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Babysitter Terrorizes Tot CAUGHT ON NANNY-CAM, Trial to Begin · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You're not a believer in
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Speaker 1: nanny cams. You think it invades your child's privacy. I
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Speaker 1: hate to tell you this, but you're wrong. And this
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Speaker 1: is why two year old Decline oglesby. That's why a
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Speaker 1: two year old little boy screaming at the hands of
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Speaker 1: his babysitter while his parents see exactly what's happening in
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Speaker 1: real time. But guess what, they're an hour away. I mean, see, Grace,
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Speaker 1: this is crime story. Thank you for being with us
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Speaker 1: here at Fox Nation in Sirius XM one eleven. First
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Speaker 1: of all, take a listen to our friends at WCTI.
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Speaker 1: Nanny is in custody and a family's in shock after
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Speaker 1: viewing that video. A newbern couple saw that video of
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Speaker 1: their home security cameras, the woman they hired to take
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Speaker 1: care of their children holding down their toddler, forcing food
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Speaker 1: into his mouth, the child screaming and trying to get away.
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Speaker 1: Newborn police saying that nanny is twenty five year old
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Speaker 1: Lauren Rowe of newburn Tonight. She's in custody and facing charges.
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Speaker 1: When you see this video, you will agree a two
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Speaker 1: year old little boy screaming and the hands of his
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Speaker 1: own babysitter. Take a listen to this. This is the
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Speaker 1: nanny cam video. You ready and you can eat your No,
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Speaker 1: you are not doing it here? No, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: You can and eat your food. Yeah. It all starts
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Speaker 1: with the baby not wanting to eat. How many times
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Speaker 1: did that happen when I was raising the twins? How
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Speaker 1: about three or four times a day? But clamping their
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Speaker 1: mouth shut after you shove food down their throat, the
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Speaker 1: baby choking on the food, screaming when he can come
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Speaker 1: up for air, with the babysitters screaming at him. It
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Speaker 1: goes on and on and on. It's actually painful to
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Speaker 1: listen to. But this is the truth. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to more of the nanny camp video. You want this?
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Speaker 1: Ease your booth? Do you want it? He's your booth?
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Speaker 1: Hey good? What do you want it? Take good? Do
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Speaker 1: you want this? Take her? Do you want it? Okay?
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Speaker 1: You don't. You don't want this? You don't want it?
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Speaker 1: He don't want it? Okay you can. You are hearing
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Speaker 1: a little baby declan, crying, and then the nanny starts
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Speaker 1: force feeding him as he gets the food choked in
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Speaker 1: his throat, and she holds his mouth shut. It just
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Speaker 1: so happens that mommy happens to look and see in
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Speaker 1: real time what's happening to her baby. Again, I'm Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to introduce you our all star panel, but
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Speaker 1: first I want to ask our pediatrician joining us, doctor
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Speaker 1: Free and Hess at pettymom dot com. Doctor Hass, thank
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Speaker 1: you for being with us. What is it about hearing
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Speaker 1: a baby scream? It didn't affect me before I had children.
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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't like it, But once you have
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Speaker 1: children and you hear a baby scream, it literally it
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Speaker 1: just makes your skin crawl. What happens. It is absolutely
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Speaker 1: a parent or caregiver instinct. I think you're right people
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Speaker 1: people are bothered by it prior to but once you know,
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Speaker 1: not only am I a pediatrician and a pediatric emergency medicine,
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Speaker 1: but I am a mom as well, and I agree
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Speaker 1: it hit me differently. I saw children that had issues
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Speaker 1: and were abused or injuries prior to being a mom,
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Speaker 1: and then I saw them after, and it is very,
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Speaker 1: very different. It's just in the core of you to
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Speaker 1: have this feeling to protect and have this feeling of
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Speaker 1: anger when you see that somebody is hurting this innocent
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Speaker 1: child who has no ability to protect themselves from an adult,
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Speaker 1: and you just want to literally jump through the screen,
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Speaker 1: through the speaker, through whatever it is that you need
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Speaker 1: to jump through to help that child. That's just a
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Speaker 1: natural instinct, I think, once you start, once you have babies. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I don't know what happens, doctor Hess, but ever since
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Speaker 1: I had the twins, when I hear a child cry
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Speaker 1: it's on a plane, I mainly turn around. It's like
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Speaker 1: I can't stop myself and hearing Babe declin crying. It's
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Speaker 1: just you know, and I want to go to you
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Speaker 1: to Doug Burns joining me former federal prosecutor, prosecutor now
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Speaker 1: TV lawyer at Doug T. Burns Esquire on LinkedIn. Doug,
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Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. You know, have you
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Speaker 1: ever seen a prosecutor or a defense attorney act something
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Speaker 1: out or let something go in the courtroom? It's full time.
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Speaker 1: For instance, if we say, um, it takes two minutes
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Speaker 1: to choke somebody out, to strangle them dead, and then
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Speaker 1: the prosecutor, I guess we'll go with prosecutor holds a dummy.
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Speaker 1: You know, to look like a human for two minutes,
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Speaker 1: and that two minutes feels like forever in a courtroom. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's so interesting as that, because forget two minutes, you
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Speaker 1: could go with twenty seconds, fancy, and it's like ladies
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Speaker 1: and gentlemen, Right, you heard the twenty seconds elapsed, So
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Speaker 1: let's just take a look at that for a minute,
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Speaker 1: and now we're going to stay here for twenty seconds.
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Speaker 1: And it's an eternity and it really dramatically hits at home.
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Speaker 1: So in this particular case, when I was looking at
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Speaker 1: the fact, the amount of time that elapse is just
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Speaker 1: absolutely horrific, no question about it. And there's something about it.
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Speaker 1: Doug Burns, You've tried a lot of cases in federal court.
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Speaker 1: When you do a demonstration in court like we're about
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Speaker 1: to do right now with our listeners and viewers. I
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Speaker 1: know what I'm about to play is about fifty seconds,
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Speaker 1: but it feels like fifty hours when you listen to it.
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Speaker 1: Have you had that experiencing court, because I have many,
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Speaker 1: many times, and you know a number of I guess
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Speaker 1: clear lack of a description. One is you know a
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Speaker 1: picture is worth a thousand words. So the video in
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Speaker 1: this particular case. And again with any apologies for talking
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Speaker 1: X and oh, it's as opposed to the horrific emotion
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Speaker 1: of the parents and what they went through. But from
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Speaker 1: a courtroom xas and O's standpoint, the drama and impact
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Speaker 1: of this type of video would be devastating to the defense, devastating,
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Speaker 1: as you're talking. Doug Burns, Guys, Doug Burns and I
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Speaker 1: go way way back. He is a longtime federal prosecutor.
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Speaker 1: It's in his blood. His father was a federal prosecutor
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Speaker 1: as well. Wasn't he the A G and where where
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Speaker 1: he was? Thank you for asking my late dad. He's
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Speaker 1: gone to eight years now, but he was the video
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Speaker 1: Attorney General of the United States, which is the number
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Speaker 1: two law enforcement position in the country. Right, Yeah, exactly,
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Speaker 1: I knew that. You just had to refresh my recollection.
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Speaker 1: Spoken in a little bit exactly, but he was, he was.
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Speaker 1: He was a very effective deputy AG. Yeah. This thing
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Speaker 1: I want you to listen to is exactly what I
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Speaker 1: would play for a jury in an opening statement. Tyler,
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Speaker 1: if we could go out of order and you play
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Speaker 1: for me cut twenty one please m And you're hearing decline,
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Speaker 1: crying and he's having food shoved down his throat, and
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Speaker 1: then the babysittered cru the mouth shut and hover over
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Speaker 1: him with the fish stuck in his throat. I have
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Speaker 1: an all star panel for you, but let me go
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Speaker 1: right now to a very special guest joining us. Laura
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Speaker 1: Oglesby is baby Declan's mother. Laura. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us, Thank you for having me, Laura. I want
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Speaker 1: to take this in the order of what you saw
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Speaker 1: that day, what's the first thing you saw on the
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Speaker 1: nanny cam, and what led you to look at the
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Speaker 1: nanny cam. So it's not necessarily a nanny cam. It's
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Speaker 1: those security cameras that I have throughout the house, and
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Speaker 1: she's all aware of them. I checked them religiously because
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Speaker 1: I've normally not away from my kids. I've had them
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Speaker 1: since they were born. We're just doing renovations, so I
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Speaker 1: was unable to have them in the bars. It's unsafe,
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Speaker 1: but every break I have I normally check on them.
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Speaker 1: While whenever I pulled up my camera, it was facing
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Speaker 1: the front door, but I could hear screaming, so I
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Speaker 1: turned by camera and she actually had him in his
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Speaker 1: booster seats at the kitchen table and was yelling at
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Speaker 1: him and trying to force feed him in the booster seat.
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Speaker 1: And that's when we started running out of the bar.
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Speaker 1: And then she picked him up by his wrist. This
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Speaker 1: is all not shown on there yet. She picks him
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Speaker 1: up by his wrists and sticks him in his brother's
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Speaker 1: high chair, his little brother's won sticks him in his
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Speaker 1: little brother's high chairs to have more control over him.
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Speaker 1: And that's whenever the video starts. That's when the recording starts. Okay,
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Speaker 1: picking up by the wrist. Back to you, doctor Hess,
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Speaker 1: I've heard of I think it's called nanny's arm nursemaid's elbow.
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Speaker 1: And will you pull a child by the arm by
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Speaker 1: the wrist of the arm, and it actually loosens their
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Speaker 1: arm at the socket. It dislocates their radius at their elbow. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's actually a really common injury. Can happen pretty easily.
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Speaker 1: But you, I mean, doing something like that with full
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Speaker 1: weight can not only cause the nursemaid's elbow, but can
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Speaker 1: also cause fractures of the risk I mean, and that's
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Speaker 1: just the beginning of it. You know the part that
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Speaker 1: I saw where his arms are being pinned behind him,
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Speaker 1: that can cause significant physical injury. The part where he's
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Speaker 1: getting food shoved into his mouth not only can cause choking,
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Speaker 1: but because he's screaming and crying during it increases the
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Speaker 1: risk of aspiration where food can get down into his lung.
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Speaker 1: There is so much physical damage that can happen here,
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Speaker 1: and that's not even including the psychological damage. That's just
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Speaker 1: the physical damage that can happen here. It's horrifying. And
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Speaker 1: speaking of psychological damage, I was just about to go
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Speaker 1: to Doctor Teresa guil PhD, Professor Psychology, psychotherapist, twenty five
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Speaker 1: years working with child a beach and trauma victims. She
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Speaker 1: is also an author and you can find her at
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Speaker 1: Teresa guil PhD dot com. Doctor Gill. One of the
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Speaker 1: happiest moments that we have in our lives is when
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Speaker 1: we all get together for supper after we've been working
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Speaker 1: in at school, and I look forward to it all
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Speaker 1: day long. When the children were younger, I looked forward
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Speaker 1: to giving them their baths and eating. It wasn't really
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Speaker 1: supper time because they would you know, they didn't like
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Speaker 1: high chairs, so we would set them in their stroller,
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Speaker 1: you know, totally surrounded by blankets and feed them a
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Speaker 1: double stroller twins, you know, at their pace, and it
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Speaker 1: meant a lot to me. And I wonder sometimes, doctor Gil,
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Speaker 1: if people don't have as they grow up eating disorders
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Speaker 1: because of the way they were fed when they were
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Speaker 1: a baby. I've never even seen a study on that,
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Speaker 1: but I've wondered about it. But doctor Gil, what does
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Speaker 1: this do to a child? Not only can kill the child,
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Speaker 1: but emotionally like single lot of what they talk about
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Speaker 1: today is that if a child feels scared and they
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Speaker 1: don't feel connected and safe, that it actually changes for
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Speaker 1: that period of time their autonomic nervous system and they
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Speaker 1: go into a stress response. Now what I saw that
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Speaker 1: was really lovely. So I've done studies on what makes
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Speaker 1: people resilient and not resilient, both in childhood as well
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Speaker 1: as adults. There were two parents that love this kid.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace and back to Laura Oglesby,
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Speaker 1: this is Deacon's mom. When you saw that happening, what
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Speaker 1: went through your mind? We are not a lot of
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Speaker 1: people want to say that they would have you heard
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Speaker 1: the one They wanted to get home and get the
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Speaker 1: knee any whatever. That's the last thing I was on
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Speaker 1: my mind. I could care less about the nanny The
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Speaker 1: only thing that I was worried about is my children
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Speaker 1: getting to safety, like somebody getting there, getting the nanny
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Speaker 1: as far out of my house as possible, and then
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Speaker 1: being taken care of. Guys, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut for the nanny camp video, or at least part
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Speaker 1: of it. You ready him and then come down done
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Speaker 1: hi you and then be all done, yeah, Hi, hi, Hafi?
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Speaker 1: Do you want to be all here? Ye? All hi
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Speaker 1: until you'll beat that, you all. And when you hear
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Speaker 1: Decline yelling out, addie, addie, he's calling for his daddy, daddy,
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Speaker 1: and you can hear where he starts actually choking and
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Speaker 1: gurgling up the food. This as mommy Laura Oglesby spots
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Speaker 1: what's happening on their security cameras and me tries to
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Speaker 1: rush home to save her two year old little boy, Declin.
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Speaker 1: You know I'm listening. Let me introduce the rest of
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Speaker 1: our panel. With me, of course, is Declin's mother, Laura Oglesby,
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Speaker 1: but also with me. Tampa Chiery, America's leading personal safety
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Speaker 1: expert and author of the Personal Protection Handbook. You can
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Speaker 1: find him at Tampa chery dot com. Doug Burns, former
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Speaker 1: federal prosecutor veteran trial lawyer, Doctor Teresa Gill, professor's psychology doctor,
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Speaker 1: free and hes pediatrician at pettymom dot com. Chris Buyers
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Speaker 1: joining US former police chief John's Creek, Georgia, twenty five
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Speaker 1: years on the beat, now private investigator at Chris Buyer's
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Speaker 1: investigations in polygraph dot com and Crime online dot com.
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Speaker 1: Investigative reporter Levi Paige to you, Chris Buyers, did you
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Speaker 1: ever see One flu over the Kuckoo's Nest? Did you
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Speaker 1: ever see that movie? Okay? Do you remember Nurse Ratchett?
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Speaker 1: Do you remember Nurse Ratchet? Do you remember what she
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Speaker 1: would speak to other people? She would be perfectly calm
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Speaker 1: and normal, but she was crazy and evil. Do you
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Speaker 1: remember her? Have you ever dealt, on all your years
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Speaker 1: in the force with somebody that when they're talking to you,
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Speaker 1: they're perfectly calm and normal, but you find out in
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Speaker 1: the course of your investigation they are pure evil. Yeah. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: been in the interrogation room many of times and gotten
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Speaker 1: a completely different side of somebody than you know the
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Speaker 1: other testimony and video proved. So yes, been face to
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Speaker 1: face with that many times. You know how, I've seen
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Speaker 1: it a lot of times. Chris is in child abuse
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Speaker 1: cases where people would burn their children cigarette butts and
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Speaker 1: beat them into a coma child sex predators, but really
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Speaker 1: like parents or caregivers that beat the children or harm
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Speaker 1: the children. And I've seen it in domestic abuse, typically
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Speaker 1: with a husband or the male partner. They're so charming
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Speaker 1: and polite and kind when they're talking to you, but
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Speaker 1: then you look over at the woman or the child
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Speaker 1: and they're totally covered in bruises and broken bones and
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Speaker 1: fat lips. Something is not right, Buyers. Yeah, absolutely, and
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Speaker 1: you're exactly right. Domestic violence cases more often than not
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Speaker 1: have that exactly They present themselves just like that as
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Speaker 1: this charming person, and then you get to see that
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Speaker 1: other side. And child predators. I think it's just it's
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Speaker 1: part of their mo o that they do, is just
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Speaker 1: this overcharming of people outside of what is happening in
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Speaker 1: the private home and in private life. You know, we've
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Speaker 1: got a lot I've really educated people on our as
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Speaker 1: guests today, and I find out the more college education
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Speaker 1: you get, the less you believe in good and evil.
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Speaker 1: I really believe in good and evil. I think there's
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Speaker 1: good and bad in the world, and that good people
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Speaker 1: can somehow end up doing evil, horrible things like what
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Speaker 1: happened to baby Decline And if it had not been
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Speaker 1: for the mother who's with us today, Laura oglesby having
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Speaker 1: those security cameras in her home, we would never know
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Speaker 1: what happened. Baby Decla's not old enough to articulate. You
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Speaker 1: can't even say daddy correctly in this video. Anyway, he
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Speaker 1: couldn't tell mom what was happening. Tom pa Terry with Me,
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Speaker 1: America's leading personal safety expert and author of the Personal
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Speaker 1: Protection Handbook. Tom tell me about security cameras. I call
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Speaker 1: them all nanny cams. We've got our home totally tricked
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Speaker 1: out with nanny cams. Well, let's let's talk about what's
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Speaker 1: out there, all right, So there aren't the nanny cams
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Speaker 1: the best start of the the new pinhole cameras. You can
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Speaker 1: put them all over your house. You can use them
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Speaker 1: anytime I'm clicking on your phone and check in balance.
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Speaker 1: The key is whether you want people to know or
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Speaker 1: not know. So the old security adage is you know,
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Speaker 1: you keep from covert, you don't tell anybody. But the
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Speaker 1: new theory is if you have somebody, especially if they're
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Speaker 1: watching your kids or something, let them know they're in spotlight.
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Speaker 1: Let them know you can hear and see everything in
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Speaker 1: every minute, you know, So if you see something on
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Speaker 1: that camera, get on the phone, say what are you doing?
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Speaker 1: You know, and do it check in balance. But that's
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Speaker 1: one phase of it. And you know, you do the background,
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Speaker 1: that's another phase. But let me tell you what people
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Speaker 1: are doing now. You have the neighborhood watch. Right now,
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Speaker 1: people are calling a neighborhood responder. So all the parents
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Speaker 1: get together and say, okay, I'm working on this day,
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Speaker 1: I'm off on this day, I'm you know, and they
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Speaker 1: figure out who's around. So let's say, in what happened
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Speaker 1: in this young lady's case, she has somebody she trusts.
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Speaker 1: She can now make the call for somebody to get
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Speaker 1: over that house now and check, you know, what's going
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Speaker 1: on and get ready to call the police. So people
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Speaker 1: are using their own resources of people they trust them
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Speaker 1: love to protect our kids. Remember, as parents, we are protectors.
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Speaker 1: So we're protective parents, but we need help. And help
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Speaker 1: is putting things in spotlight and using the people you
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Speaker 1: know and trust to help. You know, I'm like you,
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Speaker 1: Laura Oglesby, when the twins still had babysitters during the day.
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Speaker 1: I told the babysitters right up front, there's an anniecam.
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Speaker 1: I've got them all over the house. Just know that.
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Speaker 1: And I didn't suggest that they were going to do
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Speaker 1: anything bad or wrong. I just, you know, wanted it
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Speaker 1: very clear. I had my eyes on them. Twenty four seven,
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Speaker 1: three sixty five. Thank God in Heaven. Guys, take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut five. This is justin Lunday. W
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Speaker 1: I t N. I wanted to kick, I wanted to
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Speaker 1: come here, and I wanted to pin her down, and
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Speaker 1: I wanted to put foods in her mouth. That was
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Speaker 1: Laura Oglesby's initial reaction when she and her husband Max
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Speaker 1: took a people their out home security camera while that
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Speaker 1: worked Tuesday night to discover their nanny, Laura Rode, restraining
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Speaker 1: their crying two year old son, Declan and appearing to
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Speaker 1: force feeder. In the video, you can hear Declan struggling
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Speaker 1: against Rope as she appears to try and push chicken
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Speaker 1: pot pie into his mouth. Did you ever suspect your
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Speaker 1: nanny of doing something like this? No, of course, I mean,
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Speaker 1: you don't leave your child with someone who suspect would
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Speaker 1: harm them. So we had no thought process that she
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Speaker 1: would do anything like this or any complete shot, complete shot.
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Speaker 1: And I'm just trying to figure out, Laura Oglesby, when
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Speaker 1: you were racing home, trying to get home, what was
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Speaker 1: going through your mind? My child safety. I was wondering
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Speaker 1: what else was going on. I also was still watching
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Speaker 1: it live, so yeah, I mean I was just I
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Speaker 1: was at a loss. Guys, we are talking with Declan's
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Speaker 1: MoMA Oglesby. Leave pays joining me Crime online dot Com
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter or leave I take it from the top.
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Speaker 1: What happened? So? Max and Laura Oglesby lived in Newborn,
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Speaker 1: North Carolina, and they're renovating a bar that they owned
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Speaker 1: forty five minutes away in Washington, North Carolina. They took
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Speaker 1: a break from renovating, they decided to look at the
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Speaker 1: security cameras they have set up in the house and
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Speaker 1: October twenty six US when this happened. They discovered two
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Speaker 1: year old Declan screaming, no crying out for his daddy, sobbing,
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Speaker 1: and the nanny forced feeding him chicken pot pie. She
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Speaker 1: was also holding his arms behind his bat and also Nancy.
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Speaker 1: The most disturbing part to me is when she put
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Speaker 1: her hand over his mouth after forcing food into it. Okay, guys,
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Speaker 1: pinning a child's arms behind, it's back right there, Chris Buyers.
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Speaker 1: You've seen a lot of child abuse cases. When you're
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Speaker 1: pinning a child's arms back, that should be an internal
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Speaker 1: bill of alarm to you that what you're doing is wrong. Yeah. Absolutely,
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Speaker 1: Just you know, as a parent, I just cannot imagine
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Speaker 1: doing that to a child. And as a caregiver, she
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Speaker 1: knew exactly what she was doing that was injuring that child, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: And what is that joining us? Our psychologist psychotherapist, doctor
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Speaker 1: Teresa guil To exert to want to exert power and
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Speaker 1: control over your child. And I don't mean when they misbehave,
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Speaker 1: you don't swat them on the booty or give them
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Speaker 1: time out or take away a privilege. I'm not saying
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Speaker 1: don't discipline your child. They have to know don't run
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Speaker 1: out in the road, don't jump out of the car,
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Speaker 1: wear your seatbelt. They have to know certain rules to live.
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Speaker 1: But when you physically exert control over them, what is
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Speaker 1: that need inside an adult to do that to a child.
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Speaker 1: I think the thing that stood out for me the
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Speaker 1: most when I watched the video was how calm she was,
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Speaker 1: and unaffected by his cries. And she really believed the
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Speaker 1: word control comes up again. If you don't control you're
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Speaker 1: two year old, he will walk all over you. And
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Speaker 1: I don't believe, and I've seen this before and working
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Speaker 1: with mothers or parents who have been abusive, that they
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Speaker 1: have any recollection nor any idea of what they have.
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Speaker 1: What they're doing is actually abuse. I'm sure if you
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Speaker 1: talk to her, she would say, I was disciplining him,
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Speaker 1: and I was teaching him right for wrong, and I
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Speaker 1: was making sure that he ate. And I was looking
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Speaker 1: at some of the Facebook comments from people and a
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Speaker 1: number of the Facebook and I usually go to Facebook
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Speaker 1: comments just to kind of gauge how people are thinking
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Speaker 1: on things. And one woman said that nanny was in
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Speaker 1: control and not abusive. He was just a spoiled child
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Speaker 1: and she just wanted him to take one bite. You know,
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Speaker 1: that's so interesting that you said that, doctor Gil, because
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Speaker 1: we recently covered the case where a cop and his
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Speaker 1: new wife took his natural son that he had from
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Speaker 1: his first wife and to discipline the child would make
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Speaker 1: him go sleep out in the garage at night to
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Speaker 1: discipline him, and he died. He died of hypothermia. It
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Speaker 1: was later discovered that he had been disciplined with beatings
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Speaker 1: and withholding food, all sorts of discipline that ended up
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Speaker 1: with the boy dead. And I have heard that same
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Speaker 1: sad song about just disciplining the child from so many
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Speaker 1: murderers that it actually makes me feel nauseous to hear
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Speaker 1: some uninformed person on Facebook say that. And just because
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Speaker 1: it's done in control, and it's not done with screens,
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Speaker 1: and it's done with thinking ahead of exactly what you
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Speaker 1: want to do, they think parents that it's not abuse,
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Speaker 1: it is punishment and teaching them right from wrong. Okay
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Speaker 1: to you, Laura, uncle spy, you're hearing what our Facebook
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Speaker 1: friends have to say about this. What's your reaction to that, Laura?
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Speaker 1: I I was trying to take everybody's comments with a
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Speaker 1: grain of salt. I mean, there's something that are really supportive,
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Speaker 1: but there's also a lot of people out there that
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Speaker 1: are saying like that mother shouldn't work, that they should
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Speaker 1: be at home taking care of their children, and that
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Speaker 1: nobody else should be taking care of your children for you,
28:45
Speaker 1: and that my child is a brat, and that several,
28:49
Speaker 1: I mean several mean things have been said, but I'm
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Speaker 1: just trying to go let it brush off my shoulder
28:54
Speaker 1: because clearly a lot of those people probably don't have kids.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, Laura Ugglesby you says you're going
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Speaker 1: to take it with a grain of salt, as I
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Speaker 1: like to say, I'll take it with a box of
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Speaker 1: salt on that one. Guys, take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: cut seven. This is Kate Hussey WCTI. The couple's emotions
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Speaker 1: still running high thinking about the moment. Laura just happened
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Speaker 1: to pull up her home security camera footage on her
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Speaker 1: phone well at work Tuesday night to see their nanny,
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Speaker 1: who police confirm is twenty five year old Lauren Roe,
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Speaker 1: holding their child down in his highchair, forcing food into
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Speaker 1: his mouth. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys in this
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Speaker 1: case appearance race home to get to the scene as
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Speaker 1: quickly as they can. Take a listen our cut eight
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Speaker 1: News Channel twelve. The couple filed a police report with
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Speaker 1: a Newburn police the very next day. She came highly
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Speaker 1: recommended our background was clear and there were no red
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Speaker 1: class I'll until that point, no Row even had a
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Speaker 1: profile oncare dot com. The company tells me the background
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Speaker 1: check all caregivers a process that includes running a social
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Speaker 1: Security number trace, checking national sex offender public websites, performing
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Speaker 1: multi jurisdictional criminal database searches, and going through both federal
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Speaker 1: and county criminal records. To you, Laura Oglesby, how did
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Speaker 1: you find this babysitter? So? I went on to a
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Speaker 1: Facebook mom's group and I saw that she had been
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Speaker 1: recommended in there as a swim teacher for infants, and
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Speaker 1: a lot of people were recommending her for that. And
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Speaker 1: then wherever I actually reached out to her to see
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Speaker 1: if she did nanny, she said that she had done
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Speaker 1: it for three years back in California. So we brought
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Speaker 1: her in for an inner view, and then after the interview,
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Speaker 1: I pree checked oncare dot com to make sure that
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Speaker 1: she's verified and everything, and she was, and so then
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Speaker 1: we ended up higher on you know, Doug Burns. We
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Speaker 1: have covered severalcare dot com cases, sure, and usually they
31:20
Speaker 1: did not end up the way this case ended up. Guys,
31:24
Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut fifteen. This is Heather
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Speaker 1: Lee a k m EG Fox forty four October twenty nine,
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Speaker 1: thirty three year old Rochelle Sap was watching three year
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Speaker 1: old Autumn Eldersma at her in home daycare center. A
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Speaker 1: court document, Sap called Autom's mother around nine o'clock that
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Speaker 1: morning to tell her Autumn had fallen down the stairs.
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Speaker 1: She said she would keep a close eye on Autumn
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Speaker 1: and give her some tile In all, not even twenty
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Speaker 1: minutes later, Sap called Autom's mother again to tell her
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Speaker 1: Autumn was quote way out of it and that she
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Speaker 1: thought her neck was heard. Autumn's mother rushed to SAP's house.
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Speaker 1: Autumn was taken to Orange City Hospital, but because her
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Speaker 1: injuries were so bad, she was airlifted to a hospital
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Speaker 1: in Sioux Falls. Doctors there diagnosed her with the school
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Speaker 1: fracture and brain swelling. She died of her injuries October
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Speaker 1: thirty first. Sam's initial claimed that Autumn fell down the
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Speaker 1: stairs didn't match up with a medical opinion that the
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Speaker 1: little girl's injuries were not consistent with that kind of fall.
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Speaker 1: Stap later told police she threw the girl down hard
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Speaker 1: on the floor, causing her to hit her head because
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Speaker 1: she was frustrated with Autumn, who was having trouble getting
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Speaker 1: her jacket off. To Laura Oglesby the Autumn case, Little Autumn,
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Speaker 1: who died after being thrown down the stairs by her
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Speaker 1: babysitter after they had had an escalating argument over where
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Speaker 1: this little three year old, whether the little girl three
32:52
Speaker 1: years old would wear her coat. And it's amazing how
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Speaker 1: an adult with a child, a two or three year
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Speaker 1: old child can have an argument escalate and the child
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Speaker 1: ends up dead. When you think back on what you
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Speaker 1: saw on your home surveillance cam, the argument escalating between
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Speaker 1: your baby, Declan just two years old, and Lauren Row,
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Speaker 1: the twenty five year old babysitter, can you imagine what
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Speaker 1: could have happened? Yeah, I mean that was honestly the
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Speaker 1: first one of the first things in it through my
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Speaker 1: head is that she could end up killing him like
33:36
Speaker 1: that was one of the main reasons that I wanted
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Speaker 1: somebody here to take care of him and hurt on
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Speaker 1: because I didn't know what she was capable of after
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Speaker 1: that point. And we do have stairs at our house,
33:48
Speaker 1: and she literally had no problem with sticking her hand
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Speaker 1: over his mouth and plugging his nose while he's also
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Speaker 1: sick and has a running nose so he can't breathe
33:58
Speaker 1: out of it anyway. Laura, how has Decline behaved after
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Speaker 1: this incident? Every night since it all happened. She's been
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Speaker 1: waking up in the middle of the night, and it's
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Speaker 1: not a normal like toddlers sometimes will wake up in
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Speaker 1: fus He screams the bloody murder to the point where
34:14
Speaker 1: I'm almost scared to go, and there's I'm scared somebody's
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Speaker 1: in there with him. Then also now he if you
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Speaker 1: try to go up to him to like hand him
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Speaker 1: anything or ask him to come here, he'll run and hide.
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Speaker 1: I'll hide behind the couch, He'll hide behind if you're outside,
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Speaker 1: he hide behind the trees. And he has been attached
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Speaker 1: to my hip since this all happened. I cannot even
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Speaker 1: get out of his eyesight without him freaking out, you know,
34:39
Speaker 1: And it makes me wonder what has happened before you
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Speaker 1: saw it on the video? What may have happened outside
34:47
Speaker 1: the video eyeline? And that's what I was asking you earlier.
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Speaker 1: Tampa TII Safety Expert author Personal Protection Handbook. Where should
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Speaker 1: you place the videos? I call him all in Annie
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Speaker 1: cams a home surveillance secure videos. Where should they be?
35:01
Speaker 1: You got to put them in direct angles where you
35:04
Speaker 1: could cover the whole room. You know, most people see
35:07
Speaker 1: exterior cameras. They may have one or two inside. But
35:11
Speaker 1: for the cost of cameras today, and as small as
35:14
Speaker 1: they are, I mean it's very cost effective. But when
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Speaker 1: they're placed or at the highest angle, that opens up
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Speaker 1: the whole room so you could see everything. Mommy races
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Speaker 1: home to try and save her two year old little
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Speaker 1: boy decline. Not everybody has been as lucky as Laura
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Speaker 1: oglesby Take a listen to our cut sixteen, A nanny
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Speaker 1: camera captures shocking images of a nanny named Dana Cash
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Speaker 1: allegedly shaking a one year old girl. Child's mother who
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Speaker 1: didn't want to be identified and spoke to us exclusively.
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Speaker 1: I was appalled, She says. She first found this video
35:48
Speaker 1: after her eight year old son, who witnessed the attack,
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Speaker 1: told her about it. After the mom found the video
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Speaker 1: and watched it for herself, she then showed it to Cash.
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Speaker 1: That baby was saved, much like Laura Ogles's baby was saved.
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Speaker 1: But we haven't all been so lucky. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our cut seventeen. When a mother checked in on
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Speaker 1: her two year old special need son from the nanny
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Speaker 1: can app on her phone. Something didn't seem right. I
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Speaker 1: saw her just looking at him, and I'm not doing
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Speaker 1: anything while he's screaming and crying, and I thought that
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Speaker 1: was odd. What Diana co was about to see next
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Speaker 1: would shake her to her core and change her life forever.
36:28
Speaker 1: Diana quickly figured out the nurse who was supposed to
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Speaker 1: be caring for her son was beating him. The nurse's
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Speaker 1: abuse gets more savage. At one point, she rolls up
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Speaker 1: a magazine and uses it as a weapon. The excruciating
36:42
Speaker 1: scene played out as Diana watched it live. She and
36:45
Speaker 1: her husband were at least twenty minutes away. Diana and
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Speaker 1: her husband called nine one police race to the scene.
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Speaker 1: You see them arrive and arrest the nurse, making this
36:55
Speaker 1: all the more horrific. You were hearing our friends just
36:57
Speaker 1: then at cbslam before at ABC seven. Now take a
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Speaker 1: listen to our cut eighteen. ABC seven. Maria Gonzalez is
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Speaker 1: facing child's abuse charges after Livermore PD says the twenty
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Speaker 1: ye old nanny was caught on camera. Neighbors describe Gonzales
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Speaker 1: as smiling and bubbly. According to charging documents, on February eighteenth,
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Speaker 1: Gonzalez was caring for a thirteen month old boy. When
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Speaker 1: the boy's mom came home, she discovered abuse when she
37:25
Speaker 1: watched nanny cam video. Specifically, Gonzalez was attempting to calm
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Speaker 1: the baby. When she placed her hands closer to the
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Speaker 1: baby's face, his cries went from clear and audible to muffled.
37:36
Speaker 1: The baby began to squirm and kick and then went limp.
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Speaker 1: She was strangling and smothering the baby. All this was
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Speaker 1: revealed on nanny cam to Laura Oglesby, baby Declan's mother,
37:53
Speaker 1: what do you have to say to those nonbelievers about
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Speaker 1: security cams? I think it's incredibly important because outside of
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Speaker 1: even if you don't have a nanny, you can still see,
38:05
Speaker 1: like if your child somehow falls down and hits their
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Speaker 1: head and something's wrong with them, you can replaced back
38:11
Speaker 1: the film and you can see what happened, and no
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Speaker 1: better on what you can tell doctors and emergency people
38:17
Speaker 1: that come responders. I've all together. A security system is
38:22
Speaker 1: so important in our day. So leave my page. What
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Speaker 1: is happening with this case? Well, Nancy, that nanny, Lauren Row,
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Speaker 1: twenty five years old, was arrested. She was charged with
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Speaker 1: misdemeanor child abuse, and thirty minutes later she posted bond
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Speaker 1: and was released two thousand, five hundred dollars and in
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Speaker 1: the state of North Carolina for misdemeanor child abuse. The
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Speaker 1: max that she can get is one hundred and fifty
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Speaker 1: days and Nancy her trial is scheduled to start March eight.
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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfals. Nancy Grace comes to signing
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Speaker 1: off goodbye friendsh