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Dear Farmers- 999, Part 3 – With Roger Meacock And Sandi Adams · UK Column Radio

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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another UK column interview. Well it
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Speaker 1: actually it's not just another UK column interview. This is
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Speaker 1: part three, nine nine nine deer Farmers. We've already done
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Speaker 1: Part one and Part two. I do hope you managed
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Speaker 1: to catch up with them. With Sandy Adams, our very
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Speaker 1: good friend, author, researcher and knows everything about the United
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Speaker 1: Nations and agenda twenty thirty. Sandy is joined by Roger Meekock,
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Speaker 1: our consultant veterinary surgeon, who also knows a whole lot
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Speaker 1: about animals and farms and the agenda of what's going on.
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Speaker 1: And farmers are being it would appear they're being socked
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Speaker 1: from producing food for us and their land is being
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Speaker 1: used for other things, and it's not just about inheritance tax.
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Speaker 1: And today we're going to be moving away from the
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Speaker 1: history that we covered in part one and some of
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Speaker 1: the infrastructure differences in Part two, and today we're going
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Speaker 1: to be focusing on food and a whole heap more.
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Speaker 1: We're going to be looking at what are we going
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Speaker 1: to eat? We're going to look at what is the
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Speaker 1: life ahead for a farmer, how does it figure. We're
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Speaker 1: going to be looking at the climate in Natureville as well,
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Speaker 1: so we've got a lot to fit in. But in
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Speaker 1: part two we've finished on Bovia, and many of you
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Speaker 1: will have already picked up that Ala and Bovia inextricably linked.
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Speaker 1: This is the additive that's being added to cattle feed
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Speaker 1: in order to stop carbon emissions i e. Them passing wind,
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Speaker 1: of which Roger has done a lot of work on.
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Speaker 1: And we finished Part two with Bovia. And as we're
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Speaker 1: recording this now, it's the day after President Trump has
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Speaker 1: been inaugurated, and not many people are thinking about what
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Speaker 1: they're reaching for on the supermarket shelves anymore.
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Speaker 2: So I'm going to be starting off with Roger talking
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Speaker 2: about both here. But just for now, let's say a
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Speaker 2: very quick hello Sandy. Sandy, thank you so much for
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Speaker 2: joining us for part three. Can you believe we're here, Sandy, welcome.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much. Debbie, it's great to be back
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Speaker 3: and to be talking about all this stuff. Lessie, thanks
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Speaker 3: a lot.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's amazing that we've got such incredible people such
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Speaker 1: as you who are doing all the work for those
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Speaker 1: that are watching. And it's not just farmers, it's for
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Speaker 1: us the public, because we all eat and so let's
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Speaker 1: join and say hello to Roger Meecott. Roger, thank you
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Speaker 1: again for joining us for part three.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the column.
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Speaker 4: Hi Debbie, thank you very much. Hello everybody who's watching. Yeah,
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Speaker 4: it's great to be back. And as Sandy said, this
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Speaker 4: is the sort of information that people need to be
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Speaker 4: discussing and talking about because you know, I don't think
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Speaker 4: it's quite got the stigma it had before, but we
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Speaker 4: do need to make everybody aware and discuss it and
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Speaker 4: talk about it.
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Speaker 1: We do, indeed, Roger, and as we know that the
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Speaker 1: agenda is now not just being accelerated, it's being turbocharged.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to say it now in case I
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Speaker 1: forget to say it later. But if you like what
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Speaker 1: could you just give us a brief resume of where
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Speaker 1: we finished last time in part two on how you
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Speaker 1: came to scrutinize Bovia, what you've found out and what
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Speaker 1: you've found out since.
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Speaker 4: I think everybody knows that Arla tweeted about they are
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Speaker 4: going to start this thirty farm trial using Beauvat in
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Speaker 4: dairy cattle to try and reduce methane emissions. And I
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Speaker 4: was concerned, obviously, and so I contacted the Veteran Medicines
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Speaker 4: Directed because bovat was passed as a feed additive, and
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Speaker 4: so I queried them as to why it hadn't been
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Speaker 4: categorized as a pharmaceutical like the FDA had done in
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Speaker 4: the United States. So they got back to me and
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Speaker 4: basically said, oh, well, you know that the manufacturer had
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Speaker 4: pretty well self certified. They chose the category and applied
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Speaker 4: for the category, and because it didn't involve then as
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Speaker 4: a feed additive, didn't involve the VMD, the VMD didn't
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Speaker 4: get involved. And then the chief Vetory officer also replied
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Speaker 4: and pointed out as I one of the things that
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Speaker 4: I was pointing out was that there was there for
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Speaker 4: a gap because who was the FSA food standard agency
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Speaker 4: to be involved in the vetery assessment of the product.
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Speaker 4: You know, they were looking at it in terms of
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Speaker 4: what was safe for us for humans consuming the milk,
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Speaker 4: but they know they haven't got a vety aspect to
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Speaker 4: what they do, so anyway to bring us up today.
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Speaker 4: I actually had a response from the Food Standard Agency
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Speaker 4: yesterday and they sort of came up with their usual
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Speaker 4: spiel saying, oh, we've looked at it, and yes, we
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Speaker 4: did look at it to see whether it was safe
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Speaker 4: for cows, and our scientific communique committee sat on it,
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Speaker 4: an advisory committee, and they've parted and we think it's safe.
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Speaker 4: So I've responded to them and said, well, that doesn't
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Speaker 4: fit in with what the Chief Veteriny Officer has said
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Speaker 4: to me in terms of there is a gap in
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Speaker 4: terms of animal health and welfare assessment because the Food
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Speaker 4: Standard they haven't got a veterinary aspect. I told them
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Speaker 4: I was concerned that they hadn't admitted that themselves, and
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Speaker 4: there would seem to be a gap in the legislation
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Speaker 4: given that beauvert as I gather as a licensed for
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Speaker 4: use in cattle other than lactating cattle in some other countries,
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Speaker 4: and the fact that the manufacturer perhaps only applied for
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Speaker 4: the license in lactating cows, meant that they were effectively
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Speaker 4: playing the system. They knew what they could get past,
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Speaker 4: and they knew how they could get it categorized as
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Speaker 4: a food additive rather than trying to get it past
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Speaker 4: as a vey pharmaceutical. And I said, I didn't care
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Speaker 4: who sat on the committee or how highly qualified they were,
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Speaker 4: but you know, if the work hadn't been done in
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Speaker 4: terms of the length of trial that was adequately you know,
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Speaker 4: mirror what was going to happen thereafter, then there wasn't
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Speaker 4: the data for whoever on whatever committee to have a
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Speaker 4: look at and make some sort of judgment as to
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Speaker 4: the safety in cattle. We have no data when it
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Speaker 4: comes down to it, what the cumulative effect of cows
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Speaker 4: having Beauvair in their food is. And I said, you know,
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Speaker 4: on that basis that they hadn't been fully transparent with me,
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Speaker 4: I didn't trust the process and I didn't trust what
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Speaker 4: they were saying. And that's basically where we've got to now.
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Speaker 4: So you know, it doesn't look like there's going to
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Speaker 4: be any withdrawal of Beauvair at this immediate time. I
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Speaker 4: also pointed out to the Food Standard Agency that they
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Speaker 4: are a government agency. They are therefore effectively, you know,
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Speaker 4: work for the public, and the public have made it
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Speaker 4: very clear that we do not want Beauvair being included
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Speaker 4: in our food chain or be you know, fed to
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Speaker 4: the to the cows. The milk will still go into
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Speaker 4: our food chain and therefore they are part of that
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Speaker 4: food chain. And the public have been very outspoken, you know,
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Speaker 4: to the point where they even issued statements themselves. They
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Speaker 4: recognize that the public doesn't want boverair, there is no
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Speaker 4: need for it, and ultimately they need to be doing
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Speaker 4: what what the public wants. And given that there's no
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Speaker 4: you know, super imperative for it to be introduced immediately
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Speaker 4: and fast tracked, then you know, they should have demanded
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Speaker 4: that there were proper length trials if that's what they
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Speaker 4: wanted to do. And because they haven't demanded those long
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Speaker 4: term trials, as far as I'm concerned, the product has
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Speaker 4: been fast tracked.
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Speaker 1: Yes, again, then Roger, we find ourselves in a situation
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Speaker 1: where we've got fast track. So, you know, like with
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Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen vaccines that were fast tracked. So if
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Speaker 1: we don't know if bovia is safe for cattle, we
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Speaker 1: cannot possibly know that it's safe for humans.
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Speaker 2: Am I right in saying that?
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Speaker 4: I think is certainly in the long term. You know,
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Speaker 4: they've looked at the short term and they say there's
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Speaker 4: very little of the active ingredient in bova that goes
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Speaker 4: into the milk, and therefore it is safe. But what
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Speaker 4: we don't know is when cattle have fed BOVAA on
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Speaker 4: a long term basis, does that metabolism within them change.
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Speaker 4: We know that there is you know, the Food Standard
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Speaker 4: didn't categorically say that there was no genotoxicity, so no
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Speaker 4: potential harm to the DNA. So if there is genotoxicity
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Speaker 4: and there is some sort of cumulative adverse effect on
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Speaker 4: the cattle, then we don't know how that composition of
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Speaker 4: milk will will potentially change over time. And you know,
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Speaker 4: people will, no doubt say or some of the scientists
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Speaker 4: might say I'm being a bit ott and all the
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Speaker 4: rest of it, but ultimately they don't know. And as
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Speaker 4: far as I'm concerned, the bottom line is we don't
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Speaker 4: need bovair anyway. There is no problem with methane. There
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Speaker 4: never has been and there never will be. It's a
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Speaker 4: ridiculous non event and to insist on it in you know,
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Speaker 4: for milk production or beef production. I do feel that
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Speaker 4: this is potentially part of the agenda where we talked
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Speaker 4: about last time, that they want us ultimately not to
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Speaker 4: be eating meat in which will obviously include beef, and
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Speaker 4: not to be having dairy either. So you know, I've
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Speaker 4: just given that overall agenda. I think we've got to
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Speaker 4: be overall suspicious of things that are being introduced now
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Speaker 4: that we've never used to have to do before, and
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Speaker 4: we're never considered necessary before. So you know, I think
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Speaker 4: suspicion has got to be the name of the game.
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Speaker 1: I think you're absolutely right, and I think as people
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Speaker 1: are listening to this, you know, people are going to
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Speaker 1: think of Bovia, we don't need it, we don't want it.
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Speaker 1: You're absolutely right, the public don't want it. But I
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Speaker 1: think what's also important to highlight is that, yes, this
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Speaker 1: is milk, this is dairy, but of course we're looking
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Speaker 1: at cheesese, we're looking at butter, We're looking at all
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Speaker 1: dairy products and many of them that people are seeing
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Speaker 1: in their supermarkets right now. Check the packaging is this
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Speaker 1: from Arla? Does this have Bovia in it? If you
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Speaker 1: want to make that informed choice. But I'm sure we're
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Speaker 1: going to be talking about Bovia and Arla very much
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Speaker 1: more in the future, because it seems to have gone
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Speaker 1: a little bit quiet. But thank you so much Roger
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Speaker 1: for that, and also the YouTube that you put out, Roger,
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Speaker 1: that's on the end of part two of our trio
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Speaker 1: of interviews. And also there is a YouTube link and
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Speaker 1: all of the details will be in the article that
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Speaker 1: will be accompanying this interview. But I think the way
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Speaker 1: that we've been talking about bovia and food, it just
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Speaker 1: segues us very nicely, doesn't it, Sandy, Because I know
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Speaker 1: that you've got just a few slides left about the
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Speaker 1: future of food and what we might be eating in
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Speaker 1: the future. Will we all be eating bugs? Sandy, take
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Speaker 1: us through your last few slides on food.
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Speaker 3: Thank you very much, Debbie, and thank you, thank you
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Speaker 3: Roger for that bovia stuff. Yes, well, unfortunately, the future
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Speaker 3: of food isn't you know? That isn't particularly good in
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Speaker 3: the UK at the moment, because you know, we've got
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Speaker 3: renewables really taking over the land from the food production.
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Speaker 3: Our land is now really being populated with all these
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Speaker 3: wind farms and solar farms and housing and while rewilding
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Speaker 3: anything but food. And this is the worry. Our land
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Speaker 3: is being given over to renewables, with more planned up
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Speaker 3: to six thousand acres each when the wind doesn't blow,
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Speaker 3: it blows too hard, and the sun doesn't shine. You know,
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Speaker 3: where is the energy? I mean, England isn't the sunniest
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Speaker 3: place in the world.
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Speaker 4: Is it.
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Speaker 3: The storage technology hasn't been developed yet, and there's large
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Speaker 3: drops throughout the year in the actual sort of production
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Speaker 3: of any energy at all. Ed Milliband has forced the
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Speaker 3: acceleration of renewable energy, saying it will decrease energy bills.
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Speaker 3: This is actually not true. Far from reducing our bills,
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Speaker 3: it will drive energy bills up. Last year, each consumer
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Speaker 3: paid forty pounds in constraint payments to the owners of
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Speaker 3: wind farms asked to turn off their turbines. This figure
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Speaker 3: is forecast to increase by one hundred and fifty pounds
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Speaker 3: per household by twenty twenty six. The Energy Secretary claims
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Speaker 3: that thousands of new jobs will be created in wind
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Speaker 3: and solar. But for who, you know, the Chinese are
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Speaker 3: making all these solar panels. Who's actually benefiting from this?
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Speaker 3: I don't believe it's the UK. So really, the infrastructure,
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Speaker 3: you know, these huge things that that you know, the
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Speaker 3: turbines and the solar farms are not they're not actually
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Speaker 3: quite toxic, you know, the wind turbines, they kill birds
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Speaker 3: and you can't once they're done, they only have a
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Speaker 3: lifespan I think of twelve years. You can't dispose of them.
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Speaker 3: They have to be buried under the earth. And it's
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Speaker 3: likewise with the solar panels. You know that they can
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Speaker 3: leach toxins into the into the farm land. So I
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Speaker 3: don't know what what you know, what use they are
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Speaker 3: actually And what's really worrying is that land mapping, as
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Speaker 3: I said earlier, for the future, is increasing all of this,
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Speaker 3: So where will the food come from? You know, we
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Speaker 3: need to ask that question. And this came to my
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Speaker 3: attention in twenty twenty. It's a Agricultural Productivity Working Group
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Speaker 3: report and they focused on new production methods for farming.
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Speaker 3: They talk about autonomous systems becoming widespread and having largely
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Speaker 3: taken the place of people, you know, within farms. You
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Speaker 3: know that they're going to replace farm workers with robotics.
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Speaker 3: That's the kind of you know, the future that they
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Speaker 3: see for US autonomous soil testing combined with the use
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Speaker 3: of small fleets of robots powered by five G and
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Speaker 3: they're seeing this as twenty four to seven. You know,
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Speaker 3: they're going to have robotic farming twenty four to seven.
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Speaker 3: So it's going to take out the workforce, you know,
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Speaker 3: the farming workforce that we have now, and farmers need
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Speaker 3: to be aware of this because a lot of the
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Speaker 3: time it's farmers on their own, so they're going to
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Speaker 3: be replaced. That's what they're going to do. Bigger farmers
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Speaker 3: esay employee workers, but a lot of farmers now do
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Speaker 3: their own work because it's so expensive, and certainly the
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Speaker 3: small to medium sized farms. So you know, we've got
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Speaker 3: agri farming methods, you know that have been pushed into
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Speaker 3: our natural sort of farming. You know, they're using five
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Speaker 3: G a lot, they're putting five G collars on cows,
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Speaker 3: or they did in Somerset. They were trialing five G
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Speaker 3: collars on cows to monitor their output of milk and
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Speaker 3: how much they're eating and what's going on in their bodies.
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Speaker 3: All of this is being monitored and so they're using
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Speaker 3: a lot of data and data is central to enabling
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Speaker 3: these new systems to work. You know, they also want
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Speaker 3: not the farmers not to be be able to pass
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Speaker 3: their farms down and obviously that's been evident with the
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Speaker 3: inheritance tax. But this is also in this document saying
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Speaker 3: that in order in order to create a centralized professional
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Speaker 3: body for farming and water country, you'll have to actually
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Speaker 3: go to it through a training process, and this professional
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Speaker 3: body will be overlooked by a framework under which all
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Speaker 3: systems will be managed. So I see this as another
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Speaker 3: push in the in the in the whole plan to
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Speaker 3: really get all the data from our from our farms
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Speaker 3: into the government so that the government can monitor everything.
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Speaker 3: And it's all about stakeholder capitalism and stakeholder profit and
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Speaker 3: data entry. Unfortunately, I'm going to move on to a
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Speaker 3: very disturbing report by Sainsbury's and I would urge anybody
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Speaker 3: to look this up. This is the Sainsbury's Future of
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Speaker 3: Food Report. You can just google it find it. And
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Speaker 3: the CEO of Sainsbury's has said in the future farmers
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Speaker 3: won't exist. Supermarkets will produce all the food for the
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Speaker 3: future using AI technology. So there is this plan not
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Speaker 3: to have farmers at all. In my view, this is
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Speaker 3: what they're pushing for for the future and the future
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Speaker 3: of Food report literally it goes from twenty twenty five
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Speaker 3: to twenty one sixty nine and it's a very comprehensive report.
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Speaker 3: And Claire Hughes, the head of Quality and Innovation at Sainsbury's, said,
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Speaker 3: by twenty one sixty nine, working alongside our supplies and producers,
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Speaker 3: we predict have introduced foods like jellyfish and patch dinners
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Speaker 3: to the public diet that are not even fav athmerable.
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Speaker 3: And so they talk about patched dinners and I thought,
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Speaker 3: what is a patch dinner? And apparently it's an adhesive
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Speaker 3: transdermal delivery device for the absorption of nutrients. So maybe
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Speaker 3: they're planning on us not eating at all and having
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Speaker 3: these transdermal patches. I mean, the whole thing is absolutely dystopian.
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Speaker 3: I can't believe it. And they say, you know, due
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Speaker 3: to our rising eco anxiety, health concerned and awareness of
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Speaker 3: animal welfare, it's likely that a port of British people
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Speaker 3: will be vegetarian in twenty twenty five. I think they're
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Speaker 3: pushing it. It's twenty twenty five now. It says half
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Speaker 3: of us will identify as flexitarians and will have products
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Speaker 3: like banana blossom replacing cod and lots of algae milk lattes.
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Speaker 3: The alternative proteins market is set by twenty five percent
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Speaker 3: and they're looking at insect carbonara. I mean, they talk
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Speaker 3: all this horrendous kind of replacement protein stuff, so this
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Speaker 3: is what they see. They say, twenty fifty we could
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Speaker 3: start to see cultured meat shift from an expensive experiment
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Speaker 3: becoming more of an everyday item. So they're talking about
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Speaker 3: fake meat. Basically, Ajinsburds could be selling home lab grown
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Speaker 3: meat kits which can be picked up from the lab
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Speaker 3: grown aisle. So it's a very long term project because
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Speaker 3: they're talking about one hundred and fifty years or so,
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Speaker 3: and it's pretty dystopian anyway, and I do urge people
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Speaker 3: to look at that. It's not very good, Sandy.
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Speaker 2: I'm sort of sitting here.
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Speaker 1: It's not often that I'm that speechless, because let's face it,
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Speaker 1: we're living in twenty twenty five and anything goes it
19:31
Speaker 1: would seem. So I've just written a couple of things
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Speaker 1: down here. So insects carbonara, no thank you. Lab grown
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Speaker 1: aisles in supermarkets, no thank you. And I just wanted
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Speaker 1: to say that you mentioned transdermal there, and transdermal, of
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Speaker 1: course means through the skin. And we're going to come
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Speaker 1: to Roger in a minute, because I know Roger's got
19:58
Speaker 1: something to say too. But I'm just wondering, and I'm
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Speaker 1: just going to throw it out there that in this
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Speaker 1: age of what we appear to be going into of transhumanism,
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Speaker 1: then perhaps the human of the future, or not the
20:13
Speaker 1: human of the future, the transhuman of the future, is
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Speaker 1: going to require a transdermal food, either through skin or
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Speaker 1: absorbed through any other orifice.
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Speaker 2: I presume.
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Speaker 1: I'm not sure. I'm just a little bit speechless. Who
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Speaker 1: wants to Roger, would you like to would you like
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Speaker 1: to add anything there? Before Sandy just carries on with
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Speaker 1: her reports.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I've read the Reporter and it is
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Speaker 4: quite bizarre, and it even talks about a syntax for
20:46
Speaker 4: eating meat, and that was suggested by a group called
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Speaker 4: Fair Fai Double R that was founded in twenty sixteen,
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Speaker 4: which was supposed to be recommending, you know, the ESGS
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Speaker 4: and their vision to rebuild agriculture. So this really is
21:04
Speaker 4: the government looking to take over farms and tell farmers
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Speaker 4: what they want to be planted, rather than let farmers
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Speaker 4: know what's best in their own fields and on their
21:15
Speaker 4: own land through historical you know, learning down through the
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Speaker 4: generations what foods work and what foods don't work. In
21:21
Speaker 4: terms of growing crops on their land. So it really is,
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Speaker 4: you know, looking to take over and dictate to the
21:28
Speaker 4: farmers what they're going to do and what they're going
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Speaker 4: to produce. And of course all these these sustainable goals
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Speaker 4: that they've said for, you know, put forward for businesses.
21:38
Speaker 4: You know, farming is a business as well, and so
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Speaker 4: a lot of these, you know, maybe even diversity rules
21:43
Speaker 4: are going to be pushed on farmers too, and they
21:46
Speaker 4: will be fined if they don't introduce them on their
21:48
Speaker 4: farms and all the rest of it. But I mean,
21:50
Speaker 4: this whole franken food thing is just ridiculous. I mean,
21:56
Speaker 4: it brings a whole new meaning to the water. There's
21:58
Speaker 4: a fly in my soup, it certainly does.
22:01
Speaker 1: And I mean you said the word there, that word,
22:05
Speaker 1: the sustainable word, where clearly none of this is sustainable,
22:10
Speaker 1: it's unsustainable. And you also mentioned I think you mentioned
22:15
Speaker 1: diversity inclusion and equity there, which actually de ie diversity
22:20
Speaker 1: inclusion equity seems quite appropriate. I mean, it's just I'm
22:25
Speaker 1: a little bit speecious. But Sandy, now that you've done
22:29
Speaker 1: that to both myself and Roger, and I know that
22:31
Speaker 1: Roger's read the report, but syntax isn't. I'm just a
22:34
Speaker 1: little bit speechless. Still carry on, Sandy, tell us a
22:37
Speaker 1: bit more or do we need to know more?
22:41
Speaker 3: But they talk also about three D printed meat, and
22:46
Speaker 3: I've seen quite a few films from China. They've perfected
22:52
Speaker 3: it in China using stem cells. The thing is that
22:55
Speaker 3: you know, stem cells from what you don't know what
22:57
Speaker 3: you're eating. And yes, they do have the ability to
23:00
Speaker 3: three D print meat. And on the Saintsbury's Future Food
23:05
Speaker 3: there is a big diagram of how food will be
23:07
Speaker 3: in the future and it's quite dystopian. And they even
23:10
Speaker 3: talk about growing food in space by twenty one sixty nine.
23:14
Speaker 3: And they've got, you know, pictures illustrations of three D
23:17
Speaker 3: printed meat and crickets and algae and jellyfish and seaweed
23:22
Speaker 3: and all these different replacement proteins. And you know, it's
23:27
Speaker 3: as far as I'm concerned, they're just they're just as
23:31
Speaker 3: Roger said they are. They are looking at ways of
23:35
Speaker 3: replacing our farmers and taking and putting it into the
23:38
Speaker 3: hands of big corporations like supermarkets. It may be it
23:43
Speaker 3: could be any corporation. I mean, as we know, Bill
23:45
Speaker 3: Gates owns a lot of land in America. The big
23:48
Speaker 3: corporations are literally it's going to be that. It's almost
23:52
Speaker 3: as though the farmers are being pushed into this land
23:56
Speaker 3: grap where they won't be in charge, in control of
23:59
Speaker 3: their land. It will be big corporations with this kind
24:02
Speaker 3: of dystopian future for food and it's not good.
24:06
Speaker 1: So, okay, Sandy, thank you for that. I think we're
24:09
Speaker 1: all a little bit gob smacked. But you talked about
24:12
Speaker 1: climate myths there, and I know that Roger, You've got
24:14
Speaker 1: something to say about why we're being driven by these
24:18
Speaker 1: climate myths.
24:19
Speaker 2: Take us, take us through that.
24:21
Speaker 4: Yes, it's interesting, isn't it.
24:23
Speaker 3: You.
24:23
Speaker 4: You know, if you speak to some people who are
24:25
Speaker 4: sort of scared, you know that they are genuinely scared
24:28
Speaker 4: themselves about the whole climate thing. I'm not saying that.
24:31
Speaker 4: You know, a lot of people just just have picked
24:33
Speaker 4: up the wrong end of the stick and have brought
24:36
Speaker 4: into the whole scare mongering themselves. But if you ask
24:39
Speaker 4: them what the concentration of CO two in the atmosphere is,
24:42
Speaker 4: most of them haven't got a clue. They'll probably say
24:44
Speaker 4: something like twenty percent. And actually, the current rate of
24:48
Speaker 4: or level of CO two in the atmosphere is four
24:50
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty parts per million, which is point zero
24:54
Speaker 4: four two percent, which is well below the six thousand
24:57
Speaker 4: parts per million when the Earth was at its greenest,
24:59
Speaker 4: and much closer, you know, at the moment to the
25:02
Speaker 4: one hundred and fifty parts per million below which life
25:05
Speaker 4: cannot survive. So you know, we need to get the
25:08
Speaker 4: CO two up. We don't need to get it get
25:10
Speaker 4: it down. Similarly, methane is one nine hundred and eleven
25:15
Speaker 4: parts per billion, and it gets a percentage that is
25:18
Speaker 4: zero point zero zero zero one one percent of the atmosphere,
25:24
Speaker 4: so it's absolutely tiny. The insects actually produce more methane
25:30
Speaker 4: than cattle. But you know, ultimately whichever wherever it's been produced,
25:35
Speaker 4: whether it's in insects or in cattle, but even outside
25:39
Speaker 4: of cattle or sort of, we know when vegetation is rotting,
25:41
Speaker 4: it's bacteria that ultimately generates these the methane. So shifting
25:47
Speaker 4: it from in and out of different species isn't really
25:52
Speaker 4: changing the problem anywhay. As far as I'm aware, there
25:54
Speaker 4: has been no actual sort of work done to see
25:59
Speaker 4: what theffect of using beauve air on climacy is. All
26:02
Speaker 4: they do is they talk about, well, it reduces methane
26:05
Speaker 4: coming out of cows, but the fact that it might
26:08
Speaker 4: you know that you're going to get other gases and
26:10
Speaker 4: like hydrogen whatever being produced instead. They don't talk about,
26:13
Speaker 4: well what will that do? Because if hydrogen oxidized, it
26:16
Speaker 4: produces water vapor, and water vapor is an even greater
26:19
Speaker 4: greenhouse gas supposedly than CO two and methane. So you
26:23
Speaker 4: know that all they're doing is like what we've done
26:25
Speaker 4: with our industry. You know, we've banished our manufacturing industries
26:29
Speaker 4: in the UK, sent them to China and India, and
26:33
Speaker 4: then you know, all the pollutions being produced there instead
26:35
Speaker 4: of here, and we sort of pat ourselves on the back.
26:38
Speaker 4: But what we've done is just move it around the world,
26:40
Speaker 4: and they're trying to do the same really with the
26:43
Speaker 4: methane production as well. And methane itself has a ten
26:47
Speaker 4: year carbon cycle, so you know, it really in the
26:51
Speaker 4: ground scale of how long the planet's been going and
26:54
Speaker 4: how much longer it's going to keep going if we
26:56
Speaker 4: don't blow it up with nuclear weapons. Then you know,
27:00
Speaker 4: ten years is nothing in that long scale. Just before
27:04
Speaker 4: Christmas I came across a paper which I think is
27:06
Speaker 4: the fundamental thing to the whole climate issue anyway, is
27:11
Speaker 4: that there is actually no planetary greenhouse gas effect anyway.
27:15
Speaker 4: Radiation does not determine the Earth temperature. Convection does, and
27:20
Speaker 4: that's only so heat leaves and it's only stopped by clouds.
27:23
Speaker 4: And everybody knows, you know, if you've in the middle
27:26
Speaker 4: of the summer, if you know the temperature drops on
27:29
Speaker 4: those evenings where there is no cloud cover, nothing keeps that.
27:33
Speaker 4: You know, it is cloud cover that keeps our heat in.
27:36
Speaker 4: And yet this idea that they're doing all these cloud
27:39
Speaker 4: seeding to generate clouds, and actually that actually increases the
27:43
Speaker 4: warming of the planet rather than reducing it. I mean,
27:45
Speaker 4: it just shows how how ridiculous and how stupid it is.
27:50
Speaker 4: And so ultimately all the climate models that they've done
27:53
Speaker 4: that are based on the greenhouse gas effects are completely
27:56
Speaker 4: bogused because it's based on a myth. There's been other
27:58
Speaker 4: papers published where temperature rises before CO two, not the
28:02
Speaker 4: other way around. You know, it's just poor modeling. And
28:06
Speaker 4: there's various different cycles which aren't taken into consideration, like
28:10
Speaker 4: the Malankovich cycles, and they don't look at what happens
28:13
Speaker 4: with the ocean's currents and how that feeds into into
28:17
Speaker 4: into the whole climate issue as well. So there's huge
28:21
Speaker 4: gaps in their modeling. And what the new theory has
28:24
Speaker 4: actually discovered that it is the weight of the atmosphere
28:27
Speaker 4: itself and the potential energy of of the weight of
28:31
Speaker 4: all the gases that actually override and control the temperature
28:37
Speaker 4: of our planet. And the great thing about this paper
28:40
Speaker 4: I think that gives it great credibility is that they've
28:42
Speaker 4: looked at the data not only for planet Earth, but
28:46
Speaker 4: they've looked at it for other planets as well, and
28:48
Speaker 4: it works for other planets. So, you know, a model
28:52
Speaker 4: based on on on this new theory that actually fits
28:56
Speaker 4: all you know, all the all the planets that they've
28:58
Speaker 4: got the data for to me, must therefore be far
29:02
Speaker 4: more likely to be true than any figures based on
29:06
Speaker 4: model that doesn't even fit the data that we have
29:09
Speaker 4: got for our own planet, let alone any others. So
29:11
Speaker 4: the whole thing is a fallacy. And we actually know
29:16
Speaker 4: that grassland actually sequesters carbon and it increases carbon sequestering
29:24
Speaker 4: and reduces carbon dioxide anyway, So you know, we actually
29:29
Speaker 4: need more land to be put to grassland with cattle
29:32
Speaker 4: growing on it, and that it's the cattle moving around
29:36
Speaker 4: that actually helps to keep the soil healthy as well.
29:40
Speaker 4: And this is a process that's been actually used by
29:42
Speaker 4: a chap called DOTR Allen Savory in Africa where they've
29:45
Speaker 4: they've got herds of goats and sheep and move them
29:49
Speaker 4: around these aried areas and they've found that that actually
29:53
Speaker 4: gets breaks up the soil and obviously that the dung
29:57
Speaker 4: from from the cattle from you know, whether it's cattle,
29:59
Speaker 4: she or goats or whatever, you know, that then gets
30:02
Speaker 4: incorporated into the soil and it sort of rejuvenates the
30:05
Speaker 4: soil and then other plants can grow, so you know,
30:08
Speaker 4: and we're seeing that the planet is greening overall anyway.
30:12
Speaker 4: So you know, there's what they're trying to get us
30:15
Speaker 4: to achieve with climate and with methane is totally wrong anyway.
30:22
Speaker 4: And what's even worse is the factors they're they're introducing
30:26
Speaker 4: to try and achieve it are actually adding to what
30:29
Speaker 4: actually they see the problem as instead of actually solving
30:33
Speaker 4: it anyway. So the whole thing is such a mess.
30:36
Speaker 4: And you know, I was saying, there's close to me
30:39
Speaker 4: in Wiltshire, there's there's people probably heard about line Down,
30:44
Speaker 4: or may have heard of lined Down, which is a
30:46
Speaker 4: massive solar farm which they're looking at trying to build
30:50
Speaker 4: in Wiltshire, which obviously doesn't need to go ahead. And
30:53
Speaker 4: I was sent an email to the guys who are
30:57
Speaker 4: arranging the you know, the demonstration and the counter arguments
31:02
Speaker 4: to look for it, and I said, you know, you
31:03
Speaker 4: need to you need to talk about this whole climate
31:07
Speaker 4: issue not being based on anything truthful, because at the moment,
31:11
Speaker 4: if you don't talk about the fact that there's no
31:13
Speaker 4: greenhouse gath, it becomes a nimby effect. You know, you
31:16
Speaker 4: just don't want it in your backyard, whereas actually it
31:19
Speaker 4: doesn't need to be anybody's backyard because it's fundamentally unnecessary.
31:23
Speaker 4: And so this is the message that I think when
31:25
Speaker 4: it comes to climate that we need to get out
31:27
Speaker 4: that there is no greenhouse effect and therefore everything based
31:31
Speaker 4: on that premise, including net zero and and you know
31:35
Speaker 4: the absolute zero that Sandy discovered as well. You know,
31:39
Speaker 4: it really is such a bad agenda and it will
31:44
Speaker 4: bankrupt the country if we're not already bankrupt already that
31:48
Speaker 4: you know that we need to sort of get a
31:50
Speaker 4: grip otherwise you know, we really are on a very
31:53
Speaker 4: slippery slope very quickly.
31:54
Speaker 1: And on that note, Roger, I don't want any of this,
31:58
Speaker 1: and I would imagine that the audience that are watching
32:00
Speaker 1: this right now and the chat box are probably saying
32:03
Speaker 1: we don't want this either. The public do not want this.
32:07
Speaker 1: And yet the government are going to and the United
32:09
Speaker 1: Nations Agenda and all that we've heard from both of
32:13
Speaker 1: you over the last two parts, they're going to force
32:16
Speaker 1: this on us. What can we do because we don't
32:19
Speaker 1: want wind farms, we don't want solo farms. What can
32:22
Speaker 1: we do? What's your message to us as consumers?
32:27
Speaker 4: Us as consumers, but also you know, we need the
32:30
Speaker 4: farmers to co operate as well. So as consumers, we
32:33
Speaker 4: need locally produced UK grown produce that is the healthiest
32:38
Speaker 4: that we can eat. We need to buy director as
32:41
Speaker 4: much as possible from the farmers, with as fewer middlemen
32:45
Speaker 4: and wholesalers as possible, so that the farmers get sufficient
32:49
Speaker 4: income from their produce. And you know that the public
32:56
Speaker 4: can still buy it at a good price that the
32:58
Speaker 4: supermarkets have forced it down onto. You know, we can
33:02
Speaker 4: may go up a bit, but obviously if the middle
33:05
Speaker 4: guys aren't taking their money out. Then the farmers will
33:07
Speaker 4: get a much better price. Our price won't change hugely,
33:10
Speaker 4: and well we'll do. Everybody be much better off. And
33:13
Speaker 4: we need nutritious food. We know, we need the ground
33:16
Speaker 4: to be farmed regeneratively too. You know, the farmers do
33:19
Speaker 4: have their part to play in this. These mono crops
33:22
Speaker 4: are the crops that are using all the pesticides and
33:26
Speaker 4: the agro kem And again, as consumers, we don't want
33:30
Speaker 4: that either. You know, we appreciate good food, but we
33:36
Speaker 4: want it to be produced regeneratively so that the land
33:39
Speaker 4: is genuinely being looked after and in a fit state
33:42
Speaker 4: to be handed down through the generations. So you know,
33:47
Speaker 4: it will be slightly less efficient and it won't be
33:52
Speaker 4: so intensively weird, but that's good welfare, which makes the
33:55
Speaker 4: food even more nutritious for us. That there's various work
34:00
Speaker 4: done on nutrition to show that grass fed beef is
34:04
Speaker 4: more healthy for us than grain fed beef, for example,
34:07
Speaker 4: So you know, there are advantages all all the way around.
34:11
Speaker 4: You know, we don't need these seller farms and wind
34:13
Speaker 4: farms on fertile ground, as we sort of mentioned, as
34:16
Speaker 4: Sandy talked about in part two. You know, the band
34:19
Speaker 4: that they're talking about using for shipping and aviation means
34:24
Speaker 4: that if we aren't producing the food then then we
34:28
Speaker 4: can't ship it in. If there's no there's aviation and
34:31
Speaker 4: shipping going on. So you know, the only solution is
34:34
Speaker 4: that we've got to produce our food ourselves. So you know,
34:37
Speaker 4: we need the farmers to carry on farming. We don't
34:41
Speaker 4: want the government corporations telling the farmers what to do,
34:44
Speaker 4: and we need the public obviously to support the farmers
34:47
Speaker 4: during that transition and to source our food as locally
34:51
Speaker 4: as possible. And I think it's doable. I think what
34:55
Speaker 4: has the good that has come out of the beauver
34:57
Speaker 4: air situation is I think more food groups and there
35:01
Speaker 4: are more farmers who are open now to supplying more
35:05
Speaker 4: locally and directly, and there are more people looking to buy.
35:09
Speaker 4: But that is something which needs, you know, to expand
35:13
Speaker 4: up and gear up and become the norm rather than
35:16
Speaker 4: the exception.
35:18
Speaker 1: So what we're looking at everybody watching is we're looking
35:21
Speaker 1: at a collaboration. We're looking at everybody joining together. And
35:24
Speaker 1: that's not just us the consumers, the public, those of
35:28
Speaker 1: us who are buying food. That's the farmers, as Roger
35:32
Speaker 1: has said, and also the vets as well. So if farmers,
35:38
Speaker 1: vets and the public can all stick together and support
35:43
Speaker 1: our local farmers, then we might actually get somewhere, because
35:46
Speaker 1: currently the UK is looking extremely unstable and unsustainable to me,
35:54
Speaker 1: and I know you know, with so much going on
35:57
Speaker 1: in the news, both of you. We've got a bird flu,
36:01
Speaker 1: we've got mad cow disease, We've got all sorts of
36:04
Speaker 1: different diseases springing up all over the place that we're
36:08
Speaker 1: getting warning alerts for, etc. We've got issues with testing,
36:12
Speaker 1: which Roger, we've spoken about before with regards to PCR testing.
36:16
Speaker 1: But one thing I do want to throw out to
36:18
Speaker 1: both of you for your comments is this Climate Nature
36:21
Speaker 1: Bill that is coming in almost by stealth, but has
36:27
Speaker 1: huge repercussions in the grander scheme of things.
36:30
Speaker 2: And of course it's.
36:31
Speaker 1: Not just in the UK with the Climate in Nature Bill,
36:34
Speaker 1: but other European countries and other countries in the West
36:38
Speaker 1: they have their equivalent. But who wants to go first
36:42
Speaker 1: with regards to the impacts or possible impacts of the
36:46
Speaker 1: Climate Nature Bill.
36:47
Speaker 3: Well, I've been I've been looking quite deeply into this
36:50
Speaker 3: because I've been asked to do another interview on it,
36:52
Speaker 3: and you know, it's it's interesting because having looked at
36:57
Speaker 3: the Absolute zero document, this is it's almost giving it
37:00
Speaker 3: the go ahead in my view. So it's called the
37:04
Speaker 3: Climate in Natureville and it's an acceleration of the two
37:08
Speaker 3: thousand and eight Climate Change Act and it's been brought
37:10
Speaker 3: together by the Climate Change Committee and what they call
37:14
Speaker 3: the j NCC, which is the Joint Nature Conservation Committee.
37:18
Speaker 3: Now what people may not know is way back in
37:23
Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, Theresa May planted a massive bomb before she
37:27
Speaker 3: left office. In May twenty nineteen, she amended the two
37:32
Speaker 3: thousand and eight Climate Change Act and brought in a
37:36
Speaker 3: statutory instrument to that Act, encoding climate change into UK law.
37:44
Speaker 3: So we're the only country in the world to have
37:47
Speaker 3: done this. So I think that what she implemented then
37:51
Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen, this is what it is. This is
37:54
Speaker 3: this is the Climate in Nature Bill. They've obviously worked
37:56
Speaker 3: on it and it is legally binding and it gives
38:00
Speaker 3: as a Secretary of State a duty to implement a
38:03
Speaker 3: strategy to eradicate the UK's net contribution to climate change
38:08
Speaker 3: by twenty fifty And it's basically restoring it to pre
38:11
Speaker 3: Industrial Revolution levels. Now, firstly they will establish a Climate
38:17
Speaker 3: Chare and Nature Assembly to advise the government on that strategy,
38:21
Speaker 3: and then they've got twelve months after passing the bill
38:25
Speaker 3: they will have to lay the strategy before Parliament. Now
38:28
Speaker 3: what interesting is the Act mentioned significantly reducing CO two
38:32
Speaker 3: on imports to the UK. And this is where I
38:35
Speaker 3: think the climate in nature it's sorry, the Absolute Zero
38:39
Speaker 3: Document of twenty eighteen twenty nineteen really kicks in because
38:45
Speaker 3: in that as we know, they want to get rid
38:48
Speaker 3: of all shipping and all flying in and out of
38:52
Speaker 3: the UK by twenty fifty. And this is what I
38:55
Speaker 3: think it's all about. I mean, there's obviously a lot
38:57
Speaker 3: more in that document people need to look. I think
39:00
Speaker 3: we did feature it in the last the last episode.
39:04
Speaker 2: But in my.
39:05
Speaker 3: View, this bill is really the bill that you know.
39:09
Speaker 3: It aims to keep us cold, hungry and poor. At
39:12
Speaker 3: the moment, we're poorer than the poorest state in the
39:14
Speaker 3: United States, which is Mississippi and under Starmer. Unfortunately, we'll
39:19
Speaker 3: dive deeper into that poverty if we don't stop it,
39:22
Speaker 3: and we need to. That's my contribution to the Plan bill.
39:26
Speaker 2: Yes, a very valuable contribution and thank you.
39:30
Speaker 1: As I understand it, I think there's another reading for
39:32
Speaker 1: the bill coming up, or as this broadcast goes out
39:35
Speaker 1: it will all already come up in Parliament again. And
39:38
Speaker 1: as I understand it, it's looking at land grabs in
39:43
Speaker 1: the form of we're looking at more wind farms, we're
39:45
Speaker 1: looking at more solar farms, we're looking at more smart meters,
39:50
Speaker 1: we're looking at more heat pumps. We're looking at surveillance,
39:53
Speaker 1: we're looking at tracking, we're looking at tracing. All the
39:55
Speaker 1: things that we've been talking about over the well this
39:59
Speaker 1: now third interview, all of those things seem to culminate
40:04
Speaker 1: in this Climate and Nature Bill, of which I have
40:06
Speaker 1: to add there are no dates in this bill. There's
40:08
Speaker 1: very little detail in this bill, so they're keeping it
40:12
Speaker 1: all quite close to their chest. But I definitely agree
40:16
Speaker 1: and I think it's it's one hundred percent. We have
40:19
Speaker 1: to keep our eyes firmly on that, especially as all
40:22
Speaker 1: of these Private Members bills go through pretty much by stealth.
40:26
Speaker 1: So on Climate and Nature. Roger, is there anything that
40:29
Speaker 1: you would like to add on the Climate and Nature Bill?
40:32
Speaker 4: Yes, DeBie, I think I agree with you. It is,
40:35
Speaker 4: you know, part of setting everything up for this land
40:37
Speaker 4: grab because you know they'll pass this billing. It may
40:40
Speaker 4: look fairly innocuous if you read through it and take
40:43
Speaker 4: it at phase value, but of course the problems with
40:46
Speaker 4: acts is once they're enacted, then they can be tweaked
40:50
Speaker 4: and change that much more easily in future, and therefore
40:53
Speaker 4: make it that much easier to grab the land. And
40:57
Speaker 4: you know we've sort of hinted it already today in
41:00
Speaker 4: that how the government is looking to you to tell
41:04
Speaker 4: the farmers how to use that land. So if they
41:07
Speaker 4: decide that this farm isn't productive enough because we've asked
41:10
Speaker 4: it to do these crops and even though that crop
41:12
Speaker 4: isn't suitable for that land, so therefore it's not producing
41:15
Speaker 4: the yield that we want. So therefore we're going to
41:17
Speaker 4: put it into solar farm because actually we've committed ourselves
41:21
Speaker 4: so much to artificial intelligence, as Starma has been talking
41:25
Speaker 4: and telling us about recently, and that takes so much
41:28
Speaker 4: energy that we actually need to increase the land use
41:32
Speaker 4: for energy production rather than food production because we're actually
41:37
Speaker 4: not being able to produce in that for electricity any
41:40
Speaker 4: other way, and you know, we're going to end up
41:43
Speaker 4: in a two tier again, two tier Starma, two tier
41:47
Speaker 4: system where by industry will be prioritized for electricity because
41:52
Speaker 4: they want to make the money out of the artificial
41:54
Speaker 4: intelligence and the rest of it, and the rest of
41:58
Speaker 4: us who want electricity, you know, for living, our lives
42:03
Speaker 4: will be restricted and we'll have blackouts and all the
42:06
Speaker 4: rest of it. So, you know, and they talk about
42:09
Speaker 4: getting rid of fossil fuels, I mean the amount of
42:11
Speaker 4: oil and nubrication that these wind farms need and all
42:15
Speaker 4: the rest of it. I mean, it's it's a joke
42:18
Speaker 4: that the idea that they can get rid of fossil
42:21
Speaker 4: fuels and oil and all the rest of it. It's
42:24
Speaker 4: you know, it is all part of this lap grab.
42:26
Speaker 4: It is absolutely that, and it's setting this Climate and
42:30
Speaker 4: Nature Bill is setting down the basis that they can
42:34
Speaker 4: tweak it in future and grab whatever they want to
42:37
Speaker 4: whenever they want to.
42:40
Speaker 2: Yes, you're quite correct, they really are grabbing.
42:43
Speaker 1: And I can see Sandy with your hands up there
42:45
Speaker 1: because I know you're desperately wanting to come in with
42:47
Speaker 1: something extra on Sandy.
42:49
Speaker 3: Yeah, I do think that this is This is also
42:52
Speaker 3: what we mentioned earlier on in I think the first
42:55
Speaker 3: episode that there is this financial instrument that they've used.
42:59
Speaker 3: They've brought in for it's called biodiversity net gain for
43:05
Speaker 3: land and to control the land under sustainable development. And
43:10
Speaker 3: I think that that will really kick in where they
43:12
Speaker 3: will start controlling the land because they'll say, right, you're
43:15
Speaker 3: not you're you know, you're you're not complying to sustainable
43:18
Speaker 3: development and for the for this for the Climate and
43:21
Speaker 3: Nature Bill, your land isn't sustainable as far as energy
43:26
Speaker 3: is concerned. So they could that this is a way
43:29
Speaker 3: they will control things. And also they do mention in
43:32
Speaker 3: that bill a planetary diet. I do think that they've
43:35
Speaker 3: got plans to actually put us on that planetary diet,
43:38
Speaker 3: which you can look up. It's in the Sporty Cities
43:41
Speaker 3: document and it's a form of rationing. It's what you
43:45
Speaker 3: can and can't eat and how much of different food
43:49
Speaker 3: groups you can and can't eat. So they really want
43:52
Speaker 3: to control everything and keep us as I say, cold, hungry,
43:56
Speaker 3: and poort.
43:57
Speaker 1: It's interesting you say that, actually, Sandy, because you know,
44:00
Speaker 1: you say one diet. What you've said about the diet,
44:04
Speaker 1: this planetary diet, it's almost like it's one diet, you know,
44:07
Speaker 1: one health New World order won everything. It's like, it
44:12
Speaker 1: really does feel to me as though we're going to
44:14
Speaker 1: be feeding a different species and not humans like us.
44:20
Speaker 1: So I'm seeing a very dark side to that. But
44:23
Speaker 1: you know, you're talking about land grabs and you're talking
44:26
Speaker 1: about the way that farmers may lose their land with wind,
44:30
Speaker 1: solar and a multitude of other reasons why they'll lose
44:35
Speaker 1: their land, inheritance tax being one of them. But I
44:37
Speaker 1: just want to bring to your attention because I don't
44:39
Speaker 1: know if you're aware of this, but I've only just
44:42
Speaker 1: picked up on it in the last couple of days
44:44
Speaker 1: that the Department for Science, Innovation and Technology put out
44:49
Speaker 1: a little video on x I'm sure we can find
44:53
Speaker 1: it and put a link in the article. But they're
44:56
Speaker 1: talking about growth zones AI Artificial intelligence growth zones. These
45:03
Speaker 1: are factories for AI's and AI and they're going to
45:06
Speaker 1: be using fields, farmers fields to build these well, they're
45:11
Speaker 1: going to be transforming fields to build these huge, great
45:14
Speaker 1: big AI factories complexes, and these are going to be
45:18
Speaker 1: in places in the UK that are readily accessible to
45:23
Speaker 1: excess electricity. I can tell you now that the first
45:28
Speaker 1: place that is going to have one of these AI
45:32
Speaker 1: Growth Zones is a place called Culham in South Oxfordshire,
45:38
Speaker 1: so fairly close to Abingdon. And if you're living in
45:42
Speaker 1: South Oxfordshire now and you don't know about it, then
45:45
Speaker 1: please look up AI Growth Zone because it's coming to
45:48
Speaker 1: you very very soon. And Culham, as I believe, is
45:53
Speaker 1: just south of Abingdon, I believe, and it's only three
45:56
Speaker 1: square miles and it's only got four hundred and fifty
45:59
Speaker 1: three population, so you can imagine the amount of people
46:03
Speaker 1: that are going to be coming in and out to
46:06
Speaker 1: that huge, great big factory. So yeah, growth zones, the
46:10
Speaker 1: Opportunity the Artificial Intelligence Opportunities Plan, it's called Opportunities Action Plan,
46:17
Speaker 1: I beg your pardon, is what it's called. So yeah,
46:20
Speaker 1: that's coming to Roger. Would you like to comment on
46:23
Speaker 1: on that perhaps, Yeah.
46:25
Speaker 4: I mean it's laughable the idea that excess energy and
46:28
Speaker 4: we're struggling. You know, there was it last week or
46:32
Speaker 4: the week before, we know we didn't have that much
46:35
Speaker 4: electricity in reserve. And then you've got the likes of
46:39
Speaker 4: Google and Amazon in the States talking about saying they're
46:42
Speaker 4: going to have to build at least four nuclear power
46:45
Speaker 4: stations in order just to just to supply sufficient energy
46:49
Speaker 4: for their for their AI in the future. So the
46:53
Speaker 4: idea that AI is it could you know, it's just
46:57
Speaker 4: it's just this little thing we just tag on the end.
46:59
Speaker 4: It's like AI when it gets to that level. And
47:01
Speaker 4: if they want to introduce autonomous vehicles and all those
47:04
Speaker 4: sorts of things that will run off it, and that
47:07
Speaker 4: the the whole Internet of things and the Internet of
47:12
Speaker 4: bodies which will all require this AI and five G
47:14
Speaker 4: and interest all the rest of it. The idea that
47:17
Speaker 4: that can be just tagged off on the end of
47:19
Speaker 4: excess energy is quite laughable. Actually, we know, we know
47:23
Speaker 4: that it's going to require whole power stations on its
47:26
Speaker 4: own just to be just to be powered. And we
47:30
Speaker 4: haven't got enough power stations to do ourselves. And we
47:34
Speaker 4: know that the Sandy was saying, you know, the the
47:36
Speaker 4: air and the solar, the wind and the solar. You know,
47:40
Speaker 4: you've got to have a parallel energy grid along, you know,
47:43
Speaker 4: working alongside it, because when those aren't available, you've got
47:47
Speaker 4: to still produce the power. So you know, they can't
47:51
Speaker 4: get rid of conventional power stations really anyway, not unless
47:55
Speaker 4: they want to leave us a completely destitute of power altogether.
47:59
Speaker 4: So you know, it just shows how how little they
48:02
Speaker 4: understand what they're talking about. And they think, all AI,
48:05
Speaker 4: it sounds all great, and it sounds like we can
48:07
Speaker 4: do this and we can do that, and it will
48:09
Speaker 4: control you know, it will take our jobs great, but
48:13
Speaker 4: it's still got to be powered and the amount of
48:15
Speaker 4: power it will take is phenomenal, and there's just seems
48:18
Speaker 4: to be no comprehension. And this is again part of
48:22
Speaker 4: why I say I think this Climate and Nature Bill
48:25
Speaker 4: is setting the land up to be grabbed because they
48:28
Speaker 4: are going to need it. They you know, they want
48:31
Speaker 4: to go down their AI to the extent that kirstarm
48:34
Speaker 4: has talked about and the project that you've discovered as well, Debbie.
48:38
Speaker 4: Then you know, they've got to get their energy from somewhere.
48:42
Speaker 4: And if they're not going to do you know, old
48:44
Speaker 4: fashioned power stations, then they're going to have to you know,
48:47
Speaker 4: cover the whole country in solar and wind. You know,
48:52
Speaker 4: there won't be room for any of us, let alone fifteen
48:54
Speaker 4: minute cities.
48:55
Speaker 1: Let's hope there's plenty of us to witness what's what
48:59
Speaker 1: is going to happen, because this is going to happen
49:02
Speaker 1: unless we take a stand, and it's not just it's
49:05
Speaker 1: not just net zero, because I see that after speaking
49:09
Speaker 1: to you both for quite some time now, I can
49:13
Speaker 1: see that that's pretty much impossible. Net zero's impossible. You
49:16
Speaker 1: need fossil fuels for at least five percent of what
49:19
Speaker 1: they're doing, so it's completely impossible. But of course there's
49:23
Speaker 1: also digital ID. You know, how long before farmers, before
49:26
Speaker 1: all of us are swiping in? How long is it
49:30
Speaker 1: before a farmer swipes in to get to go near
49:32
Speaker 1: their herd, for example, or to get to go into
49:34
Speaker 1: their farmhouse, or access the vets, or access provisions or feed.
49:40
Speaker 1: We don't know. I do want to end on rather
49:43
Speaker 1: a serious note, and perhaps one that some people may
49:47
Speaker 1: not have already picked up on too much for both
49:51
Speaker 1: of your comments, because you know, predominantly, when we started
49:55
Speaker 1: out on these three interviews, and thank you so much
49:58
Speaker 1: because they are old dust, because they're so comprehensive and
50:02
Speaker 1: have so much information in them. But when we started
50:05
Speaker 1: out on this, we started out by talking about how
50:08
Speaker 1: busy farmers were and are, and that they don't have
50:12
Speaker 1: the time to do all of this research and to
50:15
Speaker 1: find out what you two have found out, which is
50:18
Speaker 1: extraordinary both of you should be professors. I think you've
50:22
Speaker 1: done two three four PhDs in one in all of
50:26
Speaker 1: this research. But not only does this affect farmers physically
50:32
Speaker 1: losing their farms and they're busy and they're tired, but
50:36
Speaker 1: it also affects their mental health. And I went to
50:40
Speaker 1: look at the Big Farming Survey from Rabi Rabi in
50:47
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, which revealed that thirty six percent of
50:49
Speaker 1: farmers in the UK are probably or possibly depressed and
50:56
Speaker 1: forty seven percent are struggling with anxiety. Only eight percent
51:02
Speaker 1: of women and twelve percent of men reported good mental
51:07
Speaker 1: well being, only eight percent of women and twelve percent
51:11
Speaker 1: of men. When I went to look at the Office
51:15
Speaker 1: for National Statistics, I found that in England and Wales
51:20
Speaker 1: there were thirty six suicides associated to the farming community
51:26
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one twenty twenty two, and also there
51:29
Speaker 1: were many farm workers twenty two farm workers who lost
51:34
Speaker 1: their lives to fatal accidents in the years twenty twenty
51:37
Speaker 1: one to twenty twenty two. So I just want to
51:41
Speaker 1: I want to put out a helpline number if there
51:43
Speaker 1: is anybody listening or watching that might need some help
51:47
Speaker 1: or might need some support and we will put this
51:50
Speaker 1: information in the article at the bottom of this interview.
51:54
Speaker 1: But if you do need help, there is a helpline
51:57
Speaker 1: number eight hundred one AI to eight double four double
52:02
Speaker 1: four where raybe r A B. I will get in
52:06
Speaker 1: touch with a farming charity on your behalf and put
52:10
Speaker 1: you in contact with someone who might be able to help.
52:13
Speaker 1: And on that note, Roger Sandy, maybe I'll come to
52:16
Speaker 1: you Roger first, because you meet many farmers on a
52:20
Speaker 1: daily basis, you have a farming background. Can you talk
52:25
Speaker 1: anymore and indeed vets as well mental health. Can you
52:29
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about that and the stress
52:33
Speaker 1: that all of this is doing to them.
52:35
Speaker 4: I mean, as you say, you know, the farmers are
52:37
Speaker 4: understressed to make ends meet as it is with the
52:40
Speaker 4: pressure from the supermarkets. You know that they're given enticing
52:47
Speaker 4: offers to turn their land over to do other things
52:50
Speaker 4: because they're not being encouraged to farm food and it
52:52
Speaker 4: we need them to do so. And then we've got
52:56
Speaker 4: the PC artists and the thing being threatened to be
53:00
Speaker 4: U is to you know, to take away their flocks
53:03
Speaker 4: of birds. And you know we haven't seen it come
53:06
Speaker 4: in for cattle here and avian flu here yet hopefully
53:10
Speaker 4: it won't. But you know, again I would push those
53:13
Speaker 4: farms who are watching this just to check out what
53:14
Speaker 4: we've already put out on the PCR, because that will
53:17
Speaker 4: put another pressure. And I know how upsetting how upset
53:22
Speaker 4: farms were when BC happened and there was you know,
53:26
Speaker 4: the funeral powers of the cows. You know, farmers are
53:28
Speaker 4: absolutely distraught and cut to pieces by by having to
53:33
Speaker 4: go through that. So you know, the people need to
53:36
Speaker 4: be aware. The farmers are under huge pressure and there
53:39
Speaker 4: is potential pressure mounting not only from the inheritance tax
53:42
Speaker 4: for you financially, but also potentially if they're going to
53:45
Speaker 4: be told how to farm. They can't even farm their
53:47
Speaker 4: own lands that they know what to do with, and
53:50
Speaker 4: they'll be told to do something completely opposite that they
53:52
Speaker 4: know to begin with isn't going to work, and then
53:54
Speaker 4: they know that they're potentially going to be penalized when
53:56
Speaker 4: it doesn't work. You know, it's all going to add
53:59
Speaker 4: pressure to them. So you know, I would say to
54:01
Speaker 4: those farmers, you know, talk to your friends, you know,
54:05
Speaker 4: make check up on somebody if you're worried about one
54:07
Speaker 4: of your farm and mates or you know, if any
54:09
Speaker 4: of the vets out there have got farmers that they
54:11
Speaker 4: recognize that they're struggling, they see them between visits. So
54:15
Speaker 4: people who see everybody on a daily basis, you don't
54:19
Speaker 4: necessarily notice that slow deterioration, but that somebody who sees
54:23
Speaker 4: farmers and people generally, you know, if you see them
54:26
Speaker 4: on an infrequent basis and you suddenly do notice a
54:29
Speaker 4: big deterioration in terms of their stress levels and mental health,
54:33
Speaker 4: then you know, look out for them, call them out,
54:36
Speaker 4: say how are you doing? Support each other, you know,
54:41
Speaker 4: and that is you know, get professional help as well,
54:43
Speaker 4: but you know your best help will come from your
54:45
Speaker 4: closest friends and family as well. And I know it
54:49
Speaker 4: is a male tendency to bottle things up, and especially
54:52
Speaker 4: when the farmers are out in the tractors on their
54:54
Speaker 4: own and they're sitting there, they've got lots of time
54:56
Speaker 4: maybe to think about things as well. So you know,
55:00
Speaker 4: please don't suffer in silence. Please talk to your neighbors,
55:04
Speaker 4: talk to your friends. It's not a sign of weakness.
55:06
Speaker 4: You know, we need you, farmers, We do need you
55:09
Speaker 4: honestly to help us get through this as well. And
55:12
Speaker 4: we will try and help you come through it too,
55:14
Speaker 4: because at the other side, on a positive note, I
55:17
Speaker 4: think we will come out of this. The system is
55:20
Speaker 4: so hair brained and ridiculous it can't possibly succeed. So
55:24
Speaker 4: there is another side to it that where we will
55:27
Speaker 4: need your food production and we will need you farmers
55:30
Speaker 4: and your knowledge of your fields. So you know, hang
55:35
Speaker 4: in there, and you know, supports everybody as much as
55:38
Speaker 4: much as you possibly can.
55:40
Speaker 3: Thank you, Roger. That was amazing, and I'd like to
55:44
Speaker 3: sort of, you know, really endorse what you said. You know,
55:47
Speaker 3: I do believe that we've got a positive future if
55:51
Speaker 3: we can actually get the farmers on board to understand
55:55
Speaker 3: exactly where this is going. I can't help but feel
55:59
Speaker 3: that because of the lawful nature of this bill and
56:04
Speaker 3: the amount of MPs behind it. I mean, do look
56:06
Speaker 3: at Zero Hour, which is the group that are pushing this. Interestingly,
56:10
Speaker 3: Zero hour was the term that Paul Pott used for
56:16
Speaker 3: his regime, and it really means replacing the old regime
56:20
Speaker 3: with the new and this group is called Zero Hour.
56:23
Speaker 3: Look it up. They've got a whole list of MPs
56:25
Speaker 3: that are actually for this bill, are supporting this bill,
56:29
Speaker 3: and we need to really go to our MPs, you know,
56:33
Speaker 3: write a letter. There's plenty of templates around. I've created one.
56:36
Speaker 3: I can actually give it to Debbie, a template for
56:39
Speaker 3: your MP to send and to really put forward your
56:44
Speaker 3: your worries about this bill and how concerning it is,
56:48
Speaker 3: because in my view, they're they're using the UK as
56:50
Speaker 3: an example because if they can actually crack the UK
56:54
Speaker 3: with this in legislation and really crack you know, the UK,
56:58
Speaker 3: they can implement is throughout Europe and everywhere else. So
57:02
Speaker 3: I just think we're being targeted at the moment on
57:04
Speaker 3: our poor farmers have to understand that this and that
57:08
Speaker 3: if we don't stop this then it is the end
57:12
Speaker 3: of British farming as we know it and in a
57:15
Speaker 3: way the end of Britain as we know it. So
57:18
Speaker 3: it's really imperative that we make some sort of stand
57:22
Speaker 3: to oppose this bill. Is inhuman and it's awful that
57:27
Speaker 3: farmers should actually be under such stress and in such
57:31
Speaker 3: danger taking their own lives. I mean, how awful is
57:34
Speaker 3: that that our main food producers are in this state.
57:38
Speaker 3: And you know, I would urge anyone to look at
57:42
Speaker 3: zero hour, look at the MPs that are forcing this
57:45
Speaker 3: bill through and write to your MP and if you
57:48
Speaker 3: want to template, I have one.
57:50
Speaker 2: Thank you, Sandy Roger, thank you so much.
57:53
Speaker 1: And to the public out there, you really do need
57:57
Speaker 1: to support the farmers. To all of you farmers out there,
58:02
Speaker 1: we do need you, we do want your food, we
58:06
Speaker 1: want your beautiful food. We will support you. We will
58:11
Speaker 1: get through this.
58:12
Speaker 2: We will.
58:14
Speaker 1: This has been the most fascinating, fascinating series of interviews
58:20
Speaker 1: I think that I've ever done. I think it has
58:22
Speaker 1: so much information, valuable information for everybody, but in particular
58:26
Speaker 1: for you farmers. We do love you. We love your food,
58:31
Speaker 1: We love what you do for us. You are feeding
58:34
Speaker 1: our families and for families future generations. That's what we want.
58:39
Speaker 1: We want to secure your beautiful food for our children,
58:43
Speaker 1: for our.
58:43
Speaker 2: Grandchildren and for their children.
58:46
Speaker 1: And I don't think there's any better time now than
58:48
Speaker 1: other than to thank you both so much for all
58:51
Speaker 1: your hours and hours and hours of research. But first
58:54
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw to you Sandy for your last word,
58:58
Speaker 1: and then Roger, grateful thanks to both of you for
59:01
Speaker 1: your last word too, So Sandy over to you for
59:05
Speaker 1: the last word.
59:06
Speaker 2: Thanks so much.
59:07
Speaker 3: W for the opportunity of being able to do this
59:09
Speaker 3: and get the message out to farmers, and I would
59:12
Speaker 3: really urge them to look at all the information that
59:15
Speaker 3: we've put forward. And I know it's hard, but please
59:19
Speaker 3: look at all this information. It's beyond conspiracy. It is
59:22
Speaker 3: not conspiracy. It's now a pressing issue if we don't
59:29
Speaker 3: keep our British farming the way it is and not
59:33
Speaker 3: engage with all this AI as you know, as Rogers said,
59:36
Speaker 3: it's going to you know, it does. None of it
59:39
Speaker 3: makes sense. None of it makes sense, and I'm sure
59:41
Speaker 3: farmers would agree with that, the whole net zero thing,
59:44
Speaker 3: and not even net zero. They want absolute zero. Absolute
59:48
Speaker 3: zero means nothing biological will live. There's no sense in that,
59:53
Speaker 3: and that includes us. So please listen to what this
59:58
Speaker 3: series has to say and don't pass it off as conspiracy.
1:00:02
Speaker 3: It is happening.
1:00:04
Speaker 2: Thank you.
1:00:05
Speaker 4: Yeah, just to back up on that, thanks Sandy. Just
1:00:07
Speaker 4: to say, you know, we went to great lengths to
1:00:09
Speaker 4: make sure that we only put documents, supported evidence into
1:00:13
Speaker 4: this series so that you know, not not our documents,
1:00:17
Speaker 4: but their documents. So everything we have told you is
1:00:20
Speaker 4: actually their words, not ours. What we're doing is present
1:00:23
Speaker 4: them to you. But you know, on a positive note,
1:00:26
Speaker 4: I think you know those people who are who are consumers,
1:00:30
Speaker 4: who are out there watching this. You know, I would
1:00:31
Speaker 4: encourage you to reach out to your local farmers and
1:00:35
Speaker 4: find where you can source food locally and to farmers
1:00:38
Speaker 4: who are watching this, you know, I would. I would
1:00:41
Speaker 4: urge you also aid to keep going and be to
1:00:43
Speaker 4: reach out to local organizers who perhaps got groups of
1:00:49
Speaker 4: people who are interested in buying food directs. So you know,
1:00:53
Speaker 4: the positive is there. We will get through this, we
1:00:55
Speaker 4: will survive. And yeah, I quickly hand you back to
1:00:59
Speaker 4: say for the very final word.
1:01:02
Speaker 3: This is just a cautionary tale. Actually, I know there's
1:01:07
Speaker 3: a lot of you know groups who are urging the
1:01:10
Speaker 3: farmers to blockade supermarkets. Now, in my view, this is
1:01:14
Speaker 3: not a good idea. I all means encourage people not
1:01:18
Speaker 3: to shop at supermarkets, but you can't stop them. And
1:01:22
Speaker 3: that's what I fear is happening.
1:01:25
Speaker 2: Now.
1:01:25
Speaker 3: This playbook was used in the Bolshevik Revolution very quickly.
1:01:30
Speaker 3: It was that the farmers were being taxed and the state.
1:01:35
Speaker 3: They ended up rising up and protesting, and the state
1:01:39
Speaker 3: seized their land because they said they were preventing food supply.
1:01:44
Speaker 3: Now we need to look at history once again and
1:01:47
Speaker 3: not let that happen again because we don't want any
1:01:50
Speaker 3: excuse for the farmers to be against the people. The
1:01:53
Speaker 3: people have to make their own mind up and we
1:01:56
Speaker 3: can't tell people what to do. We can only encourage them. Otherwise,
1:02:00
Speaker 3: the farmers could be seen to be preventing the food supply.
1:02:04
Speaker 3: We don't want that to happen. Just one thing