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ELDRITCH HORROR DEMON JUICE | Nurse Harrow, Violet & All That Deadlock Biz! · Dadlock — A Deadlock Podcast for the Rest of Us

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Uh, all right. Well yarn, it's uh, there's a
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lot going on. We got a nurse The nurse has arrived
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and we have an artiste in the house. You want
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to talk about a little bit of deadlock? Let's
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get into it. All right, get in the van kids.
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We're going for a ride All right keys in the
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ignition This is to mimic real life where are
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my keys? No! They're not under the table! Kids!
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Did you see my kids, kids? I'm gonna be so late!
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I'm gonna be so late! Oh wait, I found them.
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Bye! Alright, well it is October 21st, 2026,
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and it is a good time of year to... Dadlock!
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Welcome to Dadlock! I'm Omnistar, and I'm joined
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by... My name is Yarn. Hello. Yarn. And we're
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going to talk about a little bit of... a little
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bit of deadlock. Yarn. Yarn. Oh, Yarn. Yeah,
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there's a lot of things that happened. Honestly,
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weirdly enough, even though we're at the end
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of the character stuff coming out, I feel like
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a little overwhelmed. Yeah, I'm glad it's over.
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I'm like... I'm so tired. No, I just it gives
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me anxiety to know that things are on the way
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that haven't arrived yet but also like I think
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more than when uh Old God's new blood came out.
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I was just like, oh look, it's Frankenstein and
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now I'm like, what is violet? Why is this happening?
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No kidding. Yeah, we can talk about it more obviously
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but like I think like the this this trot tranch
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of characters is uh This this clutch this brood
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of characters That was hatched. It's slithering
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its way into my fucking cerebral cortex and gnawing
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away at it. Reaching into my soul. But yeah,
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what do you what do you think? Violet and Haro,
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what do you want to talk about first? I would
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like to talk about Violet. Did we talk about
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we talked about Danny already? Yeah. So Violet,
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I think, is interesting. For the amount of hate
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this character has gotten or I can't even tell
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how much of it's like How much of the hate is
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a bit and a joke at this point? Like people are
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saying the character is too boring. The character
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is a gooner character. That's that part seems
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like a joke the character is like representation
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for is it Koreans but also Not good enough. If
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it's not Koreans, you're gonna be that's just
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And now you're more racist than ever before.
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New and improved yarn, more racist than ever
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before. Upgraded extra racism. No, but it's I
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kind of just feel like it's like, do other games
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deal with the same level of scrutiny around like
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just putting an Asian woman in the game or or
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is it like? That's not what I mean. Certainly
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that's not what the scrutiny that I've seen has
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come out. Usually when Asian characters come
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into the game. Yes, there's people who are just
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like, show me their feet. I am an equal opportunity
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offender with that and I want to see everyone.
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But I think that there's genuine, I have genuine
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criticism of the character design. I think the
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kit is fine. I want to interrupt just to say
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too that like part of my lack of criticism, it
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might be the fact that. For this show, we specifically
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avoid looking at lore because we want to be able
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to guess the lore as part of one of our segments.
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So it could be that the lore is very lackluster.
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So then Korean women would be upset with that
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because it's like, can you make a decent character?
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So that I would hear that and understand it.
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But I'm saying it seems like people are just
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like mad at Violet in a way that they haven't
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been with any other character. And I will say
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she's probably the most boring. Sort of looking
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and acting so I don't know I don't understand
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why people don't like her but let me list the
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ways in which I don't like her She's boring.
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She's like I uh my so Just a couple things. I
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think the kid is cool. I think it's interesting.
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I do think it I you know, we talked about the
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visual clutter stuff last time we talked about
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it talked about it before I think Solomon is
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like currently the King no pun intended of visual
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clutter shit flying everywhere and all over the
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minute pun intended Intend that fun. Yeah, but
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the I do think that the Other part of it is that
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like she her character doesn't feel as cohesive
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to me and then also It's kind of like boring.
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I guess which is fine. There's nothing wrong
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with a boring character, but I do think you're
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competing with a lot of really interesting characters
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in this game and between the voice lines and
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the the model and like the moves it's kind of
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just like you know it almost feels like we just
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said this last time some of these characters
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in the new batch they feel like they're plucked
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from a different game a little bit like baba
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feels like baba fits solomon in a lot of ways
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fits. I think there's some things that are like
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the kid again with the moves and all this stuff
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is something we talked about where I feel like
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I'm playing a different game. But yeah, like
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you kind of are like you're literally playing
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a different game. But like, you know, Deadman
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Danny, he fits the aesthetic of deadlock and
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all this stuff. But I think Violet, there's something
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about it that I feel like Violet's the main character
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of a completely different game where she's the
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protagonist. You know what I mean? They pulled
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her out and just put her into deadlock. And it
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just I don't know. It just feels so egregiously
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different to me. But I like it. I don't. So I
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do like the idea that she seems like a just sort
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of like a I don't know any colleges, but like
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a New York art school kind of a student. Right.
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I do think she kind of feels like she's plucked
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out of like twenty twenty five and not nineteen
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forty two. That's what I was kind of getting
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at. Yeah. Yeah. That's true. Actually, for people
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who don't know. There's a thing called the the
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WPA back in like the part of the New Deal It
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was like public works so they were artists that
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were hired by the government to like do different
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things that artists could do for the you know
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public good and stuff like that and You know,
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they could have picked or made something around
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that concept of a character who's like doing
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this like it's all this I mean that turn of the
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century period of time has all this really amazing
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architecture and art and schools in different
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parts of the world, Europe and wherever else
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in America. We're doing all kinds of crazy stuff.
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Right. And there's a lot of change in ways that
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people were even like making art and doing art
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and what we viewed as art moving away from like
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classical stuff. And Violet, to your point, just
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feels like a trendy like. But also equal parts
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trendy and also stereotypical art. It's like
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wearing a smock and a beret and all of a sudden
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you're like. Trying to be like, oh, yeah, they're
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cool. They're a cool art school student Yeah,
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and I also think that we doubled up on smocks
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this season of deadlock There's two smocks one
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of them is nurse harrows is sort of pointier
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Sort of near the the boob area. However, I do
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I would argue I know that that's probably a small
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distinction Yeah, by the way, if like the next
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character we get is like a chef with the fucking
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With his own little like smock type, you know,
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and then someone's like that's not a smock That's
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an that's a chef's apron. It's like Somebody
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has a hard. I think they're all aprons, but somebody
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somebody at valve has a hard on for aprons is
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what I'm getting at Yeah, well, it's funny you
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say that cuz I I have it no You're talking about
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me By the way, please don't tell me that this
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is a kink somewhere, because this is one that
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I am very unaware of and I'd like to remain unaware
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of. No, well, I had nothing to say about that.
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What I was going to say is that the the even
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even Violet's clothes and aesthetic and color
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palette and all that stuff just feel like everyone
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has these like fun, weird, spooky, eldritchy
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things going on. Even Solomon, who is maybe like
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a more kind of like standard thing with his outfit,
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is still like You can see him sitting on a bench
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on the map. You know what I mean? Just like twirling
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a chess piece in his fingers. There's something
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about Violet's kit that I feel like I wish that
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there was some... It's also this thing of like,
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I'm a... This is when like the voice lines in
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the game and like everything meets together and
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you're like, what is happening here? Which is
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that like, she's like... I'm going to paint stuff.
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I love art and I want exposure and I love to
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make stuff and yada yada yada. And then you're
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like every other character in the game is like
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my bones were made of like the tears of children.
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And on top of that, then also it's like the the
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moves and all that stuff. It's magic paint. I
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have magical painting powers, but like, where
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are they coming from? What are they doing? And
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yes, I know that the lore maybe explains some
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amount of this, but like I think the character
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model and design should help illuminate some
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of it. And I don't. I'm just like, I don't know
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what where the powers are coming from. Yeah,
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I also think we will eventually probably take
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back and eat some of our words. I don't know
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the lore of this character. I just know that
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some people on Reddit deadlock the game have
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been like and YouTube and, you know. TikTok random
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places I'm seeing, they've just been like, Oh,
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dude, boring as fucking character. However, I
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saw a great meme that was like, it was a it was
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violet and a pocket. It's that workplace meme
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where it's like, the woman who's like she sees
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like the hot guy with the suit on walk in and
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be like, Hey, honey, how's it going? And she's
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like, Oh, thanks for coming in. And then like
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the fat balding guy comes he's like, Hey, how's
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it going? She's like human resources. So it was
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like, It was like a gender bending sort of a
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soft spoken Asian character pocket. And then
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it's like the hot one. And then it's like violet
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for some reason. It's like human resources. Like,
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why do we hate violet when they're kind of maybe
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that's oversimplifying? I don't know. Here's
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a here's like a distinction like for me. Look
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at Doorman. Doorman is a ghost person, spirit
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entity guardian that works in the Baroness Hotel.
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Right. Sure. Everything that In his kit his story
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his voice lines all the stuff that you get from
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like I haven't looked at his lore But I have
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you know obtained a bunch of it from just playing
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the game and hearing his voice lines is that
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he is like Interesting you understand what his
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place is you understand why he has the abilities
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he has and he's check it You need you know does
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this all and he checks you in The it feels like
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when you look at violet the character model and
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the kit you're like, what is the story? Here
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besides just like I got Painting powers. And
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also, by the way, if I had superpowers that let
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me paint into the real world, I don't know if
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I'd be like, art school is the place for me.
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I'd be like, you know what I mean? I'm like,
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I'm going to think bigger and do like, you know,
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what am I doing with like my my magical powers
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or whatever? And I feel like I haven't felt it
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come and coalesce in a way. And then the have
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you seen the the poster thing that people were
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going back and forth about? No. You don't you
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know what I'm talking about at all? No. You know
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how like all the characters had posters? Yes.
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And then they had like they're like the destroyed
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version. Uh, like their faces when they're when
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you're playing the game, they have their. No,
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the posters. You can get the posters can get
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damaged and what they. Oh, yeah. Now I do know
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what you're talking about with the posters. Yeah.
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So like with Baba's when Baba's is damaged, you
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can see the glasses look broken and inside the
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glasses you can see that she has pigeon eyes.
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Which is like a great. Yeah, that's so cool.
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Yeah. This is before the character came out,
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right? This is when people are, you know, you
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could put the poster and with Violet, Violet's
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damage poster had graffiti on top of it that
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made it was on top of her drawing of herself
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that made it look like a weird colored demon
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spirit monster. And I think people really thought
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that she was going to have some kind of extra
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ability or something or. be able to transform
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into some kind of weird, like some kind of like
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nine -tailed fox. Yeah. Spirit, demon. Yeah.
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Yeah. It like looks really interesting. If you
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look at the picture and I think a lot of people,
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it's the classic thing of before a character
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comes out, people put a bunch of thoughts or
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put a bunch of ideas out about what that character,
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what does that mean? And then none of those things.
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It's like Game of Thrones. It's like Game of
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Thrones is like people are coming up with these
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theories that are like way better than what they
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actually ended up doing. And the people were
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like, what do you mean? He's just got, you know,
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like he's dead. like there's nothing else going
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on. Well, I would say that Valve is usually pretty
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good at just integrating a lot of that shit.
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I mean, look at Rat King, right? Instead of being
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like, because I remember there was something
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about like the Rick and Morty writers would like
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look up Reddit fan theories and then specifically
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be like, oh, we're not going to do that. It's
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like, well, if the fans had a great idea, then
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maybe you should go with that. But I also wanted
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to say that, like, I think that comparing violet
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to doorman isn't totally fair because doorman
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is like one of the best characters this game
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has ever spawned whereas like i feel like i'm
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comparing violet more to like a kelvin or a paradox
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or like a viscous where it's like this is kind
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of just like a type character like um art character
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draw like doing little like I thought there would
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be more sort of Splatoon effects on the ground,
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whatever, but something similar, like, oh, I'm
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making little walls and this kind of stuff. It's
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interesting. Probably the if we're keeping it
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just to lore, I feel like it is just that, like,
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I think this person reaches the bottom level
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of effort where it's like, do I think Violet's
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as good as Kelvin? Yes, I kind of like Violet
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more than Kelvin, right? I think that Maybe it's
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not as good as any of the characters from Old
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Gods. Maybe it's the worst design character from
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this new trunche, as you put it. By the way,
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you're just moving the bar lower and lower and
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lower and lower. But dude, but here's what I'm
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saying. Better than many of the old characters.
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Warden? Twice as good as Warden. No, I think
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Warden, I look, I'm not going to judge the characters
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that might get reworked or updated or whatever
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that much, but I will say the in terms of like
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their style and aesthetic, like I think those
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things will change. But like the look at Graves.
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Right. Graves is a student who does necromancy.
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And you can see that in the whole outfit. Right.
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It is you can tell that they are a student. Same
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thing with Apollo. Right. You can tell Apollo
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is a student and he does fencing and he's a demon.
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Right. And he has a color aesthetic. Ixian. Ixian.
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Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Then the like there's
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a lot of stuff like that where it's like I you
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can just tell right away Violet to me and I don't
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know if this is like an insult or not It's all
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violet feels like so I know technically everyone
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is someone's OC but violet feels like I'm watching
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someone's Clip of like here's my OC and it's
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violet and I'm like, oh dude was sick. Oh see
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ya In the actual game. I'm like, oh, what's this
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doing here? You went to DeviantArt and typed
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in deadlock and this came up. It's like, ooh.
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It also feels like a self -insert. By the way,
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whoever made that character, I am talking directly
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to you now. It's obviously self -insert. Whether
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it's literal or spiritually, you identify with
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this as an art student who made this design,
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I can tell. I see you. I see your pain, but it's
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obvious. I will take a little peek behind the
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curtain here. And feel free to edit out from
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here on out. You are an artist. You went to.
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Omni went to drawing school, as I call it. Drawing
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school and cursed Apple School for the Arts.
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I was going to make a joke and just say like
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Omni had a giant waste of time. Waste of time
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and money. No, obviously not. But I'm just saying
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you are closer to this character than you are
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to fucking doorman. Right. And yet I am a homeless
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man. Therefore, I do not like the drifter. No,
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I'm kidding. No, you know, I like her. We're
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changing the name of the podcast to deadlock
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complaints. Just complaining about fucking. Last
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episode, we'd spent a solid like at the end of
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every segment, we just go, but deadlock is beautiful
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and great. Right. So we'll just get all get our
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affirmations and after the lashes. Yes, that
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makes sense. You would talk about mommy. Let's
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talk about mommy. Mommy. nurse mommy mommy mommy
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harrow yeah tell me tell me now tell me how much
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you hate nurse harrow um so from a design point
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of view i like nurse harrow i think that nurse
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harrow is not the type of character that i typically
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play in these games um i like the leech therapy
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but this goes back to your point though is like
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this feels like it's in the 1930s 1940s um and
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i admit that violet might not seem like she is
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in the 1930s or 40s to me because I have very
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little education of art during this time. You
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could just stop the sentence after education.
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Yeah, education, dot dot dot. Formal or otherwise.
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But yeah, I think, you know, I don't know where
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there's some kind of art movement going on. Yes,
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probably. I don't fucking know. Rothko is a name
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that I know. so Monet curious George but yeah
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I think Harrow is feels like a very good distillation
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of this idea of like it's sort of a nurse hatchet
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it's sort of a like The fear that would overcome
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you if you realize that the nurse taking care
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of you doesn't really need you to live You know
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I think that She looks great and I think that
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she fits the aesthetic certainly. Yeah, I I do
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have a By the way, I agree with you that like
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she had like there's like a very iconic look
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about her, right? I It feels like a character
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that I would definitely play a lot. Obviously
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the you know, we can talk about moves and stuff
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like that in a second. But with both these characters,
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but like visually speaking, identity wise, the
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thing with Nurse Saharo that I like is the vibe
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and aesthetic of all those things. Her outfit
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changes when she ults, her bag has the moving
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eyeball, all that stuff. The only one, the only
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thing that I wish I got more of is that like,
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for example, the two that does the spectral spectral
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rush and spectral crash that I'm like, why is
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this not more Eldritch weird, cool stuff instead?
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It's just like I'm going to there's a buff above
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my head or whatever. I feel like when Nurse Harrow
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is sucking up the leeches, there's like an effect
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that goes onto her face that makes her look like
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she's doing that. You know, she's observing Eldritch
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powers. Yeah, when she ults, she her her hair
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changes, her outfit changes. It looks great.
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It like bleeds through her outfit. It's sick.
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But then the two is just like, I'm going to buff
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myself and then I'll and then I'll be unbuff
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or debuffed. And there's nothing else interesting
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going on. Right. The healing syringes is makes
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itself. It's like, oh, yeah, I'm going to shoot
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you with green healing juice. That's like classic.
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But let's think of a better one. Let's think
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of a better one because she so above her head
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is what like the the, like, snakes around the
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needle or whatever. Yeah, it's the sep - the
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sep - or whatever, uh, like the - yeah, like
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the cate - cateus? Cateus, as whatever they call
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it, like, that you see on ambulances, right?
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It's like the staff. But for her, it's like,
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I think, a syringe with, like, bat wings or something,
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and then it has little snakes going up. Yeah,
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so if that's not good enough for Omni, what would
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- what would reach the level of art school, um,
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sort of design here? Because I feel like Many
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of the characters have something like that, like
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Paige. What does Paige's thing? It's like there's
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shields around them. Her whole thing is that
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she's like sucking out her. From what I understand
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from I haven't read the Lord, but what I understand
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from the voice lines, she's taking out things
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like she can literally take out like pain and
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suffering and it's like and spirits and then
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put them in. She keeps them, obviously, which
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is in her bag. And then she gives them healing
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back. Right. I think she's working with the humors,
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right? This is like weird old medical stuff.
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So she's sucking out from the humors, like possessions
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or something weird like that. And then she puts
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them in her bag and then unleashes them as like
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a Pandora's box of fucking, you know, otherworldly
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terror. But I feel like if she's going to buff
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you, it's almost like I feel like she should
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put like imagine her putting like she's like
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sucking insanity, like, you know, some evil demon
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possess someone. They're insane now. She sucks
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the demon out of them. That's like the psychosis,
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insane demon. And then when you buff, you're
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like, oh, I'm going to put, oh, hey, Venedor,
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I'm going to put a psycho demon on you. And so
22:36
like above you is like an Eldritch horror thing
22:38
that's like, but then it like when you crash,
22:41
it like starts like sucking the shit. You know,
22:44
it's like the detriment element to it. Right.
22:46
And then it like flashes back to her or something.
22:48
Some kind of I do wonder how much they test these
22:51
things for readability, though, because like
22:53
it like that's true. Because it is just a big
22:57
glowing thing on top of their head. Like I know
22:58
when they're in their sort of spectral specter
23:01
rush form, right? I think you can have it both
23:04
ways. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I think
23:09
as far as we might even separate like the conversations
23:14
of, oh, this is how I feel about the character
23:16
design, which we've done with violet. And then
23:18
with Haro, because like, I think Haro's design
23:20
is just like a knock it out of the park like
23:23
it It just is also not my favorite character
23:27
of this set, but I think that it's good. It's
23:32
really good. It's like I also love sort of like
23:35
this kind of dark horror and Lovecraftian sort
23:41
of stuff. The eyes are very good. The hair turning
23:47
white for the alt is like just a nice touch,
23:49
right? Yeah, I know. I feel like both enjoy playing
23:56
her but like you said earlier it's like not the
23:58
person if I was like oh my god I'm in going to
24:00
the hospital and then nurse hair was above me
24:02
I would shit my yeah right like like I'll take
24:04
care of you I'd be like oh god I mean I like
24:07
that that's even in the kit right like when the
24:09
vapors wear off all actions are slower and any
24:12
remaining specters deal their delayed damage
24:14
plus extra damage like shit this is a character
24:16
that's definitely doing um there's positives
24:19
and there's negatives right it's not all positives
24:23
I do think that you could abuse this shit out
24:25
of that too in the best way possible though so
24:27
like if for people who don't like you said it
24:29
earlier but like you get a buff of like I think
24:31
it's like I can't remember exactly but it's like
24:33
movement speed attacks attack speed fire rate
24:35
or whatever yeah and then you also take the delayed
24:40
damage I think is right and then at the end you
24:41
get it all back and you get slowed and all that
24:44
stuff and I could be I don't have it in front
24:45
of me so I don't know if that's exactly right
24:47
but the You could totally if you and your teammate
24:51
is like trying to beat you to like get doubles
24:54
or something, you just put it on them. They'll
24:58
run faster for a little bit, but then you can
24:59
just use your increased stamina pool as nurse
25:02
arrow to then go way past them as they get slowed.
25:05
Can you steal your friends? No, no, no. But I'm
25:07
saying with your extra pool, you could. Yeah,
25:10
yeah. I'm just saying like you're you have the
25:12
extra pips to go ahead of your teammate after
25:14
you've slowed them effectively. Yeah, that's
25:17
great. Yeah. Mean it is interesting the play
25:25
style. It's I haven't I've only played with her
25:28
in the The the little hideout so I am NOT super
25:32
aware of how it all works, but I like the vibe
25:36
I like the the eyeball on the bag. I like the
25:38
alt I think violets kit is much more interesting
25:45
Just in terms of like the different ways we're
25:49
gonna see people play violet like I'm already
25:51
like super annoyed at the amount of walls that
25:54
are being appearing behind me to stop my movement
25:57
backwards as I'm running away from this character
25:59
that has way too much damage. I agree. Totally.
26:04
Yeah, it's a lot. I mean, people have already
26:06
started to try to freeze the wave, freeze the
26:09
minion wave with the thing. And I don't know
26:12
if that's going to get taken out. I don't even
26:14
know how. effective it actually is in the game
26:17
right now. I think the one is going to have to
26:19
get nerfed. But besides the wave clear, it is
26:21
the one part of her kit. I don't have a problem
26:24
with the alt being these like big walls of paint
26:26
and stuff like that, because like we talk about
26:27
like stuff on the screen. I think that the alt
26:30
reads incredibly well. Like, here's what the
26:33
pains that you, you know, if you walk through
26:34
them, they damage you or whatever and slow you.
26:37
I think that the one is has the most abuse potential
26:40
and they're they're going to they're going to
26:41
have to figure out something because it's egregious.
26:44
Yeah, I mean it also just gives this character
26:48
effectively five abilities instead of four Because
26:53
the one can be used two different ways, which
26:55
is I don't know. I mean I compare everyone to
26:58
Shiv where I'm like Shiv keeps getting his legs
27:02
cut off Stamina, but you know now to be fair
27:07
they left the they left the express shot Meme
27:12
build or not even mean build. It's actually good,
27:14
right? But they left that sort of glitch in the
27:18
game to give Shiv fans a you know, a little bit
27:21
of damage, but I don't know I I like the The
27:28
paint stuff. I like that you can use it for all
27:30
these different ways in all these different ways,
27:33
but it Creating I mean me and you are now good.
27:38
This is gonna be the clutter cast like every
27:42
The thing that they add to the game recently
27:44
is just like a lot of stuff. It's a lot of like,
27:49
did people complain about Dorman when Dorman
27:51
first came out? Like, oh, it's going to add so
27:53
much clutter to the game. I don't know. I don't
27:57
know. I mean, it's just reaching a level now
27:58
that that's I don't remember any of that dialogue
28:00
really happening. I think people kind of talked
28:02
about it a little bit because it is it was just
28:04
like more stuff. But like because back then,
28:07
you remember when Old God's New Blood came out,
28:09
it was all about AOE slop, right? And I think
28:12
that this is just an extension of that. I think
28:14
AOE Slab is still like a real problem because
28:16
it's just so much in regular MOBA. That's like
28:20
a, you know, top down experience. You can see
28:23
what's on the ground and move around, even though
28:25
there's shit everywhere in this game. They really
28:27
do have to, I think, go back and look at everything
28:29
and say, how do we make this stuff under like
28:32
readable? But also, you know, in a way that like
28:35
we can understand what's happening, where we're
28:37
going, what are we doing, what's hitting what
28:39
thing and still make it look cool. That is their
28:42
challenge, right? I think that they can do it.
28:44
They seem like very talented people. And they're,
28:47
but I also think that with this stuff, like they're
28:49
clearly in a place where they're making stuff,
28:52
like they're putting stuff out and then they're
28:53
going to go back later. And I think they'll do
28:55
the fixing later, you know, if I had to imagine.
28:58
Yeah. And I think that that's a good idea, honestly,
29:00
because how many times I've worked somewhere
29:03
and you have this like great idea, this creative
29:06
idea and you're like, oh, you know, we can actually
29:09
do it this way. and someone above you goes, what
29:12
are you crazy? That will never work. And you're
29:14
like, you won't even try it. It's like, no, we
29:17
won't even try it. That would just literally
29:18
never work. And it would be such a headache.
29:20
And it's like, well, if it worked, if the paintbrush
29:24
works, if the door works, think of how fucking
29:29
cool it would be. let's try to balance it after
29:32
the fact. It's like, I do think that's a better
29:34
approach, right? Is to throw everything at the
29:36
wall, see what sticks. You're going back to you're
29:39
like remembering when you worked at a pizza place
29:40
and you're like, pizza shoes. Come on, boss,
29:43
we got to try pizza shoes. Believe in me. He's
29:47
like, what the fuck is wrong with you? And that
29:49
has just stayed with you forever. You put croutons
29:52
on the pizza. Yeah, it's called a pizza crunch.
29:55
The laces can be anchovies and the rivets can
29:58
be olives. Calzones for your feet. They're nice
30:01
and warm and easy on the street Calzones for
30:05
your feet is actually a good idea. How zones
30:07
for your feet? That's by the way, I know that
30:11
technically Rat King is like a has a rat with
30:15
a pizza in its mouth as like one of the things
30:17
in the art or whatever But they need to get this
30:19
pizza character in the game. Like what the fuck
30:21
are they doing? Come on, dude Yes a pizza delivery
30:23
man or or even like I'm picturing sort of a chef
30:27
boyardee or like a Yes. Yes. You know what I
30:32
mean? Like he's a plump, happy pizza man. He's
30:37
not an Italian stereotype. He could be Greek.
30:41
He could be anything. OK. You're like, how do
30:45
we maximize the amount in which he's a stereotype?
30:48
Yeah. But no, like there's like that is a classic
30:51
like a baker or like, yeah, like a like a chef
30:55
or something from that period of time. I also
30:57
think like there's like a whole bunch of I mean,
30:59
so many. clearly so many opportunities for them
31:02
to make like iconic characters from this period
31:04
of time and all that stuff. Like I think that
31:07
they have a lot of flexibility for the future
31:09
roster of characters. I have no doubt. We'll
31:11
see all that stuff. But yes, it is hard when
31:14
you get like I my real just to like close my
31:17
thoughts out on like the violet conversation
31:19
design wise and all that stuff and and kit all
31:22
that stuff is that I think the kit is really
31:25
cool. I do think that the one is like they'll
31:27
have to figure out where the line is. with like
31:30
what it can and can't do but I think the kid
31:32
is really cool I think that the character doesn't
31:34
feel like it lives up to the kit in a way because
31:36
you're like this is magical character that can
31:38
bring like paintings and art to life and then
31:40
they're kind of just like a stereotypical artist
31:42
you know I mean there's like a big paintbrush
31:43
and a smock and a beret and and then I'm over
31:46
here being like I want a guy who's like a chef
31:49
and he throws out meatballs but at the same time
31:51
I want him to be like deadlock coated Right.
31:54
I don't want to I don't want them to rip Chef
31:56
Boyardee off the can and he throws cans that
31:59
follow you home or whatever. Oh, not that. And
32:04
like like I want it to be like it's still I want
32:07
to go through the filter of being like, oh, yeah,
32:09
this makes sense to bring Chef Boyardee into
32:12
deadlock. What do you think if it was just Abrams,
32:15
but he's now wearing a fake mustache and he's
32:18
a chef and he's sort of a chef hat on. Yeah,
32:20
then that would just be a skin for Abrams. I'm
32:22
pretty sure a shift priority collab I'm okay
32:26
with it. By the way looking at this violet Character
32:30
here. I've come back around. I actually like
32:32
this character I think the design is good and
32:34
I like the colors and so now I'm a fan I've activated
32:41
the button on my console that says contradict
32:44
That might be what's happened. Yes, but uh, I
32:49
do like the characters the I'm not an artist,
32:52
so I'll just say the blues and the reds, the
32:55
reds, the blues, the, uh, poiple. You know, they're
33:02
all good. Um, is it red and blue together make
33:05
purple? Right? Yes. Yeah. All right. You said
33:08
that there was a little bit of animosity. I heard.
33:13
Yes, right. Yes. The reds and the blues make
33:16
purples. The art school debt I have to answer
33:19
your questions about secondary colors and primary
33:22
color. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I will say
33:26
character is very annoying to play against. Like,
33:30
they just have infinite movement. They're always
33:33
putting shit behind me, shit in front of me.
33:35
I have to use a heavy melee. It's like, you know,
33:38
I don't know, something about playing against
33:40
Solomon. I'm like, you know what? This person
33:44
is kind of working their ass off a little bit
33:46
to hit me with all these pawns and their positioning
33:48
has to be good and blah, blah, blah. With with
33:51
Violet, it does feel like it's like go in, throw
33:54
up a bunch of shit, press a button that makes
33:57
a giant circle of added damage. I can't leave
34:00
it. I can't stay in it. It's just like, you know,
34:04
there's a lot of talk right now about the AOE
34:06
slop of all of the the ultimates right now that
34:09
are added. Many of them, at least, are just like
34:12
Nurse Harrow pushes you away from the rift. Violet
34:17
makes it so that if you're in the rift, you're
34:19
dead and you can't leave the rift or else you're
34:21
silenced and you will likely die. You can't go
34:24
to the rift if Rat King's there because everyone
34:28
will kill you to death. You can't go if Solomon's
34:33
there because you'll get a fucking queen on your
34:35
head and then you can't move anywhere with 700
34:37
pawns. Like, it's a lot of stuff. You don't have
34:42
to do a lot of tuning, I think. That that that's
34:45
that's their next task. But like the, you know,
34:48
the new season of rank will come out next month
34:50
and then they'll hopefully have time to maybe
34:52
start looking at, you know, who knows what's
34:55
going on with the old characters and then whatever
34:57
else they have on the roster. But they'll have
34:58
to tune, I think, some of these things, because
35:00
right now, like it feels like just we were talking
35:02
about last time, like with the kid creep and
35:04
all that stuff. But just the capacity that these
35:08
characters have and it's not just them, but like
35:09
there's more characters on the roster than ever
35:11
before that can do the insane shit. which is
35:15
cool, but also like, I think they're gonna have
35:16
to pull it back in some ways. Yeah, I mean, for
35:20
me, much like a man who is overwhelmed with the
35:23
news every day, I've just gone back to like an
35:26
old sitcom that just, you know, feels good, right?
35:30
It's like, I'm just playing Venator every day.
35:33
Every day I open up the game and I'm like, I
35:35
just wanna shoot him. I just wanna put a trap
35:38
out. I just, you know, the... The fire saves
35:43
more than it burns. Like I'm just back to like
35:46
a very simple character who plays the game in
35:49
a way that is readable to me. Yeah. By the way,
35:52
one of the things I noticed about these new characters
35:54
is that only one of them I played all of them
35:57
now. And it's not to say this is true of the
36:00
entire roster. There are some guns that feel
36:02
really good. And there are some guns and like,
36:05
you know, left click attacks that feel like they're
36:08
OK. And on this roster of characters, the only
36:11
one that I feel like feels good is Rat King and
36:12
maybe Baba a little bit with like the weird like
36:14
spirit kind of like, uh, spread shot. The other
36:18
characters to me, they're fine. Like I don't
36:20
think they're bad, but they very much are just
36:21
like hold left click and the character is like
36:23
bazoo, da, da, da, just shooting at like little
36:27
bursts of whatever. And I, I'm surprised that
36:31
Like three to four of the characters out of the
36:33
entire six like literally just don't do anything,
36:35
you know We were joking about what kind of gun
36:37
Baba would have like what she is gonna pull out
36:38
like an Uzi or something. Yeah Every single one
36:42
of these characters is just like I just shoot
36:43
energy out of my fingers And I feel like that
36:45
is something that I kind of was bummed out by
36:47
a little I want Violet to I understand violence
36:50
like splattering pain or whatever But I kind
36:53
of wanted violet to like be like I'm gonna draw
36:55
myself a like a weird paint Construct to use
36:58
as a weapon or something, right? Yeah, I think
37:02
that it's a lot of just slow fire rate, not even
37:08
that high damage, like single projectiles that
37:12
move through the air, like slower or faster,
37:14
whatever. I mean, Solomon, his gun is okay. He's
37:20
very like Zenyatta feeling. Yeah. And then from
37:23
Overwatch 2, I don't know, Harrow's gun, I don't...
37:27
love, it's fine, it's whatever. A lot of these
37:29
characters do their guns don't do that much damage.
37:32
Like if you look at Baba, she's not doing a ton
37:34
of damage, but she's getting like spirit scaling
37:36
on it. Right. And then I think that's similar
37:39
for Solomon. And I'm not sure about Violet, but
37:43
Violet doesn't need gun damage. Violet just adds
37:45
the paint to everything and she just fucking
37:47
crushes people. I mean, with items and stuff
37:50
like that, you can increase the gun damage on
37:52
almost any character. And obviously some of them
37:53
skill differently and have their own thing going
37:55
on. But Like I, like I, it's just to me, it's
37:59
just the feeling, right? Like even though I like
38:01
your tarot, I think that the gun to me feels
38:04
very like it's just kind of like. And it's not
38:09
that interesting. Also, it's confusing because
38:11
it's like a gun syringe. But then like it's not.
38:14
I'm like, what is it shooting? It's shooting
38:15
like energy bullets or something. There's some
38:17
of the stuff like visually in the feeling of
38:19
it. It doesn't hit the same way as when you play
38:21
like I know that, you know, obviously you and
38:23
me have might have different feelings about the.
38:25
characters and their guns and stuff, but like
38:27
paradox or any of the characters like full auto
38:30
or like Abrams and some of these guns that are
38:32
like they feel like, yeah, it makes sense. Abrams
38:34
shoots a giant revolver that has like slowly,
38:37
you know, like a what is it called? Like shotgun,
38:41
shotgun shells. Yeah. Yeah. Buckshot. That's
38:43
what I was thinking. It has like like a spread
38:44
to it. Like and it feels like it's a good dude.
38:47
Good dude. Good dude. I think that that stuff
38:49
feels really cool. And I think that I. It's not
38:53
that I'm going to be like, oh, if they add another
38:55
character that shoots energy out of their fingers,
38:57
I'm quitting. But like, I don't know. I mean,
39:00
I want the next group of characters to be like,
39:03
here's a guy who's a Newsy, but he has a Newsy,
39:06
right? Like, yeah. Newsy with a Newsy, by the
39:08
way, but trademark. Get on it! Get on it! Make
39:12
it! Some mods! Go! Yeah, he's like, he's like,
39:18
re -all about it! Or else! By the way. has to
39:23
be a character. Like, like, well, hopefully we
39:25
can come back to this and clip it when it comes
39:27
out. But like, yeah, yeah. A hundred percent
39:29
giant hat, a huge newspaper that he holds up.
39:33
And then he like even funny, he has the bag,
39:35
he throws the newspapers out, but then he just
39:37
pulls the gat out of the the gun out of the newspaper
39:40
bag. Go, go, go, go, go, go, go. Throw a bunch
39:43
of newspapers up in the air to like create like
39:45
a smoke cloud or something to get away. Listen,
39:48
you're the artist. Draw it. Set it up. That would
39:51
imply that I have time. I'm also a dad, by the
39:53
way. Could not be a worse combination. You want
39:56
to talk about poor kit design. Being an artist
40:00
and someone who's a creative, but then also having
40:02
children and having to like be like, okay, I
40:04
only do art after all of the children go to bed.
40:06
I've made dinner and cleaned up everything and
40:08
driven them to and from school and every place
40:10
that they go. And also I like playing deadlock
40:12
and play deadlock. Also I make a podcast and
40:15
then also I'm going to draw. Okay. Yeah, sure.
40:19
And you still do. Who designed this guy? It doesn't
40:23
make any sense. He doesn't get any sleep. That's
40:26
the drawback. We were talking about the kits
40:32
that have positives and negatives. I want to
40:37
just launch into what a dad character would look
40:40
like in the game. I wonder which characters are
40:43
dads? This is what I said. I think we have an
40:49
episode zero that no one has listened to because
40:51
it was we were still like getting the recording
40:53
set it out. But I'm pretty sure I said something
40:55
along the lines of is Grey Talon still a dad
40:57
if his family has been murdered? Yeah. Obviously,
41:02
yes, you're once a dad, always a dad. But yes,
41:05
so Grey Talon. And then I think there's at least
41:08
a couple other that you can hear in their voice
41:10
lines have like family of some kind. But there's
41:13
not a lot of not a lot of talk about children.
41:15
I'm surprised we haven't gotten the character,
41:17
you know, in every show, anime, video game. There's
41:21
always that strong, silent guardian with the
41:24
small child character. Sure. Yeah. We don't have
41:27
that yet, I don't think. I could be wrong. Tell
41:28
me if we're wrong, but I don't think we have
41:30
that yet. I could. You could probably say that
41:35
Abrams, if he looks at the book like a child,
41:38
then that's kind of what we're going on there.
41:40
But what about do you feel like Grey Talon's
41:44
owl? Is there sort of parental? I wouldn't know
41:48
on that one. Right. I mean, we have a little
41:52
bit of that trope with Moe and Krill, I think.
41:57
It's not a child. Yeah, I don't. I'm also Krill
42:00
arguably is the one who is in charge. So I think
42:04
it's a little backwards on that. But that's what
42:06
Krill wants you to think. That's what Krill wants.
42:08
Lore wise. And certainly for the fans, it's it's
42:11
Hayes and Rem. That is the the. silent guardian
42:15
and impetuous child duo. Much like me and you,
42:21
me being the smaller of the both of us in height.
42:26
The big one wants you to think he's in charge,
42:29
but like Moe and Krill, it's the little guys
42:31
who's calling the shots. Sure. The loud, small
42:35
person on the back, the loud, small, hairy monkey
42:38
man on the back. I do the talking. He does the
42:41
digging. We tried it the other way. And then
42:43
we had six. I don't know. Oh God. I forget the
42:46
line. Clearly. Yes. By the way, I know that probably
42:50
exists somewhere. Rule 34 or something like that.
42:52
I don't need to see that. So don't send. Please
42:54
no. And this is a great opportunity to bring
42:56
up that if you enjoy Deadlock, feel free to follow
42:59
us. We're on YouTube and all the platforms you
43:01
are listening to us right now. But we also have
43:03
a Discord if you didn't know that. And it has
43:06
a growing number of people and you can come harass
43:08
us and post. maybe not rule 34 stuff, but it's
43:12
certainly your weird original art of Moe and
43:17
Krill in Passion and Brace. Yarn's excited for
43:21
that, obviously. You've really left the door
43:23
open for us. For images that you may or may not
43:29
want to see. I know our fandom. Fact, fact. Transition.
43:35
Go. Transition. Yeah, well, so, okay, real quick.
43:39
So we talked about, we talked about Violet and
43:42
Nurse Hero. But just a couple last things like,
43:45
you know, I think Violet's kids with like the
43:49
movement and stuff like that is cool. I think
43:51
that all these characters that have come out
43:52
are cool. And I want to say that Nurse Hero having
43:56
fear with a giant like Fiddlesticks type alt
43:58
is sick as fuck. Fiddlesticks, by the way, if
44:02
you guys don't know, is a character from a video
44:04
game called League of Lojans or. All right. League
44:10
of Paul Logan. The League of Paul, the League
44:13
of Logan Brothers. Oh, yeah. Fiddlesticks is
44:17
like a scarecrow. He comes out of a bush and
44:19
he scares you and everyone runs away and gets
44:20
damaged and it gets feared or whatever. And it's
44:22
great. It's a it's basically the same thing except
44:25
for she flies in the air and looks cool. And
44:26
it's definitely a very powerful thing. But I
44:31
also like I always like fear status effects in
44:35
these games because. They are very tactical,
44:38
right? Stunning is, you know, oh yeah, it's always
44:41
good to just stun someone when they're about
44:42
to do something. But the fearing is like if you
44:45
get it just right, same thing with like Rift,
44:47
it's like everyone runs off of Rift and you win.
44:49
Everyone runs away from mid boss and you win.
44:51
Everyone runs away from defending their towers,
44:52
right? Or you get behind them and push them into
44:55
your own tower. Like there's so much play potential
44:57
there. And countdown until we get a character
45:02
whose ult is making them walk toward them, because
45:04
that always happens, right? We played a game
45:07
where I was in one of the steam vents and I jumped
45:09
out of the steam vent and ulted and it felt so
45:11
good. Yeah, it sucks. I feel it feels bad to
45:16
get hit with it, but it doesn't feel like so
45:19
bad that I'm like, what the fuck? However, I
45:22
think that it is good that it only takes up like
45:25
it's not a circle. It's 180 degrees. So I think
45:29
that there is some counterplay, at least to be
45:30
like, OK, before it takes effect, I can get on
45:32
the other side of the rift. Yes. And you can
45:35
face away. You can go in the opposite direction.
45:38
And it's only if you look at her. Yeah. If you
45:40
look at her, I think you take more damage and
45:42
you get maybe it's the same damage, but you get
45:45
the fear doesn't. It's called avert your eye.
45:47
The status effect is called avert your eyes.
45:49
So if you hide behind something and break line
45:51
of sight or you face away, you don't get feared,
45:54
which I think is sick because that gives you
45:56
counterplay. But also it like it just create
45:59
the more nuance and the more complicated all
46:00
stuff gets to me, the more interesting and fun
46:03
and the more expression it has. So I think that
46:05
that is Certainly one of the cooler parts about
46:09
these two kits that have come out. By the way,
46:13
not even Verner's Harrow, but just like adding
46:15
fear into the, like a fear mechanic into the
46:16
game. Yeah. I'm a little bit upset that we won't
46:20
now get that same alt on an eventual and obligatory
46:25
Medusa type character. Well, Medusa would turn
46:28
you to like stunned when fear you. It would do
46:31
what Viper does. Point, counterpoint. Also, Viper's
46:35
ult. That's what you're talking about. But to
46:36
be fair, it's like a bolo that you throw out,
46:38
but yeah. I was going to say, or... Well, we
46:42
can create a Medusa character another day. And
46:45
then change the whole game, and then we get rid
46:48
of all the old characters. Let's just be a League
46:50
of Legends podcast from now on. There is a character
46:53
called Cassiopeia, and her ult is similar to
46:57
what you're talking about. Her ult is if you're
46:59
looking at her... The characters are looking
47:01
at her. Should they get turned into stone? I
47:04
can't I'm pretty sure if you're looking away
47:05
if you're running away, but Japanese jazz rock
47:10
fusion band called Cassiopeia and even more old
47:14
Stars in the sky there's a Where are you going
47:21
with this but I'm glad yes, that's right the
47:23
universe also very old the beginning Cassiopeia
47:26
and before that infinite darkness Welcome to
47:30
Dadluck, the home of two old men rambling. Never.
47:36
What are we playing? So just in terms of like
47:41
all these characters are out now, the map's out.
47:43
They've made some changes and done some things
47:45
and whatever. What do you, how do you feel? About
47:50
the map now, a couple, how many, how long ago
47:54
was it? Like two weeks? It feels like a thousand
47:56
years. It literally feels like I don't even remember
47:58
what the other map looked like at this point
48:00
I see guides and like videos from like uh, oh
48:05
Macro for dad for idiots. So whatever for deadlock
48:08
and it's like There's weird nostalgia for the
48:12
old map, but there's also like it kind of does
48:14
look just like Construction paper everywhere.
48:17
You know, I mean It literally looks like a fucking
48:21
diorama somebody put together but I think I'm
48:25
liking it more and more. I think I'm having less
48:27
issues because so much of it is just the idiosyncrasies
48:31
of, oh, I can't walk there. Oh, there's a fucking
48:35
light here for some reason that I get caught
48:37
on. Don't do that again. You know, I usually
48:40
don't die more than twice in the same, like,
48:43
superfluous piece of map geometry. I still think
48:48
they need to clean it up a little bit, but they
48:50
are obviously. they've done so many changes and
48:53
things like that. And they even now they added
48:55
a they made the diner more fleshed out, which
48:59
is more of a visual thing. But as anything with
49:01
the pharmacy, they they kind of did some stuff
49:02
in the pharmacy. But the I think that they're
49:06
not shy to go back and say, take this pipe off,
49:09
move this light or whatever. Like, I think that
49:11
that they're still for high level play. There's
49:15
movement paths where I'm like, this just shouldn't.
49:17
be in the way, right? There's like a wall there
49:19
where there's no reason to be a wall. And it
49:21
doesn't that wall being there, there's no good
49:23
reason for it. It's not like, oh, I get more
49:26
ability to hide or the team fights more interesting
49:28
around this wall. It's just stuff that I think
49:29
that they could, if they are so inclined, could
49:32
just smooth that stuff out and take it out and
49:35
then be like, let's really optimize, like rewarding
49:38
people who have good movement and can, you know,
49:40
know the flow of the map and all that stuff.
49:42
Yeah. But I mean, there's a little. I've probably
49:45
mentioned this three episodes in a row, but like
49:48
walking from blue to green on that little center
49:51
pathway, whatever that people are calling that.
49:54
I don't know. There is a set of two like they
50:00
kind of look like stone lights or maybe like
50:02
lanterns or I don't even know what color they
50:04
are. But it's like, why the fuck are these here?
50:06
And they're not just like a piece. It's not just
50:09
a rectangle that like Juts out from the wall.
50:13
It's far enough out that it has a catch. Yeah.
50:16
So you have to walk. It's I mean, that thing
50:18
has killed me twice easily. Horrible. I hate
50:23
that. Like, and I wonder if maybe that's something
50:25
in MOBA is where it's like, oh, no, this is here.
50:27
This is just a knowledge check. People will get
50:30
caught in this, right? No, because no other game
50:33
like this has done as detailed of an environment
50:36
and also has been like third person. Like all
50:38
those other games are the like, especially the
50:41
the top down stuff, League, Dota, all that stuff
50:43
there. You're right clicking and there's no movement
50:46
tech outside of like using your abilities to
50:48
share, you know, like for anyone who shout out
50:51
to our fellow MOBA people who play League of
50:56
Legends and all that stuff. Orb walking is like
50:58
a thing where you're like it's doing something
50:59
with your mouse and attacking at the same time.
51:01
So you attack as you move forward. That is the
51:03
closest you get besides like, oh, I'm going to
51:05
dash through a wall or something in this. And
51:08
even smite and all that stuff, there's less stuff
51:10
in the way, right? They're trying to they're
51:13
being very ambitious. The game, obviously, is
51:16
going to change a bunch. And I think that I'm
51:18
curious to see. It's not just what I think, you
51:21
know, like, obviously, we're recording and talking
51:22
and we, you know, we love this game enough to
51:24
like chat about it every week for an hour and
51:27
then some and then play a whole bunch of it.
51:29
I think that I want to know what other people
51:32
think and want to see what they do based off
51:34
of that, because I think that there's some expression
51:39
that was lost with the new map and there will
51:41
be a new expression that comes back. But there
51:43
was something about the fun, insane, flowy nature
51:47
of the previous map that felt like you could
51:49
just fly. If you did it just right, you're like,
51:52
you know, slide, jump, dash, get on the pad,
51:55
go flying, like catch a corner, like go, you
51:57
know, like all these little things you can do.
52:00
And you weren't getting caught on random stuff
52:03
and like hitting random, turning a corner and
52:05
hitting a random wall that Or like hitting the
52:08
top of a ceiling that's just lower than the other
52:09
part of the ceiling or something like that. Right.
52:12
Which I think that they'll just clean up that
52:14
stuff, I have to imagine. Or they'll just say,
52:16
you know, that's part of the new skill expression
52:17
deal with it or whatever. I think that that's
52:21
true. Things can be shaved down a little bit.
52:24
I also I am finding that I enjoy the baffles
52:30
or little like apple bat things, the little health.
52:35
It's like 25 health, I think, but I like that
52:38
they're placed in these spots where it's like,
52:40
oh, I could really only get there if I had known
52:43
it was there and wanted to specifically like,
52:47
you know, wall jump at the right moment to get
52:49
what I mean. And 25 health isn't that much except
52:52
for in laning phase where it's like, oh, shit,
52:55
this is actually like a consequential amount
52:57
of health in the first like four waves or so.
53:00
Right. Yeah, it's good. It's like it's like great
53:04
dude. Fuck. Yeah, just randomly can help But
53:07
I like that that stuff's there because it does
53:09
reward knowing the map it rewards little movement
53:14
tech I like that they are going in the direction
53:17
of adding more depth and not in the direction
53:20
of like oh Just make it simpler make everything
53:23
simpler That's what I'm saying. Just you build
53:27
up you put a bunch of shit on the sandcastle
53:28
and then you start shaving pieces away You know
53:30
what I mean? You're or you're like when you're
53:32
sculpting something, you put up, you get a big
53:33
giant hunk or whatever, and then you put the
53:36
definition and shape into it. Right. And I think
53:38
that's what they're doing. They're they're putting
53:39
on all the extra shit they're painting, you know,
53:41
and they're going to go away and they're going
53:42
to chip off and clean up and add bits here and
53:44
there and smooth things out like they've, you
53:48
know, in one of the interviews they did recently,
53:49
they were like, we're still really far away from
53:51
finishing the game. We have lots of stuff we
53:52
want to do, which, you know, I have I go two
53:55
ways about because I'm kind of like there are
53:56
like quality of life things that I wish could
53:58
be different sooner. And I'm sure everyone has
54:01
them. And then there are character changes where
54:03
I'm like, these need to be fixed immediately.
54:05
And they usually do a pretty good job of fixing
54:09
the emergency issues and like identifying and
54:12
understanding that they're happening. I think
54:14
that what I want to know is like I almost wish
54:16
there was like a roadmap of some kind to just
54:17
like my expectations on because then I would
54:20
just my whole context on everything that I feel
54:22
about this game would change. Right. Like I.
54:24
Yeah. We talked about this the other day. But
54:27
you see this criticism a lot of people who it'll
54:30
be like you're online, you're saying something,
54:32
someone else is saying something about the game
54:33
being like, oh, I wish that they did this or
54:35
I don't love this thing that they did or I don't
54:37
like the you know, I'm disappointed by Violet.
54:39
And the response from some people is like, oh,
54:41
it's an alpha. Like, shut up. Yeah, the game's
54:45
not even out yet. You get to play for free. Just
54:47
be quiet. And it's like. When I said to you yesterday,
54:50
I was like, OK, well, if that's true, then we
54:52
should all just shut up and never talk about
54:53
Deadlock ever unless it's just like, oh, my God,
54:55
I'm so happy and thank you, Val, for so much
54:57
for letting me play. Yeah. And like the truth
54:59
of the matter is they want our feedback. Like,
55:02
that's the point. Yeah. So like, it's insane
55:04
to say to people, shut up, bro. It's an alpha.
55:06
It's like, no, that's the opposite reaction that
55:09
I can't imagine them being like, hey, here's
55:11
a everybody play test. That's not be quiet unless
55:13
it's something nice. They don't want to fucking
55:14
hear that shit. They wanted to hear what people
55:16
have to say about the game. No, I mean, that's
55:19
why they added that little piece of information
55:22
and saying, hey, we are going to update the character
55:26
models. We didn't do it. We know you wanted it.
55:28
We are going to do it. Like, you know, I think
55:31
that they've communicated maybe not as often
55:35
as people would like, but they have communicated
55:37
to people's worries about the bigger aspects.
55:40
Yeah, the concerns about the bigger aspects of
55:42
the game. And I also would say to anyone that
55:46
is like, shut up. It's an alpha. It's like, um,
55:51
it is a live service game with 200 ,000 people
55:54
on it every night. Like it's, I mean, maybe that
55:58
number will dwindle. I don't see it dwindling
56:00
to the lows that it was at before. I mean, this
56:04
is a live service game. Yes, it's not done, but
56:07
it's, it's more done than plenty of games. You
56:10
know what I mean? And it feels more and more
56:12
like it's a game that you would play on a regular
56:14
basis, you know? It's a week. I'm surprised you
56:18
heard that. I like literally turned all the way
56:22
around and tried to do as quite as possible.
56:25
The while we're doing this, actually, can I go
56:26
take a piss? Sure. All right. I have to take
56:30
a piss. Just leave it. Just leave it recording.
56:32
All right. I'll be back. What yarn doesn't know
56:36
is that I have all his piss and he'll be nothing,
56:42
be nothing and then go, where's my piss? And
56:44
it's I have it. I have the piss. Let's uh, what
56:49
by the way, well, I have you dear listener to
56:51
myself Let's discuss. What does rat king smell
56:54
like who are the best and the least? Smelling
56:59
care not least who are the who are the the nicest
57:01
smelling characters and who are the least nicest
57:03
smelling characters discuss I'm gonna go dad
57:07
lock or a Dad lock we're smelling character in
57:10
deadlock. No a rat king. We're smelling obviously
57:14
I think in furnace Does he smell like fire and
57:19
booze? Probably. I don't know if that's bad,
57:21
though. I think that might be a good thing, actually.
57:23
I like the smell of fires. All right, he's back,
57:25
everybody. Just be quiet and pretend like we
57:27
didn't talk about anything. Yep. Worst smelling
57:31
character in Deadlock. Go. Worst smelling character.
57:35
I mean, my initial thought is just Drifter, right?
57:41
But also I could be sold on Viscous. So I immediately
57:47
said Rat King. Oh, yeah, that's probably true.
57:51
That's probably true. Biscuits probably smells
57:53
like soap. That's my soap or like glue. But what
57:59
if he's made of green diarrhea? OK, that's not
58:04
in the lore. And I feel like people would be
58:06
mentioning it. I feel like the other characters
58:08
would be like, oh, my God. He's like, I'm going
58:11
to cover you in goo. And people are like, no.
58:14
He definitely just. Yeah, you're right. He smells
58:16
like lube. Probably. I'm going to cover you in
58:19
lube. What if we just went total left field and
58:22
went like Lady Geist smells? I can tell also
58:31
rude, but yeah, not my beautiful green older
58:37
woman No, I think I mean moan krill Mo feels
58:44
like mo has to smell bad. And then I'm just digging
58:47
in the dirt like stinky beast And then, you know,
58:52
probably Victor. Victor probably smells terrible.
58:55
I mean, Victor is a bunch of corpses. Yeah, can't
58:58
smell good. I think that Drifter is just like
59:01
a guy living on the street who kills people a
59:04
lot with his bare hands. Like he's got blood
59:06
all over his hands all the time. I think the
59:08
reason why the Drifter is excused from this is
59:11
because he is, vampires are technically dead.
59:15
So he probably doesn't sweat or shit. or piss
59:19
his pants at all, like a normal homeless person
59:20
would. He could piss his pants because he's drinking
59:23
blood. Yeah, but he doesn't... Do vampires pee
59:26
the... Let's get... This is a totally different
59:30
podcast conversation for a different podcast,
59:32
but do vampires pee? And what does it look like?
59:36
Yeah, please discuss in the comments. It's got
59:38
enough hemoglobin that other vampires can actually...
59:42
If one vampire was like, I won't kill, I won't
59:45
do it, they can actually drink another vampire's
59:47
piss. as a way to sustain themselves. Welcome
59:50
to pisslock. But which, by the way, we're not
59:54
everybody reminders. TF2 had a character that
59:58
literally threw a jar full of piss. That's true.
1:00:01
As some of you might be listening going, these
1:00:03
guys are being so gross. They're talking about
1:00:05
pee. But by the way, a beloved character. I know
1:00:08
piss. But first of all, peeing is the natural
1:00:11
human. I said this to all my children. Peeing
1:00:13
is a natural human function. Peeing and pooping,
1:00:16
everyone poops, everyone pees. Drinking piss
1:00:19
is a way to sustain yourself just like eating
1:00:21
food. That's what I always tell my kids. And
1:00:25
also TF2, Valve has done this before. They are
1:00:28
not without their own feelings about incorporating
1:00:31
pee into their games. Listen, I think that the
1:00:35
cast of Deadlock is much more progressive than
1:00:37
the cast of TF2. The times have changed and I'm
1:00:42
happy they've changed. Add some piss to the game,
1:00:45
guys. Add some piss. Add some piss. You know
1:00:49
what we need? Hey, guys, new update. Old shit,
1:00:52
new piss. Old shit, new piss. Like the we all
1:00:56
we all know anybody who's ever been to a major
1:00:58
city in New York included just reeks of piss
1:01:01
and garbage. Yeah, like that's what the cursed
1:01:03
apple smells like that. And then like a frankincense
1:01:06
or something and myrrh or whatever. But as on
1:01:10
a like side note, I I'm wondering, because I
1:01:13
was thinking about this, you were talking about,
1:01:15
I was talking about TF2, we were talking about
1:01:16
piss. Got me thinking about it. Can I put one
1:01:19
more coin in the character that smells like shit
1:01:23
purse? Yes. Sleeper pick for really terrible
1:01:28
smelling character, Billy. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1:01:32
First off, yeah, I was going to say, not only
1:01:34
is he literally got a goat head, which is its
1:01:38
own stinky problem. Also, if anyone has ever
1:01:41
known punks, oftentimes they have this kind of
1:01:44
like anti establishment. I don't wear deodorant,
1:01:47
but also I work for like a moving company or
1:01:50
something. Never take a shower. Never wash their
1:01:52
clothes. Never take a shower. Stink like shit.
1:01:55
Their jeans are rigid and not from like starch.
1:01:59
Yeah, literally. It's from like wiping boogies
1:02:01
on them. The by the way solid pick that's a sleeper
1:02:08
contender for sure. Yeah. Well, you know what?
1:02:09
We'll go out of our way and we'll put together
1:02:11
a Bracket and put in the discord. We'll vote
1:02:14
on who's the stinkiest characters. Yes, please
1:02:16
And and and then we'll alternatively do nicest
1:02:19
smelling which I'm sure will be totally problematic
1:02:20
100 % Maybe we won't do nicest smelling. I don't
1:02:25
know. Yeah, maybe we The the other thing I was
1:02:30
gonna say is because we were talking about the
1:02:31
jar of piss from the Jarate, Jarate, right, is
1:02:34
the name of that move. But I was just remembering
1:02:37
that in this game, they name all the weapons,
1:02:40
right. And they had that screen where you can
1:02:42
see like the model of weapons named and it has
1:02:44
like the little by like the little like lower
1:02:46
line on it. Yep. We've talked before probably
1:02:50
offline about would they, you know, it feels
1:02:53
like, yeah, they'll do weapon skins or something,
1:02:55
maybe. But also in TF2, they have different weapons
1:03:00
that do different things. And that's a whole
1:03:03
other thing that changes how the character plays.
1:03:05
Oh, yeah. I don't know if they'll ever do that,
1:03:07
but they've certainly left the door open. And
1:03:08
I could see that being such a cool, weird way
1:03:12
to change these characters without adding like
1:03:14
a whole being like a nurse. Harrow has like this
1:03:16
like different gun that when you, you know, give
1:03:19
it to nurse Harrow, the whole kit is like slightly
1:03:21
different or the look is different or something.
1:03:25
I think that is a very cool thing that they have
1:03:27
done before. Right. Yes, I think that. likely
1:03:31
whatever they do in terms of cosmetics and changing
1:03:39
things like I think it's going to be more interesting
1:03:44
than things we've seen before in Overwatch League
1:03:48
Dota and you know Valorant and like I bet you
1:03:55
there is going to be a second layer of like change
1:03:59
these characters incrementally, but not in a
1:04:02
way that is like completely changing the whole
1:04:04
character. Yeah, I would hope. And I bet I think,
1:04:09
yeah, I think it'll be if they ever do anything
1:04:10
like that. I mean, in Overwatch, they added in
1:04:13
like the passive stuff that you could do. And
1:04:15
then in League of Legends, they've gone through
1:04:17
many iterations and other games. They have this
1:04:19
to where it's like, here's your rune page or
1:04:21
your keystones and all that stuff. Yeah. Are
1:04:23
your passives that you can put into a tree and
1:04:25
all that? I think they could do that. They could
1:04:29
do like branching paths for the the abilities
1:04:32
kind of similar to like what overwatch did and
1:04:34
they could do what they did for TF2 which is
1:04:37
here's different weapons that change how you
1:04:38
play obviously I think they're you know, they
1:04:41
seem like they have great ambitions for the future
1:04:43
of the game I think that like that stuff to me
1:04:46
that can wait but I would be really fascinated
1:04:49
to learn and see what they if anything end up
1:04:51
doing or if they just keep it purely aesthetic
1:04:53
to like, you know maximize the ability to get
1:04:57
into the game and play it without it being too
1:04:59
complicated. But, you know, like and also for
1:05:01
like e -sports stuff, I think sometimes the simpler
1:05:03
things are and the less, you know, slop that
1:05:06
you put into it, the more likelihood you're going
1:05:08
to have like a true e -sport on your hands. Yeah,
1:05:13
I wonder. And all of this stuff could just go
1:05:16
to different game modes, too. Like you could
1:05:17
have a TF2, change your gun, change your hat
1:05:21
mode or so. I mean, who knows that might split
1:05:23
the player base too much, depending on what the
1:05:25
size of the player base ends up being. But. That's
1:05:28
pretty cool. I mean, I would love to have I would
1:05:30
love to have Abrams instead of a giant Spreadshot
1:05:34
pistol. He just gets a frying pan It's a bone
1:05:40
saw for nurse era and then she's a melee character
1:05:43
The um, do you is there anything else you want
1:05:45
to talk about with the meta or anything like
1:05:47
that? Um, I think for me so we're sort of like
1:05:50
a low to mid elo Focused podcast. I think that
1:05:55
I just wanted to say that for people who are
1:05:59
playing, if you're not winning, if you're getting
1:06:02
frustrated, take it less seriously. Just because
1:06:06
I have gone through like real frustrations of
1:06:09
being like, oh my God, I suck at this game. Am
1:06:11
I ever going to get any better? I think that
1:06:13
progress in any especially competitive environment,
1:06:17
it's like you really go through valleys and troughs
1:06:21
like that. You're not going to just. get better
1:06:24
consistently. You get better and then you have
1:06:25
a week where you're like, do I just suck? And
1:06:27
then you get, and then it just, the brain is
1:06:31
weird. It's just that knowledge accumulates.
1:06:33
It matches up with your physical ability to play
1:06:35
the game. And like, I'm just having a massive
1:06:39
win streak right now. And I was on a fucking
1:06:40
losing streak right before. And I don't think
1:06:43
it's the game's matchmaking. I do think it's
1:06:44
just like slowly integrating like, oh my God,
1:06:48
I'm just overextending every time. Now I'm under
1:06:51
extending. I'm never getting any kills. you're
1:06:53
threading that needle over time, and I think
1:06:55
that it is useful to be easy on myself and not
1:06:59
say, oh, I suck, or oh, I'm great. It's like,
1:07:02
you know, it'll happen over time. So that would
1:07:04
be my thought on the meta. Venator feels like
1:07:07
a sleeper pick for trying to sleeper pick. There
1:07:10
it is again. Feels like a sleeper pick for getting
1:07:15
a lot of agency in my game. I think that. Certain
1:07:20
characters if you do well on can just make the
1:07:23
game a lot easier for everybody I haven't found
1:07:26
that that's the case for You know, I have a lot
1:07:30
of wins on like page and I feel like those aren't
1:07:33
necessarily my wins Like I helped a little bit,
1:07:35
but it wasn't like I closed the deal, you know
1:07:37
Well, I mean I would say that everyone contribute
1:07:40
there's just two things going on One is that
1:07:42
there are characters that contribute, you know
1:07:44
a lot of damage healing whatever Maybe they're
1:07:46
attacking attacking a lot of objectives, like
1:07:48
a wall breaker kind of Victor that's like running
1:07:50
down lane and just attacking objectives. They
1:07:52
can end up with insane numbers, but sometimes
1:07:55
even that character, they might tilt the scale,
1:07:57
but they're not the fight, like the finishing
1:07:59
blow. And then a lot of people want to play or
1:08:02
or whether they play them or not. The people
1:08:04
sometimes will play like someone who plays a
1:08:07
character that is like, I'm going to be the person
1:08:09
who cleans up all the kills and executes on everything.
1:08:11
And, you know, last hits, all this stuff. Everyone
1:08:14
themselves included are like, Oh, that's the
1:08:17
you know, the person who won the game. Like the
1:08:18
game is like there are, you know, MVP usually
1:08:21
or something like that because they're able to
1:08:23
get the most amount of kills and the most amount
1:08:25
of assists and all that stuff because they're
1:08:26
touching everyone and doing a lot of damage and
1:08:28
their their damage is a burst type or whatever
1:08:30
that allows them to get the last hit in. And
1:08:32
that is, you know, although the game and some
1:08:36
people think about that as like, here, let's
1:08:38
put this person in the front. All that stuff
1:08:41
of like playing a page, doing a ton of damage,
1:08:42
healing. Also, if you're doing your job, like
1:08:45
you're going to get, you know, like you're going
1:08:47
to help your team a huge amount. It's not going
1:08:49
to feel like you went over the finish line. But
1:08:50
what it is is you are literally like putting
1:08:52
people on your back and running them down to
1:08:55
the finish line. Right. And then sometimes you
1:08:58
do ascend and you become like MVP, page, carry,
1:09:02
max stats across the board. Like that is. But
1:09:05
when you're learning it, it feels like it's punishing
1:09:07
to not play an M1 carry or someone who can just
1:09:09
be like the person with all the kills. But like
1:09:12
that stuff, if you are doing your job, you're
1:09:14
doing good, you're doing all the things you need
1:09:15
to do. Like don't give up playing that character.
1:09:18
Yeah, you might need to play someone else to
1:09:19
like get up and rank or whatever. But like there
1:09:22
is a place for all these characters and all these
1:09:24
like archetypes. And in League of Legends, it
1:09:26
was the same thing. If you're the same thing
1:09:28
with Dota you play a character and people go
1:09:30
that character is like hard to climb with or
1:09:32
whatever but if you're really Like I play page
1:09:35
I play rem I do this you can fucking carry these
1:09:39
games But you do have to you might have to reach
1:09:41
a slightly higher level to carry people Because
1:09:43
some people out there are mad fucking heavy,
1:09:45
right? My thought on it just comes from the experience
1:09:50
of playing this game for over a thousand hours
1:09:53
and like Trying to play pocket trying to play
1:09:59
Sinclair trying to play Shiv trying to play page
1:10:03
and mow and krill and you know and Even like
1:10:07
Kelvin and doorman and then just being like fuck
1:10:11
it. I'll play warden I'll play Venator and being
1:10:14
like oh shit I am putting my hand on the scale
1:10:17
in a way that I was not Beforehand and I'm not
1:10:20
talking about a small amount of games these other
1:10:22
characters I I'm just feeling like it is easier
1:10:30
when your character can get picks, kills and
1:10:33
also push objectives. If you can do one of those
1:10:36
things without the other, it is more difficult.
1:10:38
Right. And certainly if you're getting used to
1:10:39
the game and you want to learn because there's
1:10:41
also there's learning about the character and
1:10:43
then there's learning about the game. Right.
1:10:45
And some people can do some of these characters
1:10:46
you can play. They're simple enough that you
1:10:47
can do both. Some of them are more complicated
1:10:49
and you're kind of like you spend a lot of time
1:10:52
learning the character and then not enough time
1:10:54
learning. like the MOBA part of the game that
1:10:56
is like the depth level. And yeah, I mean, it's
1:10:59
just like, I think that most people can find
1:11:01
what feels good. You and me, like we talked about
1:11:04
this before, you and me have a mental problem.
1:11:05
We're like, we have to play the weirdest characters
1:11:07
in whatever game it is or play whatever is like
1:11:09
completely off meta. But I think a lot of people,
1:11:11
you know, you follow your heart. Don't have that.
1:11:14
Yeah. Yeah. Believe in yourself. The heart of
1:11:16
the the the deadlock hero. Yeah. I mean, I think
1:11:20
if you're trying to learn 15 different systems,
1:11:24
a whole map, an entirely different way of playing
1:11:27
a game than Overwatch or whatever game you're
1:11:30
coming to this from. It's gonna be easier to
1:11:33
just play Ivy or Venator or somebody who like
1:11:36
has a fairly straightforward game plan. Whereas
1:11:38
like I learned the game on Pocket and that was
1:11:41
such a long and convoluted process to figuring
1:11:46
out like, oh, I can just kind of walk up to the...
1:11:48
I can just kind of walk up to the fucking walker
1:11:51
and shoot it to death. It's like, you can't do
1:11:53
that on pocket. You know what I mean? Well, you
1:11:55
can and just you'll be there. It just takes fucking
1:11:58
for it. Yeah, you'll be doing that. You'll be
1:12:00
attempting that four times versus once with Wraith
1:12:03
or or Venator. Right. I mean, the the thing I
1:12:07
was going to say is if you have any questions
1:12:09
or you have comments or you want to tell us that
1:12:11
we got something wrong or a correction or something
1:12:13
like that. You can email us at dadlock .podcast
1:12:17
at gmail .com or you can go to the discord, obviously.
1:12:20
And yeah, we're like, if you're in, if you're
1:12:22
just starting, there's a lot of new people in
1:12:23
this game and there's a lot of people who are
1:12:25
very toxic to new people. I was like, there's
1:12:28
a lot of people who are supportive, but if you
1:12:30
want a welcoming environment that will support
1:12:32
you, feel free to reach out and, you know, say
1:12:34
hello, ask questions and all that stuff. Because
1:12:37
at the end of the day, like These games are better
1:12:40
with more people in them, more people playing
1:12:41
them, and filling out the different levels of
1:12:45
play. You don't have to be the best person ever.
1:12:48
You can even say this about almost any character
1:12:50
game with rank or anything like that. There's
1:12:52
a place for everybody, even if you're not like...
1:12:55
Every team, it's good to have a carry, someone
1:12:57
who can secure the kill that you can rely on.
1:13:00
But there's all these roles that are great to
1:13:01
learn in. And there's more and more characters
1:13:03
that let you do more and more interesting things
1:13:05
that you can play to learn the game and not get
1:13:08
completely punished and get your shit kicked
1:13:10
in. I also think that you would probably know
1:13:13
this Omni from playing League and Dota and all
1:13:16
these other games that I haven't played much
1:13:18
of. But like even when people think these characters
1:13:22
are solved, there is a lot of moving parts going
1:13:24
on. Like people come up with some random meme
1:13:27
build that all of a sudden they're like, oh,
1:13:28
dude. Nobody tried the interaction of these two
1:13:31
items on this one ability and suddenly people
1:13:34
are like, oh, this is broken. This is crazy.
1:13:36
So it's like, and I think this game is pretty
1:13:40
good as far as like, I always think of Dynamo
1:13:42
as being a certain type of hero, but Omni just
1:13:45
plays Dynamo in a way that I wouldn't think to.
1:13:48
So it's suddenly not that type of character.
1:13:51
You know what I mean? So it's like, there is
1:13:52
a, for a lot of these characters, you can play
1:13:55
Ivy like three or four different ways, right?
1:13:57
You can play Viscous and and Sinclair a lot of
1:14:00
different ways. That's true. So yeah, just just
1:14:02
a thought. Well, you want to do a little bit
1:14:05
of deadlock lore? Let's do it, baby. Let's do
1:14:09
it. All right. So my turn to guess. It's your
1:14:14
turn to guess. I'm going to spin the wheel. All
1:14:17
right. And here it goes. Uh, we got Nurse Harrow.
1:14:29
Can you imagine? What are the odds? Was that
1:14:33
a donkey also? I was trying to go for like large
1:14:38
boat going like... Oh, you're talking about like
1:14:43
the the foghorn? Yes, that's right. Um, uh, yeah,
1:14:49
Nurse Harrow. I, uh, who could it guess? The,
1:14:53
um... I think that I have some thoughts about
1:14:58
what Nurse Hero's backstory might be and I'm
1:15:00
gonna go with that Nurse Hero was at some point
1:15:04
a normal human person and whether sought from
1:15:10
another person in the world or became aware of
1:15:15
it about their own innate powers were able to
1:15:18
suck the, like you were talking about the humors,
1:15:20
the humors out of people. And maybe animals.
1:15:25
I have no idea. Maybe there's a nurse started
1:15:26
as a veterinarian. Suck the humors out of gerbils
1:15:31
and then absorb them into herself and kind of
1:15:36
learned how to manipulate these things and redistribute
1:15:39
them to other people. And that feels like that's
1:15:43
something that could really corrupt the shit
1:15:45
out of you and make you into a very like potentially
1:15:48
fucked up person by doing that. So I think that
1:15:51
over the time of nurse harrow's life, uh, they
1:15:56
became more and more fucked up from sucking more
1:15:59
and more eldritch horror, demon juice out of
1:16:02
people. Now I say it like that. I regret saying
1:16:05
it like that because it sounds like, and, and
1:16:07
look, they, let's slow down for a second and
1:16:10
just say, if you don't know in history, uh, surgery,
1:16:16
medical treatment, it was not always so simple.
1:16:18
There's a lot of hacking people's limbs off.
1:16:20
There's a lot of drilling holes into people's
1:16:22
heads. I feel like nurse harrow has read all
1:16:24
those books and and and then was like interesting
1:16:27
drilling a hole in someone's head and uh proceeded
1:16:31
to then do all those things to figure out what
1:16:33
worked and has left a slew of dead, uh patients
1:16:39
behind but now has The idea of what does work
1:16:43
and like is kind of like using that what I don't
1:16:47
understand about the character, uh that i'm going
1:16:49
to have to like ponder is whether or not Nurse
1:16:54
Hero, like why Nurse Hero does what she does.
1:16:58
There's like, when I'm like, I'm like, yes, this
1:17:01
all makes sense. There's all this, you know,
1:17:03
taking the humors, redistributing them, healing
1:17:05
people, fixing things, being a nurse. But there's
1:17:08
a certain part of being a nurse that you're like,
1:17:10
oh, I want to help people. Now, to be fair, when
1:17:12
I go to the hospital, a lot of nurses are like,
1:17:14
ew, you smell bad, get away from me. Why are
1:17:16
you here? And I'm like, please help me. I don't
1:17:18
have any arms. They fell off. That can't be true.
1:17:22
And then they tell me to get out. But and then
1:17:25
they stick me with an insurance bill. But Nurse
1:17:27
Harrow seems to have a real passion for doing
1:17:32
what she's doing. And I think that I think part
1:17:36
of that passion is doing like experiments and
1:17:43
not so much. the healing of people. I think that
1:17:46
the healing is inconsequential to some extent
1:17:48
to like the total thing. It's like, ah, yes,
1:17:50
another opportunity for me to test my theory.
1:17:54
And then also, by the way, feels 100 percent
1:17:57
like a character that has just wandered into
1:18:00
like is not actually a nurse that is like has
1:18:03
any kind of degree or education, but is more
1:18:06
likely someone who's just wandered into a ward
1:18:09
and just pulls out a bag. with the fucking teeth
1:18:11
and the eyeball on it and is just like, you're
1:18:13
going to be my patient. The person is like, where's
1:18:15
the doctor? And he's like, no, no, no. Shush,
1:18:16
shush, shush. Nurse Harrow is here. Yeah. And
1:18:19
then proceeds to do heinous arcane surgeries
1:18:22
on you. Yeah, that was probably not a very good.
1:18:28
It's it's some of these characters are like more
1:18:30
interesting and weird. And I feel like when there's
1:18:32
Harrow, it's like the profession is in the name.
1:18:34
It's like if we did the shift or you get D character
1:18:36
and you're like, what's his backstory? I'm like,
1:18:37
oh, he's a chef. He loves pizza. He loves pizza.
1:18:41
He likes raviolis and meatballs and sauce. But
1:18:45
yeah, that's my guess. I don't think it's super
1:18:48
creative, but let's hear it. So I think that
1:18:51
you're not as off as you might think. But also
1:18:56
you did mention sucking a lot. There's none of
1:18:58
that in this backstory I tried to I wanted to
1:19:00
get more to go when I said that I was like, let's
1:19:02
get this fucking shit like Let's bump up the
1:19:05
heat in here. And then as I was thinking about
1:19:07
it, I was like, you know what pull back from
1:19:08
that side She's sucking off all these different
1:19:11
humas You suck the snake venom out. Yes. Also,
1:19:17
you're gonna suck the humors. I mean, that's
1:19:19
That's what the leeches are for, right? Oh, Nurse
1:19:20
Harrow, a ghost possessed my penis. Help me.
1:19:23
Yeah, exactly. But you'd get it. You'd get it
1:19:25
liable to get it cut off. I feel like at that
1:19:27
point. Yes, I represent. Nurse Harrow, a respected
1:19:33
pillar at the Marble Hill Possession Ward. Nurse
1:19:36
Harrow has dedicated her life to combating the
1:19:39
horrors of supernatural possession, a blend of
1:19:42
care, severity and detached pragmatism. Harrow
1:19:46
has been called a saint by some of her patients.
1:19:48
and a cruel governess by others. Both are probably
1:19:52
true. But while any sane person would question
1:19:56
how and why Harrow keeps the pain of her patients
1:19:59
stored in her medical bag. Medical bag? None
1:20:05
can question the results of her treatment program.
1:20:09
Cruel though it may be. So that's what she's
1:20:13
doing with her alt is she's letting out the pain
1:20:15
of her patients which she's storing in the bag.
1:20:20
Yeah, I mean, this is pretty cool. And that's
1:20:23
pretty much what you would expect from her backstory,
1:20:25
right? Yeah, I think that was the problem that
1:20:27
I was having just now, is that I was like, it's
1:20:29
kind of, she's a bit of a straightforward character.
1:20:31
Dead Man Danny, to me, was like one of those
1:20:33
characters where I was like, there's so many
1:20:34
reasons that he could be the way he is. And the
1:20:36
Lord didn't even really explain why he was the
1:20:40
way he was. That's true, yeah. Nurse Hera was
1:20:42
like, just the voice lines, it's like very obvious
1:20:44
that... She's a nurse. She does like eldritch
1:20:48
weird arcane, you know Procedures on people to
1:20:51
help them and people have mixed feelings about
1:20:54
her vibes and like those are all Immediately
1:20:57
in every single voice line that you have. Yes.
1:21:00
Yeah. Yeah, so it's like oh, yeah, it's a herder
1:21:02
to be like What's going on with her? It's like
1:21:05
no, she's a nurse I think I think explains why
1:21:13
her hair turns white, right? Because it's like
1:21:15
pain, like weird, like spectral pain is like
1:21:19
shooting through her body. When she opens up
1:21:23
the bag, right? I don't know. I mean, she turns
1:21:25
I it's maybe it's just like she's impacted by
1:21:28
like the possession, ghost, evil humors, like
1:21:33
pain stuff, because she gets like the when she
1:21:36
does the leech, she sucks up the leeches, they
1:21:38
make her have like veins around her face that
1:21:41
like grow. And then when she hurts her, she her
1:21:44
whole outfit turns black. And so this is interesting,
1:21:48
actually, because I like what I originally my
1:21:53
idea for her lore, which I should have just said,
1:21:55
which is that she was a demon of some kind or
1:21:57
some other kind of elder horror herself. And
1:22:00
that that was and then she was like, I'm going
1:22:03
to help mortals and heal human beings from this,
1:22:06
like, you know, people or things like me or lesser
1:22:09
versions of elder tour or stuff. And I kind of
1:22:14
like thought that I was like, oh, when she alts
1:22:18
like all the terrors coming out and she's like
1:22:20
impacted and changes. And then we were talking
1:22:22
about the two, which is that, you know, just
1:22:24
like the buff debuff, but it doesn't reflect
1:22:26
the Eldritch nature. She doesn't really seem
1:22:28
to have Eldritch nature. So it's almost weirder
1:22:30
that she transforms in her alt at all. Right.
1:22:33
Yeah, true. Yeah. Like, what is the transformation?
1:22:36
What even is happening there? Right. Like canonically
1:22:39
or? whatever, but I wonder if they'll add or
1:22:42
change that. I know all these things are technically
1:22:44
placeholders. And then some of them, like, you
1:22:47
know, that's still more informative than Dead
1:22:49
Man Danny's. Dead Man Danny's was literally a
1:22:51
sales pitch. That's the backstory you get. Very
1:22:53
funny, right? Yes, but it's not informative.
1:22:57
I will say though, I think that a lot of these
1:23:00
character models do feel final, right? Like I
1:23:03
don't, do you think they'll do another pass at?
1:23:06
Oh no, no, no. I meant more just like the lore
1:23:08
and like the, what's written in theory. Sure,
1:23:10
yeah, yeah, I can see that. Yeah, because like
1:23:12
I said, some of these, and now to be fair, yeah,
1:23:13
I would, you could argue there's way more stuff
1:23:15
revealed in the lore from the voice lines than
1:23:17
there is in the backstory, but like some of these
1:23:19
backstories you read, they're like really phoning
1:23:22
it in hard, right? Yeah. And you know, maybe
1:23:26
they'll like, I don't know if they're gonna like
1:23:28
completely change Nurse Hero in any way, but
1:23:31
I do feel like you could write the lore to it.
1:23:33
kind of like illuminate more of like why is she
1:23:36
transforming when she does her alter or whatever.
1:23:38
Not that it matters that much. It could just
1:23:40
be like, who cares? It's just a fun thing that
1:23:42
happens. But I feel like this game is and certainly
1:23:45
the people who play it, like part of the draw
1:23:47
is like they are creating this like super amazing,
1:23:50
interesting world. So I wouldn't be surprised
1:23:52
if they end up putting more into that part of
1:23:54
it. I think that the reason they keep it pretty
1:23:59
vague is because The majority of the lore is
1:24:04
opened up through their dialogue with each other,
1:24:07
right? And I think that they want a lot of room
1:24:11
to write that and maybe improvise it and just
1:24:15
like have it come out in the moment because like
1:24:17
we definitely I haven't listened to any of the
1:24:19
voice lines partially because we do this podcast
1:24:21
and I'm you know, it's like a fun thing for us
1:24:23
to do to guess the like bad versions of the of
1:24:28
the lore, right, but I bet you there's a lot
1:24:32
more to a lot of these characters in the fucking
1:24:36
10 ,000 different voice lines, right? Yeah. I
1:24:39
mean, you can even just playing a little bit
1:24:41
nursery. You can hear the really interesting
1:24:43
back and forth that people have, like where there
1:24:45
are people are like other heroes are like questioning
1:24:48
her methods and stuff like that. Like, yeah,
1:24:51
she's got a bit of a Kevorkian thing going on.
1:24:54
And then I thought it'd be more of that, though.
1:24:56
That's what I guess I'm saying. Yeah, I thought
1:24:57
it'd be instead. It's just kind of like she's
1:24:59
a severe. Nurse. Well, I thought that she was
1:25:03
gonna be evil, but it turns out she's actually
1:25:05
good, right? Because she is saving tons of people.
1:25:08
Now, she might be hacking their limbs off because
1:25:10
it's like, you know, haunted or whatever. But
1:25:14
haunted limb, by the way, that's like a haunted
1:25:18
limb. Me, you, and our bassist, Billy the Goat.
1:25:23
And we do that thing that they do for the guy
1:25:25
from Tebow Negative does where I sing like Dracula.
1:25:28
Hell yeah. Can you do that for me? We are haunted
1:25:31
limb more. One, two, three, four. The Count from
1:25:37
Social History. Can we get him in the game, by
1:25:41
the way? I don't think this game will ever have
1:25:46
Overwatch or Fortnite style like brand deals
1:25:50
though. I hope not. I mean, I don't need that.
1:25:52
I know that they like in in Dota, they have like
1:25:57
interesting announcer packs and stuff like that.
1:25:59
And I think there is some game crossover things
1:26:01
that happen, but it's very minimalistic. It's
1:26:03
not like those are like Shovel Knight or fucking
1:26:06
it's even more minimalistic than that. It'll
1:26:08
be like, here's a staff from like this game or
1:26:12
whatever. that is on a character that already
1:26:15
has a staff, right? As opposed to... What I'm
1:26:18
wondering is, is it like other indie devs, like
1:26:22
not other indie devs, is it indie devs who've
1:26:25
made it big on the Steam store? Or is it like,
1:26:27
you know, like, here's a staff from Assassin's
1:26:31
Creed. I think that I feel like it's been a long
1:26:35
time and I definitely played more League than
1:26:36
Dota, so I don't remember. But I definitely feel
1:26:38
like there's a little bit of both. Like the only
1:26:40
reason I was curious is because like, I think
1:26:42
in Overwatch, it seems a little obvious that
1:26:45
they're like, listen, Overwatch has taken some
1:26:47
financial hits over the years. We're going to
1:26:49
open it up to a like, dude, they have a Porsche
1:26:51
skin. Yeah. For fucking Diva. It's like you guys
1:26:55
clearly needed some money. It's fine. I like
1:26:57
the game. Do what you need to do. But like, you
1:27:00
know, I would love it if this game did. Dude,
1:27:02
I already I don't want them to put fucking skins
1:27:05
in the game at all because. One thing I loved
1:27:07
at the beginning of Overwatch and Rivals was
1:27:10
that everything was so readable. It was so competitive.
1:27:13
I'm looking at a character. He's big and green.
1:27:16
He's the Hulk. You know what I mean? Now you
1:27:18
go back into Rivals any random month. It's like,
1:27:21
I don't know who any of these fucking characters
1:27:23
are. I'm in the battlefield being like, what
1:27:25
is this guy about to do to me? I have to memorize
1:27:27
like 75 different skins to know what ult is coming
1:27:30
my way. It's skinny short, normal skinned. Hulk,
1:27:35
with long hair and beautiful eyelashes. You could
1:27:37
tell. That game is egregious. Hulk and the Thing
1:27:43
are like indistinguishable if they're both wearing
1:27:45
fucking banana hammocks and have purple skin.
1:27:47
You know what I mean? You know, I fucking hate
1:27:50
that part about it. But I mean, Dota and other
1:27:54
Valve stuff has always done a pretty good job.
1:27:56
Like, obviously in TF2, they had hats and stuff
1:27:57
like that. Yes, that's great. Yeah. Like it's
1:28:01
in Dota and in TF2, the weapon changes aside
1:28:04
from like whatever they meant for the character,
1:28:07
which in TF2, you know, obviously they changed
1:28:08
how the character played a little bit, but they
1:28:11
Dota never had like here's a weapon change or
1:28:14
here's like an accessory or something that goes
1:28:16
on the character that like to me really bothered
1:28:18
me in a way that I was like, oh, it's fucking
1:28:20
Rick and Morty or whatever, you know? Yeah, yeah.
1:28:23
It's the dog from, you know, fucking. I don't
1:28:28
even know. What's the dog? The dog from Dog the
1:28:30
Bounty Hunter. It's the dog from Dog. Do you
1:28:33
like that? I picked the most popular animal next
1:28:35
to it's like a dog or cat and then think of one
1:28:38
in a TV show. There's gazillion and I couldn't
1:28:39
think of one. I could think of fucking seven
1:28:43
right now. I know. I know the let's do we want
1:28:47
to try? No. All right. You don't want to try
1:28:50
to think of five. OK, wait. Here's the only real
1:28:52
skin that I want. That's a dog. Scruff McGruff,
1:28:56
the crime dog. As Abrams Jake and Finn, right?
1:29:02
Yeah Santa Santa's Little Helper Pluto I get
1:29:07
it you can name dogs. Can we count Goofy? All
1:29:09
right, can we count? Yeah Lassie Lasso Lasso
1:29:16
Lasso is a dog, isn't he? I don't know. I made
1:29:20
that up. I have no idea. Okay Well, that shows
1:29:22
you how easily I can be Burt the Wonder Dog.
1:29:26
Burt the Wonder Dog. Burt Kreischer Sniffles
1:29:30
from everybody loves everybody loves sniffles
1:29:34
This is when people click off our podcast like
1:29:36
that. This is a deadlock The I'll be it so Before
1:29:43
we get into dead or locked. I just will say there's
1:29:46
something about being at the end of this I thought
1:29:48
I'd be I don't want to be a downer because I
1:29:50
think the game's in a great place and and we've
1:29:52
talked about some good stuff and some things
1:29:54
that are interesting, but I weirdly enough Don't
1:29:58
think I felt this the way at the end of old gods
1:29:59
new blood But I just feel real tired from like
1:30:02
all these like like I think the characters just
1:30:04
feel like they're doing a lot and the map changes
1:30:05
like I Look, I'm a dad. I'm tired all the time.
1:30:09
I'm an old man. I Live living is suffering. I
1:30:14
just exist in a state of pain. I have no cartilage
1:30:17
in my knees as we established I Feel like the
1:30:21
all these changes all at once. I'm just like
1:30:23
I just need to sit down. I'm real tired, man
1:30:25
Yeah. Like I need to take a nap on the couch.
1:30:28
I'm real sleepy. And it's just like it's a fucking
1:30:32
lot all at once. So I think it's going to take
1:30:34
time to like adjust. But like it is affecting
1:30:36
me a little bit in my like mood about like talking
1:30:38
about all this stuff. I'm like, oh, she's so
1:30:40
so much shit to like. It's a lot. Yeah. I mean,
1:30:43
they they content blasted us like Nurse Harrow
1:30:47
opening up the bag. You know what I mean? Like
1:30:49
it's just like like I'm in fear and I'm running
1:30:52
away from the game. No, I mean, it's I think
1:30:56
that it's enough content that we will be able
1:30:59
to integrate it into, like, how does the game
1:31:02
play? How do these characters change the game?
1:31:03
Like, there's enough weird shit and, like, they've
1:31:06
thrown enough rocks into the pond that, like,
1:31:08
the ripples are going to be rippling for a while,
1:31:11
I think. What's like if you're on a, you know,
1:31:13
like I've been I've been on a lot of boats. I've
1:31:15
been to sea. I'm a bit of a seaman. Um, but.
1:31:22
When you're on a boat and you first get on a
1:31:25
boat and the waves get crazy, you're like, whoa,
1:31:27
these waves are crazy. But after the third hour,
1:31:30
you're just like, whatever. You know what I mean?
1:31:32
You're like, yeah, I get it. The seas are choppy.
1:31:33
Just hold on tight. And then some people get
1:31:37
motion sickness and throw up. Over the side of
1:31:38
the entire. I was gonna say, I would need a metric
1:31:41
shit ton of drama meat or else I'm throwing up
1:31:43
over the side of this, but I have never been
1:31:45
on a boat. So fuck that. I'm just like, at this
1:31:47
point, I'm kind of like, I want the waves to
1:31:49
settle, not because I'm like not able to handle
1:31:51
it, but mostly just because I want to. It's nice
1:31:54
with these games. Yes, this game is in early
1:31:57
access and they're going to change stuff and
1:31:58
it's going to shake things up. It's in an alpha
1:32:00
shut up. Yeah. I guess what? I'm a Sigma. Sit
1:32:08
down, Alpha. The I'm an Omega. The I I think
1:32:14
the part of my brain that enjoys playing any
1:32:17
kind of MOBA or character game is when there's
1:32:20
like enough consistency that you can get into
1:32:22
like a flow and I get on at night and I play
1:32:26
and I'm like this. I know what's happening. I
1:32:28
know all the things that are going on. I've been
1:32:30
paying attention, following everything's like
1:32:32
there's this as an established meta. Maybe it
1:32:34
changes halfway this season. The meta has changed.
1:32:38
arguably like a hundred times in the last month.
1:32:41
Can I, I'm telling you, this is why it's like
1:32:43
every night when I boot up the game, it's like,
1:32:46
he's throwing chess pieces at me and she's painting
1:32:48
it. And it's like, I just have to be like, like
1:32:50
I need to be a Catholic old man who's just like
1:32:53
shoot them in the head. Like, it's just like,
1:32:57
You're walking through Central Park and people
1:32:59
like random people just come out of the woodwork
1:33:00
to throw their random possessions they have in
1:33:02
their hands at you. Red crumbs and fucking chess
1:33:05
pieces and paint. Yes. Yes. And you're like,
1:33:07
what did I do? And then you're like, wait, I
1:33:09
have a gun. Yes, exactly. It's like throw it
1:33:12
like put the fear of Jesus into them. Like it's
1:33:16
just easier to fucking not have to think about
1:33:19
all that stuff because like I'll say as much
1:33:22
playing Wraith. There's like a weird complexity
1:33:26
to when you use the cards when you don't but
1:33:29
all that stuff is just easier when it's like
1:33:31
Just shoot people just shoot them. Yeah Just
1:33:36
easy. You know what I mean? Yeah Well dead luck
1:33:41
We love you. We loved you. We love you. Here's
1:33:44
a little kiss. I had to see you go Like it's
1:33:47
dying So let me hit you with this. All right,
1:33:51
you've heard of McGinnis You've heard of McGunnis.
1:33:54
Are we gonna do this opening every time we do
1:33:56
this? Dead or Alive. You've heard of McGunnis.
1:33:58
Wait, no, you haven't heard of McGunnis. No,
1:34:00
no. If you've listened to other episodes, you
1:34:03
have heard of McGunnis. What about McGruntis?
1:34:09
McGruntis? It reminds me of Banjo -Kazooie Grunty.
1:34:13
I love that game. Banjo -Tooie. What's the list
1:34:18
of the intro? We never wrote this down. This
1:34:20
has always been improvised. What character would
1:34:21
you rather kill? It's dead or locked. What character
1:34:24
would you rather kill, dead, or lock lips with?
1:34:28
No penetration required. But it can be if you
1:34:32
like. It's a merry fuck kill, but we've gotten
1:34:34
rid of killing. No, wait, we've gotten rid of
1:34:36
marrying and we changed fucking to kissing. And
1:34:40
it's all about fucking and killing. I like that
1:34:42
line. So anyways, what about this? And I'll give
1:34:45
you, this one is... a bit of a theme, Bebop or
1:34:52
Dynamo. Bebop or Dynamo? Cold metal kissing.
1:34:59
So, all right, look. This one's all personality,
1:35:01
I think. Yeah, let's be blunt. I'm not like,
1:35:06
you picked two cold robot men, and it is all
1:35:10
personality. I'm biased. I am a Bebop main. So
1:35:17
I think, you know what I can't stand? If you
1:35:19
said Lash or Bebop, kill Lash. I'm sick of this
1:35:24
Lash fucking apologist bullshit of people taking
1:35:28
his side. Look, I get it. Bebop is a clanker,
1:35:33
all right? I know that that's a controversial
1:35:35
term. I want the rest of the audience listening
1:35:38
just to understand this. Omni is a Bebop main,
1:35:43
okay? I said that. Just think about that for
1:35:46
a second. Just integrate that into your idea
1:35:48
of who this is as a person. He is a sweet robot
1:35:51
boy who wants to cure his you know human guardian
1:35:55
right and and and like how How sweet and gentle
1:36:00
and kind is that right and then also he's cool
1:36:02
He has a big fist that punches people and he
1:36:04
can grab people He annoys people when he kills
1:36:06
them for sure because they don't like getting
1:36:07
killed by me when I play beep up or anyone really
1:36:11
but the I think that you'd have to do a lot to
1:36:17
make me not ever pick in terms of affection and
1:36:20
endearment, bebop over someone else. So I'm going
1:36:23
to say biased. I'm picking. I'm going to kiss
1:36:27
that little duck face robot right on the little
1:36:29
duck faced mouth of a quarter thing. And Dynamo
1:36:34
can turn into a black hole and go away. I mean,
1:36:37
it is important to remember, too, that like neither
1:36:39
of these characters actually have lips. So it's
1:36:42
going to be a little difficult to get in there,
1:36:44
I think. But. I, dude, first of all, we always
1:36:49
talk about who could you kill. Dynamo, I think
1:36:52
he has a timeline. I don't have to go out of
1:36:55
my way to kill him. I think I just have to remind
1:36:57
him of being like, you used to be human. How's
1:36:59
your wife doing? When's the last time you kissed
1:37:01
your wife on the lips? And then he would just
1:37:03
end himself. He'd be like, the tears won't come.
1:37:06
Yeah, he just crumples into a singularity and
1:37:09
disappears and then that's done. I gotta say,
1:37:13
I think I'm the opposite on this one. Bebop definitely
1:37:17
seems to have a bit of a darker personality.
1:37:19
So maybe there'd be some like sort of flavor
1:37:22
there. Like I don't think that. Yeah, I think
1:37:24
Dynamo would be a very boring fuck. But I think
1:37:29
that just based on I think just based on how
1:37:36
fucking aggravating Bebop is like he's I wouldn't
1:37:39
want to say fuck him. Is that a good Bebop? There's
1:37:44
bit probably not anything worse in this game
1:37:47
than a good bebop like maybe a good doorman can
1:37:51
be more annoying but a good bebop is like holy
1:37:55
shit just let me play the game dude yeah I gotta
1:37:59
I gotta kiss those I gotta kiss right between
1:38:01
those little two monocles that dynamo has on
1:38:05
his head his little readers his 1920s readers
1:38:11
the idea that you're cracking any robot at all
1:38:14
is hilarious to me But like, I'm over here being
1:38:18
like, yeah, I could kiss Bebop on the lips. And
1:38:19
you're like, how do I engage in sexual Congress
1:38:22
with a man made of metal? I'll be honest with
1:38:24
you too. I don't think that Bebop has no ass.
1:38:28
So that's, you know, Dynamo is definitely a little
1:38:30
more curvy. I like them big. I like them chunky.
1:38:35
Yeah, I think that, and Dynamo is a provider,
1:38:41
dude. But Bebop, what is Bebop providing? He's
1:38:45
trying to, he's trying to help cure his sick
1:38:48
human mom or whatever caretaker. He has a heart
1:38:53
of not gold, but it would be made of gold if
1:38:56
you change what it was made out of. It's a heart
1:39:01
of stone. I would argue they both have hearts
1:39:04
of metal, but or plastic or whatever. Well, not
1:39:07
plastic. It has not been invented probably yet.
1:39:10
Dynamo has some kind of horrible black like whole
1:39:13
heart and bebop is probably like plugged into
1:39:16
a fucking USB C or some shit. All right. Look,
1:39:19
this this podcast is not intended for children,
1:39:21
but we're going to get I'm going to get into
1:39:22
some details here for a second. So if this is
1:39:24
gross or you're finding this offensive or you're
1:39:27
from Valve, maybe turn this turn this this part
1:39:29
off. But if you're from Valve, turn it up. If
1:39:32
you're let's get into details here. Bebop is
1:39:35
a robot. That's it. He is just a robot. Right.
1:39:38
And you that he's a known quantity. Dynamo, as
1:39:42
we've discussed in our previous lower section,
1:39:45
is Astral remains of a human who got sucked in
1:39:51
some singularity and exists in this like weird
1:39:53
incorporeal like mini dwarf star form or whatever.
1:39:58
The question is, when you're cracking Dynamo,
1:40:01
are you taking him out of that containment and
1:40:03
then cracking a dwarf star? Or are you doing
1:40:07
it inside the suit? And are you surviving? You
1:40:11
do have to crack him open and fuck the dwarf
1:40:13
star. Just putting your shit right in the helmet
1:40:16
and just fucking swirling it around. And by the
1:40:20
way, if you're a female and you're cracking dynamo,
1:40:23
that has to... The suckage, the vacuum power
1:40:28
on that black hole. This is not where I saw this
1:40:32
conversation going. And I have another detail
1:40:34
question here. We got to get it. We got to get
1:40:38
into it. Are like again, I said, are you surviving
1:40:42
which is its own question, right? But also if
1:40:45
for anyone who's seen What's that movie with
1:40:49
They go into space interstellar, right? Yeah
1:40:53
in interstellar they Time changes right the closer
1:40:57
you get to the to the you know event horizon,
1:41:00
right? Is your dick and or other body part that's
1:41:06
engaging, your lips or whatever, is that aging
1:41:08
faster the closer you get to Dynamo? Yeah, the
1:41:11
tip of your penis is gonna be an old man. It's
1:41:14
an old man penis and you pull it back. And the
1:41:17
same is true of the vagina. Pick Bebop! You know
1:41:20
what I mean? It seems like an easy one. And Dynamo
1:41:24
is also, if you're getting fucked by Dynamo,
1:41:26
if you're a female listener, the lips of your,
1:41:29
you're gonna be old woman lips, but the inside
1:41:31
of you is gonna be much less old lips. So thank
1:41:35
you for that. The, and if you were - We can move
1:41:39
off, we can change, I mean, we've only been talking
1:41:41
about it for a half hour. No, no, no, trust me,
1:41:42
you wanted to talk about it more. No, like I
1:41:46
was gonna say that people hate Bebop so much
1:41:48
that they'd rather have their dick or any other
1:41:53
body part that they're engaging in with Dynamo
1:41:55
turn into an old person body part. than give
1:41:59
Bebop a kiss on his little head. That is... Yeah,
1:42:03
I think that's 100 % true. That's insane. Get
1:42:06
over yourselves. Let me kill you on Bebop, man.
1:42:10
The end. I think that probably this is the worst
1:42:16
two that we've picked through in Dead or Locked,
1:42:18
I don't think. Yes. I'm not interested in either
1:42:21
of these at all. You picked two metal robot people.
1:42:25
It was a theme. It's supposed to be like an interesting
1:42:28
decision between two different things Well, what
1:42:35
else are you doing besides haunting my brain
1:42:37
with your disgusting Yeah Yeah, what am I doing?
1:42:44
I'm playing a game called Mina the Hallower.
1:42:46
Oh, yeah, which was unrelated to me to the vampire
1:42:50
unrelated to me to the vampire although No, no
1:42:54
not at all the their names are spelled the same
1:42:57
but Mina the hollower is a It's like a Zelda
1:43:05
game It's like an old -school Zelda game mixed
1:43:08
with a Dark Souls game. It actually feels kind
1:43:10
of like blood -borne the way the combat works
1:43:12
But it's just dark. It's deep. It's hard Wow,
1:43:20
the sexual imagery never stops on this show But
1:43:25
yeah, it's just very difficult game I I bought
1:43:30
it. It's 20 bucks I bought it like I don't know
1:43:32
when it first came out six months ago and Just
1:43:35
didn't fucking enjoy it. I liked the first ten
1:43:38
minutes, but I got to a point where I was like
1:43:40
Oh, there's no map in this game and where the
1:43:42
fuck am I supposed to go? I don't want to think
1:43:44
about this And so I just put it down. And then
1:43:47
one day I was like, I'll try it again. And I'm
1:43:49
just going to put in the mental energy to like
1:43:52
find it's one of those games like old Zelda games.
1:43:55
You kind of have to like go into every corner
1:43:58
of the screen and be like, oh, there was a hole
1:44:01
here that I can walk through that wasn't immediately
1:44:04
like able to be seen. But giving it that extra
1:44:09
attention. The game is rewarding me with it's
1:44:13
a fucking great game. It's the creators of Shovel
1:44:15
Knight. Very dead coded game, very, you know,
1:44:21
Metroidvania or in that sort of world of stuff.
1:44:25
However, you don't need to go get specific items
1:44:28
or powers to unlock other places. You can go
1:44:32
to any of the like eight kingdoms or whatever
1:44:34
from the start, which is very cool. Nice. Yeah.
1:44:39
I played that a little bit, but I haven't really
1:44:41
cried. I think I bought it and I played the intro
1:44:43
and I never finished it, but I definitely need
1:44:46
to go back and play it. I am. I've been playing
1:44:50
something called PokeRogue, which is like a web
1:44:54
based game, but it's a Pokemon Roguelike where
1:44:57
so I played it. I beat it in the past. Come back
1:45:01
to it because I just got a craving for playing
1:45:04
Pokemon and. The way it works is basically you
1:45:09
pick starter characters and you get more and
1:45:12
more over time and sometimes they have different
1:45:14
movesets and things like that. They can be shiny
1:45:15
or be infected with the Pokevirus. And then you
1:45:19
make a team. You have a certain amount of points
1:45:21
allotted to making your team so you can't just
1:45:23
pick all legendaries because they cost more.
1:45:26
So you can pick one legendary and then have a
1:45:29
shitty Pokemon, like a Weedle or something, right?
1:45:34
Or you can pick like a mixture of different meat
1:45:37
like mid to kind of to your Pokemon or a bigger
1:45:39
team of like really low tier Pokemon. And then
1:45:43
every time like there's no walking around in
1:45:45
a world you're literally getting here's this
1:45:47
Pokemon comes to you. It's like level two. You
1:45:50
can kill it or catch it. And then the next one
1:45:52
and the next one, the next one. And then you
1:45:53
get breaks to buy items like potions to heal
1:45:56
your team because it's all no no damage is healed
1:45:59
except for what you do with your care. What do
1:46:01
we do with your Pokemon or what you heal? in
1:46:04
between the battles and then you get to like
1:46:08
gym battles or boss battles and then after you
1:46:11
defeat that gym battle your level cap for your
1:46:15
Pokemon goes up everything heals and then you
1:46:17
get put into a new biome where then it's like
1:46:19
okay now you're in the uh cave system and you're
1:46:21
not moving around again you're just hitting battle
1:46:23
after battle but now it's all stuff that you
1:46:25
would find in caves zoo bats diglets and it ascends
1:46:28
until you're getting to like level 200 legendary
1:46:31
Pokemon and every fight is like super hard. And
1:46:34
so can I ask you, is it actually Zubats and stuff
1:46:39
like that? Like, is it Pokemon? Yeah, it's it's
1:46:41
it's I mean, it's not an official game. It's
1:46:43
free. It's Pokemon. It's Pokey. Pokey rogue dot
1:46:45
net is a free Pokemon game that is just like
1:46:49
a fan thing that is made. And it saves your data
1:46:54
and all that stuff. And it has all these different
1:46:55
modes. And then also you get vouchers for eggs
1:46:58
and then you put them in. You play a certain
1:47:00
amount of battles and then the eggs hatch. And
1:47:03
you get that's how you get new Pokemon. Oh, besides
1:47:05
catching them, obviously, catching a Pokemon
1:47:07
like permanently unlocks it. But it's like this,
1:47:09
like it perfectly melds together the rogue like
1:47:11
stuff with the just with like Pokemon. And then
1:47:16
you play it at this like you can get very fast.
1:47:18
It's kind of playing Blatro. You know, when you
1:47:20
play it like if you play Blatro or some other
1:47:21
games where you like the better you get at, the
1:47:23
faster you're playing it because you don't have
1:47:25
to think about the decisions. You're just like,
1:47:26
boom, pick this, pick that, pick this, do that.
1:47:29
And. I it's just something about it. Just to
1:47:31
me, I can play it over and over again. And it's
1:47:33
also very hard. But also it gets you in the kind
1:47:37
of for anyone who likes Pokemon or any kind of
1:47:39
like team battling games or anything like that
1:47:40
or like creature capture. It gets you into that
1:47:43
world of being like, can I beat this with these
1:47:45
terrible Pokemon? Yes. Can I beat this very hard
1:47:48
thing with like the shittiest team imaginable
1:47:51
or like a team? And it's like, yeah, it's really
1:47:54
scratching that itch. But that's what I've I
1:47:56
love that. Yeah. That sounds great, man. I will
1:47:58
probably take a look at that. Is it in browser?
1:48:01
Yes, it is in browser. It's a yeah. Is it mobile
1:48:04
friendly or no? No, it's totally mobile. I play
1:48:06
it on my phone. Yeah. I'll probably check that
1:48:09
out tonight. It has an overlay for like an on
1:48:12
-screen A .B. button and like a mouse pad. Sweet.
1:48:16
And it takes a bit to get used to it. Like it's
1:48:17
like when any rogue like it does the classic.
1:48:19
This is why it really gets me. I love Pokemon,
1:48:21
but it gets in that loop of being like, oh, I
1:48:24
just got my shit kicked in. You can get pretty
1:48:26
far, but get to level 50 and you've made some
1:48:29
bad decisions, you're gonna lose, right? You're
1:48:31
gonna get your first real hard battle and you're
1:48:33
gonna die. And then you come back and you go,
1:48:36
oh, but I know now it's gonna get fucking hard.
1:48:38
So now, before I hit level 50 or whatever, I
1:48:41
have to really fucking get my shit together.
1:48:44
There's my dog, by the way. Well, I'll say as
1:48:49
much as that. That means that there's someone
1:48:51
at my door and that we probably have to wrap
1:48:53
up. And if I could take the reins here, a dad
1:48:58
never really says goodbye, but we do have to
1:49:02
go get some smokes, get some milk on our way.
1:49:14
That's the sound. By the way, every every every
1:49:16
real dad has at least 50 dogs like German shepherds
1:49:19
and Rottweilers and things like that that are
1:49:22
like behind a chain link fence barking every
1:49:23
time someone comes by the house. So that's me.
1:49:27
Alright, bye. Bye. I got, I got, hey. Hey yarn,
1:49:58
it's uh, it's fall. It's autumn. The leaves are
1:50:02
changing color. They're falling from the ground.
1:50:06
When I step on them, I can't tell the difference
1:50:08
between leaves crinkling and the sound my knees
1:50:10
make. It's that time of the year! Just someone
1:50:17
chewing on lettuce someone chewing on celery
1:50:20
is the sound of your knees. I bend over Yeah,
1:50:22
that's it. There's no cartilage left. You know,
1:50:23
my dad walks around like he has no knees He has
1:50:26
to like do like the stilt legs. He has no cartilage
1:50:29
on his knees. Oh Hard -working man hard -working
1:50:33
man. Oh This is now a horror podcast cartilage
1:50:38
is for sissies. That's what he says as he beats
1:50:39
me Beats me with a hoagie a BLT that's only T
1:50:46
Just tomatoes. Just keep throwing tomatoes at
1:50:49
you. Dance for me! Alright, that's enough. That's
1:50:54
enough of that!