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S4 E3 Bonus Episode - Angels of Death Part 1 · True Crime and Wine Time

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Hello everyone, and welcome to Brew Crime, the podcast where we drink bruise,
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talk crime, conspiracies, or whatever catches our attention. I'm JT and
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I'm here with my co host Bike. You sounds so excited, exactly,
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And this is gonna be a series of three episodes in collaboration with me Terry.
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It is Terry from True Crime and Wine Time. I decided to bring
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wine to the game. Guys. Yeah, no brew today, I've got
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both basically, we'll get that later. Yeah. Sure. But the theme
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is Angels of Death. I think we titled it. Yeah, so foreboding
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and yes, uh yeah, this is this is a difficult one. Uh,
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this this was a difficult subject really kind of the concept is frustrating to
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me beyond all belief. I think, yes, but you know, I
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found somebody and toughed it out for an hour ago. Are you setting time
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limits? Time limits already? You set an hour and a half. Yeah
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for my writing? Oh, if you're writing, okay, yeah, yeah,
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I'll give all my secrets away. Yeah. Sometimes JT runs out of
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time. You know. For the past couple of months, I've been early,
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and boy things have changed and hopefully they changed again. Yeah, it's
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fine. It's fine. It's a busy life. If I'm not busy,
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I feel bored. So yeah, how's everybody doing. I'm good. I
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mean it's been really hot for here. It was the highest today I saw
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it was thirty four celsius, which is some number in fahrenheit that doesn't make
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sense, like ninety three I think us Yeah, freedom units and uh yeah,
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And it's very hot for here at this time of year. That used
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to be hotter than it ever got here, like a decade ago. And
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it's only May. Yeah, and I work outside, oh a lot of
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times, like up high yes, yes, not today, but yes sometimes,
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and you're closer to the sun so uh sometimes Yeah, like today,
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there wasn't much of a breeze. But like if I'm up on the fifteenth
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story of a tower, then yeah, usually there's a bit of a breeze
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up there. I'm three stories in the ground. There's almost never a breeze.
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Yeah, probably if there is there's a problem there. I was looking
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today it was thirty one celsius here in Austin, Texas. Today currently it's
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twenty seven. Yeah. Like the weather station which is actually at Vancouver International
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Airport, which is right on sea level A lot lower was like twenty six.
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But actually where I am is in the early thirties. So yeah,
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it's I just want to say that when I when I think of you,
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like on top of a tower or a building, I just see you on
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the corner, just with your arms outstretched, with just the wind blowing both
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sides of your beard backwards. That's what I see, and it makes me
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very happy on the inside. Yeah, stand up there doing the whole Titanic
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thing. Yeah, you just gotta get a I almost said big burly man,
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but you are a big burly man. You'd have to get a bigger
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burlier man, and I don't think that exists. It does, actually,
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oh yeah, yeah, well yeah, So we're doing Angels of Death tonight
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and my case is about Nails. Believe it's Nils because it's Erman. Nils
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Hoogle is his name. Sometimes I feel like, yeah, he's he's an
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asshole. We'll find out just how big of one. Pretty ginormous. So
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I can think of a long list that's like numbered from types of crimes that
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I hate more than others. You know, I think we all have some
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rankings, right we like in prison, there are some people who rank way
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down low and up right. Crimes against children obviously pretty much at the top.
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There yea crime driven by hate or intolerance way up there too. One
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of the things that I think are the most tragic and horrendous cases are those
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in which people prayed on the trust that others had in them and the ones
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who we count on right, who we count on to take care of people,
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And those people not only commit heinous crimes, but they also destroyed trust
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not only in themselves but in an entire profession. And the question of what
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if always comes to mind after an event like the one we're about to talk
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about, whether we want to accept it or not. They just drive me.
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This drives me crazy. Were you all? Is that how you felt?
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Absolutely my case, I got so frustrated because there were clues, There
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was hints other staff members were talking, and the powers that be were like,
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oh no, no, no, no, would never It's okay,
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and let this person get away with its awful. And I think mine has
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some of those themes too, Terry, and I think we're all gonna be
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just frustrated after this. It's what ye coming. I'm right, we do,
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we do, and I don't have a beard tonight. I I have
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water, and I have wine and a big beard, and I'm white,
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so obviously I'm Jesus right how that works? It is Jesus real. Some
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people say, so does that. I can tell you he's not white,
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that's for sure, I promise you. The uh the illustrations in your state
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and mine are not mine too though, really my province, because yeah,
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well then white Jesus has gone international. Oh well, anyways, but yeah,
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I have wine and water, so I'm I'm blaspheming is what kind of
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wine? It's a sweet red and because it is a kind of bottom shelf
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Aldi brand, winking l it doesn't really mean that it tastes bottom shelf,
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but I think it carries a little more sweetness than I like. I kind
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of like a little more of a bitter sweet red, if that makes sense.
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Terry, Does that make sense? Absolutely? You want something more bold,
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something more tart on your tongue, Ryer, Maybe I know that much.
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Yeah, I man. The last series of streaming that I did at
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night, I drank a Chianti and I really liked the kyanti that I had,
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and boy that was also a cheap one from Aldi, but it knocked
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my socks off. It was so good. You know, just to tell
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you the tubut chuck from Trader Joe's. If you take their two buck chuck,
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read ariate it, open it, leave it open for about four or
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five hours. I've done wine tasting with people who know wines h They never
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guess it's a two buck chuck because you let it open, let it air
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out, get it stuff. It can rank up there with the more expensive
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ones. So it doesn't matter what it costs, it's about how you prepare
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it. Here's the difficulty with that, though. I mean my problem is
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once a bottle's open, I don't want to wait, I get it.
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You want gratification, yeah, instant gratification. Yeah. Anyways, so that's
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what our man when it comes to wine and alcohol. Yes, everything else,
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no, but yes, every but in terms of that probably so.
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Yeah. So I'm talking about Nils Hogel, the German serial killer, and
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uh he's a man that people say is the most polite killer ever. And
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it's a case in which, you know, the judge who presided over it
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said his killing spree was absolutely incomprehensible. So that being said, let's hop
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in right, that's do it. I'm not sure ready to let's go.
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Yeah, So there's not a ton about his early life. He was board
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December thirtieth, nineteen seventy six, and he was raised in Wilhelm's Haven,
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Lower Saxony. At that time it was West Germany and it's a coastal town.
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His grandmother and father worked his nurses, which kudos to his dad because
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even in the early eighties, my dad had a hard time as a male
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nurse. He still kind of does to a degree. Just that whole concert.
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He was like one of like three guys in the nursing school when he
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was there, and it was him, yeah, right, and so you
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know, he had good odds. He had good odds in nursing school.
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It was it was him a fellow who was gay and a not great looking
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fellow. And so but dad was say, I don't know. He ended
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up he was vice president to my mom's president. And therein lies the story
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and we have you yep. Anyways, so his grandfather and father worked his
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nurses, His mother was a paralegal, and he had an older sister,
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and he self reports that his upbringing was sheltered. He said that he was
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basically protected by his parents from everything, and he didn't really experience much violence.
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I don't know if that's true or not. I don't. You know,
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sometimes these guys like to still portray themselves in a light. You know,
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they might be insane in terms of what they're trying to do, but
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they still want that postive light. Yeah, you say he lived in Germany
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and he was protected from violence. Really, how did that work? Yeah,
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it's true. I mean it was the it was the late seventies,
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early eighties. I don't really know history in that part of Germany, but
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I know that obviously, if it was West Germany, there was a lot
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going on. Yeah, things were rough regardless, right did they censor TV
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and newspaper back then? So maybe he was because Flora holies. Can I
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tell you that just like exploded my brain? Because yes, it sure does.
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Yes, Sde small de Santis energy. You're welcome. He can't be
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mad, it's true. So he completed training as a nurse in nineteen ninety
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seven. His training in his first position was at sonked villehad Hospital. I
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only pronounced German words now. I don't know German anymore. Seven years and
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all I can do now is pronounce it two years later, he began working
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at Oldenburg Clinic, and it sounds more like in terms of the units and
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stuff. It sounds more like a hospital that they just call a clinic.
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But Hoogel was set up in their cardiac surgery intensive care units, so the
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CSIICU, and everything was going well, so Hogel thought, but there was
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one thing that staff were noticing. In August two thousand and one, he
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saw that there was a meeting of medical orderlies and he attended and while they
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were talking about in basically a crazy influx of resuscitations and deaths, it was
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revealed that fifty eight percent of those happened when Hogel was on duty. So
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Hogel was bothered by this. He thought he had been figured out, so
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he did what everyone else would do in this situation. He called out sick.
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Look, I'm just that coming in. I'm not coming in. I've
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got other things to do. My dog ate, my homework. So he
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called out sick. Not for a day or two, he called out for
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three weeks and doing right right, that's not alarming at all. I feel
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like he's that guy, though, who doesn't just call and say I'm going
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to be away for a few weeks. I feel like he calls every morning
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with a different excuse because he can't. He's not smart enough to put together
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the fact that he should just do a blank you know. Oh in my
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head, I'm just thinking of all the things he's saying. Too much.
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Broad first? Yeah, um, the broad first was off? It was
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off. It was American first. It must have been the curry. I
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don't know what accent that was. But here we are. Let's say,
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when I was at Germany last year, I don't think I heard that.
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When I was at the Miran plots, the Miran plots. Yeah, and
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I didn't even find any curry when I was there either. You gotta believe
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in yourself and look hard. Now, Still, what happened when Whool was
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out of the office. Well, if you're talking trends and death and the
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like, what happened? What do you think? Nobody died? Yeah,
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you're Relived's amazing, isn't that phenomenal? During the three weeks only two patients
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died? What so lesson call before you schedule surgery to make sure he's not
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working? Yeah? I agree, And you know they had this revelation,
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but what were they going to do? About it. Nothing. They didn't
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want to They didn't want to do much because well, that'd portrayed the hospital
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and a bad light, right, they don't want that bad press, don't
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want that bad press. Well, he was transferred by one of the head
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physicians to anesthesiology because of course, she's a great idea, that's a smashing
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idea. Yeah, let's send it to the place that puts people to sleep.
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Yep. And that was in two thousand and one. Because again,
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what do you do if you notice an increase in death and then a decrease
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due to one being out. You shuff them around like a dealer in laws
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Vegas or the pope. So the head of the department of anesthesiology got suspicious
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because when he was working, when he was present, there were emergency situations.
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So around a year later, maybe a little bit less, but a
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year later, he was confronted not because of his attendance at emergency situations.
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I mean, you know, he was a nurse, he was going to
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be there, but because multiple patients in his care ended up in life threatening
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conditions for no reason whatsoever at all. Yeah, and it happens, right,
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that's why you're in the hospital to die. Sure, I'm in the
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hospital live. I don't know about these guys. The doctor, my tonsils
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aren't good. Oh you're dead. Well you know you're on your way out,
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so let me help. Yeah. So they told him to resign and
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if he resigned, he'd get a full paycheck for three months or oh yeah,
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or he could move over to the logistics department where he could work on
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moving patients. And he said, forget it, I'm resigning. What is
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the politician right? Oh? Go get ready, because if this didn't fish
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you off, this is going to really piss you off. So also in
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the deal, I think, I think this is how this worked. A
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reference letter was included that they would write him one if he left. Okay,
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oh well, I gotta remember my day job's hr. They wanted to
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give this mother a reference letter after suspecting him of killing people. This mother
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trucker got a letter. Not only did he get a letter, but it
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was written by the director of nursing. Now here's the problem with this reference
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letter, especially considering in two units they witnessed the same stuff. They saw
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the coincidences, and usually the agreements are to protect their own skin. And
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I get that. I get that because then maybe the person won't talk,
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etc. But they decided that they were going to do it, and they
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didn't just give a decent review. They gave a glowing review. It's like
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they asked for like a five star review and then they copied and pasted from
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Google in the eighties. Nope, sorry, two thousand and one. So
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this is some of the stuff that they wrote. Circumspect diligent and autonomous work
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ethic, acting prudently and in an objectively correct manner in critical situations, devotedness
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and cooperative conduct, and had completed assigned tasks to the utmost satisfaction. It
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was the unassigned ones though, that he wasn't good at Jesus, that's nuts,
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that's awful. I don't have works. There literally are no words,
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no words. I consider a lot of this complicitness. Right, There's one
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thing to notice something and think you see something. And although I always say
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see something, say something, you might not say anything because of whatever your
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position is or it's just weird or is awkward. I get it, and
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you're not sure of yourself. But if you're in a leadership position and you
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know for a fact that these are the stats, Yeah, how do you
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do it? Oh god, I mean, so, if you're gonna write
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a letter, keep it very bland. Showed up to work on time,
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didn't call out sick from lunch break on time, had clean scrubs, Keep
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it very generic. Don't make it glowing, because then that's gonna entice others
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too. Oh my god, this guy's great. Let's hire him. Yeah,
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I don't know, because you know, this case, this case makes
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me feel like TLC was right where they don't want no scrubs and I don't
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want no scrubs. So that's where I'm at today. So in terms of
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his today, that's what he got in terms of that letter. Just a
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little later, on December two thousand and two, he moved to delman Horst
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Clinic because he had a glowing review. Now I got a raise too,
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right. Moving there, all of a sudden they started having more emergencies and
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fatalities and it was all, well, he was on duty, but you
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know, the first hospital didn't say anything to the second hospital all that,
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right, of course, Yeah, passed the buck, right. So these
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emergencies fatalities, they were in the form of arrhythmia or basically a really quick
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immediate decrease in blood pressure, and his coworkers actually began distancing themselves from him,
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like m smart and right and so initially coming into this clinic, they
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all thought very highly of him, and I'm thinking it's probably because of that
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lovely review that he probably submitted. But this fell when suspicions arose, and
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despite suspicions, no one acted on them. And even right even after four
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vials of medicine were found in his ward despite having never been ordered by the
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doctors, they didn't do anything. So in June June twenty second of two
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thousand and five, his co workers caught him changing a patient's syringe pump to
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administer the wrong dose I think it's called I think it's agmaline, and so
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well done, sir, and the clinic opened up an investigation. This is
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literally the only reason he was caught is because he was accidentally caught changing a
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patient's syringe pump to administer a dose of something else. Well, I'm glad
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he was caught. Oh me too. So as soon as the investigation happened,
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the co workers who had noticed things said, well, now it's a
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formal thing, I could probably say something. They came forward they said they
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were suspicious of him in relation to the deaths of multiple patients. Now,
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they looked at all the deaths in the hospital between O three and O five
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and they found out that seventy three percent of the deaths were connected to his
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work schedule. Seventy three A little suspect. Just I'm like, that may
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be circumstantial because you didn't actually see it, but that's pretty good circumstantial evidence
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in my opinion for me. Yeah, oh yeah, for sure. So
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obviously the District Attorney of Oldenburg received the findings because it's like, oh,
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yeah, we got to send this to this dude. Yeah. In terms
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of the one incident mentioned before, regarding the syringe being manipulated, the Landgrricht
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Oldenburg or German Regional Court sentenced him to five years in prison and he was
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banned from employment as a nurse for just as long. So they didn't ban
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him forever. They just put him in prison for five years and banned him
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for five years and then you can be a nurse again. Okay. Now,
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I will say this, that was for voluntary manslaughter, that's what they
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called it. After that verdict, there was a joint plaintiff that appealed the
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decision for something more, and the court reversed the decision in June of eight
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and he was given seven and a half years and a lifelong employment ban.
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That's better, they fixed that. It helps the ban, not the It
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should have been more than that for sentence. But yeah, after that happened,
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there were around twenty fourteen, they decided to start another investigation up about
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him, and by fall of twenty fourteen, he was charged with three counts
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of murder and two counts of attempt at murder. He confessed to those charges,
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and he also confessed to thirty more. Well did he confess because he
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was sorry or did he confess to get attention? I don't know, because
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they do call him super nice as as a person. I just mean,
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I wondered he was just a really nice guy. It's possible he just saw
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that the curtains were falling on him and it was just like, I might
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as well say all this stuff. It'll help me in prison. I don't
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know. Those the patients that he confessed who died because of ninety unauthorized injections
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that were given to them. Sixty of the ninety people had to be resuscitated.
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Leaving those thirty who died. So yeah, he was sentenced after that
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to life in prison on February twenty eighth, twenty fifteen. And during the
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trial, the prosecution said that he did these things because he was one board
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and then also to show off how good he was at resuscitation. He wanted
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to jump in and be the hero. He wanted to be there right at
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the right time, and he wanted to impress people. He wanted to be
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that savior. Yeah, he wanted to be that you know, white boy
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Jesus stop doing it man, all right, because apparently he didn't always succeed.
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No new So there were mountain concerns that he was actually responsible for many
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more deaths than the thirty four. So they doubled down on their investigations in
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October of fourteen, and in their investigations they found they found two hundred suspicious
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deaths identified two hundred two z rosio. Okay, yes, so this is
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just them identifying these, right, they haven't confirmed or not. The commission
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put together in order to investigate this was called Cardio, which I thought was
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clever mm hmmm, because I think it's cardio cardiovascular. I think it's only
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because it's spelled with a K in John instead of a C, so it's
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spelled with three k's in Mississippi. So um, that one was for Paige
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in In this investigation, they exhumed one hundred and thirty four bodies across sixty
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seven cemeteries, and the investigation with three years long. Holyron right, it's
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a lot of bodies. That's expensive. Also true, however, they had
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found so many suspicious deaths. I'd bet you it was worth it to close
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out some of these things. Yeah, I say yes, But on one
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hand, you can't sit and seem to life many more times. So if
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you get him on fifty, what's another hundred? I mean, except for
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the families, I would have just said he killed them all, and I
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would just blame them all. Annie, Yeah, I agree. I mean,
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I think this was a case in which the police, h slash,
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hospital, slash, whatever, government actually was doing the right thing by the
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families, I think, which is really funny considering it's Germany. So the
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investigation over, I'm just offending everybody to night. I am, I mean
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opportunity offender. I think that they really pushed hard to do the right thing
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after that war they're just looking for that feather in that gap. The investigation
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was three years long. Dcomp for many had progressed far enough to where they
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couldn't get much from the bodies. One hundred and one patients, So one
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hundred and thirty four we're zoomed. One hundred and one couldn't be that's over
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two hundred. I'm guessing the two hundred was an estimation. Yeah, but
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they it don't math, and I don't math, and we don't math.
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But one hundred and one patients couldn't be autopsied because they've been cremated. Makes
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it a little difficult, does Yeah, can't exsume can't exsume those No,
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so some of these bodies were showing straight a trace of heart medication. In
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November of twenty sixteen, authorities were able to put thirty seven murders to him,
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and the director of the commission said that that was probably only the tip
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of the iceberg, and boy was he right. On August twenty eighth of
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the year, after twenty seventeen, police finally said that they were able to
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conclude he was responsible for ninety deaths. That's a lot of people, a
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lot of people yep, and that that did include the six he was already
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convicted for. Now he admitted to an undisclosed number of deaths. He said
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he wasn't sure. I think I think pretty much. He said that sounds
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about right. However, it could be more, but he couldn't remember most
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of them because he was just not determinently doing this. So he wasn't going
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home and keep on a log that today I killed two people. Okay,
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well that's makes me feel a little better. Not much, Yeah, so
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random, I don't like this person's face right. For four or five months
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later in the next year, twenty eighteen, prosecutors ended up charging him total
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with the murder of ninety seven people. Now on top of the charges for
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him, they also decided to file charges against those who failed to do anything
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about it if they knew so they those people were going to get theirs one
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way or another. And police said that he used five different drugs Ajmalin's soda
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lol lye to Cain and me, oh gosh, I had I had pronounced
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these, practiced them so much before this moment. That's why you couldn't do
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it right amid her own and calcium chloride. So he used those five on
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folks. Fault's gonna kill you, right, So those charges were pressed against
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him. The dead were between thirty The charges were pressed against him, pressed
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charges against him. I mean the charges could be pressed against him, Okay.
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I just wanted to know in Germany if they do it a little different,
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they like press it upon your body. I wrote it right, I
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said it wrong. I just liked the visual. I mean, press those
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charges against me, daddy. Um not where I went with it, but
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okay, I was gonna go there. So the people, the people that
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he killed were between thirty four and ninety six years old. The main trial
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happened October thirtieth, twenty eighteen, and there were one hundred in twenty plaintiffs
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one and twenty wow. And it took place in Vasar Elms Holly, which
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is basically a series of ballrooms because that court they needed that much space for
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this, I would think, so yeah. And the trial took twenty four
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days. He confessed to forty three of the one hundred or ninety seven murder
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charges only because he couldn't recall the other fifty two, and he denied involvement
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in five of them. So I can't recall seems pretty typical from prison.
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I don't know. I don't know I was talking about. That's what I
30:41
learned with watching OZ. There were thirty two witnesses present at the trial.
30:47
Eight were under oath, three were via camera. I don't know why they
30:52
only gave me, you know, eleven there with the thirty two witnesses.
30:57
Witnesses don't did they maybe not testify. They were there, but they weren't
31:02
called, So they weren't under oath because they were listed but never called.
31:06
It would be they would have had a big called. It was twenty four
31:08
days long, but you would have to do an oath for that, right,
31:12
Yeah, I don't know that. Germany, Yeah, I don't know
31:15
either. I got the math is obviously not working here. Well. No,
31:26
So there were also experts in forensics that testified and more confirmed much of
31:32
what was thought. And someone also confirmed that he provided the court with truthful
31:36
confessions. There was no reason at that point where he'd give a false one.
31:40
It just didn't make sense. He was probably telling the truth. He
31:42
seemed like he was telling the truth. So that was what the testimony said.
31:47
I don't know what that. I don't know why, but I guess
31:49
they found that to be important, although in twenty eighteen, that's kind of
31:53
the realm of making a murder slash staircase. So maybe they wanted just to
32:00
prove the fact that this was a true and honest confession. Maybe yeah,
32:06
But haven't we learned that sometimes people lie? Have we learned? Have we?
32:14
Because there's still one running for president and I don't know what to say
32:17
about that. You know, Oh, yeah, we're gonna all have to
32:24
move to Canada, so I'm actually gonna go to Finland. Yeah that's good
32:31
too. Yeah, let's just buy like an island offense. Does Finland have
32:37
any islands off of it? We should buy one lots islands off of a
32:40
coast to BC. Oh, well we can do. We'll just island hop
32:46
from island hop. It'll be fun. The defense said that evidence was insufficient
32:52
in more instances that would have been that would have allowed conviction, and they
32:59
wanted h and the defense wanted him to be acquitted for thirty one thirty one
33:04
murder convictions and then fifty five attempted murder convictions. Just this is it's just
33:12
they were like, there's not enough evidence here, and they all have the
33:15
death penalty there. I'm guessing there's a hundred and something people. I would
33:21
think the death penalty. I mean, I live in a state where they'll
33:23
kill you for anything, but NA, they must not if they're wanting to
33:29
have them excluded. It was abolished in West Germany in nineteen forty nine and
33:36
then in East Germany in nineteen eighty seven, which you think it would be
33:38
the other way around, but I can understand what their history. Yeah,
33:44
we had thought a lot of countries that still do capital punishment. Anyways,
33:49
Oh, come on over to Texas. We will still well, I will
33:53
be in August, but no, yeah, why you're here in August.
33:57
We're going to make sure we do not get on that list. Okay,
34:00
yes, exactly. You know, yeah, please don't become a part of
34:05
a documentary. You will cover us, right JT. If sometime happens to
34:08
Mike and I in August when he's here, you will do an episode or
34:13
two about us on all four shows in very different ways. We will definitely
34:20
do that, and then we'll also live stream the trial. It'll be great.
34:23
Okay, great, so we're covered, Mike, we will we will
34:27
become infamous. Okay, sounds good. So he was sentenced. Obviously,
34:34
he sentenced the life imprisonment. They found him guilty on eighty five separate charges,
34:37
not guilty on fifteen. He wanted to be the hero. He wanted
34:42
to come out smelling like roses, and now it just smells like prison,
34:47
which I'm sure is fantastic. And he appealed the verdict, but obviously it
34:52
was kept in place. And on the last day of the trial he apologized
34:57
to the victims families. I don't have a transcript of that. I don't
35:00
know whether it was honest. It very well could have been at least semi
35:02
genuine. Honestly, I remember well as as as shitty as he was,
35:09
and as many people as he obviously took from as earth way too soon and
35:14
unnecessarily, there wasn't anything else behaviorally that indicates that he was mean that I
35:21
could find so well, there's a difference between being polite and nice, and
35:24
I think we forget that. Growing up in a southern state, I was
35:30
raised to always be polite, just like bless your heart. Maybe polite,
35:37
but it is so not nice. I think we confuse those two things.
35:42
It's just like Canada, We're polite, not nice. Yeah. Yeah,
35:45
that's my first lesson. Maybe polite to your face, but I still got
35:49
the knife ready for your back. Yeah. Things just got intense. All
35:55
I do is throw up a middle finger, like, but I'm we can
36:00
go there. Yeah, there it is, there it is. That's the
36:04
that's the knife. A nice I think Mike has the Texas of knives.
36:12
Everything's bigger and Mike, I don't know what that means. We just let
36:19
it go. Um okay, I'm just gonna call this that. You said
36:23
everything is bigger in Mike, not unlike you said in Mike. So what
36:29
are we putting in Mike? I mean? Oh, okay, I don't
36:36
shame. I don't shame either. Don't get jelly so do. Due to
36:45
this and due to Hogel, the two clinics he worked at said they were
36:49
going to compensate the victim's relatives. Good idea, And they were also the
36:53
first clinics ultimately to introduce a procedure called qualified netcropsy, which that means that
37:00
there's an additional corner and in order to prevent you know, any death by
37:06
unnatural causes, etc. Yeah, and question, sorry, you mean when
37:12
you say compensate, did they refund the money they charged them for whatever services
37:16
they were in the hospital for, or they gave them above and beyond or
37:21
probably it didn't say or does Germany have medical that doesn't cost him? I
37:24
was going to say, is it privatized or not? I don't know.
37:28
Germany has the free public healthcare. All Germans and legal residents of Germany are
37:34
entitled to free medically necessary public healthcare, which is funded by social security contributions.
37:38
Right boom oh, So that was above and beyond, So it didn't
37:43
cost them anything they want above and beyond. In addition, his supervisor from
37:49
the first hospital in Oldenburg said that he was suspected to be involved, but
37:53
overall they didn't prosecute. Why didn't they prosecute even though they thought he was
37:59
involved? To check the reputation of the hospitals? Which destroys the reputation?
38:04
What about the person who wrote the referenced letter. Did they get in trouble?
38:08
A lot of people should have gotten trouble, and within the investigation,
38:13
I think they found some stuff, but I didn't go that far. So
38:17
these people are horrific monsters and they prey on people who are vulnerable. They
38:22
prey on those who can't even make decisions for themselves. And I'm glad that
38:28
things happened, that they took it seriously and did a large investigation and then
38:31
did a double that size and then triple that size. But what I'm not
38:35
impressed with is the fact they protected the hospital's reputation by not prosecuting the person
38:39
that they thought was failing to intervene, and then at the same time,
38:44
in the same vein, the hospital protected their reputation by not doing anything about
38:50
this, and that is what led to those ninety seven deaths. I know,
38:55
fifty one or whatever. We're convicted, but come on, but,
39:01
like you said, vulnerable when you go in the hospital, Just like I
39:06
was in the er this week, I trusted the person that was there.
39:09
Not once did I stop and think, Oh, should I question this?
39:15
Should I? Oh, y'all want to give me that? Okay, give
39:16
it to me. You want to do that? Oh you're putting something in
39:19
my ivy okay. And now that I'm hearing your case, I'm thinking how
39:24
stupid I was. Well, And that goes back to what I said in
39:29
the very beginning. Right when we hear about these things, the question what
39:34
if always comes to mind? And whether we want it to or not.
39:37
We know that not everybody falls within the category of like psychosis that this guy
39:43
had, right, but we still think about it, and that's there in
39:47
lies some of the Well, there in lies the biggest tragedy of it all
39:53
is because the good people who do a really good job in a rough career,
40:00
um that's not easy or often thanked. You know, they all suffer
40:05
because of one person. Yeah, I'm guessing that's happening now with me talking
40:09
about it a few years later. But I give this case a qualified uugh.
40:16
I just like, just oh, don't worry. I think this whole
40:20
series it's going to be like that Essex saying, boy, mine's a plus
40:27
plus plus. Yeah, well that's my case, all right. I don't
40:36
have to say thank you or say I should have been more because I had
40:43
researched my case before I was in the hospital this week. But now I'm
40:45
sitting here going I literally let people put shit in my IV and didn't ask
40:50
questions. Yeah, you know, so thank you for giving me that new
40:54
fears. Yeah, engaged, thank you, wonderful you all right, Well,
41:01
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entire time. It's still it still says Dink Bruise. It's been, dude,
42:36
it's been like that since I guested with you, because I wrote it
42:42
once and then I just I saved it as a introscript. Dink Bruise.
42:46
That makes me funny, maybe, Bruise. All right, we all ready
42:52
to go ready for you? All right, I'll press the intro. If
42:58
you don't hear it, let me know right away. Oh boom boom boom
43:01
king Yeah, all right, you got to get one for that where well,
43:07
when he's working, there's white smokes, so it's yeah, um,
43:14
just like take one passing around, pass it around. Not there, oh
43:16
shoot, not there. Um. It's literally I feel like on his wall
43:22
is just like the fantasy football draft or the marchman Is bracket of priests.
43:28
It's just trying to put them in the right regions. It's not funny,
43:31
but it is because it's so terrible. Just fire them, just remind me
43:37
to tell you my really bad Catholic joke one day when it's appropriate, because
43:44
it's it's appropriate. They're always appropriate. Want it now? I can tell
43:47
you, Mike, you wont a Catholic joke. Now go for it,
43:52
and we can always cut it if we want you too. So do you
43:55
know how you get a non pregnant I don't know. No, dress her
44:02
up as an altar boy. Yeah, it's true, and I've told that
44:09
to my priest before, so I'm not ashamed. He did not find it
44:15
funny. Father Christopher said a prayer for me. But hey, when you're
44:19
right, you're right. Yeah, and you have to dress the nun up
44:22
like an altar boy because the priests are too busy dressing and dresses. It's
44:25
fine and there's nothing wrong with lady and dress. It's right. Oh man.
44:32
Anyways, let's get back completely. A chunk of the I shouldn't say