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Captains Wanted with Andres Schabelman · Inspiring Stories

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Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to the picture of the radiant.
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Speaker 2: Rat.
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Speaker 3: You readything to me? Oh well, well say, oh well
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not a bad stop.
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Speaker 1: I just need.
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Speaker 3: Slash. He's dead.
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Speaker 1: Welcome back, everybody. Our next guest is Andreas Chavelman. He
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is an author and his book Captains Wanted. Along with
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being being a author, Andreas is also kind of an
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adventurous traveler, so his book kind of melds the two
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things into one, and it is inspired by personal anecdotes
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direct experiences with Indigenous ceremonial and Western therapeutic modalities following
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his time at some of Silicon Valley's largest tech companies.
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Andreas Schaevelman's Captains Wanted continues elements of the magical realms
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of literary fiction to offer utterly unique experience experiential take
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on success and self growth. He's actually Andreas is a
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fantastic and funny guy. So let's bring him on the
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show and hear a little bit about what's behind the
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book and what caused him to write the book and
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what he really wants us to get from the book. One. So,
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Andrea's welcome to the show. Or should I say Andy,
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or it doesn't matter right?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't matter. I'm used to having interchangeable identity,
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and my parents are from Argentina. I grew up in
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New Orleans. I went by Andy, but my parents you know,
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my name is Andreas. I like it all. It all,
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it all fits me and suits me.
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Speaker 1: So I mean, I was reading some of the book
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I haven't finished it yet, right, and fantastic anecdotes and
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things like that. So what kind of inspired you to
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sit down and write the book?
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Speaker 2: I think my own journey to come back to myself,
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to feel into what I actually want in this life,
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separate from all of the different systems around me, whether
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it was my family system or the societal system that
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put expectations on me, and finally realizing that underneath all
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of that there was someone who was like itching and
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scratching and screaming to kind of, you know, come out
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and say this is who I really am, this is
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what I really want. And given how hard that was
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and is and continues to be, I imagine that's hard
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for everyone. And so I was like, Okay, well, maybe
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I can share a bit of my story, but in
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a novel form that could be helpful for others in
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their own process to come back to their own self.
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Speaker 1: Right, The book does do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The book is called Captain's Wanted and my
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best friend from college he passed away from a terminal
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illness and his last words were, I am the captain
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of this ship. And so I kind of interpreted and
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have interpreted at various different points in my life, what
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you were, what it would mean to be the captain
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of my own ship. And so the character, you know,
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the book is written in second person. The character is
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meant to be you, the reader, and how that reader
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sort of navigates their own process of returning to their
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own discernment or their own source of power. You know,
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is it mimics part of my own journey to figure
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it out for myself? But also I don't. I never
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wanted to be an author that told people how to
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do it or another talking head that was like, this
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is how you should do it. It's like, no, it's
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supposed to be your journey, specifically back to your own power.
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So the book is kind of modeled to allow for
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an experience where you maybe could do that.
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Speaker 1: So when you actually got back to your own power,
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did you yourself feel successful and fulfilled?
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Speaker 2: Right? Because you know, I think first and foremost, we
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have to get to the point where I reached all
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of the success from the external validation systems that I
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had ever listened to. You know, I went to Harvard
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and got a grad degree there. I was one of
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the first thirty Airbnb employees. I got to be on
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the floor of the New York Stock Exchange with another
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company called Fiber and ring the bell. So I like
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literally made it to the pinnacle of success, at least
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in terms of how it was you know, presented to
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me in our society and in my culture and in
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my family system. And realizing that that in itself didn't
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really didn't you know, lead me to be more happy
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or more fulfilled. Then you know, it caused me to
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look at you know, Okay, well what can I do
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that It's going to be a true expression of who
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I am that's going to lead me to feeling really
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successful on my own terms. And now what I'm doing,
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including the publishing of this book and all of the
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different expressions that I have online, including comedic characters, a
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travel show, all kinds of things, is sort of is
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me just putting out work that comes from my heart.
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And you know, whether or not people watch it or
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listen to it or read it or whatever it may be,
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is okay, because now the external validation system isn't the
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thing that guides me. What guides me is that what
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I do is a true expression of who I am.
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And so in that sense, I do feel successful now, right.
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Speaker 1: And it doesn't sound very feeling. I kind of know
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what you mean. Made it to the pinnacle of being.
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Most of my listeners know that I was a former
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analytical chemist and I could do something some really crazy
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stuff with the mass spectrometer that the only other people
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they would ever hire me after Mitsubishi let me go
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was was either NASA or Certain It's like, okay, well
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that's not gonna happen anytime soon. But I've still felt
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left behind, and creating podcasts and films and stuff like
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that is like, yeah, I wake up in the morning excited, right.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's priceless. You can't put that, you know,
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a price on that. And actually, I think in many ways,
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the old way of thinking about how I was getting
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paid and whether I should get paid more, negotiating salary
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the more that I got paid was often a way
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in which I accepted that there was a price to
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my to my happiness. But I was willing to exchange
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my happiness for a certain amount of money, and that
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was okay to a certain extent. But at some point
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I was like, Eh, this sacrifice actually doesn't feel aligned with,
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you know, how I want to live my life. And
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given how short life is, it's like, you know what,
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let's try to make the most of it and maybe
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there's a way I can calm down some of my
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survival mode fears that come from some ancestral stuff and
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have that you know, lead to me making decisions that
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are more about what makes my heart feel more alive,
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rather than making the trade off between what makes my
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heart feel alive and how much money I can make.
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Speaker 1: Right. Yeah, two, your heart feel it feels alive. You're
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excited to get up every day and do what you do.
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What does Andy's Dave look like?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not the most habit based person I have.
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Every day is very different for me. I'm currently in Oakland.
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When we did a pre talk, I was in Mexico.
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I had a I move around a lot. I've been
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nomadic for a very long time. I mean some ways,
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in some ways I want to be more grounded for sure,
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but I always find myself being on the road, sometimes
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for escapism, sometimes for adventure, sometimes for some combination of
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the two. But yeah, this morning I woke up at
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my friend's house in Oakland. We went on a walk
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to grab some coffee. I'm going to be recording a
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podcast here for my new podcast called Rebel, and that
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will be in this house, so I set up the shop.
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Then I'm going to go find the best tie food
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in Oakland, because I love Thaigh food. I'll probably walk
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to that location so I get a little exercise and yeah,
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come back shoot the podcast, have another friend come along
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round and seen it in a while, and hang out
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with him and reconnect with him. And then tomorrow I'm
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off to another place in the Soft Bay here in
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San Francisco to hang out with another family. And the
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next day I'll probably take a fight to Miami and
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hopefully at some point land in a place long enough
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that I can develop some routines around my body, because
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I know that that's been a really important part of
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my own process of feeling my strength. But I have
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to also acknowledge that the days shift and change, and
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I have to be open to that, and that's what
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I'm that's the space I'm in right now is allowing
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myself to be open to what arises around me.
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Speaker 1: Right. That sounds really important as being able to be
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in touch yourself, right, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think it's interesting because I know
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how much discipline does matter and consistency matters for certain things.
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But if I feel like I'm having to do something
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from the place of force rather than want, then it's
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not a sustainable way for me to do it. And
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it often will feel like I'm not at the center
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of my decision making process, but it feels like there's
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some other force that's deciding for me what I should do,
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and I can leave myself kind of cut off from
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the beautiful, synchronistic things that happen in life. So I
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try to design my life in a way that allows
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me to consistently return to certain practices, but that leaves
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room for the synchronistic and the spontaneity to arise around me.
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But that's hard in a world where everyone's like, Oh,
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what's your morning routine? You should get in all these
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exercises or meditations or things like that. I don't live
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my life like that. I hope that my life leads
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me so that every day I get a meditation and
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a workout in. But I don't stay stuck on that
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idea either.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So if you're in this is an interesting one
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because I know a lot of a lot of health
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people that say, oh, you gotta It's like I have
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friends of mine they're like, oh, Michael, you don't ever
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go to the gym. You know you're gonna be shabby,
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You're unfit, And I, believe it or not, they're the
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ones all the medication. I don't take none. But we're
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not going to get too far down that rabbit hole.
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So if you're in different places, so the exercise and
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meditation has to adjust to where it is you are,
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right what's available to you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some great, you know applications like the Mind
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Body app on your phone or sometimes for example, I
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was just two days ago in Orange County and I
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went to the my friend's gym, had his guest path
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and I worked out there as an incredible gym. So
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I often, and actually really I really like to go
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to local yoga studios wherever I am, or try out
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when the other the gyms that are in the surrounding
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areas of where I'm staying. It actually has become like
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a really cool way to get to know a place.
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You tap into these existing communities through the fitness classes
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or the yoga classes, or honestly without trying to make
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it so rigid, like instead of grabbing an uber to
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go from one place to the next, I just walk
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and walk a little bit extra. Maybe I walk a
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little bit in the cold, but usually there's some sunshine
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out and it's nice and I get a little fresh air,
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and I get to walk in random neighborhoods, and I
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might take a long, roundabout way to get there without
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having to put a lot of stress on the efficiency
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of the route. And I use that as a bit
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of exercise and meditation, and that way to get to
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know a place.
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Speaker 1: That sounds like a really great way to get to
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know the place. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: So.
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Speaker 1: But you you've been been a circumventive of the world
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a few times, haven't you.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean I've traveled over ninety countries, and I've
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put a lot of miles on different frequent fire airlines.
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I led the status on multiple airlines multiple times in
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my life. Yeah, I've always prioritized travel and experiencing different
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perspectives and cultures, and it's a big part of who
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I am.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so okay, So back to the book though from
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out of Captains Wanted, it's like it's it's filled with
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as as you put in in the description, different antidotes
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and the things that you've learned. What is one of
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the let's see, uh, what are the top three things
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that you've learned from from your travels? Did you actually
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put got to put it in the book?
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Speaker 2: Well, okay, I think number one is the the destination
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matters less than the direction. So focusing too much on
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the end destination can sometimes take away from the direction
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reality of your life or whatever journey you're on. And
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so yeah, I think I think that's that's one aspect
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when I go on, when I travel somewhere, when I
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wake up that day, I'm not thinking about that where
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I'm like the specific place that I'm going. I had.
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I might have a direction which I allow myself to
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kind of go down, but I remain open to whatever
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signs and signals and come along the way. And I
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think being open to those signs and symbols and intuition
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is one of the lessons that I've learned from travel,
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and I allow that definitely makes it into the book.
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Another idea is kind of similar, but it's this idea
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of yeah, really going back to this idea of intuition,
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allowing for intuition to arise. I think sometimes when we travel,
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we're so focused on going to point A, point B,
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point C, point B, and we kind of lose sight
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of allowing our heart to navigate. And sometimes it's nice
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to let go of the trip of Advisor top ten
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when you're on the road and just like settled into
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the journey, which means kind of going outside. You follow
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the sign you see it it has your favorite color
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on it or has a word that's been resonating with
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you recently, and you follow that, and then you talk
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to someone who then tells you about this story about
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something that has also risen in your life, and you're like, oh, wow,
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that sounds really cool. And then all of a sudden
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they are inviting into their home and you're eating a
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home cooked meal in this land. And so anyway, being
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open to the to the journey and being open to
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your heart being your guide, that's another one. And then
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I think the other one is often what you think
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a place is going to be isn't what it is.
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You know, we're sold ideas of what China is like
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or what the Middle East is like, and we can
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use that to limit ourselves and maybe not even go
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visit those places in the first place out of fear
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or out of these ideas that we've been We've we've
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kind of hold in our mind in certain containers. And
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knowing now after so much travel that the containers that
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information is packaged inside of and our society is usually
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quite flawed, I pretty much like quickly burst the bubble
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of those containers to allow myself to step into understanding
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the world around me as it is and not as
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it's being sold to me. And that's definitely an idea
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that makes it into the book.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds it sounds important because if you hold
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hold a place in this container or bubble and you
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and when you get there, you're going to react to people,
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maybe I can say in an unkind way, but an
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off putting way. But if you break the bubble, you
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you interact with people as though, hey, you're just another person.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And I think that's been a muscle that
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over time and different after so much experienced traveling you know,
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it does get developed. It's and it basically boils down
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to the concept that there's not a whole lot that
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separates me and do you, whoever you is in this case,
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it doesn't matter who the other person is. They're probably
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not that dissimilar than than than me. We have similar
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ontes and hopes and dreams and desires, and and knowing
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that makes it so that I can let go of
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those judgments or containers that I that I that I
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put people inside of, or that I'm told to put
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people inside of, to really understand that the world around
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me is really a reflection of me, and it's another
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opportunity to learn something else about me, so that when
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I go into different worlds and I see different perspectives
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and I have different reactions to those perspectives, it's actually
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really something that I get to explore as a possibility
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that already is inside of me, and that then becomes
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an option in my life that I can choose from,
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and it adds to the possibilities of my own discernment
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because then I can choose different realities for myself based
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on what I see out in the world. I mean,
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I could have a better imagination and imagine different considerations
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for my life. But going and traveling has allowed me
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to see different people live in different ways and that
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has challenged my own way of thinking of the way
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that I'm doing things, and that's helpful for me.
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Speaker 1: It kind of makes sense. And keeping everything in these
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little bubbles or containers, yeah.
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Speaker 2: I agree.
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Speaker 1: Do you find yourself experiencing like the joy of the
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people around you and sometimes maybe the pain? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, especially in places that are that you know,
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that go through difficult moments either politically or people don't
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have the same opportunities as they had in the in
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the United States or Canada, and it sort of like
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allows me to see how other people have to survive
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and cope and deal with hardship and usually ultimately it
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also allows me to see how how hardship is also
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incorporated into also people being able to find joy and
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happiness because a lot of times we make these assumptions,
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at least in our comfortable American lives at times that
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in order to be happy, we meet X Y and Z.
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And then you go to places that are in really
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tougher situations and those X Y and z's don't really
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necessarily exist, but they're still happy, and it makes you
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question all the things that you've ever thought you needed
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to be happy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, do we always need to have the for instance,
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didn't write new teslaver the brand new iPhone.
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Speaker 2: Right now, I've learned it is much simpler, much more
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simple than that. I mean, I got a chance to
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spend some time on our ranch in Mexico not that
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long ago. They didn't have electricity. It was a family
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of four and they were growing fruit trees and we're
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having just a beautiful time living in nature. No electricity,
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no nothing fancy. But it was a beautiful life that
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they had and they were happy. And I'm not even
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sure that I think they could and I'm not even
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sure they had hot water for showers, and yeah, that's
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a nice to have, But you realize it's much more
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simple than that what it takes to be happy.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So what truly makes Sandy happy? M hm?
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Speaker 2: I feel like connecting with people and truly feeling present
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with someone makes me feel happy. I think being out
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in nature makes me feel happy and feeling just the
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presence of the powerful force that nature is. Being in
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the ocean, waking up to a couple of coffee is
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really nice. Hm ti food makes me really happy.
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Speaker 4: Before Yeah, yeah, there's lots of there's lots of uh, well,
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mediocre coffee here.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've probably had. I had had the the
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uh I worked next to a I didn't realize at
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the time, the grandson to a Arab oil billionaire, right,
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and I was craping about baklava and how I just
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wanted good baklava. Right, he called home, had the baklava
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sent on a plane from uh the U A e
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To to the United States along with Turkish coffee. Wow,
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It's like it was still hot. I was like, how
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the did you do this?
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Speaker 2: Wow? Yeah, man, that's an example where like that's a
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guy who's got money, but he's also using it for
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some good. That was a good act. I like that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was. It was a beautiful act. And and
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uh we were kind of selfish about it because he
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has no nobody else in the place was really going
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to catch on to to the importance of baclavi and
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the and the coffee. So we kind of locked ourselves
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into the lunch room at one point and enjoy ourselves.
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But uh, but you compare like coffee like that to
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Starbucks and it's like yeah, no, no, I say, we
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have mediocre coffee here, but we have good Taye food.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man. I always make the joke that I
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want to be buried in Thai food. Shit, I am
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about it.
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Speaker 1: A good meal is one of one one of those
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great joys in life, right, it.
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Speaker 2: Really is, especially if you can I mean I enjoy
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a good meal by myself, don't get me wrong, but
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sharing food with others is also a great gift.
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Speaker 1: That was That was one of the one of the points. Right.
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It's like, especially if you can share it with someone, Yeah,
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it makes it experience that much better.
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Speaker 2: I actually started a company a long time ago that
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did okay. It was called Meal Sharing, and it was
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an idea where you could go and share a meal
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in a stranger's home in different parts of the world,
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and you know, sort of kind of like an Airbnb
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type of experience. We would go into someone's home and
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their food and it was just so magical, like and
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sometimes it didn't even matter about the food itself. Really,
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it hardly ever mattered. It was always about that connection.
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And that is something that is really where I feel
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the most joys in those unexpected moments where you're just
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sharing something human with someone else.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, is that kind of the point of life?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think. Well, I mean what's
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interesting is like a lot of our traumas, I think
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create these difficulties in trusting others because all traumas happen
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in the presence of other humans, and so we often
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create a lot of barriers, protective barriers to protect ourselves
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from being able to be hurt in those same ways.
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But I think one of the main goals of our
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healing journeys is to come back into connection with ourselves
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so that then we can trust being in connection with others.
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Because I do really believe that that is one of,
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if not the most important purpose of us as people
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and humans is to is to come together in our
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shared humanity. So I believe that deeply it's at the
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core of everything I do.
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Speaker 1: And yeah, that that that would be quite the core value,
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just to be able to share life with another human
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and the human of the time, well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and to be in presence with them, you know,
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like so many things that distract us away but really
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feel the presence of another person, to be there with
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them is such a It is such a gift.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, So what do you think we should do
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more of as human beings to make our place? Because
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we already live in a wonderful, beautiful universe. If we
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just look around ourselves with with the right set of
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lenses on, uh, you know, what is more of it
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that we can do to make ourselves a che being?
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See that beautiful place?
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Speaker 2: Yeah? I think we have to be aware of where
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we give our way, our own power, you know. And
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I notice it sometimes where with my phone, for example,
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I feel this like compulsive energy to be using it.
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I know that I'm numbing something. And if I allow
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myself to not numb, what will I feel? And usually
30:30
there's some discomfort, some vulnerability. And if I allow myself
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to feel that rather than numbing it away, then actually
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I realized that the discomfort that I was afraid of
30:42
isn't that uncomfortable, It doesn't last too long, and then
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I can stay present with myself and then with others.
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And then as another example, sometimes we get activated, we
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get nervous. We feel this regularly, and maybe we have
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some tools that each of us learn that works for us.
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For me, it could be working out or running or
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or you know, yoga or dance. I love dancing, don't
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take Meditation is one that people use as well, just
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something that can quiet the jitteriness, the anxiety, the activated
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feeling that sometimes you get, so that you can again
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be more present with yourself and be more present with
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your environment, because I think when we're present with our
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environment and with the people that are around us, then
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we are in touch with that beauty and that joy
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and that human experience. Otherwise we're just numbing. We're not
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feeling our hearts, we're not feeling our emotions. We're giving
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into fear, We're giving into distraction and numbing and protectiveness.
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And I think when we are so guarded and protective,
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we're not in the place to receive, We're not in
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a place to connect, and we're not in the place
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to experience the beauty of the world around us.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's a that is just well said. Sometimes
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you try to find that profound thing like no, no,
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he already did that.
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Speaker 2: What he said.
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Speaker 1: Sometimes it's that that is an important statement, right, just
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what he said. Yeah, I mean it's it sounds like
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you you you have a great life, you know, uh,
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a great way of living. Should I say, Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's important to note that a
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great life doesn't always mean that it is perfect or
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whatever that means.
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Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, And I.
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Speaker 2: Think we have to be careful because I think online
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what we see often is people just talking about how
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perfect and positive their lives are. That sort of toxic positivity.
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I don't know if you've heard that term a thrown around.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's always a facade showing you. They're only clipping
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out what is perfect. They're not showing you the rest
33:38
of the Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I mean, man, three nights ago,
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I had one of the worst food poisonings of my life.
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It was ten hours of extreme pain and I was
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I felt so alone, and I felt so scared, and
33:58
I felt so hope bliss, and I felt so Yeah.
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I just felt like no, maybe I was going to
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die or maybe I was always going to be like
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like this, And yeah, I mean we got I got
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through it, and that's that was a not let's put
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it wasn't a perfect experience. But at the same time,
34:28
you know, coming out of that experience, which I don't
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ever want to have again, I certainly have a deeper
34:36
appreciation for my health and a deeper appreciation for having
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the people in my life who care about me. And
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you know, when I come in contact with things that
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make me feel the fragility of life, it certainly makes
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me appreciate it more. And so I'm just saying there's
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an example of where difficult moments can also become lessons
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and and yeah, just they're part of They're part of
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the larger journey of life. And I'm thankful that I'm
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that I look at those moments of lessons. But for sure,
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it's not like every single day is rainbows and butterflies.
35:20
And I don't think that's the goal. I think the
35:22
goal is actually to feel more none less and come
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back into connection with others.
35:30
Speaker 1: That's a good one. Makes it's a good one, you know,
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feel more numb.
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Speaker 2: Less, yeah, feel more nomb less. Yeah.
35:39
Speaker 1: Yeah. It seems that that there's a groups of people
35:45
out there that want us to keep numbing ourselves so
35:48
they can sell us more crap whatever, whatever, whatever their
35:54
agenda is.
35:55
Speaker 2: Right, Well, it's it's easy. It's easy to fall under
35:59
that trap because as we do it so easily to ourselves,
36:02
at any sign of discomfort, we just sort of go
36:05
to the place that we're not going to be able
36:07
to tolerate it, and so we're very quick to choose numbing
36:12
over feeling. And I think that maybe our child in
36:17
us once felt that every single emotion was going to
36:21
be permanent, and so we numbed out as a way
36:26
to avoid that feeling. But at all adults knows that
36:31
certain feelings are going to be temporary and that we
36:33
have the tools to move through it. So it's at
36:36
times it's kind of about like kind of calming the
36:39
part of us down that still buys into the idea
36:41
that this period that you're in is going to be
36:44
forever and kind of talking through it with yourself and
36:49
being like, eh, this is also going to pass, and
36:53
what you're experiencing is real. I don't want you to
36:55
not feel it. Let's feel this whole thing that we're
36:58
going through. But also overly attached to the idea that
37:03
this is how it's always going to be. Let's allow
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ourselves to feel it, because when we allow our feelings
37:07
to kind of flow through us, they don't really last
37:09
that loll It's it's really actually the we when we
37:15
stay so like in that stuckness of like, oh this
37:19
is terrible, this is terrible. This is going to suck
37:21
that we stay longer in it. So feeling is also
37:26
a way to kind of just allow for the flow
37:29
to move through us. And on the other side of it,
37:33
I think is a deeper way of living which allows
37:37
me to experience the highs and the lows and the
37:41
middle zone two which I'm just now getting used to myself,
37:47
and and kind of like you sort of add on
37:50
lenses to your life that like create this world where
37:55
you see you see the world around you in all
37:58
the different hues that are actually out there, not just
38:01
the certain ones that you want to see.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. So let the experience flow
38:10
through you. Yeah, kind of kind of keep the ride going,
38:15
you know. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah.
38:19
So with that being said, what are the best ways
38:23
to get your book?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, all the ways that people buy books, Captain Wanted
38:30
is available, there's certainly it's certainly on Amazon. Comes out
38:35
officially February eleventh, of twenty twenty five. And I also
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think people would like to follow my journey potentially if
38:48
some of this resonates with them on my Instagram, which
38:52
currently is shable Mania, I might be changing at the
38:55
Shavele Media. But it's andres shableman, you'll find me. It's
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like there's no one else will my name out there?
39:02
And yeah, I think more so than promoting the book,
39:08
I think about resonance. So if anything that I'm saying
39:12
resonates with you and becomes one of those like repetitive
39:16
symbols that have been that's been like you know, showing
39:19
up in your world somehow. If something like that resonates
39:23
with you, then yeah, I encourage you to get the book.
39:25
And if it doesn't, that's all good too.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. So again, uh so we're going to look for
39:33
you on Instagram to follow you too.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, and YouTube, all that.
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Speaker 1: Stuff is exactly because I had a lot of fun
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watching some of your YouTube episodes. That was it was.
39:45
It was a lot of fun and you might learn
39:49
a thing or two about different places if you all
39:53
on YouTube. Also, it was also a shavel Mania, wasn't it.
39:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, shavel Mania on YouTube And and TikTok, which we're
40:01
still going strong on TikTok.
40:05
Speaker 1: Until he gets banned. Oh well.
40:09
Speaker 2: No, I have like twenty four thousand followers on TikTok,
40:11
more than any other on any other platform. So it
40:15
would be a big loss for me. But you know, yeah,
40:19
they're most I think most of my fans on TikTok
40:21
are Moroccan because on my Morocco video, this one influencer
40:25
with like four million followers. His name is Jamal Alpha.
40:28
He he promoted my Morocco episode. And so now when
40:34
I put out other contents, the content that the Moroccans
40:37
are like, hey, when are you going back to Morocco?
40:45
Speaker 1: Hey? You Actually, we take the follows, the views, wherever,
40:49
wherever they're from.
40:50
Speaker 2: Right, I'll shout out to my Moroccan.
40:55
Speaker 1: There we go. I had to put I had to
40:59
put that in the hashtags Morocco.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, said, I'm trying to get out of the Moroccan Instagram,
41:06
but I can't. I'm Moroccan followers. They they they're my
41:10
There are my bread and butter right now.
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Speaker 1: All right, So it's been great talking to you.
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Speaker 2: Uh you too?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, So we'll make sure that we share your Instagram,
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we share your YouTube and and help hopefully some some
41:28
people buy the book too. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: I would love that, and and feel free to reach out.
41:34
I want to hear how these expressions resonate with people.
41:40
So I'm available reach out hit me up on Instagram.
41:44
I I would love to hear how my experiences affect
41:50
your world.
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Speaker 1: Awesome? All right, yeah, so thank you Andy, it's been
41:55
great talking to you again, and thank you everybody for listening,
41:59
and see you next time.
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Speaker 2: Take care.
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