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Fifteen Good Minutes With Justin Haskins · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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  Speaker 1: If I've passed the hour, it is the third hour point.
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  Speaker 1: This show has just blown right by us here of
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  Speaker 1: the Morning show with President Scott. He's ose, I am Preston,
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  Speaker 1: and this back on the program once again is Justin Haskins,
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  Speaker 1: Senior fellow at the Heartland Institute. Hello, good sir, how
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  Speaker 1: are you? And happy New Year?
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  Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm great. Great to be back.
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  Speaker 1: I asked Senator Rick Scott just a few minutes ago
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  Speaker 1: he joined us. I said, so, what's going on? And
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  Speaker 1: he said, so, what do you think the last twenty
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  Speaker 1: days thirty days have been like up here? And he
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  Speaker 1: starts listing all of the things that have happened since
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  Speaker 1: Donald Trump has taken office. So let me kind of
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  Speaker 1: take that and twist it a little bit and ask you,
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  Speaker 1: what are your immediate impressions. What has stood out to
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  Speaker 1: you about these first this first month of a Trump presidency.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, I think this is the most one
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  Speaker 2: of the the takeaways for me. I remember during the
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  Speaker 2: first term of Barack Obama. Barack Obama came into office
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  Speaker 2: with this massive, you know, mandate, and he was wildly popular,
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  Speaker 2: and he did so many things both legislatively and behind
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  Speaker 2: the scenes. His administration was doing so much that it
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  Speaker 2: was really difficult for the conservative media to keep up
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  Speaker 2: with everything. And some of it was really difficult, stuff
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  Speaker 2: like monetary policy type things that things that are not
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  Speaker 2: normal to pay attention to. And so he was able
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  Speaker 2: to do a lot of really radical things behind the
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  Speaker 2: scenes without people noticing it. And I remember thinking at
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  Speaker 2: the time, I was just a college student back then.
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  Speaker 2: I remember thinking at the time, Republicans should do stuff
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  Speaker 2: like that. And so the first time in my entire life,
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  Speaker 2: a Republican is doing what I like to call shock
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  Speaker 2: and awe public policy, where you just go in from
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  Speaker 2: day one and you say we are going to do
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  Speaker 2: everything right now, and good luck trying to stop all
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  Speaker 2: of it. They might stop some of it, but they're
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  Speaker 2: not going to stop all of it, and it is
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  Speaker 2: a genius policy of strategy, and it is working very
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  Speaker 2: very well. There are just there is just no way
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  Speaker 2: for people to keep up with everything that the administration
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  Speaker 2: is doing. They are very well prepared compared to the
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  Speaker 2: first time around when they were not as well prepared,
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  Speaker 2: something they admit, and they are getting a ton of
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  Speaker 2: stuff done through executive action, which I have a problem with.
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  Speaker 2: We can talk about that later, but I think that
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  Speaker 2: that's I am very happy with what we've seen so
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  Speaker 2: far because of that aggressive approach. It is working.
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  Speaker 1: I have likened and again I shared this with the Senator,
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  Speaker 1: the reaction of Democrats to, for example, the exposure of
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  Speaker 1: u USAID and how much money has been given out
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  Speaker 1: and what we likely know now are the real players
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  Speaker 1: in the pay to play with Hillary Clinton, the foundation
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  Speaker 1: and all of that stuff. The reaction though, justin of Democrats,
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  Speaker 1: it's off the chain. It's unhinged, and it reminds me
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  Speaker 1: of an alcoholic or a drug addict that is just
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  Speaker 1: demanding their drugs or their booze. They're acting like they're
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  Speaker 1: addicted to government money spending in Largesse. And it's kind
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  Speaker 1: of accurate, isn't it.
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  Speaker 2: They are, Oh, it's one hundred percent accurate when people
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  Speaker 2: fail to miss about government spending. And this is proving
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  Speaker 2: it right here, is that it's not just an economic issue.
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  Speaker 2: The more government spending is government spending has skyrocketed over
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  Speaker 2: the past ten years. It was already out of control
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  Speaker 2: before that. Government spending is a sign of government power.
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  Speaker 2: It's core. There's a correlation there. The more the spending
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  Speaker 2: goes up. The weren't power the government has. It's not
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  Speaker 2: just about dollars and cents and making sure the dollar
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  Speaker 2: is you know, strong and all of that. It's also
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  Speaker 2: about government power. And the left has done an amazing
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  Speaker 2: job of increasing its power through executive action, through these
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  Speaker 2: gigantic spending bills that have all kinds of stuff in it,
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  Speaker 2: buried in it that nobody knows anything about. Republicans, the
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  Speaker 2: weaker ones have gone along with all of this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: In some cases they've been part of the problem.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, and now you.
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  Speaker 2: Have these out of control agencies all over the place
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  Speaker 2: funded with these you know, massive budgets that nobody knows
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  Speaker 2: what they're doing. And so, yeah, Donald Trump's mission here
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  Speaker 2: is to tear down the administrative state, and he is
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  Speaker 2: aggressively trying to do that. And this is sort of
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  Speaker 2: the this is this is the long term plan for
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  Speaker 2: success for the left for the past you know, half
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  Speaker 2: century at least, and it's all being torn down piece
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  Speaker 2: by piece. And yeah, if I was them, I'd probably
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  Speaker 2: be pretty upset.
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  Speaker 1: So Justin Haskins with me co author's books with Glenn Beck,
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  Speaker 1: prolific writer, commentator, senior fellow with the Heartland Institute. But
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  Speaker 1: he's our friend here in the Morning Show with Preston
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  Speaker 1: Scott justin the most harrowing days of my childhood could
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  Speaker 1: be summarized by the words that my mom would speak
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  Speaker 1: to me, clean your room. When I was asked to
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  Speaker 1: clean my room, it was a horrifying prospect because I
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  Speaker 1: had no idea where to start. So you mentioned just
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  Speaker 1: a few minutes ago that all of this is being done,
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  Speaker 1: massive amounts of work being done through executive orders. So
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  Speaker 1: where does the legislature start, Because I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: one area I would say they've got to focus on first.
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  Speaker 2: What do you think, Oh boy, yeah, I mean there's
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  Speaker 2: a lot of different things that Congress needs to do
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  Speaker 2: to fix this.
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  Speaker 1: See what I mean by cleaning your room?
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  Speaker 2: I do, yes, and and I do think that that is,
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  Speaker 2: you know, a huge problem. I think what they need
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  Speaker 2: to try to focus on is a more systemic sort
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  Speaker 2: of a fix to these issues rather than say, Okay, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, this department over here has a bunch of problems.
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  Speaker 2: We got to pass legislation to fix it, and this
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  Speaker 2: one over here, we really should tear most of that apart.
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  Speaker 2: We got to pass the legislation to fix that. I
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  Speaker 2: think all of that is is something that needs to happen.
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  Speaker 2: I'm skeptical that it will, but it needs to happen.
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  Speaker 2: But I think probably the best strategy would be, how
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  Speaker 2: can you pass a law that makes it harder for
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  Speaker 2: this to happen again in the future to begin with,
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  Speaker 2: you know, so like we've had laws passed in previous congresses,
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  Speaker 2: like the Congressional Review Act, which allows Congress to kind
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  Speaker 2: of retroactively remove regulations and things like that, and there
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  Speaker 2: there are other there are other kinds of systemic changes
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  Speaker 2: that they can make. So if there are laws that
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  Speaker 2: they could pass that make it harder for the administrative
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  Speaker 2: state to develop again or to grow even further because
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  Speaker 2: they need additional approval from Congress or to do things,
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  Speaker 2: or you know, decision making ability is taken away, or
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  Speaker 2: missions are are more limited in their definitions so that
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  Speaker 2: courts can stop more of these actions from the administratives.
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  Speaker 2: Like these are the kinds of things that I think
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  Speaker 2: are less controversial in news headlines because you're not taking
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  Speaker 2: money away from anybody or anything, but they have a
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  Speaker 2: huge effect long term on how things are done. So
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  Speaker 2: my recommendation to them would be change the systems so
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  Speaker 2: that things can't get worse in the future. That's something
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  Speaker 2: that's easier to do. You could probably slip that into
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  Speaker 2: some kind of budget bill or something like that and
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  Speaker 2: then focus on the other issues later perhaps. But I
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  Speaker 2: am very worried, very concerned that there really is nothing
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  Speaker 2: happening in Congress. It seems on the surface that is
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  Speaker 2: a big sort of sweeping we're gonna take that kind
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  Speaker 2: of action too. Everyone just seems to be kind of
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  Speaker 2: sitting back watching Trump and that's not a long term solution.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you and I have talked about that a lot,
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  Speaker 1: that we're needing Congress, and I asked Kat Camick from
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  Speaker 1: Florida that question, how do we get this stuff codified
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  Speaker 1: so that it's not just okay, the next time a
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  Speaker 1: Democrat president comes into office, they just undo it all
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  Speaker 1: and back we go with a crappy energy policy, back
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  Speaker 1: we go with intrusions into americans lives. And there's the
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  Speaker 1: heavy lift right there.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a huge, huge problem. And that's why, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the leadership in the Senate matter so much. That's why
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  Speaker 2: leadership up in the House matters like these things. These
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  Speaker 2: things matter a lot because executive orders. Look, Joe Biden,
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  Speaker 2: Joe Biden is learning this the hard way, Okay, or
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  Speaker 2: whoever was actually running the government when Joe Biden was president,
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  Speaker 2: they're learning it the hard way. All of the all
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  Speaker 2: of that, the entire agenda, four years worth of work,
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  Speaker 2: is being thrown out the window in less than a month.
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  Speaker 2: That's essentially what has happened here. And and Donald Trump
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  Speaker 2: did a very similar thing to Barack Obama when he
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  Speaker 2: came into office the first time. This time is much
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  Speaker 2: better than that time, but very similar. And they did
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  Speaker 2: the same thing to him when Biden came into office.
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  Speaker 2: So this back and forth A it's it's it doesn't
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  Speaker 2: solve the problem long term. B Uh. It's not good
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  Speaker 2: for businesses. It's not good for the American people to
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  Speaker 2: have these radical changes in how the government interprets things
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  Speaker 2: and how laws need to be applied. I mean, think
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  Speaker 2: about schools. Schools are told one minute that transgender kids
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  Speaker 2: need to be able to have access to you know,
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  Speaker 2: bathrooms and sports and all this stuff one minute. Then
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  Speaker 2: they're told they don't need to do it another minute.
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  Speaker 2: If the next president comes in as a Democrat, you
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  Speaker 2: know they're going to be told they have to do it,
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  Speaker 2: and so like, what kind of a system is that?
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  Speaker 3: You know?
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  Speaker 2: This is madness. They have to put these into law
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  Speaker 2: otherwise this is all just temporary victories.
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  Speaker 1: One more segment with Justin Haskins of the Heartland Institute,
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  Speaker 1: my guest here for a few more minutes. Justin you
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  Speaker 1: were talking about the overlaps, the comparisons between when Trump
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  Speaker 1: took off as following Obama and now taking office here
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  Speaker 1: obviously much wiser for his experiences. But I'll tell you
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  Speaker 1: something else that I think is different. I think that
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  Speaker 1: the electorate was a little more naive under Barack Obama
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  Speaker 1: with some of the changes he was authoring, and didn't
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  Speaker 1: fully understand what they were really in for. I feel
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  Speaker 1: like Trump's actions do doing exactly what he said he
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  Speaker 1: was going to do, is being embraced by some people
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  Speaker 1: in the middle and even in the moderate left, And
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  Speaker 1: I think that's different from before.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, I think that's one hundred percent true. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think people generally in the middle and certainly not
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  Speaker 2: on the right, want what the left is doing. I
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  Speaker 2: think most of the time that's true. I just think
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  Speaker 2: they often don't know what's going on. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: the strategy of the left really and in this case,
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  Speaker 2: I think, well back up a little bit. I think
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  Speaker 2: what has happened since Trump became president the first time
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  Speaker 2: is that people have really woken up on both the
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  Speaker 2: left and the right to how corrupt and dysfunctional and
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  Speaker 2: in some ways authoritarian our government has become, and how
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  Speaker 2: unresponsive it is to what people want. And they've lived
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  Speaker 2: now through COVID, They've lived through a president getting shot
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  Speaker 2: in the head. They've lived through you know, all of
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  Speaker 2: the all of the scandals and the corruption from all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of different people involved in government, the prosecution of
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  Speaker 2: a president, you know, all the multiple impeachment, all this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: And I think they've realized this whole thing is completely
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  Speaker 2: out of control and somebody needs to stop it. And
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  Speaker 2: that's why Donald Trump was put back into office. He
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  Speaker 2: wasn't put back into office, you know, he's he was
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  Speaker 2: put there with a sledgehammer. That was That's the whole
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  Speaker 2: point is to rip this whole thing down to the
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  Speaker 2: best of his ability. Now, unfortunately, he can't do it
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  Speaker 2: all on his own. He does need Congress to actually
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  Speaker 2: make these changes permanent. But he's going to do the
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  Speaker 2: best job that he can and taking power away from
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  Speaker 2: these people. And I think that that's absolutely the case,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and Elon Musk is is everyone likes to
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  Speaker 2: talk about Elon, you know, for a lot of different reasons,
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  Speaker 2: but Elon Musk is a really good example of it
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  Speaker 2: because he was a Barack Obama guy when this whole
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  Speaker 2: thing started, and now he's one of the biggest ring
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  Speaker 2: leaders in the world of ripping down government. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: think about the transition that that you know, that that
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  Speaker 2: this is an incredible transition to a person. So I
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  Speaker 2: think there's a lot of that going on right now
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  Speaker 2: in the left and the center.
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  Speaker 1: And it's great of the confirmations that I mean, we're
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  Speaker 1: going to get most all of what Trump wants across
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  Speaker 1: the finish line. What is the most consequential Is it
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  Speaker 1: our secretary of Defense or is it our attorney general
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  Speaker 1: or is it the head of the FBI? What do
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  Speaker 1: you think?
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think you could argue that attorney
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  Speaker 2: general because of how weaponized the Department of Justice and
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  Speaker 2: other you know, agencies have become. I think the National
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  Speaker 2: Security Intelligence Apparatus, you know, is something that is in
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  Speaker 2: desperate need of reform as people are completely out of control,
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  Speaker 2: so I think that's really important. But I think at
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  Speaker 2: the end of the day, my hope is that they
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  Speaker 2: rip down the Department of Education and that the greatest
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  Speaker 2: legacy for any of them is Lynda McMahon basically just
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  Speaker 2: destroying the whole thing.
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  Speaker 3: But I don't know if that's going to happen, but
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  Speaker 3: I think long term, for the sake of our children
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  Speaker 3: and just sort of the ideological future of the country,
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  Speaker 3: getting the federal government out of state education is absolutely vital,
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  Speaker 3: absolutely vital, and I hope that that is what we
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  Speaker 3: remember her for.
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  Speaker 1: Does Congress have to do that or can the President
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  Speaker 1: literally make that happen by gutting it.
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  Speaker 2: I think there's probably a lot of gutting that he
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  Speaker 2: can do, but he can't just shut the whole thing down.
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  Speaker 2: They're going to need an Act of Congress to shut
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  Speaker 2: the thing down, and that's very unfortunate, but that's just
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  Speaker 2: the reac of the situation, and all the gutting that
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  Speaker 2: he can do can be reversed. So really we need
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  Speaker 2: Congress to dramatically reform the boundaries and rules and mission
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  Speaker 2: of the Department of Education. It was never meant to
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  Speaker 2: be involved in this. I would argue it's actually unconstitutional
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  Speaker 2: vast majority of what they do. So if I was president,
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  Speaker 2: I would just destroy it, almost all of it, ninety
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  Speaker 2: five percent of it, and then say I destroyed it
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  Speaker 2: because it's unconstitutional, and then go to the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 2: and fight over it and hope that you win. I
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  Speaker 2: think that would be a perfectly fine strategy. It's not
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  Speaker 2: part of the enumerated powers. There's no reason to think
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  Speaker 2: Congress has the right to do it. We didn't have
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  Speaker 2: a Department of Education for a long time in this country.
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  Speaker 2: This is an invention of the left. There is a
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  Speaker 2: limited purpose to the Department of Education to fight segregation
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  Speaker 2: and things like that that I think is valid under
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  Speaker 2: the fourteenth Amendment.
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  Speaker 1: But that's why you have the Department of Justice and
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  Speaker 1: the Civil Rights Vision yep.
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  Speaker 2: And there's no reason to have duplicative services. So I
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  Speaker 2: don't see any reason why we need to have that
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  Speaker 2: for that purpose. But I think it's a legitimate purpose
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  Speaker 2: if you're gonna look at it constitutionally. But the vast
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  Speaker 2: majority of what they do has nothing to do with that.
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to start a new campaign Justin Haskins for
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  Speaker 1: Speaker of the House. I think the job is taken,
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  Speaker 1: but no, it's occupied. Thank you, Justin. Thanks for the time,
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  Speaker 1: my friend appreciate it all right. Justin Haskins with us
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  Speaker 1: this morning.