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Evel Knievel · The Tom & Gerry Show Podcast

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  Tom, they've got us surrounded. It's only one way we're getting out of
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  here. Poal, We're gonna have to podcast our way out of here.
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  Damn it. But Brud, I just swore I'd never do it again.
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  This is it, Tom, the grand finale, the final shootout. Season
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  seven is drawn to a close. Another fine season, if I may say
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  so myself. It's a good season. That was a good, concise season
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  of weird stuff. Remind me too before when we do tell people about this,
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  I do have updates I need to tell you about because I wanted to
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  mention it to you and before it falls out of my head. Hello,
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  everybody, Welcome to Yes, the final episode of the season seven, Tom
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  and Jerry Show. This is it. This is where we rounded off and
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  leaven number because heaven for we did enough on Pischas to tell you not to
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  be finishing things on odd numbers, whistling women and all the rest of it.
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  I passed the ends of thing on number. Tom. Oh, Jesus
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  Christ, will I tell you something? But if you're wonder what if you're
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  coming from another part of the world and you've just landed in because evil and
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  evil is your thing, go back and have a gander. There's a rega
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  class stuff there. Like I said, people are digging back up out Fred.
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  They're giving him a look there. People are just you know I'm speaking
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  of speaking of speaking of Fred, there are funny to say. He's very
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  like the subject of today's season closer, Tom, we needed another big iconic
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  figure that you know, many of us grew up with, or at least
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  grew up with the legend of him. And many newer folks today have no
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  fucking clue who we're talking about. I know that's the thing. Yet people
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  don't have any clue in in one way, but the name. Dare I
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  dare say I dare say Tom that the subject of today's podcast one missed or
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  Evil Can Evil has a name that's so iconic that even if you don't,
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  you couldn't pick the man out of a lineup. You fucking have heard of
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  Evil Canievel? Right? Yes? Yeah, and before we're going further because
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  I'm very excited to get it, even Evel because he was a major bar
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  to my childhood. Update on the Sycamore Gap. Oh we got sycamore gap
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  news. Do you only have that now or do you want to say it
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  at the end, I think I need to get it off my chest.
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  And because people have been messaging three, four or five different people who are
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  from kind of that region or whatever have kind of been on and off.
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  Chris, he's a listener as well. He's from right up the road from
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  that. He says, he's they're dugging. Before we go any further,
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  can we legally say this on they this is where it's at. This is
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  where it's at legally on their news around there. So they're at the lad
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  and the they have been left go. They've been left go. They can't
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  pin it on him. They can't pin it on him. They're looking at
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  a couple other suspects apparently, but they're keeping it on the d L.
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  They now have taken away oil and petrol samples to see if they can match
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  it to a brand, a petro station and stuff like that. They're never
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  catching these fuckers. Wherever tom and diesel samples. You never d You can't
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  trace ol back to a car, can you can? You? You could,
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  well, you could chase, you could definitely trace the brand. You
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  can definitely trace the brand. And if it turns out to be like a
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  local brand that's made somebody purely for chainsaws. If they if they petrol,
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  they can trace it. But they could definitely trace petrol back. They can
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  definitely chase if that's the petro station just up the road, they could.
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  You know. Now, it's going to be tricky because there's farmers everywhere,
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  as a fella said, like, and all of them have a chainsaw.
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  But the the story at the moment it is that they have suspects in.
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  The suspicion by everybody around is that it's a farmer who had fallen out with
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  the National Trust. But like, the place is devastated as a result because
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  this thing was bringing fucking bus loads of people who wanted the picture. Like
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  this is bringing a lot of mula and they reckon. Some fell out of
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  all now with the National Trust, and that's where they're at. Well,
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  we can't grieve forever. But speaking about petrol driven machines being used for destructive
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  purposes, let's get into the subject of today's podcast, the motorcycle Mayhem man
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  himself, mister evil Knievel Tom, what do you think about that? I
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  love it, I love it. We all had the tie. I'm gonna
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  say to you first, I certainly didn't have the fucking tie. Here's the
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  thing, right, See, here's the thing Tom, when you study this
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  evil Canievel had come and gone by the time that we, you know,
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  breathe their fresh air for the first time. It's true most of his jumps
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  and leaps all kind of done by the seventies and by the early eighties,
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  like he still was a famous person, but like we would have never watched
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  any of this ship live. No, no, no, no no,
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  But there was just the essence of evil Canievel persisted indeed to this day.
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  Whereas if anybody air age or otherwise sees a motorcycle with less than two wheels
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  on the ground, we'll go, oh yeah, yeah, I got the
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  toy from as many times as long listeners of this podcast will have dug up
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  and gone back through the annals of time, through the American cousins, and
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  ohoh yeah, it wasn't it wasn't about to show up in Joe Wheland's toy
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  store in Tiptown. I can tell you, well, this is it,
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  you see, yes, yes, yees, And where don't you worry?
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  Well I want to, I want I want to learn about that toy later
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  on. But let's get into this man tom and why we're again We're the
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  same as bulls Ie, same as fred Dibna. Why are we talking about
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  this on a podcast thirty forty years after the fact. Okay, some legends
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  just persist. And this guy is right up our street, hard drinking,
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  hard living woman Nyes and roller bike riding, jet flying, wheeling dealing.
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  Ooh, son of a gun. I gotta save that for the Rick Flair
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  episode. All right, okay, Evil Canievel, let me tell you who
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  he is, Tommy, He's born in nineteen thirty eight, and his name
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  was Robert Canievel. I see Knievel. I would have said, like,
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  if you were going to pick a name that like you made up Canievel?
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  Was it? Evil? Was like it was a first name. I thought
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  Evil was a first name. Coricker Thanknievel was the second one. I thought
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  when I saw when I can remember seeing him on a serious enough conversation or
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  interview whatever, it was like Parkinson and one of them, and they said
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  they got to the Canieval, So tell us a Canieval like with the Caneval
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  family, And I was like, oh, it's a fucking but then it
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  is. It's like it's like that that Jewish name Snabel. You know what
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  I mean, that's kind of got that. Is it a Jewish well,
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  you know the other side Tom, it's German. Yeah, it could be
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  German Jewish. It's a it's a Germanic name. Canevel. He got that
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  from his dad's side and his mom bonus points. She was Irish, of
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  course it was. She was born. Was she Borke or something? I
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  couldn't take that up, but I was sure she was Borke. Yeah,
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  I'll tell you what she was not for nothing. She wasn't only Irish,
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  she was the other side of as well. She was an alcoholic Irish woman.
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  No harm to her. And his dad was a miner with no time
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  for a child. So the dad fucked off and the man couldn't raise the
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  child. So evil Robert, as he was known at the time, Robert
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  Knievel was raised by mom and Paul Canievel, his dad's mom and dad.
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  Ah sh you know what, that's just what it is, you know what
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  I mean? And where was he? It was he was up north northern
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  state. He was he was in Butte, Montana. That's right, a
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  hard hard like that's where a hard yellowstone is coming on, you know.
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  Yeah, that's where you go to my You know, if you're going to
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  have a coal mining daddy and a fucking alcoholic mam, you're going to have
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  it in Butte Montana, Montda. I mean it's but it's I'm sorry,
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  but maybe butty, but but it's boy. But that was evil. Evil.
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  That was Robert Canevel growing up when he's granny and grandad and then he
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  dropped out of school because he was like a fuck Era, fuck it,
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  like you know, here's here's the thing, like you know, ah,
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  he was a troublemaker, Like you know, what else are you going to
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  be if you're an alcoholic and they all that fucked up and you know,
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  and and and you can you can make concessions for all these things. But
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  like you know, as we'll get into it down the way, like you
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  know, you can, you can make something of yourself despite you know,
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  a poor start in life. But some things will follow you, Tom,
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  Yeah, some things will follow you. So yeah, he was he was.
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  He was a high school dropper, high school drop but he did get
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  a job in the mines. He was like, Era, fuck it,
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  I mean like this is one of these things, Tom, what are you
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  going to do? If you're a mind, you're going to do. You're
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  a mining it's Michigan in the seventies. You know, you're also you're building
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  cars, do you know what I mean? Like this is you know,
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  he's not opening a fucking marshmallow shop, let's be honest. So he's he's
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  there. He got a job in the mines, but he get a job
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  on the surface of the mine. And he's like, he's a he's a
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  I couldn't quite get the machine, Tom, but I reckon he was like
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  a himak driver. Oh and I only I remember hearing about hearing something about
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  this. Yeah, he was pulling moves in the fucking digger. He was
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  pulling moves in the digger. And I'm here going, you're not gonna do
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  You're not gonna pull moves in a JCB. But I have seen lads sort
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  of breakdance with a JCB, breakdance with a himac. Yeah, And he
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  was spinning and he was doing sort of doughnuts on a high mac. This
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  is and like, you know, here's the thing, like, you know,
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  drop out of school and got a job on a digger. He is
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  in his like mid teens right now, fifteen sixteen and he was spinning around
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  in the himak acting the ballocks and drove the whole fucking thing through the power
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  lines going into Butte, Montana. That is definitely stupid shit, like I
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  would have done. I swear to god, he fucking he didn't like he
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  didn't cut a cable in the ground while he was digging. He wasn't hard
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  at work and then caught a table at the ground. Like he drove a
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  himac through the sub station going into the town. I need to clarify.
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  A high mac too is is an old school phrase for a tractive excavator.
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  By the way, Himac is a brand from like the seventh I love because
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  You're because you're you're a man as an excavator driver wasn't. Yeah, he
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  was a JCB driver, And I always made a difference, Say, all
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  right, JCB driver and iMac drivers are two very different things. But they're
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  diggers. What can I say? So that was like, you know,
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  the least of fucking Robert Knievel's worries. On top of all that, you
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  know, he was a bit of a cunt, do you know what I
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  mean? Oh? Yeah, that was workplace mal practice. But he also
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  was like you know, and for want of a better praise, he was
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  a motorcycle hooligan. So he wasn't quite in a motorcycle gang. He wasn't
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  like he was in a Hell's Angels or anything like that. More than them
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  focus in a minute. But he would just like rally up and down a
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  town on a bike. Oh bollocks a proper pos yeah, yeah, yeah
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  yeah, And like he do he do, like he do wheelies up and
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  down the town, and like I can only imagine do wheelies outside masks and
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  ship like this. I'll just be like, error, whichever fuck off.
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  It's not like Mami is going to give clip around the ear like you know,
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  you know, and if there was like revs revs around but Montana people
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  are like, oh that's that. Canieveal boy acting the ballocks again, you
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  know, to the point where one day he was just doing like wheelies up
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  and down. Okay, you know, Tom, We've all done fucking laps
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  up and down the town. I never sped, but like I would just
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  like drive up and down the town to the point where someone must most of
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  the point that fucker in the via ponto ever park or do something. But
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  can evels here acting the ballocks, doing like wheelies and feet feet stands,
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  feet stands standing on the saddle, going up and down on the motorbike.
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  Yeah, came out. What is there a name for that? A foot
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  stand? Oh there would be now for sure. If you watch the Red
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  bullfucking motographs, guy sure does. Oh my, he's pulling up the triple
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  soccer. Yeah, yeah, the Superman, all this kind of all this
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  kind of horseship. So he's doing all this. This is nineteen fifty six
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  Tom, and he did it a wee bit too often, and he like
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  totaled the bike and slid it into like you know, in my mind,
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  he slid it into like a stand of fruit that has been sold outside the
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  shop. Oh, in my mind I had, I had a lovely flower
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  bed outside work as well, out behind with a picket fence behind in front
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  of the courthouse has a big the courthouse that that doctor Brown. Yeah,
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  yeah, one of them. Sounds like the most glorious time ever there because
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  everybody smoked fags indoors. You drive, you drove the biggest petrol yolks.
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  Nobody was worried about environments. Nobody was worried about not no worries you might
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  have started for gotten TV, you know what I mean, or loops or
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  something like that. But at the same time, it's a great time to
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  be alive. This is it. The advice is coming home from the war.
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  Vietnam hadn't happened yet exactly. So there's like a twenty year window there
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  where things are fucking cool. That pretty sweet. Well listen here it was,
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  but Robert Knievel he slid into something, now if you want to say
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  that, he slid into a fruit stand, a flower potch, you know,
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  two lads carrying the paine of glass across the road. Whatever it was
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  like, he fucking smashed it and he got pinched for it, and he
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  got sucked into the cells like not a fella earn like that, but like
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  a misdemeanor. He would have been. He would have had dozens of this.
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  He would have been one of these boys that would have been sucked into
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  the cells a couple of times. But on this faith occasion in nineteen fifty
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  six, when he was eighteen years of age, he was in the cell
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  beside another local roused about called William nofle oh Nol. Yeah, yeah,
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  yeah, yeah, William k n u f l e another German? Enough
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  another Yeah, I don't I would see that could be like you know,
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  there's a bunch of Germans moved over and the von Browners and whatnot moved up
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  to monta Hey. Who fucking knows. But William Noafl was known around town
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  as a wee bit of a bollocks, and he had a nickname. He
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  was known as awful novel. They love his fact on the nose by,
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  don't they they? So when the cop came round on his rounds later in
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  the night and he seen the two of them side by side in the cell
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  and he was checking his sheep, he goes, well, who have we
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  in tonight? Let me have a look. Well, we got awful novel?
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  And I guess that makes you evil? Canievil? I love if you
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  got it wrong, like you know, because you're awful noful and I suppose
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  you're nevel. It's not right, I don't, I don't are we trying?
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  Well? If it is an awful novel? And Robert Bobert, I
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  got better in me here hang on, hold on, here's the one.
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  Here's the one right if we were in the other cells. So McBride is
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  next door. So Jerry McBride, what's McBride is going to because we're there,
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  we're two bollocks as well. We're in there for say you're after you're
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  after stealing the newspaper from this from the newspaper stand where you just flip it
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  up and you're supposed to put a quarter in, but you decided to just
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  take it away yourself. Well, did I need that corner to flip up
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  and down while I'm standing by the street corner at one foot on the wall,
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  Tom, Hey, yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got a packet
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  of fangs up your sleeve as well. I think we would probably say,
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  well, well, well it's old slide McBride, yeah, and so on
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  the slide McBride, Will you catch me? O many would you like an
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  evil? Can evil name? Stick your name in the comments. We'll give
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  you one, fucking Jerry'll give you one because he's just he's on fire right
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  now. So do not do not miss whatever you're listening on. Just ride
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  it in the comments. So there you go. That was the end of
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  Robert Knievel being known as Robert. He's spelled if people haven't, it isn't
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  a spelling mistake. That we put at the top of this episode it is
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  mistake at least at least not in evil. You know. That's not to
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  say there's not some spelling mistake somewhere. Yeah, but in evil, he
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  he went for evil, but he went for evil Cadievil. He spelled it
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  ev e l Canievil because he said his rationale was that was like, you
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  know, I'm evil, but I'm not evil, like all right, Yeah,
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  what you know the colors of Robert Takehead you didn't do here. Yeah,
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  Bob, Bobby can evil is not a bad Bobby can evil works anyway,
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  So that's it. Bobby can evil, Evil can evil. I don't
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  have any more information on Awful Canifful either here. By the way, I
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  don't know if he's all right. He certainly didn't become a motorcycle there devil
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  that I fucking know of. I bet he had. He was caught later
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  in life, you know, later in the next couple of weeks with a
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  swag bag and like a stripey top. For sure, he had a stripeye
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  top and like a swag bag. And then it's he'd spend the rest of
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  his days, you know, working in probably in a fucking mind for free
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  change another lad, Yeah, or with a big fucking round ball on his
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  on his ankle, Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, evil Knievel.
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  He decided no, not for me, So he's going to straighten up and
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  fly right. And the war is over. Tom. But that doesn't mean
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  to say you couldn't join the military, but you were at least kind of
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  Was this Korean War territory? Was it? Hey? Tom, listen,
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  this is a history podcast. I'm sorry it's not a history podcast. But
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  not only that, here's where I come clean, and I'm gonna tell you,
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  Tom, I don't really know what the fucking Korean War was other than
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  a war in Korea. It wasn't Vietnam. It was in World War two
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  round the fifties. In other words, they made no good movies about it.
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  That's all that. All that the war for us, All the war
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  in Korea did was great, really good drill sergeant cars that went on to
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  train lads for the Vietnam War. That's all we know. Like, oh,
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  if if it wasn't Vietnam or Eo Jima, then uh fuck, don't
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  ask me about it. I don't know. And that goes back the other
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  way as well. I know fuk all about the American Civil War as well.
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  But Evil Knievel he was there like I'm going to straighten up a fly,
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  right, So he was like Freddy did a couple of tours in the
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  military. Parallels here, you know what I mean? You know, youngsters
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  we put put motorbikes, you know, Yeah, but they're in where Yeah,
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  I suppose in't both the both the punch on for dangerous ship? Yeah?
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  No, I mean, like now I would argue that fred was a
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  bit more humble. I think I think we'll have a look now, Tom,
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  as we go into it. I think our pony might have tricked again.
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  But here we go anywhere, right, Okay, so even Canievel Fox
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  off and you know what he do? You know what he exceled that,
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  Tom, You know, side hustles, like extra curricular activities, you know
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  what, these hobbies were, sucking up motorbikes. Besides that, he like
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  rodeo okay, ski jumping for Fox's sake, and Paul Vaulton. So like
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  he was just allergic to the fucking ground is what he was. Really.
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  Somebody from the outside looking and you know, could have could have started his
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  career for him where they went, Bob, come here, come here.
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  Yeah, you know the way you love jumping over shit. Yeah, well
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  let's try and let's try and focus on that. Bob. Will you fill
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  out this questionnaire for me? Do you like to be a on the ground
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  or be not on the ground? Okay? Right? Who got a fucking
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  yeah? Right? He gets out, He gets out, he gets out
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  of the army or leaves of honorably discharged, whatever the fuck he was.
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  He's out of it, right, and he's still only here. You're long,
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  Yeah, he is. Is only twenty twenty one, So he's twenty
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  twenty one, and butte Bontana in the fifties. So what a young lad
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  to do? Tom get married to the first fucking woman you see? Of
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  course, so he met and married a lady called Linda Burk. I want
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  to I want to check, am I saying that right? Now? Right?
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  I had it wrong? I thought, is Bork he married so Bork,
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  which I'm guessing she probably they probably changed at fucking Ella's Island, you
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  know, to make her sound more Germany. She is. She is a
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  Irish descent because his yeah, the woman he married apparently was a Virish descent.
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  Yeah, oh, well, you know the name Bork threw me there.
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  Tom, No, I could be totally wrong, but this was this
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  was what I had in my head because I remember watching the documentary on the
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  youngs Ago and this was what I had in my head. I could be
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  wrong. She might be absolutely Icelandic and she might be related to York.
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  Is Tom wrong? Let us know in the comments, But either way,
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  fucking evil can even marry this woman. And it was like, you know,
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  I watched the documented I think I might have watched the same one.
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  And she's the sweetest woman. She's still alive or was at least a couple
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  of years ago when this thing came out. It's so nice, and she
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  was all talking about how lovely in whatever she was, and she was like
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  sixteen or seventeen, and she was like a child of sweethearts high school and
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  always swept her off his feet and all this kind of thing. And then
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  she goes on in her own words like it's not hinting at Tom to say
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  that he's straight up basically kidnapped her one day after school and put her on
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  the back of a motorbike and drove her one town over and married her.
• 21:14
  Well, I mean, there are ways and means of do you know we
• 21:22
  weren't there there, we weren't there, but I mean like we weren't there.
• 21:25
  It really sounds like, you know, he picked her up after school
• 21:27
  and like they were put putting around on the motorbike and she's like, oh,
• 21:30
  where are we go? And he's like, you'll see, I just
• 21:36
  have notions of Borat running with a bag, the marrying bag and just thrown
• 21:38
  it over head that my wife and and you know, not for nothing,
• 21:44
  her dad fucking hated literal evil Canievil. He's like, yeah, not for
• 21:49
  not for me, this evil can Eevil. No. But there you go,
• 21:52
  like he got himself a wife, Tom, Well, do you know
• 21:57
  what I mean? It was an achievement in itself. He came out of
• 22:00
  the army. He was, as you said, he was straightening up and
• 22:03
  flying right now. I mean maybe not to say he could have played the
• 22:06
  field. Well you know, more on that in a second time, right
• 22:10
  right, yeah, I mean all right, So so he's he's a couple
• 22:17
  of things, and these times he's a insurance salesman. He's an amateur motocross
• 22:22
  right, Okay, he's doing that sort of motocross sort of scrambler racing kind
• 22:26
  of thing and rended it. And then then the fucking John Connor bike,
• 22:30
  right, yes, and he's buzzing about the place. And I've got questions
• 22:33
  about that now in a little second, but he's doing that shit and he
• 22:37
  packs it all in or he gets sacked from his job as an insurance salesman.
• 22:41
  He's like, you know what, I can't be doing with this.
• 22:42
  I'm twenty one and butte Montana with a wife and probably kids along the way.
• 22:48
  What do I what do I like doing? What am I going to
• 22:49
  do? So he became a motorbike salesman, right because he knows bikes and
• 22:53
  he's you know, his days of crashing them into flower arrangements are over,
• 22:59
  right, right. I mean, let's be honest, had we not known
• 23:03
  how this is going to end, if we were to guess, and we're
• 23:06
  never given the name of somebody or whoever it was, the guy likes pole
• 23:10
  vault ski jumping, and now he sells motorbikes, and now he sells motorbikes.
• 23:15
  Why can we put all this together? Well, I'll tell you how
• 23:18
  we put all this together. Sales were low in his motorcycle job. He
• 23:21
  wasn't drumming enough for not drumming up enough trade, And his boss said to
• 23:25
  him, all right, Robert, we need to we need to drum up
• 23:30
  some trade. We need we need something that will get like we need like
• 23:32
  an open day here at the same at the garage. We need to They
• 23:36
  obviously had the windsock man. They obviously went for that. He got the
• 23:40
  fucking man not working. What can we what can we do? What can
• 23:45
  what can we put on that will gather a crowd and maybe sell these fuckers
• 23:49
  a motorbike or two? And Evil Knievel said, I know just the thing.
• 23:55
  Where's my pole vault? No, not the pole vault? Would you
• 23:59
  fucking land down most been doing? Come on, this is like his guardian
• 24:03
  age to go Jesus Christ with the poole vaulting. A little little left there,
• 24:07
  Bob, a little little left. Let me think, Let me think,
• 24:11
  Let me think. I work for a motorship company and they have I
• 24:14
  should definitely do something with a motorbike. I should shouldn't I I should absolutely
• 24:18
  should. But you go a long way from there to where he got like,
• 24:22
  this was one of these ones where it's like, don't start small,
• 24:27
  you know, don't. Don't, don't like start smaller thing like that evil
• 24:30
  Canevil said, I know what I'll do. I'll jump a motorcycle twelve feet
• 24:37
  across a pit of rattlesnakes. This fucker had some wiring lead. That was
• 24:45
  his first fuck. That was his first gambit. It wasn't I'll jump a
• 24:49
  motorcycle twelve feet. That's everybody would have said, like, that's fine,
• 24:53
  Robert, that's no problem. He's like, oh wait, wait, you
• 24:56
  haven't got to the best bit, all right, Like we put four stakes
• 25:00
  in the ground and plank it off and fill it with fucking snakes and shit,
• 25:04
  and I'll jump across that. Okay, A few questions there, Bob
• 25:08
  uh snakes? Have you got a line on where we get Have you got
• 25:15
  a snake scale? The snails or salesman up the street? Like what what?
• 25:19
  What the fuck? You literally just so got out of the insurance business,
• 25:23
  and you don't see a problem with this. Okay, the snakes on
• 25:26
  the lego just isn't matching up. But like here's where it might have got
• 25:30
  the idea. Like one thing we glossed over about a thing that Robert kinnievel
• 25:34
  as a young man loved he loved traveling stunt shows. Oh yes, of
• 25:41
  course, yes, which way a thing? And I wan we talk about
• 25:45
  this for a little second time because like right now, when we think of
• 25:47
  Evil Knievel doing a stunt show, we see like a stadium full of people
• 25:52
  and like, you know, ten or twelve buses lined out, and he
• 25:53
  goes down the ramp on one side and jumps over twelve buses and gets out
• 25:56
  the other side, and twenty to thirty to forty to fifty people all stand
• 26:00
  up and give him a big cheer. That wasn't a thing. That was
• 26:06
  a thing later, I dare say, because of Evil Caniebral Yeah okay,
• 26:12
  But like a motorcycle stunt show like he would have grown up with was more
• 26:17
  like what did it? You know that shit to do with the police where
• 26:22
  they get like the motor the police motorcycle gang, and it's like guys standing
• 26:26
  in a pyramid on a yes, yeah, yeah, okay, an inverted
• 26:30
  pyramid of people on a motorcycle yeah, or a motorcycle driving like on the
• 26:36
  ground through a ring of fire. Tell me this, when's the last time
• 26:40
  you saw one of those advertised? Because I remember my kid would love that
• 26:45
  shit. I remember going to a few of them, Like they used to
• 26:48
  go to a racecourse just up the road here in Rose Green. I remember
• 26:52
  seeing guys on the fucking bonnets of cars getting thrown through fucking flames, monster
• 26:56
  trucks, fucking motorbikeed guys, flipping ship had the wheel of death, that
• 27:00
  had the dome of death, like this was great ship. Has it all
• 27:04
  been done away with her? What? I I don't know. I I
• 27:07
  look here, we'll get into it now, Tom. I like long story
• 27:11
  short, I think pac Man came along and cleaned all this fucking out right
• 27:15
  fuck took all the money out of it. But but like you know that
• 27:19
  that still exists to this day, like you know, but it's under the
• 27:22
  guise of like the circus, for example, you can go to the circus
• 27:26
  and it's acrobats and shit like this, or you can go to the nitro
• 27:29
  circus and it's fucking what have you and all this kind of shit, monster
• 27:33
  trucks and all this kind of thing. But at the time, like you
• 27:34
  know, the motor shows would have been that evil can Eevil would have grown
• 27:40
  up with, would have been like a guy that could ski a car on
• 27:42
  two wheels, and then go back down and things like this, because you
• 27:45
  got to remember this is like early sixties, okay, so it's not like,
• 27:51
  oh yeah, they were doing motor they were doing car jumps like the
• 27:53
  Jukes of Hazard or Smoky in the Bandit that's twenty years in the future here,
• 28:00
  because because I remember, I remember reading about how the lights of that
• 28:03
  ship came about and NASCAR came about, and it was lads would had come
• 28:07
  back from the Second World War and Korea, lads who were handy with with
• 28:14
  hypeower fucking airplane engines and motorbikes and stuff, and they would juice him up.
• 28:18
  But they were also so that they could outrun copperhead road stuff. You
• 28:22
  know, they're out run with their with their with their moonshine and then and
• 28:27
  that's how the likes of these lads were able to pull off moves like that
• 28:30
  ship and they go you know, people would probably pay to watch us do
• 28:33
  cool ship. This is just it like nobody had seen anything like this,
• 28:37
  and it wasn't like you could go watch Bullet in the cinema and see them
• 28:40
  ramping over jumps in San Francisco, like the biggest the idea of a car
• 28:44
  stunt in a movie at the time was when like fucking George Bailey crashes his
• 28:48
  car into the tree and it's a wonderful life. That was it. That
• 28:55
  was your last losing their mind. Oh my god. Yeah, because think
• 28:57
  about it as all Carrie grand going like this in the car driving and like
• 29:02
  backscreen projection. It's not cars doing anything crazy. You had to leave your
• 29:07
  house to see it. Tom, if you wanted to see something, you
• 29:11
  had to leave your house and see it like that. That that's where the
• 29:14
  whole carny thing of it comes. That's when circuses come to town. Okay.
• 29:19
  It was a way of getting you to leave your house to go to
• 29:22
  a venue to see a thing that you otherwise would not see. And like
• 29:26
  you know, as years roll by, it's like Erafucket. I've got like
• 29:30
  SkyTV at home. I have one hundred channels the cinemas there, you know,
• 29:33
  I mean you and I know how hard it is to fucking drag people
• 29:36
  into a comedy club. Okay, you don't need a you know. Okay,
• 29:40
  So if you want to get somebody out of their house to a second
• 29:45
  location and and and pay money to see a thing, then that thing has
• 29:51
  to be something they're not going to see, and a car driving on two
• 29:53
  wheels might just be that. Yeah, okay, okay, I see it
• 29:57
  right now. And if you see a f that says a youngster from around
• 30:03
  the way is going to jump twelve feet over a pit of rattlesnakes, you
• 30:07
  might pay fifty cent to see that, right. I would, I actually
• 30:11
  would, And you wouldn't have been alone, because a whole pile of people
• 30:15
  said, all right, fair enough, and they all lined up for Don
• 30:18
  Palmriise motorcycle. A lot of fucking name Don Pomroy's motorcycle, Palmerise Motorcycles.
• 30:26
  So I thought, lies, it wasn't twelve feet, it was twenty feet.
• 30:30
  Okay, I reckon, I more than how he counts as jumps now
• 30:33
  in a second, because you know he milks his figures a little bit here
• 30:37
  and there. Okay, okay, I reckon it was like a twy I
• 30:41
  reckon it was twenty foot bell the bell end of ramp to end the ramp
• 30:44
  with a twelve foot gap in the middle. He does a lot of that.
• 30:47
  By the way. Well look, you know, you know you're gonna
• 30:49
  jump fifteen cars. Well you know, it's very funny three of them are
• 30:52
  under the fucking takeoff ramp. Okay, you know, I'm just gonna say,
• 30:57
  all right, I drove past it scars on the way in here from
• 31:00
  the car parks. Yeah that's and I don't mind that, Tom, because
• 31:04
  I love all that old carny ship. Like you know, this guy over
• 31:07
  here is seven feet tall. I was like, okay, fair enough.
• 31:11
  I think you're milking it a little bit, but I don't mind that.
• 31:12
  I you know, I respect anybody that can get people into an arena to
• 31:17
  part with money to see a thing. He's a hustler. You got to
• 31:18
  give me, give me his jew He's a fucking hustler's mad best purely.
• 31:22
  Yeah, he's doing it for his ego and he really wants to do it.
• 31:23
  But at the same time, like there has to be a part of
• 31:26
  me going. I could he could just give me a raise and that put
• 31:30
  me under any pressure here to be said. Don Palmeroy was there like,
• 31:33
  you know, like, Robert, are you sure you want to do this?
• 31:36
  But this is a little unconventional. We've never done fucking evil? Can
• 31:40
  evels? Robert? Can I can I? Can I just stop it?
• 31:41
  Can I get to sign this first before you do that thing. It's I
• 31:45
  don't worry about enough. Oh evil evil can evels. They are like,
• 31:49
  you know done, you better get ready, and more fucking motor bikes you've
• 31:55
  ever sold in your beer, my beer, good Jesus. So, Rattlesnakes
• 32:04
  at the ready, rattlesnakes hole, motorcycle hole, Evil Candievil fucking guns the
• 32:10
  motorcycle at the ramp, coasts across the box of rattlesnakes lands on the ramp
• 32:17
  without crashing, but he did clip the enclosure as he landed. So whereas
• 32:24
  Evil Canievel was landed safe and well, the box had burst open and other
• 32:30
  word, fucking rattle snakes everywhere, right, and there's people running and cussing
• 32:40
  and snatching up their children and running and screaming and crying, and don palm
• 32:44
  Roy is like, don't forget to get back for this, caud like you've
• 32:49
  you've never seen a more fucking Homer Simpson moment in your life. That incret
• 32:55
  Like, here's the thing. A rattlesnake's native to Mantana. Ould as fuck
• 33:00
  there right, I don't know, I mean, I it seems cowboy ish,
• 33:05
  so I reckon like is a cold count of a place. Oh it's
• 33:08
  right on the edge of Canada, like it's it's Do you know what I'm
• 33:12
  gonna tell you, Tom to be nice and angry. Do you know what
• 33:16
  would be so funny is if he accidentally released like you know, like Australia.
• 33:22
  You know they oh yeah, yeah, yeah, what did you get
• 33:27
  to get the boat frogs? Well we introduced foxes? Want you get the
• 33:30
  fox Just just he started this fucking epidemic of fucking imasive animals like I'm gonna,
• 33:37
  I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna jump an enclosure of gray squirrels
• 33:45
  belong here? All right, but that was it. That was all the
• 33:51
  tough for Evil Canievel to say, Damn, Mike can no longer work for
• 33:53
  you. Like, from this day forward, I am a motorcycle daredevil.
• 33:58
  That is what I am. I'm taking this ship on the road kill or
• 34:01
  cure. This was his comedy moment, Tom, this where he was like,
• 34:04
  you know what I'm going to do, gigs, That's just this is
• 34:07
  it. I'm terribly sorry. So he set up a thing called Evil Knievel
• 34:12
  and his motorcycle Dear Devil. This is a round about nineteen sixty six,
• 34:16
  whereas him and a group of somewhat similar minded lads who were going to put
• 34:22
  on various feats of daring do on motorcycles. It wasn't quite that I'm going
• 34:28
  to jump from A to B. There was a lot of I'm going to
• 34:31
  drive through burning bales of fire. Yeah, yeah, yeah, And Tom,
• 34:40
  it's hard to start any business right, true. I'm just thinking of
• 34:45
  all the logistics involved here, because it's like Jesus Christ, you gotta get
• 34:49
  a fucking fat number. He's gonna I'm wandered all the boring my head?
• 34:57
  Do you like to make a you make the wife a fucking ceo as well,
• 35:00
  you know, Jesus Christ. And now you've got all these snakes you
• 35:06
  gotta and you've got lads on the payroll like you know, you're you're how
• 35:12
  you're diving it up? Like? I mean, how are you divving it
• 35:14
  up? Are some better than others have? Is the more experience? Like?
• 35:17
  And not for nothing? Who's drawn on the money here? Okay,
• 35:21
  if it's Evil Canevil and his motorcycle there devils, then couldn't it just be
• 35:24
  Evil Canievel the motorcycle there devil are you gonna draw that much more money,
• 35:30
  I guess. Yes. See. Sometimes you see lineups on comedy clubs and
• 35:34
  lads opening up they have like eight comedians on. It's like six is plenty
• 35:37
  and too many. And to be honest, I'm a lover of three.
• 35:43
  Yeah you know what I mean. If they can it's rupy dold. If
• 35:45
  I could just if I whittle it down to one and that was acceptable,
• 35:49
  That's the way I'd go. Guy, any any of a comedy brother And
• 35:52
  I know I'm sort of in the alumni here. I saw a post on
• 35:57
  Instagram the other day with a lineup of comedians on those fourteen comedians on it,
• 36:00
  And I've been on nights like that, And then tell you from experience,
• 36:04
  don't book fourteen comedians for a night. That's that's that ain't It's noble?
• 36:07
  And how you do it? Guys? One that is riding the motorbike
• 36:12
  through fucking bails, the burning again one off one of them is blindfold smashing
• 36:16
  plates with a hammer as he drives past it on a motorcycle. Consider him
• 36:20
  maybe, but this is what they were doing to him. They were filling
• 36:22
  time. They're like, well, what can we do next? Like you
• 36:25
  know, we want to the people that are coming to see Evil Candievil jump
• 36:28
  across a thing, whatever it might be, one car, an ice cream
• 36:30
  float, whatever it might be. And that was it. That was his
• 36:32
  tight five he didn't have and that was tight and and like you know,
• 36:38
  so the rest of it was just with respect cadology, including one stunt that
• 36:44
  sort of sharpened Evil Candievral's focus and made him think, I don't fucking listen.
• 36:49
  I don't need this. Nobody's coming to see it. He put in
• 36:52
  a bit where he would Evil himself would stand in the way of an oncoming
• 37:00
  motorbike and like leapfrog them as he drove past. So you're driving towards me
• 37:07
  in a motorcycle, Tom, right, and I jump and I do like
• 37:10
  a star jump kind of a thing, pow, you know, van hale
• 37:14
  and star jump in the air and you go under me. If if we
• 37:17
  time it right, you can see us doing that right? Yeah? What
• 37:22
  can you more likely see us doing? Tom? You getting a face full
• 37:24
  of my or me getting a faceful of your crutch and you've flipping over nine
• 37:29
  times and breaking your spurnum. That's exactly what happened. Tom. Evil went
• 37:34
  to leap frog this motorcycle and the guy with the helmet just like smashed directly
• 37:37
  into his balls at about forty miles an hour, lovely like neither left nor
• 37:42
  right of it, a forty mile an hour head butt to the ball right
• 37:45
  down the pipe. Okay, yeah, right down the pipe. Yeah yeah,
• 37:51
  that's yeah, and evil and Evil did like a full backwards double summer
• 37:55
  assault and smashed down and he's out for the count. Could cost all this
• 38:00
  kind of ship and somebody pain in his balls as well. Oh my god,
• 38:04
  wakes up with the pain in these balls and like, you know,
• 38:06
  some post clash crash clarity of like I don't need to be doing this.
• 38:10
  The people are coming to see me jump a car. Yeah yeah, I'm
• 38:15
  laying all these motorcycles there. That devil's off listens, Uh, it's it's
• 38:23
  it's been a great run. Hey you remember you remember that a Remember that
• 38:27
  time in Oregon? That was good crack, wasn't it. Remember when you
• 38:30
  smashed my two balls together? This is where you remember when you made you
• 38:32
  remember when you made my two balls one with a nice pack on his on
• 38:37
  his dick. He's like Terry, if you know, we go way back
• 38:44
  and honestly, God, it was You're just you're a good guy. I
• 38:47
  know you've got kids. I know you've got kids, but I've got rattlesnakes
• 38:52
  and I'm just saying I'm gonna go out my own luds and I wish you
• 38:57
  the very best. Look if you want to hang onto the suits to do
• 39:00
  hang on to the suits, the motorbikes oders anyway, all I'll tell you
• 39:04
  is that if the concession stan vouchers will be valid to the end of the
• 39:07
  show. So yeah, we want to get I want to get some of
• 39:09
  those hot dogs corn dogs into you. You can. You can keep the
• 39:13
  helmet with the imprint of my ball smashed into it. I'll even sign it
• 39:19
  for you. I'll send you This was the day that Evil Canevel gave you
• 39:22
  a dreadful headful come here. So that's it. He's like, I'm jumping
• 39:27
  these fucking cars, And that's what it was. It became the Evil Canievel
• 39:30
  Show. He would come to your town, he would jump across the thing,
• 39:32
  and that was pretty much it. And he found that as many people
• 39:36
  would show up the show to see him jump ten cars as would show up
• 39:39
  to see the other air and a half fucking Dalgon pony show. Okay,
• 39:44
  right, Oh here's the problem, Tom. If you've seen a man come
• 39:46
  to your town and jump ten cars, why would you go see it twice?
• 39:52
  You wouldn't because I want to see himjump fifteen cars next time. See
• 39:58
  if he's jumped ten car as I know, we can jump ten cars.
• 40:00
  Yeah, yeah, okay, So the thrill of it's out because a lot
• 40:04
  of people, and they're not for nothing, Tom. This is like you
• 40:06
  know, the late fifties, early sixties. You go to a show like
• 40:10
  this either to see it succeed or perhaps see it fail. You'd be glad
• 40:16
  you went either way, though, you know, talk about it Monday.
• 40:21
  I'll gladly pay two bits to see a guy jump ten cars in a motorcycle,
• 40:27
  But I'll also pay two bits to see a man killed in front of
• 40:30
  my eyes. It's true. It's true. You're all thinking that. Everybody's
• 40:36
  thinking like it's the cheapest way you ever paid money to watch a man.
• 40:39
  Guy. Okay, because this is you know, it's it's hard to get
• 40:44
  tickets to the Electric Chair Chamber, you know what I mean? When it
• 40:46
  comes back. You've tried every years, you know, every year he's on
• 40:51
  that, like the stub Hub every year. StubHub is like, god damn,
• 40:55
  it's like trying to get fucking Taylor Swift tickets to get takes to that
• 40:59
  you get on the floor of the Lakers game before you get a good seat
• 41:04
  at the execution. So that is what Evil Canievel decided to do. He
• 41:12
  was going to jump more and more cars. And he was sort of famous
• 41:15
  as a local celebrity, I guess, and like you know, every every
• 41:17
  year he'd come round, he'd go with a town out he'd had another town
• 41:22
  to the circuit and go to the next time and say, hello, I'm
• 41:23
  Evil can Eevil can I you know, set up in your town this Saturday
• 41:28
  and sell tickets to see me jump ten cars. And if you don't believe
• 41:31
  me, ask them in Helena, Helena, Montana. That's the town fucking
• 41:37
  north Haverbrook over there. See what they say, really put it on and
• 41:44
  they would say okay. But then when he had to come round on the
• 41:46
  next circuit in six months or a year, well, like you've seen me
• 41:50
  see jump ten cars, but now I'm going to jump eleven. Now I'm
• 41:52
  going to jump twelve, and so on and so forth, and as this
• 41:55
  went up and up and up. Can't when I'm a Tom, you can't
• 42:00
  win them all, because, to be honest, that that's the image that's
• 42:02
  in my head. Is he getting the hookery nut crunch off, the fucking
• 42:07
  petrol tank, the fucking wheels going fucking east and wished and him going fucking
• 42:13
  fucking head over biscuit, all over the fucking stand, all over the stand.
• 42:17
  When he attempted to jump twelve cars, Tom, he broke his arm,
• 42:21
  and he broke several ribs. You and I both know what broken ribs
• 42:23
  are like. Brother, We know. We also know the twelve car cut
• 42:27
  off. I mean, we've all been there. Who what lunatic goes beyond
• 42:30
  the leven eleven is the Once you go beyond the eleven, you're in fucking
• 42:35
  no man's territory. You're in Van Diemen's land. Right out there be dragons.
• 42:39
  He went to jump fifteen, Tom, he got a concussion, you
• 42:43
  know, which, as things go, is not that bad. Well here's
• 42:45
  the thing, Tom, this is the great thing about evil and evil if
• 42:50
  he crashed the jump and got a concussion in this instance, as he did,
• 42:53
  he would say, I pledge to come back to this town and attempt
• 42:58
  that jump again. You people have seen me fail that jump. You're gonna
• 43:02
  see me make it. I promise you that he's a fucking pro. In
• 43:07
  all fairness to me, I mean, he's com fucking deranged, all the
• 43:10
  concussions. But you know what the genius bit of that is. Go on,
• 43:16
  you're not getting in for free the second Oh god no, no,
• 43:20
  sorry. As I said, go on, I knew exactly what it was.
• 43:22
  It's a you know, it's like he nearly throw it. You know,
• 43:25
  it's like you have these these questionable fucking fight decisions. When it comes
• 43:30
  to, like, you know, the the rematch, you'll often see like
• 43:34
  you know, you know, somebody will win and it will be on points
• 43:37
  in the first first fight, and let's run it back. We'll run it
• 43:40
  back. That's what we're doing next fight, six months time, let's run
• 43:44
  it back. All of a sudden, it's a SMIT decision the other way
• 43:45
  and you're like, yeah, one second second, have the trilogy. We
• 43:52
  gotta have the trilogy, and everybody's nobody's getting in for free on the trilogy
• 43:55
  either. It's the it's the handiest way. You got money twice because Tom
• 44:00
  like if you went to see a man jump fifteen cars and he didn't make
• 44:05
  it, and he came back around the next time to try that jump again.
• 44:08
  Number one, you're absolutely going to go see it, because if you're
• 44:12
  invested in him and wish him well, you want to see him make it.
• 44:15
  God damnit, he's going to try. But more to the point,
• 44:16
  if he crashed it last time, this time you're bringing your pals, you're
• 44:22
  bringing popcorn and your mates in all fads, you have got the fucking see
• 44:27
  this guy. Can you imagine how like how little was going on with that
• 44:30
  much adrenaline on it. You know, there's there's you know, Friday night
• 44:34
  lights with the with the college football or the local football team. You know,
• 44:37
  there's a kind of phrase from a full metal jacket, his finger banging
• 44:42
  Old Mary Jane rottencratch next door, and that's you know what, tell me?
• 44:46
  It's this or the all night gas station, right, that's it?
• 44:50
  Or down it's down at the diner and you're eating fucking burgers on the yak
• 44:52
  the clips onto this idea of fucking your door. That's it? That is
• 44:55
  it? All right? So he went back to jump that fifth that fifteen
• 45:00
  car thing as well, and this time he broke his left wrist, his
• 45:04
  right knee, two ribs, like and I dare say, if you want
• 45:08
  to do it again, he was gonna. But all he's doing is getting
• 45:12
  this reputation as this crazy, wild ass, fucking guy who does these things.
• 45:19
  And sometimes he makes it and it's beautiful, you know what, Tom,
• 45:22
  Sometimes he doesn't. That's just fine too. I was just gonna say,
• 45:27
  and it's beautiful, it is beautiful. I mean, why do we
• 45:30
  watch these gladatorial sports? Nobody wants to watch it where a guy just wins
• 45:34
  by choking another guy. No, you want to see an eye socket broken,
• 45:37
  You want to see somebody's ear fall off, a broken leg. You
• 45:40
  want to see horror, because that's what we're fucking programmed since the dawn of
• 45:45
  time. We want to see horror. There's no way. I can't say
• 45:50
  it any better. And I forget which one of them it was, but
• 45:52
  it was on one of the Jackass movies or the Jackass TV show and then
• 45:55
  set up some stunt and I forget which guy was doing it. But the
• 45:58
  we're gonna jump from here, and you know, jack Caster, it's never
• 46:00
  gone, you know. But the cameraman asks one of the bystanders. He
• 46:06
  goes like, do you think he's gonna make it? And the guy goes,
• 46:08
  who cares? That's so true. I don't care. I care ship
• 46:17
  I care, but I don't care either way because I just cared different either
• 46:22
  way. If he makes it, I'll be so pumped for him and we
• 46:24
  all got to. But if he absolutely wipes out and bounces off the ground
• 46:29
  like a fucking licorice fucking stick that falls out of your fucking out of a
• 46:32
  bag of sweets you're eating, then I'm happy to see that too. So
• 46:37
  there you go. Uh, Evil Canievel hadn't yet become the Evil Caneval we
• 46:43
  know, Tom, but he was, you know. It was the household
• 46:47
  was literally a name that it became like what is the like? You know.
• 46:54
  It became a name that mother shouted at their sons. Literally, I
• 46:58
  got it. I got you to Evil can Evel over there. It was
• 47:01
  a trope. It was a thing that just you would say, look at
• 47:04
  evil can Evil. Oh yeah, look fucking Evil Canevel over here, you
• 47:07
  know, And all you did was stand up too fast, right. Yeah.
• 47:10
  So in nineteen sixty seven he went to Las Vegas. But he wasn't
• 47:15
  working. Okay, it wasn't like you know, he went to do a
• 47:17
  Vegas show. He wasn't that guy yet, right, right right. He
• 47:22
  went as a spectator to a boxing match. He was twenty nine years of
• 47:29
  age at this time. So he went to his boxing match in Las Vegas.
• 47:31
  You've been there as well, Tom, And he was outside Caesar's Palace
• 47:37
  looking at the fountains. I've done that, and he said to himself,
• 47:42
  I'm going to jump across those didn't think that for a fucking moment, not
• 47:45
  even close, Jerry. I did not. I thought about jumping in it
• 47:49
  and looking for coins. But I know, not for a fucking millisecond that
• 47:54
  I think I need to get some fucking wheels and jump that thing. I'm
• 47:59
  going to jump one hundred and forty one feet from left to right of the
• 48:05
  fountains at Caesar's Palace, and that's what I'm going to do. I have
• 48:10
  memories from the nineties. Now, I know he was out of action from
• 48:14
  then, like, but I mean I have vig memories from the nineties of
• 48:15
  lads. Were they replicating his ship or something in Vegas as well. It
• 48:20
  might mean the blessing. More on that, More on that in the more
• 48:22
  on that in the closing ceremony here, that's okay, No, that's a
• 48:28
  very I remember that as well, distinctly, And that's why I always thought
• 48:30
  to myself that I had seen evil evil despite the Yeah, that's how powerful
• 48:36
  his name was that in our memories, it's like the Mandela effect. We're
• 48:38
  like, yeah, he was riding around up until two weeks ago, could
• 48:42
  have sworn, yeah, we've seen like every every motorcycle jump was evil Canievel,
• 48:45
  every monster truck was big fort like, yeah, yeah, we've got
• 48:50
  no room in our brains for a second one of these things. So I
• 48:53
  don't know how the fuck he did this time, but he persuaded the good
• 48:55
  folks that Las Vegas too allowed this to happen, that it were have the
• 49:00
  pomp and ceremony that would set it up, they would set up as it
• 49:01
  was, but a fucking mafia jerry, they would have let him could rock
• 49:06
  it up his hole to shoot himself across the So that's and that's what it
• 49:13
  was now. And he didn't get television coverage. This is an important thing
• 49:15
  about this jump. Tom. He didn't get television coverage of it, but
• 49:20
  he got television coverage because of it, right right, right, Okay,
• 49:27
  because at the time, like this wasn't the thing that people watched on TV.
• 49:30
  There wasn't like the motorcycle jumping show. Yeah, yeah, it would.
• 49:36
  It would be like going. It would be like going and saying like,
• 49:37
  you know, oh, why don't you take the clown from the circus
• 49:39
  and give him a TV show? You No, the clown belongs in the
• 49:43
  circus. That's where he is. It was motorcycle jumping. Yeah, to
• 49:47
  pardon the pond and the phrase, but it was too big of a jump
• 49:52
  for TV. People were suits and ties, yeah, and crazy folk stayed
• 49:57
  in the fucking carnival. Yeah, exactly. You know, you do your
• 50:00
  motorcycle jumping in the car park at the back of sears, and that's that's
• 50:05
  what you do it. Yeah, but this changed it. Okay. So
• 50:08
  before we get into this, Tim, there's one hundred and forty one foot
• 50:12
  leap over the power about I'm telling you, Tom, all right, let's
• 50:19
  talk about how evil Canievel jumped. This is really what I've been chomping at.
• 50:24
  This is what we want to get into. Okay. Yeah, So
• 50:28
  Tom, you and I have all seen motorcycle jumping today where it's people on
• 50:35
  like scramblers and the John Connor bike, and they've got like bouncy suspension and
• 50:38
  they're they're built for it. Okay, yes they're motorbikes, yes, but
• 50:43
  they're light, not l like that you can pick them up. But they're
• 50:46
  a light machine because they've got places to go and these places do not involve
• 50:51
  touching on the ground. Yeah, they're built for these things. Yes,
• 50:57
  Evil Canevel jumped in his early days with a Triumph motorbike and later with a
• 51:01
  Harley Davidson, A fucking hardy, a Harley Davidson, not just christ it
• 51:07
  must be stressed, not a modified Harley Davidson, not modified and off the
• 51:15
  rack. Harley Davidson, perhaps tweaked and souped up a little bit in terms
• 51:21
  of engine, but just as heavy as the bicycle that fucking Captain America drives,
• 51:27
  an easy rider. And that's Peter Fond, the Captain America. What
• 51:30
  the fuck. There's no difference that a fucking tank, an absolute tank.
• 51:37
  There was nothing to the suspension of it that would make it, you know,
• 51:44
  bounce when you arrived at the other side of a jump. Okay,
• 51:46
  this is actually now that we're getting into the nuts and boats. But I'm
• 51:50
  now terrified because I can pick up. I want the listeners to close your
• 51:53
  eyes for a second. Okay, it doesn't have to be Caesar's Ballace,
• 51:57
  but if you can remember a madge in Caesar's Palace, You're at the top
• 52:00
  of a fucking, holy fuck pov. You're on this fucking thing that's only
• 52:07
  meant for cruising, big old fucking tank, down the fucking ramp and over
• 52:14
  a fucking fountain and you're floating through the fucking air, praying to fuck that
• 52:17
  off. Two wheels, land and land straight and don't bounce you off into
• 52:22
  another fucking state. It's it's it's it's incredible to think about it, Tom,
• 52:27
  And even like that's think about him jumping the fucking rattlesnakes like you know
• 52:30
  that's back. There was literally no modification that was an off the shelf motorcycle.
• 52:35
  Well it was. It was Palmerise. I mean, they were a
• 52:38
  fine motorcycle on for the day, Like I had to put myself on his
• 52:44
  saddle up until now you talked about the type of bike it is, and
• 52:47
  holy fuck, we've all been in the falling scenario, We're going it's an
• 52:52
  elbow broke. It's an elbow broke. I'm gonna break my elbow. This
• 52:54
  is great, I'm gonna look at my shoulder. Great. This is fucking
• 52:59
  dish the capital forget about it. Like, for example, you know,
• 53:05
  all I can say is, have you ever ridden a horse? Yeah?
• 53:08
  Okay, so you know that when you ride a horse, you don't sit
• 53:12
  in the saddle, No, just sit down like it's a bicycle and ride
• 53:15
  it. You kind of it's sort of so you're sort of half standing on
• 53:21
  the stirrups you are. You have to kind of bounce in a trot with
• 53:22
  the horse because if you try, if you don't, like, I don't
• 53:27
  believe we're actually meant to be on the fockers at all, really, because
• 53:30
  you have to modify your sit into a very kind of floaty, bouncy thing
• 53:35
  and you go with the horses vibe. Now, when you build the muscles
• 53:37
  that can do that, then it becomes absolute second nature. But for the
• 53:42
  first few times you ride, it's like, oh, this is fucking dreadful,
• 53:45
  this is I'm not letting me on this at all. But you do.
• 53:47
  You have to go with the horse like sitting as you said, that's
• 53:51
  that funny blah blah blah blah blah when people bounce up and down for the
• 53:53
  first time when the horse gets into the trot. Yeah, yeah, and
• 53:57
  you're and you and you're going like this up and down. But like,
• 54:00
  but you kind of have to sort of stabilize yourself to be in the same
• 54:07
  place no matter whether the horse is going up or down kind of. And
• 54:09
  that's why, like when you when you get off a horse for the first
• 54:14
  time, you know you're fucked. Yeah, because I've never you've never stood
• 54:19
  like this before in your life to do anything, speaking fart nothing, like,
• 54:22
  you've never stood like this before in your life. So that's how evil
• 54:25
  can Evil would get himself from A to B. You can't do a jump
• 54:30
  in a seeded position, yes, correct, So that's why you'll see Evil
• 54:36
  can. Evel's got a very sort of iconic jump. When he leaves the
• 54:38
  ramp, he sort of has to stand up and lean himself forward a little
• 54:43
  bit, Oh my god, to stop the bicycle from naturally just pulling back
• 54:46
  up into the air because the heavy stuff is at the back of the engine,
• 54:50
  et cetera. So he has to sort of stand up like a ski
• 54:52
  jumper and lean forward to pull the car. For pull the car, pull
• 54:57
  the motorcycle forward to stop from flipping backwards. And then he has to be
• 55:01
  in the right position when it lands. Then when it lands with all its
• 55:07
  weight, he's not sitting on the saddle, yeah, because it'll blow his
• 55:12
  fucking asshole wide open, because it'll fucking absolutely puncture his sphincter. Yeah,
• 55:17
  So he has to sort of land and bounce with it. And if you
• 55:22
  do that right, then you land correctly. But you also have to have
• 55:27
  the upper body strength to hold the handlebars in a straight line so that the
• 55:30
  front wheel is in line with the back so that it doesn't skid out around
• 55:34
  like this, or that the handlebars don't wobble left or right. So you
• 55:37
  have to be like a very tremendously sort of strong individual with a lot of
• 55:42
  core strength and all this kind of thing. But this is the fifties.
• 55:45
  They were just like era, fucking what's your core? What is your core?
• 55:50
  We don't know. Clench your arsen and fucking go for it. Lad.
• 55:54
  It's the non modified bite that fucking absolutely terrifies me, because in my
• 55:59
  head I had it that he but the thing bottomed out more fucking times when
• 56:02
  you watch, like there's whole videos of just Even and Evil crashes, and
• 56:07
  every time he crashes, the fucking bike completely bottoms out, pisses its pants,
• 56:12
  he breaks both its fucking wrists, and his cock is now inside his
• 56:15
  fucking chest cavity. Yeah, and I'll tell you what's better again, Tom,
• 56:21
  Like these days or you and I that grew up watching stuntmasters and all
• 56:24
  this kind of crack, we would know that. It's like, you know,
• 56:27
  okay, this is very very precise calculation stuff. We know this is
• 56:31
  what I wanted to get into it a right, a forty seven degree ramp
• 56:36
  with a car that weighs x amount of ton needs to travel at eighty seven
• 56:42
  miles per hour to clear fifty feet. And if you want to clear fifty
• 56:45
  feet, then you need a forty three degree ramp with a car traveling at
• 56:47
  ninety five miles an hour. They've done the sums, Okay, they've literally
• 56:51
  worked the physics of it. Yep, that wasn't the case with Even So
• 56:58
  did he bring a stock ramp around with him? Like gone, they brought
• 57:00
  a stock They brought a stock ramp around with him. He sensed the kind
• 57:05
  of gist of it to give it a bit of lift there, Marris,
• 57:10
  you know, And and he had kind of like rather than go buy a
• 57:14
  speed omitter or anting like that, because as he said, like, you
• 57:15
  know, I can't look down when I'm on my and a lot of this
• 57:20
  could be Carney talk as well, like you know, to take a lot
• 57:22
  of this to the grave, I have to be so focused that I can't
• 57:23
  possibly look down at a speedometor so he would have like a flagman along the
• 57:30
  way that we basically gave him the thumbs up. You're good. He's got
• 57:34
  to start. You're left there, I've got to stop watch. You're good,
• 57:36
  evil, you're good. This is as he's driving at sixty mile an
• 57:38
  hour or whatever it be. You're good, You're good, You're good.
• 57:40
  And basically once he got to a point he was like, am either good
• 57:45
  or I'm not. I can't turn away from this. I'm like on the
• 57:47
  ramp now, I'm going too fast to stop good or I'm not good?
• 57:52
  So fuck it. Here we go. Like like you have to imagine a
• 57:58
  few times, he's half way up the ramp and he's gone just for safety's
• 58:04
  sake, Will I give it an extra bit of sauce? And I can't
• 58:07
  imagine that there's a lower level of sauce you would give it, Tom,
• 58:10
  I'd have it at the fucking height it could possibly be at. But what
• 58:15
  I'm saying is like you could give it too much sauce and then way beyond
• 58:19
  the next ramp, you know that kind of way like you going, will
• 58:21
  I just give it a little blip? And that was this, you know,
• 58:23
  that was his failing was like, oh no, the trottle too much?
• 58:30
  Yeah, I told you my flag, my flag up evil? What
• 58:32
  the fuck? I just you know, when you're this is it like it's
• 58:38
  what we watched today, Tom, Or when we see these kids doing the
• 58:42
  X Games or anything like that, they know they're gonna make it buy and
• 58:46
  large a Barron something catastrophic along the way. They know that the mats works.
• 58:58
  Which have you seen their training parks, Like there's this giant, big
• 59:01
  fucking foam tank. Yeah, yeah, the bike and all goes flying in.
• 59:07
  It's like a grand grand I just did seven twenty backwards there. But
• 59:15
  it's fine, and he do it all day until you get it right.
• 59:17
  So the fear, like the fear wouldn't be there so much because you nailed
• 59:21
  it so many times, you practice so many times, you could do with
• 59:23
  your eyes glows. This mad fucker showing up, putting out his fagging,
• 59:28
  going right on, but I'm off. This is the Daredevil of Daredevil's Tom,
• 59:32
  like, this is the truest sense of the word. You might make
• 59:36
  it, but you're gonna be yeah jeez. And that was it on his
• 59:45
  Caesar's Palace jump. Spoiler alert. He doesn't make it, but here we
• 59:50
  are on his Caesar's Palace jump. He was in Caesar's Palace in his leathers.
• 59:57
  Okay, he hadn't quite adopted into the He was, you know,
• 1:00:00
  the evil can Eevil. We know Tom is very much like Iron Man at
• 1:00:05
  the end of the First Iron Man. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:00:07
  yeah yeah, whereas this evil can Eevil is kind of like the silver Iron
• 1:00:10
  Man from the middle of the movie. He's just like, Okay, he's
• 1:00:14
  got he just hasn't got the iconic letters all down. Ah. He's in
• 1:00:19
  caesar Palace. He puts one hundred dollars on the blackjack table. He loses.
• 1:00:25
  He takes a shot a while turkey and says, probably not a good
• 1:00:29
  sign. You know what, Jesus Christ, what a man? What a
• 1:00:37
  fucking man? And still not a man? Still not up? Like,
• 1:00:42
  yeah, where we are and we now give you permission to pose the Tom
• 1:00:47
  and Jerry show and go look up YouTube fudge of Evil canevels Caesar's Palace jump.
• 1:00:54
  He just doesn't make it. The back wheel of the bike clips the
• 1:01:00
  top of the ramp as he comes down, and it's enough to jerk Evil
• 1:01:05
  Canevel's hands clean off the handlebars. So there's like a moment where he's on
• 1:01:12
  the motorbike with his hands up in a wee position like a roller coaster.
• 1:01:16
  Yeah, and the front wheel of the of the bike turns and he goes
• 1:01:22
  completely head over heels and Tom. He smashes into the concrete so fucking hard.
• 1:01:30
  He flips around. It's like a broken doll, isn't it. The
• 1:01:31
  way is like a smashed up doll. There's just no skele, little structure
• 1:01:38
  in him. It just looks like he's made of jelly. It's stretch armsong
• 1:01:43
  throw it stretched armstrong in a fucking washing machine. He crushed his pelvis,
• 1:01:49
  he broke his femur, he fractured his hip, he broke boked ankles,
• 1:01:54
  he was cussed. He was fucked. Tom. This is worse than the
• 1:01:59
  time hitting the balls with a helmet. And to be fair, at least
• 1:02:04
  there was a bit of fucking wildness. He just clipped that ramp. I
• 1:02:07
  mean, last time he clipped a ramp that we know, I've busted over
• 1:02:09
  the snakes out over fucking boot or beat. I mean, that would have
• 1:02:14
  been funny as fuck there is for his team, there was nothing funny about
• 1:02:19
  this scenario. There was a team, do you know, Well, there
• 1:02:22
  wasn't a team before. But I'll tell you one thing, Tom, there
• 1:02:24
  was a team after. Okay, because he was rushed off the hospital.
• 1:02:28
  People claimed he died. It was in all the papers that he was in
• 1:02:30
  a coma for a month or whatnot. Now whether that was or wasn't the
• 1:02:32
  case, whether he was in a coma for a month or no great story
• 1:02:36
  whe or whether he was just working it a little bit, but he was
• 1:02:38
  definitely fucked. He did smash up a whole pile of bones. But what
• 1:02:43
  this made him was it made him one of the most famous people in America.
• 1:02:46
  This is pre internet days and people who are calling their local news stations
• 1:02:51
  going can you please play the footage of Evil Candiel not making it even Canevel
• 1:02:54
  had tried to get on a TV show called Wide World of Sports, which
• 1:02:59
  was kind of like like Grandstand back in the days. It was like a
• 1:03:04
  mixed from gathering of a bit of everything, you know. And I guess
• 1:03:07
  they didn't have money to show NBA games or American Football games, but they
• 1:03:12
  could show you a shot button or fucking jet ski and ship like this,
• 1:03:19
  and so be it. They could. They could show you motorcycle jump and
• 1:03:22
  they were there like, please, Wide World of Sports, can we see
• 1:03:24
  Evil Canevel? And they're like, ah no, but we'll play the audio
• 1:03:31
  and it's just the audio of smashing bones and then we're like, oh,
• 1:03:36
  you fucking good, we have to see this guy. But if that's what
• 1:03:40
  it sounds like, we got to see it. So that's after that he
• 1:03:44
  was very welcome on Wide World of Sports. And it because Wide World of
• 1:03:47
  Sports was nationwide. That is what made Evil can Eevil a failure actually made
• 1:03:54
  a failure made yeah, and and and that's when he started to go from
• 1:03:59
  play in from playing from doing jumps in like race courses and things to actually
• 1:04:03
  fill in stadiums. He would get twenty thousand people showing up to see him
• 1:04:08
  jump from A to B and not for nothing. Tom. This is when
• 1:04:11
  he like, this is when he became Evil Canievil. Okay, this is
• 1:04:15
  when he had the star spangled jumpsuit. This is when he had like the
• 1:04:21
  little cape, and this is when you had like the helmet with the stars
• 1:04:26
  and stripes on him. As he said himself, like, you know,
• 1:04:28
  he looked at Elvis in the jumpsuits, and he looked at like Liberaci as
• 1:04:33
  a showman and a singer and all this kind of thing, and it's like
• 1:04:35
  James Brown. I was like, he's got his James Brown moment, like
• 1:04:39
  yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. And it's one thing to be
• 1:04:42
  Johnny Cash, a guy and dressed all in black playing the guitar and a
• 1:04:45
  lone spotlight in the middle of the stage. That's fine, That's not what
• 1:04:48
  Evil Caneval wanted to be. He wanted to be this larger than life showman,
• 1:04:54
  and that is what he became. He became a literal superhero figure in
• 1:04:59
  an actual ca costume that like, you know, kids across America could close
• 1:05:02
  her eyes and draw Evil Canevel white blue v stars. He's packing out stadium,
• 1:05:11
  two towns around their neck and have their own cave, yeah, and
• 1:05:15
  going for it like you know, it's it's it's very funny to think,
• 1:05:18
  Tom, like, you know, before Evil Canievel, did kids ride bicycles
• 1:05:21
  over ramps? Probably not? Probably not like it. It literally was seeing
• 1:05:29
  somebody fly through the air. And again this is before dukes of hazard.
• 1:05:31
  This is before smoking in the band, Like you didn't see this kind of
• 1:05:34
  thing before the car the Corkscrew and James Bond. Yes, yeah, this
• 1:05:39
  is hal Ashby wodden't doing this shit at the time, right, he is
• 1:05:43
  making money, fucking hand over fist. Okay, he's making twenty five thousand
• 1:05:48
  dollars per jump on. This is nineteen sixty odd money. Okay. This
• 1:05:53
  is when the the the the toy companies comes in. Okay, this is
• 1:05:59
  where your Evil Canievel toy yeah comes in. And I want to hear about
• 1:06:04
  this tight time because I've never held one in my hand, but I've seen
• 1:06:08
  them and like walk me through, buddy, I wish I well, of
• 1:06:13
  course, like many of these things, I wish I still had it and
• 1:06:15
  it was I got. I mean, I've gotten I've gotten toys that were
• 1:06:17
  replicas since then. I'm sure they. They went into production for years throughout
• 1:06:21
  the eighties, but this was it was die cast. It was a metal
• 1:06:25
  one, and it fair enough becauses in America were very good with toys when
• 1:06:30
  they bring home with you know, they bring on a thing like like if
• 1:06:33
  it was to go the other way right the recycling, you know, oh
• 1:06:39
  thanks, like I fucked up stuff, this fucking thing and everything worked like
• 1:06:45
  you could. You pulled him back and you just let him go. You
• 1:06:49
  let him go. He was It was the full jumpsuit, the whole lot.
• 1:06:53
  The helmet came off. If I did it. Did the helmet come
• 1:06:55
  off? I can't remember. But you could pull him back, and man,
• 1:07:00
  I made jumps out of fucking everything with that fella, every fucking thing.
• 1:07:04
  He went down the banister, the banister stairs, and because of course
• 1:07:09
  he was metal, it's just ding ding, dingling. I can still hear
• 1:07:13
  the sound of him clattening across the fucking kitchen floor. That's incredible. I've
• 1:07:16
  got a couple of bags of flower, You've got the fucking you know that,
• 1:07:19
  you've got the children's fucking encyclopedia. And he got off and flying over
• 1:07:25
  the cat because you're try and shove the cat underneath it, because of course
• 1:07:28
  you need some element of danger and fucking hell tonight, endless, endless because
• 1:07:33
  there was no there was no there was nothing connected to it. You know,
• 1:07:38
  if you've got one of these in Ireland in the eighties, what was
• 1:07:41
  it connected to it was? You know, it was just jumping man on
• 1:07:44
  motorbike. This was evil canevel in your eye. This was the man evil
• 1:07:47
  evil like. It's a it's like it's one of the first sort of like
• 1:07:55
  dolls for boys when it came out, like in the sixties or some such,
• 1:07:58
  because they wouldn't have had he men and all the kind of ship g
• 1:08:00
  I Joe? How old is he? G I Joe would have been like
• 1:08:03
  one of the very earliest ones. Yes, and then Evil can Eevil came
• 1:08:06
  along as well, and then it was like, okay, we'll take all
• 1:08:10
  of this. You fucking got it was all right for a boy. Like
• 1:08:12
  at the time, it was like a boy doesn't play with a doll.
• 1:08:14
  It's not a doll. It's an action figure, well like, and it's
• 1:08:16
  an action figure on a motorbike that you wind up and it does a real
• 1:08:19
  guy of an actual reason, an actual guy. Yeah, and and like
• 1:08:24
  you know, even the most hardened you know dads in America wouldn't be like,
• 1:08:28
  well, I don't want my boy playing with dolls and be like,
• 1:08:30
  oh shit, you're doing it wrong. He was forget about it. He
• 1:08:36
  had pinball machines, live appearances, he beyond like Johnny Carson and all this
• 1:08:41
  kind of ship which I always hear Americans say, oh, he was on
• 1:08:44
  Johnny Carson, which I'm only assuming is like their like Kenny live right with
• 1:08:47
  Carson made or he made, or like you're made if you got on Carson,
• 1:08:51
  like the likes of Don Rickles was, if you were on a Don
• 1:08:56
  Rickles night, like or you know, Don Rickles and fuck and Sinatra were
• 1:09:00
  on and you another guest, You're golden for the rest of your life.
• 1:09:04
  You're getting booked in every club, every fucking thing, you know what I
• 1:09:08
  mean. Like Carson like the cool thing. Like I love watching old Carson
• 1:09:14
  stuff because Carson is so in er and I think he was doing a lot
• 1:09:17
  of coke at the time. I think Carson was just but yeah, that's
• 1:09:24
  at that time of the of lifetime. I mean, the doctors were probably
• 1:09:27
  fucking prescribing it. Well, let's be honest too, it's the seventies.
• 1:09:30
  The cocaine was probably really good. It was probably medicinal. At that point.
• 1:09:33
  He wasn't here's here's fucking uppers just to keep you Yeah, yeah,
• 1:09:40
  yeah, fucking born too late, Tom. H So you know what I'm
• 1:09:46
  going to tell you? How far is so far enough to jump? Tom?
• 1:09:51
  But it would seem one hundred and forty one feet over over? What
• 1:09:55
  do you call it? Honestly, they had they had. This was the
• 1:09:59
  problem with Evil Can. He had two problems. Number one, how do
• 1:10:01
  you live up to the legend? Okay, like you know, if you
• 1:10:06
  remember where, you know, going back to the carny days, when he
• 1:10:09
  comes back to your town, he has to jump a little further. That's
• 1:10:12
  as simple as that is. So every time he jumped, he had to
• 1:10:15
  jump a little bit further. He had to push it a little bit more.
• 1:10:16
  That is the life of a daredevil. And that was the standard that
• 1:10:19
  he kind of set for himself, as like, you know, you have
• 1:10:23
  to try it. The other thing is have we mentioned this earlier? Tom?
• 1:10:27
  He was a bit of a cunt. No harm to him because he
• 1:10:30
  was making all this money but he was also spending the tom he was drinking
• 1:10:33
  the bit out left and right. He was hoarn up and down America left
• 1:10:39
  and right, blatantly like a George Best style lifestyle where he's you know,
• 1:10:44
  his missus, missus bork was back home on our by our own, raising
• 1:10:47
  the kids by ourself, and he's a way off, like literally with a
• 1:10:50
  girl on each arm on the Johnny Carson Show, going like, what what
• 1:10:54
  are we going to do here? Johnny? Like you know, it's a
• 1:10:56
  it's a it's a hell of an evening. What are you doing? I
• 1:10:58
  know what I'm up to, Like it's it's the kind of thing that it's
• 1:11:00
  not hidden, it's just like completely out on Front Street. While he becomes
• 1:11:05
  the biggest star in America at the time, there was a movie made about
• 1:11:12
  the life of Evil Canievel while he was still alive in the early seventies,
• 1:11:15
  starring George Hamilton as Evil Canevel, and then as it rolled on, yeah,
• 1:11:21
  George Hamilton as the life of Evil Canevel, And I've seen some clips
• 1:11:25
  of it and it's like it's real, Like no, I gotta do this
• 1:11:29
  jump like it's it's as corny as fuck. Still and then where you're evade,
• 1:11:34
  where your egos at of your evil right then like do you know what
• 1:11:38
  I mean through the roof, And this is what I was going to say,
• 1:11:41
  Like you know some people like the Okay, you know he had a
• 1:11:44
  shit start to life and then you straighten up and fly right. But it
• 1:11:45
  seems that you know, he was just like fuck it, I've got this
• 1:11:49
  now, I'm just gonna party. I'm just gonna rock it the the wheels
• 1:11:53
  fall off. So yes, he was making twenty thousand dollars per jump and
• 1:11:57
  he had that fucking time Wheney coming in That made him genue in millions,
• 1:12:00
  Tom millions within an m because that when that time I came out. Forget
• 1:12:04
  about it, every kid wanted to for Christmas in case they broke one and
• 1:12:08
  they got them. They were throwing money out of pain mam, machines a
• 1:12:11
  whole lot. Forget about it. This is like next level superstardom, untold
• 1:12:16
  riches. But you got but you gotta land the bike, Tom, Yeah,
• 1:12:21
  you gotta land the bike. Yeah, you gotta land the bike.
• 1:12:25
  Okay. So what that brings us up to, Tom is his one true
• 1:12:30
  ambition in life. Okay, Like we've got to remember, this man's a
• 1:12:32
  Carney at heart. Okay, what's coming this one? We all know he's
• 1:12:35
  going. He's a circus guy, Tom, He's always got that one dream
• 1:12:41
  that this is the show that I'm going to put on. The show he
• 1:12:44
  wanted to do was he wanted to jump across the Grand Canyon. That's right,
• 1:12:48
  that's fucking right. Wellhy wouldn't you? And let's look at the logistics
• 1:12:54
  of that, Tom, do you know what I'm here? Do you know
• 1:12:57
  what I'm here? Remember Uncle Chip in Napoleon Dynamite when they're sitting at the
• 1:13:01
  back porch, He's like, when I could have gone all stays Yeah,
• 1:13:06
  when I was in high school, I could have thrown this fuck ball over
• 1:13:10
  that mountain. No, you fucking couldn't miles away. Like the thing that
• 1:13:19
  was stopping them from jumping the Grand Canyon wasn't just the fucking size of the
• 1:13:24
  Grand Canyon. The Grand Canyon is part of like the Parks Department of America
• 1:13:30
  or whatever the fuck they call it. And they were just like, no,
• 1:13:31
  sorry, you're not coming into this area of untold beauty and building a
• 1:13:38
  ramp and bringing in a fucking circus full of people to do this, that's
• 1:13:41
  not happening sor so, No, you will not be jumping the Grand Canyon
• 1:13:45
  for this and many other fucking reasons. So even Caneval says, all right,
• 1:13:49
  like you know, I need a canyon I can jump. So we
• 1:13:53
  basically bought a whole pile of property on an area called the Snake River Canyon.
• 1:13:59
  Great name, exactly. I mean, if you're going to die in
• 1:14:01
  a canyon, it's kind of serendipitous that he's jumping over Snake Canyon after his
• 1:14:06
  first ever jump, like you know, I mean, like you know,
• 1:14:10
  you started from snakes, now you're in like one big gass fucking snake.
• 1:14:15
  So we bought the property Tom with the intention of jumping over and selling tickets
• 1:14:18
  and having like a little because it was the fucking arshole and over right,
• 1:14:24
  So what he was going to have was like sort of like an electric picnic
• 1:14:26
  style festival over a number of days where he drew a crowd to it of
• 1:14:30
  like twenty thousand, thirty thousand people and they had a little firefest because it
• 1:14:35
  was a shipthold, no running water, everybody's like screaming and crying, and
• 1:14:40
  then at the end of it all, you know. It culminated with evil
• 1:14:45
  Canievil jumping across this canyon, right all right, yeah, so a couple
• 1:14:50
  of problems with that. All right, Ah, you can't jump in a
• 1:14:56
  motorcycle. This man is busting this hole to jump one hundred and forty one
• 1:14:59
  feet okay, Right, So it was kind of like, I'm going to
• 1:15:05
  jump in a motorcycle, terms and conditions apply. He was gonna jump in
• 1:15:11
  a very specially built motorcycle. He's gonna jump it in a rocket powered motorcycle.
• 1:15:16
  Well, there we go, That's what I was thinking. I was
• 1:15:18
  like, well, what else would you pick? Okay, and then like
• 1:15:23
  to see you know, this thing in reality, it's a rocker like.
• 1:15:31
  It may have it may have wheels on it to wheel it to where it
• 1:15:34
  needs to be, but they're the similarities to any sort of wheelid item end.
• 1:15:42
  Yeah, it fucking two wheels does not a motorbike, make no,
• 1:15:45
  this is an actual like uh, like this is what Tintin went to the
• 1:15:49
  moon, and I fucking he's a ball. I love this guy. He's
• 1:16:02
  absently how many blows to the head, Like it's clearly getting worse and worse
• 1:16:06
  for this guy because clearly, well he's out of his fucking mind. The
• 1:16:13
  wife's at home, He's on national television with two birds. He's like,
• 1:16:16
  what we we we are? Where we are? You know? You know
• 1:16:21
  it's it's you gotta drink a lot to have nerves of steel to jump a
• 1:16:26
  grand canyon. Not the grand canyon, just a grand size of a canyon,
• 1:16:31
  the Steake River canyon. So this is this is he got the crowd,
• 1:16:34
  don't get me wrong, And he got national and it was like a
• 1:16:36
  media scrum that was press everywhere, and it kind of dragged on because it
• 1:16:43
  was supposed to be this day and then it was it was put off for
• 1:16:45
  a fortnight, and it was put off for weeks because of the ramp wasn't
• 1:16:48
  built and that all this kind of horseshit, and it was dragging and draggon,
• 1:16:51
  and people were sort of saying, like, you know, this is
• 1:16:54
  some carny bullshit. This is like, this is never going to happen whatsoever.
• 1:16:58
  And this is from everybody of course at the time, right yeah,
• 1:17:02
  and not for nothing as well. The festival itself drew an incredibly this reputable
• 1:17:09
  crowd because evil and evil had run a foul along the way of the Hell's
• 1:17:14
  Angels, the actual fuck sons of anarchy, Hell's Angels, because he was
• 1:17:18
  doing infomercials, like you know, he was trying to get back to the
• 1:17:21
  community, I suppose, but he was giving it doing infomercials for where where,
• 1:17:26
  Where You're where, Always wear a helmet when you're on a motorbike,
• 1:17:29
  kids and kids don't attempt anything that you see here. And then also not
• 1:17:32
  for nothing, everything in any be like, oh, by the way,
• 1:17:34
  fuck the Hell's Angels. What, Yeah, I can't suck them. That's
• 1:17:39
  where the guy's head was at that. Like we've all we've all come across
• 1:17:44
  performers that when they blow up, they're staying humble, but they're every so
• 1:17:48
  often to be that maniaccurate, like, oh you thought you were born to
• 1:17:51
  be this, Yeah, you're a fucking lunatic now. And he just took
• 1:17:56
  that and fucking ball and ran with it. The only thing I will say
• 1:17:59
  is that he he had a lot of head drama. That's all I'm saying
• 1:18:02
  is he was absolute. There was fucking scrambled eggs inside his head. CT
• 1:18:08
  was not well known at the time Tom Hell's Angels. They're literally called the
• 1:18:15
  Hells and they you know, there's footage of a Hell's angel. Funny is
• 1:18:21
  these things go. There's footage of a Hell's angel like approaching them after a
• 1:18:26
  jump somewhere's he's after doing a jump in fuck knows where Boy's Idaho or wherever
• 1:18:30
  it is, and the Hell's angel like jumps to the rail and then runs
• 1:18:34
  for him to to kick the ship of them like in the arena. And
• 1:18:39
  then the crowd are like, oh, not too evil, you're not doing
• 1:18:42
  that. And then they rushed the Hen's angel and they beat the fucking dog
• 1:18:45
  piss out of them, and then the other Hell's so now it's one nil.
• 1:18:49
  And then the other Hell's angels jump in and there's just like it all
• 1:18:51
  out right and and evil and evil has been hauled out the back like real
• 1:18:55
  quick, and there's just like clear as the footage of these hells just getting
• 1:18:59
  fun. Smash me to the ground. Good night, they get a waffle.
• 1:19:03
  They're just beating the fuck out of this guy. Good night. If
• 1:19:05
  you were at it, like you know what I mean. Right, but
• 1:19:08
  now the Snake River Canyon is being jumped on. The L's Angels are like,
• 1:19:12
  all right, okay, fair enough, And this is like the action
• 1:19:15
  park of fucking jumps, Tom, there's no safety whatsoever. Beer is flowing
• 1:19:19
  like wine. There's like at the edge of the canyon where people are waiting
• 1:19:25
  to see this jump take place. There's like a rope you like, it's
• 1:19:30
  some fell in a brown coat like on step back step exactly. So the
• 1:19:35
  notion that this was a motorcycle jump that he ran, drove up to a
• 1:19:39
  ramp and hit it and coasted across this canyon like fucking Homer Simpson on the
• 1:19:42
  skateboard, Like, Yeah, that's not what greeted you when you got the
• 1:19:46
  Snake River. What you got was a damn near vertical ramp. So think
• 1:19:50
  of like a like a waterslide, Tom, think of like a damn near
• 1:19:54
  vertical waterslide, Yeah, with the X two skycycle at the bottom of it,
• 1:20:00
  pointing damn near straight up, with the intention that it would be launched
• 1:20:03
  into the sky an arc gracefully over the canyon, and then a parachute would
• 1:20:10
  be deployed and he would land on the other side. Now I'd be asking
• 1:20:15
  for money back if I was told that Evil Canievel was going to jump the
• 1:20:18
  Grand Canyon. Yeah, and he's got a parachute I'm not interested, and
• 1:20:27
  I'm and uh. But with that being said, there still is a high
• 1:20:33
  chance that this man is going to explode and die. Yeah, I'd probably
• 1:20:38
  hang around for that, alright, so you know, all right, Okay,
• 1:20:42
  it's not what I wanted, but I am hungry, so I will
• 1:20:44
  eat it fair enough. In the middle of all this evil Canievel's facing you
• 1:20:48
  know, he's doing press crumbs and they're just like the paparazzi are descending on
• 1:20:53
  him and they are like, mister Knievel is going to be this week.
• 1:20:56
  If you've been doing this jump for years, some people say you won't do
• 1:20:58
  it, some people won't, say you want this, And he goes full
• 1:21:00
  fucking airplane. He's like, what do you want? Man says you tell
• 1:21:06
  him to run up down the court. A couple of times he goes into
• 1:21:10
  the crowd. He's like, well, why don't you jump the canyon if
• 1:21:12
  you're done, you know, And he's like, he's been up for weeks
• 1:21:17
  drinking the bed out party and fucking rocking and roll and he's in no condition
• 1:21:20
  to be in front of the press. Like he's losing it. Tom,
• 1:21:24
  He's fucking losing it. If he ever had it before, right, So
• 1:21:28
  at the end of the day he just sits in the thing and goes,
• 1:21:30
  right, fuck era, fuck, do they want to see me jumper?
• 1:21:33
  We're going to jump her now. He had to have known him that this
• 1:21:36
  thing wasn't going to going to work? Was it that a trajectory? And
• 1:21:45
  everything sounds fucking all wrong even without looking at it quite how much it wasn't
• 1:21:50
  going to work remains to be seen, right, Okay, Like he knew
• 1:21:58
  he was getting on a thing that in every test launch had smashed into the
• 1:22:02
  side of the canyon. Oh okay, but he was in business. You
• 1:22:10
  know, he hit a whole pile of people that were investing money, and
• 1:22:13
  I'm like, you know, this was this was this was like all right,
• 1:22:16
  evil, like you know, we gotta kind of fucking do it now.
• 1:22:20
  Okay. Yeah, to be fair, he doesn't have a lot of
• 1:22:23
  strings to his bow. It's not jumping motorbikes over shit, So like that's
• 1:22:29
  it. This is it? So and not for nothing he was in he
• 1:22:33
  was he was in bed at this time with a businessman called Shelley Saltman who
• 1:22:39
  was helping bankroll all this and making him a household name. And he was
• 1:22:42
  like his good Palin business partner, more than Shelley Saltman in a minute,
• 1:22:45
  my good man, a name like that, for God's sake. So right,
• 1:22:49
  September eighth, nineteen seventy four, here we go. We're putting this
• 1:22:53
  X too somewhere over this canyon, right, Okay, Evil sits into the
• 1:22:59
  rocket. There's like thousands upon thousands of people. They are teetering on the
• 1:23:01
  edge of a cliff waiting to see this happen. Okay, the engines fire,
• 1:23:06
  the rocket goes up in the air, and almost immediately, almost immediately,
• 1:23:14
  the parachute springs out the back right right. I bet they had that
• 1:23:18
  set that was set for the sounds of things. Yeah, well, we're
• 1:23:23
  gonna do a bit of a fucking sycamore gap investigation of that. Okay,
• 1:23:27
  the rocket, Karen's down under the power of this parachute down to the bottom
• 1:23:32
  of the canyon. Everybody's peering over the side to see if Evil Canevel is
• 1:23:35
  alive or fucking dead or what the hell is the story here? Until eventually
• 1:23:40
  a boat, a dinghy that was at the river at the bottom of the
• 1:23:43
  canyon goes over and picks them up and takes them over into the middle of
• 1:23:46
  the canyon, and he's waving up at everybody, Yes, I survived them,
• 1:23:48
  Okay. He's visibly upset about this. He's furious that he didn't make
• 1:23:54
  the jump, he's furious that it didn't work, and he claims that there
• 1:23:57
  was a malfunction in the rocket that shot the parachute out too quick, and
• 1:24:03
  this is backed up by his team, and you can hear it on the
• 1:24:05
  audio that they're like, hey, Evil, it wasn't your fault. You
• 1:24:09
  know the rocket, you know, the guys said, Yeah, the parachute
• 1:24:13
  deployed too quick, blah blah blah, all this kind of crack wasn't your
• 1:24:16
  fault. Pile, God, damn it, Champion. You gave it your
• 1:24:18
  best go. You really did it. And remember what we said earlier about
• 1:24:21
  any time you didn't make a jump, you came back next year and you
• 1:24:25
  tried to do it again. Well, now we're fucking not, Paul.
• 1:24:27
  We're taking this money and we're running as fast as we can. Fucking hell,
• 1:24:31
  and they're in flip side of it. As the engineers later said that
• 1:24:41
  the parachute was controlled from inside by Evil Knievel himself on sort of a dead
• 1:24:46
  man lever that he had to hold a lever back. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:24:51
  so then if if he went limp or let go, or the g's got
• 1:24:55
  too much or whatever, he would let it go and out it came.
• 1:24:59
  And that the joke of the engine bursting him forward jerked the thing out of
• 1:25:02
  his hand. And that's why the parachute went off. It did exactly what
• 1:25:08
  it was designed to do, and it did deploy too early, But it
• 1:25:12
  deployed too early because evil can evil. Echo. Yeah, yeah, what
• 1:25:18
  do you think happened? He got the ships, You got the ships,
• 1:25:24
  or he never intended to make the jump in the first place, because he
• 1:25:27
  that's your fucking money one way. That's that's what I mean. The wheels
• 1:25:30
  were off the fucking wagon. The raw fucking the lad who jumped the snakes,
• 1:25:34
  that lad is gone. If the fucking limelight got the better of him,
• 1:25:39
  he fucking saw his mortality. He went, hold on, if I
• 1:25:44
  die, all the cool shit goes away. Yeah, who would I do
• 1:25:46
  that? I could just staying on Johnny Carson and just hanging out with birds
• 1:25:49
  in Vegas and stuff. This is fucking now, We'll put this fucking who
• 1:25:54
  haih fucking snake oil, fucking salesman, bullshit toget, pony show, dog
• 1:25:59
  and pony show. And look at I get the fucking parachute out at the
• 1:26:03
  right time, it'll still look cool as shit. And look they love me.
• 1:26:08
  They fucking love me anyway, They love me regardless. So look,
• 1:26:13
  it's let's do. It's fine because you know, I'm gonna go through a
• 1:26:20
  couple of stories now here we're actually get near in the end of the evil
• 1:26:24
  and Evil story trip be known. I'm gonna go through a couple of stories
• 1:26:28
  here where the old evil kind of comes back, or you see that the
• 1:26:31
  mentality of the show must go on. And fucking if I die, if
• 1:26:34
  he dies, he dies exists. It just doesn't seem to have existed in
• 1:26:42
  this instance. I think in this instance he was like, we're not fucking
• 1:26:45
  doing this, lad, so get me down safe. I suppose the money
• 1:26:50
  men got in ideas men get got in the raw. Let's put out a
• 1:26:56
  couple of wedges and a few buses and jump it. That that was gone
• 1:27:00
  out of the equation. He probably went along for the ride because he's probably
• 1:27:02
  steam steaming for the weeks running up to it. In a month's running up
• 1:27:05
  to it. He's went all right, right, right, right right,
• 1:27:08
  So what we're doing? What? What? What? What the fuck are
• 1:27:11
  we doing? We're a rocket? Uk. Okay, hey, Champ,
• 1:27:17
  check your trailer. I left twenty grand in there. Come back, come
• 1:27:20
  back after the weekend the party. We'll have this all fixed. Okay,
• 1:27:25
  Okay, you know that. You know what that was. That was a
• 1:27:29
  snake river jump. So we're going to take you on for another little bit.
• 1:27:31
  The man is still jumping, but he's going to take this show international.
• 1:27:35
  He's kind of milked America for a lot of money, and it's been
• 1:27:39
  around the shows and been around the stadiums, and I dare say he could
• 1:27:41
  keep coming back and coming back, but they've seen him increase the city of
• 1:27:45
  America for a long time. Here. Yeah, in all fairness, it's
• 1:27:47
  gonna it's gonna be hard to go back to a stadium and ask them to
• 1:27:50
  see him jump fifteen cars again. But they've never seen him jump fifteen cars
• 1:27:55
  in England, that's true. So he went over to England. This is
• 1:27:58
  the height of his start. This is like, you know, as big
• 1:28:00
  as it's possible to get. And he sold tickets to Wembley Stadium. Tom
• 1:28:08
  Wembley. She live aid Wembley Stadium. Okay, fucking hell, yeah it
• 1:28:14
  was nineteen I want to say seventy five, and he's going to jump and
• 1:28:17
  believe it was like eighteen red buses in the game. This is where I'm
• 1:28:20
  like with, yeah, eighteen red buses, but like two of them are
• 1:28:24
  underneath the take off ramp and two of them are underneath the landing ramps.
• 1:28:27
  So I mean, just there's some milk missagine of the figures there. But
• 1:28:30
  I'm not mad at you. And he uh he, Muhammad Ali the crowd
• 1:28:35
  into there, you know what I mean? Muhammad Ali. He didn't you
• 1:28:39
  know, there was as many people at the Muhammad Ali fight there to see
• 1:28:42
  him win as there was to see him get the shit kicked out of him.
• 1:28:44
  Because he was cocky and he was like what not so evil Canevel went
• 1:28:48
  over to Wembley Stadium, would foot call tickets sold, but he went on
• 1:28:53
  the talk shows and he did appearances at schools, and he was very much
• 1:28:57
  a cocky, brash American who won the war or for England, like you
• 1:29:00
  know, oh yeah, you guys, you know you love us Americans over
• 1:29:02
  here, so we helped you win with my team. Look at my teeth.
• 1:29:05
  Kids, I got the you know that had the kids money. Anyway,
• 1:29:11
  like the kids wanted to go see it, the parents didn't want to
• 1:29:13
  go see it until the dads that I want, I can, I can
• 1:29:15
  go see this guy die you with the fucking best of them. Yeah,
• 1:29:17
  yeah, I concur with all of that. So uh he did the big
• 1:29:24
  jump in Wembley Stadium. And this is the second time I believe in Tom
• 1:29:27
  and Jerry show history. Tom and the other instance happened during this podcast where
• 1:29:31
  we invite you to stop listening to us and go look at the footage of
• 1:29:40
  the Wembley jump because I don't think we can do it justice. He doesn't
• 1:29:45
  make it. Oh lovely, yeah lovely. He he. It is a
• 1:29:51
  catastrophe and he survives. He is the sefton of motorcycle crashes. My good
• 1:30:00
  Jesus Christ traveled sold all those you know what. But he gave the crowd
• 1:30:04
  kind of what they wanted. He gave the crowd. He gave the crowd
• 1:30:08
  what they wanted. He fucking eats shit on this like nobody I've ever seen
• 1:30:12
  in my life. It is absolutely fucking brutal. Tom. He's absolutely shattered
• 1:30:17
  the piece, his legs, broken hip, broken, ribs, gone risk,
• 1:30:21
  gone again, Like the man is fucking a porcelain doll that was dropped.
• 1:30:28
  But he has enough wherewithal to ask at the end of it to be
• 1:30:31
  lifted up so that he can walk out, and like his legs are spaghetti
• 1:30:40
  at this stage, like yeah, Jesus can't. He can't walk, So
• 1:30:45
  basically he's dragged out with his toes on the ground. But in the meantime
• 1:30:49
  he asks for a microphone to come over for an interview, and he tells
• 1:30:54
  the people of Wembley Stadium, ladies and gentlemen, you have seen my last
• 1:30:59
  jump. I will not jump again. Jesus Christ. What a man.
• 1:31:03
  A year later, he jumped again. Tom of course it's it. Of
• 1:31:06
  course he did. Because it's one thing to see evil can Eevil's farewell,
• 1:31:12
  but it's quite another thing to see has come back, Jesus Christ. But
• 1:31:15
  even if you're from an evil can Evel, you know that years you were
• 1:31:18
  in the hospital and all his hospital bills wreck up and all the rest.
• 1:31:21
  Because you don't have got that. You ain't got that limey insurance. You
• 1:31:26
  know it's gonna get I guess guarantee you the tank. It's fairly empty.
• 1:31:29
  By the I'm you know, the plans of fucking jumping again. The wheels
• 1:31:33
  started going to go. Heeah, guys, you know what, here's the
• 1:31:36
  thing. He still has that toy money coming in, because even if he
• 1:31:40
  never jumps another thing in his life, he is a national hero. He's
• 1:31:43
  a real life superhero. He's a real life action figure. And you can
• 1:31:46
  buy that goddamn toy. Yeah, and that is putting millions in his pocket,
• 1:31:51
  left, right and center. But he is drawn back out of retirement
• 1:31:56
  for one last jump several times. You know. It's it's it's the kind
• 1:32:01
  of thing where and I can't knock the grift of it. I can't knock
• 1:32:05
  the carny of it that. It's like the Eagles make comebacks all the time.
• 1:32:12
  Yeah, but again it's like James Brown going down on his knees and
• 1:32:15
  they put the towel around. It was like I can finish it off,
• 1:32:18
  you know, like it's it's it's you might have never wanted to see,
• 1:32:23
  you know, I use the Eagles again. You might say, well,
• 1:32:25
  I've never wanted to see the Eagles before, but like fuck, I might
• 1:32:27
  never get to see them again, so maybe I will get a ticket to
• 1:32:30
  it now. I mean, this could be the last hurrah. And he
• 1:32:33
  jumps a whole by the stuff and he's doing just fine. He breaks a
• 1:32:35
  couple of things here and there, but nothing like major like at this stage,
• 1:32:39
  he's just an habitual fucking limb breaker. He holds again his Book of
• 1:32:43
  World Records record for most limbs broken in a single human being, at around
• 1:32:46
  about four hundred and thirty. Oh my, but people are like, you
• 1:32:50
  know, if your arm's broken in two places, is that two breaks?
• 1:32:57
  I guess, Oh yeah, I mean there's he doesn't like four hundred and
• 1:33:00
  whatever. He's broken a few things a few times, do you know what
• 1:33:03
  I mean? Yeah, exactly like he's broken, you know. So,
• 1:33:06
  I mean, look at the nuts, for fuck's sake, he broke his
• 1:33:10
  nuts that kind. Does that count for two? What are we talking about
• 1:33:12
  here? Yeah? Yeah, you know. So there's a little bit of
• 1:33:15
  the massage of the figures there. But I'm not mad at the town.
• 1:33:17
  His last last jump, or his last attempt at jump. We was going
• 1:33:23
  to jump started from starter from Snake's tom There's only one place we can go
• 1:33:27
  from snake. God damn he's got to go back alligators more late seventies.
• 1:33:31
  What's in the movie theaters? Sharks? He's gonna jump himself a fucking tank
• 1:33:39
  full of sharks, all right, Yes he is, goddamn it, God
• 1:33:42
  to love him. He's literally going to jump the shark with late all right,
• 1:33:50
  where's this shark tank? Jer I don't fucking know. I don't I
• 1:33:55
  don't know whether he's jumping, you know, like a tank full of sharks
• 1:33:59
  or like the bay. I don't know what he's doing. But here's what
• 1:34:01
  it was. Tom. He didn't fucking make it. He didn't even get
• 1:34:04
  a chance to try it. He went to have a jump of it in
• 1:34:10
  a trial run or in rehearsal or whatever you want to call it, and
• 1:34:13
  he creaned off the bike and broke both his arms, and the bike went
• 1:34:15
  on and smashed into some like roady and nearly blinded him. Yeah, so
• 1:34:21
  you got like a motor bike, I guess, right to the fucking grape
• 1:34:25
  h And that's when Evil Canevel decided to call it a day, where he
• 1:34:29
  was like, Okay, it's okay with me getting hurt, but like you
• 1:34:30
  know, other people are getting hurt, and it's time to wrap it up,
• 1:34:33
  but like, no, it was the Sharks were booked for that weekend.
• 1:34:39
  I want to know did they get paid? Yeah yeah, Like yeah,
• 1:34:42
  the guy that the guy that was nearly blinded, they just sucked him
• 1:34:44
  into the tanking. That's some fresh roady for your boys. It's back on
• 1:34:49
  the menu. It's just going to say perfect. But like in later in
• 1:34:59
  the interviews that this was some like sort of post rationalizing things or whatnot,
• 1:35:02
  Evil Canevels said like, you know he was drinking in a bar one night
• 1:35:05
  and or like yeah, Evil, okay, we know this story is bullshit
• 1:35:09
  because you're drinking in a bar every fucking night. All right. He's drinking
• 1:35:12
  at the bar one night and he overheard two people saying, well, you
• 1:35:15
  know, Evil can evil Like, you know, I've seen him jump twenty
• 1:35:16
  five cars. Well i've seen him jump twenty seven cars. Well you know,
• 1:35:20
  someone tells me next month he's going to jump thirty cars. And Evil
• 1:35:23
  Canevels they're going, like, what do I have to fucking do for these
• 1:35:25
  people? Yeah, like it's never going it's never going to be enough.
• 1:35:29
  They're just being a rod for his own dick. No, that's exactly I'm
• 1:35:32
  terribly sorry. You became so good at jumping cars and motorbikes that people wanted
• 1:35:36
  to see you do it more and more and more. But he said,
• 1:35:40
  Okay, I'm done. I really will not jump again, and he probably
• 1:35:43
  was going to settle down into a wonderful career of just being evil. Canevil
• 1:35:48
  A loved national celebrity. Do you remember your man I mentioned earlier throat there
• 1:35:54
  called Shelley Saltman. Correct, yes, I remember him. Well, well
• 1:36:00
  he's back. It's Shelley, like the colonel in the scenario. He's not
• 1:36:04
  And I feel bad for Shelley a little bit, Tom, just a little
• 1:36:10
  bit. Shelley Saltman was his business partner, and he was like his entertainment
• 1:36:15
  dude, or his connection to the fucking entertainment world, or he was a
• 1:36:16
  big wheel in Hollywood. He had invested interest in seeing Evil Canievel be famous,
• 1:36:21
  and Evil Canievel had an interest in being partners with Shelley Salton worked for
• 1:36:27
  everybody an Evil Canievel gave Shelley Saltmon the okay to write a book called Evil
• 1:36:32
  Canievel on Tour, which followed him throughout the procession of doing the Snake River
• 1:36:38
  Jump, and you know it was sort of like an on the road almost
• 1:36:43
  famous kind of take being, you know, eighteen months in the company of
• 1:36:48
  Evil Canevel. Yeah, and Shelly Saltman wrote that book, and I dare
• 1:36:54
  say it was probably quite truthful about it, a little too fucking truthful for
• 1:36:57
  anyone's liking, because he wrote about a drinking and he wrote about taking drugs
• 1:37:01
  and he wrote about the horn, and Evil can Evel got mad about that
• 1:37:06
  and say, hey, I never took drugs. Yeah you didn't. Yeah,
• 1:37:12
  the drinking and the horn. Okay, yeah, you got me there.
• 1:37:15
  But you don't guts to say it like that. You don't have to.
• 1:37:18
  I never took drugs, and you're literally the maddest count. Apparently apparently,
• 1:37:26
  you know, he apparently he was just like, you know, you
• 1:37:28
  were drinking, you were taking drugs, and you were horn. Hey,
• 1:37:30
  I wasn't taking drugs. You know, it's like whoa me on the other
• 1:37:35
  two? But there you go, Na, Shelley Saltman will fucking say Uphill
• 1:37:41
  and down Dale and show you like written documents where his book was submitted to
• 1:37:45
  Evil Canievel's team, and by all accounts, Evil can Evel himself given the
• 1:37:49
  nod and said, yeah, go on. Whether anybody on the team actually
• 1:37:54
  fucking read the thing or not, Tom, that might be a different story,
• 1:37:57
  but either way, it hit the bookshelves and was an ex blows of
• 1:38:00
  expose on the life of being on tour with Evil Can Evel and Evil Can
• 1:38:03
  Eveland as people were like, what the fuck we need this book off the
• 1:38:08
  shops, and also I need to go bather the ship out of Shelley Saltmon
• 1:38:12
  with it by a small bash, which is what Evil Cavvil did. Evil
• 1:38:19
  was fresh out at the hospital, still with two broken arms, and he
• 1:38:24
  tracked down Shelly Saltman in the car park of the twenty Century Studios lot in
• 1:38:30
  Hollywood. In Hollywood, Evil Can Evel had two of his flunkies hold Shelly
• 1:38:35
  Saltman and Evil Canevel took an aluminium baseball bat and beat the everloving fuck out
• 1:38:41
  of the fuck fuck ah and made no excuses for it. I mean,
• 1:38:53
  he had his reason there. It was right or wrong, but he had
• 1:38:56
  his reason. There's no it wasn't a moment thing. He'd been lying in
• 1:39:00
  the hospital bed fuming for a couple of months, gone as soon as I
• 1:39:02
  can fucking stand up. Everybody says it, Don'm gonna fucking kill that fucker.
• 1:39:08
  Oh no, we did, no, we Like if he had had
• 1:39:10
  Amazon, he would have been ordering baseball bats from the hospital bed. The
• 1:39:15
  only thing that held him up was he had to stop at the shop and
• 1:39:16
  buy one, Like he went and fucking hammered the ship out of this guy.
• 1:39:20
  And it was one of these ones where he like, you know,
• 1:39:24
  it was kind of like a plea, a plea of no contest. Do
• 1:39:28
  you know that sort of way? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:39:30
  Do you ever see like a do you ever see like a you know,
• 1:39:32
  there's a difference between pleading not guilty or sorry, pleading guilty and pleading no
• 1:39:38
  contest, Like clead and guilty is like, yeah, go on, I
• 1:39:41
  did it, and pleading no contest is like I can't even fucking stand.
• 1:39:45
  I'm just like, yeah, I did that. And I would hit him
• 1:39:48
  twice as hard with half the provocation next time, and they're like all right,
• 1:39:54
  I mean, like we you're you're fucked lad, Like because he got
• 1:40:00
  jail time, but he got soft jail time. He got Jordan Bell for
• 1:40:02
  jail time. Of course he did. He got he got three years probation
• 1:40:06
  and three months of what they call work release, which is you stay in
• 1:40:14
  a jail, but you're allowed out to go do community service during the day
• 1:40:16
  and you can sort of was he by any chance making making ragu But he
• 1:40:23
  was slicing the garlic, really, thid. I gotta tell you, Tom,
• 1:40:26
  it wasn't even that much jail he was. It was basically like,
• 1:40:30
  you can leave the jail in the morning and where you have to go and
• 1:40:33
  do this job that we're giving to you. Somebody she's got free bed and
• 1:40:35
  board. You got free bed and board, and and and and not only
• 1:40:40
  that, you don't have to get the prison wagon out of jail, so
• 1:40:44
  you can get your own transport as long as you go to where we tell
• 1:40:46
  you to go and come back here in the evening. You do that for
• 1:40:48
  three months or a fuck, we'll write off the rest of them. And
• 1:40:53
  it's not like he's a fucking you know, a male model or some singer
• 1:40:57
  that people would hate in prison or something, you know, something that could
• 1:41:00
  be misconstrued. Well, I don't like him. What I like him?
• 1:41:03
  There isn't one prisoner under that roof that wouldn't have thought a fucking cool.
• 1:41:09
  It's fucking evil, evil. All the prison guards must have thought, Oh,
• 1:41:12
  man, if if they'd invelt the cell phones right now, I will,
• 1:41:15
  we'd all be getting selfies. I'm sorry. If they were, if
• 1:41:18
  they were on the shelf before, if they were on the fence before,
• 1:41:23
  they absolutely picked a side after, because any of the lads that he was
• 1:41:27
  on work release before, he would get picked up the morning in his own
• 1:41:30
  limo and he would take him straight to the bar and they would fucking hammer
• 1:41:34
  shots the whole fucking day long and show back up at the jail steamboat steamballs
• 1:41:43
  at the end of it. And then they'd be like, all right,
• 1:41:45
  same again to mar lads. And that's when the warden was like, no,
• 1:41:48
  evil, like, brother, we're giving you every chance here to not
• 1:41:53
  do this, but we're going to have to give you actual jail time now.
• 1:41:57
  So he got like he was bording with the warden. Tommy he was
• 1:42:00
  in the Gray Bar hotel, and he got actual jail time, and when
• 1:42:03
  he got out he was poison all right, even the good folk back and
• 1:42:08
  Butte Montana said, you know what, Yeah, we do like a bit
• 1:42:11
  of frontier justice, and we solve our problems with our fists. But we
• 1:42:15
  don't get somebody to hold down a fucking dude called Shelley Saltan this little fucking
• 1:42:18
  middlehouse of Aladdin hammered fuck out of him with a baseball bat. That's yeah,
• 1:42:24
  that's a bit much. You're a trumpet. You're a bad bastard,
• 1:42:27
  all right. And with this new status as being a tramp, we don't
• 1:42:32
  want to see you wearing that fucking red, white and blue outfit anymore.
• 1:42:36
  We've lost the privilege to do that. Nobody wants to see in that.
• 1:42:40
  Don't fucking show up in that. You're a criminal, all right. And
• 1:42:43
  you see all those toys, they're gone. We're pulling your sponsorship with that,
• 1:42:47
  the Evil can Eevil toy, best selling toy and all as it was.
• 1:42:50
  We don't need that kind of business, all right. We'll Star Wars
• 1:42:54
  toys around the corner. We'll go make some of them fucking things. Okayh
• 1:42:58
  lost the toy money, and Tom, this is where you turn around and
• 1:43:03
  go like, I just kind of live off your savings for the rest of
• 1:43:08
  your life, right yeah, typically in in in in in a normal world.
• 1:43:13
  But I'm gonna go out a limb and say that that man had in
• 1:43:16
  the credit union book. He hadn't a fucking dime Tom, And I always
• 1:43:20
  wondered, like, you know, you hear about like mc hammer losing all
• 1:43:23
  his money and all this kind of ship, right, yeah, and like
• 1:43:27
  how do you how do you lose your house? How do you one day
• 1:43:30
  have five million dollars on next day lose your house? How do you not
• 1:43:35
  own that? Outright? It's like I suppose you go overdrawn. That's the
• 1:43:42
  problem. You go over drawn credit cards and they go, well, look,
• 1:43:45
  the only thing is to be and like this is I went out one
• 1:43:50
  time over the summer there. I brought out one time over the summer on
• 1:43:54
  a bit of a you know, on a good night out. And do
• 1:43:58
  you ever like go to a place you see where the other other other other
• 1:44:02
  half live. I know exactly what you're talking about. I I frequented these
• 1:44:06
  venues back back at a certain time. I know I'd never free, I'd
• 1:44:11
  never lived in this sort of like where you're like Jesus Christ like to hang
• 1:44:15
  up my jackets fifty quid, like you know, it's you know, this
• 1:44:18
  kind of way. But I gotta tell you I experienced that one time in
• 1:44:21
  my lifetime and if I had the money, I'd be taking this all there
• 1:44:25
  in the morning. Yeah, I'd be like, I fucking know a place,
• 1:44:28
  lads. Yeah, Because that's the thing. There's there's things in you,
• 1:44:30
  like the humble person in you for the first two minutes, like,
• 1:44:33
  oh god, I could live with this ship. And but then you see,
• 1:44:38
  you know, when you do start getting me made like if I'm a
• 1:44:40
  special person in here, this is this is a person and I would do
• 1:44:45
  this every Sunday. Why shouldn't I be Why shouldn't they? Why should I
• 1:44:48
  am fucking special? Why fucking you know what? Fuck all you? Fuck
• 1:44:54
  all you? If you are lucky enough, if you didn't have the fuck
• 1:44:57
  and where would all the jump snakes? I mean, I'm fucking special.
• 1:45:00
  Fuck all you. I'm fucking evil, can evil? There you go evil?
• 1:45:04
  And it all came back to him. He got Rocky fived Tom,
• 1:45:08
  He got Rocky five in a fucking tough, tough way. He lost everything.
• 1:45:13
  He lost his fucking house, his collection cars, collection of motorbikes,
• 1:45:17
  like he and I like, I'd love to tell you he's got a third
• 1:45:24
  act, but he really doesn't even miss bork. He even eventually got tired
• 1:45:30
  of his horn ways and went off and he did marry this other last season
• 1:45:33
  name. Her name was Crystal Kennedy has two k's, by the way,
• 1:45:38
  So she's like a lovely lady, right, but of the gosh, g
• 1:45:45
  there, how you doing kind of yeah yeah, yeah, oh my kind
• 1:45:49
  of way, but a lovely lady who married him in in the nineties after
• 1:45:55
  MS Bork fucked off and then him and his new lady wife, Chris with
• 1:46:00
  a K Tom they toured America in a bus selling knick knacks, Oh Jesus,
• 1:46:10
  and selling you know, autographed eight by ten glosses and Evil Canievel's art.
• 1:46:17
  I probably would have bought it. I mean, like this is this,
• 1:46:21
  probably would have bought it. You know. It's It's a story,
• 1:46:28
  isn't it. It's the wrestless story, you know what I mean? Like,
• 1:46:30
  you know, you come off the end of it and then you're just
• 1:46:31
  mak your money on the conventions. And like I said, period before,
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  forty years beforehand, people might have paid a nickel to see Evil Canievil you
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  know, jump three cars. Well, you fast forward forty years and then
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  you have people who might pay ten dollars to get a sign for them.
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  Yeah, like it's a cautionary tale for anybody out there thinking of, you
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  know, the stunt world, the daredevil world. You gotta set up a
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  fucking stand in order that regardless of how fuck you gotta set up as fucking
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  directed. But on a weekly basis, you know, you go. You
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  know, Tom have him tired talent. The good folks that listen to the
• 1:47:10
  Tom and Jerry podcast, it ain't what you make, that's what you say.
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  There you go, there you go. And that was evil canieval.
• 1:47:16
  There is no delightful third actor or anything like that. Years have been smashed
• 1:47:20
  into the ground, caught up with them. He struggled to walk, he
• 1:47:24
  struggled to get her around the place, wouldn't you know, his fucking liver
• 1:47:27
  was at him for some strange reason. And then eventually the tabs caught up
• 1:47:31
  to him as well. And he had like a whole pile of like lung
• 1:47:33
  problems and pull the mony things, and he had like you know, they
• 1:47:36
  are yet have like a supplementary oxygen with him all the time, and the
• 1:47:42
  thing in the nose that he's struggling to breathe, and all this kind of
• 1:47:44
  thing, like even interviews and all this kind of crack. Come the end
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  of it, he was like, you know, I can give you five
• 1:47:49
  minutes and then I'm going to need to I'm going to go sit down in
• 1:47:53
  a room and settle myself. And then he died. Tom that happened,
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  and then he died into thousand and seven, aged sixty nine, from complications
• 1:48:02
  arising from everything we have. There a sad end, one would say,
• 1:48:06
  to the life of evil can Eevil. But and then brought about by evil
• 1:48:12
  Canievel? Yeah, but I mean, yeah, one hundred percent of it
• 1:48:16
  was brought about by even Evel. But like so many of these, like
• 1:48:20
  Elvis, like a cash even But you know, there was no roadmap at
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  all. No, there was no roadmap. No, there really wasn't.
• 1:48:31
  It was uncharted territory. I read read a book, a great book one
• 1:48:36
  time called deep Fried Twinkies and Buckle Bunnies. And it follows it follows the
• 1:48:46
  what do they call it, the NBR, the National Bull Riding Nice the
• 1:48:54
  f one basically off National Bull Writing. It's a very entertaining book because it's
• 1:48:58
  guy written writing at I know, was he a British journalist, but he
• 1:49:00
  went from he had no grasp for this thing at all, but he followed
• 1:49:03
  it around and wrote and the whole thing was he was trying to add everyone
• 1:49:08
  the legendary thing was this deep fried twinkie. Yeah, that could be gotten,
• 1:49:13
  and he couldn't get one another fucking corn dog at this one was this,
• 1:49:15
  And it was all these mini chapters, you know, these roads and
• 1:49:18
  other chapters going around to each place like that. Butte Montana, fucking But
• 1:49:24
  the fucking what it was. What he was talking about was the evolution of
• 1:49:27
  the riders, these fucking maniacs getting on these fucking having a how two thousand
• 1:49:32
  pounds, fucking meanest, nasty as fucking bulls that want to kill you.
• 1:49:36
  They don't just want to get you off, they want to stamp your fucking
• 1:49:39
  stamps through the ground. But he talked about a legendary guy called JP Mooney
• 1:49:45
  who was coming on the scene at the time, and even he was new
• 1:49:49
  school by the standards of the old schools who just strapped themselves up. And
• 1:49:55
  there was guys just chasing the dream, making a couple of dollars each one,
• 1:49:59
  but they were fucked. But what he was seeing was the evolution of
• 1:50:03
  how guys were looking back and going, oh, he doesn't take care of
• 1:50:05
  himself at all. Oh he doesn't. Oh he just wears. He doesn't
• 1:50:09
  wear a fucking he won't even wear a padded vest. Let alone got his
• 1:50:12
  hat on where helmets are starting to come in. And now, because I
• 1:50:15
  still have a slight interest. And you see guys now, they're doing yoga,
• 1:50:19
  they're fucking supplements, they're really minding themselves. And JP Mooney, now
• 1:50:25
  is this fucking beating up hardcore? And you'll often hear You'll hear it on
• 1:50:31
  TikTok and Instagram. People will use the the SoundBite that is, he's a
• 1:50:35
  seven million dollar bull rider, and it's it's just that's how they introduce because
• 1:50:42
  that's how many gold belties or buckles he's won. But even he's gone,
• 1:50:45
  these guys are soft the ship I mean, and he's just got a fag
• 1:50:47
  hanging out of his mouth. I take a shot of fucking you know,
• 1:50:50
  while Turkey not getting a fucking bitch, and I just go ahead and fucking
• 1:50:54
  rid that some bitch, fucking grand and these other guys now, because the
• 1:50:58
  road map has been drawn by all these guys who died in their fifties because
• 1:51:01
  of complications and stuff like that, or couldn't walk from the age of fucking
• 1:51:04
  forty five onwards. Now lads are wearing helmets, they were were in proper
• 1:51:10
  gear. You know. It's it's it's it's just like I said, it's
• 1:51:15
  an a You nailed there, Tom. There was no roadmap for them,
• 1:51:18
  even if the direction that you needed was down this wrapping up that other one.
• 1:51:24
  But it did kick off a legacy. And that's where we're going to
• 1:51:27
  capt this off with, like honestly, two sentences, Tom, Robbie Canevel.
• 1:51:33
  No, that's Evil Canievel's son who was with him throughout the whole lot,
• 1:51:40
  who became a daredevil in and of his own right. And I want
• 1:51:43
  to say, Tom, as we said earlier in the thing, when we
• 1:51:45
  believe we've seen Evil Evil jump season Palace in the nineties, we saw Robbie
• 1:51:51
  Canievel jump. I think this the scales of that Mandila effective started to be
• 1:51:57
  in my head right now. He did come back and following his dad's footsteps
• 1:52:03
  and jumped the Caesar's Palace and he made it safely. Not for nothing because
• 1:52:12
  at this stage, to your point, he was on a better bike that
• 1:52:15
  had a bit of suspension. It was more of a fucking John Connor scrambler
• 1:52:21
  than a thing. And that was probably why Robbie Knievel never became a star
• 1:52:29
  like his father, for a couple of reasons. Okay, number one,
• 1:52:32
  the danger wasn't there. Number two, the uniqueness wasn't there. And number
• 1:52:36
  three and this is a very important thing. And this is why we're doing
• 1:52:40
  a podcast about Evil Canievel forty years later, Tom, This is why we
• 1:52:43
  do podcasts about Fred Dibner or Dolly Partner. You know, you need to
• 1:52:49
  have a very certain thing that gets you away from the ordinary into the stratosphere,
• 1:52:57
  just that one element that makes you a household name, no matter what
• 1:53:00
  your chosen field is. Maverick gotta be a Maverick. You've gotta have this
• 1:53:05
  showmanship, Tom, And that is what Evil Canevel had. He had the
• 1:53:10
  spangles, he had the glitter, he had the glitz. And just like
• 1:53:14
  this said in the Founder, the movie about McDonald's, he turns around to
• 1:53:17
  the two McDonald's brothers and says, you never knew what you had. It's
• 1:53:21
  the name. Yeah, yeah, it's the name Evil Canievel. Because fucking
• 1:53:30
  Sean Malone could jump all the fucking diggers. He wanted. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:53:34
  I mean he wasn't going to be a star. Awful novel, wasn't
• 1:53:38
  going to do and fuck all, you know, more awful novel. Awful
• 1:53:44
  novel. And in the next series of The Tom and Jerry Show, because
• 1:53:47
  Tom, we're out of here, buddy. That is season seven. How'd
• 1:53:50
  you like that, Jesus Christ? That it zipped by? And I think
• 1:53:55
  there there, jeezus, we we pretty much have a shmorgasbord. Fuck me,
• 1:54:05
  there is nobody. There isn't something in that season for If there isn't
• 1:54:10
  something in that season for you, then, by Jesus Christ, we ain't
• 1:54:13
  got it. It ain't in the shop. It ain't in the shop.
• 1:54:15
  And we have a lot in the shop. I mean I have made more
• 1:54:19
  notes of people and things and places and ideas that we want to do for
• 1:54:24
  the you know, the seasons and stuff like that. But if you're if
• 1:54:28
  you're waiting around for for our Marie Condo episode, you'll be I mean,
• 1:54:33
  you can find all the spark you want in folding the shirt as she talks
• 1:54:38
  about it. But I'm I don't know that we can find an hour and
• 1:54:41
  a half point I'm retisent to Yeah, to do anything on Yeah, a
• 1:54:45
  person who doesn't actually speak English on an English speaking TV show. I mean,
• 1:54:48
  the balls and that woman are fucking phenomenal like that. You know,
• 1:54:53
  you're really talking me into a Marie Condo episode now that I actually do play
• 1:54:58
  a bit of thought to it. But regardless of which, who knows what
• 1:55:00
  the future of the Tom and Jerry Show holds? Season eight? Will we
• 1:55:04
  do it? Will you ever hear from us again? Well, I'll tell
• 1:55:08
  you one thing, Tom, if you're very, very good, you might
• 1:55:11
  hear from us with a special festive episode. But only if you're good boys
• 1:55:15
  and girls on your you know. But if you want to know when a
• 1:55:20
  Christmas episode might drop, a theoretical Christmas episode Tom might drop, you're going
• 1:55:26
  to have to follow us on the social medias. I'm sorry to say.
• 1:55:29
  You can follow me on at Jerry McBride, him on Tom Underscore, or
• 1:55:32
  Matney or indeed the at Tom and Jerry Show or some variation of that will
• 1:55:35
  get you on your Twitters and your Instagrams, not so much on the facebooks
• 1:55:42
  or anything like that. And I'm not handl an amtiphone number. So see,
• 1:55:45
  there are those things probably best on the old instagrams. Jerry's very good
• 1:55:48
  on that and he puts up he posts. He'll give you plenty of notes
• 1:55:53
  if and when we do get around to doing a Christmas one. We've been
• 1:55:56
  pretty good at turning out a Christmas one. So but I think, yeah,
• 1:56:00
  look we'll we'll do our damnist for you. We'll do our damage,
• 1:56:01
  you know what I mean, Like, you know, I don't want to
• 1:56:03
  Yeah, I don't want to be my my mom every daw And then like
• 1:56:05
  she goes, I'm not going to bother putting a tree up this year,
• 1:56:09
  and then let it be, you know, of course the three will go,
• 1:56:12
  Look, look, we're just we're just being a couple of parent.
• 1:56:14
  We are like your parents. We are same sex parents, which is very
• 1:56:17
  woke of us. By the way, just think of us that way in
• 1:56:20
  that we're him and and horn Arson back and forth in your soul of souls,
• 1:56:25
  you know, when you come home to see us in around you know,
• 1:56:29
  the latter end of December, there'll be a fucking tree up and we'll
• 1:56:33
  be yes, we got a turkey and everthing but Tom like between them,
• 1:56:39
  and then if these people want to increase the chances of getting a Christmas episode.
• 1:56:43
  Then they got to do as a favor, don't they look at raise
• 1:56:45
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• 1:56:57
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• 1:57:00
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• 1:57:03
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• 1:57:06
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• 1:57:17
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• 1:57:24
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• 1:57:27
  some lads, like I said, have found them, they've gone off
• 1:57:29
  fuck it, they're in the digger, they're in the truck, they're in
• 1:57:30
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• 1:58:00
  nothing seeing this how it is the last episode of the series. What was
• 1:58:03
  your favorite episode of season seven? Let us know. We might do more
• 1:58:08
  of it or less of the ones you don't like, or it might not
• 1:58:10
  influence us one way or the other. I do like we get suggestions of
• 1:58:14
  people and it's like it's it's it's right up alongside some of the ones we've
• 1:58:16
  already done we've tried. Yeah, yeah, there was a couple of that
• 1:58:18
  there this year. I was like listening, and I like, I like
• 1:58:23
  it. It's out of my house right now. But to be fair,
• 1:58:25
  I think we we've been we've been pushing the shuffle board of notions around the
• 1:58:31
  deck of the ship that we're on, and I think we've touched on as
• 1:58:35
  many and as wide arrange. We'll probably go wide again if we ever get
• 1:58:39
  to do another season. You just don't know, You just don't know,
• 1:58:44
  Tom. I have to go put out a big wash fair play. I'm
• 1:58:47
  gasping for the want of us upper team. There you go, wrap it
• 1:58:50
  up, buddy, take it home. You're doing business, which again