with me that morality is subject to God
• 38:35
  because morality is God. It's it's identity, not wait,
• 38:37
  God is identical to morality. Yes, God is good.
• 38:39
  God is the good. OK, So when I say that like
• 38:41
  hugging your mom is good, I'm just saying the hugging your mom
• 38:42
  is God. Yes.
• 38:43
  OK. So.
• 38:44
  Can you just say that for me? Like every single time you kiss
• 38:46
  your wife. That's a really good thing to
• 38:48
  do, love. Is good an act of love that
• 38:51
  expresses love is good God is the good.
• 38:53
  God is being itself. We are participating in being.
• 38:56
  Oh wait, we don't. Have some more issues here
• 38:57
  because earlier you told me that God would never command you to
• 38:59
  like rape a baby because that's evil.
• 39:00
  But now you're saying that God is identical to goodness.
• 39:02
  Meaning if God is all powerful in the sense that he could do
• 39:04
  anything that's logically possible and he's identical to
• 39:06
  goodness, why wouldn't he be able to tell you to grape to
• 39:07
  rape a baby? Could you say Grape?
• 39:09
  I did tick tock. Words I know, I know well.
• 39:11
  God also tells us that God. That God's plan is very complex.
• 39:14
  Why won't you answer my question?
• 39:16
  Because these are just. Like low IQ?
• 39:17
  No, that's not a low IQ. Point at all literally talking
• 39:19
  about what goodness is, what it's derivative and how it apply
• 39:21
  to your God. Actually we strap this out to
• 39:22
  the problem of evil as a whole, right?
• 39:24
  Like you actually said earlier, you think the cost is
• 39:25
  objectively wrong. What you say all happened if it
• 39:27
  happened at? All by the way, but in theory.
• 39:33
  What the fuck this. Guys over here saying is the
• 39:36
  Holocaust happened but he asked me if the Holocaust is
• 39:38
  objectively wrong. Get a load of this, Joker ask
• 39:40
  you a fucking get a lot of this. Joker Oh yeah, get a little.
• 39:42
  About another joke, what do you got?
• 39:45
  A lot of this you want to tell me.
• 39:47
  Another joke. Keep talking.
• 39:47
  I'm gonna ask a question. What do you say, all things
• 39:49
  considered? That the Holocaust is wrong if
• 39:51
  it were real. Yes, yes it is and it is.
• 39:53
  And it actually. You're so fucking spineless.
• 39:56
  In front of 40. 5000 people and say that the most that has ever.
• 39:59
  Happened. Mystery might not have happened.
• 40:01
  I would ask you a question. How the fuck do you know that
• 40:02
  Jesus resurrected from the dead but you don't know the Holocaust
• 40:04
  happened? Please answer that question.
• 40:06
  Shroud of Taurus, Shroud of Turin that's been taking the
• 40:08
  Shroud of Turin is a more reliable standard for evidence
• 40:10
  than the 250. Then the things that the
• 40:12
  Holocaust exist. Listen, this isn't a Holocaust
• 40:14
  debate. Let's try to stay focused.
• 40:14
  This is a Christianity debate. Let's talk about it.
• 40:16
  The Shroud of Turin specifically, we had four
• 40:17
  different group of scientists take different parts to take
• 40:20
  different. Parts of things to do.
• 40:21
  Anything after 400 years. I'm just saying it's a lot of
• 40:23
  people. No, no, I want you to tell me
• 40:24
  how the fuck you know that Jesus rose from the dead with a lack
• 40:27
  of idiot historical evidence that exists from a calm down.
• 40:29
  A lifetime from a first person calm down.
• 40:30
  That's factual debate. This is a factual.
• 40:33
  Debate, Pamela Tampon, Tim Yeah, go to tampon.
• 40:35
  Demos is about facts 1 Shroud. Of Turin, impossible to create
• 40:38
  other than with Jesus ascending into heaven.
• 40:40
  That's 1-2. All I'm saying is.
• 40:42
  All I'm saying is that's a lot of bodies.
• 40:44
  Unless we forgot the technology to cremate them.
• 40:47
  Look, I don't know. I wasn't there and you were any
• 40:48
  shroud of turn. Wait, wait.
• 40:49
  So you're telling me that it was absolutely impossible for some
• 40:51
  possible impossible for the Shroud of Turn to exist?
• 40:53
  Then please, you don't have fax. Then please tell your wife, Max.
• 40:55
  Tell me why the earliest carbon dating on the Shroud of Turn
• 40:57
  that we've gotten from the material used to create the the
• 40:59
  Shroud of Turn is like from 1200 AD?
• 41:01
  That's not true. That's not true.
• 41:02
  It's. Either 400 and that's not.
• 41:04
  Even true, they just did a new study on it and they proved it's
• 41:05
  100% real. They they proved it's. 100%
• 41:07
  real. It's 100.
• 41:08
  Percent, it's like super real. That's what we have secular
• 41:11
  stories that testified the Jesus was a real person and was
• 41:13
  justified. Joseph's Tacitus.
• 41:16
  Let's get her facts straight. He was Jewish.
• 41:18
  He was Jewish. OK, he was Jewish, I mean non
• 41:20
  Christian. Thank you for the clarification.
• 41:21
  Is it? Are we?
• 41:22
  Good, I mean non Christian. Are we good?
• 41:23
  You know what I meant? I mean, if you were to say that
• 41:26
  a Christian source is biased, then arguably a non Christian
• 41:28
  source would be unbiased. That's the point.
• 41:29
  Josephus, Tacitus. But you also have the earliest
• 41:30
  versions of the gospel stories going back to the 1st century.
• 41:32
  The earliest fragments of it go back to the 1st century.
• 41:35
  And you have people that went to their death.
• 41:36
  That's part of why Christianity spread.
• 41:37
  They went to their death. The Christians were martyred
• 41:39
  testifying that they saw a resurrected Jesus.
• 41:40
  Liars don't go to their death testifying that something
• 41:42
  happened. If it didn't, certainly not
• 41:43
  excuse me, 11, not 12 of them or every single one of them.
• 41:46
  And that is the basis of how it's spread in the ancient
• 41:48
  world. So I mean, there's there's a
• 41:50
  shroud of Torin, there's non Christian historians, there's a
• 41:52
  fragment of the gospel. Yeah.
• 41:54
  So. It's.
• 41:54
  The prophecies that are fulfilled.
• 41:55
  By Jesus in the New Testament. The shot.
• 41:56
  Of turn that. Shit just goes straight out the
• 41:57
  fucking window. We have carbon dated it.
• 41:59
  Not a piece of it dates back to when Jesus was alive.
• 42:01
  In accordance with you, see if it's impacted as what you
• 42:02
  reported. Carbon dating a slawed carbon
• 42:04
  dating. A slawed and there was a it's.
• 42:06
  Earlier than it is, but we just and that's not true.
• 42:07
  Well. One, it's not real because
• 42:08
  carbon dating says it like dinosaurs.
• 42:10
  And how do we know that it? Was and 22.
• 42:11
  There was a recent study done. Two, there was a recent study
• 42:13
  that was done that showed that it literally would not even be
• 42:16
  possible using the technology at the time to create a forgery, so
• 42:19
  it had to have been created. By something with luminosity
• 42:21
  that just didn't exist back then for it to imprint throughout the
• 42:24
  entire shroud. They didn't have that kind of
• 42:25
  technology back. I have a question.
• 42:26
  It's possible to create any other way.
• 42:27
  Do you want to ask your question here?
• 42:28
  OK, so I like this argument. Let's just go ahead and say that
• 42:30
  you're right. It was impossible to create
• 42:31
  without some sort of divinity. Jesus Christ is a prophet of the
• 42:34
  Islamic religion. Can you please give me any
• 42:36
  reason to believe that Christianity is true more so
• 42:38
  than Islam being true as given the question, luminosity could
• 42:42
  be granted either Islam being true.
• 42:43
  Do you know what Muslims true? Let me ask you this.
• 42:44
  Question do you know what Muslims believe about Jesus
• 42:46
  Christ and the crucifixion? Can you tell him God He.
• 42:48
  Didn't actually die on the cross.
• 42:49
  I'm gonna and his shoes. Oh.
• 42:50
  Oh, So what was the shroud? Of Turin, do you know?
• 42:53
  Oh, it was over him. In the burial so.
• 42:55
  So how would we know Islam isn't true?
• 42:57
  Well, let's see, if he wasn't actually crucified, then how
• 42:59
  would they lay the the shroud over his body and his soul leave
• 43:02
  to make the imprint? So it doesn't you don't even
• 43:03
  talk. I mean, no, you don't know.
• 43:04
  We're talking about trying to get out on the fly.
• 43:06
  Doesn't even know, doesn't even know the order of how could how
• 43:08
  could the Muslim Jesus leave the shroud of Turin imprint if he
• 43:10
  was never crucified? And then therefore, what did
• 43:12
  they say about the person that was crucified?
• 43:13
  Hello. What did they say about the
• 43:14
  person that was crucified? Who did he?
• 43:15
  Who did he? Who did he present as?
• 43:17
  But he wasn't Jesus, so he would have ascended into heaven and
• 43:19
  left the luminosity It would be as a.
• 43:20
  Look alike, Yeah, you can say that, but you don't know what
• 43:22
  you're. Talking about normal.
• 43:24
  Hey normal people, they said it was a body double, someone who
• 43:26
  looked like Jesus. Normal people don't leave a
• 43:28
  luminous imprint on the shroud they put on them at the point of
• 43:30
  death so they look alike. Wouldn't have done that.
• 43:32
  Wait, I'm just could. You give me the study.
• 43:34
  I don't know. The name of it?
• 43:34
  Off the top of my head, but it's recently completed.
• 43:36
  Sure, I would love to you should investigate it you'd.
• 43:37
  Probably become a Christian if you're being a guy.
• 43:38
  Hey, real. Quick, let's do a 2 minute
• 43:41
  closing statement. We'll start with you, Nick.
• 43:43
  Already on to the next topic. Go ahead.
• 43:44
  Sure. So I mean the.
• 43:45
  Good news is we just had a platform to demonstrate the
• 43:47
  historicity of the resurrection of Jesus.
• 43:49
  You do have real archaeological evidence, like the shot of
• 43:51
  Torin. You have the gospels.
• 43:52
  You have secular historians. No serious historian testified
• 43:54
  that Jesus wasn't real or didn't live or wasn't crucified.
• 43:56
  And if Christianity throughout the Roman Empire, it's because
• 43:58
  of a well documented martyrdom of the disciples of the early
• 44:01
  church. If you would go to your death
• 44:02
  testifying that something, a lie or fabrication didn't happen,
• 44:05
  you know, then maybe you believe they all faked it.
• 44:07
  I think that you go to your death only if you saw something
• 44:08
  true. And even still, people won't
• 44:10
  tell the truth if they're afraid of the mafia.
• 44:11
  You'd only go to your death telling the truth if it was God
• 44:14
  in the flesh. So I think that's just all
• 44:15
  obvious. With all that being said, we
• 44:16
  should have a Catholic government.
• 44:17
  We all have a conscience. The moral law comes from God.
• 44:19
  It's also written on our hearts and we know it.
• 44:21
  And that's where our intuition comes from.
• 44:23
  The subjective idea that we get from rationality or empiricism
• 44:25
  that murder is wrong, that rape is wrong, The same objections
• 44:27
  agnostics and atheists raise against the Bible, you know,
• 44:30
  and, and The thing is about the Old Testament, if people are
• 44:32
  turned off by that, it really just amounts to the problem of
• 44:33
  evil itself. Evil exists in the world that
• 44:35
  was created by a good God. This is answered by the
• 44:37
  philosophical concept of the privation of evil prior to the
• 44:40
  coming of Jesus Christ. It was a world without the good,
• 44:42
  and therefore it was evil. And thus there was no mercy,
• 44:44
  compassion, those sorts of things.
• 44:45
  But it's a very complicated topic.
• 44:46
  I hope people aren't turned off when they hear, you know, bad
• 44:48
  things happen in the ancient world, therefore there can be no
• 44:50
  God. It's obviously false.
• 44:51
  So anyway, so that that's just the long and short of the whole
• 44:53
  Christian debate distilled. Yeah, sure.
• 44:55
  So. I've got to get my closing
• 44:56
  state. Yeah, go ahead. 1st about the
• 44:58
  Shroud of Turin, anyone watching, feel free to look up
• 45:00
  any of the multiple groups of scientists that have dated the
• 45:01
  Shroud of Turin. Not not a single one of them
• 45:03
  have been able to place a date on the Shroud of Turin from a
• 45:05
  point when Jesus was alive. So that's automatically thrown
• 45:07
  out of the window. About about Nick's second point
• 45:09
  there, specifically about the people that went to their deaths
• 45:10
  after seeing the quote, UN quote resurrected Jesus.
• 45:12
  This is something we see in all religions.
• 45:13
  I want you to go ahead and look at Prophet Muhammad's grandson
• 45:15
  in the context of the Islamic religion.
• 45:16
  He was martyred because of his beliefs and his grandfather
• 45:18
  being a prophet of God that's present always.
• 45:19
  If this makes a religion true, all religions would be true.
• 45:21
  About your Third Point about the historicity of Jesus Christ, we
• 45:23
  have no first hand accounts about Jesus Christ or his life.
• 45:25
  I do think that he was a real man that lived and lived in a
• 45:28
  crucifixion, but Josephus, Tacitus, all these people came
• 45:29
  long after he died. And I think it's crazy that
• 45:31
  you're going to sit here and say that we have sufficient
• 45:33
  historical evidence to justify that Jesus Christ died and
• 45:35
  resurrected from the dead, but we don't have historical
• 45:37
  evidence to justify that the Holocaust happened and 6,000,000
• 45:39
  Jewish people died. I can give you a source right
• 45:41
  now that 6 million people did die.
• 45:42
  In fact, I can give you 200. For everyone watching, look at
• 45:44
  holocaustcontroversy.blogspot.com. It will give you an index to
• 45:47
  publish evidence on mass extermination and all switch in
• 45:49
  all switch in Germany, there will be over 200 sources there.
• 45:51
  Much more abundant evidence than what he could ever give for the
• 45:53
  existence of Jesus Christ and the idea that he's our God.
• 45:55
  So already contradictory there. And about the last point about
• 45:57
  the problem of evil, you said that the privation of evil was
• 45:59
  the fact that there wasn't a lot of good before Jesus came.
• 46:01
  No, the privation of evil is an ontological say that of evil.
• 46:03
  OK, so you don't know what your philosophical terms mean.
• 46:05
  You're also confusing what the problem of evil is.
• 46:06
  OK, right. I would say my problem of evil
• 46:08
  would be the fact good, God's all perfect and God's all
• 46:10
  powerful and nothing evil should exist in the world that we live
• 46:12
  in. I wish that we could have a
• 46:14
  longer discussion about this man in the philosophy, show you that
• 46:16
  you don't know. But I guess we're gonna move on
• 46:17
  to the next topic. Thank you guys.
• 46:19
  All right, we're to do topic #3 is, is homosexuality?
• 46:22
  Bad and we'll we'll start with we'll start again.
• 46:24
  I'll give you 3 minute intro same in three minute.
• 46:26
  I like the so far. Go ahead.
• 46:31
  I no worries. Yeah.
• 46:31
  So I probably won't need all. 3 minutes, it'll be pretty easy.
• 46:33
  I don't think that being gay is wrong because there's no good
• 46:35
  reason to believe that is wrong. They just, you know, multiple
• 46:37
  arguments that they could probably give me.
• 46:38
  One would just be gay wrong because skydaddy says so in the
• 46:40
  Bible. And they give me something to do
• 46:41
  with like telos, like an actual function of our bodies.
• 46:42
  I would indicate that we have a perscriptive purpose on how
• 46:44
  we're supposed to use them. That's not how we're supposed to
• 46:45
  use them. I'd say that doesn't exist.
• 46:47
  At the end of the day, my stance is clear.
• 46:48
  Being gay is not wrong because there's no reason for it to be
• 46:50
  wrong. And I guess we'll just hear next
• 46:51
  reason why it is wrong because that's probably what we're going
• 46:53
  to start. So I can see the rest of my
• 46:54
  time. Take away Nick.
• 46:55
  Yeah. I love the sky daddy thing.
• 46:57
  It's like the idea that there's a transcendent God.
• 46:59
  You think there's a man in the clouds and I don't 'cause I
• 47:01
  listen to science. It's just like the most brain
• 47:02
  dad new atheist. I'm surprised this stuff still
• 47:04
  exists. You told me you kill A.
• 47:05
  Baby of God told you. To no interruptions.
• 47:09
  Yeah, Silence. Silence while I attack your
• 47:11
  physician. So here's the thing.
• 47:12
  OK, someone in the chat. Goes Nick got cooked.
• 47:15
  You're an Absolutely. You're just retarded.
• 47:18
  You're not going to make it. You're retarded.
• 47:20
  Do you have a woman's name? Yeah.
• 47:21
  OK. Opinion disregarded completely
• 47:24
  the. Homosexuality thing.
• 47:25
  I mean, we could argue that the faculty of the reproductive
• 47:28
  organs is to have sex. The purpose of them is to have
• 47:31
  sex. We have sexual organs to have
• 47:32
  sex, and sex is for the purpose of insemination, procreation.
• 47:35
  It's what it is. It's not.
• 47:35
  We can't get too creative and it always ends the same way, and
• 47:38
  it's made for one purpose. We could argue that there is a
• 47:40
  prohibition of it and the Catholic Catechism in the Bible,
• 47:43
  but I don't even think we need to go that far.
• 47:45
  It's really a question of whether we think people can do
• 47:47
  whatever they want. And this gets back to morality.
• 47:49
  If your conception of morality comes from, you know, a vague
• 47:51
  idea of empathy or do no harm, you know, against harm, then you
• 47:55
  would say there's nothing necessarily wrong with suicide,
• 47:57
  drug abuse, homosexuality, gluttony, you know, laziness,
• 48:01
  all kinds of other behaviors. Because people say we own our
• 48:03
  bodies, we can make decisions, we're empowered, we can kind of
• 48:05
  do whatever we want as long as we don't interfere with other
• 48:08
  people, as long as we're not in position on other people.
• 48:09
  That's really the fundamental premise.
• 48:11
  I reject that premise. I think that because we're
• 48:13
  created beings, we're created with a sense of dignity.
• 48:15
  Our souls and our bodies are connected, and God wants us to
• 48:18
  be dignified. And I think we all recognize
• 48:20
  that there are things that are dignified and things that are
• 48:21
  undignified. It's undignified to be an
• 48:23
  addict. It's undignified to be lazy.
• 48:25
  It's undignified to undergo a transgender surgery.
• 48:28
  It's undignified to do plastic surgery.
• 48:30
  And yes, it is undignified to engagement in exotomy.
• 48:32
  And what is it? One minute.
• 48:33
  Yeah, one minute. So.
• 48:35
  You know. Sodomy is something that is
• 48:36
  violent. It's filthy, it's undignified,
• 48:39
  and I think it's a travesty. It's such an unfortunate thing.
• 48:41
  You know, people celebrated to wave these flags, but they're
• 48:43
  waving a flag of really a filthy and violent and gross act that I
• 48:46
  think any, you know, anybody has a natural sense of morality
• 48:48
  would reject it. So, I mean, I just think it's
• 48:50
  disgusting and things that are disgusting are probably wrong.
• 48:52
  OK Your argument. It's disgusting, therefore it's
• 48:54
  wrong. Hey Nick, got a question.
• 48:55
  Is shooting disgusting? No shooting is wrong.
• 48:59
  Good point. That's a good point.
• 49:03
  That's the argument. Never thought of it that way.
• 49:04
  You said you said it's disgusting, therefore it's
• 49:06
  wrong. Yeah, shit shitting.
• 49:07
  Pretty good heuristic. Yeah, it's a pretty good well
• 49:09
  and look. If you want if.
• 49:11
  You want to talk about? It's literally so.
• 49:12
  Fucking simple. Like if your argument is oh this
• 49:14
  is aesthetically unpleasing therefore I find it disgusting,
• 49:16
  therefore I'm describe as being wrong.
• 49:17
  This is first of all the IQ. Go ahead.
• 49:20
  Explain, explain, explain your your syllogism.
• 49:22
  Yeah, sure. So.
• 49:22
  Anyways, here's my perspective. You're just saying that you find
• 49:24
  it disgusting given your subjective mental states that
• 49:26
  lead you to the conclusion that it is something that's non
• 49:28
  aesthetic. I think it's funny that you're
• 49:29
  giving me this argument when you've been chirping down my
• 49:31
  throat for the last 30 minutes that we need to rely on some
• 49:34
  objective standard to tell something wrong even when we
• 49:35
  disagree. But now you're like, oh, my
• 49:37
  mental states are not conducive towards me finding this to be
• 49:39
  aesthetically pleasing, therefore it's morally wrong.
• 49:40
  It's just a little bit, you know, out of reach for you, but
• 49:42
  overwhelmingly I don't even, I don't even know if I should give
• 49:45
  a dignified response to what you just told me.
• 49:46
  Nick just said I don't like it, therefore it's wrong.
• 49:48
  You also referenced a couple other things there about just
• 49:50
  engaging in dignified actions. Once again, that's another don't
• 49:52
  like it, therefore it's wrong, right?
• 49:53
  I can say that being Nick Fuentes and talking about how 6
• 49:55
  million people didn't die at the Holocaust simplified and all of
• 49:57
  a sudden in my world you're going to fucking jail, right?
• 49:59
  But I think that if you're gonna make the argument that it's
• 50:01
  either wrong to be gay or it's wrong to engage in same sex
• 50:03
  intercourse, you're gonna have to give me a little bit more
• 50:05
  reason than the fact that it doesn't align with what's
• 50:07
  aesthetically pleasing to you. Are you gay?
• 50:08
  Let. Me.
• 50:09
  Are you gay? Just to establish for the
• 50:10
  debate, No, I'm straight unlike. You, I'm empathetic.
• 50:12
  I'm able to place myself in other people's shoes and see the
• 50:14
  world from a perspective and realize you empathize.
• 50:15
  You place yourself in gay people's shoes.
• 50:17
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 50:17
  And I can imagine what it would be like to be gay.
• 50:19
  Why not? What it would be like to be at
• 50:20
  the receiving end of your the receiving end.
• 50:23
  You're. Emphasized with the receiving
• 50:24
  end, huh? What is that like?
• 50:25
  Oh, like the tyranny. Of you and the other like white
• 50:26
  Christians oh tyranny gay so bad therefore we're gonna persecute
• 50:29
  these people they're you're empathizing with gay.
• 50:30
  Man, are you OK? Interesting.
• 50:32
  Do you do you think about like gay sex?
• 50:33
  Do you empathize with gay sex at all?
• 50:35
  Why is it always the? Homicide that want to talk about
• 50:36
  gay sex, it's a debate about. It's a debate about homosexual.
• 50:38
  Yeah, you're talking, but you're you're.
• 50:39
  Getting a little bit too personal, Nick.
• 50:40
  I have a girlfriend. I'm sorry, OK?
• 50:42
  I'm just. Asking.
• 50:43
  I'm just asking. I'm just.
• 50:44
  Asking. I know, I know.
• 50:45
  I just asked one of the one of the many.
• 50:46
  One of the many. So here's the.
• 50:47
  Thing. I didn't say if it's disgusting,
• 50:50
  it's wrong. What I mean is it's a pretty
• 50:51
  good heuristic that something is discussed.
• 50:53
  If something is found to be disgusting, it's probably wrong.
• 50:56
  And here's you brought up fecal matter.
• 50:57
  You brought up you said shit. I'll say fecal matter.
• 50:59
  I'll be polite. Fecal matter is offensive to us.
• 51:02
  It it has a offensive odor, it has an offensive look and so on.
• 51:05
  Why is that? Why do we find it disgusting?
• 51:07
  Why are we repelled by it? Because if we were to handle it
• 51:09
  and touch it, we would get sick and die.
• 51:10
  If we were to eat it, we would get sick and die.
• 51:12
  If we don't properly dispose of it, it would poison the
• 51:14
  community and we would die. So the act of excreting waste is
• 51:17
  not an evil act, but but fecal matter in itself, it disgusts us
• 51:21
  on an instinctual basis for a very good reason.
• 51:23
  OK. And that's why it's a heuristic.
• 51:24
  And we find the same thing about surgery and blood.
• 51:27
  You know why? And about snakes and about
• 51:29
  spiders. There's a reason for that.
• 51:30
  And the same thing is true about homosexuality.
• 51:32
  Now it's like you look at the homosexual act.
• 51:34
  OK, What have you thought? About, yeah, go ahead.
• 51:37
  Sure. Sure.
• 51:38
  Yeah, you're just. Further, like I look at it for
• 51:39
  the what you're just not hearing.
• 51:41
  So I am I am. So this same internationalizing
• 51:43
  the the same intuition that you're describing to me and like
• 51:45
  the other how many people are watching, I don't even know is
• 51:47
  essentially that you have this innate driven psychological
• 51:49
  response that when you look at this, it's bad.
• 51:51
  You kind of related this to looking at shit and because when
• 51:53
  you look at shit, it's bad, you know that it's like driven via
• 51:54
  the fact that if you eat it, it could give you like bacteria can
• 51:56
  make you sick, whatever. OK, but here's my point.
• 51:58
  The same innate, like prejudice driven response that you are
• 52:01
  holding towards gay people that lead you to the conclusion that
• 52:04
  it's thereby wrong is the same innate driven prejudice response
• 52:06
  from white supremacists towards black people.
• 52:08
  So what would you say to a white supremacist giving you the same
• 52:11
  exact argument that you're giving me about gay people?
• 52:13
  What about black people? What if they made the argument
• 52:15
  that they just feel in some innate behavioral level that it
• 52:17
  is just wrong to be black? When I look at black people, I
• 52:19
  feel this way and that way the same way that you're describing
• 52:20
  to me right now. And the reason that I think this
• 52:22
  point is so important to bring up here is, well, you're just
• 52:24
  describing your prejudice. OK, what would say?
• 52:27
  First of all. I don't have a.
• 52:28
  Prejudice against gay people. I really don't.
• 52:30
  I'm describing the ACT. I'm describing the act of what
• 52:33
  they're doing, which is filthy. If you look at a guy walking
• 52:35
  down the street, for the most part, like let's say it was a
• 52:37
  guy wearing like guy's clothes, but he was gay, you wouldn't
• 52:39
  know he was gay and your disgust reflex wouldn't be triggered.
• 52:42
  But when you think about sodomy, when you think about sodomy,
• 52:45
  which involves a whole host of gross stuff.
• 52:46
  I mean, they have to take drugs to loosen their butt holes.
• 52:48
  They have to flush out their butt holes of poo because a
• 52:51
  penis is going where poo is. This is disgusting stuff and the
• 52:53
  idea of it's disgusting and it's the act which is disgusting.
• 52:55
  So it's got nothing really to do with prejudice or anything like
• 52:57
  that, That the ACT itself. Yeah.
• 52:58
  Hang on, hang on. And by the way, it's also
• 53:00
  universal. It's universal and it's
• 53:01
  instinctual. There was a study that was done,
• 53:02
  for example, that said that men who witnessed 2 gay men kissing
• 53:05
  had the same disgust reflex as seen magic.
• 53:07
  I'm sure you've heard of that. I'm just trying to get you to
• 53:09
  recognize that. Can you not interrupt me?
• 53:10
  Why interrupt? Me on a single.
• 53:11
  I'm trying to make a. Point a white business owner in
• 53:13
  the 1960s. I just said the same thing that
• 53:15
  you're saying about gay people right now, about black people
• 53:17
  going into their business. I'll ask you a question.
• 53:18
  The reason why I'm interrupting you here is because it's a false
• 53:20
  syllogism. It's a false syllogism you're
• 53:21
  bringing in white supremacy to homosexuality is a behavior.
• 53:23
  Can I tell you particularly? For homosexuality.
• 53:26
  Behavior. OK, So what?
• 53:28
  What is? Obviously homosexuality's
• 53:29
  behavior. It means if a man, if a man is
• 53:32
  attracted to another man but never has sex, is really
• 53:35
  homosexual. Oh wait, I have a.
• 53:36
  Question Was Jesus straight? He I don't think he had.
• 53:39
  A sexuality because he was God. OK, so it's perfect.
• 53:41
  Not to be attracted to women because Jesus was perfect and he
• 53:43
  wasn't an attracted to women. What are these false?
• 53:45
  It's always just like bullshit. So I have a.
• 53:47
  Question I feel like gay people what about?
• 53:48
  White people not like black people, Would you?
• 53:50
  Say here, if you never engage in gay sex and you're not gay.
• 53:53
  So, Nick, I didn't say that, I said.
• 53:54
  Homosexuality is sex is an act. It's an act.
• 53:56
  Okay, so you said. If you don't engage in gay sex,
• 53:58
  you're not homosexual, because homosexual predicated on the
• 54:00
  action. It's an action.
• 54:02
  Yeah, so you're telling. You're telling me if you don't
• 54:03
  engage in that action then you're not bad?
• 54:05
  Dude, how fucking do I don't need?
• 54:06
  To write it on a paper if you if you are a person that engages in
• 54:09
  that. Act you are that person right so
• 54:10
  no what I'm telling you is that sexual orientations are not
• 54:12
  defined upon the actions that you engage in What are they
• 54:14
  valid on on your attractions right and I'll give you a really
• 54:16
  good reason to believe this Nick at.
• 54:17
  What age did you lose your virginity?
• 54:18
  Like 25I. Haven't.
• 54:19
  I Haven't. I'm Catholic.
• 54:20
  Oh, shit, man. To get married.
• 54:21
  Nick, you're not straight by your definition because you've
• 54:22
  never engaged in the action. Of heterosexual intercourse.
• 54:24
  It's just like low. I'm asexual.
• 54:25
  I'm an asexual you can get. Out of this one so you're gonna
• 54:27
  make a joke because you know you can't get out.
• 54:29
  It's not a joke. Wait, so.
• 54:30
  Nick, you're not straight. Not yet.
• 54:32
  Folks, Nick Fuentes is not straight.
• 54:34
  Nick Fuentes is not straight. Ladies and gentlemen, I want to
• 54:36
  make that 1 clear. I want to make that one very.
• 54:38
  That's good. That was good so.
• 54:40
  Do you now see why we should predicate my sexuality is in
• 54:41
  cell? It's involuntarily solid.
• 54:43
  So do you. Now see why we should predicate
• 54:44
  the definition of like straight and gay based on no no I think.
• 54:47
  I think homosexuality is an act. Oh, OK, OK.
• 54:49
  So if you then you think being straight's inactive, all right,
• 54:51
  So Nick Puente's not OK, That's the absurdity you don't reach.
• 54:53
  If you want to say that, like being straight is predicated
• 54:56
  based upon the action, then go for it.
• 54:57
  It just means that Nick Puentes isn't straight.
• 54:59
  OK. And then also, I want to talk
• 55:00
  about that action. So you're empathizing with Gay?
• 55:02
  People, if you're envisioning yourself being gay, you're not
• 55:04
  straight either, buddy. If you're empathizing, if you're
• 55:06
  getting in their head, getting in their shoes, getting in their
• 55:08
  wherever, OK, OK. I think it seems like you're.
• 55:10
  Kind of all in love, but definitely.
• 55:11
  But this really child. I just want to respond.
• 55:13
  The question is, let me respond to that.
• 55:14
  Please tell me about your empathy.
• 55:15
  I want to hear it. Yeah, sure.
• 55:16
  So which partner do you empathize?
• 55:17
  More with the one that's on top of the one that's on.
• 55:19
  I'm curious, where's the empathy direct, right?
• 55:21
  I got a question. God don't know him, right?
• 55:22
  Here we go. Yeah.
• 55:23
  So God knows what. It's like to get fucked in the
• 55:25
  ass like to dude. So God empathizes very.
• 55:27
  Good, Very good. No, God doesn't empathize those
• 55:29
  people. God casts those people off.
• 55:30
  That's so bad. That's right.
• 55:32
  It's very like. You humor.
• 55:34
  It's very low IQ humor. No, you're getting fucking
• 55:35
  dunked on repeatedly. I thought you'd be a better.
• 55:36
  You're the guy that said you're. Empathizing with gay people and
• 55:38
  you're saying that Pooh isn't filthy or something?
• 55:40
  Oh no. So once.
• 55:41
  Again, my argument was is that you have absolutely no reason to
• 55:43
  believe that being gay is wrong in the existence of yourself.
• 55:45
  Alongside. It's funny because.
• 55:46
  Any low IQ retard will think Dean's winning, but any person
• 55:49
  who actually knows what's going on in the world and has an IQ
• 55:53
  above 110 will realize that Dean is making an ass of himself.
• 55:59
  Just like you that hold this baseless, trivial prejudice has
• 56:01
  led to generations, not to the LGBT.
• 56:03
  One moment, let me put less to generations of the LGBT
• 56:05
  community. Let.
• 56:05
  Me cut You're getting a little bit frustrated.
• 56:07
  Sir, do I need to put the polka dot?
• 56:08
  No, no, no. Give us the whole acronym.
• 56:10
  Yeah, so generations of the LGBTQ bless community.
• 56:11
  Right have lived on your impressive system because people
• 56:13
  like you like to open up the front door of their house and
• 56:15
  then scream and shout how wrong it is to love another person and
• 56:18
  a consentful adult and non incestuous relationship.
• 56:19
  It is absolutely fucking insane to me in here you're gonna say
• 56:21
  you're gonna say oh Dean, you're boring me because I'm able to
• 56:24
  empathize with other humans is that like a good brother Yeah.
• 56:26
  No, because you're a really good person being.
• 56:27
  In favor of gay sex means you're a really good person and then
• 56:30
  you empathize with people and care.
• 56:31
  It has nothing to do with whether you believe there's a
• 56:32
  natural law or anything and things we ought to do or not do
• 56:35
  with our bodies. It's because you're a really
• 56:36
  fucking wholesome good person. You're in the jungus, What
• 56:38
  reason do you have to? Believe right that we ought.
• 56:40
  It's bad look. Homosexuality is bad for people.
• 56:42
  I mean, it's, it's an unnatural act because it's, it's
• 56:44
  incompatible, it's a natural, it's filthy, it's violent, it
• 56:46
  doesn't work. I mean, what is the sexual act?
• 56:48
  What is the? Sexual Act 10.
• 56:49
  Minutes, guys, 10 minutes. On the topic, yeah, like the.
• 56:51
  Sexual act that's contrary to its.
• 56:53
  Purpose contrary to its nature. OK, so you're saying it's
• 56:55
  contrary to its nature? So you're saying that like every
• 56:57
  part of your body has a nature, the nature of a of a penis isn't
• 57:00
  entered into an asshole, correct?
• 57:01
  Yes. OK, what's the nature of your
• 57:02
  lips? To do everything that.
• 57:04
  A lip does. Like, eat food, talk, speak.
• 57:06
  I'm sure. Yeah, it's wrong to kiss your
• 57:07
  girlfriend because that's going to get No, they're made for that
• 57:09
  too. They're made for that.
• 57:10
  That has a purpose and sexuality as well, if you could say that.
• 57:12
  Your lips are made for kissing your girlfriend.
• 57:14
  Why can't I say that the pee pee's made for being inserted
• 57:15
  into the asshole? Because the asshole isn't.
• 57:17
  Meant to be penetrated because when that happens it has long
• 57:19
  term health effects. You could look there are a lot
• 57:21
  of like ex homosexuals that talk about how they have long term.
• 57:23
  I mean, I don't want to get graphic, but they have to wear
• 57:25
  diapers. They have to wear diapers
• 57:26
  because it's not. Natural.
• 57:29
  Yeah, if you're persistently doing something that leads to
• 57:30
  long term chronic problems like that, yeah, OK, wait, I think
• 57:32
  it's that's why there's disease that was I think.
• 57:34
  That's another. I think that this is another
• 57:35
  trivial argument. Would you say that it's wrong to
• 57:37
  play the piano because you're unnaturally using your fingers
• 57:38
  to hit the keys? That could lead to long term
• 57:40
  health effects? Because it's not true to a
• 57:41
  parted argument. It's.
• 57:42
  A long term negative health effects.
• 57:43
  And some people it can lead to like their hands seizing up or I
• 57:45
  forget the particular word, but it essentially leads to very
• 57:47
  like bad long term health effects, like within the hands.
• 57:49
  So like in your logic, why wouldn't you say that it's wrong
• 57:51
  to play the piano, granted, right, that it's not in the
• 57:53
  nature, right? That was a trivial assumption.
• 57:54
  And it leads to negative long term health effects.
• 57:56
  It's obvious because, because. Because I mean, what do we, what
• 57:58
  do we call the penis sexual? Again, it's for the purpose of
• 58:00
  sex. Fingers are a little bit
• 58:02
  different, lips are a little bit different.
• 58:03
  They have all kinds of different potential utilities and things
• 58:06
  like that. But the sexual organ is directed
• 58:07
  towards a sexual function. I mean, why do we the reason
• 58:09
  the, the reason the penis is shaped like it is the reason,
• 58:11
  OK, now, now you're going to rub me.
• 58:13
  The reason that it's shaped like it is and position where it is
• 58:14
  and all those things, it's for one purpose.
• 58:16
  The reason that it, I mean, not to get graphic, but the reason
• 58:17
  it does all the things it does is for the purpose of
• 58:19
  insemination. It's not for the purpose of
• 58:20
  inseminating a person's colon or rectum.
• 58:22
  And by the way, a butthole has literally one purpose.
• 58:24
  OK? A butthole has one purpose,
• 58:25
  which is to excrete waste, not for.
• 58:29
  On this, let's hear. Well, it is a debate, so I.
• 58:30
  Wouldn't mind that at all, actually.
• 58:31
  Yeah. So I mean, I don't think that.
• 58:33
  We could prescriptively define the function of like any part of
• 58:34
  our body or really like anything for that matter.
• 58:36
  We could only descriptively define them.
• 58:37
  Like I could give you an analogy here, like if you, if you went
• 58:39
  to like a hardware store like Lowe's or Home Depot, right, And
• 58:41
  you went to buy a hammer and the instruction manual on this
• 58:43
  hammer tells you that it's supposed to put nails into wood.
• 58:44
  Well, I mean, all the sudden you are misusing the hammer if
• 58:46
  you're not putting nails in the wood.
• 58:47
  But if you go into the middle of the forest and you find a rock
• 58:50
  in the shape of a hammer identical to the one in Lowe's,
• 58:52
  you're not doing anything wrong regardless of how you use it
• 58:53
  because there wasn't any intention wrong, regardless of
• 58:55
  how you use it, because there wasn't any intention behind its
• 58:56
  design. And that's exactly what I would
• 58:57
  say about the human anatomy. There was no intention behind
• 58:59
  the design of the human anatomy. I think that we could
• 59:01
  descriptively define how we use parts of our body.
• 59:02
  And I think you kind of implicitly conceded to this
• 59:04
  earlier and told me that it's in my nature to use my hands to
• 59:06
  play the piano or to use my mouth stick as my girlfriend.
• 59:08
  Those are not intentful prescriptive claims that you're
• 59:10
  making about the function or use of my hands.
• 59:11
  These are going to be descriptions about how we can
• 59:13
  use my hands, about how we can use my lips.
• 59:15
  And that's exactly how I reference, right, these sexual
• 59:16
  organs. OK.
• 59:17
  And the only way for you to justify your claim that there is
• 59:19
  intention behind the design of the human anatomy to justify
• 59:20
  that there's incorrect uses of it would be God.
• 59:22
  And of course, I dispute the existence of God.
• 59:23
  You couldn't prove that God exists.
• 59:24
  If we had 30 minutes, I could be able to give you an argument to
• 59:27
  show that it's logically impossible for the Christian God
• 59:28
  to exist. I think what it's best for you
• 59:30
  to do right now is either concede your position or just
• 59:31
  say it outright. You think being gay is wrong
• 59:33
  because God said so. You think being gay is wrong
• 59:35
  because you truly believe that God built our bodies to function
• 59:37
  in a particular manner that is adjacent to the use that you
• 59:39
  like to describe to our fingers or to our mouths?
• 59:40
  Say it out loud. Well.
• 59:42
  Like I said, if you were. Listening at the very beginning
• 59:44
  of my opening statement, I said we are created and we are
• 59:47
  insoled and our souls and our bodies have to be treated with
• 59:49
  dignity. And yes, that's it.
• 59:50
  You're 100% right. I mean, if you believe that if
• 59:52
  you're a nihilist or a materialist and you believe
• 59:54
  there's only matter and everything is subjective, then
• 59:55
  yeah, like there's no problem of putting this in there and that
• 59:57
  over there. But if you think that we are
• 59:59
  created, and if you think there is such a thing as a natural law
• 1:00:01
  and a moral law, then we would have to abide by what we can
• 1:00:04
  assume are these functions or what we are told are the
• 1:00:06
  functions by revelation. If you're, if you believe in a
• 1:00:08
  religion with revelation, then it's revealed.
• 1:00:09
  If you believe in a religion which is philosophical, then you
• 1:00:11
  have to deduce it rationally. But.
• 1:00:13
  When you look at something like the anus, you know, E Michael
• 1:00:15
  Jones has a famous quote about this.
• 1:00:16
  The anus is not a sex organ. It's obviously not.
• 1:00:18
  It's there for one purpose. And I think we know we all,
• 1:00:20
  whoever this is. In the chat.
• 1:00:21
  You're an absolute retard James. Did you vote for a sex
• 1:00:23
  trafficking pedophile? Shut the fuck up.
• 1:00:26
  Like I'm probably more anti trump than you you fucking
• 1:00:28
  retard. Dean Withers is just an absolute
• 1:00:30
  fucking moron and liberals are retards.
• 1:00:34
  No. Like, yeah, of course you can do
• 1:00:36
  these things. No one's arguing that you can't.
• 1:00:38
  Of course you can. It it can be done.
• 1:00:39
  You're capable of doing it. The question is ought, should we
• 1:00:42
  do these things? You know, and if these things
• 1:00:43
  are contrary to their nature and there's evidence that this is
• 1:00:45
  the case because they result in problems, then we probably
• 1:00:48
  shouldn't. And you don't even necessarily
• 1:00:49
  need to believe in God to understand that.
• 1:00:50
  I think that I think that, hang on, I'm not totally finished.
• 1:00:52
  I think that even if you don't believe in God, I, I think there
• 1:00:54
  are a lot of people that actually don't believe in God
• 1:00:55
  that still find it to be a, a kind of degenerative, indulgent,
• 1:01:00
  hang on undignified practice. I'm not finished yet.
• 1:01:02
  You're very disrespectful in that way.
• 1:01:03
  I'm so respectful and you're being very rude the way you're
• 1:01:05
  chirping with these little eruptions.
• 1:01:06
  And The thing is, I mean, let's imagine what it is when they're
• 1:01:08
  walking down the down the street waving that flag.
• 1:01:10
  It represents a filthy, violent act where you're evacuating
• 1:01:13
  fecal matter out of your bowels to make room for sex.
• 1:01:16
  And it's never fully gone. And This is why they get AIDS
• 1:01:18
  because you're putting a sexual organ where the shit is.
• 1:01:20
  And that's just something that like, yeah, is objectively
• 1:01:22
  gross. I think for very good reasons,
• 1:01:23
  which is a pretty good heuristic, that it's also
• 1:01:25
  immoral. And so, you know, people that
• 1:01:27
  are same sex attracted, people that are tolerant of same sex
• 1:01:29
  attracted persons and people that are not I think should all
• 1:01:31
  be able to recognize that sodomy is something that it someone
• 1:01:34
  goes. What is he saying that is wrong
• 1:01:36
  though? A bunch of things.
• 1:01:37
  Every argument Dean makes is an unrealistic hypothetical.
• 1:01:43
  Dean cares more about emotion than actual facts.
• 1:01:46
  He creates his own moral basis in his mind.
• 1:01:49
  And if we all did that there would be nothing stopping me
• 1:01:51
  from saying hey I don't like you, you're annoying me, why
• 1:01:54
  don't I hit you over the head with a fucking rock.
• 1:01:56
  And if I deem that to be immoral in my mind, then it's OK by
• 1:01:59
  Dean's logic. But by Nick's logic, which is
• 1:02:03
  what Catholics believe, is that there is a order to these
• 1:02:07
  things. Dean doesn't believe that.
• 1:02:09
  He has no sense of where he gets his morality from.
• 1:02:11
  It's created in his own mind. Dean is a retard.
• 1:02:15
  Dean is a child who thinks he's smart because he debates other
• 1:02:19
  retards on TikTok in a very moderated setting where he
• 1:02:23
  controls the mute button. He controls who comes up and who
• 1:02:26
  is not. You're not like, I don't know,
• 1:02:30
  it's just there's nothing really appealing about Dean in the
• 1:02:34
  whole liberal debate sphere. They're all gay, they're all
• 1:02:36
  retards. None of them are actually smart.
• 1:02:39
  They all create unrealistic hypotheticals to try and trap
• 1:02:42
  you. How about you name 1 Mr. 110 IQ?
• 1:02:45
  OK my IQ is 136 so suck my Dick. Is there's something?
• 1:02:51
  Deeply wrong with it and it should be avoided.
• 1:02:53
  Even if you're not religious. Let's not do politics.
• 1:02:54
  Famous one minute each. I'll give one minute to Dean and
• 1:02:56
  the one minute to Nick. We'll go on the next topic.
• 1:02:58
  Great. Thank you so much.
• 1:02:59
  So Nick Fuentes made two arguments.
• 1:03:00
  The first argument that Nick Fuentes made was that I think
• 1:03:02
  it's gross, therefore it's wrong.
• 1:03:03
  In Nick's closing statement, what he will not do is give me
• 1:03:05
  the logical distinction with him saying gay, gross, therefore
• 1:03:08
  wrong, and a white supremacist saying being black, gross,
• 1:03:10
  therefore wrong. There's no logical distinction
• 1:03:11
  between the way in which those two beliefs were formed and he
• 1:03:13
  won't be able to give it to me. The second argument that Nick
• 1:03:15
  made here was that we can deduce that it's not within the
• 1:03:17
  teleological like me, like the teleological use of these sex
• 1:03:21
  organs. Last thing I'm going to.
• 1:03:22
  Say to the retard in the chat you're a woman, I don't care
• 1:03:24
  what you're saying. Like shut the fuck up, go make
• 1:03:27
  your husband a sandwich and if you don't have go find one you
• 1:03:30
  stupid bitch to use them in such.
• 1:03:32
  A manner where the penis is inserted into the anus because
• 1:03:34
  doing so can reap long term negative outcomes.
• 1:03:36
  OK right. He will not be able to give me
• 1:03:38
  the difference between saying This is why gay sex is wrong and
• 1:03:40
  me saying well it's wrong to play the piano because when you
• 1:03:42
  use your hands to do so, this could reap negative long term
• 1:03:45
  outcomes such as arthritis. So those two arguments alone
• 1:03:48
  show us all that Nick's logic here is unreliable because of
• 1:03:50
  the absurdities in which they yield right?
• 1:03:52
  If the same logic that you're using to justify that being gay
• 1:03:54
  is wrong could lead a white supremacist to the conclusion
• 1:03:56
  that being black is wrong and lead a dumbass to the conclusion
• 1:03:57
  that playing the piano is wrong, maybe your logic isn't that
• 1:04:00
  sound. And I think that's going to be
• 1:04:01
  my closing statement. If Nick Fontaste was honest with
• 1:04:03
  us here, folks, he would tell us that being gay is wrong because
• 1:04:04
  he's just a a a little bit prejudice, don't you think?
• 1:04:07
  OK. That's been over, Nick.
• 1:04:08
  I'll give you 90 seconds to close here, all right?
• 1:04:10
  Yeah, I don't. Know why why we got to do the
• 1:04:11
  debate club stuff. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury
• 1:04:13
  what Nick Fletch is going to try and it's like this is a very
• 1:04:14
  important. We're on Aiden Ross.
• 1:04:15
  OK, bitch, just Aiden Ross live. There's no rules here, OK, other
• 1:04:17
  than the time limit. My closing statement is very
• 1:04:19
  simple. It's just like how I started.
• 1:04:21
  If you believe and I tend to think that every decent person
• 1:04:23
  does, even if you're not Christian or necessarily
• 1:04:25
  religious. If you believe that we are more
• 1:04:26
  than just matter, meaning that we have souls, meaning that
• 1:04:28
  there is something deeper, there's a ghost in the machine
• 1:04:30
  that is a true source of identity.
• 1:04:31
  If you believe that the universe is created and were created,
• 1:04:33
  then you believe that moral conduct is not just about
• 1:04:35
  avoiding harm or hurting people. There's also a way to conduct
• 1:04:38
  your moral life independently, and it's how you treat yourself.
• 1:04:40
  It's your actions. We all understand there's an
• 1:04:41
  idea of discipline, cleanliness, all those kinds of things.
• 1:04:43
  And the idea of sodomy, which people should think of when they
• 1:04:45
  think of homosexuality, I think according to any decent person
• 1:04:48
  in any culture, is something that is violent, filthy, and
• 1:04:51
  those things tend to be wrong. It's contrary to the nature of
• 1:04:52
  sex, what we know the, the anus and the penis to before you
• 1:04:55
  know, or you know, for lesbians for that matter, It's contrary
• 1:04:57
  to the purpose of those things. And, and I would say that on top
• 1:04:59
  of all that, you have evidence that this is the case because
• 1:05:01
  there's such a low incidence of it.
• 1:05:03
  It's a very small percentage of the population has a very high
• 1:05:05
  coincidence with mental illness. And there's a very common family
• 1:05:07
  pattern that produces that behavior, that disposition. 10
• 1:05:11
  seconds. OK, it's a, it's a very.
• 1:05:13
  Particular kind of behavior that's responds to things.
• 1:05:15
  It should be avoided. I think any decent person
• 1:05:16
  realizes that hey. Aden, the subject.
• 1:05:21
  Well, I mean. I would like to propose giving
• 1:05:23
  Nick another 60 seconds to respond to my closing statement.
• 1:05:27
  As I pointed out in my closing statement, he.
• 1:05:28
  Wouldn't respond to the arguments.
• 1:05:29
  I gave and he still didn't, so I just wanted to see Nick one more
• 1:05:31
  time to do that. If not, we can move on, but he
• 1:05:33
  probably won't. Can we give him?
• 1:05:34
  60 more seconds to actually respond.
• 1:05:36
  OK, can we do the next topic? We're just responding to super
• 1:05:38
  villages about Mike's prophecy and the Holocaust on January 6th
• 1:05:41
  or whatever. That's a damning non.
• 1:05:42
  Answer Let's go to the next topic Yeah, OK, we're gonna.
• 1:05:44
  Go to the next one. And then Adena agreed to do
• 1:05:46
  immigration. We'll circle back to Donald
• 1:05:47
  Trump after the last agreed upon subject.
• 1:05:48
  Is that cool? The reason the reason why we
• 1:05:56
  have to do a fifth topic with both the ground guys is because
• 1:05:58
  a lot of the audience, you know, is enjoying this and they're
• 1:06:00
  deep in on this end. I think it's almost you guys are
• 1:06:02
  almost kind of tied right now. There are a lot of them are
• 1:06:03
  agreeing to talk about a tie. So maybe a fifth.
• 1:06:06
  We'll see. Let's get to the fourth topic
• 1:06:07
  though. Well, how about this?
• 1:06:08
  Because we've been. Going about 30 minutes each
• 1:06:09
  subject. So it's for remedy's sake, why
• 1:06:11
  don't we do 20 minutes on the last subject and 20 minutes on
• 1:06:13
  immigration to keep what's the last?
• 1:06:14
  Subject are men. Superior to women?
• 1:06:18
  OK, but if you agree to do immigration?
• 1:06:25
  Because you're going. To.
• 1:06:27
  Lose. I don't know.
• 1:06:28
  OK, Nick, is that fine? With you or if you just want to
• 1:06:30
  do immigration. Let's just hold on a second.
• 1:06:32
  Dean, Dean. Dean do.
• 1:06:33
  You have a topic that you a fifth topic that you might want
• 1:06:35
  to cover. Touch base on just something.
• 1:06:37
  For the end doesn't. Have to be that long either like
• 1:06:39
  maybe 15 minutes. Yeah.
• 1:06:42
  All right. OK.
• 1:06:43
  All right. So the the next topic is.
• 1:06:48
  We'll. Start with our men.
• 1:06:51
  Are men more? Superior than just superior to.
• 1:06:53
  Women, We'll start with Nick. I'll give you 3 minutes and then
• 1:06:54
  3 minutes. Yeah, men are.
• 1:06:56
  Awesome. Women suck and they're dumb.
• 1:06:57
  And no, I'm kidding. Yeah.
• 1:06:59
  The thing? Is though men obviously were
• 1:07:01
  made to lead, and I do think that women should have a
• 1:07:03
  secondary role in society. I think that's absolutely true.
• 1:07:05
  I do believe in a fundamental equality between man and woman.
• 1:07:07
  You know, the Bible says that God created the man and woman.
• 1:07:09
  So we're both created with dignity and should be respected.
• 1:07:11
  And there's an equality before God that we both have.
• 1:07:13
  But we were created with two distinct and different natures.
• 1:07:16
  You know, they are two essential.
• 1:07:18
  Maleness and femaleness are essential about a person.
• 1:07:20
  They're essential to the soul, they're essential to the body.
• 1:07:21
  They come with a function, they come with a particular anatomy,
• 1:07:23
  they come with a brain chemistry.
• 1:07:25
  And as such, those things have social roles.
• 1:07:26
  The idea that, you know, these clearly 2 distinct categories, 2
• 1:07:29
  essential types of people would be treated precisely the same or
• 1:07:31
  exactly the same in society. It belies the fact that they
• 1:07:33
  have two different natures. And I think it's obvious that
• 1:07:35
  men are celestial. They're individualists, they're
• 1:07:36
  rationalists, they're leaders, they're risk takers.
• 1:07:38
  They should be working, fighting, running society.
• 1:07:41
  Women are terrestrial, they're nurturers, they're caregivers.
• 1:07:44
  They should be the mothers. I don't think that they should
• 1:07:45
  be necessarily precluded from working, but I think that they
• 1:07:48
  should be encouraged first and foremost to be mothers for their
• 1:07:50
  benefit and for the benefit of society as a whole.
• 1:07:52
  And that's that's kind of the gist of my position.
• 1:07:55
  OK, so I. I have an opening statement.
• 1:07:56
  I guess I'll use it up. My position is pretty clear.
• 1:07:58
  No one human being does not have more intrinsic moral value than
• 1:08:00
  another human being. I don't think that we could take
• 1:08:02
  this qualification of your gender identity or what's in
• 1:08:04
  between your legs and abstract that out to this, this norm of
• 1:08:06
  who's going to be better at leading.
• 1:08:08
  I'd say the qualifications of determining who's better at
• 1:08:09
  leading, the qualifications of determining, you know, half the
• 1:08:11
  shit that he named off over here is not going to be right, what's
• 1:08:14
  in between your legs or gender identity, but rather other
• 1:08:15
  various traits. But I guess just to make this
• 1:08:17
  quick, we can kind of get to the chase here.
• 1:08:19
  Why do you think men are better at leading than women?
• 1:08:21
  I would appreciate specifics. You kind of pointed out like
• 1:08:23
  different natures, different biological differences in our
• 1:08:24
  anatomy, et cetera. I want you to name the
• 1:08:26
  specifics. Maybe I could ask you a question
• 1:08:27
  here. What are the specific biological
• 1:08:28
  differences between men and women that make men better at
• 1:08:30
  leading than women smarter? Stronger.
• 1:08:33
  All of the above. No, I mean in actuality.
• 1:08:35
  In actuality, what? Are those your two?
• 1:08:37
  Qualifiers. No, no, I'm.
• 1:08:38
  I'm being. A little bit funny, We'll be
• 1:08:39
  honest in here. The reason why they're.
• 1:08:41
  Better leaders, Well, one, I think they're, they're really
• 1:08:43
  only qualified to be leaders because they are physically
• 1:08:45
  stronger. And you know, this is one of the
• 1:08:47
  reasons why we have a feminist society is because we live in a
• 1:08:49
  world where we have technology. In the old days when there was
• 1:08:52
  fighting, it was very physical and it was very direct.
• 1:08:55
  It was hand to hand combat and the only people could do it were
• 1:08:57
  men. As such, the militaries were
• 1:08:59
  raised up, were comprised of men.
• 1:09:00
  The people that fought and enforced sovereignty, law,
• 1:09:02
  borders, all those things were men necessarily then they're the
• 1:09:05
  decision makers. And so, you know, the idea that
• 1:09:07
  it has something to do with what's between your legs, Well,
• 1:09:09
  it has to do with what's between your legs and the fact that you
• 1:09:11
  have testosterone, you're physically stronger.
• 1:09:12
  And by the way, because you have testosterone, it means you're
• 1:09:14
  more aggressive. It means you're a bigger risk
• 1:09:15
  taker. Those are two things that are
• 1:09:16
  important for a person to be a leader.
• 1:09:18
  They need to be able to stand against the crowd they need, and
• 1:09:20
  that means a risk taker. It means you need to be
• 1:09:22
  disagreeable. It involves a certain amount of
• 1:09:23
  aggression and a competitiveness that women simply lack.
• 1:09:25
  We all know that women are very agreeable, passive, not all of
• 1:09:28
  them, but generally speaking, they are.
• 1:09:29
  They're peacemakers. They're more introspective,
• 1:09:31
  they're more emotional, less decisive, and all of that makes
• 1:09:34
  them worse as leaders. Now, there can be women that are
• 1:09:36
  good in, in particular leadership roles in certain
• 1:09:38
  circumstances, and individual women might, but it's a general
• 1:09:40
  rule because of their nature, they don't make good leaders.
• 1:09:42
  OK. Thank you.
• 1:09:43
  So much for your response there. Let's talk about it all.
• 1:09:46
  One of the reasons that you gave me that men are better at
• 1:09:48
  leading than women is physical strength.
• 1:09:49
  That is a totally and completely mute point.
• 1:09:51
  You would not be able to name me one social category in the world
• 1:09:54
  today where leadership is determined on purely physical
• 1:09:56
  strength. I also bet that you would not be
• 1:09:58
  willing to vote for a 15 year old on steroids that can binge
• 1:10:00
  press £600 over Donald Trump just because he's physically
• 1:10:02
  stronger. Another point that you brought
• 1:10:04
  up is that women are more emotional than men.
• 1:10:06
  I'd actually say that's false. 72% of people who commit suicide
• 1:10:09
  are men. 85% of people that abuse hard drugs as a substance
• 1:10:12
  abuse hard drugs as an as an emotional reaction to like
• 1:10:15
  particular stimuli are men. We see that 95% of violent
• 1:10:17
  crimes are committed by men. We see that men are much more
• 1:10:19
  likely to start wars to start genocides.
• 1:10:21
  We see that men are much more likely to engage in irrational
• 1:10:23
  risk adverse activities such as drunk driving, reckless driving
• 1:10:26
  or gambling. Meanwhile, we see women have a
• 1:10:27
  higher IQ and EQ on average, women outperform men in the
• 1:10:30
  context of school going to it more, getting better to grade
• 1:10:32
  and better. And we see that women could
• 1:10:33
  actually deal with stress better than men.
• 1:10:35
  And that's one of those biological dispositions that
• 1:10:36
  we're talking about. Women have thicker dendrites in
• 1:10:39
  their neuroanatomy compared to men for the reason being that
• 1:10:41
  evolution has designed women to deal with childbirth.
• 1:10:44
  OK, right. And that made them go with
• 1:10:45
  stress better as well. That's why we see that female
• 1:10:47
  surgeons outcome out compete male surgeons.
• 1:10:50
  The JMA and the AMA did a massive study on 1.7 million
• 1:10:53
  patients on 6 continents and evaluated that if you're
• 1:10:55
  operated on by a male compared to a female that you're more
• 1:10:57
  likely to die as a result of your surgery and you're more
• 1:10:59
  likely to experience post operative outcomes.
• 1:11:00
  So here's a quick recap. Physical strength doesn't mean
• 1:11:03
  shit. I have bigger by I'd rather go.
• 1:11:04
  Down with the ship and have the male operate.
• 1:11:07
  I mean, 10 times out of 10, I just, I don't trust that.
• 1:11:09
  I don't trust female pilots. Surgeons don't trust females in
• 1:11:13
  general. Except then you.
• 1:11:15
  Think you're better leader emotional maturity women are
• 1:11:17
  more emotionally mature than men and about intelligence and all
• 1:11:20
  the other shit we get into that you respond points brought so
• 1:11:22
  far yeah so. You said it was risk averse to
• 1:11:25
  gamble and drunk drive. It's the opposite.
• 1:11:26
  And you said men are more willing to drunk drive and
• 1:11:28
  gamble. Those are risk taking
• 1:11:29
  activities. And risk taking is fundamental
• 1:11:31
  in leadership. That's why that's why, yeah,
• 1:11:33
  fair enough. And that's why, you know, the
• 1:11:35
  richest people in the world are all men because entrepreneurs
• 1:11:36
  are men. Because an entrepreneur is a
• 1:11:38
  risk taker. And, you know, one man's
• 1:11:39
  gambling is another man's entrepreneurship.
• 1:11:41
  One man's drunk driving is another man's self-destructive,
• 1:11:44
  obsessive, maniacal. Quest.
• 1:11:47
  For, you know, building the best company or being the president
• 1:11:49
  or, or anything like that, it's absolutely essential with regard
• 1:11:52
  to higher IQ and EQ, it is true that on average women have a
• 1:11:55
  higher IQ, but it's also true that the distribution is
• 1:11:56
  different. There's more geniuses among men.
• 1:11:58
  I mean, the, the curve, if you will, is flatter.
• 1:12:01
  So there's, there's more men that are on the left side of the
• 1:12:02
  curve. There's more men on the right
• 1:12:03
  side of the curve. Although the average for women
• 1:12:05
  is higher, they don't have those outliers on those extremes.
• 1:12:07
  That's why I don't see a lot of female geniuses.
• 1:12:09
  And that's just true. I mean, earlier today, in
• 1:12:10
  preparation for the debate, I asked Chad GPTI said name some
• 1:12:12
  female geniuses. They got to like 3 before they
• 1:12:14
  had to name a feminist. They did like Marie Curie, some
• 1:12:16
  ancient Neoplatonist no one ever heard of.
• 1:12:18
  And then it was like all the all the like first and 2nd wave
• 1:12:20
  feminists. There's no female geniuses.
• 1:12:21
  There's very few female billionaires.
• 1:12:22
  They didn't get their wealth outside of divorce.
• 1:12:24
  There's very few female heads of state.
• 1:12:26
  People say that's oppression, it's misogyny.
• 1:12:27
  And we all know it's because they're not risk takers.
• 1:12:29
  They're not tough with regard to they handle stress better.
• 1:12:32
  Yeah, maybe certain kinds of stress.
• 1:12:33
  But I think we all know women and I think we all know that
• 1:12:35
  when women are put in stressful situations.
• 1:12:37
  Oh my. God, they cry.
• 1:12:38
  They cry, they get upset, they freak out, they call their
• 1:12:40
  boyfriend, they call their father.
• 1:12:42
  Let you go to ridiculous stuff. Let me finish.
• 1:12:44
  Let me finish. I'll wrap up.
• 1:12:45
  I'll wrap up, but I'll let you finish and I'll let you say that
• 1:12:47
  women, women handle stress better.
• 1:12:48
  That's insane. OK.
• 1:12:49
  And with regard to physical strength, you know, look, I said
• 1:12:52
  today, physical strength is not a qualifier because of
• 1:12:54
  techniques, because we have missiles, we have tanks and
• 1:12:56
  things like that. The point is, it used to be the
• 1:12:58
  case that would qualify you to lead is that you would go out
• 1:13:01
  there and be doing the fighting and all of that.
• 1:13:02
  And that is still true. It's not necessarily true in the
• 1:13:04
  United States, but it's still true in other countries.
• 1:13:06
  And countries like Israel, for example, or Iran, their
• 1:13:08
  presidents and their ministers are frequently military leaders
• 1:13:09
  that are actually having to be in the tanks and in the
• 1:13:12
  battlefield. And you know, it's hard to be in
• 1:13:13
  the battlefield when you get your period.
• 1:13:15
  It's hard to be in the battlefield if you're pregnant
• 1:13:17
  or something like that. Men don't get pregnant.
• 1:13:18
  Men don't get their period. Men are physically stronger.
• 1:13:20
  Men are. Men have more endurance.
• 1:13:21
  That's why, by the way, it's not just that they're stronger.
• 1:13:23
  They're faster. They're all the above.
• 1:13:24
  That's why women don't compete with men in sports.
• 1:13:25
  That's why men make better soldiers.
• 1:13:26
  And so, you know, yeah, it kind of does matter that if there's a
• 1:13:29
  war, men are going to be the ones fighting and dying.
• 1:13:31
  And that's why they're leading. And they're something deeply
• 1:13:32
  related to their biology there as well.
• 1:13:33
  But go ahead, since you want to interrupt me already.
• 1:13:35
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 1:13:35
  Let's do something here. I've kind of felt this way like
• 1:13:37
  the entire time that we've been having the discussion.
• 1:13:39
  I feel like we both like to talk a lot.
• 1:13:40
  I think that that's been evidently clear.
• 1:13:42
  We just kind of go at each other with like these two to three
• 1:13:44
  minute responses. Can I ask something for you,
• 1:13:45
  from you? What is?
• 1:13:46
  It depends on what it is I kind of want.
• 1:13:47
  To break down each point you've gotten up and demonstrate to you
• 1:13:49
  why it's flawed instead of just giving these long winded
• 1:13:51
  responses. 5 minutes I want. To do that.
• 1:13:54
  Point with our last five minutes, the first point about
• 1:13:55
  physical strength. Who would you rather vote for?
• 1:13:57
  A 15 year old that can bench press 1000 lbs for Donald Trump,
• 1:13:59
  but that's. Not what I'm I'm not saying that
• 1:14:00
  the most physically strong person should be the king.
• 1:14:02
  I'm saying that as as a category, as a category, women
• 1:14:05
  are not soldiers. They're not that they're not
• 1:14:07
  tasked with defending the country.
• 1:14:08
  And that is effectively what the king or the president is
• 1:14:10
  supposed to do, is defend the realm Trump.
• 1:14:12
  Could draft five times. Oh my.
• 1:14:14
  OK, so are we just going to do the resistance liberal thing
• 1:14:16
  now? I said states technics not
• 1:14:18
  understanding. Are you capable of understanding
• 1:14:20
  like non? Soldiers defend the country.
• 1:14:22
  President Bone Spurs. We're talking about whether
• 1:14:24
  women should should be leaders. Physically defend the borders.
• 1:14:27
  OK, so you'd say the weaker you are, physically speaking, the
• 1:14:29
  worse you are at leading? No, No.
• 1:14:31
  So then what the fuck is your argument?
• 1:14:32
  Yeah, it's like you're. Not even listening, I said as a
• 1:14:34
  category. As a category, because sex is a
• 1:14:36
  category. That's not gonna be indicative
• 1:14:37
  of leadership ability. When?
• 1:14:37
  The question is, why are we better at leading than women?
• 1:14:39
  Why do you name a category where we see these general biological
• 1:14:42
  distinctions between men and women if it's not indicative of
• 1:14:44
  men being better at leading than women?
• 1:14:45
  I asked you to name the specific biological differences between
• 1:14:47
  men and women that makes me better at leading than women.
• 1:14:49
  You said I think there's one of them, and now you're saying it's
• 1:14:51
  not. You're saying that emotional
• 1:14:52
  intelligence was one of them, and you conceded that women are
• 1:14:54
  more emotionally intelligent than men.
• 1:14:55
  Another part, another point that you brought up was intelligent,
• 1:14:57
  specifically IQ with the like the highest geniuses of a men
• 1:14:59
  being smarter than that of the women.
• 1:15:00
  I'd say there's gonna be some social like some some social
• 1:15:02
  aspects thrown in there. I mean, if you look at like the
• 1:15:04
  average IQ of an Arab individual compared to a white individual
• 1:15:06
  at home here in the US, the white individual has a higher
• 1:15:07
  IQ. But then if you go to an Arab
• 1:15:08
  dominated country in the Middle East, you'll see that the Arab
• 1:15:10
  individual has a higher IQ. What this means is that social
• 1:15:12
  socialization, access, opportunity and resources can
• 1:15:14
  play in right to like your deviated IQ.
• 1:15:16
  So of course we see men having higher IQ at the end of the
• 1:15:17
  spectrum compared to women just because they have more
• 1:15:19
  opportunity, resources and access.
• 1:15:21
  It's. Misogy.
• 1:15:22
  It's misogyny, right? Women are dumb because.
• 1:15:24
  It's. Not being in the top 10%.
• 1:15:27
  Ask me questions let. Me ask you a question I want to
• 1:15:29
  ask you a question about leadership.
• 1:15:30
  What do you think are good leadership traits?
• 1:15:31
  Can you give me some examples of what like good leadership traits
• 1:15:33
  are? That's a.
• 1:15:34
  Great question. I think I'll give you a great
• 1:15:35
  answer. We could talk about a good
• 1:15:37
  morally virtuous character. We could talk about ability to
• 1:15:38
  get along with other people, bring people together and get
• 1:15:40
  them to follow you. Another thing that I'd say a
• 1:15:41
  good leader is just someone who could bring people together, but
• 1:15:43
  a good leader is also someone that can lead those people into
• 1:15:45
  a positive direction. The reason that leadership
• 1:15:46
  exists in the 1st place is because when you take a large
• 1:15:48
  group of people and you set them on their own paths, they're not
• 1:15:51
  going to get shit done. Thereby, you choose one of that
• 1:15:52
  large group of people to lead them all in.
• 1:15:54
  What a positive direction. So you're looking for someone
• 1:15:55
  with good character. You're looking for somebody to
• 1:15:57
  bring people together, looking for some pretty damn competent
• 1:15:59
  as well and some that achieve like the highest level of
• 1:16:01
  ammonia for people leading. I'm sure there's other
• 1:16:02
  attributes to leadership here, but going to be a general since.
• 1:16:06
  Look. Do you need to respond to?
• 1:16:10
  Let's do one minute closing statement here.
• 1:16:11
  Can I just respond? And I'm going to do Charles.
• 1:16:13
  Yeah, go. Ahead.
• 1:16:14
  OK, so I just responded. To that, I mean, and this is
• 1:16:15
  kind of the whole essence of the debate, 'cause you, you
• 1:16:18
  fundamentally misunderstand human nature and you know
• 1:16:20
  nothing about leadership. You say it's about bringing
• 1:16:21
  everyone together to move in a positive direction.
• 1:16:24
  It's like this is a problem with Gen.
• 1:16:25
  Z. It's like this kind of
• 1:16:25
  kindergarten. Hang on, can I, can I finish,
• 1:16:27
  please? I didn't interrupt all that.
• 1:16:28
  It's. Sort of like hey.
• 1:16:29
  Everybody let's all hold hands and let's just create, you know,
• 1:16:31
  like everyone's being nice to each other.
• 1:16:32
  The world is a mess, OK? The world is a knife fight on
• 1:16:35
  the global scale. When you're talking about
• 1:16:36
  leaders and armies, it's a knife fight for existence.
• 1:16:38
  We're talking about companies. It's a knife fight for
• 1:16:40
  existence. We're talking about anything
• 1:16:42
  human competition. It's practically homicidal
• 1:16:44
  between people. And anyone that's serious about
• 1:16:45
  anything will tell you that. Anyone that's obsessed, anyone
• 1:16:47
  that's ambitious, anyone who is ruling, who is actually the
• 1:16:49
  leaders in society who earn their role there, they'll tell
• 1:16:51
  you the same thing. It's cutthroat.
• 1:16:52
  And yeah, like, though there are some abilities, like you said,
• 1:16:54
  like, yeah, you need to inspire people, things like that.
• 1:16:56
  But more than that, you need a willingness to do what it takes.
• 1:16:58
  You need an ambition. You need to take risks.
• 1:16:59
  You need to be willing to make decisions and stand by them.
• 1:17:02
  These are all qualities that purely because of gender and
• 1:17:04
  hormones, because of their biological role, women don't
• 1:17:06
  have those things because women have to have a baby, grow inside
• 1:17:08
  of them for nine months and then hear stream and cry and take
• 1:17:10
  care of it and feed them from their breasts and have like
• 1:17:12
  basically a dependent. They're just not made for that
• 1:17:14
  kind of competition. They have a completely care
• 1:17:16
  based ethics. They're totally dependent men
• 1:17:18
  who are individuals, risk takers, aggressive men who can
• 1:17:20
  exist independently of women when it's really not.
• 1:17:22
  So the other way around. They alone have the ability to
• 1:17:24
  do what it takes to lead. And that's why even with all the
• 1:17:26
  DEI in the world, you're still going to have men running
• 1:17:28
  everything, the private sector, the public sector, the military,
• 1:17:30
  because men are the ones that can lead and thus they do.
• 1:17:32
  It's only through ideologically motivated policies from human
• 1:17:35
  resources departments that you get women doing fucking anything
• 1:17:37
  other than like creating schedules and being nurses and
• 1:17:39
  being fucking teachers and stuff like that.
• 1:17:40
  That's just reality. Everyone knows it.
• 1:17:42
  And you can give me 100 studies. That's human nature, Dean
• 1:17:44
  responding. Yeah, yeah, it's.
• 1:17:46
  Funny. How you're saying that you can't
• 1:17:47
  get women to do anything if a woman then do something.
• 1:17:48
  You want to be sitting here having this debate with me right
• 1:17:50
  now, but I just wanted to respond to that.
• 1:17:52
  You're saying men are so much better at leading than women and
• 1:17:54
  I hate women because I haven't touched one since conception.
• 1:17:56
  Sorry, that's not what you said. You actually said, you know, you
• 1:17:58
  know, because they're not. I don't have sex.
• 1:18:00
  With them, they're not my wife, I.
• 1:18:02
  Don't. I don't know about that.
• 1:18:03
  Anyways. So you're a rapist?
• 1:18:06
  Orange man bad. What evidence?
• 1:18:07
  Orange. Lad, So what I was going to ask
• 1:18:10
  well if like ambition, risk taking and aggressiveness is
• 1:18:13
  what makes you a good leader, Hitler was an incredibly
• 1:18:16
  ambitious, aggressive risk taker.
• 1:18:18
  Given your qualifications, which is thereby say that Hitler is a
• 1:18:21
  good leader, the. The look on Nick and Sneako's
• 1:18:24
  face immediately said it all. It's a.
• 1:18:27
  Beautiful he is. It's beautifully.
• 1:18:29
  You can even say he's evil. He's he made Germany great
• 1:18:32
  again, you believe? He's evil.
• 1:18:34
  Who would you rather have it run?
• 1:18:34
  Our country right now, your wife or Hitler?
• 1:18:38
  Hitler. Of.
• 1:18:39
  Course. Of course I don't.
• 1:18:41
  I don't have a. Wife.
• 1:18:41
  But if I did, she would not be fit to run the country, I could
• 1:18:43
  tell you that much. She can run the kitchen, she can
• 1:18:45
  run. She can't run the lawn mower.
• 1:18:47
  I'll put it that way. And I think anyone would.
• 1:18:49
  Once in the chat, if you'd rather Hitler over your wife.
• 1:18:50
  Twos, if you prefer your wife, we'll let the chat.
• 1:18:52
  We'll let the fucking numbers do the talking over here.
• 1:18:54
  I don't think I'm alone in that. OK, let's do 1.
• 1:18:56
  Minute closing goes. Do one minute Nick, and then
• 1:18:57
  one. Minute, Dean.
• 1:18:59
  Nick. Yeah.
• 1:19:01
  So my closing statement. Is that, you know, look, it's
• 1:19:04
  human nature. I am not an empiricist.
• 1:19:06
  I don't think we need to consult the studies.
• 1:19:07
  I, I think we know our nature. I think God created a man and
• 1:19:10
  woman. We're created with two different
• 1:19:11
  reproductive faculties. We're created with, as a result,
• 1:19:13
  different anatomies, different natures, different dispositions.
• 1:19:15
  We're made with complementarity. Men and women are not only made
• 1:19:18
  differently, they're made to complement each other, which
• 1:19:19
  doesn't mean that they're necessarily opposites, but it
• 1:19:21
  does mean that there's like reciprocal differences as a
• 1:19:23
  result of these essential, immutable differences.
• 1:19:26
  We should treat men and women differently.
• 1:19:27
  And we do. That's why we have things like
• 1:19:29
  chivalry. That's why men don't hit women.
• 1:19:30
  That's why men and women don't compete in the same sports.
• 1:19:33
  And you know, a lot of people understand that.
• 1:19:34
  But then they don't understand why we would say we don't want a
• 1:19:35
  woman president or why we wouldn't want to send women into
• 1:19:37
  combat or why we think that men aren't bad ass bikers and
• 1:19:40
  whatever in the same way that men are.
• 1:19:41
  But it all proceeds from the same essential complementary
• 1:19:43
  natures that the two sexes were given by God.
• 1:19:45
  That's not otherwise. It's just our eyes and our.
• 1:19:47
  Experience and what we know about ourselves and and the
• 1:19:49
  people in our lives. Dean.
• 1:19:51
  God, one minute. Yeah, first.
• 1:19:53
  Of all you said. That's why men don't hit women,
• 1:19:55
  men do hit women. It sucks.
• 1:19:57
  Second of all, let's talk about why men are not better at
• 1:19:59
  leading than women. Every single point that Nick
• 1:20:01
  Fuentes has gave has been reduced to him telling us all
• 1:20:04
  that Hitler is a better candidate for America's
• 1:20:06
  President today compared to Kamala Harris or his very own
• 1:20:07
  wife. I don't give a shit about the 12
• 1:20:09
  or 13 year old little boys spamming one in Aiden's chat.
• 1:20:11
  Anyone with half of a fucking brain cell can tell that this
• 1:20:14
  logic is not immutable and it leads you to being a fucking in
• 1:20:16
  cell RNC Droid repeating the same alternative media talking
• 1:20:19
  points that you got from Andrew fucking Tate.
• 1:20:21
  OK, right. The facts of the matter are?
• 1:20:23
  This guy said men are better leading than women because are
• 1:20:24
  physically stronger. Physical strength is not
• 1:20:26
  indicative of being better at leading.
• 1:20:27
  Go talk to the biggest first of all.
• 1:20:28
  Saying it's RNC talking points is retarded.
• 1:20:32
  Second thing saying that Nick got his points from Andrew Tate.
• 1:20:35
  Andrew Tate got his points from Nick.
• 1:20:37
  Like, are you kidding, crazy guy in your gym and.
• 1:20:41
  See who'd be better at leading? This guy also brought up levels
• 1:20:44
  of emotion and we all know this. That's why they commit vast
• 1:20:47
  majority of violent crimes. That's why they commit vast
• 1:20:48
  majority of suicides. That's why they abuse hard drugs
• 1:20:50
  more even you cannot be etcetera more.
• 1:20:52
  Another point that he brought up was intelligence.
• 1:20:54
  Women have a higher IQ on average.
• 1:20:55
  Let's face the facts folks, there's no evidence to believe
• 1:20:58
  that men are better at leading than women.
• 1:20:59
  And I suggest you treat the women in your life damn well and
• 1:21:02
  don't tell them to stay in the kitchen or you're not going to
• 1:21:04
  get a life. There's 28 year old over here
• 1:21:06
  hasn't been able to get a girlfriend since he was born.
• 1:21:08
  That's why folks, that's why you're an in cell.
• 1:21:10
  But we're going to go ahead and move on.
• 1:21:11
  OK, let's go back. To Trump, Campbell.
• 1:21:12
  In the beginning, we'll say who's stronger on immigration,
• 1:21:14
  Trump or Campbell. Oh.
• 1:21:18
  This one we'll give you. Let's do 2 minutes, keep a
• 1:21:20
  little shorter. 2 minute intro, yeah.
• 1:21:22
  Sure, Kamala Harris is stronger on immigration.
• 1:21:24
  Well, this ones just evidently clear.
• 1:21:25
  Donald Trump is pro open borders.
• 1:21:27
  Huh? Why is Donald Trump pro open
• 1:21:30
  borders? Because he torpedoed A
• 1:21:31
  bipartisan border bill in the House and the Senate two years
• 1:21:34
  ago. Drafted by a by a Trump endorsed
• 1:21:36
  Republican by the name of Langford.
• 1:21:37
  OK, Trump is pro open borders right now because he knows it's
• 1:21:40
  going to increase his chance of winning reelection.
• 1:21:41
  Another thought here. If I was a conservative and I
• 1:21:43
  cared about immigration, Donald Trump wouldn't be my guy.
• 1:21:45
  He essentially passed no policy that effectively mitigated
• 1:21:48
  increasing numbers of border crossings and entries into our
• 1:21:50
  country under his term. The wall didn't do shit.
• 1:21:53
  The remain in Mexico Poly policy didn't do shit.
• 1:21:55
  If you look at the graph behind Donald Trump at the rally that
• 1:21:57
  he got shot at, he claimed that his clamp down on the southern
• 1:21:59
  border started with Title 42 and COVID.
• 1:22:01
  The big public health emergency that Nick Fuentes over here
• 1:22:03
  probably thinks was a common cold is the only reason that we
• 1:22:06
  had as low of border entries under Trump's administration as
• 1:22:08
  we did. Kamala Harris, on the other
• 1:22:10
  hand, right, she wants to send more funding, funding to the to
• 1:22:12
  the courts on the borders to expedite the asylum.
• 1:22:14
  Dean, Really. Is the worst of liberalism?
• 1:22:16
  Like this is the outcome. You have this low test son who
• 1:22:20
  is just a sad excuse of a man. Like imagine Dean's your kid.
• 1:22:25
  You find out you're having a son, you're like, let's go, I'm
• 1:22:27
  having a boy. And then this kid is as gay as
• 1:22:31
  it gets. An absolute retard.
• 1:22:33
  White knighting for women, immigrants, all these things
• 1:22:36
  seeking processes to reduce. Undocumented migration in our
• 1:22:38
  country. She's the only candidate in in
• 1:22:40
  the race to prosecute transatlantic gangs.
• 1:22:42
  But the moral of the story, the one point that I want to stick
• 1:22:45
  for Nick Fuentes over here to respond to is that Donald Trump
• 1:22:47
  is pro open border because he torpedoed good border policy in
• 1:22:50
  house in the Senate two years ago because he wanted the crisis
• 1:22:52
  to continue and make the Democrats look bad.
• 1:22:55
  Nick, you. Got 2 minutes all right.
• 1:22:56
  Yeah. That's just like obviously out
• 1:22:58
  of touch with reality. I knew he would go there.
• 1:23:00
  And that's why I want to talk about immigration.
• 1:23:02
  I mean, you can make that case if history started in the year
• 1:23:04
  2024 that Trump torpedoed the border bill and that's why the
• 1:23:08
  border is bad. But of course, time didn't start
• 1:23:10
  in 2024. It started with immigration a
• 1:23:13
  long time ago. Trump had a number of executive
• 1:23:15
  orders that curbed illegal border crossings.
• 1:23:17
  It wasn't just the Migrant Protection Protocols.
• 1:23:18
  It was a number of others meant to close loopholes with catch
• 1:23:20
  and release and so they could return immigrants to 3rd party
• 1:23:23
  countries. It wasn't just Title 42 when the
• 1:23:25
  Biden administration, one did all of them literally on the
• 1:23:27
  first day Trump built a border wall.
• 1:23:28
  You say it did nothing. Department of Homeland Security
• 1:23:30
  says actually it reduced crossings, reduced drug
• 1:23:32
  trafficking over the border, reduced human smuggling over the
• 1:23:34
  border. That's all true.
• 1:23:35
  He built 386 miles of physical infrastructure.
• 1:23:37
  And he did it, by the way, after Congress refused to give him the
• 1:23:39
  money after the Supreme Court, rather a federal judge tried to
• 1:23:42
  hold it up in the court system. Finally by the end of his term,
• 1:23:44
  he was able to get the money from the DoD to fill to build a
• 1:23:46
  border wall. Biden stopped building out on
• 1:23:48
  day one. Biden also effectively ended
• 1:23:50
  deportations. There was a policy under Obama
• 1:23:52
  where they said they weren't going to prioritize most illegal
• 1:23:54
  immigration for deportations. Under Trump, they put an
• 1:23:56
  executive order that said we're going to prioritize all illegal
• 1:23:58
  immigrants for deportation. Biden rescinded that executive
• 1:24:00
  order. Trump had an executive order
• 1:24:01
  that said while you're waiting for your asylum claim to be
• 1:24:03
  adjudicated, you wait in Mexico, not in the interior of the
• 1:24:05
  United States. Biden rescinded that executive
• 1:24:07
  order. Trump said we will return you to
• 1:24:09
  one of the Northern Triangle countries, a third party
• 1:24:11
  country. Biden rescinded that executive
• 1:24:13
  order. As a result, illegal immigration
• 1:24:14
  under Biden is higher than at any point in history by far.
• 1:24:17
  In the 10 years between 2010 and 2020, illegal border crossings
• 1:24:20
  only one year on average on a day-to-day basis were over 3000.
• 1:24:23
  Per day it was 4006 thousand and now it's over 7000 border
• 1:24:28
  crossings. So it's almost three times the
• 1:24:29
  10 year average. And that's because they removed
• 1:24:31
  the Trump era policies. Now they want to blame it on a
• 1:24:33
  Senate bill this year. I don't think so.
• 1:24:35
  Thank you. For all the information, Nick,
• 1:24:36
  I'm going to have fun with this. First of all, really quick.
• 1:24:38
  Thank you to Austin sobbing on kick.
• 1:24:41
  It's funny that you. Think you're so educated about
• 1:24:42
  the border, and then you say that Langford's bill was in the
• 1:24:44
  Senate in 2024. No, that was 2023.
• 1:24:46
  It started drafting in late 2021.
• 1:24:48
  Secondly, you mentioned all the policies that Trump enacted that
• 1:24:51
  Biden repealed. First of all, if you look at the
• 1:24:53
  border crossings under Donald Trump's presidency, they went up
• 1:24:56
  year by year by year until Title 42 was implemented.
• 1:24:59
  What does that tell us? Immigration after these great
• 1:25:01
  policies didn't go down. What else do we know is that
• 1:25:04
  these policies weren't in place under Obama's administration.
• 1:25:07
  Did we have a border crisis to the same degree that we have now
• 1:25:09
  under Obama's administration? No.
• 1:25:10
  At points, we had lower crossings than we had under
• 1:25:12
  Trump. Phenomenal.
• 1:25:13
  What does this tell us is that Biden repealing those policies
• 1:25:15
  didn't cause the crisis to start.
• 1:25:17
  So what did? That's a great question.
• 1:25:19
  Well, let's treat Title 42, the total and complete shutdown
• 1:25:22
  caused by or implemented because of the public health emergency,
• 1:25:24
  like a dam on a river. OK.
• 1:25:25
  And that dam sat on the river for a year and a half, two
• 1:25:27
  years, however long it was. When you remove the dam from the
• 1:25:29
  river, what happens? Water gushes through.
• 1:25:32
  When Title 42 expired, guess what all of those migrants that
• 1:25:35
  had been backlogged gushed through.
• 1:25:36
  This was natural, normal and expected.
• 1:25:38
  We should evaluate the responsibility and the efficacy
• 1:25:40
  of our current administration based upon their response to
• 1:25:42
  this crisis being caused by the revoke of Title 42.
• 1:25:44
  And what was their response to implement bipartisan border
• 1:25:46
  legislation? And the first step they took was
• 1:25:48
  to influence exactly that through the House and the
• 1:25:49
  Senate. That was Lankford's bill.
• 1:25:51
  What happened next? Trump calls the Republicans in
• 1:25:53
  the House, in the Senate, tells them to vote against the
• 1:25:54
  torpedoes the bill, Nick, over here knows the story.
• 1:25:55
  But I would like to ask you a very crystal clear question,
• 1:25:58
  Nick. And it is in the sense of
• 1:25:59
  hypothetical. If your house is burning down
• 1:26:01
  and the fire truck shows up to put out the fire and you tell
• 1:26:03
  the fire truck to turn around because you want the house to
• 1:26:05
  burn so you can claim the insurance money, did you care
• 1:26:08
  about the house? Well, it's an.
• 1:26:10
  Incorrect hypothetical because the bill would actually
• 1:26:13
  concretize the Biden era policies.
• 1:26:15
  The The bill does not secure the border, so the premise fails on
• 1:26:17
  that alone. And the way that I'd respond to
• 1:26:20
  do you know? Wait, let me ask you, do you
• 1:26:21
  know the details of the bill? Can you tell me the provisions
• 1:26:23
  that are in? The bill please, I can tell you
• 1:26:25
  a handful like what was it like an additional $500 million
• 1:26:27
  towards the courts on the border tax but I silent seeking claims.
• 1:26:30
  Then we also had like some rolling some rolling average
• 1:26:31
  daily caps and weekly caps in which the president convinced
• 1:26:33
  you that they are bordered down. I think it was like 5000 a day
• 1:26:36
  for like a weekly cap. But here's my response to that.
• 1:26:38
  You said that the average over the administration was like 7 or
• 1:26:40
  9000 a day. Whatever you said it was if you
• 1:26:42
  were starving and I offered you a hamburger, would you take it
• 1:26:44
  or would you say no I want a bacon wrapped filet you take the
• 1:26:46
  damn hamburger. So when the border crisis is
• 1:26:48
  exuberly high and if this bipartisan border legislation
• 1:26:50
  that the alt right like Nick Fuentes isn't happy about any
• 1:26:52
  rational, sane person with, that's retarded.
• 1:26:54
  That's just like saying like someone's raping you and they
• 1:26:58
  say they'll go slightly less hard.
• 1:27:00
  Like like like like fuck off. It's like no how about the rape
• 1:27:03
  just stops? How about you stop allowing the
• 1:27:05
  illegal immigrants into the country altogether?
• 1:27:07
  Not create a bill that allowed 5000 a day you fucking cunt.
• 1:27:12
  Like. Take the bill to decrease the
• 1:27:14
  impact of the crisis. All right, now let.
• 1:27:16
  Me respond to that now because you you went on your whole thing
• 1:27:18
  about, you know, you corrected me on some of these things.
• 1:27:20
  What about that? Well, because the premise of the
• 1:27:21
  question is wrong, but I'll answer that.
• 1:27:23
  You want me to answer? These like false hypotheticals
• 1:27:25
  and syllogisms, but that's not really how a debate works.
• 1:27:27
  Actually if. You know if passing this.
• 1:27:29
  Bill is like putting out a fire. Would you pass the bill?
• 1:27:31
  OK, so first of all, you said the bill was from 20/23.
• 1:27:35
  The bill failed in 2024, and that's because it resulted from
• 1:27:38
  the impasse over appropriations. In September 2023, there was an
• 1:27:41
  impasse in Congress over 12 military appropriations bills.
• 1:27:44
  The deadline was October 1st. That's why Kevin McCarthy was
• 1:27:46
  removed, because the Freedom Caucus, specifically the MAGA
• 1:27:48
  caucus within it, insisted on what they were calling, I forget
• 1:27:51
  the name of it, but a certain border provision in the spending
• 1:27:53
  bill. McCarthy wouldn't go for it.
• 1:27:54
  And they kept passing continuing resolutions until a bipartisan
• 1:27:57
  agreement was put together in the Senate.
• 1:27:59
  But at that point, and that was in February, Mitch McConnell
• 1:28:01
  said my first priority is Ukraine because that was the
• 1:28:03
  other sticking point in negotiations.
• 1:28:04
  So the Republicans, because they wanted Ukraine aid to pass,
• 1:28:07
  which was another subject of the impasse.
• 1:28:08
  Is it fine? Fine.
• 1:28:09
  Here's your border concessions and I'll tell you the
• 1:28:11
  provisions. You don't know.
• 1:28:12
  It said that it would only mandate enforcement of the
• 1:28:14
  border when daily apprehensions hit more than 8000 per day.
• 1:28:17
  Again, the average of the past 20 years is 2 to 3000 per day.
• 1:28:20
  It would say you only have to enforce.
• 1:28:22
  That's what the bill says. The bill says 8000 per day.
• 1:28:25
  It says that the administration can get emergency authority at
• 1:28:28
  5000 per day on average over 7 day period.
• 1:28:31
  But it only dates it only no. Not a lie it mandates.
• 1:28:35
  Enforcement AT-80005000. Excuse me, Excuse me, I'll let
• 1:28:37
  you finish your. Nonsense when you said it was in
• 1:28:39
  23 when it wasn't. So you're wrong about that.
• 1:28:41
  It mandates it at 8000 per day. What's more, again, the daily
• 1:28:44
  averages for 20 years, 1020 years, it was 2 to 3000 under
• 1:28:47
  the Biden administration, it goes up past 7000.
• 1:28:49
  They want to say, well, 5000 you get emergency powers, 8000 you
• 1:28:53
  have to use emergency powers. That's far too many.
• 1:28:55
  There's been and this whole argument about a backlog because
• 1:28:57
  title 4210 million illegal immigrants have come in under
• 1:29:00
  Biden, Title 42 was implemented. When did the lockdown happen?
• 1:29:02
  March 2020. You think 10 million illegals
• 1:29:04
  were trying to get in in the nine month period between March
• 1:29:06
  and December of 2020. Biden undid all the policies in
• 1:29:09
  January 2021. So that's just like an ad hoc,
• 1:29:11
  you're just fishing around for an answer.
• 1:29:12
  With regard to the Trump administration, you can see very
• 1:29:14
  clearly cause and effect on immigration.
• 1:29:16
  When Trump was elected, illegal immigration went down because
• 1:29:18
  foreigners anticipated that there would be enforcement.
• 1:29:20
  So, and you can see throughout the history of the country, when
• 1:29:22
  they threaten enforcement, illegals don't come.
• 1:29:23
  When they think they'll get amnesty or they think they'll
• 1:29:25
  get in, more of them arrive. So they thought Trump was going
• 1:29:27
  to be hardliner on immigration. They didn't come.
• 1:29:28
  Then in September and October 2017, Trump floated A DACA
• 1:29:31
  amnesty. He said we're going to give
• 1:29:32
  amnesty to all the Deferred Action on Childhood Arrivals.
• 1:29:34
  The reason that matters is because children being brought
• 1:29:36
  over the border is one of the three big loopholes for how
• 1:29:38
  illegals are caught and released into the country.
• 1:29:40
  They bring children that aren't there and all kinds of other
• 1:29:42
  things. So Trump said, we'll give an
• 1:29:43
  amnesty. Then all of a sudden they
• 1:29:44
  started getting caravans from the Northern Triangle in the
• 1:29:46
  spring of 2018 because he said amnesty.
• 1:29:48
  They heard it. They started to come.
• 1:29:49
  Trump maintained A0 tolerance policy promulgated then by Jeff
• 1:29:52
  Sessions, and they said, we're going to separate the children.
• 1:29:54
  We're going to treat them as unaccompanied minors.
• 1:29:56
  There was a huge media outcry before the election.
• 1:29:58
  They had to reverse it. And then after they reversed it,
• 1:30:00
  it exploded. And May and June 2019, they hit
• 1:30:02
  a peak. Trump implemented the Migrant
• 1:30:04
  Protection Protocols by threatening sanctions or rather
• 1:30:06
  tariffs against Mexico. And then it came down again.
• 1:30:08
  And that is the story of illegal immigration and Trump and the
• 1:30:10
  Biden years. It has everything to do.
• 1:30:12
  It has everything to do with the Biden policies.
• 1:30:14
  They let in 10 million people and then they float out this
• 1:30:16
  half ass. Bill it.
• 1:30:18
  Doesn't let me let me finish. They put out this half ass bill
• 1:30:21
  in the last year because everyone agrees the border's a
• 1:30:23
  crisis. They concretize it and and
• 1:30:25
  basically make legal make in codifying federal law.
• 1:30:28
  Biden's policy like 5000 people a day on average a year.
• 1:30:30
  And then when Republicans voted against it, they said, oh,
• 1:30:31
  Republicans are against border security.
• 1:30:33
  It's a political thing. Even Democrats acknowledge
• 1:30:34
  that's totally fake. You know, you can keep going
• 1:30:36
  with it, but everyone knows it's fake.
• 1:30:38
  OK, well. Apparently, Trump doesn't.
• 1:30:39
  He said at a rally in Nevada to blame it on him.
• 1:30:41
  And the border bill fails. So I think that Trump's big
• 1:30:43
  mouth actually does him a lot of harm because I just used Trump's
• 1:30:46
  own word of mouth to debunk Nick Fuentes supporting Trump.
• 1:30:49
  So, yeah, see, that's the face of a losing man.
• 1:30:51
  And you said that you were just retarded.
• 1:30:53
  OK, well, I don't, I don't appreciate your use of the
• 1:30:54
  slurs. But I guess that's what
• 1:30:56
  emotionally immature men, when someone's smarter than them,
• 1:30:58
  lays down the truth. Isn't that right, Sir?
• 1:30:59
  10 Minutes. Men are funny.
• 1:31:02
  Men are funny. Women are not funny.
• 1:31:03
  That's another advantage. But that's the other debate.
• 1:31:04
  Are you a woman? You can call it emotionally.
• 1:31:06
  Immature. Oh my gosh, he said.
• 1:31:07
  He said the R word. That's what happens when an
• 1:31:09
  emotionally immature male. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
• 1:31:11
  Go ahead according to your on immigration.
• 1:31:13
  According to your. Logic, but I would like to
• 1:31:15
  specifically clarify that your comment about men being more
• 1:31:17
  funny than women, which is another unfunny false fucking
• 1:31:19
  comment by an immature man. I didn't find it that fucking
• 1:31:22
  funny when you were telling us that the Holocaust was fake and
• 1:31:24
  that 6 million people didn't die.
• 1:31:26
  I didn't find it that fucking. Funny when you sat here.
• 1:31:28
  And you told me that Trump didn't torpedo the border bill,
• 1:31:31
  even though he said he did at a rally in Nevada.
• 1:31:33
  If men were so much more funny than women, then why are you the
• 1:31:35
  most unfunny fucking specimen that I've ever had the
• 1:31:37
  displeasure of sitting across the damn phone with?
• 1:31:39
  Why are you mad? Dude, why are we're just having
• 1:31:41
  a debate? Wait, who's funnier, Trump or
• 1:31:42
  Kamala? Who's funnier?
• 1:31:44
  Be honest, Trump is funnier than Kamala Harris.
• 1:31:46
  Case that point. I win the debate.
• 1:31:48
  Men funnier than women. Oh, OK, you.
• 1:31:49
  Heard it here first, do you understand?
• 1:31:50
  The reason I'd say that Trump is funnier than Kamala Harris is
• 1:31:52
  because he's the eye. No, no, because he has the IQ of
• 1:31:55
  your fucking family pet and he sits on Twitter all day and he
• 1:31:57
  rants about how much he hates Taylor Swift just because he
• 1:31:59
  endorsed Kamala Harris. It was funny.
• 1:32:01
  She endorsed Kamal. It's not a funny and a ha ha.
• 1:32:03
  It's a funny and it look at this guy.
• 1:32:04
  Fucking burn dude. Why it's always like this?
• 1:32:07
  Diminutive. It's funny because it's sad.
• 1:32:08
  Because you're sad. Little It was, dude.
• 1:32:10
  He's the president, tweeted in all caps.
• 1:32:11
  I hate Taylor Swift. You don't think that's funny?
• 1:32:13
  You don't think that's not hilarious like the president, do
• 1:32:15
  you think? That Trump won 2020 the form I
• 1:32:16
  said the former president. But do you think Trump won 2020
• 1:32:18
  100%? He did.
• 1:32:19
  That's a fact. Can you name one court case that
• 1:32:21
  would find no because they threw all the course?
• 1:32:22
  They threw all the cases out because they lacked standing.
• 1:32:24
  OK, so is it OK to? Believe in things about
• 1:32:25
  evidence. There is evidence you.
• 1:32:27
  Asked about court cases. But the court cases weren't
• 1:32:28
  lost. They were thrown out because
• 1:32:29
  they didn't have standing. There's a difference.
• 1:32:31
  So. There's not any evidence, no,
• 1:32:32
  there is evidence so. What's the evidence in the?
• 1:32:34
  Widespread voter fight in 2020. The evidence is this.
• 1:32:36
  Do you know how many people voted early in the 2016
• 1:32:38
  election? Do you know what percentage
• 1:32:39
  significantly? Less than in the 2020 election.
• 1:32:41
  Correct half. 35% and in 20/20 was 70%.
• 1:32:44
  OK. So that's your.
• 1:32:44
  Evidence that Trump had the election stolen from him?
• 1:32:46
  Well, hey. Let me, let me.
• 1:32:47
  Whoa. Why so hasty?
• 1:32:48
  Let's let's just talk about it. I'm sorry, I'm not the amount.
• 1:32:51
  Yeah, I can tell the amount of early voting doubled because
• 1:32:54
  they changed the rules in all the.
• 1:32:55
  States. They change rules in
• 1:32:56
  Pennsylvania, North Carolina, They legally change rules with
• 1:32:58
  state election boards with the state Supreme Court.
• 1:33:01
  In Wisconsin, they changed indefinitely confined status to
• 1:33:03
  mean anybody because of the pandemic.
• 1:33:04
  They solicited ballots. I literally got a ballot in
• 1:33:06
  Illinois for my uncle who has been dead for 20 years because
• 1:33:09
  they were soliciting ballots. And I would just say, if you let
• 1:33:11
  me ask you this, if democracy is so sacred which you believe, you
• 1:33:14
  know, Como is going to protect and preserve our democracy.
• 1:33:16
  We're not going to get Trump. Try to.
• 1:33:17
  Overthrow it with a but if but. If if democracy is so precious,
• 1:33:20
  then a ballot is a precious thing, because the ballot is the
• 1:33:22
  currency, the election. Do you think that it's good
• 1:33:24
  practice to ship out ballots to every voter and then tell them
• 1:33:26
  to dump them off in a drop box in a park, unsupervised for a
• 1:33:29
  month at anytime during the day? You think that's a good way to
• 1:33:31
  run an election? Yeah.
• 1:33:32
  OK, I. Mean then Trump shouldn't have
• 1:33:33
  voted, right? Well, is it?
• 1:33:34
  I'm asking you, is it that's what happened, yeah, I think.
• 1:33:36
  A mail in ballots can be made secure.
• 1:33:37
  I understand like your immediate like response to them saying
• 1:33:39
  that oh, if I use these words in this particular way, this
• 1:33:41
  doesn't seem well, just answer. I mean, do you think that's a
• 1:33:43
  good way to run an election? Obviously not.
• 1:33:45
  It is in the imperious way. Agree with me.
• 1:33:46
  There's no sufficient evidence of Whitefoot fraud.
• 1:33:47
  All the audits that were done on the outcome of the 2020 election
• 1:33:50
  indicated that it was a safe election recorded U.S. history.
• 1:33:52
  Donald Trump conducted 31 moment.
• 1:33:53
  Donald Trump went to the 63 handpick courts with 34 of those
• 1:33:55
  judges being Republican appointed, 17 of those judges
• 1:33:57
  being appointed by himself. All 63 of those courts that
• 1:33:59
  there was no sufficient evidence and threwed on the one on the
• 1:34:01
  evidence. And then Donald Trump to form
• 1:34:02
  his own election integrity committee and bumped millions of
• 1:34:04
  dollars into them to find absolutely anything.
• 1:34:07
  They came up with a 2000 Mules movie which the producers
• 1:34:09
  admitted in fucking court that they were lying.
• 1:34:10
  And when he found out that he had no evidence, what did he do?
• 1:34:12
  He went to the DOJ with Bill Barr and tried to pressure him
• 1:34:15
  in to falsely announcing widespread voter fraud when
• 1:34:17
  there wasn't any. And if you know anything about
• 1:34:19
  your history, Bill Barr had to resign from the DOJ because half
• 1:34:22
  of the DOJ threatened to quit if he didn't.
• 1:34:24
  Donald Trump not only tried to rig the outcome of the 2020
• 1:34:27
  election with the fake electorate plot, sending 7
• 1:34:29
  different state slates of fake electorates to seven different
• 1:34:31
  states, fake votes into Congress to either be certified as real
• 1:34:33
  by Mike Pence or to be like or to be accepted by the House.
• 1:34:36
  If Mike Pence were to claim ignorance, but he also lied
• 1:34:38
  about the outcome. Your conspiracy theory that
• 1:34:40
  Donald Trump won is has no evidence for it and the only
• 1:34:42
  thing you could come up with was Pennsylvania changing their
• 1:34:44
  voting rules because of COVID, which by the way was ruled as
• 1:34:46
  legal by the Supreme Court. You're just like, not even
• 1:34:48
  listening. It was Pennsylvania, North
• 1:34:49
  Carolina, Wisconsin, and basically every, and they all
• 1:34:50
  did it legally. Basically every state changed
• 1:34:53
  rules the election. And I would say, you're telling
• 1:34:54
  me, oh, putting 70% of the voters voting early by putting
• 1:34:57
  them in mailboxes a month out from the election in an
• 1:34:59
  unsupervised Dropbox, you're saying that is a good idea.
• 1:35:01
  You're just putting words in a particular order.
• 1:35:03
  Well, they don't do it like that in France because, you know, we
• 1:35:05
  didn't do it here in America. The absentee voting was so rare
• 1:35:07
  up until like 20 years ago, up until four years ago, because
• 1:35:09
  it's so prone to fraud. Obviously when you vote in
• 1:35:11
  person, you got to present in certain states.
• 1:35:13
  Hang on, I just. I let you just go.
• 1:35:15
  You got to present your ID, you receive your ballot, they watch
• 1:35:17
  you. You go into a room with curtains
• 1:35:19
  on it because there's privacy involved too.
• 1:35:20
  You fill it out, you submit it. They call the chain of custody,
• 1:35:22
  meaning a supervisor watches the voter get their ballot, fill it
• 1:35:25
  out, and return it. It doesn't happen when you're
• 1:35:26
  doing so-called in person absentee voting and that's how
• 1:35:29
  70% of people voted. That's a big problem.
• 1:35:30
  It's a big problem. They changed the rules without
• 1:35:32
  doing it in a constitutional way.
• 1:35:33
  It's a big problem that those cases weren't even considered in
• 1:35:35
  the Supreme Court. It's also a big problem, by the
• 1:35:37
  way, they didn't do an independent ballot audit in
• 1:35:38
  almost any of the states. They did one in Arizona.
• 1:35:40
  It was flawed. They still found where did they
• 1:35:41
  conduct an independent ballot audit?
• 1:35:43
  Where did they conduct an independent?
• 1:35:44
  It wasn't independent. They did a report Georgia.
• 1:35:45
  Idaho, no. Indiana, Kansas, Michigan, New
• 1:35:48
  Jersey and Oklahoma. And in fact, I knew that you
• 1:35:50
  just that this is wrong. I knew that you would say that
• 1:35:52
  you would say this is wrong and it's.
• 1:35:54
  Crazy when you think about like Dean is debating Nick but Nick
• 1:35:59
  is debating Dean Parker, their whole discord group and ChatGPT
• 1:36:03
  and Dean is still getting bitched.
• 1:36:06
  Watch up US. State election assistant
• 1:36:07
  Commission election audits across the United States.
• 1:36:10
  It'll give you an entire piece. You're not independent.
• 1:36:11
  That's the price of audits, the timing.
• 1:36:12
  The policies, the case studies and the state specific
• 1:36:14
  information indicating that yes, these were independent.
• 1:36:16
  It's like you're just not even. Listening to them, I didn't say
• 1:36:18
  they didn't do audits or recounts.
• 1:36:19
  No, in no state other than Arizona did they conduct an
• 1:36:21
  independent audit of the ballots.
• 1:36:22
  Of course, if the same people that oversaw the fraud and were
• 1:36:25
  covering up the windows in the stadium in Detroit, of course
• 1:36:27
  the state is going to cover its own ass.
• 1:36:28
  That's why it needs to be independent and they didn't do
• 1:36:30
  it in any state, even though that's what we were asking for.
• 1:36:31
  And by the way, about fake electors, what do you mean by
• 1:36:34
  independent? Independent meaning.
• 1:36:36
  Not conducted by the state. Oh, OK.
• 1:36:38
  Independent of the state. So I just want to clarify.
• 1:36:39
  So you think that Donald Trump shouldn't have went to like the
• 1:36:41
  17 judges that he appointed because those weren't.
• 1:36:43
  So now you're just dish galloping.
• 1:36:44
  Onto something else. You said, oh, I was ready for
• 1:36:45
  you to say that I have all this evidence.
• 1:36:47
  Oh, I didn't listen. And you said independent anyway.
• 1:36:49
  How about judges or something? Let's get.
• 1:36:51
  Back on down with DDD hold. On hold on.
• 1:36:52
  We've been going back and forth about January 6th.
• 1:36:54
  This this topic is about immigration.
• 1:36:55
  Let's go to to closing statements here.
• 1:36:56
  One minute from Dean and then one minute from Nick to closing
• 1:36:58
  statements. You can bring up January 6th,
• 1:36:59
  but let's keep it to immigration if you can, because Nick.
• 1:37:01
  Is raping Dean? Yeah.
• 1:37:03
  I mean, this is in ass kicking. Dean is just such a retard.
• 1:37:07
  He's such a liberal cook and I bet he's a cook in real life.
• 1:37:11
  I mean, imagine your son is just this much of like a little
• 1:37:14
  fanboy. It's just a disappointment.
• 1:37:17
  Actually, I'll give you 90. Seconds to reel back a 90
• 1:37:18
  seconds teach. About the specific ballot
• 1:37:20
  audits, I didn't know what you meant.
• 1:37:21
  You're referencing independent audits.
• 1:37:23
  I understand that you're not referencing audits independent
• 1:37:25
  of the state. I asked you to define your term
• 1:37:26
  and I understand that. Yeah, there's Democrat time.
• 1:37:33
  No, I just don't think that like an audit done by a state can
• 1:37:35
  automatically be discounted because you exist in a echo
• 1:37:38
  Chamber of conspiratorial hearsay and you start off with a
• 1:37:40
  basis. Trump can never lose.
• 1:37:42
  You move to the basis when Trump loses.
• 1:37:44
  No, he's in it. And then tangent of that, you
• 1:37:45
  say all of these audits done by independent states are there by
• 1:37:48
  null and void and I shouldn't listen to them nor the 63
• 1:37:51
  courts. It's just conspiracy theory.
• 1:37:52
  That's what you are. Your mind's been rotted.
• 1:37:53
  Everyone agrees with me. No one agrees with you apart
• 1:37:55
  from Donald Trump, not even his old VP, my sense or 44 of the 46
• 1:37:58
  former cabinet members and that needs to be pointed out.
• 1:38:00
  Now, closing statements about immigration specifically was at
• 1:38:02
  what? You pass force, Nico.
• 1:38:04
  Yeah. I thought it was 90.
• 1:38:05
  Seconds each on J6 and then yeah, I'm down for that.
• 1:38:07
  I'm down. For that, I kind of like this.
• 1:38:08
  Yeah, that's fine. Go.
• 1:38:09
  Ahead. OK, let me do mine now on.
• 1:38:10
  J6 So, you know, here's the thing about the Trump election.
• 1:38:13
  They doubled the number of early voting.
• 1:38:14
  There's obvious flaws with chain of custody.
• 1:38:16
  Like it just doesn't even pass a smell test on that basis alone.
• 1:38:19
  You just can't take the authenticity of the election and
• 1:38:20
  people say it's about you believe Trump can never lose.
• 1:38:22
  I don't think that at all. I think Trump may lose in 2024,
• 1:38:24
  but you have to recognize that 2020 was an anomalous election.
• 1:38:27
  So when there is anomaly, when every state changes how they
• 1:38:30
  conduct their ballot, when there's an unprecedented, the
• 1:38:32
  former peak of early voting was 35%.
• 1:38:34
  It was 70% in 2020. It was different.
• 1:38:36
  When something is different, you have to investigate it.
• 1:38:37
  That's the basis of an inquiry. Problem is nobody wanted to
• 1:38:40
  investigate it as quickly as the election happened.
• 1:38:42
  They wanted to shut it down. They censored people for talking
• 1:38:43
  about it. They didn't conduct independent
• 1:38:45
  ballot audits. And there was even a Time
• 1:38:46
  magazine piece that came out in January 2021 and it said this is
• 1:38:49
  the conspiracy to shut down the election deniers.
• 1:38:51
  And there was like a full spectrum attack from the
• 1:38:53
  Democrats on the left on protesters, on people that were
• 1:38:56
  investigating this to prevent them from trying to decertify,
• 1:38:58
  trying to send on over other slates of electors.
• 1:39:00
  And I would point out it is the state legislatures
• 1:39:02
  constitutional authority to send electors if they throw out the
• 1:39:04
  election because they don't want to certify it and appoint a
• 1:39:06
  different state of electors, that's their constitutional
• 1:39:08
  right to do so. That's just the law.
• 1:39:09
  And I would just say, look, if you really believe that 80
• 1:39:11
  million people voted for Biden, that the 2020 election had more
• 1:39:14
  voters than any election in history by far, and it just
• 1:39:16
  happened to be the one where there was all mail in ballots 10
• 1:39:18
  seconds, then yeah, I just think you're dumb.
• 1:39:20
  I mean, so. So that's kind of my closing
• 1:39:22
  statement on J6. Let's go closing statements on
• 1:39:23
  immigration on immigration. Go ahead, Dean.
• 1:39:24
  Cool. I'm I'm just.
• 1:39:25
  You can take this off my time. Well, you told me that your
• 1:39:28
  whole theory here is relying on this mail test.
• 1:39:29
  Nick, I fucking smell bullshit. We shouldn't be relying on our
• 1:39:31
  intuitions and our emotions to tell us who won the 2020
• 1:39:33
  election. I think that conservatives are
• 1:39:35
  so funny because we'll be like, listen to the science, trans
• 1:39:37
  women. Or women I.
• 1:39:37
  Don't care about what you think or feel.
• 1:39:39
  You have XY, XX chromosomes, but then sit over here and give me
• 1:39:41
  some bullshit smell test to dictate who won in 2020.
• 1:39:43
  About immigration specifically, I think it's definitely clear
• 1:39:45
  that Donald Trump doesn't care about the southern border or
• 1:39:47
  else he went out torpeded the bipartisan border building house
• 1:39:48
  in the Senate two years ago. I think that it's evidently
• 1:39:50
  clear that he's not about getting shit done.
• 1:39:52
  He's repeating the same Republican tagline that every
• 1:39:53
  Republican in the last 20 years has with quote UN quote, deport
• 1:39:56
  them all. My question to you would be why
• 1:39:57
  didn't Bush? They can't do it.
• 1:39:58
  It's practically infeasible. I say that we deport all violent
• 1:40:00
  undocumented migrants and then give the rest a pathway to
• 1:40:02
  residency and their citizenship. Fix our southern border, make it
• 1:40:04
  faster, make it quicker and make it safer, and then crack down
• 1:40:06
  further on undocumented migration when our legal systems
• 1:40:08
  are up to par. Either deport them, all right,
• 1:40:09
  Get rid of $1.7 trillion from our economy over the next 10
• 1:40:12
  years. You don't care about the debt,
• 1:40:14
  you don't care about the state of the economy.
• 1:40:15
  You don't care about the workers in the economy.
• 1:40:17
  All that you care about is spewing your fucking prejudice.
• 1:40:19
  You're doing the same thing with the migrants now that you did
• 1:40:21
  with gay people and women 30 minutes ago.
• 1:40:23
  Take it away. Close your saving.
• 1:40:24
  Next one minute basket at. Deplorable, right?
• 1:40:26
  Which is a basket at deplorable with regard to immigration,
• 1:40:28
  everybody knows Biden threw up in the border.
• 1:40:30
  He rescinded every Trump executive order on immigration.
• 1:40:32
  He stopped construction of the wall.
• 1:40:33
  He effectively stopped deportations.
• 1:40:34
  Guess what happens? You get a lot of people.
• 1:40:36
  You get 10 million illegals in four years.
• 1:40:37
  That's insane. 10 million people in four years from Venezuela,
• 1:40:41
  from Haiti, from Africa, from we don't even know who they are.
• 1:40:43
  The people that are coming here, they don't buy health care.
• 1:40:46
  They don't have a high school education.
• 1:40:47
  They have no resources. They're a massive drain on the
• 1:40:49
  economy. When they need health care, they
• 1:40:50
  go to the emergency room. They say it just goes.
• 1:40:53
  Bro. You need to be bone smashing,
• 1:40:54
  not reacting to three-year old Nick videos.
• 1:40:57
  That's dude I already. Mock I already mog.
• 1:41:00
  I'm good. Someone goes.
• 1:41:03
  Dean should just become a woman already.
• 1:41:05
  Yeah, I mean, Dean is just a gay little bitch.
• 1:41:08
  Their kids to public schools. It's a huge drain and many
• 1:41:10
  states are eligible for SNAP, they're eligible for other
• 1:41:11
  benefits and they work low wages because they're not educated.
• 1:41:14
  They work low skill, low paying jobs.
• 1:41:15
  They will never in a million years, maybe in a million, but
• 1:41:17
  they won't pay off in taxes what they receive in services.
• 1:41:19
  It's a big fiscal impact. They're in many cases, they're
• 1:41:21
  criminals. They don't, they're low IQ and
• 1:41:24
  we cannot. I mean, it's just obvious that
• 1:41:25
  the this border bill thing was an ass saving move.
• 1:41:27
  They poisoned build it with a bunch of nonsense so that they
• 1:41:28
  could blame it on Trump. But we all know the reality and
• 1:41:30
  it's wreaking our country. OK, thank.
• 1:41:32
  You those five topics, I think this is a good fear to debate.
• 1:41:33
  Overall, I appreciate both of your time.
• 1:41:34
  Aiden, do you have any thoughts? You guys were I?
• 1:41:36
  Well, I would. Say about 90% of you guys
• 1:41:38
  respected, you know each other's time speaking and stuff and it
• 1:41:41
  was awesome it was great great conversations great great
• 1:41:43
  defence great offenses first of all, we've done with these and
• 1:41:45
  it felt really cool definitely do more of.
• 1:41:46
  This how do you guys feel we'll. Start with you, Dean.
• 1:41:48
  Like how did you feel overall about?
• 1:41:49
  This debate, yeah, I, I. Mean like.
• 1:41:52
  Oh, sorry, go ahead. No, dude, you're all good.
• 1:41:53
  I mean, I think overall, I'll first just kind of give my
• 1:41:55
  thoughts about, you know, just having the debate on your
• 1:41:57
  platform. I do.
• 1:41:58
  I think that was like really, really, really cool.
• 1:41:59
  I like the idea of exposing more people to what I believe in and
• 1:42:02
  why I ultimately think if everyone thought like me, the
• 1:42:03
  world would be better off. And you kind of gave me more of
• 1:42:06
  an opportunity to achieve that, all things considered.
• 1:42:07
  You know, it's good to have, you know, like a conversation about
• 1:42:09
  why people disagree. These conversations need to be
• 1:42:10
  held more. I'd say that you're overall
• 1:42:12
  doing a good thing here. I think that I did pretty well
• 1:42:14
  as well, Nick, specifically to you.
• 1:42:15
  I think for a lot of it, you know, you're pretty disingenuous
• 1:42:18
  debater, but I'll keep my personal qualms to myself.
• 1:42:20
  I appreciate you for the conversation over the course of
• 1:42:22
  the last hour and a half. And then Aiden, maybe you're at
• 1:42:25
  the end. I wanted to throw my socials out
• 1:42:26
  there for all the people in chat that may want them after
• 1:42:28
  watching the debate, but I'll leave it off until later.
• 1:42:30
  Cool. Thank you so much, bro.
• 1:42:30
  I appreciate that, Dean. All right.
• 1:42:31
  And what about you, Nick? What would you like to say to
• 1:42:33
  the the people and last words to Dean?
• 1:42:35
  Go ahead. Thanks for having me on.
• 1:42:37
  I thought it was a lot of fun. It's very informative.
• 1:42:39
  People get to learn about the topics.
• 1:42:41
  You learn about an issue. You have to hear both sides.
• 1:42:43
  That wasn't nice. I don't think I was
• 1:42:44
  disingenuous. I'm funny, okay, and I'm a
• 1:42:46
  little sarcastic sometimes, but I think it's pretty clear to
• 1:42:48
  differentiate. I think he's a young guy,
• 1:42:51
  fundamentally. I think a lot of the partisan
• 1:42:52
  debates are kind of, they're too shallow.
• 1:42:54
  I think that we all kind of go through a phase when we're young
• 1:42:56
  and not not to like sun you, I'm unk status now, but like we all
• 1:42:59
  go through a phase when we're teenagers.
• 1:43:00
  We are precocious, have a political disposition and you
• 1:43:03
  know, we kind of rush for like, I'm a Republican, I'm a
• 1:43:04
  Democrat. The Republicans are good, the
• 1:43:06
  Democrats are bad. The reality of politics is the
• 1:43:07
  Democrats and Republicans are really on the same side and
• 1:43:10
  Republicans are one wing and they're meant to create the
• 1:43:12
  illusion of opposition or dynamite.
• 1:43:14
  This guy goes. I'm not kidding.
• 1:43:15
  You need to actually do something.
• 1:43:17
  We're all just watching a three-year old clip right now.
• 1:43:19
  Whoops. Max Jacks or Max do something.
• 1:43:21
  Who are you? Well, I do a show every day.
• 1:43:23
  It's just there's no fucking today.
• 1:43:25
  I don't. I don't know what you want me to
• 1:43:26
  do. I can do more tricks than you.
• 1:43:29
  Fucking watch this here. I'll do something for you is.
• 1:43:37
  This good enough? For you?
• 1:43:38
  Is this good enough for you? What do you fucking want from
• 1:43:40
  me? Like what do you want?
• 1:43:42
  What do you want? I'm going to do a.
• 1:43:43
  Fucking Rubik's Cube for you. Blow me like.
• 1:43:48
  What am IA? Fucking like, who am I?
• 1:43:50
  Who am I? Am I just your maid?
• 1:43:52
  Am I your bitch? Do I just do whatever you
• 1:43:54
  fucking want? Am I your monkey?
• 1:43:55
  No, this is a fucking show. It's just no news today.
• 1:43:59
  Literally nothing to fucking talk about.
• 1:44:01
  So it's like, OK, let's just do a reaction show.
• 1:44:03
  Literally nothing happened today.
• 1:44:05
  We're getting into the comments soon though.
• 1:44:08
  We only got like 5 minutes left in this well there.
• 1:44:11
  Really isn't any. And the personnel and the
• 1:44:13
  policies turn over from one administration to the next.
• 1:44:14
  There's very little difference. And I think that's even largely
• 1:44:16
  true in this election. And people get caught up in
• 1:44:18
  rhetoric and these appeals to emotion slogans.
• 1:44:19
  People have to really follow the money.
• 1:44:20
  They need to look at things like imports and exports.
• 1:44:22
  They need to look at energy. They need to look at
• 1:44:24
  institutional capture. That's where you really discern
• 1:44:25
  the truth. So these kinds of intramural
• 1:44:26
  debates are fun. We go back and forth, but it's
• 1:44:28
  so much deeper. It's such a complex subject, but
• 1:44:30
  it's good that people are interested in it.
• 1:44:31
  And I appreciate Dean for coming on.
• 1:44:32
  I hope that he keeps reading, keep reading, keep learning.
• 1:44:34
  You know, in 10 years, I guarantee you have a totally
• 1:44:36
  different viewpoint. Maybe you're still left wing,
• 1:44:37
  but you'll have a different viewpoint for sure.
• 1:44:39
  I heard that when I was young. I didn't believe it and then it
• 1:44:41
  was true. True.
• 1:44:42
  I only became more right wing like.
• 1:44:43
  You have to have that curiosity I.
• 1:44:44
  Was I'm sure you will supporter when I was 16.
• 1:44:46
  I'm sure you will, right? So I thought it was great.
• 1:44:48
  Wait, sorry, did you call up? You said you were.
• 1:44:50
  Trump supporter when you were 16?
• 1:44:51
  No, dude. I.
• 1:44:52
  Used to be a vehement Trump supporter like Aiden.
• 1:44:54
  I was like, I was like, I was like big Trump fan, like like
• 1:44:57
  Andrew Tate guy. I was like all of that shit.
• 1:44:59
  And you know, we could dial delve into the reasons why not
• 1:45:01
  super necessary for the live. But I guess like the point is,
• 1:45:03
  the only reason I brought that up is because seemingly I've had
• 1:45:04
  a more progressive trend the more that I've matured.
• 1:45:06
  I got you. OK, Well, you're going.
• 1:45:08
  To ask him about a previous debate then they had on Twitch.
• 1:45:10
  Nick did. You, I'm going to ask you too,
• 1:45:11
  You know, about something as well.
• 1:45:12
  Nick, did you previously debate Hassan ABI on Twitch?
• 1:45:15
  I did, yes. And someone told me that.
• 1:45:17
  You that resulted in you getting banned on Twitch, yeah.
• 1:45:19
  That was the reason for my ban, that.
• 1:45:21
  Was the reason he was on the. Debate as well.
• 1:45:22
  You're going to mix it up who won the debate and you're.
• 1:45:24
  In the people's eyes. Me.
• 1:45:25
  Well, it was me. And Sargon of Akkad, remember
• 1:45:27
  him. It was me and him.
• 1:45:28
  We won. How did I do compare?
• 1:45:29
  To Destiny. Not as well, but Destiny is
• 1:45:33
  probably your top guy, I think. Well, let me go.
• 1:45:35
  To Nick, Nick Dean, I'll be you're 1920 like you're probably
• 1:45:38
  like the best. Well.
• 1:45:39
  Spoken 1920 year old debater I've ever heard and I look and I
• 1:45:42
  fucking no. Seriously.
• 1:45:43
  And look and look, it doesn't matter, but still means people
• 1:45:46
  are sitting here mute and watching.
• 1:45:47
  You have a lot of great points. You have a lot of good
• 1:45:48
  discussions. You know, a lot of good
• 1:45:50
  counters. But I mean, but go ahead.
• 1:45:51
  What do you what do you think about him overall as a debater?
• 1:45:54
  You know, I think. It's I think on a technical
• 1:45:56
  level, the, the rhetoric is effective at debating.
• 1:45:58
  I hate rhetoric. It there was too much like
• 1:46:00
  sloganeering in there and kind of like cheap turns of phrase
• 1:46:02
  that like, oh, you think that doesn't pass a smell test?
• 1:46:04
  This doesn't pass those like cheap turns of phrase.
• 1:46:06
  I, I think that's what they are. I think they're cheap.
• 1:46:08
  Some of the sloganeering like when you're Trump is going to
• 1:46:10
  make you pay more at the grocery store.
• 1:46:11
  This is just like political electioneering rhetoric.
• 1:46:13
  I like debates that are just very frank and brutal and
• 1:46:15
  straightforward and about the facts.
• 1:46:16
  And I like humor in there. So it's a different style.
• 1:46:18
  I think. I think Dems lean a little more
• 1:46:19
  on rhetoric and sophistry and syllogisms and hypotheticals.
• 1:46:22
  I think right wing people are a little bit more plain talking
• 1:46:24
  and maybe light hearted and fun. That's my view of it.
• 1:46:27
  Yeah, I'd. Hold the exact opposite, but I
• 1:46:29
  mean, I'm guessing you'd be able to guess that I'd say that.
• 1:46:31
  Well, yeah, you're. You and I me so exactly great.
• 1:46:34
  Well, let me ask you both A. Question, Dean, if you would
• 1:46:36
  like to call somebody out, I would love to have you on again.
• 1:46:38
  Dean, I'd love you to call somebody.
• 1:46:38
  I'll try to pull some who are like maybe two or three people,
• 1:46:40
  Dean, that you'd like to debate on my stream next.
• 1:46:42
  Oh man, Nico. What topics?
• 1:46:49
  Well, I have to talk. About it, man.
• 1:46:51
  Sure, I would love. To debate you.
• 1:46:52
  I would love to debate you Sneako, and that's what I'd like
• 1:46:54
  to do. I I'd also right you said like a
• 1:46:57
  couple people. I mean, there's there's there's
• 1:46:59
  elections here, you know, Andrew Tate, OK, this guy, he fucking
• 1:47:02
  tweeted at me on Twitter and he said I was the reason why like
• 1:47:05
  white people are being replaced or some like crazy.
• 1:47:07
  Nick went to shit like that. And then I like I quote, I
• 1:47:10
  retweeted it and called him out. It went crazy, but he's he's
• 1:47:12
  pivoting, he's dodging. I wanted to debate, that's your
• 1:47:14
  day. And then something else.
• 1:47:16
  I got a buddy, his name is Parker.
• 1:47:17
  If you'll ever have anything 2V2 going on, he would love to hop
• 1:47:19
  on one of these and it'd be great for the content.
• 1:47:21
  Real smart guy for sure. Real quick, do you know who
• 1:47:22
  Harry is, by the way? Yes.
• 1:47:25
  Are you also Harry's friend? Yeah, I'm friends with Harry.
• 1:47:28
  OK. And then Nick.
• 1:47:29
  Who? Would you like to debate?
• 1:47:30
  Next I'll see what I'll work some.
• 1:47:32
  Call Charlie. Kirk, I'm calling out Candace
• 1:47:34
  Owens, I debate her. I debate.
• 1:47:36
  Shapiro, I debate, I debate any of the above or any of the
• 1:47:39
  Democrats, you know, Harry Sisson or whoever.
• 1:47:40
  But I usually debate conservatives actually.
• 1:47:42
  So gotcha real quick. Really quick here.
• 1:47:44
  I do want to say, you know, again, Dean, we've been trying
• 1:47:47
  to find, I've been trying to find you a matchup for a while.
• 1:47:49
  I only know everyone was basically like, I'm busy.
• 1:47:50
  I can't do it. Nick finds out two minutes
• 1:47:52
  later, he doesn't even know who you are.
• 1:47:53
  I'm down. Let's do it for sure.
• 1:47:53
  I just want to let you know, you know, Nick, you know, I do
• 1:47:56
  appreciate the last minute. I was we were, we've been trying
• 1:47:58
  to go out this thing for some time now.
• 1:47:59
  So last minute Nick was like, yeah, sure, I'll do it.
• 1:48:01
  You didn't even know he was no expectation.
• 1:48:02
  You just, you just said screw it.
• 1:48:03
  Yeah, Because I will say I'm like to say names, but a lot of
• 1:48:05
  people didn't want to debate Dean.
• 1:48:06
  I'll say that. Are you not?
• 1:48:06
  Entertained, so let. Me be.
• 1:48:08
  Nick has been trying to debate Ben Shapiro for about 7-8 years
• 1:48:10
  and maybe you could use the Jewish connections and that'd be
• 1:48:13
  a great one. Well, it's not a Jewish
• 1:48:14
  connection to me. I'll reach out to Shapiro.
• 1:48:17
  And I'll see if he would. Like to debate?
• 1:48:18
  Yeah, I'll do it. Yeah.
• 1:48:21
  OK. Well, you guys were fucking
• 1:48:22
  awesome. I appreciate.
• 1:48:23
  Both of you. Again guys, any last?
• 1:48:25
  Words you'd like to say before we head on out.
• 1:48:27
  Yeah, do you? Mind if I plug myself?
• 1:48:29
  Go ahead. If you're.
• 1:48:30
  Watching the day, I'm sure that it's a heavily right leaning
• 1:48:32
  chat. I mean this guy Donald Trump on
• 1:48:33
  a couple months back. So I doubt I'll get that much
• 1:48:34
  love. But if you like what you saw and
• 1:48:36
  you enjoyed, you know my debating style.
• 1:48:37
  I'm on Instagram at Dean Withers, DEA and WITHRS.
• 1:48:40
  I'm at I'm on on Twitter, Dean Withers.
• 1:48:42
  EAA. And and it's Dean with two ways
• 1:48:44
  to wins. TikTok is the same thing as a
• 1:48:45
  Twitter. But yeah, I appreciate everyone
• 1:48:47
  for showing up and showing out. It was a funnel debate tonight.
• 1:48:49
  OK. And then?
• 1:48:50
  Nick, anything you'd like to say?
• 1:48:52
  Yeah, well, just. Thanks again, Aiden.
• 1:48:54
  Good to talk to you again, Sneco.
• 1:48:55
  Dean, thanks for coming on. Fun debate.
• 1:48:57
  Appreciate everybody watching. Don't.
• 1:48:59
  Hey, I've defended Trump, but I'm telling people don't vote
• 1:49:01
  for Trump. He's not far right enough.
• 1:49:02
  That's my new He's bringing us more with Iran.
• 1:49:04
  He's not gonna deport all the illegals.
• 1:49:05
  I'm telling we got the Jill Stein.
• 1:49:06
  Of the right over here we got the Jill Stein.
• 1:49:08
  Principal. Principal, I'm not.
• 1:49:10
  Gonna plug myself. Cuz that's just like, you know,
• 1:49:12
  follow me in real, I'm Nick Fuentes.
• 1:49:14
  Follow me, I'm Nick Fuentes. I'm in real life.
• 1:49:16
  Yeah, I know. It's fine.
• 1:49:17
  It's fine. It's fine when you're young,
• 1:49:18
  when? You're look, when you're on
• 1:49:19
  status like me, it's like, hey, follow me in the astral plane,
• 1:49:21
  OK, follow me in the ether. I am on rumble belt.
• 1:49:24
  But but yeah, so it's a fun debate.
• 1:49:25
  Good, good meeting you and good seeing you guys ain't in the
• 1:49:27
  sneaker. Good debate.
• 1:49:28
  That was fun watching that. There's nothing else to do on a
• 1:49:32
  slow Newsday like today. You know, I could sit here, I
• 1:49:36
  could bullshit for an hour about why.
• 1:49:38
  Like blacks and women and a lot of the Jews are the problem.
• 1:49:42
  But it's like we do that every other night.
• 1:49:44
  Like, that's what we talk about all the time.
• 1:49:46
  You know, let's let's just have a fun night every here and
• 1:49:49
  there. We had a little casual Thursday
• 1:49:51
  show. We're going to get to our
• 1:49:52
  comments section. I'm excited.
• 1:49:54
  We got a good amount of comments on the last episode.
• 1:49:57
  Someone goes Dean. Zero aura.
• 1:49:59
  Yeah. Dean's a gay little bitch.
• 1:50:02
  Dean's a little pussy. If I was Dean.
• 1:50:05
  'S dad I would have beat the shit out of it like I'd be so
• 1:50:07
  disappointed imagine that's your kid like that's just that's sad
• 1:50:13
  sad that's a sad reality. Let me get the comments pulled
• 1:50:16
  up we're going to do our comments section hope you guys
• 1:50:22
  are having a great day though so far hope you guys enjoyed the
• 1:50:24
  little reaction show. I thought it was a little fun,
• 1:50:28
  but here let's let's start with the comments.
• 1:50:33
  And before we do, remember to like smash the follow button,
• 1:50:35
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• 1:50:36
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• 1:50:38
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• 1:50:40
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• 1:50:43
  I mean you're making great points, but why be blatantly
• 1:50:47
  misogynistic? You'd have a bigger audience if
• 1:50:49
  you stopped that shit. I don't even think you believe
• 1:50:52
  it. It's just for show, isn't it?
• 1:50:56
  What did I say? Those blatantly misogynist that
• 1:50:58
  women shouldn't vote and shouldn't be in politics?
• 1:51:00
  No, I believe that. I don't even think that.
• 1:51:04
  I just think we have roles as men and women and I don't think
• 1:51:07
  women's roles are in government. I think that's just common
• 1:51:11
  sense. At a point someone goes the
• 1:51:13
  jealousy in his eyes so clear. Wishes he had so like my face
• 1:51:18
  pick. Love the show man, hopefully
• 1:51:23
  this comment helps with the algorithm.
• 1:51:26
  Yeah, we got shadow banned on two straight episodes, but we're
• 1:51:29
  fucking back, baby, I get. That I'm a cradle Catholic too,
• 1:51:34
  but if we can put religion aside for just a second, the retards
• 1:51:37
  are out breeding US. One in four infants in America
• 1:51:40
  live in poverty and that's because welfare horse have 5
• 1:51:43
  plus kids to suck the taxpayer today.
• 1:51:45
  I get that eugenics are morally questionable, but if a family
• 1:51:49
  has been on welfare or in and out of jail for three plus
• 1:51:52
  generations, they really don't need to keep breeding.
• 1:51:54
  Sterilization of the retards is the the only way to save the
• 1:51:57
  human race, ha. Ha.
• 1:52:01
  Paralyzation of the retards is the only way to save the That
• 1:52:05
  part got me. That part got me.
• 1:52:11
  Maybe, maybe we. Take all the retards.
• 1:52:15
  Put them in one put. Remember I pitched the idea.
• 1:52:19
  What was it last Friday? I think on the Women are the
• 1:52:22
  Problem episode. I pitched the idea that we take
• 1:52:23
  the fatties and the mentally insane people.
• 1:52:26
  Put them in one camp to save the taxpayer money instead of having
• 1:52:30
  all the mental institutions with just them alone.
• 1:52:32
  Put the crazies there. What if we get another one for
• 1:52:34
  the retards? Get another one for the retards.
• 1:52:39
  Just work camps that would be see I I I think that could be a
• 1:52:43
  good good idea. Someone goes W take now I'm
• 1:52:46
  subbed. Appreciate it.
• 1:52:47
  Thank you. Oh, here.
• 1:52:50
  We go Idiocracy. Was a documentary, a lot of
• 1:52:53
  people. Are retarded, you are right.
• 1:52:55
  I recommend. Using the N word more often.
• 1:52:59
  Here's the. Problem like I have no problem
• 1:53:01
  saying it. I think we all grew up in the
• 1:53:03
  COD lobby. But the problem is I have a
• 1:53:05
  family who would get mad at me. That's the problem.
• 1:53:09
  I have a family who would just like I would say it and then I'd
• 1:53:12
  get a call. My phone would start ringing 30
• 1:53:13
  seconds later. Like, are you fucking kidding?
• 1:53:15
  Me. What are you doing?
• 1:53:18
  So that's the problem there over everything.
• 1:53:20
  I don't know. I think I'm, I don't know.
• 1:53:23
  I'm pretty sure I've said it a couple times on the show.
• 1:53:26
  I try to avoid it though, just for that reason.
• 1:53:29
  But I think when me and when me and Rogue talk about the book of
• 1:53:33
  Nickelodeon, I don't know if that counts.
• 1:53:34
  But like, I don't know, we've gone down for.
• 1:53:39
  I'm confused, are Republicans for pedophilia now?
• 1:53:45
  Some of them, yeah, for sure. So are some Democrats.
• 1:53:48
  Like, what are you confused about?
• 1:53:50
  I can't. Find anything online about
• 1:53:52
  Pelosi's dad being a made man, much less being tied to the
• 1:53:55
  mafia? Where have you heard this?
• 1:53:58
  I think I misspoke yesterday. Yesterday I said he was a made
• 1:54:01
  man in the Colombo family. That's not true.
• 1:54:04
  He was very connected up in the Boston mafia.
• 1:54:07
  If I'm correct, the Boston mafia families very connected there.
• 1:54:12
  That's how he got his political power.
• 1:54:15
  Who does it? Fran is a friend Francasi.
• 1:54:22
  Who does her French? What's this fucking Michael
• 1:54:25
  Francasi? What's his name?
• 1:54:27
  The podcast guy? He's the ex mob guy.
• 1:54:29
  He does a pretty good take on it.
• 1:54:32
  There's a book about it too. I can't remember the book off
• 1:54:35
  top of my head. I think I have it somewhere
• 1:54:37
  though, so maybe I'll if I remember I'll I'll comment the
• 1:54:40
  book later. I'm not sure, but yeah, Pelosi's
• 1:54:43
  dad was a very, very mobbed up. They betrayed us.
• 1:54:50
  No Epstein arrests, no mass deportations.
• 1:54:53
  Israel is still in charge. Yeah, 100%.
• 1:54:56
  We've got absolutely cocked by Trump.
• 1:55:00
  They literally just pulled out. Like I was going to talk about
• 1:55:02
  this today, but it's like I couldn't really fill a show with
• 1:55:04
  it. They pulled out the ICE agents
• 1:55:07
  from Minnesota. They just announced that and
• 1:55:10
  like I predicted that was going to happen.
• 1:55:11
  And we have the debate on immigration as well tomorrow too
• 1:55:14
  with Sassy from she was also on Jubilee, different episode than
• 1:55:18
  me. So we'll talk about that
• 1:55:21
  tomorrow during the debate. I'm excited for the debate
• 1:55:23
  tomorrow with that dumb bitch Sassy.
• 1:55:25
  Maybe we do. Maybe we do a little.
• 1:55:29
  Should we do? Yeah, why not?
• 1:55:31
  We'll do our scouting report after we do our comments.
• 1:55:35
  We'll watch some clips of this stupid bitch.
• 1:55:37
  Do you know what Azoog's Wang is?
• 1:55:40
  Pretty sure it's a chess thing, but I could be wrong.
• 1:55:46
  Daewoo and Pam Bondi beat him. Leave him dry.
• 1:55:49
  Give him a house. Lemayo fuck are you?
• 1:55:52
  Talking about. I was not joking.
• 1:55:57
  I've never been with a woman in any way prior to this.
• 1:55:59
  The closest thing I've had to that is my doctor checking my
• 1:56:02
  nuts. I haven't asked her if she knows
• 1:56:05
  who the father is to any of the kids 'cause it's not my problem
• 1:56:08
  TBH. But I seriously think getting a
• 1:56:10
  couple pictures with her after I crack would help me if I wanted
• 1:56:14
  to get elected as a Democrat. This is the guy.
• 1:56:16
  Who said should I crack a black chick?
• 1:56:19
  You see, it's not worth the aids.
• 1:56:21
  That's the thing. It's not worth the AIDS and it's
• 1:56:23
  not worth having to get your ass beat by her eyes.
• 1:56:26
  Her super predator ex-boyfriend when he gets released from
• 1:56:29
  prison, I'm telling. My kids to stay away from women.
• 1:56:32
  My first cousin got sent off for a 10 year bid in state prison.
• 1:56:36
  Today he took a plea deal because he didn't want to go to
• 1:56:39
  court in Fulton County. God is a country white boy.
• 1:56:42
  He slept with a 16 year old girl he met on Snapchat.
• 1:56:46
  He was 24. They got him for sex trafficking
• 1:56:49
  because he picked her up and drove to Atlanta to stay in a
• 1:56:51
  hotel and they filmed it. Her foster parents saw the
• 1:56:54
  dollar sign he was sending her Venmo to buy things and they
• 1:56:57
  caught up with him. Oh Lord that's fucked up.
• 1:57:01
  What the fuck that's crazy. You want to see what Fulton
• 1:57:05
  County Georgia jail looks like from the inside?
• 1:57:08
  Look up 60 days in Fulton County and they sent a guy in there for
• 1:57:13
  60 days to see what it was like. Fucking insane in Fulton County
• 1:57:16
  for sure. It's all gang retards.
• 1:57:19
  I don't. Think what he did was write BC
• 1:57:21
  of her age but she consented and the age of consent is 16 in
• 1:57:24
  Georgia. Be careful out there and be
• 1:57:26
  smart men that girl. Was 16 and 23 months.
• 1:57:29
  You disgusting fuck. How could you ever be OK with
• 1:57:32
  that? How could you ever let that go?
• 1:57:34
  She was 16 and 23 months. That's a child.
• 1:57:43
  Support that American athlete. I could protest her and give me
• 1:57:46
  his passport. Face rolling on the floor,
• 1:57:47
  laughing. Yeah, I mean to be.
• 1:57:49
  Honest, the Olympic athletes were getting up there and
• 1:57:51
  they're like fuck America or any it's like literally kill
• 1:57:54
  yourself you should be deported like her or.
• 1:57:56
  Not Massey, looks like an idiot and Pam had a good point.
• 1:57:59
  Why the hell didn't he want to ban AI porn?
• 1:58:01
  Messy contradiction in his own belief system, I guess.
• 1:58:07
  I and it's not really a good point.
• 1:58:10
  I mean I did a whole deep dive on why I was pissed with Massey
• 1:58:13
  about the deep fake AI porn thing we did that episode.
• 1:58:17
  I don't know a while ago, but. For Pam.
• 1:58:21
  Bondi to just bring that up at the end of that one doesn't
• 1:58:25
  really have to do with the other and one is the real depiction.
• 1:58:29
  Of rape and. Trafficking while the other is
• 1:58:32
  like an EI or AI deep fake of just what would be consenting
• 1:58:37
  pornography, which I still don't agree with.
• 1:58:39
  I'm against all pornography but very different things.
• 1:58:42
  So that's a stupid fucking argument Fidel.
• 1:58:45
  You could do better. Fidel you usually, you're
• 1:58:47
  usually a little smarter than that.
• 1:58:49
  Jesus Christ, whose kid is this? We're all.
• 1:58:53
  Kids of Jesus Christ, you kind of answered it there in your own
• 1:58:56
  fucking thing, you retard. Who do?
• 1:58:58
  You guys think would win in a fight if they were real flash or
• 1:59:01
  Superman? Never really been into both of
• 1:59:04
  them but I don't know. Fucking spider man dude.
• 1:59:08
  I don't know. Obviously Superman.
• 1:59:13
  Hell Nah, Flash can vibrate through objects he would
• 1:59:17
  destroy. And what's your top two TV
• 1:59:18
  shows? For me at one Flash and at 2 the
• 1:59:21
  Green Arrow, my top. Two TV shows.
• 1:59:26
  Sopranos has to be one of them and then it's really hard
• 1:59:30
  because there's like 3 more that I would really be in between on.
• 1:59:37
  There's Dexter, Better Call Saul, and Breaking Bad.
• 1:59:49
  Sopranos. Has to be one of them for sure.
• 1:59:52
  Yeah. I don't know.
• 1:59:53
  I mean, Dexter, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul or all right
• 1:59:58
  there. I mean, I would have to say,
• 2:00:04
  damn, this is hard. Breaking.
• 2:00:17
  OK, Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Dexter, Better Call Saul.
• 2:00:21
  That's how I'll do it. But like, I think that's not
• 2:00:23
  even fair to Dexter and Better Call Saul.
• 2:00:25
  It's hard. That's a hard one.
• 2:00:27
  I used. To watch Arrow.
• 2:00:29
  OK, I like it. Great.
• 2:00:32
  My favorite TV show of all time, Star Wars, the clone Wars, but I
• 2:00:35
  also like band of brothers. I also used to watch Flash 2 but
• 2:00:39
  was never in my top five fate. I don't watch fantasy tales
• 2:00:42
  dude. I'm into shit that happens in
• 2:00:44
  the real world. I was just asking a question for
• 2:00:48
  fun, no need to get mad. Where are the thousands of
• 2:00:57
  missing little girls from Israel Island called Epstein?
• 2:01:00
  Keep asking JP. I doubt we'll find him, but I'll
• 2:01:04
  keep asking for sure. Agreed.
• 2:01:06
  She should resign. Yeah, all.
• 2:01:08
  Women in politics should resign and go home.
• 2:01:12
  This. Administration has been a big
• 2:01:13
  disappointment for me, for everybody.
• 2:01:15
  For America, I used to. Be big shield for Trump now I
• 2:01:18
  only praise him when O think he is right.
• 2:01:22
  It's rarely nowadays, of course. She's bad at her job.
• 2:01:25
  She's a woman. Another reason why women should
• 2:01:27
  stay in the house. Reason. 1,000,000.
• 2:01:31
  Well, what about Georgia Maloney?
• 2:01:33
  She is pretty cool. All women.
• 2:01:35
  Should not be in politics. Trump's bad.
• 2:01:37
  At his job. What's the reason for that?
• 2:01:39
  You guys are saying that men are good at jobs and women are bad
• 2:01:42
  at their jobs when it's not based on your gender, it's based
• 2:01:45
  on your work ethic and values. I'm not saying that all men are
• 2:01:50
  going to be good, but here again, Jamie, I would rather
• 2:01:52
  watch a man burn this fucking country to the ground than ever
• 2:01:54
  watch a woman try and run this country Shut the.
• 2:01:58
  Fuck up. Jaemon's always white knighting
• 2:02:01
  for women. Georgia has the biggest balls in
• 2:02:04
  all of Europe. She is based as hell.
• 2:02:07
  Rare exception I still. Think we should have men in
• 2:02:10
  charge? STG all women politicians are
• 2:02:16
  just wine moms looking for arguments.
• 2:02:18
  Shit's embarrassing. I feel like if there were only
• 2:02:20
  men in politics, all the BS arguments and claims from left
• 2:02:23
  field would be gone. Yeah, again, just get them back
• 2:02:28
  in the kitchen. Also bro, why do you think soft
• 2:02:35
  people I know tell me I'm too extreme?
• 2:02:39
  No, you're actually too liberal. I get.
• 2:02:43
  You're too extreme. No, you're not.
• 2:02:45
  You're you're closer to a liberal than you are to like me.
• 2:02:52
  That's. Retarded, that's just for I
• 2:02:53
  don't even know what to say. Like that's retarded.
• 2:02:55
  You're like one of the I was going to call you, you're one of
• 2:02:58
  the gayest people, but that's me and you're not gay.
• 2:03:00
  You're just kind of a pussy about that.
• 2:03:03
  Like for lack of better terms, I'm not saying you're a pussy as
• 2:03:07
  a man, I'm just saying you're a you're a pussy about a lot of
• 2:03:09
  your beliefs, to put it that way.
• 2:03:11
  I guess that's. Why I lost that friend?
• 2:03:14
  Yeah, again, I'm not your therapist.
• 2:03:16
  You don't need to bitch to me that you lost a friend.
• 2:03:18
  Oh, also. Sorry for the laughing faces,
• 2:03:20
  it's a bad habit. I actually didn't.
• 2:03:22
  The computer would all of them out when I did the first time.
• 2:03:24
  But I'm not going to erase them and write all that again, OK?
• 2:03:28
  You. Don't have to over explain, I
• 2:03:30
  get it. Also thank.
• 2:03:31
  You for condemning eugenics. I just say, I just said as a
• 2:03:35
  Catholic, I don't think it's within the Catholic beliefs say
• 2:03:39
  my. Grandfather died in the
• 2:03:40
  Holocaust has nothing to do with the point that you made.
• 2:03:43
  If I say I want to kill every single Jew and my grandfather
• 2:03:46
  died in the Holocaust and I am a Jew, that still doesn't make it
• 2:03:49
  right. I'm not sure what she was
• 2:03:51
  saying, but Pam was just deflecting from the hard
• 2:03:53
  questions because straight up, I'm OK with not having answers.
• 2:03:57
  That's just how it's going to have to work.
• 2:03:59
  And until you guys realize that, you'll just go through this
• 2:04:01
  cycle, well, I know. That it's not going to be
• 2:04:04
  answers, but you like people like you are the problem.
• 2:04:07
  Saying I'm OK with not having answers like people like you are
• 2:04:10
  the problem. You don't want answers because
• 2:04:13
  you're scared where there's where those answers might lead.
• 2:04:16
  You don't want answers because you are a Jew like Fidel.
• 2:04:19
  You are literally an Orthodox Jew.
• 2:04:21
  You don't want answers because you think that it's all going to
• 2:04:25
  come back to Israel, it's all going to come back to Ahud
• 2:04:28
  Barack, it's all going to come back to the Israeli deep state.
• 2:04:33
  It's all going to show Mossad's dirty doings.
• 2:04:38
  Also, Thomas Massey has one of the biggest cases of TDs
• 2:04:42
  syndrome. I don't like everything Thomas
• 2:04:45
  Massey does, but I think he's pretty.
• 2:04:46
  America first. Let's see.
• 2:05:01
  Yeah, one more comment and then we'll do this little informal
• 2:05:06
  scouting report on this stupid bitch we're debating tomorrow.
• 2:05:09
  Dissing. Older Americans who don't follow
• 2:05:12
  drama and isn't a wise move. We know more than you think.
• 2:05:15
  Draining the swamp right in front of the world and most
• 2:05:17
  can't see it. Too bad they never learned how
• 2:05:19
  our government functions and how the Constitution governs those
• 2:05:22
  in power. Shut up, stupid.
• 2:05:24
  Bitch like again, most boomers and Gen.
• 2:05:26
  X are retarded. Oh we're draining the swamp
• 2:05:28
  right now. It's like, no, you're retarded.
• 2:05:31
  Trump became part of the swamp, you stupid bitch.
• 2:05:34
  I kind of forgot about the kick chat.
• 2:05:35
  I've been reading the other chats.
• 2:05:37
  I just looked back at the kick chat.
• 2:05:38
  We have some people who are in there.
• 2:05:39
  Oh shit, someone goes. Has Dean ever worked with others
• 2:05:42
  or LED? Shit?
• 2:05:43
  No one is following that guy. Looks like a girl.
• 2:05:45
  Does look like a girl. Someone else.
• 2:05:47
  Was that new debate? No, is not new.
• 2:05:49
  Someone says Dean tries to suck his Dick.
• 2:05:52
  Guarantee it. Yeah, I bet he probably tried.
• 2:05:54
  The sterilization comment isn't wrong.
• 2:05:59
  I hope you guys are. Doing well.
• 2:06:00
  OK, let's do a little informal scouting report on this stupid
• 2:06:03
  bitch that we're supposed to debate.
• 2:06:05
  Let me find a video of her. Let's see, let me get that
• 2:06:14
  pulled up really quickly. Let's see, trying to find where
• 2:06:40
  he. OK, here we go.
• 2:06:46
  Sorry I had to go. On my e-mail to to find it.
• 2:06:49
  All right, let's watch. Let's watch this bitch in this
• 2:06:54
  debate right here. She should be on Jubilee too,
• 2:06:59
  but I don't know where her Jubilee episode is.
• 2:07:01
  Let me get this put up on the screen.
• 2:07:03
  This is a stupid bitch that we're going to be debating.
• 2:07:06
  It's this. I'm going to put the volume on.
• 2:07:08
  Just one second here and just resize this
• 2:07:26
  all right here. We're just going to skip ahead
• 2:07:28
  in the debate. Here we go.
• 2:07:29
  Let's put get the volume on. Adoption.
• 2:07:33
  All those things are much better off when living under more
• 2:07:36
  Christian values than if not. So I guess my question would be
• 2:07:40
  so real quick. Background to anyone who doesn't
• 2:07:43
  know I was on Jubilee. This stupid bitch was on
• 2:07:45
  jubilee. This guy gets people who were on
• 2:07:47
  jubilee in the past, pits him in debates against each other.
• 2:07:50
  Me and her doing a long form debate tomorrow about ICE, about
• 2:07:54
  ICE enforcement, about the actual laws themselves, about I
• 2:08:00
  could actually give you guys the topics.
• 2:08:02
  Let me pull that up. There's actually, I don't know,
• 2:08:07
  it's somewhere I'd have to look for the e-mail.
• 2:08:09
  But it's is ICE moral? Is violence inevitable?
• 2:08:13
  It's things like that. But yeah, we're debating this
• 2:08:15
  stupid bitch on the right. Sessy.
• 2:08:17
  Her name's spelled CC, but she goes by Sessy.
• 2:08:20
  Just to kind of start would be like what what do you what is
• 2:08:23
  your position in terms of like why do you think religion should
• 2:08:26
  not influence law in our you have to that's too fast.
• 2:08:29
  Well. I was really trying to.
• 2:08:30
  Prepare for this debate because I as America I you can just nod
• 2:08:33
  your head yes to know this question you're an American you
• 2:08:35
  love America, right? OK, we both do, but The thing
• 2:08:37
  is, is when someone tells me that they feel America should be
• 2:08:39
  founded on any type of religious belief, I don't feel that you
• 2:08:41
  are an American because she's got the.
• 2:08:44
  Piercing here and a nose ring so we can already tell she's a
• 2:08:47
  retard from that. The ideal and.
• 2:08:49
  Pink hair. Pink hair is a huge giveaway she
• 2:08:51
  was founded on. You don't.
• 2:08:52
  Believe in the founding fathers when establishing the country
• 2:08:53
  could have put a faith in place, but they didn't.
• 2:08:55
  In fact, in the 1st Amendment of our Constitution, there's a
• 2:08:57
  separation of church and state because we were trying to break
• 2:08:58
  away from an autocracy, A theocracy, monarchy, whatever at
• 2:09:01
  the time. You win.
• 2:09:02
  And I feel like when you decide it's going to be Christianity,
• 2:09:04
  you're also putting that religion above all others in a
• 2:09:06
  country where we have decided we're going to establish
• 2:09:08
  democracy and freedom through choice.
• 2:09:09
  And that is the freedom to practice whichever religion you
• 2:09:11
  want, or lack thereof. You cannot really just legislate
• 2:09:14
  a religious belief because it's not something everyone
• 2:09:15
  subscribes to. Yeah, I knew you were gonna say
• 2:09:17
  this, which I was ready for. So when?
• 2:09:19
  I say that religion should influence law.
• 2:09:20
  I'm not saying that we should have like the church and the
• 2:09:22
  state be together. I'm not saying that we should
• 2:09:24
  have the church overlooking everybody or that we should get
• 2:09:26
  people to be Christians in terms of like by force or even by
• 2:09:28
  like, like, like forcing something upon someone else.
• 2:09:29
  What I am saying is influence itself.
• 2:09:31
  So even though there's a separation of certain states
• 2:09:32
  from the founding fathers, that doesn't mean that they can't be
• 2:09:34
  influenced by moral convictions themselves.
• 2:09:35
  So there is a separation there within itself.
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  Because once again, if like if you were like a doll and we had
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  to start you from, from like brand new, from scratch, from
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  nothing, you would still have to input beliefs, input certain
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  actions into that doll to know what it's going to come out on
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  the output and behave as. So that's the only position, I
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  think. I'm not saying like force or
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  that we even need to have a Christian nation.
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  I'm saying that from my view, the Christian Foundation would
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  serve as the best for the country itself.
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  OK, but this is should religion influence law?
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  And so we're talking about legislation and well, the
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  influence, like I get what you're saying, like, oh, the
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  church doesn't need to be the reign over the government, but
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  if it has that religious influence, it is.
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  And we've seen the influence. It took away Roe V Wade from a
• 2:10:08
  number of states. This woman's.
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  Retarded. I've seen all I need to see to
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  know that I'm going to beat the fuck out of her in this debate.
• 2:10:14
  I'm going to absolutely destroy this stupid bitch.
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  Oh, it's going. To be fun.
• 2:10:18
  I love debating women because I like breaking the spirit to
• 2:10:21
  women. When I debate women, I try and
• 2:10:23
  troll them because they're all retarded.
• 2:10:24
  I mean it's so easy. Like literally I'll be like up
• 2:10:27
  in a debate and I'll just start fucking like.
• 2:10:30
  While they're. Talking, you just start.
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  Fucking with them. Women are just retarded and we
• 2:10:34
  need to put them in their place sometimes.
• 2:10:36
  And that's what we're going to do tomorrow.
• 2:10:37
  It's going to be live on the show and then I'll upload it to
• 2:10:40
  Spotify and all other platforms later in the day.
• 2:10:42
  But we're debating Sassy CC, whatever this stupid bitch wants
• 2:10:46
  to go by. I think it's at noon or 1:00 PM.
• 2:10:50
  I'll have to double check, but I'm excited.
• 2:10:52
  Going to be a fun Friday show. So actually quick update because
• 2:10:57
  usually I'm let me think, Yeah. OK, so we're not going to do the
• 2:11:01
  comments tomorrow. All the comments from today's
• 2:11:03
  show and tomorrow's show will read at the end of Monday's
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  show. Because I'm probably not going
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  to do the comments at the end of the debate.
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  Maybe, maybe I do, but I doubt it.
• 2:11:13
  It's so early in the day that we would only get like a small
• 2:11:16
  portion of the comments compared to what we'd usually get.
• 2:11:18
  It just doesn't feel worth it. So OK, we'll most likely do the
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