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SMNTY Builds a Community · Stuff Mom Never Told You

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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. I'm belcome to Stephane
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Speaker 1: never told your protection of iHeart Radio, and welcome to
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Speaker 1: today's episode, which is again featured by me and my
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Speaker 1: moment in life. Okay, and so therefore I'm going to
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Speaker 1: reflect with y'all because I've had some thoughts in my head. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and uh, if you've been around, you know that I've
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Speaker 1: been uh needing to do something. I think I was like,
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Speaker 1: I need some big change. Well, I've actually been looking
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Speaker 1: at purchasing a home recently, and not just because I'm
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Speaker 1: having a midlife crisis or a crisis at all, but
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Speaker 1: actually for living reasons, because you know, rent is bad,
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Speaker 1: It's Atlanta, everything is skyrocketing, and we're trying to make
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Speaker 1: life choices that are smart. Yeah, but damn capitalism sucks. Indeed,
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Speaker 1: just saying just saying, um, and y'all, it's a whole endeavor.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure many of you have already passed this threshold
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Speaker 1: of trying to buy a house. I feel like it's
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Speaker 1: called adult ing. I'm not good at it. I think
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Speaker 1: I tweeted recently about the fact that I actually had
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Speaker 1: an anxiety attack after having a real conversation with a
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Speaker 1: professional about purchasing a home. Still thinking about it makes
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Speaker 1: my heart flutter a bit, and there's so much to do,
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Speaker 1: and to be honest, part of that, this is like
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Speaker 1: what if you know, scenarios like trying to create the
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Speaker 1: best case scenario for myself, not going in too much,
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Speaker 1: that not going overboard, finding something that I love. All
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Speaker 1: of these things and one of the things I've been
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Speaker 1: trying to plot any I know you're very well aware,
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Speaker 1: it's trying to have all my ladies in an area
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Speaker 1: with me, because that's something that I've been thinking about
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Speaker 1: a lot. In college, I had this and I don't
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Speaker 1: know if you did. Of course, we had roommates, but
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Speaker 1: we had a little section where all of our little
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Speaker 1: friends were close to each other. It wasn't just ladies,
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Speaker 1: but just like we were all close to each other
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Speaker 1: and there was something to it. And I loved being
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Speaker 1: able to like relying on each other if we needed company,
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Speaker 1: was there, If not, we could go our separate ways.
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Speaker 1: You know all of that, And again, you know, I'm like,
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Speaker 1: what would it look like if we try to make
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Speaker 1: a community of our own. Yes, I may or may
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Speaker 1: not have been sending any houses to look at and say,
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Speaker 1: would you live in this with me? It's definitely you
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Speaker 1: did do that, absolutely that you did. So I do
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Speaker 1: have a partner that we will be moving in together officially,
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Speaker 1: but I was like, any if we got a basement apartment,
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Speaker 1: would you come and hang with us? And I've seriously
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Speaker 1: been sending her pictures like, look at this could be
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Speaker 1: your place. It's true, that's true, And I'm like, how
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Speaker 1: much Star Wars decor can I get away with all
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Speaker 1: of It's your spot, It's your spot. And to be honest, like,
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Speaker 1: it's been a thing that we've talked about a lot,
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Speaker 1: Caroline from a Lady Legends previously, from stuff mom I
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Speaker 1: never told you and I have been talking about it
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Speaker 1: for a while. We're like, man, it would just be
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Speaker 1: nice to be close to each other but separate from
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Speaker 1: each other, wouldn't it. Yes, Yes, yes, Especially during the
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Speaker 1: quarantine when we were self locked down because Atlanta wasn't
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Speaker 1: doing that necessarily, it was like, you know, it would
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Speaker 1: be nice to be able to like just sit across
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Speaker 1: porches and yell at each other. Yeah, just have a porche,
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Speaker 1: right again. So this made us start wondering could it
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Speaker 1: be possible to create our own communities and we know
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Speaker 1: there are some and we're gonna talk more about it,
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Speaker 1: but before we start, Annie, if you could create your
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Speaker 1: own community, what would it look like. I so, as
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Speaker 1: you said, we've talked about this a lot before. We've
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Speaker 1: talked about it on the podcasts, and several listeners have
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Speaker 1: written in and said that this idea really resonated with them,
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Speaker 1: that they've thought about it too, and they gave like
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Speaker 1: excellent reasons why, some like societal and pressure reasons and
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Speaker 1: some just fun reasons. So I have thought about this
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Speaker 1: for a while and I have a pretty good vision
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Speaker 1: in my head. But it's like you know in movies
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Speaker 1: when they have that like flashback scene where you're remembering
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Speaker 1: the better days and the light is kind of soft,
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Speaker 1: the focus is soft and right. So like I have
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Speaker 1: this general vision, but it's not. I havent honed in
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Speaker 1: on all the details, but some key things I know.
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Speaker 1: I want a garden. I want like a functioning, beautiful
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Speaker 1: garden um that we all contribute to in one way
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Speaker 1: or the other, because I think you can help out
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Speaker 1: in various ways. As you said, I want together but separate.
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Speaker 1: I want everyone to have their own spaces and even
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Speaker 1: maybe their own kitchens are either a huge as kitchen
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Speaker 1: huge because I feel like a lot of tensions that
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Speaker 1: happen in living situations is based around the kitchen. So
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Speaker 1: I want a big kitchen. I want it to be
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Speaker 1: somewhere that has a lot of like greenery and maybe
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Speaker 1: trails around and we can walk. I want to be
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Speaker 1: able to see stars at night, like a lot of
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Speaker 1: stars for waters close by. That'd be nice, whether it's
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Speaker 1: a river or anybody of water that'd be really nice.
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Speaker 1: Would like nice weather. Um. I like seasons, but like
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Speaker 1: maybe not too strong of seasons because you know the
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Speaker 1: garden right right. And I want to like theater area
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Speaker 1: where we can do like movies or plays or whatever.
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Speaker 1: I thought about having like a planetarium situation, but I
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Speaker 1: think if the stars are good enough in the planetariums overkill.
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Speaker 1: And then obviously some kind of like Star Wars area
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Speaker 1: for me, maybe that's in my own space, um, but
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Speaker 1: that has to exist somewhere, And then there would have
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Speaker 1: to be like a division of labor that we can
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Speaker 1: agree upon all those like logistics that I really didn't
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Speaker 1: get into in this like soft focus, beautiful idealized version.
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Speaker 1: But there would have to be like some type of
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Speaker 1: leadership thing and uh, a place to air grievance because
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Speaker 1: I like it, I don't want to apart is really good. Yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta address those things or else like
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Speaker 1: the seeds of annoyance will so and then the whole
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Speaker 1: thing falls apart. Also, people are free to come and
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Speaker 1: go they want. I want it to be a very
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Speaker 1: like peaceful experience, right And you know what that you're
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Speaker 1: not far off because a lot of those conversations have happened,
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Speaker 1: uh in that same thing, and the whole like being
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Speaker 1: in the open and seeing stars, that's actually a part
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Speaker 1: of the requirements that happened in the past. Uh. And
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Speaker 1: we're gonna talk a little more about it. But I
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Speaker 1: know you and I have talked about this about how
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Speaker 1: we're gonna be neighboring communes because we were a little
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Speaker 1: bit different in what we wanted. I think we would
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Speaker 1: share garden. I think they definitely would need to share garden.
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Speaker 1: I do think of our my space would have to
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Speaker 1: be individual kitchens because you have a lot of contention
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Speaker 1: happens about dirty dishes, who does what chores and everybody
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Speaker 1: can do it themselves as long as it's just like
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Speaker 1: reasonable as in, like, you're not bringing infestation, then it
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Speaker 1: shouldn't be a big deal, right, So my head, my commune. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's not just all women necessarily, but understand it's probably
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Speaker 1: women run which actually exists today too, and we'll talk
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Speaker 1: about that a little later. Um. Yeah, I really like
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Speaker 1: the idea. Honestly, it's more about you know, not necessarily commune,
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Speaker 1: but the community, meaning we live there, but we go
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Speaker 1: and do our own things. We can't sustain there, but
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Speaker 1: we're also able to go buy deritos if we want it. Um,
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Speaker 1: there's no shame in bringing that in. Yes, of course
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Speaker 1: I will need my TV so I can keep watching
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Speaker 1: all of my episodes on repair for my trauma WiFi important, Yes,
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Speaker 1: and also we would have therapist on hand. That was
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Speaker 1: definitely another part to that. It's that you need to
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Speaker 1: do therapy, whether it's once a month check in how
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Speaker 1: are things going, or once a week let's get down
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Speaker 1: to it. Like that's my other big part to that.
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Speaker 1: If you want family, wonderful, we'll have that worked out.
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Speaker 1: I feel like we should create our own schools because
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Speaker 1: I don't love what's happening in schools, especially in the
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Speaker 1: South right now. With also giving livable wages for teachers
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Speaker 1: and therapists. So just saying, just saying, maybe bringing my
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Speaker 1: own doctor team to like my own little healthcare team. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: so that everybody gets access to healthcare that is communal
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Speaker 1: as well. Yeah. It's funny because we briefly discussed this beforehand,
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Speaker 1: very very briefly, and Samantha was telling me all about
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Speaker 1: her ideas and I was like, where is the funding
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Speaker 1: coming from? And She's like, don't ask questions, don't worry
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Speaker 1: about this. You're right, Like I said, mine is also
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Speaker 1: a soft focused, beautiful, idealized issue. I haven't hampered out
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Speaker 1: in details. I mean it may end up be like, yes,
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Speaker 1: like as if we are in a socialist country, we
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Speaker 1: would have not taxes, but we would fund freely, like okay,
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Speaker 1: half of this, but knowing that this takes care of
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Speaker 1: all of that, including education and da da da da
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Speaker 1: being a community. Right, But that's a whole different complication.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, and we do have all these ideas but
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Speaker 1: not necessarily true. But we also want to talk about
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Speaker 1: and look at some of the past communities and some
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Speaker 1: that are still here today and talk about what they
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Speaker 1: looked like and why it was important for that time
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Speaker 1: and just talking about whether or not can they be
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Speaker 1: successful because they are kind of dying out. So um,
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Speaker 1: A big chunk of them actually started in the seventies
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Speaker 1: or late sixties, thanks two second wave of feminism, which
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Speaker 1: as we know, didn't look great in the nineteen nineties,
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Speaker 1: and so a lot of went down And maybe we
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Speaker 1: should go ahead and put a content warning. It's not
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Speaker 1: we're not getting into any deep uh specifics about people
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Speaker 1: uh domestic violence or abuse or anything, but we are
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Speaker 1: going to talk about them a little bit. We all
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Speaker 1: are going to mention turfs because obviously when we talk
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Speaker 1: about all women, there's a lot of conversations to be
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Speaker 1: had about it um as well. So if in of
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Speaker 1: these things are like it's too controversial right now, I
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Speaker 1: don't want to deal with it, I understand. Move on,
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Speaker 1: here we go. So before we start, let's talk about
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Speaker 1: a little bit of history. So in eighteen sixty there
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Speaker 1: actually was a US community started here, started about Martha mcquard,
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Speaker 1: who was a Bible study leader who happened to be
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Speaker 1: a confidant for many unhappy married women who had no options. Uh.
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Speaker 1: So during this time, of course, we know eighteen sixties
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Speaker 1: even now, actually, in a lot of religious communities, it
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Speaker 1: is frowned upon for women to leave their husbands, no
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Speaker 1: matter how abusive, no matter how bad it was. As
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Speaker 1: she would often be a confidant at these Bible studies
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Speaker 1: which she led for women who would tell her about
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Speaker 1: all of the bad things, a lot of about alcoholism
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Speaker 1: and their husbands being abusive, beraty, or neglectful in general,
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Speaker 1: and she would actually advise them and started off with like, well,
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Speaker 1: cut them off. So she had these ideas, uh, and
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Speaker 1: today would be like, this is weaponizing some things. But
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Speaker 1: she had did what she had to do, literally teaching
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Speaker 1: women what they had to do. They couldn't leave because
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Speaker 1: at that point in time, especially in the community that
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Speaker 1: she lived in Texas, they would not allow for divorce
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Speaker 1: unless women proved that if they were to remain, they
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Speaker 1: would die, and obviously it was hard to do that
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Speaker 1: because they would die. And even with that case, they
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Speaker 1: would still make them go back to their husband's after
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Speaker 1: a while by after chastising the husband or they would say, yeah,
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Speaker 1: you can get divorced, but you can never marry again.
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Speaker 1: You are there to support your your family community. No
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Speaker 1: matter what, you can't be married again, you have to
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Speaker 1: sustain isolated, which was a lot, which was pretty difficult,
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Speaker 1: saying that women could not earn money. They really if
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Speaker 1: they did not have family to support them, they were
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Speaker 1: in trouble. So she was trying to say, okay, do
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Speaker 1: these things, trying to discipline the man to teach them
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Speaker 1: a lesson. It did not work out too well, so
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Speaker 1: eventually she was like, you know what, come on over,
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Speaker 1: So she started the Sanctified Sisters also known as the
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Speaker 1: Sanctificationists in their household and then had women moved into
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Speaker 1: their household with them while she cared for them, which
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Speaker 1: later trans into having another building that they opened up
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Speaker 1: uh and it was the first shelter to help women
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Speaker 1: seeking refuge in five And by the way, there's a
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Speaker 1: lot of stories about the fact that her and her
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Speaker 1: husband were pretty happy, but towards the end he started
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Speaker 1: getting a lot of backlash and was not too happy
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Speaker 1: and kind of bemoaned the situation, but she still did
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Speaker 1: her thing. He finally died and she took over the
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Speaker 1: fortune and was able to establish herself. So she said, whatever,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to keep doing this. Love it, love it
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Speaker 1: um And they were delivering services for battered women, uh,
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Speaker 1: and later organized the Women's Commonwealth of Belton in Texas.
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Speaker 1: And by the way, the town of Belton not huge fans.
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Speaker 1: They blamed her for the divorces and separations that happened,
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Speaker 1: really talked about how she was enabling these women to
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Speaker 1: turn their away from their husbands and sitting. But her
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Speaker 1: legendary work remained and even after her death it continued
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Speaker 1: with the last member of the Commonwealth died in nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty three, so over a hundred years later. So go
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Speaker 1: ahead and um, as we said earlier, the sixties and
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Speaker 1: seventies were prime years for a lot of these communities,
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Speaker 1: and they were often referred to as quote going back
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Speaker 1: to the land, so kind of your idea, um as.
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Speaker 1: The communities were self sustaining communities that would be placed
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Speaker 1: back into the woods, away from quote society, so people
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Speaker 1: couldn't see them or even notice it existed. Uh. They
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Speaker 1: were able to have their own gardens and have their
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Speaker 1: own livelihoods without people interfering. And by the way, also
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Speaker 1: the Commonwealth, the Women's Commonwealth, was so beloved um that
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Speaker 1: it kept going. As in fact, some of our homes
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Speaker 1: now some of them, some of the communities reflect similar
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Speaker 1: to what she had created, and she became like a
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Speaker 1: huge part of the community as in she was I
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Speaker 1: believe in office as some of like big government local
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Speaker 1: government things. So she was involved. And because she was
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Speaker 1: actually a really smart businesswoman, Uh, they really respected the
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Speaker 1: fact that she could maintain h That's interesting. I think
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Speaker 1: this idea of like going back to the land for
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Speaker 1: because it's almost like you're trying to get away from
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Speaker 1: the toxic things in society. You're kind of like checking
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Speaker 1: out from that aspect of it. So I find that interesting.
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Speaker 1: So the history collection dot com says about these communities, quote,
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Speaker 1: these were called Women's lands, and that's women's spelled w
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Speaker 1: O M y n s well approscts, you know what
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Speaker 1: I mean. And many of them still exist today. They
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Speaker 1: accept women of all races and re agens. Some of
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Speaker 1: these communes were specifically made to house lesbians. Other communities
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Speaker 1: were meant to help women travelers who were brave enough
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Speaker 1: to venture across country alone and needed places to stay
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Speaker 1: where they felt safe. Considering how many women are still
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Speaker 1: attacked and killed when traveling alone and staying in cheap motels,
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Speaker 1: this kind of program would still be useful to this day.
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Speaker 1: Many of these places are filled with small cabins and shacks,
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Speaker 1: almost like a campsite, and all of the citizens have
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Speaker 1: to do their part to help keep the community going.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's past episodes about the women spelling w
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Speaker 1: O M y in uh specifically, but during the times,
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Speaker 1: they really were adamant that they did not want men
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Speaker 1: as a part of their words so m eaten um
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Speaker 1: and say they put the y instead to show their
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Speaker 1: own autonomy and not as part of the misogynistic patriarchal
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Speaker 1: idea of existing under man. So just that. So one
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Speaker 1: of the biggest pluses for these communities is for the
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Speaker 1: women who did not have children or other family members
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Speaker 1: to help care for them as they grew older. And
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Speaker 1: I think about this often any as someone who was
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Speaker 1: child list I'm like, oh my god, I'm gonna be alone,
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Speaker 1: which is what my mother's fear was for me. But
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Speaker 1: communities like this allowed for women to grow together with
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Speaker 1: others and not having to be alone. As in fact,
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Speaker 1: the original members of the Women's common Wealth were able
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Speaker 1: to retire together moving from Texas to this DC because
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Speaker 1: they wanted to grow that community and wanted to do
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Speaker 1: in the capital um and in the nineties. Another group,
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Speaker 1: older women's co housing, have a similar idea where women
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Speaker 1: living together, learning together, helping each other financially and emotionally.
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Speaker 1: Of course, in the nineties that are like, we don't
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Speaker 1: want to be seen as feminist and hippie, so they
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Speaker 1: try to remove themselves from that conversation, even though their
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Speaker 1: ideas were very feminist, just to go ahead with that there.
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Speaker 1: But yeah, this is something I think about too. It
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Speaker 1: was like getting older has been easier because I have
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Speaker 1: a collective of friends who don't have children themselves, um
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Speaker 1: and are able to be a little more accessible for
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Speaker 1: me as a single person when I'm saying, hey, let's
16:58
Speaker 1: gonnaet a drink or let's go out here, because you know,
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Speaker 1: children are work. We get that, and children are beautiful
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Speaker 1: and amazing, and I hope that never comes across that
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Speaker 1: we are anti children in any way. But we know
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Speaker 1: that it's a lot of work, and then we know
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Speaker 1: this has to be a build up, and we know
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Speaker 1: that oftentimes in a family heteronormative family, women have carry
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Speaker 1: the brunt and burden of the load by choice and
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Speaker 1: sometimes not by choice. So that's something that we do
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Speaker 1: talk about. But there's also that Hopefully, if you have
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Speaker 1: a good relationship with these children, they will take care
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Speaker 1: of you when you get to the point that you
17:36
Speaker 1: need some way to care for you, which, by the way,
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Speaker 1: it's horrifying. As I'm aging, I'm like, oh my god,
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Speaker 1: m hm, that's scary. But for those who have not
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Speaker 1: had children, that's something we don't have. So if we
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Speaker 1: don't have family who takes care of you, Yeah, that's
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Speaker 1: definitely one of the appeals of the commune idea for
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Speaker 1: me is like I can be single, but they're people around,
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Speaker 1: yes to help that care about me, and if I
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Speaker 1: fall down, they can come and get me right. At
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Speaker 1: least someone's gonna come check up on me. Which is
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Speaker 1: a city episode. Oh wow, it all comes back to
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Speaker 1: six in the city every time. Sure, we'll get to it.
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Speaker 1: And I have more thoughts then. Yes, So they want
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Speaker 1: to talk more about some of the communities that exists today.
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Speaker 1: But I don't know if you actually knew this. I
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Speaker 1: did not know this. Arkansas has a chunk of women
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Speaker 1: intentional communities, or sometimes I call them women communes. I
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Speaker 1: guess communes have a whole different connotations. Sometimes that's a
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Speaker 1: whole different conversation again, but Arkansas has a chunk of it,
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Speaker 1: and it has a lot to do with Apparently, in
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Speaker 1: the nineteen sixties and nineteen seventies, some lands were really, really,
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Speaker 1: really really cheap and easy to purchase, so a lot
18:56
Speaker 1: of these lands were purchased that way. Now a lot
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Speaker 1: of the other communities and the ones we talk about
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Speaker 1: in Arkansas seem to have something to do with a
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Speaker 1: Native and Indigenous communities and then taking back some of
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Speaker 1: the lands. So that's kind of a beautiful thought too.
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Speaker 1: But we did want to take a moment to talk
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Speaker 1: about them. Yes, so we have some quotes about these
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Speaker 1: communities um from Arkansas starting with The specific values that
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Speaker 1: bring women together to form land communities vary from one
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Speaker 1: community to the next. The overarching commonalities include the importance
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Speaker 1: of distinguishing women's communities from patriarchal institutions by valuing women's contributions,
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Speaker 1: encouraging women's empowerment, and relying on consensus based decision making
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Speaker 1: processes and non hierarchical organization. Another common stood has been
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Speaker 1: to provide space for women to take on non conforming
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Speaker 1: gender and leadership roles. Environmental sustainability and preservation also are
19:49
Speaker 1: common goals, often grounded in a synthesis of radical and
19:52
Speaker 1: inco feminist philosophies, emphasizing that women should have an opportunity
19:56
Speaker 1: to quote live together in harmony with the earth, with
19:58
Speaker 1: respect toward and growing with her and one another. Right,
20:02
Speaker 1: And I found that what they were saying. So this
20:05
Speaker 1: all comes from one site, um who talked about their history,
20:08
Speaker 1: and I loved it. So we wanted to talk about
20:10
Speaker 1: why they're doing it, what it looked like, and then
20:12
Speaker 1: talking about exist like specific communities right right, And there
20:17
Speaker 1: were several in Arkansas, yes, including one intentional community still
20:20
Speaker 1: there today, the Santaorio arco Iris Santario, the Santario Arco
20:26
Speaker 1: Iris and from the Encyclopedia of Arkansas dot com here's
20:29
Speaker 1: a bit about this community. Santaario Arco Iris, an intentional
20:33
Speaker 1: land community located in Ponca, Newton County near the Buffalo
20:37
Speaker 1: National River in northwestern Arkansas, was founded by Maria Cristina
20:41
Speaker 1: de Coloris Morales, also known by her ceremonial names sun
20:45
Speaker 1: Hawk and Arguida, originally as a sanctuary or sacred land
20:49
Speaker 1: space for all women and children, particularly women and children
20:52
Speaker 1: of color. Morales, who identifies as a so called two
20:56
Speaker 1: spirit woman, of Mexico and Indigenous American descent has lived
20:59
Speaker 1: on the Wilderness Preserved since nineteen seventy six. She moved
21:02
Speaker 1: there with her five year old daughter, Jennifer, her partner
21:05
Speaker 1: from nineteen two to two thousand eleven. Maguila Borges was
21:09
Speaker 1: also instrumental in the development of Centenario arco Iris and
21:13
Speaker 1: its associated nonprofit organization, the Arco Iris EarthCare Project or
21:17
Speaker 1: the ai e c P. Moroles prefers the Pan Indian
21:21
Speaker 1: term two spirit to the term lesbian to describe a
21:24
Speaker 1: third or non binary gender identification and sexual orientation that
21:27
Speaker 1: derives from Native American ceremonial roles and culture. Yeah, I
21:31
Speaker 1: would love to dig more into her because she sounds
21:34
Speaker 1: amazing anyway, But yeah, keep going, okay. I will drawing
21:40
Speaker 1: eclectically from various spiritual and ideological traditions. Arco Iris we
21:45
Speaker 1: use eco feminist, Indigenous American and non Western concepts of
21:48
Speaker 1: sustainable environment and community, social justice, and natural healing into
21:53
Speaker 1: its mission. As Marole stated, Sentario arco Iris has served
21:56
Speaker 1: as a rural shelter for women and children of color
21:59
Speaker 1: to regain our self respect and self determination and heal
22:02
Speaker 1: from our personal and ancestral wounds. We learned from nature
22:05
Speaker 1: how to be healthy women and good parents and community members,
22:08
Speaker 1: recovering our indigenous cultures, spiritual ways, and remembering our matriarchal
22:12
Speaker 1: ceremonies to protect ourselves, our children, and above all Mother Earth.
22:16
Speaker 1: We started from scratch on rural wilderness land, with no
22:19
Speaker 1: elders or community, no money, no road, no homes, no infrastructure.
22:23
Speaker 1: We were poor, working class women, survivors of every type
22:26
Speaker 1: of abuse and neglects, and we made our way back
22:28
Speaker 1: home to our roots and our mother, and then it
22:32
Speaker 1: goes on. Never intended as a strictly lesbian separatist settlement,
22:38
Speaker 1: arco Iris now welcomes in its community both women and
22:41
Speaker 1: men with serious commitment to its ideals of healing, social justice,
22:45
Speaker 1: and sustainability. Maroles and Borges reared both a daughter and
22:49
Speaker 1: a son on the land, and a male cousin currently
22:51
Speaker 1: resides at arco Iris with Maroles. Nevertheless, arco Iris remains
22:55
Speaker 1: rooted in philosophy and programming and what has come to
22:58
Speaker 1: be known as the lesbian land Into movement also called
23:01
Speaker 1: the land Dyke movement, as well as in broader social
23:05
Speaker 1: and cultural movements for indigenous people's rights, anti racism, alternative
23:09
Speaker 1: healing and ecology. Right, So this is apparently the entirety
23:14
Speaker 1: of this community kind of came through splinters of older communities.
23:19
Speaker 1: It's fascinating to me. I'm not really sure again, like
23:22
Speaker 1: they talked about who they bring in UM, what they're doing,
23:24
Speaker 1: but it's obviously very specific and very focused. And I
23:27
Speaker 1: love that. I love the idea of preservation UM for
23:30
Speaker 1: their community, indigenous peoples and people of colors. So like,
23:33
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful idea and I'm glad they still exists.
23:36
Speaker 1: I do wonder how much it has dwindled. Like I said,
23:38
Speaker 1: it has splintered throughout the years from the seventies, but
23:42
Speaker 1: a few do exist. And speaking of which, I did
23:45
Speaker 1: not know that there was one in Alabama? Did you know?
23:48
Speaker 1: I did not. I have seen. This is not really related,
23:52
Speaker 1: but I will mention there's this place in Alabama near
23:56
Speaker 1: my grandparents old beach house called Bama Hinge Stone Hinge.
24:00
Speaker 1: But it's like Native ser guardboard. And the first time
24:04
Speaker 1: I stiffled across what, I was like, what's going on here?
24:09
Speaker 1: What's happening here? Right? So, according to the site, because
24:14
Speaker 1: it exists, quote, Alipine is home to a diverse group
24:17
Speaker 1: of women w M y N who celebrate many spiritual pasts,
24:21
Speaker 1: pursue a variety of outdoor activities, and enjoy vegetarian and
24:25
Speaker 1: guten free to omnivorious diets. Residents are full time, part time,
24:29
Speaker 1: or seasonal. Uh there are some non resident lot owners.
24:33
Speaker 1: Dogs and cats are welcome, with some restrictions. We currently
24:37
Speaker 1: range in ages from fifties to eighties, but welcome women
24:41
Speaker 1: of all ages. And by the way, because we talked
24:44
Speaker 1: about this earlier and I thought it's important, high speed
24:46
Speaker 1: internet allow some members to work from home. Many are retired.
24:49
Speaker 1: We are within an hour of several large cities, so
24:52
Speaker 1: the whole life it's still updated. So they exist. You
24:55
Speaker 1: can look at their site. Alipine dot org is a
24:58
Speaker 1: l A p I in e dot org. And if
25:01
Speaker 1: I'm saying that wrong, I apologize. I don't know A
25:04
Speaker 1: probably they have rooms for rents in the village. We
25:07
Speaker 1: might have to check this place out. By the way,
25:09
Speaker 1: it is right there research right there in Alabama, UM
25:14
Speaker 1: and they were featured in one of the articles that
25:16
Speaker 1: talk about women led organizations or women led villages around
25:21
Speaker 1: the world and what they say of this community in
25:24
Speaker 1: one hundred acres of rural northeastern Alabama land since Alipine
25:29
Speaker 1: and all female community born out of the nineteen seventies
25:32
Speaker 1: lesbian separatist movement, and it continues to survive in Bible
25:36
Speaker 1: Belt America. Alipine only numbers a dozen or so members
25:39
Speaker 1: these days. But what the women have created here is
25:42
Speaker 1: not unique, and I am surprised. Maybe it's because we
25:45
Speaker 1: don't know about it. We haven't looked into it. They're
25:47
Speaker 1: apparently around a hundred lesbian communities, uh like Alipine around
25:52
Speaker 1: North America. Again, it's called Women's Land. I think we've
25:55
Speaker 1: talked about that previously and it just co opts for women,
25:58
Speaker 1: farm and and the women are the ones who tended
26:01
Speaker 1: as well as lead it. So it is an interesting
26:04
Speaker 1: thing to see again. Any I think you and I
26:07
Speaker 1: may need to go check the spot out. And yeah,
26:10
Speaker 1: there's several around the country and that we talked about.
26:13
Speaker 1: I know there's several I think in Australia um that
26:16
Speaker 1: still exists. There's a lot. I know we haven't dug
26:19
Speaker 1: into it, but it is still kind of what we
26:21
Speaker 1: talked about. How it has died out and may have
26:23
Speaker 1: everything to do with the intersectional feminism that has existed today. UM.
26:27
Speaker 1: One of the big conversations that happened in the fragmenting
26:31
Speaker 1: of several of these places are the exclusions of trans women.
26:36
Speaker 1: And we've seen that in festivals. We've talked about this before.
26:38
Speaker 1: I know there's one home named after Susan B. Anthony.
26:42
Speaker 1: That's a whole different conversation in itself, which would do
26:46
Speaker 1: did not allow for trans communities to be a part
26:49
Speaker 1: of this area, and then that kind of grew into
26:52
Speaker 1: trans communities building their own communities, which I love the idea,
26:57
Speaker 1: which is a lot more welcoming and loving. There's a
27:00
Speaker 1: whole other conversation about what what about non binary who?
27:03
Speaker 1: How do we include them? What does that look like
27:06
Speaker 1: and how or do we make sure that that we
27:08
Speaker 1: are providing a safe space for everyone, um and including
27:12
Speaker 1: the non binary, but at the same time trying to
27:15
Speaker 1: word it correctly. I guess for each area, and I
27:18
Speaker 1: know that was a big part of conversations. Again after
27:22
Speaker 1: a second way feminism, we know there was a lot
27:24
Speaker 1: of backlash and so this this is part of the
27:27
Speaker 1: reason why they say these communities may be dying out.
27:30
Speaker 1: UM again, lesbian only where they did ban all men,
27:34
Speaker 1: which I don't hate. I don't hate. It was controversial
27:37
Speaker 1: for a little while again that turf talk walked into
27:42
Speaker 1: this as well when we looked at how inclusive some
27:47
Speaker 1: of these communities were. We're not. There's a there was
27:52
Speaker 1: a lot of politics, unfortunately in an area that didn't
27:55
Speaker 1: want a lot of politics. Just to put in here,
28:11
Speaker 1: I think for a lot of people, when you hear
28:13
Speaker 1: the word commune, which we've been using community a lot,
28:16
Speaker 1: but when when you think of like the word commune,
28:19
Speaker 1: you associate, if you're like me, you associate with cult
28:22
Speaker 1: or that at least there is the danger of that happening.
28:26
Speaker 1: And I happen to know two men who have talked
28:29
Speaker 1: to me about wanting to join a cult. Not I
28:32
Speaker 1: see I did it. I did it. I wanted to
28:35
Speaker 1: join a commune um and I my immediate, clearly reaction was,
28:40
Speaker 1: are you sure that's not a cult? M which I
28:44
Speaker 1: as we've said, I love this idea, but there is
28:47
Speaker 1: I think a part of it is like propaganda media.
28:50
Speaker 1: We've seen I watched a million horror movies. It is
28:53
Speaker 1: sort of like living outside of the patriarchal system. So
28:57
Speaker 1: I think there's been a lot of that, like paintbrush
28:59
Speaker 1: over it, and I guess it's been it's been very successful.
29:02
Speaker 1: And that's not to say there isn't a danger because
29:04
Speaker 1: if you have like a very when they say cult
29:07
Speaker 1: to personality, like somebody who can be very persuasive and
29:10
Speaker 1: lead these things. And I don't know, because we also
29:13
Speaker 1: talked about that when we did women in Cults where
29:14
Speaker 1: that we have it's a very fine line between what
29:18
Speaker 1: you're demonizing as a cult versus what is just living
29:21
Speaker 1: outside of the societal norms you're used to, especially like
29:24
Speaker 1: Western Christian patriarchal societal norms for us in specific. But
29:31
Speaker 1: I think that's an interesting part of this too, is that, um,
29:36
Speaker 1: you know, these politics, as you say, have come into
29:38
Speaker 1: them and to what we want to be these like
29:40
Speaker 1: you know, beautiful kind of free you can finally be
29:44
Speaker 1: yourself and be free, and we can live in harmony spaces.
29:47
Speaker 1: But there's also that kind of like outside, like what's
29:50
Speaker 1: it going on here? Right? Right? You know? With all
29:56
Speaker 1: of that, there's this level of conversation. Yes, they were
30:00
Speaker 1: not only seen as communist, but because it was women ran,
30:03
Speaker 1: they were also seen as hippies, which for the longest
30:06
Speaker 1: time had a negative connotation to it, and it still does.
30:10
Speaker 1: It still does, like people use that as jokes, Oh
30:12
Speaker 1: you are you a hippie? Now are you a hippie? Now? Um?
30:15
Speaker 1: Are you like Petuli? All these things really ridiculous assumptions
30:20
Speaker 1: with being a hippie, and some of these organizations have
30:24
Speaker 1: fallen out of favor because of those labels and titles,
30:28
Speaker 1: as well as the fact that for some reason, I
30:32
Speaker 1: think maybe the last three years has changed this, but
30:35
Speaker 1: for a while, they're like, we don't need feminism as much,
30:39
Speaker 1: that whole level of like we're good now, women have right,
30:42
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? We're just like you no, no, um.
30:50
Speaker 1: And maybe it's according to what part of social media
30:53
Speaker 1: you're on, what part of the movies, or what part
30:58
Speaker 1: of you know, gaming industry are in, But you realize
31:02
Speaker 1: very quickly, no, it's not gone. And this is why
31:04
Speaker 1: people are asking for a safe space, a place to
31:07
Speaker 1: be able to grow with each other. And on top
31:11
Speaker 1: of that, I think a lot of again we've talked
31:15
Speaker 1: about this before as as an introductory to you and
31:19
Speaker 1: I about mentorship. We don't have a lot of women
31:22
Speaker 1: that we look up to today because we have grown
31:26
Speaker 1: up in a different era where than our parents, than
31:29
Speaker 1: our aunts. Who Again, my mother wanted to be a
31:33
Speaker 1: mother at fourteen, she was ready, like that was her goal,
31:36
Speaker 1: like not gold, but that was her happiness. And she
31:38
Speaker 1: she loves being a mother, She loves being the wife,
31:41
Speaker 1: She loves having her family that defined her that was
31:45
Speaker 1: never me. And trying to figure out who do I
31:48
Speaker 1: look up to, who do I talk to, who do
31:50
Speaker 1: I seek? Uh? And again also being a person of color,
31:55
Speaker 1: all different things. I'm like, I don't want to look
31:56
Speaker 1: up to white women. I'm sorry white women, y'all are amazing,
31:59
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, Like there's this level
32:01
Speaker 1: like they don't understand the hardships and I need to
32:03
Speaker 1: know how to navigate my life. And for the most part,
32:06
Speaker 1: like my friends, books and and people that I have trusted,
32:10
Speaker 1: whether it's teachers or people that I've read through, they
32:14
Speaker 1: have been those people. But that was kind of the
32:16
Speaker 1: attraction of some of these communes slash communities was to
32:21
Speaker 1: have mentorship level, as in fact, one such place was
32:24
Speaker 1: called the Huntington's Open Women's Land, which is in Vermont,
32:28
Speaker 1: And as in fact, they were featured in two articles
32:31
Speaker 1: as they were kind of uh, I don't know dying
32:34
Speaker 1: out but had less and less people. I think these
32:37
Speaker 1: both of these articles came in twenty nineteen. Maybe there
32:39
Speaker 1: was a plug that happened for them trying to create
32:43
Speaker 1: uh an open environment, but their their intention was to
32:47
Speaker 1: bring younger women into this land and to mentor to
32:52
Speaker 1: shape young women, um, and to prepare them for the
32:55
Speaker 1: world that is so centered around misogynistic ideals, and we
32:59
Speaker 1: kind of lost that And I'm kind of sad about that.
33:02
Speaker 1: I really wish, because I will say, there's something to
33:05
Speaker 1: being able to be with a group of women and
33:07
Speaker 1: to bond mm hmm. Yeah, absolutely, there's something kind of liberating,
33:15
Speaker 1: especially if it's a group of women that is in
33:16
Speaker 1: your like same kind of mindsets and you don't you
33:20
Speaker 1: feel like you don't have to put up these appearances
33:23
Speaker 1: or performances. And also, just the other day, I saw
33:28
Speaker 1: an article, and every now and then there's something I'm like,
33:30
Speaker 1: we're still talking about this, but it was about, um,
33:33
Speaker 1: why are we so afraid of single women? And I
33:38
Speaker 1: think that's another reason why we're kind of like, or
33:40
Speaker 1: at least mainstream media is like, why are all these
33:43
Speaker 1: women living by them? What they're living in? Communities of
33:52
Speaker 1: just women? It's wrong. So there's like the air of
33:54
Speaker 1: you know, like homophobia, but also just fear around women
33:57
Speaker 1: kind of opting out of society, which we've talked about
34:02
Speaker 1: a lot. But I do think, yeah, that is when
34:06
Speaker 1: I think about my ideal commune, it is like full
34:10
Speaker 1: of my friends and full of like the support, uh
34:14
Speaker 1: and just sort of being able to be yourself totally
34:18
Speaker 1: right right and not feel like you have to act
34:22
Speaker 1: in a certain way that is not your self right.
34:25
Speaker 1: Um As In fact, part of reading all of these
34:28
Speaker 1: older generation of women who did these, they talked about
34:31
Speaker 1: that this was about self preservation. The reason that lesbian
34:35
Speaker 1: communes slash lesbian communities were so big, it was because
34:39
Speaker 1: I found a safe space to love who they can love.
34:42
Speaker 1: And I hate that's where we're going back to, and
34:44
Speaker 1: we may need them again because we see all these
34:46
Speaker 1: anti LGBTQ plus policies as going in place and no
34:50
Speaker 1: one's stopping them. But a part of the reasons that
34:52
Speaker 1: these communities happen, what's for the safety of those in
34:57
Speaker 1: the queer community, as well as the safety for the
35:00
Speaker 1: those who have been assaulted and have gone through some things.
35:02
Speaker 1: When I said previously in a different episode, not all men,
35:06
Speaker 1: but all men. That's what we're talking about, not necessarily
35:10
Speaker 1: with the lesbian community, but the whole safety aspect is
35:13
Speaker 1: we can't be mistaken that you're not going to be
35:16
Speaker 1: one of those men. And I say you and the
35:18
Speaker 1: general men in general, that just because you may not
35:24
Speaker 1: be the one that does something to a woman or
35:27
Speaker 1: to someone doesn't mean that it's not going to happen
35:32
Speaker 1: and doesn't mean another man won't do it. So it's
35:34
Speaker 1: just safer for women to assume all men are going
35:36
Speaker 1: to do it until you are in our trust, and
35:40
Speaker 1: even then people break our trust. And that's kind of
35:46
Speaker 1: that whole level. Now, not that abuse doesn't happen within
35:49
Speaker 1: the lesbian community, we know it does. We know abuse
35:52
Speaker 1: happens in the queer community. We know that it's not
35:55
Speaker 1: talked about enough, and we need to be able to
35:57
Speaker 1: give safe spaces to that as well. But what we're
36:00
Speaker 1: looking at is why these female centric communities were so
36:05
Speaker 1: important and are still kind of important, and why we
36:08
Speaker 1: need to learn from them, and why we need to
36:10
Speaker 1: look at them still as a possible option. That's just
36:13
Speaker 1: my opinion. I know, I know that's my opinion, but
36:16
Speaker 1: I did want to also give some examples of other
36:19
Speaker 1: communities women lad communities, so not necessarily like all women.
36:23
Speaker 1: We haven't just been talking about all women only communities,
36:26
Speaker 1: but that they have been successful and why they exist.
36:29
Speaker 1: So this actually came from wondering our World dot com.
36:33
Speaker 1: And I really don't know how old this article is, y'all.
36:36
Speaker 1: I kind of try to look for it. I think
36:38
Speaker 1: it's fairly newer. So I'm hoping that they still exist
36:42
Speaker 1: because that would make me happy. But I didn't want
36:47
Speaker 1: to give some examples of some women lead or all
36:51
Speaker 1: women communities that are thriving around the world, one of
36:55
Speaker 1: them being Umoja Village, where not only are the women
37:00
Speaker 1: in charge, but they're the only inhabitants. Literally men are forbidden.
37:04
Speaker 1: So from the site, it says uh Umoja, situated in
37:08
Speaker 1: the grasslands of northern Kenya, was set up by fifteen
37:11
Speaker 1: women in nineteen ninety as a refuge after suffering horrendous
37:15
Speaker 1: sexual violence at the hands of British soldiers. Finding themselves
37:19
Speaker 1: homeless after being forced out of their homes by husbands
37:22
Speaker 1: who did not want a wife who had been raped,
37:24
Speaker 1: these brave women set up their own village where violence
37:27
Speaker 1: and men were banned. And then later they started taking
37:30
Speaker 1: in children and children with HIV. So abandoned children were
37:34
Speaker 1: allowed in UM three decades on and the community members
37:38
Speaker 1: are around two fifty women and children. Uh. They've continued
37:41
Speaker 1: to take in women fleeing female genital mutilation as well
37:44
Speaker 1: as those seeking safety after suffering assault and rape. The
37:49
Speaker 1: women all members of the Samburu. So sorry. People now
37:54
Speaker 1: live in a completely different life from those who live
37:56
Speaker 1: around them. They make community decisions together, have jobs and income,
38:00
Speaker 1: and live without fear of male violence or of f GM.
38:05
Speaker 1: So I love that. I'm like, I want to go
38:09
Speaker 1: to there. And then we have Noueva do cordero And
38:12
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry if I just butched it. All that
38:15
Speaker 1: and almost all female Brazilian town founded in the eighteen nineties,
38:19
Speaker 1: which continues to grow from strength to strength and now
38:22
Speaker 1: has a population of six hundred uh so Apparently it
38:26
Speaker 1: started off because a Brazilian woman named Maria Sinorina de
38:30
Speaker 1: Lima Uh set up this town after UM she was
38:34
Speaker 1: accused of adultery after leaving a forced marriage and was excommunicated.
38:40
Speaker 1: She wanted to do all this in order to create
38:42
Speaker 1: a haven for women where men could not control them.
38:46
Speaker 1: So that that town is in the southeast of Brazil,
38:49
Speaker 1: which continues to exist today, populated by hundreds of women
38:53
Speaker 1: who work the land and work for each other. The
38:56
Speaker 1: community believes that town is more organized and peaceful than
38:59
Speaker 1: if men were in charge. I'd probably agree. Some of
39:03
Speaker 1: the residents are married, but their husbands almost all work
39:06
Speaker 1: in the little large cities far from the village, so
39:08
Speaker 1: only managed to return on the weekends. Oh my god,
39:11
Speaker 1: I might have to go to here, and it is
39:14
Speaker 1: pretty much run by the women only, and men are
39:16
Speaker 1: allowed to live in the town as long as they
39:18
Speaker 1: abide by the female lead world book. I'm I'm gonna
39:22
Speaker 1: have to go to theirs. I'm gonna have to go
39:26
Speaker 1: um and then just one more, because I love all
39:28
Speaker 1: of these. We wanted to talk about the women of Genoire.
39:31
Speaker 1: As it says in the Sight Out of the Ruins
39:34
Speaker 1: of the Syrian War, a group of women who suffered
39:36
Speaker 1: at the hands of the Isis brutality have created an
39:39
Speaker 1: all female village and refuge college in war based in
39:43
Speaker 1: the north of Kurdish controlled Syria called Rojava. The village
39:46
Speaker 1: was founded in twenty seventeen and the women saw it
39:49
Speaker 1: as an opportunity to create their own self sustainable community
39:53
Speaker 1: living off the land. The women of Genoir believe they
39:56
Speaker 1: must separate themselves from the male dominated violence in the country,
40:00
Speaker 1: inequality between men and women in Syria, and they did
40:03
Speaker 1: this in hopes that they could live the full to
40:05
Speaker 1: their lives, the potential of their life. And they have
40:08
Speaker 1: some few documentaries and seemingly are doing well, and I
40:12
Speaker 1: love to see it. Of course, this is obviously a
40:14
Speaker 1: very new five years old at most. Yeah, I would
40:17
Speaker 1: love to hear more about how they have been able
40:20
Speaker 1: to sustain and continue in a war ravished area. I
40:24
Speaker 1: know we've talked about the Syrian refugees before, and I
40:28
Speaker 1: would like to see what is happening, but we're very limited.
40:32
Speaker 1: But we want to celebrate the fact that they were
40:34
Speaker 1: able to do so and taking control of their lives
40:38
Speaker 1: because it's amazing and we need so many more examples
40:43
Speaker 1: of that. Yeah. Yeah, I mean that's definitely been the
40:48
Speaker 1: theme throughout and I think even when we heard from
40:51
Speaker 1: you listeners, because I know we mentioned it, and I
40:54
Speaker 1: believe our feminist movie Friday on Elman Louise, Yeah, and
40:59
Speaker 1: we talked about that kind of them living outside of
41:02
Speaker 1: society and you know, that's kind of a whole it's
41:05
Speaker 1: different but related idea of there are these problems, there
41:09
Speaker 1: are these injustices that are written into our laws and
41:14
Speaker 1: are just society in general, um as marginalized people and
41:19
Speaker 1: as women as we've been talking about in here, and
41:23
Speaker 1: why it appeals to people to live outside of that.
41:26
Speaker 1: Why this is an appealing idea for a lot of us,
41:29
Speaker 1: I think is that And we've seen that kind of
41:31
Speaker 1: thread throughout in all of these examples. And of course,
41:35
Speaker 1: as you said, as we said throughout, there are problems too,
41:38
Speaker 1: like there's still none of us are completely immune from this,
41:43
Speaker 1: like the biases we've been raised with. But it is
41:48
Speaker 1: very interesting to me to see these examples and to
41:51
Speaker 1: hear these like commonalities and why they exist, which also
41:55
Speaker 1: speaks to like a lot of issues we need to
41:56
Speaker 1: fix in society at large. But uh, yeah, that's right.
42:02
Speaker 1: That is interesting. And like we said, we don't know
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Speaker 1: exactly what all is happening in the world today, but
42:09
Speaker 1: we continues. Yes, Sminthy, I think we need we need
42:12
Speaker 1: to do uh, I think we need to create our
42:14
Speaker 1: own community. Yes, oh my gosh, you know what we
42:17
Speaker 1: need listeners right in what what do we need what
42:22
Speaker 1: is integral in the Sminty community. Uh, we need to
42:27
Speaker 1: know what's your ideal ideal commune slash community. Um and
42:32
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42:36
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42:45
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42:50
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