Latest / The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine / Dustin Kensrue: Thrice

Transcript

Dustin Kensrue: Thrice · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:01
  Speaker 1: I'm let's see sick.
• 0:08
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tak Rona today. We've got our good friend
• 0:31
  Speaker 2: Dustin from Thrice. Uh you know, Dustin, every time I
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: hang out with you, it's just like, such a good time.
• 0:37
  Speaker 2: You're such a chill dude. You're so California Colin. And
• 0:40
  Speaker 2: I grew up in South Dakota, which is very much
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: not California, and whenever I meet and become friends with
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: somebody from California, I realize, like, how much not California
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: I am. And You're one of those people where whenever
• 0:53
  Speaker 2: I hang out with you, I'm just like, wow, I'm
• 0:55
  Speaker 2: just so not California because you're just so California. I said,
• 0:58
  Speaker 2: California you're chili.
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well more about that later. But uh yeah,
• 1:08
  Speaker 1: I don't That's interesting because back in the day we
• 1:11
  Speaker 1: used to feel like we didn't fit in with California,
• 1:13
  Speaker 1: and really East Coast bands would think that we were
• 1:17
  Speaker 1: East Coast bands.
• 1:18
  Speaker 2: Just even from a personality standpoint or just sound.
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah no, uh yeah, just in general, they like, I
• 1:26
  Speaker 1: don't know, because I think of California not as like
• 1:31
  Speaker 1: chill vibe. I think I don't know a lot of
• 1:33
  Speaker 1: like just douchiness and I don't know, and not all
• 1:36
  Speaker 1: of it, but when I think of southern California, there's
• 1:39
  Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of that going around.
• 1:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, I wasn't I wasn't gonna say it, Dustin,
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: but it was like that was my roundabout way of
• 1:49
  Speaker 2: trying to say it. But like I guess, I mean,
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: you said it for me so glaring. I love you too.
• 1:57
  Speaker 2: All right, Well, the reason why we brought you on
• 2:00
  Speaker 2: here is so a few months ago you played in
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: the Twin Cities. You played Horizons West and obviously some
• 2:07
  Speaker 2: other songs from the older albums, but I like listening
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: through Horizons West for whatever reason, I'd kind of like,
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: I listen to it. It's amazing. It was one of
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: my favorite albums of twenty twenty five. And then I
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: don't know, it's one of those things where like when
• 2:23
  Speaker 2: an album comes out, and especially when it's like a
• 2:26
  Speaker 2: person that you know, I'm just like not great at
• 2:29
  Speaker 2: like reaching out and I'm like, we should have reached
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: out to you earlier before the album actually came out,
• 2:34
  Speaker 2: But here we are now we can actually talk about
• 2:37
  Speaker 2: it now. It is truly like it was one of
• 2:39
  Speaker 2: my favorite albums. Of twenty twenty five. I'll be honest,
• 2:42
  Speaker 2: I like it more than Horizons East. It just has
• 2:46
  Speaker 2: like all of these Thrice elements that I love about,
• 2:48
  Speaker 2: you guys, I think Horizons East, for the most part,
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: kind of went into this more like this is gonna
• 2:55
  Speaker 2: be like a I really mean, this is like in
• 2:58
  Speaker 2: a complimentary way, but it's in a way where it's
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: like it's a little different than Thrice, but like it
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: kind of had a little bit maybe more of a
• 3:04
  Speaker 2: post rock ambient vibe, whereas like Horizons West has has
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: that clearly and has like all of the like heavy
• 3:12
  Speaker 2: elements that you would want from Thrice as well. Uh,
• 3:15
  Speaker 2: And I don't know, at least in my experience of
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: both of those albums, Horizons West has just a little
• 3:22
  Speaker 2: bit more of that, And so anyway, because of that,
• 3:24
  Speaker 2: because of that balance, it just immediately jumped up in
• 3:28
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite albums of the year. And so
• 3:30
  Speaker 2: I don't know, Like, I don't know if you have
• 3:31
  Speaker 2: any initials. We'll obviously want to deep dive more into it,
• 3:34
  Speaker 2: but like, do you have any initial sort of now
• 3:37
  Speaker 2: that you know the album has been out for a
• 3:39
  Speaker 2: little bit of time, you've you've you know, played it live. Like,
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: I don't know if there's like any initial feelings and
• 3:44
  Speaker 2: thoughts about the album that you have.
• 3:46
  Speaker 1: I mean, I really love it. Uh. I think it's
• 3:52
  Speaker 1: the best thing we've done. I don't know, maybe since
• 3:58
  Speaker 1: the Alchemy Index, Like I just wow for whatever reason,
• 4:04
  Speaker 1: And I don't think you can really force things like that.
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: It just it just has something going on and it
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: is cool. So there's a couple theories to that. I
• 4:15
  Speaker 1: think part of it is we really made it. We
• 4:19
  Speaker 1: wrote it quickly, so we were you know, kind of
• 4:22
  Speaker 1: pulling parts together for a long time, like, but not
• 4:25
  Speaker 1: actually getting together and putting the songs together. So that
• 4:29
  Speaker 1: was all in you know, twenty days. Basically, it was
• 4:35
  Speaker 1: like just it was just for work weeks, you know,
• 4:41
  Speaker 1: And so we were trying to lean into hey, we
• 4:45
  Speaker 1: are dumb, and we waited too long to do this,
• 4:47
  Speaker 1: and now it needs to happen, and so let's lean
• 4:51
  Speaker 1: in and go with a lot of the There's a
• 4:57
  Speaker 1: lot of interesting energy in spontaneity that comes when you're
• 5:01
  Speaker 1: first jamming on a song that you don't really know
• 5:03
  Speaker 1: what you're doing. You're playing a little bit more of
• 5:07
  Speaker 1: us really and instinctually and later on you start kind
• 5:11
  Speaker 1: of you can start overthinking things, and so we would
• 5:14
  Speaker 1: get something down, kind of get a recording of whatever
• 5:17
  Speaker 1: that was, and listen back next like the next week,
• 5:20
  Speaker 1: and be like, all right, let's pick that up and
• 5:22
  Speaker 1: be like, oh, these were cool parts. I'm just gonna
• 5:24
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna keep this kind of
• 5:26
  Speaker 1: thing that I just randomly did and I don't know,
• 5:30
  Speaker 1: so it picked up some of that, and then I
• 5:31
  Speaker 1: think another big piece was having revisited the Legion of
• 5:37
  Speaker 1: Safety and artists and the ambulance for shows and for
• 5:41
  Speaker 1: artists rerecording it, there was like a kind of full
• 5:44
  Speaker 1: circle rel like acquainting ourselves with some of those things,
• 5:50
  Speaker 1: or like letting letting something drop some kind of resistance, right.
• 5:57
  Speaker 1: And my buddy Johnny was saying, it's like I've been
• 6:01
  Speaker 1: reading a lot of Young lately, and I feel like
• 6:03
  Speaker 1: this record is like thrice, like incorporating its shadow. And
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: I thought that was I was like, I feel like
• 6:12
  Speaker 1: that's fairly accurate. So yeah, there's something. I think there's
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: something healthy there. And just having had the distance to
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: pick certain things back up and play with them in
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: the way that feels good to us now and not
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: forced and not because somebody else wants us to.
• 6:26
  Speaker 3: And Yeah, something I noticed listening through the record is
• 6:31
  Speaker 3: that it never really feels like there's a moment where
• 6:35
  Speaker 3: you can feel settled as a listener. It's like this
• 6:38
  Speaker 3: melancholic undertone and sometimes it's an overtone, but it it
• 6:44
  Speaker 3: feels like it's never gonna let you kinda feel just
• 6:50
  Speaker 3: at peace at any moment. Did you did you kind
• 6:53
  Speaker 3: of feel that as well writing or playing the music
• 6:57
  Speaker 3: in general?
• 7:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't I don't think. I mean
• 7:05
  Speaker 1: you're saying a kind of musically everything.
• 7:07
  Speaker 3: Just yeah, like both lyrically and musically, I kind of.
• 7:10
  Speaker 1: Geta I mean lyrically it's it's a heavy record, it's
• 7:14
  Speaker 1: it's kind of holding your face towards the abyss a
• 7:18
  Speaker 1: little bit. Yeah, I don't know. I think part of
• 7:21
  Speaker 1: the on my end that that idea is just that
• 7:30
  Speaker 1: we don't look towards those things. Sometimes we don't look
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: towards mortality and death and I don't know, questions of
• 7:41
  Speaker 1: meaninglessness or absurdity. I don't know. And I think obviously
• 7:48
  Speaker 1: because this thing can be scary, but rather than looking away,
• 7:54
  Speaker 1: there's there's something to be found by settling in and
• 7:59
  Speaker 1: be coming friendly with those things that are are scary things,
• 8:08
  Speaker 1: I guess, or at least it can be for a
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: lot of us. And so I think a lot of
• 8:12
  Speaker 1: the records kind of doing that in certain ways, but
• 8:15
  Speaker 1: I had never thought about the music specifically doing that.
• 8:19
  Speaker 3: It might be like kind of like the juxtaposition of
• 8:22
  Speaker 3: you know, like some of the teams like I think
• 8:24
  Speaker 3: of like Albatross for example, which kind of has a
• 8:27
  Speaker 3: you know, a thumping bassline for example, and it kind
• 8:29
  Speaker 3: of drives forward a bit. And even that song like
• 8:37
  Speaker 3: it has I feel like a pretty hopeful message even
• 8:40
  Speaker 3: in the lyrics. But for some reason, I feel a
• 8:42
  Speaker 3: little bit unsettled. But it's a good kind of unsettlement, right,
• 8:45
  Speaker 3: It's it's something that that causes you to turn inward
• 8:48
  Speaker 3: a bit more instead of just like losing yourself in
• 8:53
  Speaker 3: the music. It's kind of like, all right, be aware
• 8:56
  Speaker 3: of what you're listening to, understand, underst and your own
• 9:00
  Speaker 3: your own self through this. So I find it to
• 9:02
  Speaker 3: be very very perplexing. I'm not sure I've listened to
• 9:06
  Speaker 3: a record like this in a while.
• 9:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I like that it's at least doing
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: something interesting.
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: So like a song like Nash, which which you know
• 9:21
  Speaker 2: there is something to be said about, like what's funny
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: is like with these last two albums with Horizons's and
• 9:28
  Speaker 2: Horizons West, Like my favorite song on Horizon Z East.
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: I'm like totally banking on the song now, but it
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: kind of has it's like totally like the most post
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: rocky of of your songs, and where like there's this
• 9:39
  Speaker 2: like very gradual like build up and big crescendo, and
• 9:43
  Speaker 2: then Nash is like just a straight up like hardcore
• 9:46
  Speaker 2: song for the most part, where really you kind of
• 9:50
  Speaker 2: tap into some degree with obviously some like newer elements
• 9:54
  Speaker 2: of your new kind of this like newer Thrice sound,
• 9:56
  Speaker 2: but there's definitely some like old old Thrice going on.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: But there is something you said, like you guys are
• 10:03
  Speaker 2: just able between these like last two albums, especially if
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: you think of these albums as like connected in a
• 10:08
  Speaker 2: way where like and I don't know how much like
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: when you're writing Horizons West, like it's meant to be like,
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: all right, you're supposed to listen to Horizons East first
• 10:17
  Speaker 2: or or West after or just like you know, both
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: of them at the same time. I don't know how
• 10:23
  Speaker 2: you thought about that, but like that's something where like
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: in combination, I think I appreciate Horizons East a little
• 10:30
  Speaker 2: bit more. But there's something about like the fact that
• 10:32
  Speaker 2: you're able to like do this dynamic really well of
• 10:35
  Speaker 2: like all these like beautiful ambient things that Thrice has
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: been able to develop over these years, and also like
• 10:42
  Speaker 2: still honor the fact that you guys are like Gus
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: are a hardcore band at the end of the day too,
• 10:48
  Speaker 2: and you're able to still do that really well. I
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: don't know that like was something that you like thought
• 10:52
  Speaker 2: through of like the sort of dynamic of how both
• 10:56
  Speaker 2: of the albums would play together. I don't know, I'm
• 10:58
  Speaker 2: just curious like how that was a part of it.
• 11:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the way the music has different feel,
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of that just was naturally what
• 11:11
  Speaker 1: was happening, especially after you know, revisiting that stuff and
• 11:14
  Speaker 1: then like thematically they're definitely meant to It doesn't really
• 11:20
  Speaker 1: matter the order unless I mean it's the big metaphors
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: sunrises and East sits in the West, and it's West
• 11:31
  Speaker 1: is much more densely themed that way. Because I had
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: longer to kind of sit with it and play with
• 11:38
  Speaker 1: those ideas. Yeah, they are very different feeling records, and
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: it's hard to kind of put into a succinct description
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: what is so different about them. But I think people
• 11:54
  Speaker 1: are really responding to some kind of energy or urgency
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: or something in even in the the slower songs on West,
• 12:07
  Speaker 1: there's something that feels different and I don't know. I
• 12:11
  Speaker 1: can't quite figure out what that is either.
• 12:14
  Speaker 2: Is it something where when you guys were writing both, like,
• 12:18
  Speaker 2: for example, when Horizons East was being written, were you
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: literally like waking up early in the morning and writing
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: lyrics and writing songwriting then? And then like Horizons West,
• 12:31
  Speaker 2: you were like, all right, end of the day, sun
• 12:34
  Speaker 2: is starting to set, it's out in the west, starting
• 12:37
  Speaker 2: to see that sun over that nice little coast in
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: Orange County where you starting to look at the sun
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: then and you were like all right, time to write.
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: Was there anything about the actual placement of where you
• 12:48
  Speaker 2: were located that had any influence on that?
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: I don't really know. I just think having that break
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: between and having that break be filled with having to
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: look back at what we did twenty years ago was
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: really interesting, and I it wasn't the purpose of why
• 13:08
  Speaker 1: we did that it was like, you know, we were
• 13:12
  Speaker 1: the studio is fun, it's the most fun thing for us,
• 13:14
  Speaker 1: but it's also just super draining. And so we got
• 13:17
  Speaker 1: to the end of East and we were going to
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: just make West right away, and we were like, Nope,
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: that's not gonna happen right now, or it's gonna suck
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: if it does. And yes, it really was kind of
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: a full reset in a certain way. And I don't
• 13:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think we really realized that it had happened
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: until the record was done and out in people and
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: we started having to think about what had gone on
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: and why, you know, and I was like, oh, yeah,
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: like we spent two years or whatever like doing something
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: completely different than trying to like write something new or what.
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: It was just like re understanding what we were up
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: to a long time when we first started this thing
• 14:05
  Speaker 1: and reappreciating what was cool about it and not trying
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: to like be like, oh, right now, we need to
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: do this. But it just it just shifted something in us.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: I think.
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: So you had the time to look back throughout Thrice's
• 14:22
  Speaker 3: career long career, do you, I mean, the sound has
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: evolved so much throughout the years. Do you look back
• 14:30
  Speaker 3: at older thrice and look at it with positive eyes,
• 14:38
  Speaker 3: or do you have a different point of view about
• 14:41
  Speaker 3: the earlier records than you do now?
• 14:45
  Speaker 1: I mean that yes to a point. Like the first record,
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: Identity Crisis is like we can listen back and be like, oh, yeah,
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: that's cool, and then every song has one part that
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: just sucks. Why did we do that? Like every song? Uh?
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: But yeah, after that, I think it gets consistently better. Uh.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: It's just funny looking back at it and trying to
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: figure out what you were thinking. And like allusion to
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: safety is is wild. Like there's almost nothing that repeats
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: on that record, and I didn't realize how how much
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: that's true, Like it barely has I think there's like
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: one two songs maybe they have a chorus that like
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: like it's like it's just going and doing this weird
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: linear journey and uh yeah, And I remember it freaked
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: Brian out and we were trying to make that record
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: when he's just like, what are you guys doing? It's strange.
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: So but but yeah, looking looking back at it and
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: and the distance really lets you let your guard down
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: about appreciating it or or you know, having it be
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: associated with you and I think when it's closed, you're like, no, no,
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: I'm doing something new. It's cooler, it's you know, it's different.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: I've always been like curious about, you know, especially with
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: your evolution and your sound, and especially with this like
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: new album with it really does incorporate again, at least
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, like all the things that Thrice does
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: really well. It's one of those albums where, you know,
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: and I think there's maybe some other Thrice albums that
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: does this really well, but this album in particular really
• 16:37
  Speaker 2: just does all the things that you guys do really well,
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: like the heavy parts, the more ambient, slow melodic parts,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: like you just you do it all really well. And
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: I like often think about the fact that, and I
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: think Thrice is unique in this way where like more
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: or less like you've had the same guys throughout this
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: entire almost thirty years. I could be wrong, but maybe
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: maybe there's been like some like touring members occasionally, but
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: like for the most part, like you guys have had
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: the same people for nearly thirty years, and like I'm
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: just curious, like as people as like friends, as like
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: like I know, you guys like grew up together, Like
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: that must be like that that's a unique thing, like
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: I think about all the time, like Culin and I
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: are totally different. And from how long ago was that,
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: like twelve years ago? Like I mean, if you would
• 17:29
  Speaker 2: have met Colin and I twelve years ago, Dustin, like
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: you've been like these are entirely different people, And if
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: you would have met us like twelve years ago, knowing
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: where we're at now, like you've been like, there's not
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: good chance, Like these guys are gonna be friends. Like
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: you guys have been together for over thirty years and
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: you still are friends, Like you still care about each other,
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: You're still able to like do a thing together, which
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: that's a whole other thing. Like that to me is
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: like how have you been able to do that throughout
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: all these years and still being able to like creatively
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: figure out like we're gonna create something really unique and
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: also like still true to who we are. But I'm
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: just curious, like from that longevity with the fact that
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: like it's like the same people for the most part.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just been us the whole time. I think
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: all those things you're talking about are kind of related
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: in the sense that doing the thing that we all
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: love together is part of what keeps it going, like,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: and I think it's because we really line up on
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: the values that we have as a band, like why
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: we're doing this, why we've ever done it, And it's
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: always been about the music and the kind of pure
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: joy of creating something and then getting to share it
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: with people rather than having, you know, any external rewards
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: or goals that we're pushing towards. So it's always just
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: been that's the focus, and then we figure out if
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: we can make a living after the fact, and so
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: that I think that unity of vision is in a
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: large part the glue that kind of holds this whole
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: thing together. That and as you were saying earlier, I
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: am chill. The other guys are chill. We're generally mellow humans,
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: and so there's not a lot of drama that you
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: might encounter in some other bands.
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: What do you contribute? Is it really just truly like
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: you do you feel like you just kind of got lucky,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: or because clearly you've met and have toured with other
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: bands where like that's not the case where you get
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: kind of personalities that just don't work together. But you
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: guys are just kind of at a place where you
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: just are easy along with to be honest.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean maybe it's because we, in different ways
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: knew each other before we were doing a band thing,
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: and there's just a vibe but that and we've also
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: not together, so like there's an amount of shaping that
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: happens to all of you, you know, together too as
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: you move through that long a period.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like again, like I Colin and I
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: we we met when Colin we were like fifteen, maybe
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: I was thirteen, and Colin and I have gone through
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: plenty of our arguments and disagreements or whatever, and like,
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: at the end of the day, like we love each
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: other and we've grown together, and there's the reason why
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: we're still best friends, and there must be like some
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: sort of like you know, anybody who's experienced that kind
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: of level of like friendship or relationship probably can attest to.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: You know, you grow with one another, And I would
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: imagine what's interesting is like as much as like you've
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: been able to do that with like three other dudes,
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I would imagine like each one of you has been
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: able to do that with like partners and like children,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: even like I know there's children involved in the band,
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: and so like there's just something to be said about
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: the fact that, like you intertwine all these relationships where
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: it's like it takes a long time and there's a
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: growth and there's changing and at the end of the
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: day you just sort of figure it out and you're
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: able to still create something really cool. So yeah, I
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: just I don't know, there's just something really cool about
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: that to me.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: I agree, And there's something that comes from it musically
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: that you can't really get at another way, Like playing
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: with people together that long, you start to have your
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: own kind of shared language of how you talk about
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: it and how you play music, and there's no shortcut
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: to that. I think.
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah, does it feel like a marriage at times?
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: Sure, it's. I mean it's a I mean maybe less
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: like a marriage and more like a family, you know,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: in the sense that there's multiple dynamics happening. It's not
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: just you know, one person one person. Yeah, it's it's
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: very much like a family in that sense where you know,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: it's not like, of we're friends, but it's not the
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: kind of friend thing where you're like, man, that guy
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: was annoying. I'm not going to hang out with him
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: so much anymore. Like it's like it's like it's your brother,
• 22:17
  Speaker 1: so you know he's annoying right now, but your brother's
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: so you're gonna hang out more and and then you
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: get over it and you grow together and whatever.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: So sure, well, I think Colin and I both have
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: brothers that are brothers, but they're annoying and we get
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: over it and we figure it out.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: That's true. You know, I've always found your writing style
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: to be, your lyrical writing style to be so interesting.
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it is very it's almost like it's
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: of a different era, just because not a lot of
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: people in rock bands in general, I feel, make really
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: introspective got of music these days, and maybe they think
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: that they that they are, but at least it's not
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: scratching that same mich that I get from Thrice. Ever,
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: having you on this many times, I don't know why
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: I've never asked you this, but where do you find
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: yourself getting your inspiration for lyrical.
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: Content besides like Moses and Abraham and you know, all
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: the other people of your generation. I think that's what
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: Colin was trying to say, was not what I was.
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: Uh No, I feel like part of what you're getting
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: at and saying that it's like there is a what
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: would be the bright when I say that, I don't know.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: I think a lot of it's I'm like a very
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: nerdy word person, like I care a lot about words
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: like and especially in how they get crafted together in songs,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: and so I think there's maybe in and I appreciate, well,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I appreciate like free first stuff too, but there's something
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: about a really like well crafted sonnet or something or
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: like what like something that has a really strong structure,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: but someone's able to work within that structure and do
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: something really interesting. I think sometimes that can be more
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: powerful depending on the circumstance. And I think I do
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff a lot, which is not generally
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: a rock kind of thing to do. It feels it
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: feels a little like from another era. I get that, Yeah,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: I mean or like like hymns honestly, like where it's
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: it's this neatly crafted thing. So I can do that
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: to a fault. And so there's elements that that I
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: try to loosen up and have tried to loosen up
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: over time. But and I think I've kind of found
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: my voice in that a little bit. And I really
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: these days let the song dictate a lot of where
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: I get with that kind of stuff, Like if it's
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: so like back to your question, like the things that
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: inspire the lyrics, what's going on? It's I mean, what's
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: going on in the world, what's going on in the
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: things that I am ingesting and like you know, reading, watching, whatever,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and then what's going on in the song itself? And
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the song's kind of already starting to tell a story,
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: and so I'm really trying to pay attention to that
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: so that I can tell a story that maps onto
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: it and it kind of a sentence from there and
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: becomes something bigger than either part on its own. Yeah,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: So it's like I take those things. I'm kind of
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: thinking about different things that are going around me or
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: that I read, and then I'm listening to the music
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: and it starts to have a gravity that pulls some
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: of those ideas towards it almost and then I find
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: an anchor point or a thing that I started to
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: be like, Okay, I think that's the heart of the song.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: Now I gotta start building it out from there.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: I appreciate that you said sonet like and and a
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: little more like form to it, but not necessarily you know,
• 26:33
  Speaker 3: strict form or anything like that, Like you don't use
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: like ten dollars words or anything like that to try
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: to to.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Try to I used to eat a little bit. I mean,
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: there's if it's the right word, I'll use it.
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm still waiting for concrescence or actual occasion, but
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: that still doesn't happen to do.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: I mean that the record starts with spirit hides between
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: the glamoured grip of words, So it's it's there that
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: you know that song has a little higher, you know
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: language point Tepe talked me out of. This is true.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: It used to say spirit hides betwixt the glamored gript words,
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: and it did that because there was this very specific
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: rhyme that it locked in with afterwards with a midst.
• 27:27
  Speaker 1: And I get really nerdy about that stuff. And he's like,
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I think he should just say between man. I was like,
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: I think you're right, Okay. It's like right out of
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: the gate, You're like, oh, you're going to drop at
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: betwixt you ever?
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Are you ever?
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: Like? You know what?
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Tell me you're you're just like the guitar guy liked,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: what do you get to say on the third line?
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: Third third word? No? I started I used to be
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: a lot more guarded with the lyrics and uh wait
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: to the end to show everyone it's just it was
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: not helpful. So I try to I try to be
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: a lot more open with it and invite the feedback.
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: So it's probably smart well along this.
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: A lot, but but yeah, so I try to pay
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: attention when it's.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: There along those lyrics. Like, you know, clearly you're like
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: a person who was very intentionally sort of trying to
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: craft these things. You know, obviously clearly you're you know,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: taking into account what your band members might have input on.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: Are there maybe other lyricists or poets where when you
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: read them or listen to them, you're like, kind I'm
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: kind of jealous that they got that line, you know,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: Like I know I'm not I'm neither a lyricist or
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: a poet, but like there's times where like Catherine Keller
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: will say something where I'm like, Jesus, why did I
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: not get that one? Or or like, you know, Aaron
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: Weiss to me, like as much as I'm not like
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: a lyrics person, but like Aaron Weiss has got some
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: good ones where I'm like, that's that's such a good
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: that's a good line, But yeah, are there people in
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: your life or even like Josh Goggan'll shout out to
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: the chart again the million time in this podcast, but yeah,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: are there are there people that you listen to or
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: read where you're like, god that like I can't believe
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: they got that line, and that kind of ticks me
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: off that they got that one.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't usually get the like
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: it ticks me off. I just kind of im in
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: hobbit sometimes. And it's usually the ones that I notice
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: a lot are like people that write very differently than me,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: because it's like that's.
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: Something that you wouldn't maybe put into your lyrics.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah that I am like, I couldn't do that, And
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know, that's interesting just just a different way
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: of processing the world and how to put that into songs.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: So a lot of that's like I think like someone
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: like like medium Build is a good example of it's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: just like and that's a it's just I think people
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: who do this well like just kind of like I
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: maybe David Bizhan does this too a bit where it's
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: just like I'm just throwing all the shit on the
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: table and you're like, oh shit, you're just you're putting
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: it right there, yep, and you know, the weird, embarrassing
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: feeling things. But it has a power to it because
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: it's so it feels so intimate. It's like someone talking
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: writing your ear or something. It's it's just not how
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: I operate. I don't know if it's just because I'm
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: naturally a very introverted private person, but I don't think
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: that's all of it. I think it's just there's something
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: about the way that people find catharsists and how they write.
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: And so I mean some of my favorites, I think
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: John K. Sampson from The Weaker Than and It's All
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: this stuff is one of the best living lyricists. I
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: think he's highly underrated. You know. I like Big Black
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: Schwarzenbach Jawbreaker, Okay, Leonard Cohen is amazing, And Leonard is
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: someone that's closer to the way that I write, where
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: it's you know, you wrote a poem for him a lot,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: and so sometimes like what that'll do is just create
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: these turns that are just staggering, the way that they
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: kind of come around and deliver on what came before. Yeah,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: I think I really like the poetry Mary Oliver is amazing,
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: and there's there's such a bluntness and.
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: She would like the brevity of her poems typically was like,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: really well, it would like she could like say like
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: one word and for whatever reason, would it would almost
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: communicate a whole sentence like she had that.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: I feel like what she does really well is is
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: gets out of the way like she It feels very
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: unself conscious. She feels very comfortable just writing it down,
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: like and she would go out and just write it down.
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: That was your thing. And I don't know, I really
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: like her and pros wise personally, Kayla Gwen has come
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: to be my favorite. She's just fantastic.
• 32:15
  Speaker 3: So do you find yourself more drawn to that instead
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: of maybe the more comfort writing, then would you find
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: yourself more looking towards the styles that are not like
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: you and instead of the styles that you would maybe
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: more align with. I should say I.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Like it all, man, I like it all. I just
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: if it's if it's doing something really good, I'm there
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: for it.
• 32:44
  Speaker 3: I asked because I was thinking back to something my
• 32:47
  Speaker 3: dad had told me when I was growing up. My
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: dad's a very good singer, and he shared with me
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: one time that he only listens to artists that he
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: can't sing at all because he finds that to be
• 33:03
  Speaker 3: the only thing appealing. He's like, if I can do it,
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: then they're not that good. So I under think that
• 33:09
  Speaker 3: that's kind of why I ask, because I think that's
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: an interesting point of view.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I think there's there's definitely a draw to something that
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: you feel is outside of something that's in your wheelhouse
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: that I think that's true at least, especially or more
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: true thinking about like singers for me, Like if they
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: can sing in a way that's just super different for me,
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: that's that's intriguing. I think what I'm looking for in
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: voice is more than anything, is being able to really
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: communicate emotion and something raw. I don't really have any
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: draw to, like just a really good voice in a
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: traditional sense.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Along those lines, I'm always curious especially for artists been around,
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: you know, as long as as Thrice, Like, you know,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: there's something we said like if you're you know, a
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: younger band, you've maybe in those first like few years
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: where you're you're still kind of figuring yourself out. But
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: the Rice, you know, you guys have so many albums,
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: you've been around for so long for you personally Dustin,
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: Like what's the thing as an artist that you're trying
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: to work on? Like you know, you're you're talking a
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: little bit about how there's maybe some like from like
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: a lyricist standpoint, like there's like people where you're like, oh,
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: like that's something that you know maybe I wouldn't do,
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: but I'm like a little like, oh that would be
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: something and be interesting. Or maybe it's like from a
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: songwriting and standpoint, like just the way you compose songs,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: or maybe it is like just from your voice where
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: you're like, oh, I really love that voice and that's
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: something maybe I could do that I'd love to work on.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: Or maybe it's even like just from guitar playing. But
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: I'm just curious, like is there something where you're like
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: I would love to work on that, or I am
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: working on that to maybe incorporate that into Thrice at
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: some point, Because I'm always really curious, Like you know,
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: you hear like from athletes like this is the thing
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: that the quarterback's trying to work on, or this is
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: like what the basketball player is trying to work on.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Like I'm curious for an artist, like what's the thing
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: that you're wanting to work on to that you think
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: might make Thrice a better band moving on to the future.
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: Hmm. I mean the thing that comes to mind is
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a little different maybe than what you're asking about. It
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: just I'm always trying to figure out how to keep
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: my voice really strong on the road. It can be difficult,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: especially like starting tours, I end up getting like swollen
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: in my throat, and then if I'm not really careful
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: with that, it'll you know, just totally get wrecked and
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: I'll have to you know, cancel a show or whatever.
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: So trying to figure that stuff out, and I weirdly enough,
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: on this last tour it started happening. I got some
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: steroids to like get through that period to like keep
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: the swelling in check, but it was still hard, and
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: I really was trying to focus when I was singing
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: on like what is actually feeling good like in my
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: body for my throat in the way that I'm doing this,
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: And I feel like I kind of unlocked something in
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: the process of doing that, which was like people always say, like,
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: you know, sing from your gut, you know, like that's
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: where the power comes from or whatever, and sometimes that
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: stuff it never A lot of times it hasn't made
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: sense to me, just okay, breathe out of your guys.
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: It's like it's all the same place, right, And I
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: don't I don't know. I don't think I have generally
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: a very good body awareness, which is something I've worked
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: on over time too. But I think in the process
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: of not trying to hurt myself, I started unlocking, like
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: breathing from singing for my gut and I almost felt
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: like I was like a like a bagpipe and I
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: was like I could hold there and there and then
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: can control the pressure more and if there was more
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: pressure or consistency, like I could keep it feeling really
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: solid and healthy. And by the end of that tour,
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: I felt like I was singing really well and people
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: kept coming up to me, It's like, you sound really
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: good this So I don't know what's going on, And
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: I think that was a part of it is I
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I figured something like that out. So that was interesting.
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: It's all those kettle ball swings, right, Uh.
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: Well, you kind of have like a chameleon kind of voice,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: so how does that breath support change kind of some
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: of the you know, the the tonal inflections that you
• 37:47
  Speaker 3: that you play with, because I mean, you I mean
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: you really do kind of a little bit of everything.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, breath is really important no matter what you're doing.
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: Like you would think, oh, if it's quiet, you barely
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: need a neat breath, but weirdly, you need a lot
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: of breath to control when you're singing quiet, otherwise it'll
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: just fall apart.
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: Like it's almost harder.
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: No, it really, it really can be.
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: I mean also going back to your you know, unlocking
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: new things, like everyone tripped out on Vesper, like all
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: the falsetto that I'm doing on that, which was not
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: like a very conscious thought for me to be like, oh,
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: this is going to be super different. We just it
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: was kind of on my demo because I had to
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: be quiet when I was tracking the melody originally, and
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: then we were like, oh, that's kind of cool, and
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: then I was going to do it on one verse
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: and then the guy's are like, no, just keep it
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: at cool, like, keep doing it. But everyone when the
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: song came out, they're like, is that Tippi? Is that ed?
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: I was like, it's me. I've done False Settle before.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Guys like, I don't know why this is so weird.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: I hadn't done as much but so apparently that's a
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: new people people like that, so I think I also
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: think there was a bit of for a while when
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: like Boniever was first super popular and I thought if
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: I did more of it, every I'm just like, oh,
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: it's just trying to do bony Bear. And then by
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: this point I didn't even think about it so well.
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: When I think of Thrice, I often think about Boniver,
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: So that's like a common misunderstandment, so I get it
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: makes sense. One of the things I've I've heard you
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: talk about before when when we've hung out that I
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: don't know if this is like more publicly known or not,
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: but you said before, like you know, you guys as
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: Thrice like have kind of your own little like studio,
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: Like I don't know if one of the guys has
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: like a sort of gridge in the backyard kind of thing,
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: but it like has created like a place where like
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: you guys can rehearse demo out and all of that,
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: and it has sort of changed the ability for Thrice
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: to be Like I don't know, I think you even
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: mentioned before like it's almost like sort of saved the band.
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: I don't know if that's like the words you've used
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: me with me before. But there's something about like the
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: fact that you like kind of have this space where
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: you can kind of go to where you all can
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: hang out, rehearse, demo out or whatever, and it, I
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: don't know, there's something about that. And then I'm curious,
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: like how you maybe saw that play out for this
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: particular album.
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was the first time we did it.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: We built it out I guess like out of the pandemic.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: So we we recorded we recorded everything there now, but
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: we recorded Horizons East there and the artists the Ambulance
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: were recording and we had in the past a very
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: very very small studio in Debbe's backyard that we did
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: the Alcam Nixon but I guess beggars, but we've never
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: had a place where everything could We've always had a
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: storage place too, and like nothing ever fit and it
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: was just constantly like weird little trips back and forth
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: and we got stuff stolen whatever. And finally, like this
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: place is one of those kind of you know, small
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: office industrial things where there's like a roll up garage
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: thing and we built basically a live room into it.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: It's pretty soundproof and we have all our storage there
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: for touring stuff. It's just it's very nice to not
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: you know, it's costs money, but it's not like a
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: ton more than having a smaller space and a storage space,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: and it's way way better. So I wish we'd invested
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: in it a while before that, but it is fantastic,
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: and it's it's great being able to right there demo
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: stuff and then actually track it there and this time
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: we even I think one of the better things we
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: did was we've bought a couple more mics that we needed,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: a couple more mike cables, whatever, and got it to
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: where we didn't have to change the whole room when
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: we switched from drums to guitar to vocals, and so
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: everything was kind of set up and we could go
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: back and forth depending on kind of what was happening
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: at the time, if my voice was feeling good, if
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Riley went another day to work on a song, whatever
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: it was. We had a lot more flexibility, so that
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: was key.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: Dig it. Should we move into top five? Mays?
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: Let's do it all right?
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: All right?
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: So Dustin, we prepped you up on this a little bit.
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: But maybe an artist, oh, we'll see, we'll see, But
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: an artist of two who on paper you should like,
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: but for whatever reason you just can't get into. And
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: then if if you're willing to an artist on paper
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: that maybe you shouldn't like, but for whatever reason, he
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: just really love. So I think I give you the
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: example a little bit ago where an artist on paper
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: that I should like but I just can't get into
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: is law dispute. I think for Culin, like a classic
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: example for him is Deftones. For whatever reason, just Colin
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: can't get into deaf Tunes, even though on paper that's
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: a band that he should like.
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: Deaf Tunes.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: Deaf Tunes, Deftones, you know, you should read whatever, whatever
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: you know, it's a ska band either way, right. And
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: then and then an artist on paper that you shouldn't
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: like but you do again for me, Boney Vere Soufion
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: that kind of like indie folk stuff. I just absolutely
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: love those two artists. But for the most part, almost
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: any one of those other kind of artists maybe Fleet
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: Foxes would be in that like Vain for me too
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: that I really like, but other than that, that's kind
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: of it, like there's really not many other artists like
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: that that I really like. And then for Colin, I
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: don't know if there's like another.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: Say, like Lana del Rey is a good existence.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's led.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: Into pop divas. But for some reason, well I don't
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: know if she's necessarily a diva, but man, yeah, just
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: there's no reason I should like her, but I do.
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: So I don't know if you've got maybe a couple
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: of artists for both of those categories, Dustin, it'd be fun.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: To talk about.
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, so the first one is something on paper
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: that I should like but don't.
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, or if you want to go the other way around,
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: that's fine too.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Can I give you one that like changed, because I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: feel like that might be interesting. Like I never liked
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: seely Dan. I never liked Celia, and my dad loves
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Steely Dan, and I listened to like all my dad's
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: records growing up. I would go through and I was,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: you know, into all the Beatles and Zeppelin and Stones
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: and Steve Miller Van what all these whatever like, And
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: for some reason just was like, I can't do seely Dan.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: I don't know. If I didn't like that name, I
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: don't know what it was. I don't and I would
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: know the songs might'd be like I don't know. I
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: had this weird push against certain kinds of seventies vibes
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: for a bit, and I think I think the gateway
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: to me, honestly this is weird was, uh, you know
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: Dawes the band das d A w E s Okay
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: does is fantastic. Oh, that guy's a genius lyricist. Taylor
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: Everything's name. But so they have a record that's called
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: All your Favorite all your Favorite Bands something like that,
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: and it's really good. But it's like really kind of
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: pulling a lot from that, a certain seventies kind of sound.
• 45:51
  Speaker 3: Kind of like West Coast.
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's like these great harmonies and great guitarist. Anyway,
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: I almost couldn't listen to it, and I was like,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do this, and then
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: it clicked and then I was like, yes, I love
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: this so much. And then I think that unlocked Steely
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Dan for me, and now I love Steely Dan. That's
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: not really so, but it is interesting.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: What's your favorite Steely Dan record?
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't, okay, So I'm not I'm not
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: saying I'm not like, okay, I yes, I have not
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: gone into like I'm going to go through the discogracy
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: and really, but I love whenever I hear Steely Dan
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: now and will listen.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: So what was the tune of Steely Dan that you
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: heard that You're like, okay, I get it now, right,
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: buy it now?
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: Hmm. Let me think. I can't think of names of
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: anything if I don't look it up.
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know if I like could really honestly
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: name like most Steely Dan names of their of their songs,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: but like, if I hear it, I'm like, oh, yeah,
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: that's Steely Dan.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think black Cat. I think I think
• 47:11
  Speaker 1: maybe it was like because a lot of them I
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: knew from like radio growing up like things.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: And like you just exist in the US in the
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: nineties and two thousands, you hear it.
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: But I think maybe one day, like listening to really
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: in the years, I was just like, this is really good.
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, really good. I don't know dirty work is good?
• 47:33
  Speaker 3: Dirty work.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: See, I don't know about like Orange County. And I'm
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: sure you guys have like your own version of this.
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: I'm again correct me if I'm wrong, But at least
• 47:43
  Speaker 2: where Colin and I grew up in in South Dakota
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: on lakes like and especially now that I'm like in Minnesota,
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: Like my version of Steely Dan, or like my memory
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: of Steely Dan is like you're just like on a
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: yacht or maybe not a yacht, but like.
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: A yachts out here.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: You know, I have those You're on a You're on
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: a pontoon, that's what we Yeah, and you're on a
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: pontoon and you got it. You crack, you crack that beer,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: you crack that you know, like either grain belt, remember
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: those grain belts, or like a Miller High Life you
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: crack one of those open and you just listen to
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: some Steely Dan on the lake in Minnesota or South
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: Dakota in the middle of like July, Like there's just
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: like nothing better, like nothing not a better experience. And
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: I'm sure like there's an Orange County version of that.
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying, but like that that's my experience of it.
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: I think that's that's a solid experience, and I agree
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: with you.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: That's why it's called Yeah, I mean makes sense.
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, pontoon rock for us, I feel like that feels
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: better than me when I think of thrice, I think
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: a pontoon.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Rock, that's houseboat rock, a rock.
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: All right, So that was an answer that didn't really
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: makes sense to your question.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: But I think that's perfect. Actually, I think that's a
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: great answer.
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: It touches it touches both ends of the of the question.
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: Okay, well maybe that's that's my my hybrid answer then,
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: because I don't know how to get you.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: Do you have any other artists kind of in that
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: category of like maybe on paper you wouldn't like, but
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: for whatever reason you just do.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Mmm.
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: I'm sure I'm gonna like think of one like in
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: the middle of the night and be like, dang it,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: but now I can't. I can't think of one right now.
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: That's fine, all right? What about on the inverse category,
• 49:38
  Speaker 2: So artists that on paper you were like, all right,
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: this makes sense that I should like them, but they
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: just can't get into them. Like what what what artists
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: come up to mind for that?
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I think that's what I was saying
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: about Steely, because like, I don't know, Oh, is that what?
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: That was your thing?
• 50:00
  Speaker 1: That's what I was getting into it.
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: Like, but I you should definitely name a contemporary of
• 50:08
  Speaker 3: yours that's temporary.
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's hard because I don't listen to like almost
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: any thing that would come up on like a if
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: you look right, you like this, like that does never
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: makes sense to me. Well that's not true. There's there's
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: stuff on there that does there. But there are and
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: I think in the past couple of years that stuff's
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: gotten better or it's just knows the.
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: Writing.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I don't know under Us.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: I mean I don't listen Underath at all. Maybe maybe, yeah,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: there's stuff like that that I just have, like you
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: know this, you're like things you're like you mean to
• 50:57
  Speaker 1: get around listening to.
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: At some point you just never sounds like that's fair,
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: that's fair.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: Was like that for a while and then they become
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite bands. I had a friend that
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: would be like, you got to listen to National. I
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: was like, eh, I just I hadn't heard any of
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: it in one day, so I heard it. I was like,
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: this is my favorite.
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: So what's your like current version maybe of that where
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: it's like, all right, I've listened to them, I've given
• 51:20
  Speaker 2: it like my best and I just like can't do it,
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Like it just doesn't it doesn't work for me, Like,
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: what what's it like? Is there a version of that
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: of a band where it's like, all right, I've listened
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: to everything I possibly could and it just doesn't quite
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: click for whatever reason.
• 51:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe it'd be easier if it was like a bigger
• 51:41
  Speaker 3: band like Foo Fighters or something like that, where like
• 51:45
  Speaker 3: you really can't escape their music.
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that.
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: I mean we're corn.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Like. I still like corn.
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: I definitely know people like with like Lincoln Park like
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: that where they're like, you can't escape Lincoln Park because
• 52:14
  Speaker 2: of that, because you can't escape them. You've listened to
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: everything you possibly could and you just can't get into them,
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: even though I think a lot of people who love
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: Lincoln Park would be like, have you really truly listen
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: to all other stuff?
• 52:28
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm striking out on this one. My brain
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: is not a good man.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: You're totally finod Mason. Mason really wanted to know.
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: I just I'm curious because I'm like, the thing with you,
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Destin is like you truly are a music fan, Like
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: there are a lot of like even more obscure artists
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: that you listen to, and and so I was just curious,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: like if you happen to know, like any any bands
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: that you're like, you know what, I should like that band,
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: but I just can't get into him.
• 52:54
  Speaker 3: He's still trying to really in. I was willing to
• 52:56
  Speaker 3: let you off the hook a while ago.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: You know who I need to listen to?
• 53:01
  Speaker 3: It's like, there you go, how about how about a
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: band that you need to listen to?
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, so I need to listen to Captain
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: Beefheart because I've only ever heard a little bit, but
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: he has such a big influence on Tom Waits, and
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: Tom Waits is my favorite, so that's it's a weird.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: I almost think that there's some kind of internal hesitancy
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: of like if I don't love it, am I letting
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: Tom Waits down? I don't know.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: I don't know why it is, Honestly, I feel that
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: way about like Fugazi, like so many bands I love
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: love Fugazi, uh, And I'm like there's like the one
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: song like Waiting Room or whatever, like that's a good song.
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Better than that. I'm like, this just sounds like mostly
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: like hardcore punk, and that's kind of it for me.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: Like it like, I'm like, I think there's more interesting
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: bands from that era, But.
• 53:52
  Speaker 3: You're allowed to be wrong, Mason, and I'm like.
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: I'm allowed to be wrong, and I'm sure I am, like,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: like there is something to be said about like the
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: fact that like they were so committed to their ethic
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: and everything in the way that like to me, like
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: the Fugazi version of where when I grew up was
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: like me without you. But I don't know, Like there's
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: just something about their music where I'm like, like I
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: get it, it makes sense, like on paper it makes sense,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: but like I just can't get into them.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: Let me give you this perspective on Pegausian and see
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: if next time you listen if it changed the right.
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: But listen to them thinking about I think this is
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: the way they make sense to me. It just sounds
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: like everybody is playing what feels good to play, Like
• 54:36
  Speaker 1: it's it's not about thought at all. It's all about
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: like feeling it feels vigorous or like what does it
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: feel like to move my hand like this on the
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: strings right now?
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: And like.
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, there's there's something so like
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: in the body about it. I don't know.
• 54:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah it feels natural, Yeah.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just and I think that's why it was
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: different than everything it was there was tapping into something
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: completely different than it.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: To me, Like the most like redeeming part of Fugazi
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: is the fact that, like, you know, what, what did
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: they start like in the mid eighties, and my dad
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: would have been in high school. Like I often think
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: about the fact that, like my dad could have been
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: a Fugazi fan because he graduated in like eighty six
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: or eighty seven from high school, Like he could have
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: been in a Fugazi fan and never did. And I'm like, God,
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: my dad could have been cool. It was, And that
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: to me is like the most redeeming part of Fugazi
• 55:39
  Speaker 2: is the fact that, like my dad could have been cool,
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: but he wasn't because he wasn't a Fugazi fan.
• 55:44
  Speaker 3: I like that there's still hope, there's still time, Mason.
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: Not for my dad. No, he's too far gone. Yeah
• 55:50
  Speaker 2: he listens to too much whatever on.
• 55:54
  Speaker 3: A golf course with him. See what happens.
• 55:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's just it's too it's too far. He's
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: too far gone. He's you know, he's he's whatever. Is
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: that like anti like fugazi, you know, like poison, he's
• 56:06
  Speaker 2: gotten too far gone on that. So anyway, Dustin, what
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: do you want to pluck? Obviously, horizons West is already out.
• 56:13
  Speaker 2: People can get it. The tour has already ended. I
• 56:16
  Speaker 2: saw you guys play. It was awesome. It was like
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite concerts of twenty twenty five. And yeah,
• 56:22
  Speaker 2: anything else you want to plug around that. I don't
• 56:24
  Speaker 2: know if you guys are playing any shows this year
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: in twenty twenty six or not, but yeah.
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean we're going to Europe if you're listening
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: there in Australia, and then we're gonna be playing a
• 56:33
  Speaker 1: bunch of random kind of fests throughout the rest of
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: the year and possibly a tour at the end of
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: the year. Also, I just finally, it's very late because
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: it's been it's a crazy thing, but we I got
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: the special edition of the vinyl and it's seriously wild.
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you've seen the video, but did
• 56:56
  Speaker 2: you open it up already?
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: I just said yeah. But it's so there's die cuts
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: in all these that go through multiple layers.
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: Nice.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: So if I had a sideways so this is the
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: lyrics on this thing that slides through shows through you
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: can see through different two different levels of paper here
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: and then so one thing is is it inside that all?
• 57:23
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: But then some go through all the way.
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: You can see this is like looks like something I
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: would have played with when I was like two years old.
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: It's it's so cool this, Yeah, Jordan's just oh that's
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: a beautiful and it's very there. I don't know which
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: colors I've left, but there are. I think some copy
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: is the super special guy if you check opside, I'm sure.
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: So how much fun is it to be able to
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: hold like a physical medium and I guess specialized. It's
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: not just like a said, a jewel case. It's how
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: cool is it to just hold the physical medium of
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: It's great? It's it's of your own music.
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: It is a physical manifestation. It's literally little grooves on there.
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, records in general are just magical.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: But is it better than holding a child that you
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: just made? Oh?
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: For sure? Do you doesn't on you?
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: Just do you get the feeling of, like, of more
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: permanence when you get that in your hands, Like your
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: music is going to be more permanent than it otherwise
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: would be mm hmmm. Because I like, the Internet goes
• 58:41
  Speaker 3: down tomorrow and you don't have vinyl out there, no
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: one's listening to your stuff. Unfortunately, I don't.
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I thought about that way, but
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: I like that.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: Interesting though, I don't know.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: And there there's something you said about like, you know,
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: there's like very popular artists like on Spotify just because
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: they're on Spotify and you know maybe they had like
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: some huge like TikTok hit or whatever. But there's something
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: you said like those people don't have vinyls. But but
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: like a band like Thrice, yeah, or CDs you but
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: there's like there's bands like Thrice where yeah, you might
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: not have like the TikTok hit that's gonna make you,
• 59:17
  Speaker 2: you know, tens of millions of like monthly listeners, but
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: like you're at least gonna have however many vinyls you sell,
• 59:23
  Speaker 2: and people are gonna have permanent music, uh. And those
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: are the people that are also going to show up
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: to your shows. And you know, these like TikTok Big,
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: you know, popular people like you know they might.
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: Have I'm not gonna say, I'm not gonna' that's cool, TikTok.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: It's just never ever gonna happen for us. That's that's
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: not the kind of thing that.
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, come on at the face for TikTok Dustin.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: No and then like Jordan is like this has definitely
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: got to win a Grammy, like the design, not the
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: records that I'm just like, I just feel bad. I'm like,
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: it's not gonna have a dude like that is not
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: in the cards for my band. And I am sorry
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: that our curse of certain things.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: Well, now that you're on the Blacksheet podcast, it's a
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 2: real possibility.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 1: That's true.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: That's true.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, we just we never get syncs, so we never
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: get like stuff in movies or shows. Like it's just
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: Normal Jean won a Grammy, I believe for their album
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Art once they were nominated for their nominated nominated for
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: Oh God, never won it.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: So yeah, Tooth and Nail has never won a Grammy.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 2: They've only ever been nominated.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: So yeah.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 2: Anyway, h fun fact for you Tooth and Nail kids
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: out there. Anyway, Dustin, thank you so much for hanging
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: out with us. You're always the best. I can't wait
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 2: to hang out with you again. You're just You're just
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 2: such a chill dude. And uh, you know, I was
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: on the West Coast this last week, way farther north
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 2: than you were. But yeah, I'll see you sometime and
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: uh yeah, I just can't wait to hang again with you.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: You're just always such a good friend.
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: It was awesome talk to you guys. Thank you for
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: having me.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: Sam not tag done.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: I'd say.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 3: I'd say anything
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 1: I say