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Slayer: From Origins To Thrash Metal Legends [Episode 304] · Booked On Rock with Eric Senich

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  Speaker 1: On this episode of Booked on Rock. It's the story
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  Speaker 1: of Slayer, the music, the mayhem, the metal all coming
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  Speaker 1: up next with author d X Ferris.
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  Speaker 2: Totally rock and roll. I mean, I'll leave you you're
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  Speaker 2: reading Little Hans says, it's time to rock and roll,
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  Speaker 2: rock band, roll up.
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  Speaker 1: I totally booked. Hey guys, welcome back to Booked on
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  Speaker 1: Rock andmeric Senach first time guest on the show. DX Ferris.
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  Speaker 1: By the way, we call you DX Ferris, I know
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  Speaker 1: you go by Ferris and the emails.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody I like, including my wife, called me Ferris.
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  Speaker 2: Michael you having me on here with all your illustries. Guests,
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  Speaker 2: please please consider yourself eligible for the friends.
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  Speaker 1: Is the author of Slayer sixty six and two thirds,
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  Speaker 1: a metal band biography. This is the fourth edition of
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  Speaker 1: the book. It's been selling since twenty thirteen. It's piggybacking
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  Speaker 1: off of your thirty three and a third book about
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  Speaker 1: Slayer's Rain and Blood Right.
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  Speaker 2: This fourth edition spun out on my weekly podcast for
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years now. I've been doing a weekly
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  Speaker 2: podcast called talkin Slayer, a metal podcast and half assed
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  Speaker 2: audio book. So what I started doing two years ago
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  Speaker 2: was I was just reading a chapter or two from
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  Speaker 2: the book every week. And then right when it was
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  Speaker 2: nearly done and I had the audio book nearly ready
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  Speaker 2: to go, Slayer the one band that looked like they
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  Speaker 2: were going to retire and stay retire and never play again,
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  Speaker 2: they got back together. So that forced my hand. That
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  Speaker 2: made me update a lot of things, that made me
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  Speaker 2: witness some things. And next thing, you know, a year later,
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  Speaker 2: much bigger version of the book. Previous version of the
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  Speaker 2: book was three hundred and fifty pages, had four hundred
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  Speaker 2: and fifty research citations and notes. That kind of thing.
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  Speaker 2: New version of it, the longest version of the fourth edition,
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  Speaker 2: run six hundred and thirty nine pages and has seven
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  Speaker 2: hundred and ninety five search citations. And then wow, new
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  Speaker 2: things have come to light. Can I curse on this
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  Speaker 2: or oh?
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  Speaker 1: Absolutely be all means I want you to.
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  Speaker 2: I demand so, to quote a former Metallica roadie who
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  Speaker 2: may or may not be a real person, new shit
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  Speaker 2: has come to light in the world of Slayer.
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  Speaker 1: Slayer fans must love the book.
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  Speaker 2: The feedback so far has been very positive. You know,
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  Speaker 2: there are guys that are and when I say guys,
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  Speaker 2: the fans of the show are almost entirely guys, So
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  Speaker 2: I'm not saying that in a neglige and sense. We
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  Speaker 2: do have other people that listen, but they've been very
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  Speaker 2: supportive the whole time. I just got my first print
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  Speaker 2: review of it, which is my head's still spinning from it.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was hoping people would like it, but
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  Speaker 2: I couldn't have written a review that good for myself.
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  Speaker 2: The fans like it, the fans like how they look.
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  Speaker 2: It blows my mind that people have bought this four
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  Speaker 2: times now, but every time it's a lot different.
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  Speaker 1: You know, when did you become a fan of Slayer?
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  Speaker 1: What got you hooked on the band?
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  Speaker 2: I've read a review of the Health Weights album. It's
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  Speaker 2: their second proper album, way back in like nineteen eighty five,
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  Speaker 2: and it made it sound like it was some kind
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  Speaker 2: of thrash metal masterpiece. Thrash metal was new at the time.
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  Speaker 2: Metallica was doing It's flair, it was doing it and Trax.
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't that deep into the scene. I don't think
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  Speaker 2: I even knew Mega Death yet, so the review made
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  Speaker 2: it sound interesting. You remember how it was, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you read a review and cream metal close up and
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  Speaker 2: you have ten bucks to spend for the week, so
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  Speaker 2: you have to pick one record, and I picked Hell
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  Speaker 2: it Weights. So I put the record on and it's
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  Speaker 2: just this kind of slow chug going on. It's just
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  Speaker 2: this groove like dunt dunk a dunk. And after a minute,
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  Speaker 2: I thought, like, what the hell is this? Like this
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  Speaker 2: is supposed to be a thrash metal masterpiece. This is boring.
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  Speaker 2: What is this? It's just this slow groove and then
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  Speaker 2: like out of nowhere, the floor just dropped out from
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  Speaker 2: under me and he kicked into this higher gear and
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  Speaker 2: it was off to the races, and like I got
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  Speaker 2: goosebumps just about it, and it was like I could
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  Speaker 2: feel reality crumbling around me and nothing has ever been
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  Speaker 2: the same.
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  Speaker 1: That's so cool.
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  Speaker 2: They hooked me a little bit early, a little bit
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  Speaker 2: late with their second album, and that was forty years
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  Speaker 2: ago now, and I've never I mean, I've done some
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  Speaker 2: adult things, I've had some various jobs over the intervening
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  Speaker 2: forty years. I have never sat down with something to
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  Speaker 2: write within my hand and not made at least one pentagram.
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  Speaker 1: Fans of music know that story very well. I've had
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  Speaker 1: that with Van Helen and so many people could probably
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  Speaker 1: relate a story just like that with their favorite band.
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  Speaker 1: Take us back to the beginning of how Slay formed.
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  Speaker 1: They're from Huntington Park, California. Right.
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  Speaker 2: They're from a bunch of nearby neighborhoods in south east
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  Speaker 2: Los Angeles. There's Maywood, Tom Mariah, Carrie King, Huntington Park area.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody is basically adjacent to Watts, which is one of
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  Speaker 2: the central pivotal seismic scenes of racial tension in America,
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  Speaker 2: and Slayer grew up around there. Ethnically diverse band, there
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  Speaker 2: were a bunch of guys that had music just calling
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  Speaker 2: their name. To one degree. Tom Mariah, the singer, older
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  Speaker 2: than the other guys. For a few years, he was
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  Speaker 2: content to play in cover bands, just doing the music thing.
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  Speaker 2: Carrie King was very much a Judas Priest guy, died
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  Speaker 2: in the wool, metal guy, the kind of guy that
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  Speaker 2: hated rap on general principle, hated punk on general principle,
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  Speaker 2: just wanted to be in a metal band. Dave Lombardo
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  Speaker 2: of Cuban Extraction his parents are Cuban. He's full blooded Cuban.
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  Speaker 2: He grew up in those neighborhoods listening to everything, listening
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  Speaker 2: to what American music was at that time, everything plus
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  Speaker 2: going to Cuban clubs, I'm seeing a lot of that
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  Speaker 2: ethnic music and that just blew his mind. But the
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  Speaker 2: real star of the lineup, the MVP, the one that
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  Speaker 2: part of what I do in the book is I
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  Speaker 2: take a lot of fan surveys, so I'm not just
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  Speaker 2: saying this is what I think, I'm saying this is
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  Speaker 2: what fans think in general. Well, I think it was
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  Speaker 2: something like sixty percent of fans said that the MVP
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  Speaker 2: from the classic lineup was the late great Jeff Hannerman.
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  Speaker 2: And Jeff Hannerman was a guy that was very much
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  Speaker 2: into being formed in eighty one eighty two, So they
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  Speaker 2: were among those generations of people that grew up listened
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  Speaker 2: to a very different kind of thing that we think
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  Speaker 2: of when we think heavy metal. A lot of Van Halen,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of classic rock, a lot of Scorpions. But
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  Speaker 2: Jeff was super into punk, hardcore punk, and that really
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  Speaker 2: gave him a different edge that mixed with all the
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  Speaker 2: different elements he brought to the table. Jeff was the
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  Speaker 2: kind of guy that would bring a date to a
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  Speaker 2: party and see that the band was playing, and he
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  Speaker 2: would ignore the date and go slam dance, and he's
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  Speaker 2: the guy that wrote most of their best stuff, and
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  Speaker 2: he is the guy who, shockingly surprisingly it still doesn't
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  Speaker 2: feel real, died suddenly in twenty thirteen.
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  Speaker 1: Crazy Yeah. Rick Rubins quoted in the book, he said,
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  Speaker 1: although he might have been the quietest member of the
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  Speaker 1: band personally, Jeff was the heart and soul musically.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Without Jeff, I think Slayer winds up being
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Carrie King would have been successful doing absolutely
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  Speaker 2: anything he wanted to do if he'd have been a
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  Speaker 2: parts inspector or just a metal guitarist. But Jeff really
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  Speaker 2: gave it an edge and brought it to a whole
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  Speaker 2: new different place. Wrote hardcore influenced songs, but he also
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  Speaker 2: wrote a lot of mythic songs, big metal stuff on
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  Speaker 2: one of their signature albums. I just figured this out
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  Speaker 2: on Seasons in the Abyss, when the band's solo Jeff
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  Speaker 2: leads off seven out of ten times on that record,
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  Speaker 2: so very much set the tone for Slayer.
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  Speaker 1: Hannaman came up with the name Slayer, but there's a
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  Speaker 1: story that's been out there that's not true that it
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  Speaker 1: came from the movie from nights En eighty one.
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  Speaker 2: Dragon Slayer Yeah, that's been out there for years. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: and it's a reasonable assumption to look at that and
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  Speaker 2: connect it to but reasonable assumptions tend not to be correct,
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  Speaker 2: and I try not to do that thing as a
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  Speaker 2: right now.
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  Speaker 1: The logo. Lombardo designed the logo.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Dave Lombardo says he designed the logo. I was
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  Speaker 2: not there, but he thought Slayer slicing, slashing, violence, it
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  Speaker 2: should look like somebody cut it into something, and it does.
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  Speaker 2: So that's the origins of the Slayer logo. And as
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  Speaker 2: I was recovering the book, the slicing Slayer logo, the
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  Speaker 2: carving Slayer that has become one of the unique distinctions
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  Speaker 2: of Slayer fans.
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  Speaker 1: It's iconic.
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  Speaker 2: No fans are more ready to carve the band's logo
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  Speaker 2: into their flesh.
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  Speaker 1: Dan Slayer is tom Ria love This born on six'
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  Speaker 1: six sixty. One, yeah birthday is six Six and he's
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  Speaker 1: made a living singing lyrics Like Hail. Satan, yes and
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  Speaker 1: he hails from a Devout catholic.
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  Speaker 2: Family, yes his family were from an extreme. Group his
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  Speaker 2: Sister jeanette wrote a book about growing up and what
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  Speaker 2: that was like and the tension between those two aspects.
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  Speaker 1: Was he rebelling against?
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  Speaker 2: That, no it's really. Interesting one of the chapters in
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  Speaker 2: the book is a book report About jeanette's, book BECAUSE
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  Speaker 2: i wanted to let people know about, it BUT i
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  Speaker 2: didn't want to steal too many of her ideas and her,
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  Speaker 2: content AND i wanted people to know about. That it's
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  Speaker 2: a respectful kind of. Tension his parents didn't love it,
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  Speaker 2: always but they respected him doing his, thing and he
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  Speaker 2: and his dad have some, tensions and there's a real
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  Speaker 2: heartfelt reconciliation between those. Two, tom as far AS i,
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  Speaker 2: know is the only one that has any kind of
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  Speaker 2: organized or serious religious faith in the. Band but he's
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  Speaker 2: the mouthpiece of the, band so he comes at the
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  Speaker 2: band's lyrics like an, editor like an, actor like a.
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  Speaker 1: Director he's had some fascination with serial, killers, right he.
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  Speaker 2: Does you, know one of the the staples Of slayer
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  Speaker 2: content is war, death serial, killers and he's always been
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  Speaker 2: obsessed with. Those you, know some of the guys in
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  Speaker 2: the band read more than, others And tom has always
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  Speaker 2: been into serial.
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  Speaker 1: Killers Dave, lombardo He's slayer's most acclaimed and prolific. Musician
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  Speaker 1: you then add quote his distinctions only damaged his tenuous
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  Speaker 1: status in the. Group him being the most talented player
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  Speaker 1: in the group didn't sit well with the other, guys
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  Speaker 1: and you say that he was doomed to be at
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  Speaker 1: the bottom position In slayer's hierarchy for as long as
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  Speaker 1: he could take. It he battled with the other band
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  Speaker 1: members from the, start or did they get along for a?
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  Speaker 1: While they're in the.
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  Speaker 2: Beginning they are a band of, brothers and is, such
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  Speaker 2: there is some tension. There very early, On dave didn't
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  Speaker 2: play a show because he was sick and the rest
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  Speaker 2: of the guys are such. Workaholics Carrie, king when he
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  Speaker 2: told me the story in two thousand and seven or,
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  Speaker 2: whatever he still couldn't wrap his brain around, It like
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  Speaker 2: he was, sick so he didn't play a. Show like
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  Speaker 2: WHAT i. Don't it's like there's no sick in, metal,
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  Speaker 2: Dude like we. Go So dave always wanted to live
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  Speaker 2: like something of a reasonable normal human, being And slayer
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  Speaker 2: don't really do. That they live like these, extreme, dedicated focused.
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  Speaker 2: Athletes really early, on when they got a van that
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  Speaker 2: they could drive around the country and tour, in they've, realized,
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  Speaker 2: hey there's a, bunk there's room for, me and there's
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  Speaker 2: room for my girlfriend, fiance future, Wife she's coming with,
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  Speaker 2: us and that created a, big long lasting ripple effect
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  Speaker 2: that led to a. Schism over the, years he made
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  Speaker 2: a few power plays to be more influential in the
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  Speaker 2: band's business, affairs to have more of a say in
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  Speaker 2: what was going, on to be a pivotal, guy and
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  Speaker 2: those worked out with the increasingly negative.
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  Speaker 1: Repercussions he's been in and out of the, Band.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah in and out of the, band and finally in twenty,
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  Speaker 2: thirteen they had enough and he made a very, misguided,
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  Speaker 2: misinformed and retrospect big mistake that ultimately got him booted
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  Speaker 2: from the.
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  Speaker 1: Group let's talk About Kerry. King you call me alpha
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  Speaker 1: dog in The slatannic. Pack the fans mostly blame him
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  Speaker 1: For lombardo's, Firing but is he misunderstood by the. Fans
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  Speaker 1: there's a chapter in your, book by the, way titled
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  Speaker 1: is Carry king a? Dick it's a good.
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  Speaker 2: Question, Yeah Kerry king is an. Achiever he is the
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  Speaker 2: captain of the. Band and if you want to get anything,
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  Speaker 2: done you have to step on some, toes and you
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  Speaker 2: have to hurt some. Feelings and you, know at a
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  Speaker 2: certain point his leadership style stops taking everybody else's feelings
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  Speaker 2: into account and, says, listen we're doing it my way
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  Speaker 2: or the. Highway by the, Way, dave you get the highway.
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  Speaker 1: Again those early, days they signed With Metal, blade AND
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  Speaker 1: i believe what their first album was self. Funded it
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  Speaker 1: was with their own. Money is that what the story? Is,
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  Speaker 1: yeah They Tom ariah's. MONEY i think. Right he made some.
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  Speaker 2: Money, Yeah tom got some money from his. Dad But
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  Speaker 2: tom is the only one that has ever had a
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  Speaker 2: full time. Job he was a respiratory. Therapist So slayer
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  Speaker 2: financed that. Album But slayer do not own that, album
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  Speaker 2: which is fairly common in the recording. Business But tom
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  Speaker 2: doesn't see it that. Way he's still out about that.
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  Speaker 2: Now Jeff hanneman stayed friends With Brian spleegel And Metal
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  Speaker 2: blade for a long. Time that was one of the
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  Speaker 2: few people that he was really friendly with and kept
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  Speaker 2: in contact. With Carrie king still likes. Him Dave lombardo
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  Speaker 2: still cool with. Him but that Rubbed tom the wrong way.
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  Speaker 1: Certainly those early, days we're not talking about a band
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  Speaker 1: that was going to have a hit single on the,
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  Speaker 1: radio so they really had to work hard to develop their.
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  Speaker 1: Following they. Did there was an underground. Following how quickly
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  Speaker 1: did that develop? It and how did they go about?
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  Speaker 1: That were they just playing how many five six nights a?
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  Speaker 1: Week were they just out there just constantly?
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  Speaker 2: Playing never that, many but they were out there, constantly
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  Speaker 2: just playing one show a month and then two and then,
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  Speaker 2: more playing wherever they. Could In Los, angeles they would
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  Speaker 2: play the Country. Club they played a lot of shows
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  Speaker 2: with suicidal tendencies in the early, days but they would
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  Speaker 2: also pull up on the back of a truck and
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  Speaker 2: play in empty industrial parks at the. Time and eventually
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  Speaker 2: they went north to The Bay area scene With, metallica
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  Speaker 2: with so many great talents up, there Machine, Head, exodus
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  Speaker 2: well Machine head Later, Exodus, Violence Death, angel and they
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  Speaker 2: were really part of building that scene as well.
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  Speaker 1: Too, yes it's like a grassroots. Thing people started talking
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  Speaker 1: you got to check out this, band and it grew
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  Speaker 1: and it, grew and Eventually rain And blood is their third.
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  Speaker 1: Album eventually they Signed this Is. Crazy they signed With
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  Speaker 1: Russell simmons And Rick rubin's newly found Deaf Jam, records
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  Speaker 1: then a largely hip hop based.
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  Speaker 2: Label, yeah entirely hip?
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  Speaker 1: Hop, yeah how did this all come? TOGETHER a couple different?
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  Speaker 2: Ways Rick rubin now has worked with The last TIME
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  Speaker 2: i did the math on it's something like ten percent
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: of The rock And Roll hall Of fame. Inductees, wow
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  Speaker 2: And nobody's. Close that was like twice What Phil spector had.
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  Speaker 2: Done so he's worked with. Everybody And rain And blood
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  Speaker 2: Was rick's first rock. Record this was his first step
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: into show in the world what he could do as a.
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  Speaker 2: Producer comes out right around the same time As The
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  Speaker 2: Beastie Boys' license To. Ill he's still considered a real
• 15:06
  Speaker 2: anomally some weird looking white guy with long hair and
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  Speaker 2: a leather, jacket but he works with rat. Bands in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen eighty, six that was. Weird that just didn't happen a.
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  Speaker 2: Lot he's liked one or the. Other And Bill adler
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  Speaker 2: one of the many people from DEAF gm back in the.
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  Speaker 2: Day he credits DEF gm for reintegrating popular. Music it
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  Speaker 2: was the label that really said, listen it's not black or.
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  Speaker 2: White there's two kinds of, music good and, bad and
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  Speaker 2: we make good. Music Rick rubin saw them play In
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  Speaker 2: New york one night and he just had to have.
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  Speaker 2: Them he needed more so instead of you, know after
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  Speaker 2: working with RUN, dmc after working With Beastie boys after
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  Speaker 2: working with rat Bands Helo coolja and next thing he Wanted.
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  Speaker 2: Slayer he just had to have.
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  Speaker 1: It which album Is Carrie king? On he's On beasties
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  Speaker 1: Or he's On RUN. Dmc is he on? Both he plays, guitar.
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  Speaker 2: Plays on the First Beastie boys, Album he's On No
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  Speaker 2: Sleep Till, Brooklyn and you, know, Interestingly No Sleep Till
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  Speaker 2: brooklyn appears in the Third guardians of The galaxy, movie
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  Speaker 2: which is curated by Director James, gunn who's a big
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  Speaker 2: metal guy and just has a great sense of. Music
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  Speaker 2: and in the very action climax of the whole, Trilogy
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  Speaker 2: Carrie king solo was. Playing so when you need, action
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  Speaker 2: when you need, violence when you need, groove when you
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  Speaker 2: need a compelling, Narrative Carrie king's music somehow fits into,
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  Speaker 1: six to Two, thirds a metal band, biography the fourth edition.
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  Speaker 1: Out now we're talking with the, Author ferris aka D X.
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  Speaker 2: Ferris do you Like DAVID x like X Ray ferris Leg, mueller.
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  Speaker 1: You're right extensively about the band's third, Album Raining blood
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  Speaker 1: from eighty. Six this is the one that's under the
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  Speaker 1: Def jam record. Label this is considered not just by
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  Speaker 1: the fans their, best but this is one of the
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  Speaker 1: most legendary thrash metal albums of all.
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  Speaker 2: Time it is it's The the First slayer BOOK i
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  Speaker 2: wrote was for the thirty three and a third, series
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  Speaker 2: and thirty three and the third is a series of
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: books about or inspired by classic, albums and my successful
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: pitch to them was if you're gonna because there was
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: not a metal album in the series at that, point
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  Speaker 2: my pitch to them, was if you're going to write
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  Speaker 2: about a metal, album this is the one you. Have Rick,
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  Speaker 2: rubin who worked with so Many hall Of fame, artists
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  Speaker 2: engineered By Andy, wallace whose incredible body of. WORK i,
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  Speaker 2: mean he Produced Jeff Buckley's, grace which is as good as,
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  Speaker 2: albums yet he did what he could For Guns N',
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: Roses Chinese, democracy and he has mixed and mastered albums
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  Speaker 2: by pretty much. Everybody and that first book THAT i,
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  Speaker 2: Wrote slayer thirty three and a, Third rain And, blood
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  Speaker 2: that oddly features the only real profile Of Andy wallace
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  Speaker 2: THAT i have ever really, Seen like nobody's done a
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  Speaker 2: real look at his, career and that is a career
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  Speaker 2: that has so many. Highs somebody should get on.
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  Speaker 1: That you, know he plays an important role because It's
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  Speaker 1: Rick rubin who calls On andy to help him with
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  Speaker 1: things that he's not really all. THAT i don't know
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  Speaker 1: all that versed.
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  Speaker 2: In rick and his running relationship With slayers is one
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  Speaker 2: of the backbones of the. Book he spends almost the
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  Speaker 2: entire rest of their career With, slayer working, together partnering
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  Speaker 2: to various, degrees and in looking at his relationship With,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: slayer you see how he, Works you see how they.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Work you can infer a lot of things about the
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  Speaker 2: record business from, that and that's how they work. Together
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  Speaker 2: so one of the THINGS i did in this version
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  Speaker 2: of the book IS i have a running feature called
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  Speaker 2: The Rick Rubin. Watch you, know WHEN i talk about
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  Speaker 2: my rock and roll bond OF, FIDS i, SAY i
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: have a master's degree In, SLAYER i have a PhD
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  Speaker 2: In Donnie, iris and my undergraduate is in WHAT i
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  Speaker 2: Call Rick. Rubinology because he's such a fascinating. Guy rick
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  Speaker 2: is a guy that does know. It he says he
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  Speaker 2: does not know anything about technical. Recording he says he's
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  Speaker 2: not an. Engineer he says he doesn't know his way
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  Speaker 2: around the, studio but he knows everything about the. Studio
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  Speaker 2: he just doesn't get involved in the stuff that takes
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  Speaker 2: twelve hours of sitting behind the. Board he's totally up
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  Speaker 2: to date on recording and techniques and sonic, science and
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: he knows how things, work so he had a vision
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  Speaker 2: For rain And. Blood he didn't like the way The metallica,
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  Speaker 2: albums so as we're discussing the, book he had a
• 20:24
  Speaker 2: vision for everything sounding like not one big wash of
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  Speaker 2: base and one aggressive.
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  Speaker 1: Wave of.
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  Speaker 2: Sound he just wanted things to be a, pulse And
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  Speaker 2: Andy wallace was the guy that was able to take
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  Speaker 2: that and just scientifically calibrated into a, lethal focused.
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  Speaker 1: Force angel Of death is often voted or ranked at
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  Speaker 1: the top as maybe the band's, greatest and it's the
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  Speaker 1: lead track on this, album but Post, mortem Reraining, blood
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  Speaker 1: the way that album ends is. Perfect it is what's
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  Speaker 1: the most underrated track on that? Album for? You ooh
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  Speaker 1: UNDER i don't.
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  Speaker 2: Know that it is, Underrated but my favorite is Not Raining,
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  Speaker 2: blood and my favorite is not the opening Song Angel.
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  Speaker 2: Death you, know both of which are incredible. Tunes but
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  Speaker 2: the song Post, mortem like so many of their, songs
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  Speaker 2: is just something that is so. Tootemic it's hard to.
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  Speaker 2: Explain you. KNOW i got a review of the book
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  Speaker 2: once and, said, oh he doesn't say much about Post.
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  Speaker 2: Mortem he just, well the band didn't have much to
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  Speaker 2: say about. IT i said EVERYTHING i could say about.
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  Speaker 2: It it's a song that, just you, know like so
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: much A. Slayer it has a dark magnetic quality to.
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  Speaker 2: IT i mean some of my favorite metal. Lyrics taste
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  Speaker 2: Your blood as it trickles through the. Air it has
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  Speaker 2: just a genuine menace to. IT a lot of fans
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  Speaker 2: consider those last two, songs Post mortem And Raining. Blood
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  Speaker 2: they consider them one, song one, piece and So Raining
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  Speaker 2: blood is a song that has its own opening. Act
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  Speaker 2: how many songs are like?
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  Speaker 1: That in the, nineties so many bands struggled amidst the grunge.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Era how Did slayer manage through? That material they released was?
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  Speaker 1: Okay you said in the, Book.
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  Speaker 2: YEAH i mean the probably what is GENERALLY i like,
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  Speaker 2: It but what is generally considered the low point of
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  Speaker 2: their career is the nineteen ninety eight Album The abolis And,
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  Speaker 2: musica which you can argue whether it's a new metal
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: album And Capitol you or Umlat. You definitely not a thrash.
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  Speaker 2: Album it's them doing something. DIFFERENT i liked it at the.
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  Speaker 2: TIME i don't like it as much, now BUT i
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: still listen to it a. Lot but it was polarizing
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the way that people look back At Metallica's Saint anger.
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  Speaker 2: Now it was basically the way they look at the
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: abolis and. MUSICA a lot of metal bands really hit
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  Speaker 2: bottom in nineteen ninety, nine and that TOUR i saw
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: A slayer play a club with the capacity of a,
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: thousand give or take metropol In. Pittsburgh Iron maiden played
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: that club that, tour or right around, Then Iron, maiden
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: The Mighty Iron maiden in. Clubs now that was With Plays,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Bailey it wasn't With Bruce. Dickinson but all those bands
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  Speaker 2: for a while were downgraded into much smaller, venues even the.
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  Speaker 1: Biggest some of them were even.
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  Speaker 2: Unemployed, yeah so the nineties very different time for Not,
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  Speaker 2: slayer but all metal.
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  Speaker 1: Bands lineup changes in the nineties as. Well lombardo in
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  Speaker 1: and out of the. Lineup we talked about that and
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  Speaker 1: he returned in the twenty twenty Thirteen let's get to.
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  Speaker 1: It he made some dramatic allegations that rupture the.
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  Speaker 2: Band what, Happened, Yeah dave got a hold of some
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: financial documents that he thought said certain things about where
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: the money was, going and the band looked at. Those
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: the band looked at his account of. Things they, will you,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: know certainly talk to, management and at the end of the,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: Day Dave lombardo was no longer in the, band and
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: they continued on with the same, management SO i got
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: to think that they've got some bad information.
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  Speaker 1: There, this by the, way is broken down the book.
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  Speaker 1: TOO i mean you get into tell there isn't anything
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  Speaker 1: left out in this. Book anything and everything you want
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  Speaker 1: to know about the band is in this.
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: WAY i, TRY i. Tried there are a couple Other slayer,
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  Speaker 2: books AND i tried to be fair to them and
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: not lift all their. Stuff so you, know any serious
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: topic requires more than one. Book But i'd like to
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  Speaker 2: THINK i went all out with.
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  Speaker 1: It there are those common tropes among rock, bands metal.
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  Speaker 1: Bands but it's true, though like the story you told
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: About lombardo with his girlfriend and that caused. Issues but
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: there's always the legal. Issues there's, money there's who's getting credit.
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  Speaker 1: Publishing it's, inevitable it. Seems.
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  Speaker 2: YEAH i mean it's really. INTERESTING i mean the subtitle
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  Speaker 2: the short version of the, book And i'll spare you
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the long. One but the short version of the book
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  Speaker 2: title Is slayers sixty six and two thirds A Metal
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: Band biography dot dot, dot and that is a long
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: ellipses or how Fucking slayer kicked fucking ass so my
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: question When i'm writing about bands or pretty much anything
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: is not what was?
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  Speaker 1: That?
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  Speaker 2: Like my question is how did you do? That SO
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: sa part of a group of bands known as The
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Big four or the Big american rash metal, Band, Slayer, Metallica,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Anthrax Make It. Death those are the ones that pretty
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  Speaker 2: much Put slayer on the on the, map that put
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: thrash metal on the, map that showed that this new
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: kind of form of metal was a. Thing so in
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: the nineteen, eighties the question was how far can this music?
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  Speaker 2: Go and In metallica and In slayer we get answers to.
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  Speaker 2: That metallica showed that it can. Go all the way
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  Speaker 2: is how far it can. Go metallica starts off with
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: this pretty, nasty, ugly aggressive metal band with nothing going
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: for them in traditional musical business, qualities not good looking,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: guys not that. Catch he's certainly not. Popular but over
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: the next ten years they would record an album and
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: release it that is on par with sales Wise Pink,
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: floyd The. Eagles it's as big as he. Gets So
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  Speaker 2: metallica show how far you can go and how big
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  Speaker 2: you can. Get But, slayer the lesson you can get
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  Speaker 2: from them is how far can you go being an, extreme, inaccessible, controversial,
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  Speaker 2: aggressive confrontational. Band can you make a living doing? That
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  Speaker 2: slayer show you how to do.
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  Speaker 1: back to the. Show june twenty ten is when The
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: Big four played together for the very first TIME Metallicus, Layer, Megadeth.
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  Speaker 1: Anthrax you called it the metal event of a lifetime
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  Speaker 1: in the Book The Four. Bands they get along well
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  Speaker 1: what's the relationship like among those four?
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: Bands, rivals, frenemies sometimes, friends you know, again brothers in a.
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  Speaker 2: Sense they all have common. Roots they've known each other,
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: forever but after a, while people of a certain stature
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: have different opinions about things and how to go about.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Them To Carrie, king he can't Believe metallica don't bang
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: their head on stage. Anymore to, him that's just an unforgivable.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Sin now, eventually of Course Tom riah couldn't do it,
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Either But Carrie king will rage against all forms of
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: attrition until he cannot.
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  Speaker 1: Anymore hey him and died of liver failure twenty, thirteen a.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Shock the start of the decline of his health is
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: in twenty. Eleven what? Happened he said he was bitten
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  Speaker 1: by a.
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  Speaker 2: Spider, yeah he's hanging out in the, desert lounging in
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: a as he remembers, it he was in a hot
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: tub and he felt something bite. Him next thing you,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: know he has a. Fever his arm is swelling. Up But,
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: jeff being a hard headed, guy was out in the,
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: desert was having a good. Time didn't want that to.
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: Stop so it takes him something like ten days before
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: he goes. Home by the time he gets, home his
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: arm is swelling up to the point that he can
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: barely fit in his. Jacket he wants to go upstairs
• 28:40
  Speaker 2: and fall, asleep and correctly reasonably think. Gosh his wife,
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: says you're not going upstairs and falling. Asleep we're taking
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: you to the. Er they get to the er and
• 28:51
  Speaker 2: the doctor's eyes bug out of their head and, like,
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: oh it's time for. SURGERY a couple hours, later you'd
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: have been. Dead so what that spider bite led to
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: was a, hallacious, horrendous, disturbing scary infection called necrotizing fasciitis
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that just ravages your. SYSTEM a surgeon that saved, him,
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: oddly you, know what are the odds was A slayer,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: fan and he looked At jeff and he, said, listen,
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: First i'm going to save your, arm Then i'm going
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: to save your, life And i'm going to save your.
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  Speaker 2: Career and he was able to do that, much but
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: the career thing did not fully, transpire so.
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  Speaker 1: There were effects of it from that point. Forward he
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: was never fully. Recovered is that the cause of the death.
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  Speaker 2: Right according to all, accounts he did not like doing the,
• 29:39
  Speaker 2: rehab so it's not directly what led to the. Death but,
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: yeah as we say in the, book When jeff died
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: two years, later a lot of people, said, oh well
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: the spider, bite that was the end of it for. Him,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: well you, know if you get bit by a, spider
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: then two years, later how do you die of? Cirrhosis
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: so Once jeff was, bitten and once he was on the,
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  Speaker 2: sidelines he just did not like doing the rehab that
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: would have been necessary to put him back on the.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Stage he played with them in one big, concert but
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: he was never at full form. Again and in that,
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: time basically what he did was play video games and
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: drink and self you, know not to trivialize, that he
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: will say self, medicating but drinking became more of a
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: priority than just cleaning up and.
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: Rehabbing, sadly there was the question of Whether slayer would
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: continue after he. Died what happened with the band after his?
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Passing and where are we at today with? Slayir.
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah Carrie, king shortly Before jeff exited the, band SAID
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: i look at bands and they have different members going
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: in and. Out how can you do? That But Carrie
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: king found a. Way the band was an ongoing. Concern
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: just folding it in and not making money and not
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: playing shows would not have. Helped jeff would not have,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: helped his wife would not have helped the. Band So
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: jeff is an impossible to. Replace there was no way
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: you could get anybody to take his, Place and what
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: they did was come up with an inspired choice to
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: Take Gary holt From, exodus who was both The Carrie
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: king and The Jeff hanneman Of. Exodus he was the team,
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: captain contributed to all the songs played on all of the.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: Albums technically not an original, member but he's the guy
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: that had always carried the Band exodus on his. Shoulders
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: so they needed somebody that was a real, professional somebody
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: that they knew, personally somebody that would not defer to
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: them too. Much slayer's tour manager, says anybody else from
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: a younger band would have been a. Fan But Gary
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: holt was a, friend he was a, brother and he
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: would have been hanging out with them backstage drinking their. Beer,
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: anyway he might as well step in and, play and
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: he has. Brilliantly you, know he's not just Doing jeff's.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Act he's Playing jeff's, riffs but he's making his own
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: contributions to the.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Band as we stand, today they've been playing. Live in,
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: fact you were emailing me about the day that they were.
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: PLAYING i think right around now they're on the, road aren't.
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: They, yeah right now they have played four of their
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: six shows that are scheduled for the. Year they played In, Cardiff.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Wales they played a full size. Set they were part
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: of The Black Sabbath festival back to the. Beginning they
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: played a truncated set. There they're one of the highlights
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: of it and highly. Placed you, know that's an important.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Metric After slayer Wore guns N', Roses, Metallica ousie and Then.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Sabbath so with every metal band ever being, There slayer
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: was the number five act Above. Tool so they're, Back
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: they're doing well and it's an incredible. Show they're putting
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: a lot more into it than they need. To my
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: fear for the shows they were going to was that
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: they were going to half ass or play the same
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: set from five years, ago and they have. Not these
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: shows are. LEGIT i had a great.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: Time let's finish with. This tell me about These slatanic
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: surveys that are towards the end of the.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: Book SO i don't read reviews, generally but sometimes when
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: you need to fix things and correct factual, things you
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: take a look at the. Reviews you, know somebody that's
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: putting out a product putting it. Together so WHAT i
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: noticed was coming up time and time, again people would, say,
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: well it's just his. Opinion he thinks, this but it's not,
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: that and he doesn't Like Divine intervention so. Much AND
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: i like it because it reminds me of that. SUMMER
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: i drove around with my Pal joe and listened to.
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: It if he doesn't like this, album what does that
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: say about? Me WHICH i don't know if that argument
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: holds water. Necessarily but WHAT i did in this was
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: to offset my very pronounced opinion WAS i took a
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: bunch of. SURVEYS i asked, people what are your Favorite slayer,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: songs what are your favorite, albums what's the first one you,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: encountered what's the first new album after you started listening
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: to the, band what's your favorite, album who's YOUR mvp
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: from the? Lineup what's your least favorite? Album so that
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: really offsets the subjectivity of. It this version of the,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: book AS i, say is both more confrontational but it's
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: also more. Conversational you, KNOW i go so far to
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: make the point time after, time, like if you have
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: a different, opinion you're not. Wrong you, know people can
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: be eating the same food and taste different. Things we
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: can watch the same movie and notice different. Things so
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: IF i don't like this particular, album well here's what
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  Speaker 2: one hundred or two hundred fans had to say about.
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  Speaker 2: This how do they rank? It SO i think that's
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: a good way to rank how the band's different work
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: sits among the fan. Base it's not just.
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: ME i have.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Opinions you have opinions. Generally what do people THINK i have?
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: That the layout's really cool. Too you got the pie
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: charts breaking down the percentages and all that, Stuff SO
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: i thought that was. Cool thank.
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: You i'm big on. Metrics there's a chapter WHERE i
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: compare and contrast The Big four in as many different
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: ways as, possible using things like standard. Things you can
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: readily look up how Many grammy, nominations how Many grammy,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: wins how Many spotify. Plays but THEN i invent a
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: few of my. Own how many great album opening side
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: one track one songs through each? BAND i Think slayer
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: have the, most But i'm A slayer. Fan i'm a
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: little bit, biased.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: But there's the conversational part of the book that gets people.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: Talking, yeah, EXACTLY i know WHAT i. THINK i want
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: to hear what you. Think you tell. ME i put
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: a lot of work into, this a lot of late,
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: nights a lot of like four, am six, am going to.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: BED i ground my health into a doey. PULP i, really, like,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: SERIOUSLY i erecked, myself my blood sugars out of. Control
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: i'm on a very aggressive workout. Schedule listening To slayer
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: helps me.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Work, Out oh, yeah for, sure myself.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Out of a. Hole and now that the book is
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: out and getting good reviews and people have it in their,
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: hands my body is letting go with this tension That
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: i've been really holding on to for like two years,
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: now just getting ready to stop and release at any.
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: Minute in that moment never. Comes So i'm finally like
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: relaxing a little. Bit that REVIEW i sent you, Like, Wow,
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: okay it's, Here it's, real absolutely.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Man, Yeah and HOPEFULLY i can help sell a few more,
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: copies get the word out. There slayer sixty six and
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: two thirds A metal Band, biography the fourth edition out
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: now you can find over her books are Sold.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, amazon pool. Retailers if you're a retailer and you want.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: It it's something THAT i own and control. Personally it's independently,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: published SO i can update it ANYTIME i need, to
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: AND i do all.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Right and where can people reach out to you?
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: Online patreon dot, com Splash slayer book is the best
• 36:27
  Speaker 2: way to do. It slare books with AN s on
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: the end and the. Beginning that'll get you. There just
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: search for D X faris And. Slayer it'll get you.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: There podcast is free generally. Free listeners get an episode
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: every other. Week package you start at less than a
• 36:42
  Speaker 2: dollar if you want one every. Week you tell me
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: how Much slayer do you? WANT i got you covered.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Cool AND i did tell you an email. TOO i
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: love the way this is. Written you've got your own,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: style your own individual writing, style Which i'd, love and
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: it comes across when you're talking. Here now that's the
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: way you. Write thank you yeah.
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: Again the beginning of this edition of the book was
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: me literally reading the book aloud every, week and that
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: gave me different thoughts on. It WAYS i could make
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: it more, Conversational WAYS i could make it more accessible.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: In your own. Voice, yeah in my own.
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: Voice it's SOMETHING i did was completely revised this.
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: One.
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: YEAH i was trained as a formal journalist who had
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: to be objective and, clinical and eventually that got. Boring
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: i'm also something of a composition. GEEK i used to
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: write really long sentences that were like jazz, solos and
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: EVENTUALLY i realized that's bad. Communication nobody can read that.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: Shit so now this version is shorter, sentences shorter. Paragraphs
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: it's like Sod Riffs, dunn short, sentence short, sentence short,
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: paragraph a lot of white, space so it's, longer it's,
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: bigger it has a lot more, sources but it's also
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: easier to.
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: Read all, right, Man, ferris thanks so, Much.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Thank you for having. Me you do good. Work you
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: do great. Work you, know as somebody that produces, CONTENT
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: i think you can lose your union card if they
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: find out that you actually read the, books which you.
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: Do nobody does. That and as somebody that produces, CONTENT
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: i don't know how you do what you.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Do, DUDE i got a full time. JOB i don't
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: know HOW i do. It, no you, Know i'm. SORRY
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: i start to have to say no to, people could
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: not THAT i don't. WANT i don't want them to come.
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: ON i just can't keep, up which is a good.
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: Problem but you, know MAYBE i could turn this into
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: a full time thing one. Day that's, that. Hopefully but
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: that's what it.
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: Takes that's what it. Takes no sleep for the.
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: Wicked, hey we'll have you back on again down the
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: road when you write your next monumental.
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: Book, yeah anybody out there who want to Talk Donnie,
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: IRIS i got you, covered.
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: Yea how about, that, Man Donnie.
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: Iris that's Rock king Of, pittsburgh eighty years, old still doing,
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: it beat, Cancer.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: You're still doing it all, right, Man thanks so, much.
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Thank, you thank you for your. Work.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: Man that's. It it's in the. Books