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Chatting with Nima after Inter-Juve Derby D'Italia - Ep. 212 · The Calcio Guys

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  I guess it's time to start stitching on that second star for Inter fans.
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  Big Derby Vitalia win. Maybe I jink, so hopefully it dinks it.
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  Big Derby Italia win yesterday for Inter one nothing against you. A perfect guest
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  to have on today. Nima from the Football podcast sip it into dot com
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  all the way from Sweden. Thank you so much for doing this. We
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  know it's late there. It's it's early here, but it's late there,
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  Nima. How's it going. I'm good and pleasure to be with you,
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  guys. Good to be with you guys. Same here, long overdoing,
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  long overdue. Thanks guys, appreciate it. Yeah. And you know,
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  for for people who who you know, we know you have a big following
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  on Twitter, but for people who don't know your history with Inter as a
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  fan, as a journalist, tell us, tell us about that how you
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  got into how you became an juro. Well it actually I'm born in nineteen
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  eighty one, so this was before the age of the Internet was broadly available.
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  I know it sounds like crazy for people that was such a thing actually
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  happened, But there was a time when there was no Internet available. You
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  had like you know, so I I was. I remember vividly. It
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  was eighty eight, eighty nine season in the record and the very first game
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  I saw on Swedish TV or not. It wasn't Swedish TV, actually it
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  was. It was my aunt's house and her husband who's German. He he
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  had a satellite this because he wanted to watch German TV and of course the
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  two Germans Lot matrem I played for Inter Maradona was Anapoli. So this was
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  the championship decider. The very first game I watched on TV, which Inter
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  one and secured the scureto and you know that was the Inter the record Trapatoni
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  Inter record and to beat you know, the reigning champions of of Maradona and
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  to take it out of their hands, beat the champ to become champions was
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  was was. I was mesmerized as an eight year old, you know.
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  It was like the son Sero was just this like mystical, magical place,
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  you know. And and these characters, I mean, THENGA fairly brehim as
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  I said, Matteos, you know, Trapatonio on the sidelines looking angry and
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  screaming like he always did, and like the fans and it's like all these
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  guys Mandolini, you know, n Colbert, these guys were like they were
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  superheroes to a kid, you know, and and so I was, I
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  was. I fell in love. Then with the interire Italian football, that's
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  when it really began. And it was really hard to find information. Back
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  then. We had teletext, you know, so you had to like you
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  can really watch the games, and it's difficult, And so I was glued
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  to teletext on the weekends to the point where I think, I don't know
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  how many remote controls I ruined when I was a kid because I overused the
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  teletext button. My mom wanted to kill me so so so it was actually
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  at one point she got so fed up of buying new remote controls she stopp
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  buying them. She was like, I'm done with this. I'm not spending
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  money on the scrap anymore. So, so that that's how it kind of
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  started. And then of course Italian ninety, I mean, I remember my
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  first World Cup was nineteen eighty six, but Italian Avanta was was the first
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  World Cup. I mean those the sea of the Tricolore at the study Olympico,
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  see you know, Salo tore Scilacci Badjogianini, you know, that back
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  line Ferrara, Maldini, Barrezi Bergomi, and of course zing Gang Gol again
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  and just watching that and of course that that song to kind of cap it
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  all off, which was just like this anthem and and and so that was
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  like that was my introduction to Italian football. And it was a love story
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  from from minute one. And and I remember, I remember I used to
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  I used to save my like allowance, weekly allowance to to buy day old
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  Gazada de la Sports because they used to come up the day later to the
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  news stand, and I used to buy them and pretend that I could read
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  Italian and like sit there in my room and I look at the pictures and
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  you know, like just just just to go through them and and and hope
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  and dream that one day I would be able to just you know, go
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  to Italy and watch a game there. You know, It's just it was
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  it was mythical. It really was like a mythological experience growing up seeing that,
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  you know. With with that and and and of course the older you
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  got and technology became easier to see and and you know, of course the
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  nineties, you know, Italian football was the best there there. There's never
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  been a league that dominant ever, and I don't think we'll we'll ever see
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  a league become that dominant because of how globalized football was or or has become.
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  Rather I should say so, yeah, I'm and so you know,
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  of course Moratierra and all of that, and I you know, I've always
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  been interested and followed, and I decided when I started high school when I
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  was sixteen. That's when you start high school right in Canada, was it
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  fifteen or sixteen a younger like thirteen. Oh that's junior high. That's junior
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  that's junior high in Sweden. Yeah, yeah, we get like junior high
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  and then you got high school. Well, Quebec is kind of like a
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  different type of way compared to rest of special Like high school is like great,
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  like like it's like eleven twelve until like since seventeen, okay, but
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  rest of Canada would be like fourteen fifteen till like eighteen years old. Yeah.
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  Yeah, So like we junior high was like twelve to fourteen fifteen,
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  and then high school would be like fifteen, sixteen to eighteen, right,
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  So this was this was in high school then and for the first time because
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  we could only like in Sweden back then, the only languages you could you
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  could choose were like after English. Of course, because I attended a British
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  school, the only languages you could choose was was either German, French and
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  Spanish or Spanish. And I wasn't really too keen on either of those languages.
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  I learned Italian and I decided that, you know, so when I
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  got to high school it was I could I could choose to study Italian.
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  I was like so psyched, psyched to do this finally, and I remember,
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  so I did that for three years. And after I graduated, I
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  was like, I didn't want to immediately go to university and I didn't know
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  what I wanted to do. I was a little bit tired of school.
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  So I decided to So I applied to to go to Florence to a private
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  university called League wo Viva and studied four months there. And you know,
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  I've already been to Florence because I have family there. My mom on my
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  mom's side had been the so so I already like was acquainted with the city
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  and and it was it just was amazing. And my first city game live
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  that I saw was on December thirteenth year, two thousand and Fiorentina in there
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  that the Fiorentina with Enrico Queza, rue Costa and of course Inta had Recoba
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  Vieri or you know, Ronaldo was injured then and and and and Vieri scored
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  the most beautiful goal that I've ever seen live, but unfortunately was just allowed
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  for offside. And I still to this day say that it was not offside
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  because I was that's all I'm going to do, guys, exactly, So
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  no, it was. And it's this beautiful diagonal volley and di diagonal volley
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  like cross from Recoba and Vieri just with his left foot of direct and you
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  could literally see the angle of the ball go past told right into the top
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  corner. But yeah, that's a game that Fiantina want to know. I
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  think Kieza scored the first one, I scored the second. Artemio Frankie was
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  just in the evening game. Was just unbelievable. So yeah, that was
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  my first city game. I was like eighteen or nineteen, and and then
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  of course you know that passion still continued, and then I went to university
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  in the UK to study law, and you know, my senior year at
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  university was in two thousand and eight. And if you know what that means,
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  that means that when the entire economy decided to commit suicide, and they
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  were like, and I was already kind of happy I did law, but
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  I was kind of already finished with it. I didn't want to work with
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  British law at all, and I was kind of tired of law already.
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  So what happened was that basically a friend of mine, Carlo, who's no
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  longer with us in Sweden I grew up with. He'd kind of already decided
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  because he was from he was a Katania fan, he was from Katanya's family,
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  and he started up like there's this fan community in Sweden which everyone you
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  know, you can people write about their teams, and of course him being
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  from Katania, you know, Katanya had just been promoted to the city.
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  Yeah, we'd written, so we created that site for that, you know
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  that. I hit that page for his site together in my room for him,
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  and blah blah blah, and he was like he was, he was
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  he decided for me. He was like that. He was like, no,
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  you have to write about Italian football, you have to write about inca
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  because there's there's no one on this platform that knows it better than you,
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  so you have to do it. And I was like, yeah, but
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  I don't have time. So what he did instead was just he wrote an
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  application for me and sent it in and then told me, yeah, I
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  did it, now, don't mess up, don't make me look stupid,
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  no fun. And I was like, no, no, no, I
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  won't do that. And that's how it was. I started, and it
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  was like that, and then I quickly, like by the time I graduated,
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  I was I was. So I was kind of like I didn't want
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  to I didn't know what I wanted to do. I knew I was I
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  was going to graduate, but I didn't want to work with law, and
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  I was kind of like, what the hell do I do now? And
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  so I basically looked around and I was like, hang on, in the
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  Internet is kind of big. There's no English news site for Inta. There's
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  hundreds of millions of English speaking TERISTI, you know, so why not do
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  something there? And and so I kind of started it, you know,
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  as in a different kind of preparatory project, and then it became simpri Inta
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  in twenty twelve, February twenty twelve. We first started writing in Swedish and
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  we quickly hit the ceiling and decided that, okay, now that we know
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  what we're doing, we want to take this to the road and and do
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  it in English. And and so that's what we did. And it was
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  pretty cool because we you know, we got to you know, we got
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  in contact with the club and we got to know them, and we were
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  accredited to beat the games, and you know, we got to do this
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  really fun stuff. And at the same time I also founded and ran the
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  Swedish Internet Swedish inter Fan Club, and so there was a you know,
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  the entire banter era. I spent on location. I saw that ship firsthand,
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  so I'm scarred, you know. So it was you know, it
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  was horrible. I was at that goddamn game in the Europa League when Starmachoni
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  against Nefchi, where there was like six hundred people at the Sancio in December.
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  It's minus five degrees. You can hear the players talking on the pitch
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  and we it is cold, like you wouldn't believe how goddamn cold it is,
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  and and and and yeah, it was fun and you know, a
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  lot of stuff like that, and then you know, built that platform up.
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  And soon quickly after that, I started working for Geno Gai Marci on
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  his English page that was run by David Almayal. He wanted, you know,
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  he asked me if I wanted to come on. I came on.
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  I did, and then I kind of you know how I got to know
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  Carlo was. I started doing exclusives for gold transfers and interviews. I interviewed
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  for like former US men's national team players and and others, you know,
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  for them, and and did a bunch of stuff like that, and then
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  you kind of just you know, just continue doing that, and and then
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  I and then a few years ago we were we wanted to do the football
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  podcast the way we wanted to do it, kind of thing myself and Carlo
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  and and John Solano, and he obviously left afterwards because he had you know,
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  he wanted to do something, he had enough time to do it,
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  and so yeah, that's how the Italian Football podcast came came to came to
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  fruition, and our vision and goal with that was to has always been and
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  will always be that, you know, we want to be educational, informative,
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  but also relaxed and honest and entertaining if we can. You know,
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  we're not going to bullship people, because everybody knows the problems that Italian football
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  has. So for us to stand there and do North Korean state TV and
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  say everything is great would be disingenuous, you know, because no one would
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  buy it, and it would also be anybody. You're not fooling anyone,
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  and you're just embarrassing yourself, really so. But at the same time,
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  there needs to be some kind of honesty, and you know, an intellectual
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  honesty about It's like what's good is good, Let's keep that, but what's
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  crap, Let's change that and have an intellectually honest debate about those things,
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  and and and to have fun. And we've been able to do some really
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  cool things. I mean the interviews, we've been able to do the part.
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  You know, we have a Monday pod where we review the weekend.
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  We we have a Thursday part where we review the midweek action and preview the
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  weekend. And then we have a Q and a podcast where all the listeners
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  send in their questions, which is my favorite because that's when you like interact
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  with people and they you know, the listeners decide what you talk about.
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  We don't know what we're going to talk about because they decided to send in
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  their questions. And then of course we do the interview podcast as well,
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  which is we we love doing that because that kind of allows us to bring
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  Italian football to the listeners, you know, whether it's former presidents, whether
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  it's players, current you know, all that stuff. You know. We
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  recently our latest guest was the see the CEO say on in the United States
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  for Ceity CEO of us A who you know, and we we you know,
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  uh he he thanked us afterwards for asking tough questions, but you know,
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  we had to because the stuff that we see with the marketing is not
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  good and so it would have you know, that's what I mean about the
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  honesty. It would be incredibly disingenuous for us to have him on and not
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  asking critical questions about things that aren't working. But at the same time,
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  you also, you know what the interview isn't a debate. You know,
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  we're we're asking tough questions, but this is his platform to put out what
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  he you know, what he wants, what he thinks. But we're asking
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  questions and again that's important. So, so no, that's what we do.
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  Man, it's it's it's it's fun. It's incredibly fun. You get
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  to meet people from all over the world. You get to make friends from
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  every corner of the world, which is really really cool. And when you
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  you know, you meet up with people you've just spoken on the internet with
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  and you have a drink together or whatever. It's so it's it's a it's
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  a really cool experience. I have to agree. I think like one of
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  the reasons why we love doing these type of things is just getting a chance
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  to interact with so many fans of difference that he had teams throughout like all
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  over all over the world and stuff. And I myself have participated in some
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  of them that you know, they are in different times on and stuff.
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  So I'm recording something at like one am or like you know, and so
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  I understand it's we do it because we love it, right, we have
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  a big passion for it. Yeah, But has there ever been like one
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  interview of yours that's like or like interaction or whatnot and like always stood out
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  to you the most, or it was like one of your personal favorites or
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  has like I know, there's probably hundreds upon hundreds of moments and stuff that
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  it's kind of hard to pick on on the spot, but if there's one
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  that kind of comes to your mind, like, yeah, I think Jay
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  Bothroyd interview that we did the form of Peroja guy because he was in Peruja.
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  He still plays. I think he still plays. He's like forty one
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  years old, plays in Softmore or Japan. But we taught he was when
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  he spoke about how the son of Kadafi and being teammates with him, and
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  when he made his debut and he wanted to buy everyone in the team of
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  Mercedes Benz and and Jay was like, no, no, bro, you
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  don't need to do that, no need to do that. And just talking
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  with him and everything, you know, and his his you know, he
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  was saying, they still owe me money. And I called the madness.
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  And of course Gauci, the you know, the crazy president of Perugia at
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  the time, who was you know, when we inter re Marko Neglari as
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  well, you know, he would say that you know this guy, he
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  was a hurricane, right, you know, they called him Muraghu, the
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  hurricane, and he was just like all of those kinds of things to that
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  probably stands out. And also when when sween Gore and ericson, you know,
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  when he kind of you know now that I have the great club privilege
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  an opportunity to interview in a couple of times. And and now of course
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  he's he's terminally ill, which is a bit you know, weird and strange,
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  but he he is. It's very sadden. But but to have like
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  to to listen to him, like when the way he like when he just
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  the one very funny thing about him is that he can just drop breaking news
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  without realizing that what he said will create headlines. But he will do it
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  in the most matter of fact, by the way, oh by the way
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  kind of thing. And what he told us which made headlines, really big
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  headlines was yes, some I don't know, someone told me that he doesn't
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  think that Kolowsky can understand the game very well anyway, And I was like
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  sorry what like sorry what? Who? Who? Like do you know what
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  I mean? Like? Yeah, you wanna do you wanna make I think
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  we should stick on that. I want to linger on this for a minute,
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  like you know what I mean, like or or or or with like
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  Roy Hodgson when he was so funny because when we interviewed him, I never
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  forgot he got so annoyed because every time we have an interview, we always
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  end with this like rapid fire game, right where we give people like two
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  different options and and and ask them to give us their thoughts. And and
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  Roy is you know, he's an old man. You know, he had
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  him on for an hour and he did not want to play that game,
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  and and he was like he started quoting Oscar Wilde as as as as as
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  saying that comparisons are odious and stuff like that, and it was just so
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  cringey. And it was like because the interview otherwise was really great, and
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  he's a lovely man of like interviewed him a couple of times and he's but
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  but it's just like those kinds of things like you got to be on your
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  toes and and I remember Carlo, my my my co host, Carlo,
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  and he was so he was cringing so bad, and he was like red
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  in the face, and he was like, just we need to end this
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  interview now, Like so yeah, no, it's it's been really really fun.
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  That's awesome. I mean, I know you guys been you guys been
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  doing obviously you said assistant work, I think with the Showman, and I've
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  and I've seen I can't say i've seen it at all, but I've seen
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  a lot of it. And I know you guys are very active and and
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  and very out there, and I mean, uh, you know, some
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  of the interviews that you know you've said, and then I've seen online as
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  it has been has been incredible, especially even maybe even for this newer generation,
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  because I think you're touching a lot of different generations of cultural fans,
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  right, So you guys you go back for for people that have maybe in
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  a different generation than than us, but then you're also touching you know,
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  that's the you know, if I'm not mistaken, right, you know that
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  touches kind of our generation of of of player or the younger generation of players
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  of fans. Sorry. So that's what's exactly what I want to do.
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  We want to touch those. We want to do history. We want to
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  provide historical context and talk about people how it was. But we also don't
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  want to sit and dwell on the past either, right, your life,
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  and so we want you know, and and and we want to like have
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  the historical look backs and what was good then, and then also have the
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  great talents, of which Italy and Setia has many, and we want to
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  we want to highlight them too, and we want them we want younger Italian
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  players to come on. I mean, at the time when we had Distinugeon,
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  he was the only teenager who was playing regularly in the city. That's
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  not good enough, guys, you know, like why are we like how
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  is that possible? Like why is it that in every other country they can
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  play teenagers but in Italy they can't, like stuff like that. And then
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  we had youth team coaches on and we wanted to contextualize and talk about that.
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  But why is it like that? And what do they do in England
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  and what do they do in Italy and stuff like that. You know,
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  yeah, no, no, and that's what I you know, we commend
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  you for that because you know, you tycheck I said different uh you know,
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  not only different fans, but you know, different age groups and different
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  years, like I mean, you know, the you know, the forty
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  five year old man compared to you know, the twenty two year old kid.
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  I mean, it's it's exact years. So you know, uh,
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  you know, we appreciate that you know you gout. You do that for
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  you know, the English community of cultural fans, and yeah, I'm gonna
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  keep up, keep up the great work. But uh yeah, I think
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  you know, probably move on. It's maybe more of you know, currneted
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  and sure and maybe even just current sei because I question, I saw a
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  question that you have just recently posted your episode from a mistaken and I had
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  seen some of the comments and there was kind of an interesting, uh a
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  question that was directed towards you. But I feel like it can maybe if
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  if that's okay with you, maybe got on to our show tonight because I
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  know you'll probably answer it on your end eventually. But I think it was
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  from inter Milan fan on Twitter. I'm mistaken. I'm not mistaken. I
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  don't have the question in front of me, but it was something along the
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  lines of of kind of what you touched upon before in terms of you know,
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  the Setia back then compared to the Citia now. Obviously there's a big
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  difference. You know, you know, the nineties of ceti As is looked
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  upon as you know, one of the top leagues that will probably ever whoever
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  have. But I think the question said, you know, with Asuman potentially
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  leaving maybe Layout, possibly leaving LATARO. He doesn't think we'll renew eventually when
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  that comes to comes to be, you know, the state of how we
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  see that in the current years. Will we ever see something uh that we
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  saw on the in in the past. And I think we all can probably
• 22:19
  agree no, but you just want to hear your thoughts on on on on
• 22:23
  that question and and if you want to extend yeah, I mean, look,
• 22:27
  it's I don't want to bullshit anymore, and I'm sorry for swearing.
• 22:33
  But no, I see, I see either, So we're on the same
• 22:34
  Go ahead, go ahead, I don't want to bull Come on, you
• 22:41
  haven't heard a couple of curse words by now, guys, exactly exactly,
• 22:45
  you haven't lived exactly grow up. No, but look, no, look
• 22:48
  it's not just that SETI I look at like I said before, I don't
• 22:52
  think any league will dominate like that the city added back then, because football
• 22:57
  is so globalized and there's so many more active players and you now have world
• 23:03
  class players from everywhere from Canada to you know, every every country in Africa
• 23:08
  to all parts of Asia. I mean, the Premier League top goal scorer
• 23:11
  being South Korean's unthinkable twenty thirty years ago, right, So it's impossible for
• 23:17
  the Premier League to take all players. They'll take the best ones, yes,
• 23:22
  but in order to do what they did in Italy back in the eighties
• 23:23
  and nineties, they had all the best players, literally, all the top
• 23:27
  players in the world played in Italy at some point between eighty between you know,
• 23:33
  ate the mid to late eighties and early two thousand, every single one.
• 23:37
  That kind of dominance is not possible anymore. Football is too globalized,
• 23:41
  so I don't think we'll ever see that again. But if we're talking about
• 23:45
  it is city being able to become compete with the Premier League in terms of
• 23:53
  the product and also raising its revenue and by revenue, trying to bring in
• 23:57
  talent, the world class players. Sorry, guys, but we're we don't
• 24:00
  have that money. We don't have that we're you know, we're not We're
• 24:04
  yeah, we're not the Apex predator and that food chain. The Premier League
• 24:08
  is set. Yeah, I just isn't. You know, it just isn't,
• 24:12
  and and it could be, but it's not my personal belief, and
• 24:18
  it is that with the current people in charge, is never going to change.
• 24:25
  I think you need a completely overhaul, You need a new you need
• 24:27
  a completely new bunch of people coming in with fresh eyes and fresh ideas and
• 24:36
  trying to market this league in a twenty first century manner as opposed to the
• 24:41
  Let's be honest, if I'm generous, the twentieth twentieth century like way,
• 24:45
  like early twentieth century ways of doing it. I mean, just just just
• 24:49
  the stuff of this ridiculous notion that Milan and Inta cannot get their goddamn stadium
• 24:56
  built. I mean, I know that's not the league as such, it's
• 25:00
  local politics. But for the love of God, like I have heard so
• 25:06
  much about these two, this this new Norvo Stadium Milano that I'm already sick
• 25:10
  of it. I don't want to hear it anymore. I'm exhausted. It's
• 25:12
  been ten fifteen years I've heard of this goddamn new stadium at least. Yeah,
• 25:18
  and nothing has happened. I mean, and the mean it's me,
• 25:23
  it's mean, it's gone me it never. But the last thing they did
• 25:26
  was just the most Italian local politics thing of all. So they they they
• 25:33
  they managed to make the second tier. Okay, not the stadium as a
• 25:37
  whole, but the second tier. Because of legislation, it became it was
• 25:42
  it was there was a legal availability to turn just the second tier of San
• 25:47
  Seedo into a into a building that has special cultural significance, which means it
• 25:52
  has to be preserved, not the entire stadium, just the second tier.
• 25:56
  When they did that, that means you, what are you going to unless
• 26:00
  you're like, you know, you're Harry Pottering, you can levitate the second
• 26:03
  tier, how you're going to tear it down? So that's how they stopped
• 26:07
  it. And that kind of dysfunction and political dysfunction is just wow, you
• 26:12
  know, And it's weird because it's a building that's going to be there for
• 26:18
  at least fifty eighty years, right, So it's not like it's not like
• 26:25
  someone's going to take, you know, take it with them when they go,
• 26:26
  when the owner changes, is going to be there. But you have
• 26:30
  these people there who look at it literally look you square in the eyes and
• 26:34
  say, this is like tearing down the Colisseum, and I have to respectfully
• 26:37
  disagree because it's a football stadium and its purpose is to be a football stadium.
• 26:45
  The foundations of the sunset are one hundred years old. Now I'm going
• 26:51
  to go out on a limb here without having a degree in engineering and say
• 26:53
  that a lot of things have changed in engineering over the last century. You
• 26:57
  know, so maybe maybe maybe. And also like this notion that no,
• 27:04
  but you know, we want to preserve our history. Well, Wembley's a
• 27:08
  historic site. They tore that down because it was too old and wasn't working,
• 27:12
  and they made that new. So because it's a football stadium and it
• 27:17
  needs to be fit for purpose, Sansino isn't fit for purpose in the modern
• 27:21
  age anymore. Yeah, I mean just the idea. I mean a lot
• 27:23
  of people ask me why is it. You know on the third tier there's
• 27:26
  like empty there's no seat empty sections. Yeah. Yeah, it's because they
• 27:33
  because they monitor the vibrations in the building, right, and so they what
• 27:37
  they're scared of is that people are going to feel the vibrations and go cause
• 27:41
  us stampede and people are going to get like trampled over. So what they've
• 27:44
  done is they've they've they're there. They have those empty stadiums, they have
• 27:48
  those anti empty sections in the third tier, so that if something were to
• 27:52
  happen, people don't stampede, but they can run into that section, not
• 27:56
  that it falls down, but you know, because when people panic, they
• 27:59
  just like pack mentality. I mean, we're competing with the Premier League with
• 28:03
  this, I mean what you want to say. It just falls on its
• 28:08
  own ridiculousness, you know, and its own unreasonableness, and it's just stuff
• 28:12
  like that, and you know, it's it's you know, as Swan gorn
• 28:17
  Erickson always says, it's Italy, Italy, you will never change Italy,
• 28:19
  and it's like, well, yeah, you know. You know, his
• 28:22
  first season when he was at Rama, he wasn't allowed to coach his team
• 28:26
  on the pitch because of the Italian laws of the game at the time didn't
• 28:30
  allow foreign coaches to be on the by the pitch when they played. So
• 28:34
  he was coaching Rama the first season from the stands like so Italian. Yeah,
• 28:47
  it's it's we But they took it away of course the second year.
• 28:49
  But I mean just the fact that they that that was a thing. Yeah,
• 28:53
  it's just crazy, but it's funny. I mean, it's Italian football.
• 28:57
  But I mean, look, I'm one of those who thinks that Italian
• 29:02
  football shouldn't lose its soul, it should keep what it's beautiful and makes it
• 29:06
  unique. But high speed internet connection won't exactly destroy the country, like you
• 29:11
  know what I mean. It's like it's like people pick these ridiculous pigeon holes
• 29:17
  that that they like dig themselves into. And it's like, I don't see
• 29:18
  the conflict between five G and preserving the coliseum, Like do you know what
• 29:23
  I mean? Like I don't you're assuming the country can support high speed internet.
• 29:27
  I don't know. Man, Last year it was a bit of an
• 29:30
  eye opener for me for how some viligious functions. Yeah you know what I
• 29:36
  mean though, like yeah, no, no, stuff like that. And
• 29:37
  it pisses me off because I know a lot of young people in Italy just
• 29:41
  you know, younger than you guys. You know, I'm forty two,
• 29:44
  but I'm middle aged. But I mean I'm talking like young. They're fed
• 29:47
  up with this shit. They want to live in the country. Of course
• 29:49
  they in the country. My coaches are are getting jobs elsewhere. There's nothing,
• 29:55
  there's no future in Italy there. I have friends here. I have
• 29:57
  a lot of friends here that movie. They're my age, and they're mid
• 30:00
  to early thirties and late twenties that moved from Italy to here. Because their
• 30:06
  careers are better off over here and stuffy. It's crazy. I mean,
• 30:08
  that's a brain drain, and I think it's a shame because look, as
• 30:11
  I always tell everybody, like behind the scenes, people I talk to officials,
• 30:17
  you don't understand how lucky you are. Everybody in the world loves Italy.
• 30:22
  It leads one of those few countries that everybody in the world loves.
• 30:26
  They love the food, they love the music, they love the culture,
• 30:30
  love the art, they love the history. Everybody loves it. And Italian
• 30:33
  football is something everybody wants to like, yet you do your utmost to not
• 30:37
  make them want to like it. Like, look, let me put it
• 30:41
  to you this way. Italian fashion, Formula one, Italian music, Italian
• 30:45
  food, all of these are top in terms of export except for Italian football.
• 30:51
  So maybe the problem is with Italian football, you know what I mean.
• 30:56
  And of course Italian football it's within them because Italian football, of course,
• 31:00
  is a direct reflection of Italian society. You know, you can do
• 31:03
  the math yourselves, like that's what I tell people. So yeah, no,
• 31:07
  it's it's but I mean, I think it's going to get It has
• 31:11
  to get better, guys, I mean it can't continue like this. It's
• 31:12
  you know, it's just not possible. You know, you can't. It's
• 31:18
  some We're all going to die, and so are these people who are wanting
• 31:21
  to cling on to everything as it was when they grew up in the forties
• 31:23
  and the fifties and sixties and seventies. Like they're going to die too.
• 31:26
  We're all going to die, So change is inevitable, right, Nima,
• 31:33
  Have you ever written a book? No, I think you should. I
• 31:37
  think you should, or a philosophy book. We're all going to change football.
• 31:47
  That's the title of a bestseller right there. So we get by like
• 31:52
  this is probably a good therapy about mental health. Always. No, but
• 31:59
  it's it's I'm fascinating because I mean, I'm in love with Italian football too.
• 32:02
  I think it's so beautiful, like the things that I fell in love
• 32:06
  with, you know, the poetry of the journalism, I mean, the
• 32:09
  you know, I was doing what we did yesterday, we did, you
• 32:12
  know, when I was doing research for Kurtambridd and the Swedish winger who died
• 32:15
  just passed away with the weekend Fiorentina's all time goalscorer, and I was doing
• 32:20
  research for our podcast, and I came across these you know why he was
• 32:24
  called Lucellino, the nickname who came up with it? And what game and
• 32:29
  the poetry of that line that's stuck in the newspaper in La Nazione, and
• 32:34
  that's why he became Ucellino. With all of Florence and all of Italy and
• 32:37
  you know, it's it's just it's there there is it's so beautiful, you
• 32:42
  know, it's it's nowhere else compares. And and you know, I mean
• 32:47
  now now that I'm forty two, I mean, yes, of course,
• 32:51
  I mean in Terrista, was being in Tarista, But I mean the stories
• 32:54
  that I love and watch. I mean, I I love Citia b I
• 32:59
  love watching like I love Letch is probably my favorite team in the city right
• 33:04
  now, Salitana, and you know they're they're there kind of story and and
• 33:07
  and their t and you know what they have to do, and like I
• 33:13
  just that kind of stuff. The stories behind it is what what what I'm
• 33:15
  interested in, and that's what like catch captures, you know, my eye
• 33:20
  and my heart right now the most is those stories. And one story we
• 33:25
  do want to talk about is the game yesterday bringing back to modern City,
• 33:30
  which you know what, I thought was a pretty good game, uh,
• 33:35
  talent wise, a game that we haven't seen in terms of tactics, strength
• 33:39
  to both squads in a long time. Ultimately, it was the better team
• 33:44
  that came out on top one nothing. It was an own goal and that's
• 33:47
  how that's what title was. One mistake by Juve and and it's done.
• 33:51
  It's intro with the with the win. Kind of reminds me of the cop
• 33:54
  Italia a couple of years ago. Just one mistake and it's done. But
• 34:00
  we want to get your thoughts on this game. And now I think it's
• 34:02
  what plus four for inter over you've with the game in hands, so you
• 34:06
  go up to plus seven if they win that game in hand. I think
• 34:07
  it's against Fiorentina. No, it's a look. I think you sounded up
• 34:15
  really well the game. I thought that the game it was. It was
• 34:20
  a classic Italian top class top team clash uh in in in the retorna,
• 34:29
  in the in the like the the return half, like that. When it
• 34:35
  started with when we were starting to get to the business end of the season
• 34:39
  where interim Juva it was so beautifully tactical. I loved it. I mean
• 34:45
  I love these games where Ale and Zagi were essentially playing chess throughout the entire
• 34:51
  game, uh, nullifying each other, out matching each other. And that's
• 34:55
  another aspect of Italian football that I absolutely love and and I don't want to
• 35:00
  lose that. Ever, is the cleverness of it, the tactical brilliance of
• 35:07
  it, to think about it and make a move and now is the time
• 35:10
  for to me, for me to move my my two wingers, like up
• 35:15
  up two yards pushing my you know, centralized my midfield. Now is the
• 35:17
  time like stuff like that. It's it's just I love that. And this
• 35:21
  game was, it was was. It was an absolute joy to watch from
• 35:23
  that aspect. It was. It was a lot of intensity. The Sanzero
• 35:28
  when it's packed in the evenings, I mean, la lucha these San seero
• 35:31
  is. You know, the's written songs about it, and it's uh no,
• 35:37
  it was. It was fantastic. It was so nice. I think
• 35:39
  it was one of those games that the neutral would would have loved it.
• 35:43
  And and I think I think your analysis was brought on. I think were
• 35:47
  better and they won and and you have it. But I got to say,
• 35:51
  I think we're returning to the to the cety of our to my childhood
• 35:55
  at least where Sorry Napoli fans, sorry Roma fans, but it's the three
• 36:00
  strike from the North that are going to dominate this league for the next They're
• 36:05
  they're all back, Uva is back, Milan is back into his back,
• 36:07
  They're they're they're all going to be the top for the next couple of years.
• 36:12
  I think I think it's going to be a very tough ask for anyone
• 36:15
  else to try to break into that top three, to be honest, not
• 36:17
  without you know, I'm not saying that Napoli won't be good or Fiorentino Roma
• 36:22
  won't be good, but the top three positions, it's the Squiretto race is
• 36:25
  going to be inter v Juva Bi Roma, sorry vv Milan for the next
• 36:30
  three like like it's always been. Because you The Uva that I saw yesterday
• 36:35
  was a Juva that is on the on the per courso that A likes to
• 36:39
  talk about and is doing really well. They they have matured so much this
• 36:45
  year. They have an identity. I was so impressed by how they defended,
• 36:52
  how organized they were and also how they attacked, knowing when to attack,
• 36:58
  how to attack in the exact moment and which movements to make and and
• 37:02
  of course you've are around or young side. I think for me, you'va
• 37:08
  is best represented by Vlawovich right now. Uh, immense talent, but isn't
• 37:14
  there yet. And yesterday I think his performance kind of just summed that up
• 37:19
  a little bit too, heated a little bit. You know, it's good
• 37:22
  to be fired up, but when you're so fired up that you're on that
• 37:24
  you're not concentrated and you make silly mistakes, then you know, in a
• 37:29
  game like that, you don't get many chances. And that's exactly what happened
• 37:31
  to him. You know, if if he had capitalized on Pavad's mistake,
• 37:37
  that's a goal, you know, but he didn't. That's a completely different
• 37:39
  game. But he didn't because he's not there yet. And this is a
• 37:44
  learning curve. You know, it takes time for these players to to to
• 37:47
  to get the experience needed to to kill these kill these quote unquote chances.
• 37:53
  But I think you've are This season has been tremendous for you. I'm really
• 37:58
  impressed with this new you've under Junto, and I think Junto is doing some
• 38:01
  amazing stuff as well. And we'll see how if I likely stays or not.
• 38:07
  But no, if I were a Uba fan, I'd be very very
• 38:10
  optimistic about the future. Okay, this Courdetto is not over, it's not
• 38:15
  mathematically finished from from from from from Inter's perspective or US perspective. But I
• 38:20
  think it's a bit of a tough ask to say that. Okay, you've
• 38:23
  have to win eight more points, seventy eight more points because I kind of
• 38:28
  you know, if you look at this fixture list as well, Inter have
• 38:30
  Latsi or Napoli, uh and Atalanta all at home. Bologna is the only
• 38:37
  difficult away game, and Roma this weekend. So that's what I've always said
• 38:42
  looking at the fixture list. Okay, if Inter win against Roma two there
• 38:46
  plus four with a game in hand, then yeah, I think we moved
• 38:51
  from into our favorites to win this cordetto to into our champions elect of the
• 38:55
  Seriada season. I think the management that Simoni and Zagi has to work is
• 39:00
  to kind of balance this. It moves your move you evolve to another stage
• 39:05
  of of your title charge and and that's also an equally equal, very important
• 39:08
  position and situation to handle, which which in Zagie hasn't in the past for
• 39:14
  various reasons, you know, COVID and all that, but and also two
• 39:19
  years ago with Meland. So it's it changes the dynamics a little bit.
• 39:22
  I think after this weekend we'll see another We'll see it'll change the dynamics of
• 39:25
  the CIA. If inter win against Roma. Yeah, and I think just
• 39:30
  sorry, I don't want to cut you off. Make there. They could
• 39:31
  even be more free in as much as it pains me to say as asta,
• 39:36
  but it could have been more right. It probably should have been more,
• 39:39
  you know, you know Chapo to to Chesney, he stood on his
• 39:44
  head. He gave you know, you've a chance to to I gave them
• 39:49
  a chance to have, you know, to stay. You know, definitely
• 39:52
  Krulos to him. But it probably should have been more. It didn't need
• 39:57
  to be, so I think that still shows the even though it was an
• 40:00
  own goal. You know, Intros were we're always on the attack. We're
• 40:06
  very we're very uh you know when we all know when they go on their
• 40:09
  counter attack, they can put they could put in a ball from anywhere,
• 40:13
  from left or right. It does not matter the BARSTONI if it be you
• 40:17
  know, Tavar Darmia. I mean, it doesn't really matter who you know,
• 40:22
  right, as much as that again that pains me to say whatever,
• 40:27
  So no, listen, we we said it. We said it last week.
• 40:31
  Uh, Mema, you know this, this was this game. You
• 40:36
  know we said it even back when it was the first matchup. You know,
• 40:37
  you know it could be you know, scotal type of game, type
• 40:40
  of matchup. You know, it's like a six point game. So you
• 40:46
  know, intertakes the points they have that game in handed up by four points
• 40:51
  in second place and obviously but more not for for for third, but with
• 40:54
  new one. But there's no surprise, guys. You know, they are
• 40:59
  the best team in Italy and in my opinion, it's it's it's it's to
• 41:05
  potentially lose their first place to lose, right, soy, no, but
• 41:13
  Intern shouldn't shy away from that. Now. I understand that. You know,
• 41:15
  as a coach you have to like manage the expectations. That's part of
• 41:19
  the job, right, I get that. Well, let's not kid ourselves,
• 41:22
  like, let's not you know, let's be not wed. No,
• 41:25
  we're not fooling anyone. If Inter, I mean again, if interviewed at
• 41:29
  Roma on the weekend, plus four game in hand, Latsi Monapoli left at
• 41:32
  home, plus Bologna away I mean or sorry Milan as well of course the
• 41:37
  Darby. Yeah yeah, you can, you can, yeah, of course
• 41:42
  those are all tough games. Those are four really tough games. But the
• 41:44
  rest of them, the INTERN should make a clean sweep of them. And
• 41:46
  especially if you look at it, like what twenty two games, eighteen wins,
• 41:50
  three draws, one loss. I mean, come on, it will
• 41:52
  be a collapse. Yeah, it would be. It would be a collapse,
• 41:55
  and there's no we shouldn't shy away from that. So know, I
• 42:00
  think that's a fair assessment, absolutely, and I think that was basically the
• 42:04
  main driving point of of the coll was like do we expect Inter to even
• 42:07
  drop any of those points? That's the thing, Like, it's it's not
• 42:09
  more about like can you've a catch up with those points? It's more like
• 42:13
  can is intering to have moments where they dropped those points? I think Juventus
• 42:19
  is perfectly despite having the you know, the little lapses here and there,
• 42:22
  their team that are you know, capable of like on paper, can you
• 42:27
  can win a Scudetto? Is just Inter This year has been phenomenally ten goals
• 42:30
  against, like it's yeah, it's it's a fourteen sheets. Yeah, it's
• 42:37
  something that is fantastic to talk about Latzio. Last year, you know we
• 42:42
  were talking about how, you know, great, how many clean sheets they
• 42:44
  had and a great job, and that caused them to finish second, and
• 42:47
  you know, they just didn't have that offensive flare in there. This year
• 42:51
  not only has that defensive lockdown, but Lotao Martinez is just like firing on
• 42:57
  all cylinders. He's just had this. He has this new form and it
• 43:00
  seems like maybe that Champions League run last year kind of sparked a little fire
• 43:04
  underneath them and saying like, guys, we are capable with the roster that
• 43:07
  we have to be world beaters. Let's not get ourselves exactly. I think
• 43:10
  they all talk about that as well, that that final of the Champion League.
• 43:14
  Marta said it, I think last week or this week he said something
• 43:16
  along the lines of, you know what happened after we reached the Champions League
• 43:21
  final and that performance in the final, we were so close and we feel
• 43:23
  we were the better team and should have probably won. That kind of sparked
• 43:28
  a belief in us that actually we can do we can. We're not inferior
• 43:30
  to anybody, and it's one thing to say that, but another thing to
• 43:36
  actually believe it. Sorry, Nick, No, I was just gonna say
• 43:38
  it because I really agree with your comments about the game yesterday about even You've,
• 43:43
  Like I saw on Twitter a lot of you fans getting frustrated. I
• 43:45
  understand, you know, you lose to I was frustrating. It's you know,
• 43:50
  it's a derby. It's almost you know, we're almost out of the
• 43:52
  Scudetto race, as both the Igiano and Johnny said, like inter dropping points,
• 43:58
  it's gonna be It's it's a hard ask like they're it's more a dot.
• 44:01
  I agree with that they're a good team. It's just for You've,
• 44:06
  Like, I don't think people realize just how much last year affected their progress,
• 44:10
  all the financial penalties of missing a Champions League this year. But Ve's
• 44:15
  in a rebuild, simple as that. As you said, Nima, they're
• 44:17
  young and uh, you know, I just got a rand because yesterday on
• 44:22
  Twitter I saw all out. I'll agree this guys. No shame in losing
• 44:27
  to the best team in the league. Again, I know it's frustrating losing
• 44:30
  Tinter. I was upset yesterday, but this is you a second loss of
• 44:32
  the season, last one in September. So let's pump the brakes a bit.
• 44:37
  Like I said, better team one, and I think it's perfectly beforet
• 44:43
  Look, I think I don't know if you guys like I, I have
• 44:46
  noticed, but I absolutely head over heels. I'm in love with Maxlegly.
• 44:51
  I have been for many years. I love the man. I think.
• 44:54
  I love his tactics. I love his communication. I love his dry his
• 45:01
  humor, his his his yes, but he does it's so it's so funny
• 45:08
  when he does that voice and he's like, does that voice too, and
• 45:13
  I'm just like, I just can't stop lot. It's funny as hell.
• 45:17
  He's he's that dry tuskin wit, his sarcasm, the the the jokes that
• 45:25
  he does and he says them with a straight face. And now I love
• 45:29
  him. And also tactically, I think he's so underrated. I think he's
• 45:31
  one of the most underrated coaches of all time. In it time foot point,
• 45:34
  we're talking about someone who's gonna have one thousand points anytime soon. In
• 45:37
  the we're talking about someone who is reaching levels of winds in the city that
• 45:44
  is putting him in the greatest of all time, you know them, not
• 45:46
  just for Scudetti, but also for just wins and and you know how many
• 45:52
  and how many the records he's setting. I mean, what he's done,
• 45:55
  the you know, I never like. For me. The thing with him
• 46:00
  is, I if I want in a one off game I'm playing a team
• 46:05
  that I know qualitatively is better than mine, I want a legally on my
• 46:09
  bench because I know that a Max Aleg side in a one off game,
• 46:14
  in a cup final against someone who's much better than you, he'll get a
• 46:17
  result because he is like a he knows how to minimize your weaknesses and he
• 46:23
  knows how to find the weakness of the opposition. Like like few others,
• 46:28
  I think he's so disrespected and I absolutely love the guy and the fact that
• 46:32
  he does these things that drives people in saying like why are you playing him
• 46:37
  there? And what? But but he's he knows what he's doing. He
• 46:39
  knows what he's doing, and no, I I have so much respect for
• 46:44
  a leg. Really, do I feel like you're one of the few,
• 46:47
  like, yeah, I have a look, I have a My co host,
• 46:52
  Carlo he absolutely hates a leg like he wants to. Yeah, it's
• 47:00
  like and I just think it's so funny because he winds him up. I
• 47:04
  mean, did you guys, I think it was last season he did an
• 47:07
  interview with I think it was Italia, and as soon as I saw those
• 47:12
  quotes, I knew that Carlo was going to have a fit because he gave
• 47:19
  all of those like like young player, no no, a that was just
• 47:27
  delicious, Like young players first have to learn how to play in the city
• 47:31
  d then they have to go to the Ceitiachi and then they have to go
• 47:34
  to the city and they have to go to the city. And Carlo was
• 47:37
  like the more he was really he was getting angrier and angrier, and and
• 47:40
  I was like, what are you talking about, Gatta. Of course they
• 47:44
  have to do that, and I was winding him up, and he was
• 47:45
  just like he was exploding. It's like that is so archaic. And I'm
• 47:50
  like, no, no, f Gavetta. We all have to do it.
• 47:52
  And he was like stop that, it's not funny. It's like it's
• 47:55
  absolutely hilarious. No, look, look he is very old. Yes,
• 48:00
  let's not you know, but I still think that there should be room in
• 48:05
  football, in modern football for coaches like a legacy, even though I do
• 48:08
  think that, you know, I think a lot of the stuff he says
• 48:12
  he just says to piss people off. I really think he's a wind up
• 48:15
  merchant. It's just that he's got a very good poker face. Like and
• 48:19
  that's why I love him, because I think it's so obvious when he does
• 48:22
  it and everyone takes it literally gets really upset, and that's what he wants
• 48:25
  and it's it's comedy. I think it's a brilliant, absolutely brilliant. I
• 48:31
  honestly love that assessment with because personally because one of my favorite YouTube channels to
• 48:37
  follow that I've been following for years now is at the Bowl and I love
• 48:42
  them. Yeah, they like their alegy impressions and a so good with the
• 48:47
  impressions. Just I think my favorite episode or video that did once is they
• 48:55
  had a Legacy right next to them and they're just they're having that Thealla offa
• 49:02
  ba so good. It was so so good. And that song they did
• 49:08
  before the Champions League final with the oh my god, Yeah it is so
• 49:14
  funny. It's so now they're they're hilarious those guys, or there was one
• 49:20
  time. Sorry, I'm just gonna go go off a quick tagent. But
• 49:22
  like there was one time where it was the Fanta Couchou pre season video.
• 49:27
  I think it was like for like the eighteen nineteen season probably was it eighteen
• 49:32
  nineteen or nineteen twenty, and it's just like there's there's a there's a person
• 49:37
  with a walker trying to have a hard time getting across the street, and
• 49:40
  the they're gonna help you out, and it just the guy turns around and
• 49:44
  it's it's just by Too and all that music that my buddies and I had
• 49:54
  a face. We were just like whenever we're standing still, we would just
• 49:59
  do the good times. Uh. Getting to speaking of fun, we're gonna
• 50:07
  get to a fun social media question asked by mister Alpha Bravo here. I
• 50:13
  saw, I saw, he saw his comment already, but obviously we're gonna
• 50:15
  get after seeing yesterday, Is there any player in our squad? Inter obviously
• 50:24
  in parentheses that gives you may con vibes questions for well, okay, okay,
• 50:30
  So I gotta give some context on that. So basically, yeah,
• 50:34
  on Studio in, which is a podcast we had on print and I I
• 50:37
  we did it for many years and I just had to Unfortunately I have to
• 50:39
  stop because I didn't have time anymore. But one episode when it was the
• 50:45
  first season, when Dumfries had come on Right It's signed for Right, and
• 50:49
  I had Uncle Charmond who was on YouTube as well, and he was a
• 50:52
  guest on Our Pardon, and I said, and I was basically saying,
• 50:57
  I think, and what the point I was trying to make was, I
• 51:00
  I think that when he's at his best, when Dumfries is at his best,
• 51:04
  he gives me dumb Dumfries, he gives the Dumfries gives me mic on
• 51:07
  vibes, and Charmon's not having it. And charm was having it and he
• 51:12
  was not having it. And then they all like, and that's resurfaced,
• 51:15
  like that clips resurface a year later. And then everyone we're just because we're
• 51:20
  you know, we're just a bunch of people on just joke around in the
• 51:22
  intercommunity just by you know, just that banter. We have this trial season
• 51:27
  as we call it, where we we basically have like a trial on spaces
• 51:30
  where you have to defend your ship takes essentially, and and they had a
• 51:37
  trial for me and I had to defend that and so that's where that comes
• 51:39
  from. Mic on Vibes had hashtag mic on vibes. So yeah, that's
• 51:44
  where that comes from. No, I I think no, no, no
• 51:50
  question because because that was just in the beginning and we've since seen that there
• 51:54
  are no vibes and there are no vibes. You know, this is a
• 52:00
  vibe free zone. Uh. While we're on the While we're on the topic
• 52:06
  of social media questions, we did get another one from our friend Dieter,
• 52:10
  who always writes to us after listening to an episode, always sends us question
• 52:15
  so we got to shut them out. But he writes, Hi Siria a
• 52:19
  michi with this inter team beat the inter team of last season and is shot
• 52:24
  is Hakan the best midfielder in Syria. Undoubtedly, this inter team beats the
• 52:31
  inter team of last season for many reasons. Number one, in this inter
• 52:36
  team is much more balanced. This much, this inter team is much more
• 52:40
  a compact unit. Yeah, but it's also much more mature the mental aspect.
• 52:45
  This is an inter team this year that can play in very many different
• 52:49
  ways. They can play off the park via they're fantastic passing, but they
• 52:52
  can also they are also a team that knows how to suffer, which is
• 52:57
  you know, in Italian football, they always you know, talk about to
• 53:00
  know how to suffer. That's what separates a big, a great winning team
• 53:04
  from a medium team from from an average mid table team. Inter this year
• 53:08
  know how to suffer and they always come out on top. That's that that
• 53:13
  Inter are yet to concede a goal after the seventy six minute in the Seria
• 53:17
  zero goals conceded. That is just a brilliant example of what I'm talking about.
• 53:23
  So yes, I think this set and also because of the individuals,
• 53:28
  Chalonoglu is better. I think pavad is levels better than Screenia in this back
• 53:32
  three system. He's over the moon that he's here. He was my number
• 53:37
  one replacement for Screenia. I think team is way better than Lukaku was last
• 53:43
  year and this year, and Lautaro's better than Lautaro was last year. I
• 53:46
  think we have more depths exactly like you said. So no, yes,
• 53:51
  without a doubt, this that is is better than the last years. And
• 53:55
  yes, Hakkan Chalanoglo I think is head and shoulders the best midfielder in the
• 53:59
  city. Yuh. I think he's actually throwing his head in his his his
• 54:02
  hat in the ring to be discussed as one of the best in Europe.
• 54:07
  Seriously, this season, he's at least twelve months he's been unplayable. It's
• 54:10
  just unbelievable how good he's been. I never thought he'd be this good.
• 54:15
  I know exactly why. One reason, and it's an easy reason as to
• 54:19
  why inter of this year will be the inter of last year. It's because
• 54:22
  intern of last year have Lukaku coming on towards the last few minutes and be
• 54:25
  a part of like blocking a goal or missing a very open chat or just
• 54:30
  getting the ball off is heard. Oh my god, he's so clumsy too.
• 54:38
  Yeah, he's just in the way and place for a Roman. Now
• 54:40
  I can make jokes about him, it's all. But I have to say,
• 54:45
  Johnny, like as a Romanista, like has he fulfilled what you expected
• 54:52
  of him? Or are you disappointed? No, He's definitely fulfilled. Uh,
• 54:57
  there's a there was a big knee going into the season when Tommy was
• 54:59
  injured and knew knowing that he was going to be injured for a long time,
• 55:01
  and I honestly had zero problems with him saying that, like you know,
• 55:06
  like like everyone like I was like, oh, well, he wasn't
• 55:07
  Rome's first choice, Like who cares. He's like who cares. He's on
• 55:12
  the team. He's going to do his job as long as he as long
• 55:15
  as he does his job and he plays the plays the role that he's given,
• 55:17
  then I have zero problems with it and Romo overall, it's a team
• 55:22
  of rentals. It's it's it's a team that is establishing its core that it's
• 55:28
  that it just seems that, like you know, like a player here or
• 55:30
  a player there leaves every few seasons and it's like, okay, now you
• 55:34
  got to reidentify who you're the team that you're building around, and they kind
• 55:37
  of had that. Now they've kind of had that stability is just the extra
• 55:39
  pieces, like the arms and the legs of the team are just obviously constantly
• 55:44
  constantly being changed. But nonetheless, you know, like like Lukaku coming in
• 55:50
  was we knew that it was going to be a rental. It's going to
• 55:52
  be a player that just needs to feel the role of a striker while while
• 55:54
  tam he recovers and he has been doing that whenever he's been playing. He
• 55:58
  doesn't have to be stellar every game. I wasn't expecting him to be a
• 56:00
  world beater. But it's not as if he's been a disappointment every game either.
• 56:04
  You know, he's he's performed, he's played, he's played well.
• 56:06
  The Bala has been fantastic whenever he plays, you know, like it's not
• 56:09
  his fault that he's that he's injury prone, but whenever he's available, it's
• 56:13
  fantastic. So I'm happy with what I got out of what ROOM was getting
• 56:17
  out of Lucaku. It's not the Lucaku that feels like he was on cruise
• 56:22
  control with his second tenure at inter where I feel like as if that that
• 56:27
  time he's just like if he wasn't like I feel like, I don't know,
• 56:30
  like he said he wanted to come back, but there's just something that
• 56:32
  he just like, you know, like I guess maybe just did a meshwell
• 56:35
  under under in Zaggie, whereas you know, like maybe just was different Conte
• 56:43
  Conte Lucaku was miles and miles ahead better than than in Zagie Lucaku. And
• 56:47
  I would even I would even say, like I would slightly argue that Moriino
• 56:53
  Lucaku is better than in Zague Lucaku. Now obviously he's got the ROSSI now
• 56:59
  as his manager, So I think that's just morgaant it like whatever happens is
• 57:02
  just more of a motivational change with a different manager in But what remains to
• 57:07
  be seen overall been just to sum it all up, just to drive it
• 57:13
  home. I've been okay with it. I've been no pleasantly surprised. Notationspecations
• 57:21
  weren't high anyways to begin, and I was like, okay, as long
• 57:22
  as you know, like he does his duties. There was a there was
• 57:25
  a point where you're scoring every game and Europa League he was on fire too,
• 57:29
  so which was very helpful for the team. So that's why for me
• 57:32
  it was like, look, he's doing his job. I have like,
• 57:35
  why would I complain about a guy who's doing his job, you know,
• 57:37
  like he's being paid to score goals. He scored those goals. That's it.
• 57:39
  That's all. Yeah, that's I think that's fair. It's it's just
• 57:45
  I think you're you're analysis of Roma spawn. Look, the freakins have spent
• 57:51
  so much money trying to take it Roma off the stock market to stabilize the
• 57:53
  club, the financial for a play that's constantly pro summers in the summer going
• 58:00
  to be hard for them. It's going to be very hard for them.
• 58:01
  Sixty million net in by June thirtieth. I mean that's I don't know how
• 58:07
  you're going to do that, and so for me, I'm looking at that
• 58:12
  if you don't make it, if you don't make it to the Champions League,
• 58:15
  worse. But I think one thing that I felt like as if it
• 58:19
  was kind of silly for them to do, which could have been an easier
• 58:22
  probably way out, like maybe because I don't know how the contracts detail the
• 58:25
  contract details were, but in my head, I'm like, just right up
• 58:29
  Mourinho's contract until the end, you know, like you might it might cause,
• 58:32
  yeah, you might miss out on Champions But Mourinho has past two years
• 58:37
  with Roma has gone into a European final. I know it's not the Champions
• 58:39
  League, but it's still a final. Nonetheless, it's still a respectable position
• 58:44
  to be in. He's one one and lost it penalties in the other.
• 58:45
  If an easy way to make money is to do well in these European competitions,
• 58:51
  you know exactly, Yeah, I agree with what you said. I
• 58:54
  think the problem was that I don't think that if there was a there was
• 58:58
  a good enough feeling between freed the Freedkins and Marino. I think what happened,
• 59:02
  which I understand, which I understand his contract expired in the summer,
• 59:07
  was just that's where my question was discussed, because we've discussed it on our
• 59:09
  show before. It's like Modinho does he stay or go come come season time,
• 59:14
  and like, honestly speaking, he wants to stay. He loves it
• 59:15
  allma, but like I wouldn't be surprised if he goes. I don't really
• 59:19
  surprised if they don't renew him. I just think logically speaking, it's like
• 59:22
  whether it's been a positive or negative season, it's better to kind of write
• 59:25
  it out. But you know, that's that's why it's better just to write
• 59:30
  out, especially that it's his last year of his contract. If it was
• 59:31
  like maybe a year and a half left or two years, it's like,
• 59:35
  okay, doing a buyout is better than just buying out than waiting the two
• 59:37
  years. But like maybe the three four months would have been worth it,
• 59:42
  especially for the European competition side of things versus you know, like the league
• 59:45
  play. But hey, three three wins, right, so you know,
• 59:52
  I mean it is quite financially, I do understand it. In my opinion,
• 59:55
  again, he was bound to go eventually at one point or another.
• 1:00:00
  But I grew with Johnny and in the sense of, you know, you're
• 1:00:04
  not waiting out to two years, you're waiting out six months, so you
• 1:00:07
  know where you know that balance right it out? Try your best, try
• 1:00:08
  your best to do well in European competition, try to get some extra prize
• 1:00:12
  money there and use that to fix your financial situation. But that's just me
• 1:00:16
  looking as an outsider. Obviously, I don't know how the books are on
• 1:00:19
  the inside. I don't know. I think it was more. I think
• 1:00:22
  it was more a case of they wanted to they know how popular like these
• 1:00:28
  clubs, especially Roman Monopoly or such special piazza, like it's to get rid
• 1:00:35
  of. Mourinho was going to be unbelievably unpopular because of how loved he is
• 1:00:39
  in Rome and by the generals. I mean we you know, we were
• 1:00:44
  joking about it on our podcast that if Mourinho literally killed a child at the
• 1:00:49
  in the middle of the pitch at the Olympico, the fans would still applaud
• 1:00:52
  him like you do know wrong, like they were probably help We're going to
• 1:01:00
  get you know, what I mean, he really became this like a Roman
• 1:01:08
  emperor figure with rama and and and he could do no wrong. So when
• 1:01:13
  they got rid of him, I mean because I think I think it was
• 1:01:16
  obvious after they getropa League final, when they didn't extend his contract, that
• 1:01:21
  he broke his own because usually running after that walks, but he said,
• 1:01:24
  no, I'm going to stay here, I ain't going anywhere. I'm going
• 1:01:27
  to honor my contract. And then I felt yeah, and already then I
• 1:01:31
  was like, yeah, it's obvious that this relationship is not going to work,
• 1:01:36
  and he wants to end it respectively, and and so you you know,
• 1:01:39
  and and so it was obvious to me that the freakins wanted to get
• 1:01:43
  rid of him, and they they they knew it was going to be unpopular
• 1:01:46
  when you get rid of him. So what do you do to ease that
• 1:01:50
  blow? Will you bring in Daniella de Rossi, who, after Francisco Totti,
• 1:01:52
  is the second most important god in Rome's universe, right, so you
• 1:01:58
  put him in there. You know, he's not exactly very tactically a stud
• 1:02:00
  manager. If he fails, that's fine, you can get rid of him
• 1:02:05
  too. And then that's another distraction out of the way, and then you
• 1:02:07
  can start with a free, fresh, clean slate in the summer, with
• 1:02:10
  a new sporting project with a new manager, and so on and so forth.
• 1:02:14
  I think all of this was just a tactical decision by by the Friedkins
• 1:02:19
  to get rid of all the like the baggage and start afresh, because I
• 1:02:22
  think Roma, just like Latzio are going and Nonopoly are going to need to
• 1:02:29
  restart and reboot those projects in the summer. That's and that's where it ties
• 1:02:34
  upon to your point that you made earlier before, because I don't disagree.
• 1:02:37
  It was just more like a Napoli built up, a corps, established it,
• 1:02:42
  and then in the season lost it, and uh, you know,
• 1:02:45
  behind the scenes, it was just like it was just a bunch of turmoil,
• 1:02:47
  and it's like like so many massive changes in such a short span,
• 1:02:52
  one of which was predictable with Kim, you know, he had a release
• 1:02:54
  cause you know it wasn't a high one. So it's you expect for somebody
• 1:02:59
  to come along and offer it, you know, And that's what I expected.
• 1:03:01
  I'll see then this summer. And you know we said the last episode,
• 1:03:04
  hey, if Napoli's getting one hundred thirty million euros for the guy.
• 1:03:07
  They they net profit forty million euros plus. They want to scoot that though
• 1:03:10
  with them in a Coopitalia, you know what I mean, Like they got
• 1:03:13
  they got value out of our semen. So for me, it's it's not
• 1:03:15
  like like like there's no Bendettas anymore, you know what I meant. Unfortunately,
• 1:03:22
  know you're absolutely right. It's it's how and I'm and I know that
• 1:03:25
  and I understand, and especially when players come in from a different nationality and
• 1:03:30
  they say that, oh, you know, my dream club was always real
• 1:03:32
  or my dream club was always Chelsea. Like I fully expect about at Skelly,
• 1:03:36
  if he continues to like progress, you know, maybe one day where
• 1:03:39
  where the real Madrid Jersey. And I wouldn't be mad at all because I
• 1:03:43
  know that in his mind, that's his end game, that's his Yoh.
• 1:03:45
  He's been very honest about that too, Yeah, honest, and I fully
• 1:03:50
  respect. And that's the thing, like a lot of people are getting insulted
• 1:03:52
  or pissed off. It's like, guys, this is how the nature of
• 1:03:53
  the sport is. You take one player, you make them, you flip
• 1:03:57
  them for a profit. You reinvest in the team and you go further,
• 1:04:00
  you flip and you make more profits. So that's always been the mo o
• 1:04:01
  of Napoly. So for me, it's like right now, this season has
• 1:04:05
  been a rough one. It's been it's just for me, it was just
• 1:04:08
  more trying. I think Monopoly situation was just trying to find stability, but
• 1:04:12
  Roma situation was just I think there was just a bit more frustration. I
• 1:04:15
  guess they just felt like as if nothing was sticking no matter what they were
• 1:04:17
  trying, because the talent was there on paper, but it just wasn't clicking
• 1:04:21
  as a unit. Whereas Napoly, you know, it's like a like a
• 1:04:26
  like a big amount of confusion, half ass jobbed in terms of like trying
• 1:04:30
  to find a replacement for for a Spalletti. Oh I got my brain just
• 1:04:33
  shut down there for half a second. Was about to say Sady, like
• 1:04:35
  no, Sadi was before, you know, like half ass attempt to get
• 1:04:41
  Spallett replacement for Spalletti. And you could tell that, you know, de
• 1:04:47
  Lorentes was Delta had that. He's like, oh crap, I gotta you
• 1:04:50
  know, play it out and I gotta ask you though, how I wanted
• 1:04:55
  to ask you because you said, I know that you support both Roma and
• 1:04:58
  Romanopoly too quick, just how did that come about? And two do you
• 1:05:02
  did you? Like? How the hell do you manage? Because Roma is
• 1:05:08
  enough in and of itself, not really sure as Hell is enough in and
• 1:05:11
  of itself. The two together I would not be able to handle that.
• 1:05:15
  That's too much joy like Superman, Like Superman, you have to be like
• 1:05:19
  Buddha of like when it comes to like mine support both like well, how
• 1:05:27
  do you think I deal with teaching? Sometimes? But so Roma was my
• 1:05:31
  team ever since I was a kid. I was born in ninety two,
• 1:05:34
  so for me, like growing up in the early to mid nineties, you
• 1:05:38
  know, I saw that beautiful city of the of the of the mid to
• 1:05:42
  late nineties and the early two thousands, and honestly speaking, Roma just started
• 1:05:45
  because Napoly wasn't so for even more contact my family, like my father was
• 1:05:50
  born in and my my my mom's family comes from a small town. Well
• 1:05:58
  my my my father I no, no, from my mom's family comes from
• 1:06:00
  a small town thirty minutes from U from Napoly. And so anyways, so
• 1:06:06
  growing up right, Napoli wasn't doing so well in nearly nineties and eventually,
• 1:06:11
  as we all know, you know, going through the whole you know,
• 1:06:13
  bankruptcy issue and just trembling down the ladder essentially so. And honestly, when
• 1:06:17
  I was four years old, my favorite color, like still now, my
• 1:06:19
  favorite color was red, and I was just there. I was a kid
• 1:06:23
  watching TV, watching City out my no No where my dad, and I'd
• 1:06:26
  just be like, oh, I like this team, and silly enough,
• 1:06:29
  it sounds like a stupid, freaking reason, but I always thought lan Juve
• 1:06:32
  and Inter were the same team because they were always prying the same jerseys,
• 1:06:35
  but in the colors, right, I was a kid. I couldn't comprehend
• 1:06:40
  it, you know, like I didn't. Some would say, some would
• 1:06:42
  be video time. Yeah, no, I would say. Some would say,
• 1:06:45
  like if in Naples, they would say you were right, you were
• 1:06:46
  astute as a kid, that they are the same, They're the same evil.
• 1:06:54
  So that's actually yeah, So I just couldn't get away with that.
• 1:06:57
  In yes, I just started Mucus through the Red team and then obviously,
• 1:07:00
  you know, like woke up ninety eight was my first memorable experience, and
• 1:07:03
  stuff's when I started watching Sadia even further, and you know, a young
• 1:07:06
  Tati a Roma was just so fantastic to watch. So eventually that's what stuck.
• 1:07:12
  That's what's stuck for me. And then obviously because I'm so attached to
• 1:07:15
  my specifically my No No you know, he was the first guy gave me
• 1:07:19
  my first soccer ball as a kid. When when Napoli started coming back to
• 1:07:24
  Citia, I had like that's when the advent of YouTube was just starting.
• 1:07:28
  It was like the mid two thousand and five and stuff, you know,
• 1:07:30
  and there was a channel on YouTube that I found that had Citia b highlights,
• 1:07:33
  So I used to show my No No Sadi at b highlights of Napoli
• 1:07:36
  and stuff. And you know, like he always had like a little pennant
• 1:07:40
  in his car with the and the and the and the Europe you know,
• 1:07:45
  the the White Fuck Cup that they won and stuff, and you know,
• 1:07:48
  so I kind of slowly developing because like there was an underdog love for them,
• 1:07:53
  you know, like I was like, it's my non Nos team,
• 1:07:55
  you know, like I see the excitement that he had watching him and stuff,
• 1:07:58
  and and especially like I said that, it had that underdogness and especially
• 1:08:01
  the year that when they got Quadiella and then eventually flipped them for Cavani.
• 1:08:04
  That's when I started buying it into into it even more. For me,
• 1:08:08
  it was just like, oh, it's my set my city up B team,
• 1:08:10
  or it's my second team. But it's just throughout the years of just
• 1:08:13
  getting really involved. And I guess it's as weird as it sounds. There's
• 1:08:17
  some I'm not saying all fans and I know I'm probably gonna get, you
• 1:08:20
  know, maybe some backlash of this, but I feel like there are some
• 1:08:24
  fans of the Big Three, which you know rightfully so they might have that
• 1:08:27
  that just have this like superiority complex because they support one of the Big Three.
• 1:08:31
  And I will say to death they are They are the Big three for
• 1:08:34
  a reason. These three teams will will always be the Big three, and
• 1:08:38
  those are always the inter Milan and Ve will always be the Big Three.
• 1:08:41
  There's no way, there's no way I'm ever gonna put Napoli or Roma into
• 1:08:44
  that category. I'm not saying they're below, but they're never gonna be in
• 1:08:46
  that tier. But it's it was just like that had that superiority complex,
• 1:08:51
  just like, really, are you very That's kind of make me love them
• 1:08:55
  even more and just Johnny, you're very polite. It's called arrogance, and
• 1:08:58
  arrogance theres just be honest, but arrogant. We are arrogant, and it's
• 1:09:04
  true. Let's not even try to believe it's it's not like as if it's
• 1:09:09
  arrogance that comes from nothing. There there isn't like a base that there is
• 1:09:12
  a basis for the arrogance. I don't disagree, you know, but it's
• 1:09:15
  just I don't know. It just kind of like like I guess hit a
• 1:09:16
  personal note for me and just I know, like I'm aware, like there
• 1:09:23
  is self awareness here. I am aware that we we the three up North,
• 1:09:28
  we the three strike teams from m we we are obnoxious. I get
• 1:09:30
  that. And it's not lost on me how people from other teams look at
• 1:09:35
  the three and like we hate the three of you equally. I get that.
• 1:09:41
  I really get that. Full of cousin full off to my cousin Nick.
• 1:09:45
  But there's only one of the big three that I fully hate. But
• 1:09:47
  but that's the only one of the Big three where I'm just there, like
• 1:09:50
  if they lose, I'm like at the end of the day, right,
• 1:09:54
  but at the end of the day, it's but it's all sports. At
• 1:09:56
  the end of the day, it's that's that's that's your set. Second question,
• 1:10:00
  how do I deal with the mental? How do I deal with mentally?
• 1:10:03
  That's what it is like as a teenager, it comes on the podcast.
• 1:10:10
  As a teenager was rough. It was rough because you know, like
• 1:10:12
  if you don't have that emotional maturity. But as a girl, and I'm
• 1:10:15
  like, look, there's other things in life that and it's like it's I
• 1:10:17
  understand, Like, don't get me wrong, Like whenever my favorite teams lose,
• 1:10:20
  I'm obviously like I feel like, ah, like what did they lose?
• 1:10:23
  But I'm never gonna be one to be like, you know, like
• 1:10:27
  start fights with people online as Twitter as it shows, I like to joke
• 1:10:30
  around and and you know, bus balls and stuff. That's the way I
• 1:10:32
  love to do it. I'm always gonna like, you know, like make
• 1:10:34
  a joke off a quote, tweet or something just to get a loaf or
• 1:10:36
  two. But you know, like if you're if you're really getting upset and
• 1:10:41
  irritated, it's it's not everyone's a good but it's passionate. Like there's a
• 1:10:44
  difference between being passionate for your team and like having it being a lunat mental
• 1:10:47
  health being a lunatic. Yeah, Like there's a difference between the two,
• 1:10:51
  and like when it affects your mental health, that's we need to start asking
• 1:10:55
  questions. And that's what I kind of helped teach myself, like you know
• 1:10:58
  what, Like especially with the rule of sort of monopoly this year, it's
• 1:11:00
  like like, Okay, well, I had expectations for them to be in
• 1:11:02
  top four. I like Go of that. I expect expectations for Roma to
• 1:11:06
  be in top four. I like Go that. I think this might be
• 1:11:09
  the first season since like maybe the early two thousand that I haven't seen either
• 1:11:13
  one of the teams I've support finished in the top four spot, and I
• 1:11:15
  have to take a deeper look into that. So like I've liked go them,
• 1:11:18
  but you know what I've accepted, and that's because that's reality. That
• 1:11:20
  was their fasts. You know, you can't change and you can't change things.
• 1:11:24
  You can't control either, right. The only thing I can controls my
• 1:11:27
  emotions. So that's how I deal with with the emotions. Just temper expectations,
• 1:11:32
  have fun. I remember, it's a sport. Can be uh yeah,
• 1:11:39
  the philosophy guys Tonight email Johnny I mean, this is this is just
• 1:11:45
  great, Johnny Zen I love that calm down like a stressful day, I
• 1:11:49
  feel like complete. I love that you should do like we should do a
• 1:11:54
  live broadcast when they just Janny and Matt just talking about philosophy, talking about
• 1:11:59
  lifeless exist a frustrating loss. Just calm down. Yeah, tables you come
• 1:12:08
  to Johnny and Nima, But yeah you can, in my opinion, just
• 1:12:12
  add on to that you couldn't be a hardcore fan but but still have half
• 1:12:15
  a brain and and uh, you know, have a conversation with people,
• 1:12:18
  and and and again. But you know, just to tie in back to
• 1:12:21
  what we kind of opened the show with, I mean, the camaraderie of
• 1:12:24
  being able to have these conversations, right, like you know, before this,
• 1:12:28
  like you know, we don't know each other from the whole mode,
• 1:12:30
  right, but we're talking. We're having a conversation as if we've known each
• 1:12:32
  other, you know, for for twenty thirty years. So for us,
• 1:12:35
  that's that's always been like the biggest thing. And yeah, absolutely trying to
• 1:12:40
  be one more headed. But at the same time, you know, no
• 1:12:43
  one to throw in a joke, when no one to take a joke,
• 1:12:45
  no one to I mean for us, it's always We've always tried to show
• 1:12:47
  off as much as we can across you know, we have we have each
• 1:12:51
  well you know Johnny Special, so we has two teams, but we have
• 1:12:55
  different you know, perspectives and different uh you know, we're we're we're we
• 1:13:00
  sport four different teams among this on this show alone, right, So obviously
• 1:13:03
  we're gonna have our biases. But when we come together, I think is
• 1:13:06
  when it is most powerful. And going back to what we were saying about,
• 1:13:11
  you know, making change and stuff like that, you know that's what
• 1:13:13
  we need, man, we need to come together. We can't start continuously
• 1:13:16
  going going apart. But you know that that could be a whole other show
• 1:13:20
  on its own. We already know that. So we're not gonna go down
• 1:13:24
  that rabbit hole. But we just wanted to ask. I mean, obviously
• 1:13:28
  I kind of had a two part question. I know they don't really go
• 1:13:30
  together, but Champions League is deficult, is obviously coming up soon, you
• 1:13:36
  know, big tests with Atletico Madrid. But again, this is an inter
• 1:13:44
  side that you know, last season made it all the way to the final
• 1:13:46
  and arguably for some, probably for most maybe could have even you know won
• 1:13:51
  that matchup, right, You know it only took that one strike from Roger
• 1:13:55
  to to end that game, right, So you know, some say that
• 1:14:00
  obviously this is a big game, and it is a big game obviously.
• 1:14:01
  I mean I want to go. There's no pushover of the side. You
• 1:14:04
  know, maybe they're not what they once were, but again for me,
• 1:14:08
  the no, there's still no pushover. Your thoughts on on on upcoming Champions
• 1:14:14
  League campaign? This this run, can they do it again? I don't
• 1:14:16
  know, but first off, your your thoughts about the upcoming matchup against I
• 1:14:23
  to go Atletico is I they're they're a tough side, and Cholo knows Inter
• 1:14:30
  and Interno, so I think it's it's fifty to fifty. You know,
• 1:14:35
  they they're all good friends, Like this is literally this is fine connection.
• 1:14:43
  They're good friends too, and they all know each other. Semeona was it
• 1:14:45
  Inter He's always been linked in the he said he wants to coaching tern and
• 1:14:48
  they like this is their opponents, but their friends, and they know each
• 1:14:53
  other inside out. They know each other's philosophy, they know each other's mentality,
• 1:14:57
  they know everything about one another. So that that's what makes it like
• 1:15:00
  a little bit more trickier too, because when you know each other inside out
• 1:15:04
  as well as these two they that they know each other, that makes it
• 1:15:09
  that evens it out for me. I don't think anyone's going to be able
• 1:15:12
  to pull out something out of the hat tactically that the other one isn't expecting
• 1:15:15
  or prepared for. I think this is going to be one of those things
• 1:15:18
  that is going to be decided on the episodes, like basically, yeah,
• 1:15:27
  exactly the episode they will decide it. I don't think it's going to be
• 1:15:30
  a blowout either way. I really see this fifty to fifty. I think,
• 1:15:34
  given if in to be Roman, then they got sell Anitana and then
• 1:15:38
  they got Athletico, and then they got a couple of games and they got
• 1:15:40
  Atletico again, pretty easy games. I think Inter can't really blame the fixture
• 1:15:45
  list. They will go, they will, they can, they can rotate
• 1:15:46
  ahead of the first game, and I think the first game is the most
• 1:15:48
  important one. They have to win that by at least two goals, because
• 1:15:53
  one of them that you know, they're strong home side Atletico Madrid, and
• 1:15:57
  unfortunately Rod de Powell has scovered his amazing form greecemann is unplayable moratas life like
• 1:16:05
  they are. They are a quality side, even though maybe not not doing
• 1:16:09
  so well in Liga, but they are a quality side and they can punish
• 1:16:14
  you, so Inter have to be very switched on. I don't know if
• 1:16:20
  I think this inter side can win the Champions League this season. I think
• 1:16:24
  the depth and attack especially leaves a bit to desire. But I think the
• 1:16:32
  target is to win this correcto. That's what they've said from day one,
• 1:16:34
  Number twenty, the second star. That's the target. Fine, if that's
• 1:16:38
  the target, then that's great. I think they they've set a goal for
• 1:16:43
  themselves to minimum quarterfinal, and that's what I said, is well, I
• 1:16:46
  think going to the final was just you know, you gotta be lucky with
• 1:16:48
  the draw and all that. I would be for me, the target before
• 1:16:53
  the season was get to the quarterfinal the Champions League, win the cety ah.
• 1:16:58
  If they can do that, then they've hit might. Anything more than
• 1:17:00
  that is just a bonus. Interesting and and just another another point that I
• 1:17:06
  kind of wanted to ask earlier but it didn't come to be. You mentioned
• 1:17:13
  a bit about it with with with the juvel and you were talking about talking
• 1:17:15
  about the derby in terms of you know, Juntui coming in and really and
• 1:17:18
  really making an impact for that for the for this juve, what have you
• 1:17:24
  made, Like what have you are able to kind of pinpoint like how this
• 1:17:30
  this recent success because obviously both Meal and Clubs were in the shitter for about
• 1:17:34
  a ten year span. You know, the banter era was was a really
• 1:17:36
  dark time. If anybody was a fan during those years, uh and seen
• 1:17:41
  some of the players on those teams, seeing the history of these teams in
• 1:17:45
  the past, it was just laughable, right Adriana, I was depressed.
• 1:17:47
  I was there when Massa were captains in the derby, like I felt like
• 1:17:54
  I felt like I wanted I wanted to shower afterwards, Like how did we
• 1:17:58
  go from Maldinians and from like that is to make this? Yeah, Gabriel
• 1:18:05
  fucking fi Urbia Manuo saying I mean like you guys were just just laughable names.
• 1:18:12
  But what have yeah? Like we're like and would you say that,
• 1:18:15
  like you know, Marota coming over, like I mean, like where do
• 1:18:19
  you kind of like put your finger on and say, you know, there's
• 1:18:23
  recent success for for inter you know, obviously they want to scol with with
• 1:18:26
  with the in the CONTI year, they're they're you know, on the pace
• 1:18:31
  of potentially doing that again this season, even though it's not. It's not
• 1:18:34
  over. Is it the Marolta effect? Is it? Is it in Zagie?
• 1:18:40
  Is it? You know the players like like a Lottaro who finally woke
• 1:18:44
  up and it's being this player that is, like you said, unplayable.
• 1:18:47
  Where do you kind of like pinpoint this recent success and is again how maybe
• 1:18:54
  how long is it could be sustainable for like, like where do you coin
• 1:18:57
  all that? I think that's a really good question. I think it's it's
• 1:19:00
  one of those situations where one thing leads to another. I think after the
• 1:19:05
  Conte debacle because the way that you know, bringing Conte in, there there
• 1:19:12
  are no you know, shortcuts to success. You brought in Conte, you
• 1:19:15
  couldn't afford him. You broke your club record transfer record twice with Lukaku and
• 1:19:20
  and Brella. You couldn't really afford that either you were playing with you were
• 1:19:24
  paying ridiculous amounts of the wage bill was bizarre. You couldn't afford that,
• 1:19:29
  and so you had to adjust, and so Conte left. You sold Takemi
• 1:19:33
  Ericson had his medical injury, You sold Lukaku, and you started adapting accordingly
• 1:19:41
  after that, right, but you brought in Simonian Zagi. That was the
• 1:19:45
  key that Marotta had the wisdom to understand what the team needed to understand where
• 1:19:51
  the team was brought in Simonian Zagi, who is a completely different leader.
• 1:19:56
  He is a leader not out of the the Solida team aw Blake playbook of
• 1:20:01
  Antonio Conte, which is a who's a drill sergeant, but instead is straight
• 1:20:05
  out of the svengor and Ericson playbook of this kind of management by consent,
• 1:20:11
  not by fear. Guy. You know, he he's a former player,
• 1:20:14
  he's one of the guys. He he demands respect for his time in their
• 1:20:17
  time. But but he's not this drill sergeant. He's much more calmer.
• 1:20:21
  He likes to build a group by appealing to people's minds and hearts, like
• 1:20:26
  just like his mentors Sven Garen Erickson. It right, that change from the
• 1:20:32
  drill sergeant boot camp attitude of Conte, the eccentricity of Spaletti, because it's
• 1:20:41
  it's a per course. So I mean, you know, they all say
• 1:20:43
  that it started with Balletti. Everything Chile. The attitude change was Baletti and
• 1:20:45
  then they finished the Champions League twice and bringing Conte if in his second they
• 1:20:49
  win it. Simoni comes in or he's a young coach forty three forty four.
• 1:20:53
  When he comes in, they you know he's he's learning on the job.
• 1:20:58
  They don't have a lot of money to spend. They have to make
• 1:21:00
  net profits every year. But whilst he's doing this, and because of his
• 1:21:05
  leadership style and the football that he develops and he wants to play, he
• 1:21:10
  kind of gets the players on board, wins them over so that they're a
• 1:21:15
  unit now in a completely different way than they were when Conte was there.
• 1:21:21
  The football there are similarities. There's the vertical, there's a vertical that Cantele
• 1:21:27
  likes to use, the culture reticale. But there's also a fluidity and positional
• 1:21:32
  changes. It's a difficult football that they play, but because of the fact
• 1:21:38
  that he's he's got them going there for three years, everyone now knows what
• 1:21:42
  their job is, even though it's difficult. They know what they're supposed to
• 1:21:45
  do in every phase. They know what is required of them and every player
• 1:21:51
  has taken the step next step in their on their journey. He's improved everyone
• 1:21:57
  since he came up and last summer there was this revolution. Players left that
• 1:22:01
  needed to be dropped off, as sad as that is, but the ones
• 1:22:05
  that came in were better than the ones that they replaced. And this culture
• 1:22:12
  of wanting to win, wanting to improve, wanting to play, but do
• 1:22:15
  it in your way, but also doing it in a different way. This
• 1:22:18
  is not the traditional inter that I grew up with. This is not the
• 1:22:23
  antipathicle cont This is actually an inter who's a little bit more like Va if
• 1:22:30
  you know, dare I say it in the sense that we're we don't go
• 1:22:36
  into attack. We don't go into the world against us. Everyone is against
• 1:22:41
  us. No, we focus on the pitch. We don't respond to mind
• 1:22:43
  games, we don't respond to stuff like that. We focus on ourselves.
• 1:22:46
  We laugh it off. Where this where that's new for Intel. We play
• 1:22:50
  progressive football. I mean, this is the most beautiful football I've ever seen
• 1:22:55
  interplay consistently in my lifetime. I mean since eighteen eighty nine, inter interre
• 1:22:59
  have never been like that, you know, Helena Herrera, like that's the
• 1:23:03
  identity. This is a different inter completely different in how they communicate, in
• 1:23:09
  how they build a group, in how they're not high strung, they're relaxed.
• 1:23:15
  The football they play is progressive. There's a lot of fluidity, but
• 1:23:19
  there's a clear identity. And this identity is is much more similar to how
• 1:23:25
  Y'va wanted to perceive themselves when they were winning than it is to traditionally when
• 1:23:30
  inter are winning. And that's from Stephen Jang to Marotta, to everyone in
• 1:23:39
  the sporting side at least that you know, this is how we're going to
• 1:23:43
  do it. We're redefining what it means to be to be into. But
• 1:23:47
  we're doing it. We're not shocking the system. We're doing it in a
• 1:23:51
  in our way. We're reinterpreting it. And so far it's been very,
• 1:23:57
  very successful. And when I look at the squad, yeah, it's not
• 1:23:59
  you know, I look at it like the balance that Marotta wants to have
• 1:24:02
  between young and old, experienced and inexperienced. Where you have an Aslani learning
• 1:24:09
  from Chalanoglu, where Aslani calls him my big brother. Where you have Tejum
• 1:24:14
  Buchanan from Canada coming in and he's supposed to learn from Dharamian and he's supposed
• 1:24:17
  to learn from from Dumfries and they all take him under the wing under his
• 1:24:20
  wing like this, this is a culture that you build and that's what Martins
• 1:24:26
  Inzagie and his staff have done. Where As he says, I don't have
• 1:24:31
  eleven starters. I have twenty two starters, and they're just in different journeys
• 1:24:36
  in their careers, and he manages to do I mean, yesterday he brought
• 1:24:40
  on class and he was as, why do you bring on class and not
• 1:24:43
  sensey, Like, what's the issue? Is like, well, class and
• 1:24:45
  deserves more minutes. He's a quality player like and then everybody accepts that.
• 1:24:49
  That's to build a group on those terms. It's very, very difficult to
• 1:24:54
  do it. Playing that kind of football with these limited resources is damnely almost
• 1:24:58
  impossible. But they've done it, and you've got to give credit where credit
• 1:25:01
  is due. And I think the calmness with which they take on situations,
• 1:25:05
  the coolness with which they handle, you know, crises. Last year,
• 1:25:12
  in Zagi was sacked every single week from well pretty much October until May when
• 1:25:16
  he went to the Champions League final. He handled it by calmly, working
• 1:25:20
  harder, uniting the team, going through tactically, getting the balance right,
• 1:25:26
  et cetera, et cetera. And then they were lucky unlucky as well.
• 1:25:28
  But then you know, that kind of thing evens up when you do that,
• 1:25:31
  when you don't change your tone of voice when you're winning or losing,
• 1:25:35
  you have the same approach. You buy credibility within the group as well.
• 1:25:41
  And that's what in Zagie's done. And I think they all have a credibility
• 1:25:45
  in terms of the kiddibilita that they have amongst each other and towards each other.
• 1:25:50
  I think that is the biggest strength of the of this inta. Is
• 1:25:55
  they all they they all believe and trust each other because they've gone through hell
• 1:25:59
  and back together and they've done so not by losing their minds and losing their
• 1:26:02
  cools, but uniting and being calm, level headed, and and that's that's
• 1:26:09
  that's that's that's just not one person, but no one I think demonstrates and
• 1:26:13
  embodies that better than but he has ice in his veins. He is the
• 1:26:16
  calmest human being ever. So yeah, I mean that's the that's the long
• 1:26:21
  ended answer to your question. I guess, Anima. I know we could
• 1:26:28
  talk forever but a million different topics with you, but it was an absolute
• 1:26:31
  pleasure. You're honestly one of the favorite people I've had on to listen to,
• 1:26:38
  just sit down and listen to for the past hour and a half.
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  We really appreciate it. We definitely have to have you on again, probably
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  in the Euros probably talk some would that I would love that Italian soccer good
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  or bad, whatever happens to the national team. But where can people find
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  you on social media? Because I know your main things that are as we
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  discussed, the Italian Football podcast and sempre into dot com, So if people
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  don't know where can they find you and those on social media? Yeah,
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  if they want to follow me on Twitter, it's at Mima have r W
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  O D if you want to follow. The sampling to dot com is like
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  you said, we're at Simpling to come on all social media platforms and of
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  course the site if you want introduced in English and and uh. For the
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  Italian Football podcast, we're on Spotify on all you know on all platforms.
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  For podcasts, the Monday Pod Everyone Monday is free. And then we have
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  a Patreon where if people want to become a member for two ninety nine a
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  month, it's Patreon, dot com, slash t I f P. You
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  then get all the three episodes a week, uh, and you can ask
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  questions and all that other stuff. But yeah, at Eta foot pod on
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  on social media, Yima, it's been an absolute pleasure. Like Nick said,
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  I I know not we now know that we can get you on at
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  this time time. We know we're gonna, we're gonna, we're gonna,
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  we're gonna make it work again. So like a week said, it was
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  long overdue. We we definitely have been connected for for a while and and
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  yeah, happy we made it work finally. And yeah, guys like listen,
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  go follow the you know Nima and Carlo great work. They've been doing
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  it, uh for for a little while now. And yeah, man,
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  the content is is is not only good content, but it's consistent content.
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  Right. Uh. These guys, uh, you know, you know take
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  it seriously and for us, you know, you know, we appreciate that
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  type of stuff, that type of content in this community, uh, that
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  we're all a part of. Right, So guys, go follow at the
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  Talent Football Podcast, Nima, Carlo, all the guys. It's just great,
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  great work for us, Like we say every week at the culture guys
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  Instagram, Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, all that good stuff. For the
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  audio version of the podcast on all your favorite podcasting platforms and yeah, we'll
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  be back next week to talk about more culture. Pleasure was meant to be
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  with you guys, an absolute pleasure and any time happy to come on.
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  Thank you so much. M Yeah, thank you, and thank you thanks
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  for listening. JH. Bne