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The Late Debate | 15 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: General, Welcome the Late Place.
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  Speaker 2: Thanks Paul, we won't hold that against you. Well, welcome
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  Speaker 2: to the Late Debate. I'm fran Leach here with Cal
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  Speaker 2: Richards and Joe Hildebrand coming up tonight. Finally, some good
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  Speaker 2: news from jen Z. The sherif of university students in
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  Speaker 2: the US identifying as non binary is collapsing. Have we
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  Speaker 2: reached peak wokeness? And will we see a similar thing
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  Speaker 2: in Australia? In the papers? The Victorian government will weigh
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  Speaker 2: women's safety in their transgender prison strategy. Here's an idea,
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  Speaker 2: maybe just don't put men in women's prisons.
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  Speaker 3: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: Plus parents from London schools have been banned from watching
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  Speaker 2: their kids play sport because of their bad behavior towards
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  Speaker 2: officials and other children. Is this an overreaction? We'll discuss
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  Speaker 2: that later in the hour. Well, two years ago, fifty
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  Speaker 2: four percent of Victorians voted no to the Voice. Jacinta
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  Speaker 2: Allen had ignored the wishes of her state and is
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  Speaker 2: moving ahead with a radical treaty and the legislation is
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  Speaker 2: going through Victorian Parliament as we speak. It's essentially the
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  Speaker 2: Voice on steroids, establishing a parallel parliament based on race
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  Speaker 2: and effectively giving Indigenous Australians two votes, one for the
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  Speaker 2: regular Parliament and one for the Indigenous Parliament. The Victorian
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  Speaker 2: Libs have promised to abolish it in their first one
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  Speaker 2: hundred days if elected. Now, Kel, I do not understand
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  Speaker 2: how after your state votes, know the country votes know you,
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  Speaker 2: then go great, We'll move forward with an even more
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  Speaker 2: radical version of what you all just said no to.
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  Speaker 4: But not understanding is not a response to Decinder Alan
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  Speaker 4: because we don't understand almost anything she does. The real
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  Speaker 4: problem with this is it actually is racism. Let me
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  Speaker 4: read you the Oxford Universe because I'm the word man. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: So the Oxford English Dictionary's definition of rapeism it is
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  Speaker 4: unequal treatment on the basis of membership of a particular
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  Speaker 4: racial group. Now it can't be argued that this is racism.
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  Speaker 4: We've just seen three one hour documentary simp Tony Abbott
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  Speaker 4: in which he's shown that Australia never has had systemic racism.
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  Speaker 4: The only things that happen whenever approved of by government,
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  Speaker 4: whenever government policy, they just happened because of clashes on
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  Speaker 4: the frontier. This is systemic racism. This is just sider
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  Speaker 4: around and deciding to build into the system racist treatment
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  Speaker 4: of people, A division on a racial basis that's horrid.
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  Speaker 4: Everyone hates racism. On what basis does she say it's okay,
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  Speaker 4: I'm being nice by being racist, and don't I'm not
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  Speaker 4: convinced that this actually represents the view of most Aboriginal
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  Speaker 4: people in Victoria's about seventy thousand Aboriginal people in Victoria,
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  Speaker 4: one percent of the population, and I don't think there's
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  Speaker 4: been any survey to discover whether most of them want
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  Speaker 4: to be treated differently from the rest of Victorians. I
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  Speaker 4: think they just be Victorians, and this.
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  Speaker 1: Is just killed being suspicious.
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  Speaker 4: I suspect it's a bunch of inner city radicals and
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  Speaker 4: activists who are pushing this kind of thing. It's beyond
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  Speaker 4: belief that, as you said, after a fifty four percent
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  Speaker 4: novo to the Voice and only forty six percent swing years,
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  Speaker 4: she would say, well, that's all right, I'll do it anyway.
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  Speaker 2: It's just remarkable, Joe, Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 3: To be honest, I almost want to see this go
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  Speaker 3: ahead because I think it will be such a do
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  Speaker 3: nothing talk fest that fraught with symbolism, fraught with you know,
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  Speaker 3: emotional statements, won't actually address it. I think there'll be
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  Speaker 3: that much fighting and argument over what it does, because
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  Speaker 3: this is what the sort of left does. It just
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  Speaker 3: splinters it factionalizers and argues with itself and then nothing
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  Speaker 3: ever gets done. So I suspect that is what is
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  Speaker 3: going to happen. I suspect it is something that is
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  Speaker 3: dominated by the more inurban left rather than indigenous people
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  Speaker 3: out in the communities. I mean, and it's certainly true that,
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  Speaker 3: you know, horrible things have happened in Australia and we
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  Speaker 3: have to treat our history, you know, in a clear
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  Speaker 3: eyed way and tell people what happened. But it is
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  Speaker 3: equally true, and you know, there has been there have
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  Speaker 3: been racist policies, There's no two ways about that. But
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  Speaker 3: a lot of them were intended to be benign. A
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  Speaker 3: lot of them were racist or sort of patronizing if
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  Speaker 3: you like, or but it was not done. It was
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  Speaker 3: done because they thought they were trying to save Aboriginal
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  Speaker 3: people when in fact they were probably helping to kill them.
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  Speaker 3: And and then there were the horrendous atrocities that occurred
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  Speaker 3: on the frontiers that again you know, were often covered
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  Speaker 3: up because if the perpetrators had been caught, they would
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  Speaker 3: have been hanged and.
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  Speaker 1: If in the case of.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, exactly right, and Arthur Phillip, a lot of
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  Speaker 3: this stuff didn't actually start. This is the other thing
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  Speaker 3: with Australia. This didn't start with Arthur Phillip in seventeen
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  Speaker 3: eighty eight. This is you know, when the first fleet arrived.
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  Speaker 3: That initial period was probably the most peaceful that Indigenous
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  Speaker 3: and non Australians.
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  Speaker 1: Because I wind you've got.
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  Speaker 4: A lot started by saying it won't do anything. The
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  Speaker 4: trouble is in the legislation. It's given enormous powers. It
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  Speaker 4: can decide whether to let people into various landmarks around Victoria.
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  Speaker 4: Can it can decide to change place names. Now this
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  Speaker 4: bothers me a lot to formal organization called SOAP Save
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  Speaker 4: our Australian Placenames. Of the four million place names in Australia,
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  Speaker 4: three million of them are already Indigenous words.
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  Speaker 1: We don't need more.
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  Speaker 3: What I'm talking is that the victorial authorities are doing
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  Speaker 3: that already. I mean Channel ten already calls Melbourne Armoy
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  Speaker 3: slightly before my beloved friend.
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  Speaker 2: But that's how you know that this is all just
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  Speaker 2: about the endless conquest to rewrite and change our culture,
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  Speaker 2: our history to make us constantly ashamed. It's not actually
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  Speaker 2: about improving the lives of Indigenous people, and it won't
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  Speaker 2: do anything to improve their lives other than add a
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  Speaker 2: whole nother layer of bureaucracy. And my concern is if
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  Speaker 2: Victoria goes down this road. We know they are kind
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  Speaker 2: of the avant garde of trendy labor left thought. It's
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  Speaker 2: only a matter of time before the left in other
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  Speaker 2: states starts agitating for a treaty as well. And that's
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  Speaker 2: what really.
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  Speaker 3: I think that there is that. But again, that's kind
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  Speaker 3: of why I want to say, all right, fine, put
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  Speaker 3: this in place ten years later, let's check in and
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  Speaker 3: see if it's actually made any difference to disadvantage. What
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  Speaker 3: will actually help indigenous disadvantage though, Fray, you'll be pleased
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  Speaker 3: to know, is Lydia Thorpe. We need all Lydia thoughts
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  Speaker 3: because she's already done so much, you know, forget all
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  Speaker 3: these inner city Melbourne extreme left indigenous activists. What we
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  Speaker 3: need is Lydia Thorpe. And in a city Melbourne extreme
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  Speaker 3: left indigenous activists anyway, you may have seen over the
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  Speaker 3: week that Lydia Thorpe has declared to I think a
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  Speaker 3: Propostinian rally, because of course, what else where else do
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  Speaker 3: you prosecute indigenous affairs than at a Propalastinian rally. That
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  Speaker 3: she would turn down the Parliament if that's what it
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  Speaker 3: took to just you know, make a point, have a
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  Speaker 3: listen and we.
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  Speaker 1: Will turn up every day.
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  Speaker 3: And if I have to brand down Parliament House to
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  Speaker 3: make a point, I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm really just people.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, just to recap, you burn down Parliament House,
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  Speaker 3: but not because that will actually make any difference in
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  Speaker 3: and of itself. You burn down Parliament House to make
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  Speaker 3: a point about the suffering of the Palestinian people who
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  Speaker 3: have just unanimously agreed to a peace deal offered by
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  Speaker 3: Donald Trump, so against their own wishes, you burn down
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  Speaker 3: Parliament House just to make the point about the pro
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  Speaker 3: Palestinian people, and that will then improve Indigenous relations in Australia.
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  Speaker 1: How can you deny that line of logic?
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  Speaker 3: Frayer makes perfect sense anyway, Susan Lee has now stood up. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: she stood up. Who says she's not a strong leader? Freyer?
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  Speaker 3: Susan Leers stood up. Whether it's leol lie, even you
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  Speaker 3: guys can't make up your minds about this, and she
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  Speaker 3: said there needs to be action against Lydia Thorpe and
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  Speaker 3: her incendiary behavior. So there you go. Looks like that's
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  Speaker 3: put Andrew Hasty back in his box. Holday, Enterprice. You
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  Speaker 3: didn't say that coming, did ya? Now he said action
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  Speaker 3: must be taken against Lydia. Thought.
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  Speaker 2: I think Susan is totally making the right call here
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  Speaker 2: to stand up and say this is not appropriate to
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  Speaker 2: have an Australian elected member of Parliament as senator saying
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  Speaker 2: she's going to go down and burn the parliament down.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's ironic. If you hate the parliament that much,
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  Speaker 2: why are you in there taking two hundred and fifty
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars of taxpayer money every year getting paid to
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  Speaker 2: sit in there. But I think there is a really
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  Speaker 2: serious point underlying that, and that it's clear that she
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  Speaker 2: has brought into a lot of Marxist ideology, and in
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  Speaker 2: Marxism they actually think that the state is a tool
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  Speaker 2: of oppression and that the government this is the communist state,
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  Speaker 2: and then it's magically all great, and the state is
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  Speaker 2: a tool for oppression, and therefore in order to actually
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  Speaker 2: overthrow the oppressors, you need to overthrow the state. It's revolutionary,
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  Speaker 2: it's anti democratic, and it's extremely dangerous. And to see
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  Speaker 2: that kind of thought slowly starting to seep into the
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  Speaker 2: mainstream of Australian politics is very scary.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. And the question is what can be
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  Speaker 1: done about her.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not sure whether under parliamentary rule she can be
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  Speaker 4: disciplined in any way, although I've got to acknowledge Tim Blair,
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  Speaker 4: who is a great Australian journalist, and Tim said there
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  Speaker 4: is a Melbourne strip club called Maxine's Gentleman's Club, which
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  Speaker 4: he was thrown out of from bad behavior, and which
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  Speaker 4: is she has been banned from. So Maxine's Strip Club
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  Speaker 4: has banned her, but the Parliament hasn't banned it. So
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  Speaker 4: she can't walk into the strip club, but she can
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  Speaker 4: walk into the Parliament.
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  Speaker 1: There is something wrong there. What is wrong with this picture?
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  Speaker 4: By the way, when she said she wanted to burn
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  Speaker 4: down Parliament, that she'd done something really.
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  Speaker 1: Stupid, she said it was a figure of speech. I
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  Speaker 1: think there's a wonderful this is the thing.
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  Speaker 3: Like this is the new Parliament house. Right, She's already
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  Speaker 3: supported the burning down of the old one. She had
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  Speaker 3: her mates out there burning it down and she celebrated that,
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  Speaker 3: and then the new one. We have to replace the
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  Speaker 3: old one that she wanted to burn down. Now she
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  Speaker 3: wants to burn that one down too. We can't afford
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  Speaker 3: to build another one. But running out of parliament houses.
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  Speaker 4: I can I just point out a lot of language
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  Speaker 4: of public debate is now becoming very violent in England.
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  Speaker 1: It's happened.
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  Speaker 4: There is a student by the name of Samuel Williams.
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  Speaker 4: He's at Oxford and he was at a pro Palestinian
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  Speaker 4: rally and he started a chat of put Zios which
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  Speaker 4: is his abbreviation of Zionists into the ground.
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  Speaker 1: Have a look at this, Garza, Garza, make us proud.
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  Speaker 3: Put the Zios in the ground.
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  Speaker 2: Garza Garzon makers dove.
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  Speaker 5: Crowd.
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  Speaker 4: Now what does in the ground mean? It can I
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  Speaker 4: do mean anything except death. So there is Israel, a
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  Speaker 4: population of nine million people, seven million of them are Jewish.
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  Speaker 4: I presume they're the people he classifies as being Zionists,
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  Speaker 4: and he would like them all.
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  Speaker 1: To be dead and buried.
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  Speaker 4: What is wrong with a university student who thinks calling
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  Speaker 4: for the death of seven million people is somehow a real,
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  Speaker 4: really useful and productive thing to do?
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  Speaker 3: More than seven million people, because any Jew or any
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  Speaker 3: person who believes in the state of Israel's body.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, so more than seven million.
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  Speaker 2: You're right, Well, that's the question, right, So the majority
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  Speaker 2: of Jewish people would consider themselves Zionists, and even more
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  Speaker 2: than that would support the state of Israel. And we
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  Speaker 2: know that Hamas has global ambitions. They don't just want
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  Speaker 2: to conquer Israel, they want to export their ideology of
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  Speaker 2: hatred around the world. And so what does this chant
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  Speaker 2: actually mean? And I totally understand how Jewish people, particularly
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  Speaker 2: Jewish people who are on university campuses, surrounded by people
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  Speaker 2: like that that are openly inciting violence, would feel genuinely scared.
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  Speaker 2: And we often cover on this show all the crazy
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  Speaker 2: things people in the UK get arrested for posting on Facebook.
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  Speaker 2: Last night we talked about a reform counselor who got
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  Speaker 2: referred to police for saying she was born and bred here.
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  Speaker 2: I want to know what's going to happen to this
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  Speaker 2: guy who is clearly inciting violence? Will there be any
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  Speaker 2: action or will reform counselors who postsuff on Facebook suffer
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  Speaker 2: more consequences than him?
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  Speaker 3: And also, what is happening to the most elitist universities
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  Speaker 3: in the world attended by the richest, most overprivileged, little
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  Speaker 3: snot nosed brats that are always the most radical. And
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  Speaker 3: I think when we get to the papers, we'll see
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  Speaker 3: that some of the smaller universities are joining a growing
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  Speaker 3: group of sort of anti wote unis. But you know,
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  Speaker 3: you look at Harvard in the US, it was one
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  Speaker 3: of the worst for anti Semitic activity, and I think
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  Speaker 3: their DC actually got in a bit of trouble and.
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  Speaker 2: Having sign over it over it.
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  Speaker 3: Then you have you know, obviously Oxford, and we've seen
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  Speaker 3: that video there air from that very well. I wonder
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  Speaker 3: if his you know, is he reading in history or philosophy.
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  Speaker 2: He's reading in politics, philosophy and economic.
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  Speaker 3: And see such a well spoken young man as I
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  Speaker 3: wonder if there's little footnotes after the word ground. And
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  Speaker 3: then of course you got here a and you I
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  Speaker 3: think it's our top former university. And you had someone
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  Speaker 3: take a student reps taken upon themselves to make some
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  Speaker 3: interesting comments on ABC Radio for which they had to
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  Speaker 3: be Sydney University.
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  Speaker 1: That woman who berated Jewish.
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  Speaker 3: Then just last week on a Jewish religious holiday where
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  Speaker 3: a woman just came up and starts screaming at them.
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  Speaker 3: So again I think it speaks volumes as to where
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  Speaker 3: the new kind of inner upper middle class in a
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  Speaker 3: city upper middle class left sits, which is you absolute
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  Speaker 3: numpties who read your little Marxist manufacturers marks. By the way,
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  Speaker 3: also upper middle class because factories.
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  Speaker 4: Doesn't it make you long for the day when the
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  Speaker 4: most outrageous thing that happened at Oxford was students getting
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  Speaker 4: drunk on boat race night, that that was.
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  Speaker 3: Probaby dotop bell towers and stuff like that. Yes, but again,
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  Speaker 3: just to disconnect between what normal people, working class people,
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  Speaker 3: more battler universities if you like where they're situated, and
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  Speaker 3: this really nasty sort of radicalized rich snot knows lefty.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And to think that Oxford was originally started as
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  Speaker 2: a place to train priests and monks for religious purposes
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  Speaker 2: and now look at the kind of students it's producing.
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  Speaker 4: Well, I wonder to what extent the loss of the
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  Speaker 4: Judeo foundations of Western civilization are playing out here. You
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  Speaker 4: get rid of those foundations and those values, and suddenly
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  Speaker 4: people can what other people did. I mean, Jesus said
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  Speaker 4: love your enemies. Well, that kind of idea which was
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  Speaker 4: built into the foundations of our civilization no longer exists
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  Speaker 4: for this kid. He just thinks anyone I don't like
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  Speaker 4: should be killed.
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  Speaker 2: And it was built into the foundations of the universities.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of them were started to teach theology to
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  Speaker 2: cultivate Christian citizens, and without that, they've basically just become
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  Speaker 2: factories to produce radical Marxists. Is a travesty for our civilization.
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  Speaker 3: Well started with reformation or your fault?
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  Speaker 2: Not sure about that one. But moving on now and
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  Speaker 2: on this same theme of Hamas and Gaza. Zero point
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  Speaker 2: thirteen of the Gaza Peace Plan, it says that her
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  Speaker 2: Maas must disarm and disband. But today there were summary
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  Speaker 2: executions conducted by Hamas in Gaza. Now I will warn
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  Speaker 2: you the imagery we are about to show you is
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  Speaker 2: highly distressing. So in an effort to reassert control over
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  Speaker 2: the strip, presumably har Maas has been executing people on mass,
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  Speaker 2: around fifty of them in the last twenty four hours alone.
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  Speaker 2: Kel When you see scenes like that, they've said they're
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  Speaker 2: going to disarm. They know according to the Peace Plan
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  Speaker 2: there's no role for them in government. It makes you
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  Speaker 2: wonder how realistic is this piece actually going to be I.
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  Speaker 4: Could see that a lot of people are saying that
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  Speaker 4: the peace plan is now trembling around the edges. But
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  Speaker 4: it's very early days. Trump is convinced something is going
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  Speaker 4: to happen. In fact, Trump talked about that. He said
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  Speaker 4: Hamas had promised to disarm. Have a look at this.
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  Speaker 1: We have.
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  Speaker 5: Told them we want disarm, and they're will disarmed.
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  Speaker 1: And if they don't disarmed, we will disarm them.
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  Speaker 5: And it'll happen quickly and perhaps violently, but they will disarmed.
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  Speaker 1: Do you understand me.
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  Speaker 4: So if he's so confident they will be disarmed, either
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  Speaker 4: voluntarily or as he said, to use his word, violently,
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  Speaker 4: what is going to happen? I mean, it's the journalistic cliche.
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  Speaker 4: I we'll have to wait and see, but we will.
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  Speaker 1: I mean.
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  Speaker 4: The possibilities are that he might authorize Benjamin Netanyaho to
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  Speaker 4: send the IDF back in, or perhaps he will make
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  Speaker 4: a major attempt to get his ISF forced together quickly.
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  Speaker 4: That's the International Stabilization Force now. So far, Indonesia has
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  Speaker 4: promised we read, twenty thousand fighting men to go into
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  Speaker 4: that ISF force. He needs more than that. There's a
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  Speaker 4: suggestion Turkey might supply. Some European countries should supply some.
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  Speaker 4: They won't be Americans, Trump says, but he has to
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  Speaker 4: get his ISF force together really quickly and mobilize really fast.
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  Speaker 1: It's really it's difficult.
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  Speaker 4: For us sitting here to imagine how that disarmament could happen,
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  Speaker 4: because the practical problem looks huge, doesn't it.
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  Speaker 2: And the terror infrastructure. I think that's the thing. People
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  Speaker 2: also don't understand when Trump says we need to get
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: rid of Hamas's infrastructure. Sure, that's great, but their tunnel
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  Speaker 2: system is larger than the London underground system, and so
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  Speaker 2: someone's got to go in there, blow them all up,
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  Speaker 2: or flood them or do something. And I guess it's good.
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  Speaker 2: Now the hostages aren't in there, the IDF for whoever
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  Speaker 2: it is that goes in can be more aggressive and
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  Speaker 2: it will probably be quicker for them. But still it
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  Speaker 2: is a monumental task in front of them.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it is huge. I mean. The problem is that
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  Speaker 3: the people who who Trump and the Israel and the
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: West have access to are making these guarantees, but they
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: no longer clearly actually speak on behalf of the mass
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: fighters on the ground. So the political leadership of Hamas
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: that's in Qatar and at the negotiating table has either
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: lost contact with or control over elements of the MASS
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: fighters on the ground. And that was warned about, you know,
• 18:24
  Speaker 3: days and weeks ago, and now we've sort of seen
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: proof of that. And also you've got these like a
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: mass doesn't exist in a vacuum in Gaza either. So
• 18:31
  Speaker 3: you've got all these other clan groups basically you know,
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: big criminal or not. They all say they're innocent, but
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: big you know, clan networks, some of which are just
• 18:42
  Speaker 3: sort of like organized crime. There's one big, big dude
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: who they say is a drug a drug lord. He
• 18:48
  Speaker 3: says he's not. Of course, he would say that he
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: was the one that was initially thought that her Mass
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: was trying to rub out here. And even Trump himself
• 18:56
  Speaker 3: has said, look, these seven guys who they killed, they're
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: pretty bad guy. They're pretty bad on Braise as well.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: So what I think we're seeing there is a sort
• 19:06
  Speaker 3: of gang a power vacuum, and nature abhors a vacuum
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: in which different competing gangs and crime groups and terror
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: groups and political groups in the Mass are vying for
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: control to fill that vacuum. And of course as you know,
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: that vacuum needs to be filled by the isf otherwise
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: it will go to someone like a mass or even
• 19:27
  Speaker 3: worse like Candace Owens, for example, who has just been rebanned.
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: The High Court has doubled down on a decision by
• 19:36
  Speaker 3: Immigration Minister and Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke to deny
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Candace Owens, who was obviously a fairly controversial public figure
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: in America, a visa for an upcoming speaking to us.
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: She appealed that decision by the Minister to the High Court,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: but the High Court has said to quote family feud
• 19:57
  Speaker 3: and they have supported them's decision, and so she has
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: been banned for coming. Now this is something I'm very
• 20:04
  Speaker 3: much all of free speech and everything. This is someone
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: who has spread some pretty crazy kind of anti Jewish
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: conspiracy theories, the sort of things that fuel pograms, sort
• 20:14
  Speaker 3: of things that Nazis would cling to to justify their
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: theories of an international Jewish conspiracy. Freyer free speech or
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: censorship or anti Semitism stamped out. I mean, we have
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: people keep saying, you know, don't allow this to happen,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: the government's not doing enough, and then when it does
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: something like this, they say no what about free speech.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: Well, obviously I totally disagree with her views on Israel
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: and a lot of the things she said about the Holocaust.
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: Here is one example of just the kind of blatant
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: lies that she often feels free to express.
• 20:48
  Speaker 6: On innocent people and es, come on, that's the difference
• 20:53
  Speaker 6: the experimented on twins. I mean, some of the stories,
• 20:55
  Speaker 6: by the way, sound completely absurd. Really, the idea they
• 20:58
  Speaker 6: just like cut a human up and seldom back together.
• 21:01
  Speaker 6: Why would you do that, literally, even if you're the
• 21:03
  Speaker 6: most evil person in the world. That's a tremendous waste
• 21:05
  Speaker 6: of time and supplies. Just slice a person in half
• 21:08
  Speaker 6: and sew them together. That just sounds like bizarre propaganda.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: So she's cast out on Mengela's twin experiments. She has
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: minimized the Holocaust and questioned it. So my problem here
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: cale Obviously, I'm a very passionate advocate against anti Semitism.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: I'm very supportive of Israel. My own grandmother was a
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: German Jew who had to flee during the Nazi reign.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: But my problem here is that if you start banning
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: these views, they almost become like a forbidden fruit. People think, oh, well,
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: why can't I question this, Why can't we have a
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: discussion about the icula? What are they trying to hide?
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: What lobby groups are they listening to? And it almost
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: perpetuates the idea that there must be some sort of
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: conspiracy behind this. And so I would much rather when
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: there's an idea that I vehemently disagree with and find repulsive,
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: bring it into the light, have the discussion in the open,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: have the debate, and then debunk it. I'm very concerned
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: about the slippery slope we're going down.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I understand that, and it makes a lot
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: of sense to me. And you've got to understand this
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: woman doesn't have a huge amount of authority. I mean,
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: this is the woman who said that the wife of
• 22:26
  Speaker 4: Emmanuel Macron, the President of France, Bridget Macon, is a man.
• 22:33
  Speaker 4: She's actually been pursued in court over that, and she
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: wants a Bridget Macron to do a test so to
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: prove that she's a woman not a man. So I
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: question how seriously she's been taken. She says outrageous things.
• 22:47
  Speaker 4: I think anyone who denies the Holocaust or says anything
• 22:49
  Speaker 4: Semitic is inhuman. But I really I like you I
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: worry about what happens to free speech. Free speech. One
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: of the things that Brander said when he was in
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: the centate was free speech means allowing your enemies to
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: say horrible things.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: And that's part.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: It means allowing people to say weird things. I mean,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: we've got people are to say very weird things. I
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: mean someone might say Clementine Ford says really weird things,
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: but she's allowed to say them free speech. I used
• 23:19
  Speaker 4: to work with a bloke on talkback radio who believed
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: all of these kinds of conspiracies, including a secret Jewish
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: caval and he said really strange things and he got
• 23:29
  Speaker 4: reasonable ratings. But I don't think anyone took him seriously,
• 23:32
  Speaker 4: which means it's not it's not as though they're being persuasive.
• 23:36
  Speaker 4: I think for many people, what do you think?
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: I think? I think sometimes these things do have to
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: be exposed to light. And Candis Ollans I think has
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: suffered sort of catastrophic reputational damage since she's said these things.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: But no one's actually stopping her from saying any of
• 23:50
  Speaker 3: this stuff, just as no one's stopping you know.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: No, no Burke is stopping her. He's stopping her coming.
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: He stopping out from entering the country. We decide who
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: comes to our country in the circums answers in which
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: they come call. That was tow you. So I think
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: if you're going to if you're going to say to people, know,
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: even though you're fleeing for your life, we've got no
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: room and you're not a benefit to our country. So
• 24:11
  Speaker 3: we're going to say no. You can say to someone well,
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: you know, you can say whatever you want on your
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: YouTube channel or your podcast, but we don't want you
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: to come here and do a speaking to it at
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: a time when we've already got massive anti Semitic attacks
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: in Jewish But this.
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: But Tony Burke has also canceled the visa of someone
• 24:28
  Speaker 2: like Killel Fuld, who was and he's an Israeli tech
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: entrepreneur who said some you know, hardcore things about Gaza,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: but keep in mind his brother was murdered by Palestinian terrorists.
• 24:39
  Speaker 3: I think that's very different.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: I think, but I just the manipulation of the visa
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: system to reject people that we don't like.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: We rejected Kanye West, like you can't say, oh no,
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Kanye West can't come in because he said all this
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: crazy stuff because he's obviously just suffering a massive ongoing
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: mental breath, and.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Hate preachers have come in, who hate preachers people from
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Gaza on tourist visas.
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: I think they stopped They stopped her from coming. There
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: was the crazy guards and women because someone their entire family.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: She was stopped as well the patterners.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: Tony Burke is saying, if someone is showing things that
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: bother me, they can't come.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: It's just when you've got we've got the Jewish community
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: living in absolute terror of their lives, getting their synagogue's
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: fire bomb, getting graffiti, you've got a run like using
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: third party.
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: Is not serious enough to really add to that.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: I get that, but I just my worry is that
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: banning her visa. You've already seen this on social media.
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I think it will actually make anti Semitism worse because
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: people will go, well, why are you banning her?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, two to one, we've won.
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: You. Let's move on to Charlie Kirk.
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: Now, okay, let's move on to Charlie Kirk. I'll double down.
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump has posthumously awarded Charlie Kirk the highest civilian
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: honor that a US president can bestow, and that is
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: the US Presidential Medal of Freedom. Here is the momster
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: explaining why he's doing it.
• 26:03
  Speaker 5: He was assassinated in the prime of his life for
• 26:06
  Speaker 5: boldly speaking the truth, for living his faith and relentlessly
• 26:11
  Speaker 5: fighting for a better and stronger America. Loved this country
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: and that's why this afternoon, it's my privilege to posthumously
• 26:20
  Speaker 5: award Charles James Kirk R. Nation's highest civilian honor, the
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: Presidential Medal of Freedom.
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: Thank you.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: There you got obviously a huge amount of support for
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: people in the US, obviously conservative and adherents of free spaces.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: Here is Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica and mother of course
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: two young kids, accepting the honor.
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: Charlie always said, the next generation will decide whether freedom
• 26:49
  Speaker 7: endoors and because of you, I know that freedom will endure.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: It will, And.
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: Today we're gathered not only to celebrate Charlie's birthday, but
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: to honor a truth that he gave his entire life
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: to defend. And that's freedom.
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: And of course Charlie Kirk's birthday is today, and that
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: is why Trump is making it a national day of remembrance.
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Have a listen to that.
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: I remember Charlie the patio. He could sit there all
• 27:23
  Speaker 5: night long listening.
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: To this, which is very nice, of course, because you're
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: not commemorating or marking the day that someone killed him.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: You're marking the day that he was born and came
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: into the world. Like Martin Luther King or everyone else
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: seems to get asassinated America. Quite frankly, No.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: It's beautiful and such moving scenes there at the White House,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: And I think Erica Kirk has just impressed me so
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: much in how she has handled this. I mean, she's
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: a mother of two young children. She has experienced this
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: tremendous grief, but she's carried herself with such grace and composure,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: always striking the right tone between honoring his memory but
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: also saying the fight isn't over, we are going to
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: press on. So when I see her like that and
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: she's taken over as head of Turning Point USA, it
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: does give me a lot of hope.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: And the thing that I find really remarkable is the
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: impact that Charlie Kirk is having. Now, many years ago
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: people used to say the blood of the martyrs is
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: the seed of the church, because martyrs can be more
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: powerful after their death than during their life.
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: Now, I would think more.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: People around the world know Charlie Kirk's name now than
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: knew it during his lifetime. Even though he was hugely
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: famous and popular in America, people around the world didn't
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: know him so much. Is now having an impact globally.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: I think it's remarkable. I think something really special is happening.
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: He's being seen as a martyr. And we had democrats,
• 28:56
  Speaker 4: American democrats, saying absurd things about him, about racist and
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: he was homophobic, which he was not because every time
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: we look at the videos of him debating with kids
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: on campus, he was courteous.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: He listened to people.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: Who disagreed with him, he drew them out, he responded
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: to them nicely, he used a bit of humor. Everything
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: they said about him that was evil and we just
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: wasn't true.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: We saw that.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: We've now seen the videos of how Charlie Kirk functioned.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: We know those lies are not true, and somehow or other,
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: he's having an astonishing I mean, Joe, would you agree
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: that this is an impact that it would have been
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: impossible to predict?
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so, Although I think it's probably an
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: impact that has just galvanized both the left and the right.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: So I think it's made the right feel even more
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: under attack and even more determined to push harder. And
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: I think it's made the left. I don't think it's
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: been some illuminating for the activist left, but hopefully for
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: those in the center, it has just woken people up
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: to just how violent both sides.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: I think it has woken up a lot of the
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: kind of classical liberals over in the US, the CNN
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: types who sort of thought, you know, I'm going to
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: be liberal or just get along, this will be fine.
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: And I think they've realized that. A lot of the left,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: particularly the reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination and the celebration,
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I think they're now realizing, Wow, a lot of the
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: left has actually been hijacked by psychotic.
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: Marxist and the level of violence is increasing. It's happening
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: in America and even in Britain. There's been a threat
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: on the life of Nigel Farage by a man named
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: fires Khan, who is an illegal Afghan migrant.
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Here is what he posted.
• 30:39
  Speaker 5: You do not know me are gonna comment to England?
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: I gonna you know they're not a.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: Pathar now he posted that TikTok video.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: He's going to be found guilty of making your death threat,
• 30:57
  Speaker 4: but he's going to be free and on the streets
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: again in eighteen months. London Southolk Crown Court sentence him
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: to five years in jile, but with time off, he's
• 31:06
  Speaker 4: going to be at eighteen months time and it seems
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: outrageously short throw it does.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: So what happened was Nigel Farage was making a video
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: about illegal migrant crossings and in that video he played
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: a video of this man fire As Khan, who was
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: documenting his journey trying to cross the English Channel as
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: an illegal migrant, and said, hey, this is the kind
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: of person trying to come in. Someone with an AK
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: forty seven tattooed on their face. Probably not the kind
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: of person we want in the UK. Fires Khan then
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: responded with that deta thrash and then now he's been detained.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: But Nigel Farage made a great point. This is just
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: one example. How many more of these kinds of people
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: crossing have gone undetected Here he was speaking outside the court.
• 31:52
  Speaker 3: It makes me.
• 31:53
  Speaker 8: Wonder how many other madapassas are there now in this
• 31:57
  Speaker 8: country or.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: Will there be.
• 31:59
  Speaker 8: As the boat to continue to cross the channel. So
• 32:02
  Speaker 8: I'm please with a judgment, but deeply, deeply concerned that
• 32:06
  Speaker 8: this guy will be out three in eighteen months.
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: Nigel Farage only found the death threat because apparently someone
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: sent it to him on TikTok. I mean, it wasn't
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: even the police going, hey, this guy's coming for you.
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: Well, they're too busy locking up reform counselors saying they
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: were born and you. Yeah, I mean obviously the whole
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: thing is just absolutely ridiculous and concerned. I mean, firstly,
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: the idea, I mean, how stupid would you have to
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: be to actually make a video of you illegally trying
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: to enter a country so you can get asylum there, Like,
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: if you really want to sign I think you're just
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: going to want to keep pretty quiet about it, you know,
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: I probably I probably don't think you want to make
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: that a sort of you know, a munchable, bite sized
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: TikTok video and then to you know, look just I mean,
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I'm I'm not a murderer, so I'm just guessing here,
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: But if you really are going to kill someone, don't
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: put a video on TikTok saying you're going to do it.
• 33:01
  Speaker 3: And again, now that just I'm not really particularly familiar
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: with this world. But if you are trying to convince
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: someone that you're a citizen of good character, maybe you
• 33:12
  Speaker 3: don't have an AK forty seven tattooed on your face.
• 33:16
  Speaker 3: Just these are just little tips I'm going to give
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: my you know, my kids as they get older and
• 33:21
  Speaker 3: they're trying to get by in life. You know, if
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: you want that big job sone, you know, maybe don't
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: have the giant face tat of the machine gun.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: It's so bad. And it then came out during the
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: court proceedings that he'd already been convicted of around seventeen
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: crimes over in Sweden, So just absurd stuff that thankfully
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: justice was served. But there is some positive news in
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: the world. A new study out of the US has
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: found that the share of young people at universities identifying
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: as non binary has almost halved in the last two
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: years alone. In twenty twenty three, six point eight percent
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: of young people identified as non binary so not male
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: or not female however that works. And now that's down
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: to just three point six percent. So there was that
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: huge spike post COVID and it's come right off. This
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: gives me so much hope. But I think kel it
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: symbolizes two things. One, we've reached peak woke, which praise
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: the Lord for that, but also that the social contagion
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: elements the fact that this was a trend, a fad
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: is also fading. People are starting to realize this is
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: not cool, this is really weird, and it really.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Was a fad.
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: There were instances in American high schools, for example, where
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: if one girl decided she was trans, suddenly lots of
• 34:41
  Speaker 4: other girls of the same age in the same class
• 34:43
  Speaker 4: all made the same decision at about the same time.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: So it was it was that kind of social infection.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: I mean, this non binary thing, I find fascinating. How
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: you identify as being not male or female. I mean,
• 34:55
  Speaker 4: aren't you tempted to say, look, when you get out
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: of the shower, just look in the mirror.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: You'll work.
• 35:00
  Speaker 4: It's not that confusing, And the idea that you could
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: identify as whatever you want to identify with. I identify as
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: being a seven foot tall champion basketball.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Player now, but I don't really I am? Are I right?
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: But I don't think any team is going to put
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: appointment to their team, so the identify what it means.
• 35:19
  Speaker 4: I think is there's been an outbreak of common sense.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: You can't live in fantasy world. Sooner or later reality
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: breaks in, doesn't it.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Actually the real take home message is that all the
• 35:29
  Speaker 3: COVID vaccinations turned people non binary.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Interesting take there from Joe. But what does concern me
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: is how many kids have already undergone life changing hormone
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: therapies as a result of this fad. I guess we'll
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: find out in the future and it'll be very, very sad.
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: But coming up after the break breaking news coming out
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: of Victoria, they're going to consider women's safety in their
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: transgender prison policy. Will tell you more about that after
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: the break back to the program, We're going to start
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: by giving you tomorrow's papers today. In the Australian First Up,
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  Speaker 2: Raddick urges party not to surrender to ALP on multiculturalism.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: Liberal luminary Philip Raddick has issued a plea to the
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: Coalition not to allow concerns of MPs such as just Intera, Nama,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: Jimmer Price and Andrew Hasty to color migration policy. As
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Susan Lee indicates she'll soon unveil her party's revamped policy platform.
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  Speaker 2: The stark warning from the former Attorney General followed seeing
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: a Liberal Front bencher James Patterson on Tuesday night urging
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  Speaker 2: the party against following the populism of conservative movements in
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Britain in the US, while arguing against surrendering the culture
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: wars to labor. Interesting intervention there from Raddick Kel.
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  Speaker 4: Philip Braddick is someone I've often admired. He's a very
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: sensible man and he's one of the elders of the
• 36:52
  Speaker 4: Liberal Party. But I actually don't understand what he's saying
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  Speaker 4: because as you followed the police further down, he's talking
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  Speaker 4: about disagreements and debates about multiculturalism. The debate's not about that.
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  Speaker 4: It's about numbers mass immigration. How many in total numbers
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: are coming into Australia and what are those numbers doing
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  Speaker 4: to house prices? What are they doing to strain on infrastructure?
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  Speaker 4: So it's just about big numbers or I mean, I've
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: thought for some time you need to work out a
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  Speaker 4: formula that immigration equals integration, the level at which we
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  Speaker 4: can provide the homes and the infrastructure and the schools
• 37:26
  Speaker 4: and the roads and so on. Now it would be
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: sensible to have that discussion, but I'm not sure that's
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: what he's talking about.
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  Speaker 3: He's basically saying that if the Liberal Party is perceived
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: by migrants to be anti multiculturalism or anti immigration, it
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: will never win an election. And that is the fact.
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: That is just a mathematical fact. You can argue about it.
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  Speaker 3: So the cows come home, but it is what happened
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  Speaker 3: at the last election, and by the Liberal Party.
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  Speaker 4: Joe, they've been servo showing that a lot of people
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  Speaker 4: who are really against excessive immigration are the recent migrants.
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  Speaker 4: They get here, they're having a good life. They don't
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  Speaker 4: want their good life understrained because larger numbers of people.
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  Speaker 3: Look at how communities voted the last election. They turned
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: right against the coalition. But the last election when community
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: did yeah no, and people were circulating that stuff and
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: they were saying that there are people who say that
• 38:16
  Speaker 3: multiculturalism doesn't work. There are heaps of people who say
• 38:18
  Speaker 3: it all the time. On the right. You had those
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: March for Australia rallies that were seen by the migrant
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: community as deliberately targeting them and Indians especially, and they
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: have all flocked away from the coalition and that is
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: just a f And again there's notice enough mine.
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  Speaker 4: There is a sensible debate that's been going on for
• 38:34
  Speaker 4: some time and is coming to a head because of
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: the Abanizi government promised to reduce mass immigration, haven't done it.
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  Speaker 1: Dick Smith has been campaigning for years.
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  Speaker 4: We do not have an intelligence coherent immigration policy. There
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: needs to be a proper immigration policy that says this
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  Speaker 4: is how many we can absorb.
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  Speaker 3: There's all about It's about skilled migration. It's about do
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: we we have a skilled shortages, so we need to
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: bring in people to fill those shortages. That's why we've
• 38:58
  Speaker 3: got a manufacturing crisis. Is why we've got a housing crisis.
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  Speaker 3: That's why we've got an age care crisis. And that's
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: why we bring those people in. They're not refugees. That's
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: not from the goodness of our own heart. It's because
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  Speaker 3: we need the workers because we're not having any people.
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  Speaker 1: Can't bring them in if we can't support them.
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  Speaker 2: And the reality is when you look at the numbers,
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  Speaker 2: the actual percentage of migrants you are skilled migrants has
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: been dropping and is pretty low now. A lot of
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: family reunions that provide a lot less economic benefit. But
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: also in the Australian Tomorrow, breaking news coming out of
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Victoria State two way women's safety in trans prison strategy.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: What wonderful I hear Victoria's corrections Minister has ordered the
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: state's prison authority to strengthen protections for female inmates, contradicting
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: earlier statements from premiages into Alan, in a move likely
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: to have implications for the transgender pedophile known by the
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: pseudonym Hillary Maloney. The Australian revealed this month that Maloney,
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: whose five year old daughter was his victim, had received
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: a minimum sentence of two and a half years for
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: production of thirteen videos and sixty four images involving a
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: verie if sex acts with young girl. So pretty horrific
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: circumstances in that case. But you know, wow, what a
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: radical idea that they would consider women's safety when talking
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: about women's prisons.
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  Speaker 3: That I'd only get two and a half years in
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: the first place.
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  Speaker 1: Which is unfair.
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  Speaker 4: But the answer is put him in solitary confinement for
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: the entire duration of his prison sentence. That would make
• 40:21
  Speaker 4: it a bit tougher from him, and he got a
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: really soft sentence.
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: It would keep the women perfectly safe.
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or chemical castration. I think that's the other thing
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: we should be looking at in israa frustration custration, surgical
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: castration surgeon interesting idea there. Also in The Australian Tomorrow,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: Joe's mate Bill Shorten shortened Pan's Uni echo chambers. Former
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: labor and union leader Bill Shorten has used his university
• 40:45
  Speaker 2: vice chancellorship to condemn extremist echo chambers and identity politics
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: in academia, calling for conservative voices to be heard. The
• 40:54
  Speaker 2: University of Canberra vice chancellor said universities should be a
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: safe space for disagreement. I want universe seems to be
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: a safe place not just for progressive ideas, but for
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: conservative and progressive ideas to be contested. He told The Australian. Wow,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: that's actually pretty good and a very refreshing thing to
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: hear from a vice chancellor.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah. Absolutely. And obviously last night in the previous front
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: page of The Australia and we saw Deacon University's they
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: say come and say something similar. I think I mentioned
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: that you'd see other smaller universities doing this, precisely because
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: Bill privately told me, which is why I didn't say
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: who it was, that this is exactly what he wanted
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: to do, and I just went all my sign apses
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: were firing. I thought, this is absolutely fantastic. Is exactly
• 41:37
  Speaker 3: what the university sector needs right.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: It's a bit of a trend, isn't it. Well.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: I think this will actually be a good business model
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: for them as well, because there's been a surge in
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: attendance at anti woke universities in the US because students
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: don't want to be in these radical, extreme environments in Doctrin.
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: Let's stay with the education because the Herald Son in
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: Melbourne has got a big headline on its front page
• 41:58
  Speaker 4: tomorrow saying Screensaver, and the story tells us that Victorian
• 42:02
  Speaker 4: primary school students will see their screen time slashed to
• 42:05
  Speaker 4: a maximum of ninety minutes a day in the classroom
• 42:08
  Speaker 4: and parents will no longer be forced to fork out
• 42:10
  Speaker 4: for the laptops. The Education and Transformation will be unveiled
• 42:14
  Speaker 4: in the state government today that will tomorrow, aiming to
• 42:18
  Speaker 4: take kids back to traditional learning by cutting reliance on technology,
• 42:22
  Speaker 4: and the schools will provide the laptops. The interesting thing
• 42:25
  Speaker 4: about this pray is there have been some studies showing
• 42:28
  Speaker 4: that education and learning happens in a relationship and that
• 42:32
  Speaker 4: learning off screens is a bit of an illusion.
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: Some things are learnt off.
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: Screens, but much less than you when you have a
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: person in front of you actually talking to you. They
• 42:42
  Speaker 4: discovered how little people learn from screens, and this will
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: horrify some people. When they tested people who'd seen the
• 42:49
  Speaker 4: nightly news on a commercial television program the night before,
• 42:53
  Speaker 4: most people had a difficulty remembering one of the stories,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: and no one could remember more than three of the stories.
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: Television doesn't communicate in the way face to face people communicate.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's absolutely true, and they've done studies on this,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: and all the best teaching results come from direct instruction,
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: direct engagement. They've even done there was a TV show
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: called School Revolution by a god I've spoken to for
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: various stuff we've done with education, but where you actually
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: map out the amount of time that the teacher spends
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: talking and the amount of time the students spend talking,
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: and that has a direct correlation to how much the
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: students actually learn and retain information. So if they're interacting more,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: they learn more and they retain more and they get
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: better receiects.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: And also how much time is wasted with students on
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: these laptops doing everything.
• 43:42
  Speaker 3: But school know how to do it. They come home,
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: they figured out how to play roadblocks there in the chat.
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: No matter what lockdown browsers you have, your kids are
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: probably finding a way around them. So I just think, yeah,
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: the fad of having technology in every classroom from a
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: super young age, I just don't think the evidence is
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: there to say that's beneficial in the later years. Yes,
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: I can see how that's good, but it's good to
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: see that being well man, that's great, fantastic.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: Who would have thought the Victorian government doing something good?
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Good ten years too late?
• 44:13
  Speaker 3: And now finally forget all those stories, forget you know,
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: the war in the Middle East, forget the war in Ukraine,
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: forget the future of our children. Finally we get to
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: the stories that really matter, and that is what the
• 44:24
  Speaker 3: hell is going on with Townsville mayor Troy Thompson. Well,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: there's been a blockbuster up that you know. I'm obsessed
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: with this guy right now. This is the Townsville mayor
• 44:33
  Speaker 3: who was like put on some weird eternal secondment where
• 44:37
  Speaker 3: he was still being paid for being may and still
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: insisted that he was the mayor even though everyone else
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: said no, you're not the mayor. He said, yes, I am, Yes,
• 44:43
  Speaker 3: I am you don't know me. I don't know anyway.
• 44:46
  Speaker 3: Turns out he's not the mayor anymore. He's now the
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: former mayor and the Troy CCS. I love how they
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: call him Troy because everyone's known him. He's been around
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: so long, everyone knows him Troy. CCC report finally ready,
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: says Kate and Charles. The Crime and Corruption Commissioners finalized
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: its investigation into former Townsville Mayor Troy Thompson, with a
• 45:06
  Speaker 3: draft public report now in preparation. However, the CCC reblains
• 45:11
  Speaker 3: tightlift on whether the findings will be released, despite acknowledging
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: significant public interest. Wellnificant public interest. That's exactly why it
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: shouldn't be released, and no good could possibly come of that.
• 45:22
  Speaker 3: The potential the release of the report set against the
• 45:25
  Speaker 3: backdrop of the upcoming Townsville mayor or by election, So
• 45:30
  Speaker 3: even though he's no longer the mayor, they don't know
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: who the new mayor is because they have to elect
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: the mayor separately.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Thompson deserves his own reality TV he does.
• 45:39
  Speaker 3: I think he deserves to be mayor. I mean, this
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: is a guy who knows how to fight not for
• 45:42
  Speaker 3: his constituents, but for himself.
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: Definitely, maybe not. And that's all for now. Coming up
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: after the break, we're going to tell you about the
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: London schools that have banned parents from watching their own
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: kids play sport. Coming up after the break, welcome back
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: to the program. Well, there's been a lot of speculation
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: this week about whether Trump will get the Nobel Peace Prize.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: But tell us Kel, there's been a development in that story.
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: He didn't get it.
• 46:09
  Speaker 4: Of course, it went to Maria what's her name, Maria
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: Corena Machado from Venezuela.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: Maria what's her name is what everyone's calling her.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: I got it right in the end, give me three chances,
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: and she deserves it.
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: She's been very heroic.
• 46:22
  Speaker 4: And nominations closed in the thirty first of January, so
• 46:25
  Speaker 4: it was too late for Trump. But Roger Stone is
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: an old Trump associate and advisor, and he was on
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: a podcast and he's calling on dear old Maria Corina
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: Machado to give it back so that it comes to Trump.
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: You think we do serious things on the late debate.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: This is very silly. This is as silly as a
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: suggestion can get. She can't give it back. It's not
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: her decision. The Nobel Committee gave it to her. They
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: give you the Nobel Priest p here it is back again.
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: I just like it because it's just a silly suggestion.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he can still get it next year. And
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: I think it's kind of sad for Maria because it
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: does devalue her contribution, which in our own right has
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: been amazing.
• 47:06
  Speaker 3: I just love the fact that everyone on the left
• 47:08
  Speaker 3: of hat style and Trump's going, oh, it's like at
• 47:10
  Speaker 3: a Venezuelan human rights activisty got it, not you, you know,
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: as if they're like always been incredibly vocal supporters of Maria,
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: just like me. Then it turns out that Maria Chada
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: is like this massive pro trups. Anyway, it's so good.
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: It's fantastic something.
• 47:27
  Speaker 8: Now.
• 47:27
  Speaker 3: Another thing that's so good is violent and abusive behavior
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: by parents on the sports field, because that is exactly
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: what's happened. Parents have been banned from a London school
• 47:36
  Speaker 3: sports over bad behavior. They've been banned from attending their
• 47:40
  Speaker 3: children's sporting events in a London burrow. The Murten School
• 47:44
  Speaker 3: Sport Partnership runs sporting and physical education events across more
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: than forty primary schools in the Southwest London borough areas
• 47:52
  Speaker 3: including Wimbledon and Morden. So bit lucky darmind, Yeah, you
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: know it's the who Ray Henrys who are doing it,
• 47:58
  Speaker 3: and they've sided too many can discerning behaviors to be
• 48:01
  Speaker 3: able to continue to accommodate spectators. So they're not even
• 48:04
  Speaker 3: allowed rock up to their kids' sport because these rich
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: tofts can't be trusted to keep their pants on when
• 48:11
  Speaker 3: the temperature gets right.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: That is so bad, so so bad. For something else
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: that's really terrible is Anthony Albanisi and a whole bunch
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: of world leaders have had their private phone numbers leaked
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: on the Internet by an AI scraping software somehow track
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: down their phone numbers, so Joe. That leaves us with
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: the question, what would you text Anthony alban Easy?
• 48:34
  Speaker 3: Tang on. Sorry, I'm just sorr. I just got to
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: text it. Don't worry about it, mate, you're doing a
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: great job. Screw then.
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: And Kel what would your text be?
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: One word? One word?
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: Resign, can't say it better than that, Kel. Mine would
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: probably be see you later. But that's three words and
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: that's all we have for you tonight. Thank you so
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: much for tuning into the late debate coming up after
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: the break is the Reader Panay Show.