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Mike Shildt’s SHOCKING retirement, NLCS preview, ALCS Game 2 preview · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Doubleheader day in the LCS. We're getting the NL and
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Speaker 1: the AL side. I'm very excited about it, and we're
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Speaker 1: going to mostly talk about the postseason, not just during
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Speaker 1: the show. We are also going to talk after the game.
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Speaker 1: The first game, the ALCS Game two matchup between the
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Speaker 1: Blue Jays and the Mariners. Mariners up one oh. We
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Speaker 1: will be live on YouTube for a postgame show, just
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Speaker 1: like we were last night. Letting everyone know real quick
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Speaker 1: before we start, and actually we're going to start with
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Speaker 1: non postseason news, breaking news. But KP is a manager job.
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Speaker 1: Not sexy anymore. Like a third of the league is open.
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Speaker 2: It's a very dangerous job. I think it's still sexy,
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Speaker 2: but it seems like you got to win right now
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Speaker 2: or there's no lead up to it. There's no build up.
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Speaker 2: It's win now or get fired. Kay.
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Speaker 3: I think it's probably lost a little bit of luster
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Speaker 3: because of the fact that you're just basically a puppet
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Speaker 3: and you're told what to do, and when it doesn't
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Speaker 3: go well, they cut the strings out.
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Speaker 1: See Uh, okay, then it is less sexy. I mean
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Speaker 1: that's what you're saying.
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Speaker 3: Lost some luster. It's still sexy. I mean it's still
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Speaker 3: sexy for maybe you've never had it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Maybe if you're a guy that doesn't want to
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Speaker 2: get the strings pulled, it's a win now situation. But
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Speaker 2: if you're a little bit more willing to get your
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Speaker 2: strings pulled, you can keep your job a little bit longer.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get into this breaking news, and I
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Speaker 1: guess is going to join us in a moment too.
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Speaker 1: But let's hit it charging about charging the mound with
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Speaker 1: the breaking news that Mike Shilt is retired from his
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Speaker 1: position as manager of the San Diego Padres said two
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Speaker 1: successful seasons in the regular season, ninety plus wins, playoff appearances.
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Speaker 1: Padres bounce in the wild card round this time around.
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Speaker 1: But I think that most people expected him to return. KP.
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Speaker 1: You see this and you think, what, well.
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Speaker 2: Here retired and is it like retired in quotations or
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Speaker 2: did he really retire? I need a little bit more information.
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Speaker 1: Okay, we do have a board we can read really
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Speaker 1: quick and then we will talk to Kevin A. C.
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Speaker 1: From the San Diego Union Tribune. We do have a
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Speaker 1: quote board with a little bit more info from Mike
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Speaker 1: schlt on why he did what he did. He said
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Speaker 1: it is a decision that I thought about during the
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Speaker 1: season and became at peace with over the last ten days.
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Speaker 1: I gave every fiber of my being to help achieve
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Speaker 1: Peter Sidler's vision of bringing the World Series Championship to
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Speaker 1: San Diego. We fell short of the ultimate goal, but
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Speaker 1: I am proud of with the player staff in organization,
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Speaker 1: we're able to accomplish the last two seasons, the grind
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Speaker 1: of the baseball season has taken a severe toll on
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Speaker 1: me mentally, physically, and emotionally. While has always been about
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Speaker 1: serving others, it's time I take care of myself and
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Speaker 1: exit on my terms. Kevin, a c from the San
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Speaker 1: Diego Union Tribune just broke this story. He is joining
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Speaker 1: us right now on FT. Kevin, we appreciate the quick
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Speaker 1: hop on to the show. What is your reaction to
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Speaker 1: this news when you found out about it?
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Speaker 4: Be careful how I how I answer that I wasn't
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Speaker 4: entirely shocked. Look, there's always many layers to a story,
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Speaker 4: but I want to make sure that I make it
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Speaker 4: clear that I believe it is one true.
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Speaker 5: The things that Mike said.
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Speaker 4: He seemed weary. He seemed I don't know if burnt
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Speaker 4: out was something that I would have said before, but
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Speaker 4: now it certainly makes sense. It's a demanding job. I
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Speaker 4: have never covered a baseball manager who lives every single
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Speaker 4: game the way that Mike Schilt does. And you know,
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Speaker 4: working for AJ Preller is is uh. And I'm not
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Speaker 4: saying that it's not demanding to work in any organization
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Speaker 4: and have one of these thirty jobs, but working for
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Speaker 4: a J.
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Speaker 5: Prellers is demanding.
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Speaker 4: There's a lot of pressure, and so I want to
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Speaker 4: make clear that, like, if I believe that Mike is
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Speaker 4: telling the absolute truth about this, had worn him down.
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Speaker 5: So that's where we're at.
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Speaker 3: I mean, this is obviously very fresh news for everybody.
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Speaker 3: But when I read an article last year about how A. J.
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Speaker 3: Preller was pretty difficult to work with, was it a
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Speaker 3: more so what you had said about Preller kind of
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Speaker 3: being tough to work with and invested so much into
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Speaker 3: players or was it some of the drama that was
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Speaker 3: around the players or is it just a whole overarching
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Speaker 3: he put everything he had into it, and this is it.
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Speaker 4: I think Mike put everything he had into it, and
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Speaker 4: I don't know if that's it right. Like, there's many
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Speaker 4: layers to a story, and some of them have been
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Speaker 4: peeling back, and some of them will continue to peel back.
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Speaker 4: But I I always hesitate because I know what the
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Speaker 4: narrative is out there about AJ Preller, So I always
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Speaker 4: hesitate to just flat out talk about, oh yeah, Aja's
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Speaker 4: difficult to work with, or because I don't think that's
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Speaker 4: necessarily true, or AJ's hard to work for, which I
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Speaker 4: do think can be in the manager's seat can be
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Speaker 4: somewhat accurate. But like, look what AJ's Pereller has done
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Speaker 4: with the podres, look at the success, look at the
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Speaker 4: roster turnover, and how there's a good team. There's a
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Speaker 4: certain way. And Mike Schild came into this job with
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Speaker 4: eyes wide open about that. He was a consultant and
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Speaker 4: an a part time coach. Basically, he was a de
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Speaker 4: facto member of the coaching staff for two years under
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Speaker 4: Bob Melvin. There there were no real surprises about this job.
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Speaker 5: So I really do.
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Speaker 4: Think, like again, it struck me from the start, and
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Speaker 4: I spent fifteen years covering the NFL in between my
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Speaker 4: baseball beat writing gigs. And he's like an NFL coach
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Speaker 4: who has to live one game a year or a week.
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Speaker 4: Mike lives and just give gives everything every single game,
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Speaker 4: and he's so invested in the players. And as you know,
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Speaker 4: Mike is single, Mike doesn't have children, Mike lives baseball,
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Speaker 4: and I am convinced I think he's a good man
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Speaker 4: at heart, and I'm convinced that he wants to kind
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Speaker 4: of get.
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Speaker 5: Work on his well being.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was going to kind of lead into my question.
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Speaker 2: He talks about his physical emotion just to confirm he
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Speaker 2: doesn't have any sort of illness that is forcing him out.
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Speaker 2: This is kind of a preemptive so he doesn't kind
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Speaker 2: of go into you know, cardiac arrests or any sort
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Speaker 2: of health issue.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, he volunteered that to me, like when he talked
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Speaker 4: about his health, and we did have a conversation in
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Speaker 4: addition to the letter that he sent, and he made
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Speaker 4: sure that I understood that there was no pressing, serious
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Speaker 4: health issue. But I think all of us who put
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Speaker 4: a lot into whatever the grind of your life is
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Speaker 4: can understand that that does have a can have an
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Speaker 4: effect on your stress and all that can have an
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Speaker 4: effect on your.
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Speaker 5: Health, lack of sleep.
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Speaker 4: And I think that Mike's you know, season and a
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Speaker 4: manager's job is twelve months a year. It's not like
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Speaker 4: a coach or somebody else. It's twelve months a year.
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Speaker 4: But during that those those eight months, it was sleep work,
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Speaker 4: sleep work, sleep work, Monday through Sunday, basically. And I
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Speaker 4: think that Mike was ready to take at least. Look,
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Speaker 4: we all know what retire means a lot of times.
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Speaker 4: Mike's fifty six years old, hopefully a long life ahead
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Speaker 4: of him.
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Speaker 6: He was.
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Speaker 4: I do believe whatever else came into play, Mike Shult
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Speaker 4: was ready to take a step off the very fast
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Speaker 4: moving treadmill.
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Speaker 3: Do you get any player reactions early this quick from
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Speaker 3: the current team?
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Speaker 4: Yeah, Look, I've had some text with players. I don't
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Speaker 4: have anything to report on how they how they feel.
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Speaker 4: I've not spoken or interviewed any players.
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Speaker 2: All right, what's next? Where do they go? And a
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Speaker 2: lot of managerial jobs open right now? Where do you
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Speaker 2: kind of rank that Padres job in terms of you know, appeal?
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Speaker 4: I'm sure you guys have talked about it, and it's
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Speaker 4: sort of fascinating, right, It's not just a bunch of
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Speaker 4: crap jobs out there. You got the Orioles, the Braves,
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Speaker 4: the Padres. I don't know that.
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Speaker 5: Look, I know the Padre is better than anyone. I
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Speaker 5: think it's a good job.
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Speaker 4: I think there's a good core coming back, and I
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Speaker 4: think it's a really good job. But maybe some people
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Speaker 4: have the braves at the top, maybe people have the Orioles.
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Speaker 4: I think it's a really good job. Internally, you have
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Speaker 4: a few candidates. It's a fairly inexperienced staff. But Ruby Theebler,
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Speaker 4: the pitching coach, Hass you know, he's talked before about
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Speaker 4: wanting to manage obviously has done a really good job
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Speaker 4: as the pitching coach. AJ Ellis is a was a
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Speaker 4: confidant of Schiltz and is a confidant of AJ Prowlers,
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Speaker 4: and you know, I think people consider him the future manager. Hey,
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Speaker 4: I'm gonna I'm gonna put it out there that Albert
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Speaker 4: Pool Hools makes all the sense in the world as well.
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Speaker 3: Is that the is that the ilk that you would
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Speaker 3: think AJ Preller would go with in a sense of
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Speaker 3: when you say Albert Pool host no experience, really uncertain,
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Speaker 3: but probably isn't willing to be told what to do
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Speaker 3: if if we're going with that narrative that I know
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Speaker 3: you try to stay away from with AJ, but knowing
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Speaker 3: Athy a little bit, that's kind of his narrative. Do
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Speaker 3: you see it being a veteran or do you see
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Speaker 3: it being like you said, the guys that have little experience.
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Speaker 4: Here's one thing I know covering AJ Preller is I
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Speaker 4: never predict or say where AJ Preller is gonna go. Right,
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Speaker 4: Like he hired Jace Kindler, who I believe could be
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Speaker 4: a really good manager, but was not going to be
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Speaker 4: in twenty twenty having the experience level that he had
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Speaker 4: at that time.
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Speaker 5: Then he hired Bob Melvin, who everyone.
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Speaker 4: Was like, oh man, Bob Melvin is the best, and
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Speaker 4: he's got all this experience, and you got my he
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Speaker 4: hires Mike Schilt, someone like Albert.
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Speaker 5: Poohols would do his research.
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Speaker 4: And one thing I want to make clear that a
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Speaker 4: lot of the narrative about AJ Preller is false and
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Speaker 4: and in that AJ is not controlling.
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Speaker 5: AJ is relentless in his work.
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Speaker 4: He is and he's even involved there also, But he
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Speaker 4: is the manager here makes out his lineup.
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Speaker 5: AJ Preller might be like, hey, what do you think?
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Speaker 4: And then the next day he might be like, well, hey,
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Speaker 4: let's talk about that again. But he is not telling
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Speaker 4: the manager where to put someone or who to play.
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Speaker 4: The manager has probably from my understanding, I only cover
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Speaker 4: one team. I talk to a lot of people, people
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Speaker 4: that were here, people that come here from other places.
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Speaker 4: The manager of the padres has more autonomy than most.
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Speaker 1: Okay, that's interesting question for you going back the narratives. Yeah, exactly,
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Speaker 1: I get it. And obviously everything's different from what it
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Speaker 1: was even ten years ago. Right when we say, oh,
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Speaker 1: manager has more autonomy, like the manager of the most
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Speaker 1: autonomy now compared to ten years ago is a major
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Speaker 1: major difference. Front offices have much more of an impact.
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Speaker 1: So keep that in mind for the audience for the
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Speaker 1: entire sport. Question for you on Chilt when he says retirement,
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Speaker 1: does that mean he's done from baseball? Like, to me,
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Speaker 1: retirement means I'm done versus stepping down. So do you
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Speaker 1: get the I don't know. Do you get the inkling
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Speaker 1: that he'll come back to baseball at some point? I
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Speaker 1: mean Tyr Francona retired for what five minutes and then
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Speaker 1: he came back.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's why I say, right, we all know what
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Speaker 4: retire often means. And I don't want to speak for Mike,
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Speaker 4: and I think Mike has made it very clear that
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Speaker 4: for now he needs to get away from the grind.
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Speaker 5: Do I believe that a man who.
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Speaker 4: Loves and here's the only and I should say the only.
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Speaker 4: Here was the shocking part of this. Mike schild loves baseball,
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Speaker 4: he loves players, he loves building relationships, and he's a
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Speaker 4: really good he knows the game. So that made it shocking, like, Wow,
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Speaker 4: Mike is walking away. So do I think that we're
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Speaker 4: not ever going to hear from Mike Shilt in some
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Speaker 4: capacity in Major League Baseball again? No. I believe Mike
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Speaker 4: Schildt will be back working somewhere in some capacity again.
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Speaker 5: But for now I take him at face.
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Speaker 4: Value that he's retiring and that he needs to take
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Speaker 4: care of himself. I mean, I'm aware of some of
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Speaker 4: the plans that he has coming up in terms of
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Speaker 4: his personal life that you know, hasn't been a whole
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Speaker 4: lot of personal life for Mike Shilts as the manager,
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Speaker 4: by the way.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the last one for me. I think
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Speaker 1: that actually makes this the most shocking. It's not somebody
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Speaker 1: stepping down, it's somebody that's been a lifer in the
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Speaker 1: sport who really worked in a way that Brian Snicker did. Right,
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Speaker 1: those two got comparisons because they had to really work
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Speaker 1: to get to their spot. Then they had success. Then
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Speaker 1: he moved from Saint Louis to San Diego after the
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Speaker 1: disagreements there. So you're just like, this guy has made
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Speaker 1: it to where he always wanted to be, and you
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Speaker 1: would have expected him to be there until they're yanking
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Speaker 1: the jersey off. So that's why for me it's surprising.
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Speaker 1: But you do have to keep in mind he's a
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Speaker 1: human being and he wants to do his own thing
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Speaker 1: for a little bit. So we really appreciate the time.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for hopping on and for breaking the story and
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Speaker 1: jumping in with us right afterwards. Appreciate it, all right,
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Speaker 1: I'll take care all right, some other manager news here
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Speaker 1: in the break, and then we'll pop in and talk
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Speaker 1: about the Tigers falling in that marathon. Cody Stavenhagen's going
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Speaker 1: to join us in a couple of minutes. Multiple reports
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Speaker 1: just now say that Rob Thompson is back as manager
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Speaker 1: with the Phillies. Not a big surprise there, Krats. I'll
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Speaker 1: give you both so you can react since we only
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Speaker 1: have a minute and a half here. Also, the Angels
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Speaker 1: are talking to a couple others now beyond just Albert
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Speaker 1: Poohols regarding that manager opening no reason yet to believe
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Speaker 1: he isn't the front runner this all. According to John Hayman,
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Speaker 1: Tory Hunter is believed to be on that list and
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Speaker 1: others like Wound. Sam Blum from The Athletic also mentioned
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Speaker 1: Tory in the running.
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Speaker 3: I hope they're doing their due diligence. I hope they're
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Speaker 3: not just going a small little ring and Arty is like, hey,
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Speaker 3: I want this. I want that because it's time to
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Speaker 3: see why other people in the league don't think the
15:19
Speaker 3: Angels are very good and not just wow, you know,
15:22
Speaker 3: we're unlucky. If Anthony Rendon was an MVP, we would
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Speaker 3: be in the World Series right now. So I hope
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Speaker 3: they're doing their due diligence. And the Phillies thing, no brainer,
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Speaker 3: no brainer. I'm glad everybody stopped, can stop talking about it.
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Speaker 3: He's coming back topper. Good for you.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well we know that Arti Marino likes names KP.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he goes after big names all the time
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Speaker 1: in free agencies. So my bet is on a name
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Speaker 1: that we all know. Well, if it's not Albert, it
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Speaker 1: could be Tory. I think it's going to be someone
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Speaker 1: like that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you nailed it. I mean, you know, talking to
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Speaker 2: GM there They've missed on a ton of free agents
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Speaker 2: and they've all been big names, so hopefully a big
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Speaker 2: name doesn't kind of equate to a miss on the manager.
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Speaker 2: But they need to kind of change the narrative there.
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Speaker 1: Yep, Hey, we're here for two minutes to scrutinize the
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Speaker 1: umpires in the postseason, the good, the bad, the ugly.
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Speaker 1: We will start with the ugly, and some of this
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Speaker 1: will get fixed next year, but not all of it.
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Speaker 1: I'm not going to fix all the misses. So You've
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Speaker 1: got a couple tweets we'll roll out. First off, overall
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Speaker 1: the way that umpires have performed thus far, we have
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Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy six calls missed during the divisional
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Speaker 1: series that included eighteen incorrectly called balls and two strike counts.
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Speaker 1: Instead of striking out, twelve of those batters ended up
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Speaker 1: reaching base. And then we want to give love to
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Speaker 1: Alan Porter, right, guys, he had a standout performance and
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Speaker 1: is he one of the best. There's the umpire scorecard
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Speaker 1: for him in that game. Five alds and skrats. You
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Speaker 1: can take this over since you know how hard it
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Speaker 1: would be to catch a fifteen inning marathon game. But
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Speaker 1: then Alan porter. Calling balls and strikes for that long
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Speaker 1: sounds pretty difficult.
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Speaker 5: And it's all different arms.
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Speaker 3: It's not like he saw like four pitchers on each
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Speaker 3: side each team throughout seven guys, so the ball's moving
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Speaker 3: in different directions. Big Al from the local PA district
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Speaker 3: right here, he's about thirty minutes down the road. So awesome.
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Speaker 3: I'm kind of hoping I see him in the World
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Speaker 3: Series because Al came up through the minor leagues with us,
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Speaker 3: and for him to he's always been he's always been
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Speaker 3: locked in. He's always been a little bit of a
17:36
Speaker 3: smaller zone, so you get less wrong when you have
17:40
Speaker 3: a smaller zone.
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Speaker 5: But that was a good game, KP.
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18:50
Speaker 1: what do you think about the Blue Jays and the
18:52
Speaker 1: Mariners the rest of the way here?
18:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I was texting both of the voices
18:57
Speaker 2: the Toronto Blue Jays last night before the game, and
18:59
Speaker 2: I was telling them that was the one game I
19:01
Speaker 2: was really worried about. Obviously, there's four teams left. Every
19:05
Speaker 2: team is really good. But when you factoring they played
19:07
Speaker 2: a fifteen inning game, they probably partied their butts off.
19:11
Speaker 2: They got on that plane, they flew all the way
19:12
Speaker 2: across the country. They get to Toronto, they have to
19:15
Speaker 2: be at the field that day for media Day. They
19:18
Speaker 2: were just on this whirlwind of emotion and adrenaline. You
19:20
Speaker 2: can't really even explain it unless you've lived it. They
19:23
Speaker 2: don't even know where they're at right now. They're just
19:25
Speaker 2: like on this adrenaline high right now. And I felt
19:28
Speaker 2: like the Blue Jays were in prime position. They had
19:31
Speaker 2: their ace on the mound, they had rest, they were
19:33
Speaker 2: at home. It just felt like it was one of
19:35
Speaker 2: those games that was too good to be true. And
19:37
Speaker 2: that's the beauty of baseball, because the Blue Jays were
19:40
Speaker 2: probably heavily favored, they had their ace on the mound,
19:42
Speaker 2: they're at home. They played unbelievable at home. It was
19:45
Speaker 2: a big talk during the Yankees series that maybe the
19:48
Speaker 2: Blue Jays are cheating at home because their numbers at
19:51
Speaker 2: home were so good. But kudos to the Mariners for
19:54
Speaker 2: just kind of riding that emotional roller coaster, that adrenaline
19:57
Speaker 2: wave and going in there and taking Game one.
20:00
Speaker 3: This is why the game of baseball is so fun,
20:03
Speaker 3: in the sense that everything was stacked up against the Mariners.
20:07
Speaker 3: In what KP was saying, and I completely agree with him,
20:11
Speaker 3: there will be some type of like hull, like a
20:14
Speaker 3: drop off, and the Mariners to beat the J's again
20:19
Speaker 3: at home, if since they didn't beat him last night,
20:23
Speaker 3: to beat him again, Like the Blue Jays are just
20:26
Speaker 3: they're gonna just turn it up just a notch. The
20:29
Speaker 3: Mariners are gonna have to turn it up a notch too,
20:31
Speaker 3: And do they have that extra gear or is today
20:34
Speaker 3: the day that they go? Oh man, I'm exhausted because
20:38
Speaker 3: the pitcher they got on the mound threw thirty five
20:42
Speaker 3: pitches on his bullpen day in a winner take all
20:45
Speaker 3: elimination game, so you might not be able to go
20:48
Speaker 3: quite to the well like he did in his last
20:51
Speaker 3: playoff game where he threw almost one hundred pitches like
20:55
Speaker 3: Ovian Gilbert's gonna give you what he has, and it's
20:57
Speaker 3: a lot. But this Blue Jays lineup is relentless, and
21:01
Speaker 3: you saw it last night. They didn't strike they didn't
21:04
Speaker 3: strike out a ton, but they put a lot of
21:06
Speaker 3: balls in play early and it didn't you know, it
21:09
Speaker 3: didn't make didn't make Bryce Miller work that hard. So
21:13
Speaker 3: to me, I think the Blue Jays are in a
21:16
Speaker 3: fine position. The Mariners did what they wanted to do
21:19
Speaker 3: and maybe if they don't like let up, then maybe
21:24
Speaker 3: they can get a second one. But the Jays to me,
21:26
Speaker 3: if they just don't let Cal Rowley beat them, I
21:28
Speaker 3: think they take this game.
21:30
Speaker 1: Okay, KP A couple questions. First off, I'm a little
21:35
Speaker 1: bit against krats on the contact and the quicker at
21:40
Speaker 1: bats hurting them because I feel like it's part of
21:43
Speaker 1: their game, or at least for half the lineup, it's
21:46
Speaker 1: part of their game. Attacking early in counts. They made contact.
21:48
Speaker 1: It's not like they were a mess, and there was
21:50
Speaker 1: some decent contact sometimes. Also, you square the ball up
21:54
Speaker 1: goes into a glove. One stat that stood out to me,
21:56
Speaker 1: Alex Fast, who's a stat cast guy, said Toronto recorded
22:00
Speaker 1: a babbitt last night in game one of four to two.
22:03
Speaker 1: That is the lowest batting average on balls and play.
22:06
Speaker 1: That's what it stands for in a postseason game this year.
22:09
Speaker 1: It's tied for the fifth lowest for any game this year,
22:12
Speaker 1: regular and postseason. It's one of the fifty lowest babbits
22:15
Speaker 1: for a single game, regular or postseason in the last
22:18
Speaker 1: five seasons. They got a little bit unlucky. They make
22:22
Speaker 1: good contact.
22:23
Speaker 2: I think they keep doing it. The Yeah, I think
22:26
Speaker 2: I saw the stat cast thing. I think the first
22:28
Speaker 2: four hitters in the game were like the hardest four
22:31
Speaker 2: exit vilows of the game. Obviously, Springer hit the first
22:33
Speaker 2: pitch out, but that's the way they've been playing all year.
22:36
Speaker 2: I don't expect them to change. And having the ability
22:40
Speaker 2: over the last series to be a Blue Jays media
22:42
Speaker 2: member being down on the field, being able to talk
22:44
Speaker 2: to the hitting of coaches about their approach. That's their
22:48
Speaker 2: big approach is they want guys to be aggressive if
22:50
Speaker 2: they're getting their pitch in their zone, and last night
22:52
Speaker 2: was no different. Sometimes you just got to tip your
22:55
Speaker 2: hat to a pitcher. The guy on the mound is elite,
22:58
Speaker 2: but they play the law of averages. The more times
23:02
Speaker 2: you put a ball in play, the greater chances you
23:04
Speaker 2: have to get a hit. And that's not just individually,
23:06
Speaker 2: that's collectively as a team. As long as they're not
23:08
Speaker 2: striking out and they're continuing to move the ball forward,
23:11
Speaker 2: they're going to be in great shape.
23:15
Speaker 1: The other question I have for you is management of
23:19
Speaker 1: when to remove a starting pitcher. I felt okay, but
23:23
Speaker 1: then I looked online and it was a cesspool of
23:26
Speaker 1: why did you remove Kevin Gossman that soon? Did you
23:29
Speaker 1: feel that way and do you think that will impact
23:32
Speaker 1: this series here. I mean that because the Blue Jays
23:36
Speaker 1: bullpen is solid, I wouldn't say incredible, and Kevin Gossman
23:42
Speaker 1: is their top starter. Tray Savage obviously should look good.
23:45
Speaker 1: He looked amazing in his first start for them in
23:48
Speaker 1: the Alds. Do you think there's any concerns that the
23:51
Speaker 1: Blue Jays removed their starters too early as they have
23:54
Speaker 1: PTSD from the Jose Barrios situation.
23:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I think that's what it all kind of
23:59
Speaker 2: stems from. I'm a little hyper sensitive in answering this
24:02
Speaker 2: question because I was just there a week ago and
24:06
Speaker 2: I had a lot of these conversations with John Snyder,
24:09
Speaker 2: and he was very open in his media conferences with
24:11
Speaker 2: the media members about his evolution of being a manager,
24:15
Speaker 2: and he admits that, you know, he was a little
24:18
Speaker 2: bit more of a yes man and he got a
24:19
Speaker 2: little bit more comfortable in his skin where he feels
24:22
Speaker 2: like he is going to make the right decision for
24:24
Speaker 2: his ball club, whether it goes against the grain of
24:26
Speaker 2: what the front office or analytics believe. So I have
24:29
Speaker 2: to trust that maybe there was something about Gosman, maybe
24:34
Speaker 2: the way his stuff was looking, or him being a
24:36
Speaker 2: little bit fatigued. You have to remember we're you know,
24:39
Speaker 2: we're deep into the season. He's throwing a lot of innings.
24:41
Speaker 2: He maybe he's a little bit more hyper sensitive about,
24:44
Speaker 2: you know, him getting his pitch count up, him gonna
24:46
Speaker 2: need Cosmon to pitch again later in probably Game five.
24:49
Speaker 2: There was a lot of decisions that you know, when
24:52
Speaker 2: I'm sitting up in the press box, the game moves
24:54
Speaker 2: really slow, and I remember how fast it was as
24:57
Speaker 2: a player, and it's hard for me to ever kind
25:00
Speaker 2: of even think about how fast it moves as a manager.
25:03
Speaker 2: But I gotta believe John Snyder because there was moves
25:05
Speaker 2: he made in that Yankee series that went really far
25:07
Speaker 2: against the grain and you could see his evolution of
25:10
Speaker 2: a manager and being like, I'm going to live and
25:12
Speaker 2: die with this decision, whether people are going to agree
25:15
Speaker 2: with it or not. So it's easy for me to
25:17
Speaker 2: sit up in my booth and say, yeah, they should
25:19
Speaker 2: have left him in there. That's your ace. But I
25:21
Speaker 2: think he had some internal information that was probably telling
25:24
Speaker 2: him it was time to get him out of the game.
25:27
Speaker 3: And maybe it's at that pitch count. I mean, I'm
25:29
Speaker 3: looking back at his last three starts, one against the
25:32
Speaker 3: Yankees seventy five pitches last night, seventy six and when
25:37
Speaker 3: he came out of the game, like, yes, I get it.
25:41
Speaker 3: Had he not walked Julio, does he give him the
25:44
Speaker 3: start of the sixth inning? In my opinion, yes, But
25:48
Speaker 3: as a manager, you have to make those decisions. Some
25:51
Speaker 3: of those decisions are thought about before the game, but
25:54
Speaker 3: then you're visualizing. You're seeing what it looks like. Maybe
25:58
Speaker 3: at seventy pitches, Hey, you know what, let's start using
26:01
Speaker 3: our eye and see what that ball is looking like?
26:04
Speaker 3: Is he missing armside? The ball four to Julio Rondriguez
26:08
Speaker 3: was a fastball left in? Does that mean it looks
26:11
Speaker 3: like you know, his arm slots going down. Pete Walker
26:14
Speaker 3: has been there for a long time. I know, I
26:16
Speaker 3: know Schnein's and Pete are in lockstep and they feed
26:20
Speaker 3: off of each other. So you're constantly getting information that
26:25
Speaker 3: we don't necessarily have.
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27:31
Speaker 1: okay with it. At seventy six pitches, top of the
27:34
Speaker 1: sixth inning to a one one game, he had just.
27:38
Speaker 2: Crats his point to crats his point. I think he
27:40
Speaker 2: even talked about that too, Like not every team has
27:44
Speaker 2: a script, but they have an idea of how they
27:46
Speaker 2: want to manage these games. And I think they get
27:48
Speaker 2: to that certain pitch point, like he said, maybe it's
27:50
Speaker 2: that seventy pitch mark, and then the eyeball test starts
27:53
Speaker 2: to take over. And I think they did a good
27:55
Speaker 2: job of that. And you know, as for as much
27:57
Speaker 2: as he got criticized a couple of years ago with
27:59
Speaker 2: the Bear Cacuchi situation, like I said, there was moments
28:03
Speaker 2: in that Yankee series where I'm like, Okay, maybe they
28:05
Speaker 2: should go get him. They should go oh my god,
28:06
Speaker 2: they're leaving him at Okay, at work. And then you
28:08
Speaker 2: think about what they did in Game four. He had
28:11
Speaker 2: to thread this needle that was so incredibly difficult to do.
28:14
Speaker 2: Like you said, they don't have the most lockdown bullpen,
28:16
Speaker 2: but the way they were able to kind of navigate
28:19
Speaker 2: nine entire innings with just bullpen arms and really maximize
28:23
Speaker 2: everyone's strengths, it's hard. It's hard to go against what
28:26
Speaker 2: he was doing. You know, I think, like you said,
28:29
Speaker 2: they're in lockstep. I don't think it's just a John
28:31
Speaker 2: Snyder decision. I think Pete Walker has the respect of
28:35
Speaker 2: that organization, the respect of his starting pitchers in all
28:38
Speaker 2: of his pictures, and he has the respect of his managers.
28:41
Speaker 2: So I think that was a collective decision.
28:44
Speaker 1: By the way, I thought it was funny. Bryce Miller
28:46
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be removed from the game
28:47
Speaker 1: in the bottom of the sixth after a fourth pitch
28:49
Speaker 1: to outwalk to Addison Barger, and they were money. Fox
28:53
Speaker 1: was on it. He was like, no, no, no, no,
28:56
Speaker 1: it's Pete Wildworth. Okay, I can talk him into staying
28:58
Speaker 1: in the game. It was great, and then he got
29:00
Speaker 1: one more fly ball out and then they moved on.
29:02
Speaker 1: So I know you appreciate that. Crats we don't. We
29:04
Speaker 1: don't catch that often. Like it was very it was
29:07
Speaker 1: very genuine and wholesome, where it's just like no, no, no,
29:10
Speaker 1: I'm still feeling good.
29:13
Speaker 3: But what did he just do? He just walked a
29:15
Speaker 3: guy on four pitches, Like he's sitting there going I
29:19
Speaker 3: forget who he walked, but he's sitting there.
29:20
Speaker 2: Like no, no, no, no, no, Barger.
29:22
Speaker 3: I'm good. I'm good. Like Barger's Barger's looking to swing.
29:26
Speaker 3: If you walk anybody on this team and four pitches
29:28
Speaker 3: is probably Vladdie. But everybody else they got a bat,
29:34
Speaker 3: have have bat, will swing is there is their motto,
29:37
Speaker 3: and you know, so he knows, he knows. Also he
29:41
Speaker 3: can't let Barger beat him. So there's times when the
29:44
Speaker 3: pitcher and the catcher, But in this case, the pitcher's like,
29:48
Speaker 3: it's okay if this guy doesn't get a pitch to hit,
29:53
Speaker 3: because I know I can get the next guy who's
29:54
Speaker 3: a righty up. You know. So it's it's one of
29:56
Speaker 3: those things that on the field, you always think you're
30:01
Speaker 3: going to get the next out. In the dugout, you
30:04
Speaker 3: got to know these guys and you're you're one hundred
30:07
Speaker 3: and seventy games into the season now, so you better
30:11
Speaker 3: understand exactly what everybody's putting out on each given night.
30:15
Speaker 1: KP, Well, I have two for you. I'll see if
30:18
Speaker 1: I can get at least one, maybe the second one
30:20
Speaker 1: in there roof open, roof closed? How much do things
30:23
Speaker 1: change there roof is closed for game one? I'm sure
30:26
Speaker 1: it's louder when the roof is closed, But how does
30:30
Speaker 1: the game change with the roof open, specifically in Toronto.
30:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, typically, obviously a little bit louder with the roof closed.
30:37
Speaker 2: The ball tends to fly a little bit more with
30:40
Speaker 2: the roof open, but I do expect a little bit
30:43
Speaker 2: more of a home field advantage, not from the noise standspoint,
30:46
Speaker 2: but the time of the game. With the roof being open,
30:48
Speaker 2: there is some shadows that will affect both the hitters
30:52
Speaker 2: and also the outfielders. That's something to kind of take
30:56
Speaker 2: a look at today.
30:58
Speaker 1: Okay, And last one, how much did you use that
31:01
Speaker 1: Traject machine and how much does it factory in for
31:04
Speaker 1: someone like Trey Savage when most of the league hasn't
31:07
Speaker 1: seen him and the Yankees didn't have that.
31:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Traject is going to love me for this.
31:11
Speaker 2: It's not gonna help with Tray Savage because his release
31:15
Speaker 2: point is so unique. Traject is going to have to
31:17
Speaker 2: make a bigger version of the Traject and it's already
31:20
Speaker 2: pretty large, but they're gonna have to make a bigger
31:22
Speaker 2: version for a release point that high. Because I had
31:25
Speaker 2: talked about this in the pregame show, I used Traject
31:28
Speaker 2: for like a whole week leading up to facing Garrett
31:30
Speaker 2: Crochet on Opening Day. I knew I was playing. I
31:32
Speaker 2: knew I was facing him, and his release point was
31:35
Speaker 2: so unique that you couldn't get the whole body and
31:38
Speaker 2: their release point on there. I could still see the stuff,
31:41
Speaker 2: but there's something to be said about a guy that's
31:45
Speaker 2: that unique. I need to get in the box and
31:47
Speaker 2: see him. And I think Seattle is going to be
31:49
Speaker 2: in a little bit of trouble, much like the Yankees
31:52
Speaker 2: or facing a guy that they've never seen. You can
31:54
Speaker 2: do all your homework, you can watch a guy, you
31:57
Speaker 2: can look at his X and Y spreadsheet, you can
31:59
Speaker 2: look at all the analytics. You can pick up the
32:02
Speaker 2: phone and call judge and be like what it looked like,
32:03
Speaker 2: But until you're standing in that box, you ain't seen
32:06
Speaker 2: anything like this. Traject would help a little bit in
32:09
Speaker 2: terms of the movement of the pitches, but finding the
32:11
Speaker 2: release point and stuff is going to be very challenging
32:13
Speaker 2: for these guys.
32:15
Speaker 1: That is the analysis right there.
32:19
Speaker 3: Traject is going to really struggle because his slider actually
32:23
Speaker 3: goes backwards. So trajects like put in the computer what
32:28
Speaker 3: like it's supposed to go slider's supposed to go that way,
32:31
Speaker 3: and his actually goes like this, like it's almost it's
32:35
Speaker 3: not even straight down, it's the other way. So traject's
32:38
Speaker 3: are going to be like, cannot compute more data.
32:43
Speaker 1: Fake slider, fake slider.
32:44
Speaker 3: Alert left hand left handed slider.
32:48
Speaker 1: Yep, but we'll see. Well, I'm excited about it.
32:50
Speaker 2: Okay.
32:50
Speaker 1: I could do two hours on this, but we have
32:53
Speaker 1: two minutes. You guys were talking about how the Angels
32:56
Speaker 1: need to catch up to the rest of the league
32:57
Speaker 1: for the past couple decades. How about air conditioning in
33:01
Speaker 1: the weight room? KP. You were there more recently than Kratz.
33:05
Speaker 1: Is this true? You say? Kokuchi told Japanese reporters after
33:08
Speaker 1: his last start he exited due to cramping because the
33:10
Speaker 1: weight room has no AC. He always has his warm
33:12
Speaker 1: up drenched in sweat. He wanted them to fix it.
33:15
Speaker 1: Team Never did.
33:18
Speaker 2: I believe it. I was there. I mean the AC
33:21
Speaker 2: was working there, but the inner workings of like the clubhouse,
33:24
Speaker 2: the weight room, the hot hot tub always had problems too.
33:27
Speaker 2: They definitely need to already definitely needs to spend some
33:32
Speaker 2: money and fix that internal workings at the clubhouse, the
33:35
Speaker 2: weight room, the locker room. I mean, it's a big
33:37
Speaker 2: selling point to get players, and the Angels is very,
33:40
Speaker 2: very far behind from a lot of places I've been.
33:44
Speaker 1: This is a problem for literal decades in our game,
33:49
Speaker 1: and some fans online like tell him to fix it. No, no, no, no,
33:52
Speaker 1: it's a multi billion dollar corporation, they fix it. And
33:54
Speaker 1: also it's air conditioning. He's not asking for a new ballpark. Grats.
33:58
Speaker 1: We see these stories off with them, and that's why
34:01
Speaker 1: people are like, what's wrong, I don't get it or whatever.
34:03
Speaker 1: It's just a seat. No, everybody else gets something, and
34:06
Speaker 1: then the Angels act like a third world country with
34:09
Speaker 1: amenities that should be a given. In twenty twenty five.
34:13
Speaker 5: There is so much.
34:15
Speaker 3: I was just talking to my kids about the fact
34:16
Speaker 3: that when I first made it to the big leagues
34:19
Speaker 3: and I played against the Red Sox, we had to
34:20
Speaker 3: walk across the street to work out. We had to
34:23
Speaker 3: walk across Waveland to work out. Like, organizations have been behind,
34:29
Speaker 3: but you can't continue to be behind if you want
34:32
Speaker 3: to be a Marquee World Series winning organization. And he
34:35
Speaker 3: spends on his payroll, maybe not correctly spend on at all.
34:42
Speaker 1: KP right to you about Trey Savage opening up his
34:46
Speaker 1: press conference with a statement, he said, it's sad to
34:49
Speaker 1: see that people close to me are being attacked for
34:51
Speaker 1: my performances on the fields. He just wanted to stand
34:55
Speaker 1: out for the online trolls. We're at an all time high.
34:58
Speaker 1: I mean, it gets worse by the KP. So I
35:01
Speaker 1: don't really know what you can do besides telling everybody
35:04
Speaker 1: to just get off social media. And it sucks that
35:08
Speaker 1: you have to do that, but I don't think it's
35:09
Speaker 1: going to stop anytime soon. People are ridiculous.
35:13
Speaker 2: No, it's not going to stop. Good for him, for
35:16
Speaker 2: you know, understanding, he has a platform, you know, biggest stage,
35:20
Speaker 2: microphone in front of him to kind of just go
35:22
Speaker 2: out and address it. Is it going to change anything?
35:24
Speaker 2: Sadly no, but the worst is still yet to come.
35:29
Speaker 2: And I hate to say that because he's talking about
35:32
Speaker 2: the negative effect that his family's received and he threw
35:35
Speaker 2: well just imagine if he doesn't pitch well, you know
35:38
Speaker 2: the type of kind of you know, things that are
35:40
Speaker 2: going to happen to him and his family. But it's
35:42
Speaker 2: a really sad reality we live in where everyone has
35:46
Speaker 2: so much access to not only you as the player,
35:48
Speaker 2: but our information is public. Everyone knows you know, my
35:51
Speaker 2: wife's name, my kid's name, my family members. They're all
35:54
Speaker 2: easy to find on social media too. So this is
35:57
Speaker 2: kind of a learning moment, not only for him but
35:59
Speaker 2: his entire family as he's entering this arena of you know,
36:03
Speaker 2: being an elite pitcher and pitching in the major leagues.
36:06
Speaker 2: This is the negative. This is the negative effect of
36:09
Speaker 2: being a major league baseball player. Ninety nine percent of
36:11
Speaker 2: it's great. This is the one percent that you just
36:13
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36:15
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36:17
Speaker 1: Have you guys been seeing Pat Murphy really throughout the
36:20
Speaker 1: entire postseason put on a show with his quotes, like
36:22
Speaker 1: he's quoting Shakespeare also KP. He does this thing where
36:27
Speaker 1: he has anyone new to the media conference, the press
36:31
Speaker 1: conference introduced themselves. So like a day or two ago,
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Speaker 1: he had the Japanese media do it for the first
36:36
Speaker 1: time and there since there's so many of them for
36:39
Speaker 1: more for the Dodger side, so we had twenty five
36:41
Speaker 1: Japanese reporters stand up and introduce themselves. So people say,
36:45
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36:48
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Speaker 2: I love it. I mean, he waited a lifetime to
36:54
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36:58
Speaker 2: he makes it fun. I got out of him pulling
37:01
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37:05
Speaker 2: against the Dodgers, and he was just kind of reading
37:07
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37:10
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37:12
Speaker 2: he's himself, he's real, he's fun. You know. Sometimes you
37:17
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37:22
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37:25
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37:27
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Speaker 1: hit our NLCS preview. It's the Brewers matching up with
38:51
Speaker 1: the Dodgers. There is a massive payroll disparity. You can
38:54
Speaker 1: do all kinds of stats to show the differences between
38:57
Speaker 1: these two teams. Blake Snell alone is making more than
39:01
Speaker 1: the rest of their rotation. So Kratz, I'll start with this.
39:05
Speaker 1: Blake Snell, when asked about the Brewers, said quote, I'm
39:08
Speaker 1: not falling for the average Joe's They're not They got
39:12
Speaker 1: the best record in baseball. They're a really good team.
39:17
Speaker 1: Do you like this answer. It's almost like reversing the
39:20
Speaker 1: psychology back, like we hear your underdog story and we
39:24
Speaker 1: don't buy it. We are treating you like a real threat.
39:28
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's how baseball players think. Nobody goes into
39:31
Speaker 3: a series and is like, oh man, these guys, how
39:35
Speaker 3: could they all have been dfaed in their entire bullpen?
39:39
Speaker 3: Like save it. It's like it's like the whole underdog story,
39:43
Speaker 3: like if you promote it as a team, like yeah,
39:45
Speaker 3: we're just underdog. We just we've never had any breaks.
39:49
Speaker 3: It's like, wait a minute, Like there's a bunch of
39:51
Speaker 3: like first rounders on this team. There's a bunch of
39:54
Speaker 3: dudes that are really good. Freddy Peralt is probably gonna
39:57
Speaker 3: be top three, if not definitely the top five, and
40:01
Speaker 3: the Cy Young voting like they're a good team. They
40:03
Speaker 3: had the most wins. The Dodgers played the exact same
40:07
Speaker 3: teams that they played now, not as many in the Central,
40:10
Speaker 3: but they played the exact same teams and they did
40:12
Speaker 3: not have a better record than the Brewers. So like
40:15
Speaker 3: the underdog story, the average Joe's calls himself the above
40:20
Speaker 3: average Joe's, I think is what Pat Murphy called them.
40:23
Speaker 3: But it's that like you can't as a as a opponent,
40:28
Speaker 3: No you're not, You're not falling for that. The Okie Doke.
40:34
Speaker 1: And the mind stars one oh four KP that doesn't
40:36
Speaker 1: sound like an average joe to me.
40:38
Speaker 2: Apparently gets I want to try to make a try.
40:41
Speaker 2: I want to try to make a very like a
40:43
Speaker 2: sloppy sentence here, because that's what it feels like. The
40:45
Speaker 2: underdog's the favorite, the favorites, the underdog, the the the
40:49
Speaker 2: Joe's versus the pro like who even knows. It's just
40:52
Speaker 2: it's a fun storyline because maybe the betting favorite is
40:56
Speaker 2: maybe the Dodgers, but the other team at the best record,
40:58
Speaker 2: they're calling themselves the average Joe's. The Dodgers are the
41:00
Speaker 2: super team, but you know they're playing on the road.
41:03
Speaker 2: It just makes for great theater, But none of the
41:05
Speaker 2: players are really buying into it, because when the first
41:07
Speaker 2: pitch happens, they're just trying to beat each other up.
41:11
Speaker 1: Here's what stands out to me, Kratz. These two teams
41:14
Speaker 1: are incredibly different in every way. It's not just that
41:20
Speaker 1: the Dodgers spend a ton and the Brewers obviously don't.
41:23
Speaker 1: They're the smallest TV market in the sport. The Brewers
41:27
Speaker 1: make more contact, the Dodgers have more pop. The Dodgers
41:31
Speaker 1: have the traditional starting rotation lined up like this. The
41:35
Speaker 1: Brewers were going bullpen game. In Game two, you'll see
41:38
Speaker 1: bullpen games, I'm sure plenty in this series. They're going
41:41
Speaker 1: to do that all the way until they get knocked out.
41:44
Speaker 1: I mean, I would say the traditional relievers setup for
41:47
Speaker 1: the Brewers is in better shape than the Dodgers. The
41:50
Speaker 1: Dodgers have had to get creative so far in this
41:53
Speaker 1: postseason and probably will have to continue to do so.
41:56
Speaker 1: There are countless differences. These two teams look nothing alike.
42:00
Speaker 3: So why are we even playing the game? Why don't
42:02
Speaker 3: we just have it? Why don't we have a salary
42:05
Speaker 3: cap that will just allow everybody to spend the same
42:08
Speaker 3: amount so that all the teams can look exactly the same. No, No,
42:15
Speaker 3: you build your team differently. I'm sure there are things
42:19
Speaker 3: or players that the Dodgers be Like, we would love
42:23
Speaker 3: to have a young Jackson Curio in our outfield. We
42:26
Speaker 3: would love to not have to spend on this guy
42:28
Speaker 3: because we could have that guy. Like this is the
42:31
Speaker 3: name of the game, Like you both made it to
42:33
Speaker 3: this point. One team that is the underdog, that is
42:37
Speaker 3: the that is the not the betting money, is the
42:43
Speaker 3: team that won more games. So if you're the Brewers,
42:46
Speaker 3: you can't say, wow, we're just neat neat grand happy
42:49
Speaker 3: for being here. And if you're the if you're the Dodgers,
42:52
Speaker 3: you can't say, oh man, we're gonna walk all over
42:55
Speaker 3: these nerves because they have no shot because their TV
42:58
Speaker 3: market is smaller. No, it's about who comes out executes
43:02
Speaker 3: in each situation will move on. Whoever wins four games
43:07
Speaker 3: before the other one does will move on. And it's
43:09
Speaker 3: going to be about execution, pitchers making their pitches, not
43:12
Speaker 3: about the size of their wallets.
43:15
Speaker 1: I mean, did you see the regular season series? And
43:18
Speaker 1: I know it's not the biggest factor in the world,
43:20
Speaker 1: but the Brewers took all six games.
43:24
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I think it's real. I mean, I
43:25
Speaker 2: know the playoffs and the regular season are different, but
43:28
Speaker 2: when you are quote unquote this underdog and you're going
43:32
Speaker 2: up against the big bad wolf, you've got to have
43:34
Speaker 2: this internal belief that you can beat the team, and
43:37
Speaker 2: the fact that you swept them tells you that regardless
43:40
Speaker 2: of what anyone else thinks about us outside of this room,
43:44
Speaker 2: we know and we've proved that we could beat them,
43:46
Speaker 2: and we actually haven't even lost to them this year,
43:48
Speaker 2: So they do believe that they are the better team
43:51
Speaker 2: going in. They can play the media game, the narrative
43:54
Speaker 2: and all this stuff, but inside those clubhouse walls, there's
43:57
Speaker 2: not a single person that does not believe that the
43:59
Speaker 2: Brewers are better than Dodgers, and they proved it in
44:02
Speaker 2: the regular season. But that being said, you throw all
44:05
Speaker 2: that out the window. It's the playoffs. You don't accidentally
44:08
Speaker 2: wake up in the AL or NLCS. Both of these
44:11
Speaker 2: teams deserve to be here. And like Cratty said, you know,
44:15
Speaker 2: if you wanted to build every team the same, put
44:17
Speaker 2: a salary cap in if you thought something would happen,
44:20
Speaker 2: play the game in a simulator. But that's not how
44:22
Speaker 2: baseball works. We're going to find out here at a
44:25
Speaker 2: few short hours. Who's going to be a better team,
44:29
Speaker 2: who's going to win a series?
44:30
Speaker 1: Yep, Okay, let's get to some decision making in this series.
44:34
Speaker 1: I mean with the Brewers, it's a cavalcade of how
44:37
Speaker 1: they're lining up pitching. It's almost too complicated to get
44:40
Speaker 1: into with just a few minutes to go. I think
44:43
Speaker 1: the Dodgers side is simpler. And we did get news,
44:45
Speaker 1: of course that Snell starting Game one, Yamamotos starting Game two.
44:49
Speaker 1: They wouldn't commit to when Otani would pitch in this series,
44:52
Speaker 1: but they did say at some point he's going to
44:54
Speaker 1: pitch in this series. Dave Roberts was asked if offense
44:57
Speaker 1: from Shohay in the last round was a concerned Remember
45:00
Speaker 1: the first time show he is ever pitching in a
45:02
Speaker 1: postseason and it hasn't affected him often in the past
45:06
Speaker 1: in the regular season. But this is a different battle
45:09
Speaker 1: when we're talking about October baseball. They pointed more to
45:13
Speaker 1: the fact that they would have Stellan Yamamoto lined up
45:15
Speaker 1: normally and then later on in the series as well.
45:18
Speaker 1: It sounds like maybe Otani only gets one start in
45:21
Speaker 1: a best of seven kp Do you like the way
45:23
Speaker 1: that this is lining up for the Dodgers.
45:26
Speaker 2: Once again, every roster is created differently, but the luxury
45:29
Speaker 2: the Dodgers have is they have an abundance of starting pitching.
45:32
Speaker 2: This is what makes sense for them. It makes a
45:35
Speaker 2: lot of sense too because show, hey, win producing is
45:39
Speaker 2: their best hitter in their lineup, and if you can
45:41
Speaker 2: kind of take that little extra stress of trying to
45:44
Speaker 2: get you know, eighteen outs or twenty one outside of
45:47
Speaker 2: the game and just let them focus on hitting, and
45:49
Speaker 2: you have two legitimate aces and maybe a third in
45:52
Speaker 2: glass that who can pitch even before him. You know,
45:55
Speaker 2: that's the way their roster's constructed. They have the ability
45:57
Speaker 2: to do it, so go ahead and do it.
46:00
Speaker 3: This was the only picture that the Phillies didn't take
46:03
Speaker 3: the lead against, So why not? Why is he not
46:08
Speaker 3: pitching if it's not about his hitting? Don't you want
46:11
Speaker 3: the best pictures and the best hitters out there. I
46:14
Speaker 3: have a hard time believing Dave Roberts that it wasn't
46:17
Speaker 3: about his hitting, because he's never exerted that much effort
46:22
Speaker 3: in a postseason game. Pictures will tell you you feel
46:25
Speaker 3: different after throwing a postseason game, and this guy's rehabbed
46:29
Speaker 3: to get to this point, and maybe physically he didn't
46:33
Speaker 3: bounce bounce back as much, or maybe the Phillies just
46:36
Speaker 3: didn't let him get any hits. But to me, it's
46:39
Speaker 3: indicative of what they think, who they think their best
46:41
Speaker 3: pictures are, because at this point it's just about who
46:44
Speaker 3: your best pictures are. So they think Blake Snell and
46:47
Speaker 3: Yamamoto will give them the best chance to come back
46:51
Speaker 3: in a seven game series, because that was one of
46:53
Speaker 3: the issues that I thought Yamamoto might need some extra rest,
46:57
Speaker 3: he might need that extra extra rest. So they just
47:00
Speaker 3: think he's their best. He's their best pitcher, and I
47:03
Speaker 3: think you hold show hey out. He starts Game one
47:07
Speaker 3: in the World Series if they make it okay.
47:09
Speaker 2: So you think there's some comfort too of him, you know,
47:12
Speaker 2: having to pitch and hit at home, like it's a
47:14
Speaker 2: better routine for him. Maybe he comes out of the bullpen,
47:16
Speaker 2: he has a chance to go on the mound hit
47:18
Speaker 2: as opposed to maybe throw his bullpen a little bit earlier.
47:21
Speaker 2: He has to lead off the game. There's just a
47:23
Speaker 2: familiarity with him doing at home that also plays a factor.
47:26
Speaker 2: They might not come out and admit it, but it
47:29
Speaker 2: is real.
47:41
Speaker 1: Let's slap and we will point out that Anthony Santander
47:45
Speaker 1: is out of the lineup for Game two for Toronto.
47:48
Speaker 1: He is dealing with back tightness KP. We also learned
47:53
Speaker 1: earlier today that Nathan Lucas should be okay as he
47:57
Speaker 1: dealt with that tough h little foul tip off the knee.
48:01
Speaker 1: Kratz and me last night were like, I hope that's
48:03
Speaker 1: not a Christian yell. It's knee cap situation. It wasn't
48:05
Speaker 1: no fracture there. But thoughts on this change.
48:09
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was trying to look and see who they
48:11
Speaker 2: replaced him with. I was seeing if Nathan Lucas was
48:14
Speaker 2: in there. It looks like he's BA second. The obvious
48:17
Speaker 2: choice would be Miles Straw, but that also kind of
48:20
Speaker 2: limits what they like to do if Nathan Lucas's knee
48:23
Speaker 2: kind of flares up on him. So it's definitely a
48:26
Speaker 2: story to watch. I have my thoughts about the back thing.
48:30
Speaker 2: Hopefully it's something that's not serious, but it is the playoffs.
48:34
Speaker 2: Got to find a way to get out there for
48:35
Speaker 2: your team, especially knowing what Nathan Lucas went through yesterday.
48:41
Speaker 1: Yeah, weird year for Santander. I mean he missed what
48:44
Speaker 1: three months this year?
48:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, around that point. Oh, here's the lineup. No, you
48:51
Speaker 2: haven't seen that.
48:54
Speaker 1: No lineup? Or yes, lineup.
48:55
Speaker 2: Oh David Schneider. David Schneider's in there. So that still
48:59
Speaker 2: gives him the flexibility of having a Milestraw come off
49:02
Speaker 2: the bench. But yeah, David Schneider's in there, hitting eighth.
49:07
Speaker 1: Okay, So there's a change for Toronto. Yep, crats hat.
49:15
Speaker 3: I hope there's other teams that are out of it
49:17
Speaker 3: right now that really get to watch these posts. This postseason.
49:20
Speaker 3: I'm not saying you have to have like a rooting interest,
49:23
Speaker 3: but the A's have a good core of players. The
49:29
Speaker 3: organization needs to push a little bit, like let's let's go.
49:32
Speaker 3: Just be reminded, Just be reminded. I know you're on
49:35
Speaker 3: vacation right now, but you don't want to be on vacation.
49:39
Speaker 2: We got on this one right here.
49:41
Speaker 1: What do you got?
49:41
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49:46
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49:49
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49:52
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49:55
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