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Prince Andrew Forks Over 16 Million in Sex Attack Suit · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Bob Show in the case against Prince Andrew, the Prince
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Speaker 1: to the Throne of England. Amazing. Take a listen right
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Speaker 1: now to our friends at CBS. Well, Prince Andrew has
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Speaker 1: reached a settlement with a woman who accused him of
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Speaker 1: sexually abusing her when she was a teenager. Virginia Dufray
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Speaker 1: brought the civil suit against the Duke of York. She
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Speaker 1: says Jeffrey Epstein trafficked her in the early two thousands
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Speaker 1: and Prince Andrew raped her several times as a miner.
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Speaker 1: And a new statement, the Duke of York says he
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Speaker 1: regrets his association with the Epstein with Epstein and commends
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Speaker 1: the bravery of Miss Duffrey and other survivors. More on this,
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Speaker 1: let's bring in Jessica Levinson. She's a CBS News legal contributor.
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Speaker 1: I explained the significance of reaching a settlement in this lawsuit.
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Speaker 1: Does this mean that Prince Andrew does not have to
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Speaker 1: claim guilt or innocence in this case? He's sort of
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Speaker 1: off the hook publicly, as it were, Well, I think
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Speaker 1: publicly he's very much on the hook because this has
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Speaker 1: already caused some great damage to his reputation, but damage
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Speaker 1: to his reputation is that all they can think about,
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Speaker 1: damage to the Prince's reputation when, according to this young
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Speaker 1: girl and millions of dollars to back it up, she
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Speaker 1: was under the law raped by Prince Andrew. A child
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Speaker 1: at that age cannot give consent. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut A seven A seven from Netflix Filthy Rich.
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Speaker 1: I first met Prince Andrew March tenth, two thousand and
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Speaker 1: one in London at Gillen's townhouse. He knocked on the door.
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Speaker 1: He came inside Gillen's townhouse and we're sitting there having tea.
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Speaker 1: Ellen has his favorite guessing game that she does. She
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Speaker 1: goes to Prince Andrew how old do you think Virginia is?
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Speaker 1: And he said seventeen and she's like, oh, you're right,
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Speaker 1: and you know they've made a little joke about it.
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Speaker 1: He's like, oh, my daughters aren't far from your age.
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Speaker 1: You know, my daughter's a little bit younger than you.
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Speaker 1: We went out for the night club Tramp in London
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Speaker 1: and he dances and he's profusely sweating over me and
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Speaker 1: it was disgusting. Well, it didn't end there, according to her,
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Speaker 1: And again with millions of dollars worked over it in
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Speaker 1: the last twenty four hours by Prince Andrew two. He's
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Speaker 1: young accuser. Take a listen to our cut a eight
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Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts listen. It ended with sexual abuse and intercourse
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Speaker 1: and then a pat on the back. You've done a
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Speaker 1: really good job, like you know, thank you very much,
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Speaker 1: and here's two hundred dollars. You know, before you know it,
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Speaker 1: I'm being went out to politicians, to academics and to
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Speaker 1: people that your royalty and people that you just you
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Speaker 1: would never think, like, how did you get into that
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Speaker 1: position of power in the first place if you're this disgusting, evil,
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Speaker 1: decrepit person on the inside when you hear her talking,
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Speaker 1: and you combine it with a multi million dollar payout?
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Speaker 1: What was it ten sixteen million? I'm not sure, but
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Speaker 1: I know who does know. Charlie Lankson, female editor at
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Speaker 1: Dailymail dot com. Charlie, how much is a settlement? Folve
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Speaker 1: million pounds we believe, which is around sixteen million dollars.
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Speaker 1: I think now a portion of that will go to
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Speaker 1: Virginia Geoffrey's charity, but the bulk of it will go
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Speaker 1: to her. With me an all star panel First of all,
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Speaker 1: I mean it, see Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us here at Fox Nation in
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Speaker 1: series XM one eleven. Is this the end of the story.
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Speaker 1: I'd like to say yes, but probably not. You think
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Speaker 1: this is the first time Prince Andrew has had sex
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Speaker 1: with a young girl, do you? I'm not so sure
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Speaker 1: about that. Will others now come out of the woodwork
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Speaker 1: Also with us, Jessica Pride, sex assault attorney with the
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Speaker 1: Pride Law Firm. You can find her at Victim Lawyer
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Speaker 1: dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall's psychoanalysts to the stars, joining
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Speaker 1: us out of Beverly Hills at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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Speaker 1: She's a star of a new Netflix hit, Bleeding Empire.
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Speaker 1: Greg Scheffer, former Phoenix Police Department detective twenty two years
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Speaker 1: specializing and sex exploitation of children. Charlie Lankson. I didn't
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Speaker 1: think it would end this quickly, especially when Prince Andrew's
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Speaker 1: illegal team came out guns ablazing, claiming that the victim
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Speaker 1: in this case was what did he say, money grabbing
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Speaker 1: sex kitten? Who says sex kitten? I have her? That's
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Speaker 1: it's maybe Austen Powers or the Avengers. You remember that,
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, one of them was a brit too, if
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Speaker 1: not all of them. So a sex kitten, a money
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Speaker 1: grubbing sex kitten. Was that what he said it was?
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Speaker 1: And to be completely honest, I was surprised to see
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Speaker 1: how quickly this case came to an end, because I
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Speaker 1: really did think that Virginia was going to fight for
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Speaker 1: her day in court. However, I think that it's come
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Speaker 1: to an end this quickly for a number of reasons.
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Speaker 1: First and foremost, Andrew was under enormous pressure from the
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Speaker 1: Palace to bring this to a close before the Queen's
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Speaker 1: Platinum Jubilee. At the rate that it was going, this
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Speaker 1: was going to drag out as a dark cloud over
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Speaker 1: all of those celebrations this spring. Additionally, I think it
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Speaker 1: was very clear that if Andrew was going to testify
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Speaker 1: in front of a jury, it was not going to
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Speaker 1: be a good thing for him. We all saw what
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Speaker 1: happened when he did that twenty nineteen interview where he
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Speaker 1: denied that he was able to sweat where he was
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Speaker 1: talking about travel clothes, and I think had he got
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Speaker 1: up in front of a jury, it could have potentially
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Speaker 1: been even more embarrassing for him and brought even more
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Speaker 1: scandal on the royal family, which is not something that
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Speaker 1: they need right now. Yes, he is terrible on camera, terrible,
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Speaker 1: would be terrible under oath. Not likable in the least,
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Speaker 1: not likable at all. People like Prince William, people liked Diana,
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Speaker 1: people like Eugenie and Beatrice, or at least I think
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Speaker 1: they do. There's something about Andrew and Charles is just reptilian.
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Speaker 1: There's just something about them. I wouldn't be surprised at
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Speaker 1: all if they unzipped their face and there was a
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Speaker 1: big lizard under there. Not surprised at all. Now, Hey, Jackie,
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Speaker 1: while I play cut one from Jackie Long Channel for News,
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Speaker 1: I want you to dig up Andrew and that horrible
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Speaker 1: they call. I want a train wreck interview. Who told
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Speaker 1: him to do that was such a bad idea? I
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Speaker 1: can tell you this is why he settled, because he's
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Speaker 1: terrible under pressure. But first of I'll take a list,
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Speaker 1: an arrow cut one Jacque Long. I have no recollection
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Speaker 1: of ever meeting this lady, Virginia Giffrey as a woman.
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Speaker 1: Prince Andrew has always insisted he did not know. I
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Speaker 1: can absolutely categorically tell you it never happened. He is
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Speaker 1: consistently denied sexually abusing her when she was under eighteen. Today,
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Speaker 1: in a document submitted to an American court, it was
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Speaker 1: revealed the Duke of York has reached an out of
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Speaker 1: court settlement with miss Giffrey, just weeks before he was
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Speaker 1: due to answer questions under oath in her civil case
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Speaker 1: against him. She had always claimed she was forced to
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Speaker 1: have sex with the Duke by the billionaire Jeffrey Epstein
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Speaker 1: and his girlfriend Gallaine Maxwell. The sum of money involved
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Speaker 1: in the settlement was not disclosed, and there was no
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Speaker 1: admission of any wrongdoing. Right did he have to admit
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Speaker 1: he did it? He paid sixteen million dollars and I
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Speaker 1: can gear and damn tee you mommy is footing that bill.
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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Queen of England, who I love,
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Speaker 1: love her. The fury at Andrew right now for forcing
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Speaker 1: the Queen age ninety five to bail on him out
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Speaker 1: yet again with me and all star panelists I mentioned before,
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Speaker 1: Jessica probably sex assault lawyer at the Pride Firm. You know, Jessica,
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Speaker 1: You've tried plenty of cases, as have I. And the
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Speaker 1: long story short is it always comes down to the wire.
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Speaker 1: When the defendant sees the jurors filing into the courtroom,
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Speaker 1: sixty two one hundred of them, and you're about to
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Speaker 1: strike that jury. Suddenly they start sweating, they have to
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Speaker 1: go to the bathroom, and they enter a plee. That's
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Speaker 1: what happens. And here it is just a few days
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Speaker 1: before Andrew has to sit down under oath and answer questions.
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Speaker 1: You got a settlement? Why is it always that way?
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Speaker 1: Are they trying to play a game of chicken with
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Speaker 1: each other? He's gonna blink first. I think they thought,
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Speaker 1: maybe that the New York Court wasn't going to force
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Speaker 1: they were going to dismiss the case. And he was hoping,
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Speaker 1: you'd get out of a technicality, his lawyers would be
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Speaker 1: able to save him, and they weren't able to. And
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Speaker 1: because he was forced to actually have to sit for
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Speaker 1: a deposition. You saw it in the interview. He's terrible.
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Speaker 1: I would have loved to have had him across the
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Speaker 1: table asking him questions in a deposition. Oh, I couldn't
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Speaker 1: wait until his videotape deposition leaked, which of course it would.
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Speaker 1: But what is it? Why do people wait till the
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Speaker 1: last minute? Oh? Oh, wait a minute, you said something
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Speaker 1: really about that jump in. Well, my husband's a judge,
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Speaker 1: and whenever he tells me he's a civil court judge,
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Speaker 1: oh I started a trial tomorrow. I'm always like, no,
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Speaker 1: it's gonna settle. It's gonna settle. It always does. We
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Speaker 1: talk about it over the dinner dinner table. The reasons
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Speaker 1: are complex, but I love your phrase a game of chicken.
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Speaker 1: It's a game of chicken. Which side is going to
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Speaker 1: win out, who's going to have to fag her settlement?
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Speaker 1: And in terms of Prince Andrew, this is a game
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Speaker 1: of chicken played out on an international stage. I mean
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Speaker 1: you have Virginia Roberts Jeffries, who was once a victim,
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Speaker 1: but she is fierce, she is to be just a
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Speaker 1: force to be reckoned with. And you have Prince Andrew,
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Speaker 1: who do you know this is not a clinical term,
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Speaker 1: but he's a buffoon. I hate to say it. I've
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Speaker 1: been trying to analyze it for the last three hours
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Speaker 1: in preparation for this show. I listened to his interview
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Speaker 1: again and I'm thinking, what is wrong with him? If
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Speaker 1: he were in my office and a psychoanalyst, how would
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Speaker 1: how would I diagnose him? I mean, there's a sort
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Speaker 1: of entire, a spoiled brat borrow in the silver spin
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Speaker 1: in his mouth. Charlie Langston, did you just hear everything
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Speaker 1: Dr Bethany Meshels Marshall said, and Jessica pride because Jessica
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Speaker 1: says something very interesting now that you aren't interesting to
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Speaker 1: Bethany because you always are. But Charlie, he was surprised
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Speaker 1: a US court didn't throw Virginia's case out. Virginia gr
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Speaker 1: phrase case. We don't care if he's the Prince of England.
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Speaker 1: There would be h double l to pay if a
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Speaker 1: judge here in the States throw that case out with
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Speaker 1: the US victim. No way was that going to happen.
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Speaker 1: There was absolutely no where it was going to happen.
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Speaker 1: And I think when he made that kind of desperate
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Speaker 1: attempt to have the case thrown out, I don't believe
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Speaker 1: that anyone really expected a judge to go through with it.
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Speaker 1: But you know, on the one hand, we do have
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Speaker 1: to appreciate that his legal team was going to do
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Speaker 1: everything that they possibly could in order to try and
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Speaker 1: prove that Virginia is lying. Now, I think the timing
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Speaker 1: of this kind of settlement is very interesting, and I
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Speaker 1: think the reason that it's happened when it has is
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Speaker 1: because the Palace aka the Queen, really put her foot
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Speaker 1: down and said, there is absolutely no way that you
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Speaker 1: can take part in this deposition. We do not know
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Speaker 1: what they are going to ask you. They have every
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Speaker 1: right to ask you all manner of personal questions about
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Speaker 1: your sex life, about what your body looks like when
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Speaker 1: you're naked, all of this kind of Okay, gusta, wait
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Speaker 1: a minute, why did you put that in my head?
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Speaker 1: I've gone through this whole case without thinking about Prince
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Speaker 1: Andrew naked, and now you just put that in my
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Speaker 1: head and I've saw it. It's there forever ingrained in
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Speaker 1: my brain because of you. Charlie Langston Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Greg Scheffer, former Phoenix Police Department detective twenty
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Speaker 1: two years specializing in exactly this kind of case. Greg,
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Speaker 1: the thing is, when a person is charged with a crime,
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Speaker 1: they can take the Fifth Amendment. They don't have to
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Speaker 1: testify or even give any statement at all that could
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Speaker 1: hurt themselves. But this was a civil case and there
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Speaker 1: is not going to be a criminal case because the
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Speaker 1: statute of limitations has passed, so he cannot possibly take
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Speaker 1: the Fifth Amendment. They could ask Prince Andrew everything from
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Speaker 1: does he wear a G string? To boxers? They could
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Speaker 1: ask him is he into nipple clips or girls dressing
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Speaker 1: up like schoolgirls? They could ask him anything, and he
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Speaker 1: would sit there on the hot seat wondering what do
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Speaker 1: they know? What do they know? Yeahl was there during
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Speaker 1: those parties and events, and if he lied on any
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Speaker 1: of these questions, it would be perjury because he'd be
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Speaker 1: under oath. Think about it, Greg Scheffer, Yeah, that's well.
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Speaker 1: I think that's probably why the Queen put the pressure
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Speaker 1: on him. Once they realized the case was going to
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Speaker 1: go forward. They're like, this has to stop. Man, you're
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Speaker 1: not kidding. They would get into his history, and they
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Speaker 1: could get in you know, when they're up in that
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Speaker 1: upper echelon royalty and billionaires, you know, they get whatever
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Speaker 1: they want. They're in a position to they have all
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Speaker 1: their wants are met, and so he has been living
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Speaker 1: this lifestyle for decades and so they didn't want that
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Speaker 1: all to come out in a deposition, which it would have,
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Speaker 1: and he's a train wreck. That deposition would have been
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Speaker 1: a you know, a lawyer's dream. Oh a field day,
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Speaker 1: a field day, Oh, how I would love to question him.
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Speaker 1: I could see myself running up and down a football
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Speaker 1: field with stacks of questions in my hands. Oh just
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Speaker 1: I would be thrilled across him and the other thing. Charlie,
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Speaker 1: So did you hear what Greg shefferd just said. As royalty,
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Speaker 1: all of his needs were met, all of his wants
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Speaker 1: were met. It's what Sheffer said. In the past few weeks,
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Speaker 1: more and more about Andrew has been coming out, including
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Speaker 1: how he braided at least one maid, someone on the
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Speaker 1: domestic staff at the palace because she miss placed a
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Speaker 1: pyramid a little stuffed toys that sit on his bed stuffies.
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Speaker 1: I don't mean she lost him. She put one up
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Speaker 1: there out of order. They have to sit in a
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Speaker 1: certain way. And they even had a little diagram for
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Speaker 1: the maid as to where to put the teddy and
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Speaker 1: where to put the giraffe. Seriously, yeah, this is a
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Speaker 1: grown man. Well, and I think the thing is is
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Speaker 1: that you know the way that the royal family works.
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Speaker 1: If you always have the oldest child of a generation
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Speaker 1: who is going to sit on the throat, you've got
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Speaker 1: the air and the spare exactly. And the thing is
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Speaker 1: is that the spare is always kind of treated with
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Speaker 1: kid gloves, because there is always this resentment that builds
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Speaker 1: up between the air and the spare. We've also seen
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Speaker 1: it with Prince Harry. Now, Prince Harry has obviously behaved right.
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Speaker 1: Harry has behaved in a very different way. But Harry
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Speaker 1: really has thrown his toys out of the pram. Every
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Speaker 1: time I see Harry giving a statement, I put him
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Speaker 1: on mute because it's going to be more poor, poor,
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Speaker 1: pitiful me in my sixteen million dollars Montecito mansion. I
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Speaker 1: have it so bad, seriously, shut up, go get a job. Stop.
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Speaker 1: It's exactly the same. It's exactly the same with Prince Andrew.
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Speaker 1: You know, what we've seen is that he has been
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Speaker 1: treated so delicately because you know, Lord forbids that they
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Speaker 1: do anything to cause him any more damage than being
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Speaker 1: the spare Air might already have done. And this has
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Speaker 1: basically created a scenario where Andrew felt as though he
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Speaker 1: did not have to wait a minute. Charlie Langston calling pot,
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Speaker 1: calling the kettle black, Wait a minute. The other one
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Speaker 1: is Edward correct Edward, yes, yes, he and his wife Sophie,
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Speaker 1: they actually have jobs, do they not. They're normal and
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Speaker 1: you never hear them whining and carrying on. And apparently
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Speaker 1: Sophie has been a huge comfort to the Queen in
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Speaker 1: her later years. You never hear scandal running around, nothing
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Speaker 1: like that, but I do wid about this. Oh sorry, Bethanye,
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Speaker 1: could we stop? You? Can we stop her? No way?
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Speaker 1: Go ahead? And ye wait. And then there's the daughter,
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Speaker 1: is it Mark? And you never hear anything bad about her.
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Speaker 1: She's just you know, they go to work. They work
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Speaker 1: like three hundred plus engagements a year, if not more.
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Speaker 1: That's working every day, nose to the grindstone. Their reputation pristaine.
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Speaker 1: So those two royals have turned out beautifully and I'm
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Speaker 1: sure are a big inspiration to the British people. Okay,
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Speaker 1: doctor beth at Marshall jumping, I can't wait to hear this. Okay. Well,
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Speaker 1: just from a family psychology perspective, in most families, and
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Speaker 1: research supports this, there is at least one bad egg,
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Speaker 1: one person who's pathological, and usually what happens is that
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Speaker 1: they're under under employed, they're entitled, and they almost always
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Speaker 1: get the elderly parents to support their life. So whether
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Speaker 1: it's in a royal setting or you know, in Atlanta,
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Speaker 1: Georgia or some small town in the Midwest. You know,
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Speaker 1: think about all the families. You know, there's always a
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Speaker 1: bad egg, and there's always someone stopping off the parents.
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Speaker 1: You know. I've got two people in the studio right
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Speaker 1: now and they're both shaking their heads. Yes, you're can
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Speaker 1: hear what we're saying. Yeah, everybody's shaking their heads. Yes,
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Speaker 1: there's always one rotten apple and all three stuffies. I
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Speaker 1: want to talk about that, all the stuffed animals on
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Speaker 1: his bed. When you look for your listeners, when they
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Speaker 1: have a sort of a crazy person, an entitled person,
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Speaker 1: someone who's a buffoon or sort of a Prince Andrew
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Speaker 1: in their life, you know, you think about what a
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Speaker 1: four or five or six year old is like and
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Speaker 1: you superimpose that into the adult brain. And that is
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Speaker 1: the basis of psychopathology character pathology. So adults who are
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Speaker 1: sort of narcissistic, borderline have personality disorders. They are always
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Speaker 1: sort of colored with the traits of infancy and childhood.
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Speaker 1: So I'm not surprised if he's entitled five year olds are,
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Speaker 1: or that he has stuffies on his bed. Six year
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Speaker 1: olds want that, or that he thought that the world
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Speaker 1: was his candy store and he could just have sex
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Speaker 1: with Virginia as many times as he wanted, because he's
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Speaker 1: an entitled little five year old. Not to let him
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Speaker 1: off the hook as an adult, but impulsivity, wanting gratification,
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Speaker 1: all these character traits are at the core of adults
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Speaker 1: who are pathological. I think are heard great Shepherd jumping
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Speaker 1: in go ahead, well kind of piggyback on that. When
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Speaker 1: I was dealing with investigations, I would you would see
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Speaker 1: the bad apple in every family, and it always seems
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Speaker 1: like the parents that was I'm not going to say favorite,
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Speaker 1: but they would cater to that bad apple. You know,
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Speaker 1: that bad apple could do no wrong, or they'd protect
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Speaker 1: that child more than the other children. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know it's because they knew that that person couldn't survive
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Speaker 1: on their own and they needed to help and the
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Speaker 1: other kids were going to be or were stronger or better.
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Speaker 1: But you always seem like the parents were enabling or
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Speaker 1: supporting that bad apple. And I think in the parents mind, Greg,
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Speaker 1: I believe they think that they're helping they're bad apple,
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Speaker 1: They're helping them avoid drama or conflict in their lives
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Speaker 1: because they innately know that the bad apple can't handle
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Speaker 1: it and will fail or end up in GeV jail
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Speaker 1: at the worst. Guys. We heard earlier, and I believe
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Speaker 1: it was Jessica probably talking about how much she would
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Speaker 1: love to have Prince Andrew on cross examination under oath.
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Speaker 1: And this is one of the reasons why now take
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Speaker 1: a listen to this BBC interview by Emily Maitlis with
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Speaker 1: Prince andrews arc at eight ten. How did you first
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Speaker 1: become friends? How did you meet? Well? I met through
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Speaker 1: his girlfriend back in nineteen ninety nine, who and I'd
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Speaker 1: known her since she was at university in the UK.
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Speaker 1: And it would be to some extent to stretch to
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Speaker 1: say that as it were, we were close friends. When
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Speaker 1: we were friends because of other people, and I had
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Speaker 1: a lot of opportunity to go to the United States,
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Speaker 1: but I didn't have much time with him. I suppose
21:48
Speaker 1: I saw him once or twice a year, perhaps maybe
21:50
Speaker 1: massive number three times a year. And this is after
21:54
Speaker 1: Epstein is charged with prostitution and abusing minors in Flora.
22:00
Speaker 1: He continues his relationship with him, Andrew does, and when
22:04
Speaker 1: he's saying he met Epstein through a friend, he's talking
22:07
Speaker 1: about Gilaine Maxwell. I think i'd be bragging about that either.
22:11
Speaker 1: But wait a minute, wait a minute, take a listen
22:13
Speaker 1: to Arkat a fourteen because during that time, those few days,
22:18
Speaker 1: witnesses say they saw many young girls coming and going
22:22
Speaker 1: at the time, there is video footage of Epstein accompanied
22:26
Speaker 1: by young girls. And you were there staying in his
22:29
Speaker 1: house catching up with friends. I never I mean a minute.
22:34
Speaker 1: If they were, then I wasn't a party to any
22:39
Speaker 1: of that. I never saw them. I mean, you have
22:42
Speaker 1: to have to understand that his house. I described it
22:48
Speaker 1: more as as as almost as a railway station, if
22:51
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, in the sense that there
22:52
Speaker 1: were people coming in and out of that house all
22:55
Speaker 1: the time. What they were doing and why they were
22:58
Speaker 1: there I had nothing to do with. So I'm afraid
23:03
Speaker 1: I can't make any comment on that because I really
23:07
Speaker 1: don't know. Okay, right there, Jessica Pride, who would not
23:13
Speaker 1: be suspicious and concerned with so much to lose your
23:17
Speaker 1: royalty for Pete's sake. You are an heir to the
23:21
Speaker 1: British throne, and you're in a guy's home and you
23:24
Speaker 1: see little girls going in and out and in and out,
23:28
Speaker 1: as he said, like a railway station, and you never
23:31
Speaker 1: wonder why, Yeah, I called bullet. That's what is beautiful
23:35
Speaker 1: about the civil process is there's so much more leeway
23:39
Speaker 1: than in a criminal case to do discovery and look
23:42
Speaker 1: for evidence, finding out the means of every person that
23:45
Speaker 1: was in the house when he was there, getting receipts
23:48
Speaker 1: for any of his travel expenses, trying to really pin
23:52
Speaker 1: down getting his calendar. We would be able to subpoena
23:55
Speaker 1: all of those things, ask him all of those things
23:58
Speaker 1: in deposition, ask him about every person he saw at
24:01
Speaker 1: a party. And so the exposure and the risk of
24:05
Speaker 1: exposure not only to him, to the royal family, but
24:08
Speaker 1: to other men in power that we know were associates
24:13
Speaker 1: of Jeffrey Epstein, it was too great, and that's why
24:17
Speaker 1: he had to settle. People don't realize that ninety nine
24:20
Speaker 1: percent of civil cases settle and actually don't go to trial.
24:24
Speaker 1: Everybody you know talks about, oh, we wanted to see
24:26
Speaker 1: him in court, but the odds of it actually going
24:28
Speaker 1: to a jury were really low. And you know, it's
24:32
Speaker 1: helpful not only for the plainiffs but also for the
24:35
Speaker 1: defendant because you're weighing both risks. When she gives it
24:38
Speaker 1: over to a jury, she would be hoping that twelve
24:40
Speaker 1: jurors got it right. This place. She got to have
24:45
Speaker 1: the power, and she got to make a decision and
24:47
Speaker 1: choose to settle this case. And I don't know any
24:52
Speaker 1: innocent party who's ever paid sixteen million dollars six stay
24:57
Speaker 1: million dollars. Well again, I think I why take a
25:00
Speaker 1: listen to Erica at a sixteen the BBC. I have
25:05
Speaker 1: no recollection of ever meeting her. I'm almost, in fact,
25:10
Speaker 1: I'm convinced that I was never in tramps with her.
25:14
Speaker 1: There are a number of things that are wrong with
25:16
Speaker 1: that story, one of which is that is that I
25:19
Speaker 1: don't know where the bar isn't in tramps. I don't drink.
25:28
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever bought a drink in tramp
25:32
Speaker 1: whenever I was there. Do you remember dancing at tramp? No,
25:38
Speaker 1: that couldn't have happened because the date that there's being suggested,
25:42
Speaker 1: I was at home with the children. Okay, if you
25:46
Speaker 1: will recall Charlie Lankson from dailymail dot com, neither of
25:51
Speaker 1: his children supported that claim. No, And you know, I
25:56
Speaker 1: think there were so many issues with that interview that
25:59
Speaker 1: he did, with the excuses that he made, and I
26:02
Speaker 1: think you know the statement that he issued when they
26:06
Speaker 1: were kind of revealing that they had decided to settle
26:09
Speaker 1: out of court. The one good thing about that statement
26:13
Speaker 1: is that it was the first time that he has
26:15
Speaker 1: ever really acknowledged that his relationship with Epstein was unacceptable.
26:20
Speaker 1: And it's also the first time that he's ever acknowledged
26:24
Speaker 1: that Epstein sex traffic and abused women. It's the first
26:29
Speaker 1: time that he's ever shown any sympathy whatsoever towards Virginia
26:33
Speaker 1: and towards all of Epstein's other victims. And I think
26:37
Speaker 1: that that is a very interesting kind of which for Andrew,
26:42
Speaker 1: because for so long he denied that he knew about
26:45
Speaker 1: any wrongdoing. He denied that he had any knowledge that
26:48
Speaker 1: Epstein was bringing women into his apartment, into his home,
26:52
Speaker 1: and this statement, although it was not a confession of guilt,
26:56
Speaker 1: it was about as close as we have ever come
26:59
Speaker 1: to Andrew admitting that he knew that Epstein was doing
27:03
Speaker 1: terrible things and that Epstein was victimizing these these women,
27:07
Speaker 1: these young girls, during the time that Andrew was friends
27:10
Speaker 1: with him. I fully believe the theory that the reason
27:14
Speaker 1: Andrew hung out with Epstein is for money that Epstein
27:18
Speaker 1: billed him out when Andrew was in need of money,
27:22
Speaker 1: and that he would keep going back to the trough,
27:24
Speaker 1: so to speak. I think this is one of my
27:28
Speaker 1: favorite portions of Sam. One of my favorite statements. Andrew said,
27:32
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut seventeen the BBC. She
27:35
Speaker 1: was very specific about that night. She described dancing with
27:40
Speaker 1: you and you profusely sweating, and that she went on
27:44
Speaker 1: to have possibly a slight problem was with the sweating
27:50
Speaker 1: because I have a peculiar medical condition, which is that
27:57
Speaker 1: I don't sweat, or I didn't sweat at the time,
28:00
Speaker 1: and that was I wishing. Yes, I didn't sweat at
28:04
Speaker 1: the time, because I had suffered what I would describe
28:09
Speaker 1: as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falcons War when
28:11
Speaker 1: I was shot at, and I simply it was it
28:16
Speaker 1: was almost impossible for me to sweat. And it's only
28:20
Speaker 1: because I have done a number of things in the
28:22
Speaker 1: recent past that I'm starting to be able to do
28:26
Speaker 1: that again. So I'm afraid to say that that that
28:28
Speaker 1: that there's a medical condition that says that I didn't
28:30
Speaker 1: do it. So therefore, I mean, Nancy, can I jump
28:33
Speaker 1: in about that one? Talk about a load of crap?
28:36
Speaker 1: I mean stinking Paul, it's painful. Go ahead, go ahead. Well,
28:43
Speaker 1: well he actually you know, he cites being in the
28:46
Speaker 1: Falcons War, so he kind of working in his war
28:50
Speaker 1: up as a day hero who cannot sweat. It was
28:55
Speaker 1: a great deflection. But um, here's my second favorite cut.
29:00
Speaker 1: Twenty one plays a twenty one. So why would somebody
29:03
Speaker 1: have put in another hand? You think it is you
29:06
Speaker 1: next to her in the photo, but it's definitely mean
29:10
Speaker 1: that's a picture of me. It's not a picture of
29:12
Speaker 1: I don't believe it's a picture of me in London
29:14
Speaker 1: because when I would go out, when I go out
29:16
Speaker 1: in London, I wear a suit and a tie. That's
29:21
Speaker 1: what I would just grabe as. Those are my traveling
29:23
Speaker 1: clothes if I'm going to go, if I'm going overseas.
29:26
Speaker 1: So there's a I've got plenty of photographs of me
29:30
Speaker 1: a dressed in those sorts of that sort of kit.
29:34
Speaker 1: But not there to doctor Bethany Marshaw to suggest to
29:38
Speaker 1: a jury that you have a different set of clothes
29:43
Speaker 1: just to travel in. How offputting is that to people
29:48
Speaker 1: that are living month to month? I know it's so
29:50
Speaker 1: tone deaf. I mean, he really is in his own world,
29:53
Speaker 1: really walled off in his own castle. But it shows
29:56
Speaker 1: a profound lack of empathy. And don't you think that
29:59
Speaker 1: would go hand in hand with being a sex predator.
30:02
Speaker 1: I mean, it shouldn't surprise us at all, And you don't, Nancy,
30:05
Speaker 1: when little kids lie, you know how they lie in
30:07
Speaker 1: really obvious ways. You know, oh, Mom, I didn't eat
30:10
Speaker 1: that cookie, but the cookie is. You know that the
30:12
Speaker 1: chocolate is dripping off the corner of their mouths. You know,
30:16
Speaker 1: Andrew kind of life in that way, which goes back
30:19
Speaker 1: to my original theory that he's really kind of childlike
30:23
Speaker 1: in his personality disorder. He doesn't he doesn't see in
30:27
Speaker 1: us what we see in him, which is what we
30:31
Speaker 1: see in disturbed adults. They do not know how they
30:33
Speaker 1: come across to the people around them. They are tone deaf.
30:37
Speaker 1: Future Word Time Stories with Nancy Grace, Charlie Lanks and
30:54
Speaker 1: joining us from Daily Mail. Charlie. How critical was a
30:59
Speaker 1: single photo in the process that ends in a sixty
31:03
Speaker 1: million dollars settlement paid by Prince Andrew, the Prince of Wales,
31:09
Speaker 1: to Virginia Drefrey. I mean, the photograph was essential because
31:13
Speaker 1: it was really the only evidence that she had to
31:19
Speaker 1: prove that she had been with Prince Andrew, and that
31:23
Speaker 1: she had been with Prince Andrew in gui Layne Maxwell's house.
31:27
Speaker 1: This was the only photograph that we've ever seen of
31:29
Speaker 1: the two of them together, and that's why so much
31:33
Speaker 1: attention was paid. You know, in any normal kind of
31:36
Speaker 1: court case, I think to kind of spend years of
31:40
Speaker 1: time going over and over whether a photograph is legitimate,
31:44
Speaker 1: whether it's been edited. That's not something that you would
31:47
Speaker 1: really see happen. But this photograph was really the only
31:50
Speaker 1: thing that Virginia had that was physical proof that she
31:53
Speaker 1: had been with Prince Andrew in Gilaye Maxwell's house. Now,
31:57
Speaker 1: all of this talk about traveling clothes and on and
32:00
Speaker 1: so forth, I just think it's totally ludicrous. And the
32:03
Speaker 1: way that I kind of interpreted that as a member
32:06
Speaker 1: of the public is here is someone desperately trying to
32:11
Speaker 1: remove this photo from being such a big piece of
32:15
Speaker 1: key interest because he knew that if this photo was
32:19
Speaker 1: ever proven to be legitimate, or if this photo was
32:22
Speaker 1: ever kind of proven to be falsely edited, that would
32:26
Speaker 1: sway the case one way or another. Now Daily Mail
32:30
Speaker 1: actually got an exclusive email exchange between Gilayne Maxwell and
32:35
Speaker 1: her lawyer Alan Dershwitz, in which he asked her does
32:39
Speaker 1: this photo seem real to you? You are in the background,
32:42
Speaker 1: and she replied and said it appears real to me.
32:46
Speaker 1: I think it is. And you know, obviously this email
32:50
Speaker 1: exchange has only come to light since we've heard that
32:53
Speaker 1: the court case will be settled, But I think that
32:57
Speaker 1: would have been a huge bombshell for Prince Andrew's case.
33:01
Speaker 1: I think that could have really threatened to destroy any
33:05
Speaker 1: hope he had of proving that this photo was not legitimate.
33:09
Speaker 1: And the only way that could have been brought into
33:11
Speaker 1: evidence at trial is to have Delaine Maxwell take the stand,
33:16
Speaker 1: which could be done under the law, and if she
33:19
Speaker 1: refused to testify or lied about it, what she said
33:22
Speaker 1: in the email to Dershowitz would have been brought in
33:25
Speaker 1: as a quote inconsistent statement, so that would have come
33:30
Speaker 1: into evidence because she is a principal, she is in
33:34
Speaker 1: the picture. Take a listen to what Andrew says about
33:38
Speaker 1: the photo and aricat eight nineteen BBC. Do you recognize yourself?
33:44
Speaker 1: And it is pretty difficult not to recognize yourself. Your
33:48
Speaker 1: friend suggested that the photo is fake. I think it's
33:53
Speaker 1: from the investigations that we've done. You can't prove whether
33:58
Speaker 1: or not that photograph is faked or not because it
34:02
Speaker 1: is a photograph of a photograph of a photograph, so
34:05
Speaker 1: it's very difficult to be able to prove it. But
34:11
Speaker 1: I don't remember that photograph ever being taken. But it's
34:13
Speaker 1: possible that it was you. That's me, but whether that's
34:18
Speaker 1: my hand or whether that's the position, but I don't.
34:23
Speaker 1: I have simply no recollection of a photograph ever being taken.
34:28
Speaker 1: So Greg Cheffer or he says it's me, but I'm
34:31
Speaker 1: not convinced it's my hand. It's it's not a hard
34:34
Speaker 1: question if that's not you in that photograph and it
34:37
Speaker 1: didn't happen, you just know that photograph never happened. I
34:41
Speaker 1: wasn't there with her. But obviously he danced around it
34:44
Speaker 1: because you know he's stalling for time to come up
34:47
Speaker 1: with a good response to that question, and then you
34:51
Speaker 1: know his semi denial of a photograph of a photograph.
34:55
Speaker 1: It's all how those type of predators dance around questions
34:59
Speaker 1: and try to w nationalized things and distract from the truth.
35:04
Speaker 1: And I just think that he's lived in a world
35:06
Speaker 1: of entitlement and so he's not used to get being
35:09
Speaker 1: called out on the carpet, and he's used together. That's
35:12
Speaker 1: why when he lies, you can prove to lie right away,
35:15
Speaker 1: because I think his entire life he's been able to
35:18
Speaker 1: get away with it. No one's ever called him on it.
35:21
Speaker 1: And this finally the Queen dropped the hammer on him
35:24
Speaker 1: and took away you basically took away his life. And
35:27
Speaker 1: that's when he's finally come to terms with everything, and
35:30
Speaker 1: that's why the settlement happened. Charlie Linkston joining us from
35:34
Speaker 1: Daily Mail. He's been on a story from the very
35:36
Speaker 1: very beginning. Just before the settlement is announced, there was
35:40
Speaker 1: a flurry of knees regarding the photo, that the original
35:44
Speaker 1: was quote lost, that Virginatufre I couldn't find the original.
35:49
Speaker 1: What's the truth? Did the photo exist in its original
35:53
Speaker 1: state or not? I mean, I think the photo absolutely
35:56
Speaker 1: existed in its original state at some point. And if
36:00
Speaker 1: Elaine Maxwell herself was saying, oh, yes, this looks real,
36:04
Speaker 1: you know, she might not remember the photo being taken specifically.
36:08
Speaker 1: I don't think I can remember photos of myself that
36:10
Speaker 1: were taken ten plus years ago. But what Delaye's kind
36:14
Speaker 1: of email suggests is that she might not remember the
36:19
Speaker 1: photo being taken specifically, but that means that she likely
36:22
Speaker 1: remembers the time when she was in her home in
36:25
Speaker 1: London with Andrew and with Virginia, and therefore this kind
36:30
Speaker 1: of scenario that we see in the photo likely happened,
36:33
Speaker 1: possibly on more than one occasion. So I do believe
36:37
Speaker 1: that the photo exists in its original form somewhere. But
36:41
Speaker 1: once again, I you know, if someone said to me,
36:43
Speaker 1: could you dig up this old photo that was taken
36:46
Speaker 1: a view as a baby, I don't think I would
36:48
Speaker 1: be able to find it. You know, photos, unfortunately, back
36:51
Speaker 1: in those days before there were digital copies of them,
36:54
Speaker 1: they do get lost, and they go missing, and they
36:57
Speaker 1: get thrown away. There's any number of reasons. But would
37:01
Speaker 1: you throw away a picture of you with a prince? Well,
37:04
Speaker 1: you know, I think you know. I can't speak to
37:06
Speaker 1: Virginia's state of mind. I mean, am I convinced it
37:09
Speaker 1: was lost? I think that may have been acclaimed. Another
37:12
Speaker 1: question I have is how is he who had to
37:14
Speaker 1: sell his Verbia Chalis for eighteen million pounds, how is
37:20
Speaker 1: he footing the bill for this? Because he still owed
37:22
Speaker 1: a lot of money on that Chalis Well, I personally
37:25
Speaker 1: think there's no question that the Queen is helping out now.
37:29
Speaker 1: When Prince Andrew lost all of his royal titles, when
37:33
Speaker 1: he lost all of his military titles, the Palace said,
37:36
Speaker 1: Prince Andrew will need to fight this case as a
37:39
Speaker 1: private citizen. But what we need to remember is that
37:43
Speaker 1: him being a private citizen is still being the son
37:46
Speaker 1: of the Queen, who is a very wealthy lady. And
37:49
Speaker 1: I think that the Queen would have done and paid
37:52
Speaker 1: anything to make this case go away before it reached
37:56
Speaker 1: the stage where he was having to sit down for
37:58
Speaker 1: a deposition, and before weren't reached the stage where he
38:01
Speaker 1: was possibly going to have to testify in front of
38:03
Speaker 1: a court of law. Those things would have been so
38:07
Speaker 1: embarrassing and shameful and scandalous for the royal family that
38:11
Speaker 1: any cost at that point to the Queen is worthwhile
38:15
Speaker 1: in order to prevent those from happening. Was he married
38:18
Speaker 1: to forget at the time of this allegation, he I,
38:21
Speaker 1: You know, I actually don't know that off the top
38:23
Speaker 1: of my head, but I do believe that he. You know,
38:27
Speaker 1: they were planning on calling Fergie as a witness, and
38:32
Speaker 1: you know there was also the possibility that they were
38:35
Speaker 1: going to call Eugenie and Beatrice as witnesses, and Virginia's
38:39
Speaker 1: euphrase lawyer also at one point said that that he
38:43
Speaker 1: may well call Meghan Markle as a witness. And I
38:46
Speaker 1: think that these things may well have been said in
38:50
Speaker 1: order to scare Andrew into a settlement. But can you
38:53
Speaker 1: imagine the embarrassment that would have happened if Meghan Markle
38:59
Speaker 1: had been called the witness and had been asked to
39:02
Speaker 1: talk about all of the awful things that she may
39:04
Speaker 1: have witnessed during her time as a royal. Similarly, if
39:09
Speaker 1: Sarah Ferguson had been called as a witness, she has
39:11
Speaker 1: always been one of the most scandalous members of the
39:13
Speaker 1: royal family, and that could have brought such enormous embarrassment
39:18
Speaker 1: on the monarchy. And you know, I really do think
39:21
Speaker 1: even beyond Prince Andrew's testimony, there was so much potential
39:26
Speaker 1: for more controversy and more scandal to come out that
39:29
Speaker 1: the royal family just couldn't afford to have that happen.
39:31
Speaker 1: To your daughter Bethany Marshall joining us out of Beverly Hills,
39:36
Speaker 1: the fact that in mini minds, this is an admission
39:40
Speaker 1: of guilt on the behalf of Prince Andrew to under
39:44
Speaker 1: age sex, which is rape, statutory rape in many jurisdictions.
39:51
Speaker 1: The effect of dragging this out for so long? What
39:57
Speaker 1: effect does that have on rape victims? Nobody is outright
40:01
Speaker 1: saying there weren't rape, But when you have sex with
40:05
Speaker 1: a minor who under the law cannot consent, that's why
40:10
Speaker 1: my children who are fourteen can't go buy a car,
40:12
Speaker 1: they can't buy liquor or cigarettes, they can't in her
40:15
Speaker 1: contract to buy a house or were a full date
40:18
Speaker 1: because they are children under the law. What effect it's
40:23
Speaker 1: dragging this out all of this time have on her?
40:28
Speaker 1: Virginia Roberts and Giffrey Well, I think that it could
40:32
Speaker 1: actually be helpful, believe it or not, not only her,
40:35
Speaker 1: but other victims, because think about it, victims of rape
40:39
Speaker 1: and sexual abuse experience a huge power differential between them
40:44
Speaker 1: and the perpetrator. But now Virginia Giuffray has her own attorney,
40:50
Speaker 1: she has her own team, she has public support behind her.
40:53
Speaker 1: You know, there's a new sheriff in town who has power.
40:56
Speaker 1: Now the victim. The power dynamic has been reversed, and
41:00
Speaker 1: the power dynamic that has been reversed is with one
41:03
Speaker 1: of the most powerful men on the face of the planet,
41:06
Speaker 1: a member of the Royal Party. So think about the
41:09
Speaker 1: impact on the public. Imagine you are working in a
41:12
Speaker 1: grocery store as a checker. You're underage, and your manager
41:16
Speaker 1: or the store owner comes and rapes you, but you
41:19
Speaker 1: don't report it because you're afraid of losing your job,
41:22
Speaker 1: and the power differential haunts you for the rest of
41:25
Speaker 1: your life. But you read about this case and you
41:29
Speaker 1: learn that one little girl has toppled a prince, and
41:32
Speaker 1: you think, ah uh, maybe I could do it too,
41:35
Speaker 1: maybe I could have power in this life, and it
41:38
Speaker 1: kind of galvanizes you to begin to take action on
41:42
Speaker 1: your own behalf. One other point, Nancy, the sixteen million dollars,
41:47
Speaker 1: I think it's twelve million dollars sixteen million pounds for
41:50
Speaker 1: those who think that this is a lot of money,
41:52
Speaker 1: not only to put it in context of the enormous
41:55
Speaker 1: wealth of the royal family, but there is a reverberating
42:00
Speaker 1: negative affect of sexual abuse. When a woman is raped,
42:05
Speaker 1: it will affect her children, It will affect her children's children,
42:09
Speaker 1: it will affect her cousins, her hands, her uncles, her marriage,
42:12
Speaker 1: so the reimbursement is not only to her, it's towards
42:18
Speaker 1: those for whom there's a negative, cascading set of affects.
42:22
Speaker 1: So you've multiplied out or divided out over all the
42:25
Speaker 1: people who have been affected by this. It's not so
42:28
Speaker 1: big a settlement, Nancy, doctor Bethany I agree and disagree.
42:34
Speaker 1: Victims of violent crime, almost universally, would tell you no
42:42
Speaker 1: amount of money can make up for what has happened
42:47
Speaker 1: to them, and if they could swap out, they would
42:52
Speaker 1: give anything not to have been a victim of violent crime.
42:57
Speaker 1: There are three women in the studio here right now
43:00
Speaker 1: with me. One and four women have been the victim
43:05
Speaker 1: of a sex assault of some nature. What would this
43:10
Speaker 1: woman's life have been like had she not been sex molested?
43:17
Speaker 1: Nancy Grace Crime's story, signing off, good Bye friend,