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- 0:00Speaker 1: So you left with just you and your husband John
- 0:04Speaker 1: that came next Nick, Yes, okay, did you see.
- 0:07Speaker 2: Him the whole time? He was obvious too. Yes, I did, and.
- 0:10Speaker 3: I could see him. He was over there, and then
- 0:12Speaker 3: he came back over and then I just start screaming, is.
- 0:29Speaker 2: Nick knowing to carry? Does he ever carry a weapon
- 0:31Speaker 2: with him?
- 0:32Speaker 3: He had a knife in his pocket.
- 0:35Speaker 1: Well, we got some stuff to work out, okay, because
- 0:38Speaker 1: it was more than just an injury.
- 0:39Speaker 2: It was a pretty serious event that happened.
- 0:42Speaker 4: Please help us.
- 0:42Speaker 5: This guy's a in a file and he won't leave
- 0:44Speaker 5: us alone.
- 0:45Speaker 2: Yeah, he still started everyone?
- 0:49Speaker 6: How many.
- 0:51Speaker 5: I was total?
- 0:52Speaker 7: At least three?
- 0:58Speaker 8: Just say people.
- 1:00Speaker 9: A man's inceptions of Paul and sad.
- 1:15Speaker 10: On July thirtieth, twenty twenty two, a group of teens
- 1:18Speaker 10: swimming in the Apple River noticed a fifty two year
- 1:21Speaker 10: old man allegedly making inappropriate comments towards one of the
- 1:24Speaker 10: females in the group. No a physical altercation between the
- 1:32Speaker 10: man and the teens ensued. However, things would quickly turn
- 1:36Speaker 10: for the worst because, after being pushed over by the teenagers,
- 1:39Speaker 10: the man pulls out a knife, and shortly after getting
- 1:43Speaker 10: to his feet, the man goes to attack Nikolai Meeu.
- 1:49Speaker 10: The man with the knife would go on to take
- 1:51Speaker 10: the life of seventeen year old Isaac Schumann and injure
- 1:54Speaker 10: four others in the process. One of the victims, aj Martin,
- 1:59Speaker 10: was cut so bad he had intestines protruding from his body.
- 2:03Speaker 10: Panic erupted, blood stained the river, and witnesses flooded County
- 2:07Speaker 10: police with nine one one calls.
- 2:18Speaker 7: Hello that one, Hello, where are you?
- 2:31Speaker 11: Oh my god, that's not happening.
- 2:37Speaker 4: It is not O.
- 2:40Speaker 12: My god, don't yep.
- 2:46Speaker 4: We got help coming, are you there were good?
- 2:48Speaker 13: Yeah, we're here to.
- 2:53Speaker 10: Call nine one one for the address of your emergency.
- 2:57Speaker 14: I'm a Apple.
- 3:00Speaker 9: We're on the river and died just that three people
- 3:03Speaker 9: imagine testings are falling out of his body.
- 3:05Speaker 15: Okay, stop, stop, stop right now, what's going on?
- 3:09Speaker 14: I'm on Apple.
- 3:12Speaker 15: River in Wisconsin.
- 3:13Speaker 10: Police rushed to the scene, but the damage had already
- 3:16Speaker 10: been done and the attacker, Nicolai, had fled the scene.
- 3:20Speaker 10: The race was now on to apprehend Nicolai and determine
- 3:24Speaker 10: what constant to commit such a horrifying act. This footage
- 3:28Speaker 10: has never been seen. If youwer, discretion is advised.
- 3:36Speaker 2: I'll peak it this way.
- 3:36Speaker 6: If you could get this wizard yep, they're doing CPI
- 3:41Speaker 6: right now.
- 3:42Speaker 16: If we could launch a boat here and get up there,
- 3:43Speaker 16: that'd be awesome.
- 3:45Speaker 7: The woods at the initial location a quarter mile verge.
- 3:50Speaker 4: Did he go up on the north or south bank?
- 3:54Speaker 2: He went up right here?
- 3:55Speaker 14: They don't know.
- 3:57Speaker 9: Okay, that's they said, this region.
- 3:59Speaker 4: They don't know exactly.
- 4:00Speaker 7: Okay, are you three all witnesses friends of one of
- 4:04Speaker 7: the victims there, all of them?
- 4:07Speaker 17: Okay, I just have a video at the dude.
- 4:10Speaker 7: Okay, you haven't see in person.
- 4:11Speaker 14: Happened though.
- 4:12Speaker 5: Okay, we were floating, we caught up to those that
- 4:16Speaker 5: group of kids, and the guy was wrassing them. I
- 4:19Speaker 5: wanted to stop the before.
- 4:21Speaker 2: I was worried they were.
- 4:21Speaker 14: Going to hurt that guy.
- 4:22Speaker 4: Okay, I was worried they were going to gang up
- 4:24Speaker 4: on him.
- 4:25Speaker 5: She went over there to try in a few that
- 4:27Speaker 5: he punched her, and then yeah, he just started sticking everyone,
- 4:32Speaker 5: and then the other group tried to stop him.
- 4:34Speaker 2: It and and what do you look like he was?
- 4:39Speaker 14: He was wearing a chain.
- 4:40Speaker 2: He like he was kind of bald.
- 4:43Speaker 18: Rock.
- 4:43Speaker 5: That's what do you look like? Scuba goggles?
- 4:47Speaker 2: Yes, clear goggles on.
- 4:49Speaker 10: Okay, Now that the officers have a clear description of
- 4:52Speaker 10: this man, all hands go on deck to find him immediately.
- 4:55Speaker 10: As such, officers send up multiple thermal drones and shut
- 4:59Speaker 10: down the area until his capture. The hunt is on
- 5:03Speaker 10: to find this ramped killer.
- 5:05Speaker 2: I'll turn her off to stop saying up here.
- 5:08Speaker 17: Hey, yeah, uh st roaming roaming perimeter on this road.
- 5:13Speaker 17: Thirty year old thirty year old white male, black shorts.
- 5:17Speaker 2: Do you have a picture? Not yet, I'm waiting on
- 5:20Speaker 2: the picture. White male about thirty years old. I went
- 5:22Speaker 2: down to the campground down here at the river. I know,
- 5:25Speaker 2: to fight all of them to get off the river.
- 5:28Speaker 5: We uh, I don't think we have a name.
- 5:30Speaker 2: I don't think we do yet either.
- 5:32Speaker 10: Just started roaming this However, it wouldn't take long to
- 5:35Speaker 10: find Nikolai, as a witness noticed him and threatened him
- 5:38Speaker 10: with a baseball bat to wait for officers.
- 5:42Speaker 11: Witness the male appears.
- 5:43Speaker 4: We were in a camel colored shirt.
- 5:47Speaker 19: Yeah, I'm sorry, Yeah, okay, yes, Nick, Nick?
- 6:04Speaker 4: What Nick?
- 6:05Speaker 3: Mut Yeah?
- 6:09Speaker 2: I think that's it. He's got a silver silver blockchain.
- 6:17Speaker 2: Like I said, there, you just he came to the point.
- 6:18Speaker 5: Okay, we'll play anything in the second.
- 6:20Speaker 7: Yea, there is the guy at the baseball bat was
- 6:28Speaker 7: just responding to the to the sighting.
- 6:32Speaker 12: Can.
- 6:32Speaker 2: He said about for a second, we just want to
- 6:35Speaker 2: check you out. Are you injured at all?
- 6:37Speaker 19: No other than my butt, They are injured in the screen.
- 6:40Speaker 2: Butts injured well from sliding all over the stones, all
- 6:43Speaker 2: the rocks, Yeah, and my hands.
- 6:49Speaker 10: Now that police have Nikolaie apprehended, they can bring him
- 6:52Speaker 10: to the station and begin investigating what happened. However, as
- 6:56Speaker 10: Nikolai is about to leave the lake, he says something
- 6:59Speaker 10: that would change this investigation completely.
- 7:02Speaker 4: Somebody I hear somebody got stebbed, and I get the description.
- 7:06Speaker 2: Yes you do, all right, yep, so we're working through that.
- 7:09Speaker 4: Now.
- 7:10Speaker 2: Did you see that fight on the river?
- 7:11Speaker 4: I heard about it.
- 7:12Speaker 7: You heard about it, yeah, And I've seen people gather around, okay,
- 7:16Speaker 7: all right, and I went over to talk.
- 7:18Speaker 4: To you see if somebody saw anything. But that's about it, okay.
- 7:22Speaker 4: Our whole group was pretty interested in finding out what happened.
- 7:26Speaker 2: Okay, and that's your whole group over there. Yeah, yeah, no, Ted,
- 7:31Speaker 2: did you see anybody injured?
- 7:33Speaker 20: No?
- 7:34Speaker 2: Did I see anybody injured?
- 7:35Speaker 6: Now?
- 7:35Speaker 2: Did you see somebody fighting?
- 7:37Speaker 7: I heard people screaming, and Chaddie, it's ol fit screaming
- 7:41Speaker 7: and anger or screaming in pained you know.
- 7:46Speaker 4: So I don't know.
- 7:47Speaker 16: I can't tell the difference, but I would say, I
- 7:50Speaker 16: don't know.
- 7:52Speaker 2: Just screaming, Okay, yeah, calling to each other names.
- 7:58Speaker 21: You know.
- 7:58Speaker 16: That's seeing that all day and we've all been drinking
- 8:03Speaker 16: a lot.
- 8:03Speaker 2: I'm sure they're not I'm sure they're.
- 8:07Speaker 4: Kids saying kids.
- 8:09Speaker 10: Not only does Nikolai completely deny that he was responsible
- 8:12Speaker 10: for the stabbings, but he pretends that no one even
- 8:15Speaker 10: got hurt. The video recordings from the stabbing clearly show
- 8:19Speaker 10: the attacker's face, as well as the chain Nikolai is
- 8:22Speaker 10: wearing right now, regardless of what happened during the altercation,
- 8:26Speaker 10: the facts that he feels the need to pretend to
- 8:29Speaker 10: be completely innocent will downplay any of his future statements. Regardless.
- 8:34Speaker 10: Nikolai will be transported to the Saint Croix Sheriff's office,
- 8:37Speaker 10: where he will undergo an intense interrogation. But for now,
- 8:42Speaker 10: police need to speak with witnesses on scene to try
- 8:44Speaker 10: and better understand the story from the point of view
- 8:47Speaker 10: of those who saw it directly.
- 8:49Speaker 2: Can you tell me I guess what you saw to
- 8:51Speaker 2: the best of your Recollee check.
- 8:52Speaker 21: When les got tip out four hundred yards and here
- 8:57Speaker 21: up there there was a great small job kids.
- 9:00Speaker 10: They looked like kids.
- 9:01Speaker 16: Come.
- 9:02Speaker 8: This guy was harassing them. We was they're pointing at him,
- 9:06Speaker 8: telling you to get away to the.
- 9:09Speaker 6: Boys ran away down a bottom er to let the
- 9:12Speaker 6: girls did.
- 9:13Speaker 21: They went over and tried to get him away from them,
- 9:16Speaker 21: and because she looked over and punched madicins in the past,
- 9:22Speaker 21: and then the other boy hit him back.
- 9:25Speaker 10: As soon as it frenched her.
- 9:27Speaker 9: The guy pulled out a knife and he just started
- 9:29Speaker 9: just dabbing people that were around him.
- 9:32Speaker 22: We were just chilling, and then we saw this older
- 9:36Speaker 22: guy start harassing these younger teenagers and we're the type
- 9:40Speaker 22: of people to not let that happen because they're young,
- 9:43Speaker 22: so we try to stop him, and he punched me
- 9:45Speaker 22: in the face and then went literally crazy because all
- 9:48Speaker 22: the guys started ttgging because he punched me in the face.
- 9:50Speaker 22: So he took out a knife and he just started
- 9:52Speaker 22: stabbing everybody, and that's what happened. Everybody was just it's
- 9:56Speaker 22: all because he punched me in the face. That's like
- 9:58Speaker 22: why anybody discussed the.
- 9:59Speaker 1: Sh if if you're thinking by that statement that it's
- 10:03Speaker 1: your fault, and most definitely is not.
- 10:05Speaker 11: Okay.
- 10:07Speaker 5: We were floating down the river, we came we caught
- 10:10Speaker 5: up to a group of kids sitting in their tubes
- 10:13Speaker 5: with an older guy standing over the kids. The kids
- 10:17Speaker 5: were high school. Games was part of that group, the
- 10:24Speaker 5: one that passed away. He was part of that other group,
- 10:27Speaker 5: and they were flagging us down, telling us, please help us.
- 10:29Speaker 5: This guy's he won't leave us alone. And at first
- 10:32Speaker 5: I thought they were joking. He's like, no, really, please
- 10:35Speaker 5: help us, help us. He's being very creepy. But that
- 10:38Speaker 5: group of gyms, I was worried that they were all
- 10:41Speaker 5: going to gang up on him and coping bat what's
- 10:43Speaker 5: gonna happen to the fifty two year old guy? I
- 10:47Speaker 5: was worried something's gonna happen to him. We just wanted
- 10:49Speaker 5: to shoot the guy away. I figured he'd go away
- 10:52Speaker 5: if he saw people intervening. Next next thing, I know,
- 10:56Speaker 5: as everyone's running at me. He stabbed me. He stabbed me,
- 10:59Speaker 5: you know. And I saw the guy get punched and
- 11:02Speaker 5: fall down and was sorry, well, let's okay, thoughts back, Okay.
- 11:07Speaker 5: I saw him flailing wildly, but I didn't really see
- 11:09Speaker 5: the stab and everyone and next thing and I have
- 11:14Speaker 5: I'm dying. I can't begreieve you got it, you know.
- 11:17Speaker 5: And I tried to get her in a tube so
- 11:18Speaker 5: we could plow her down and get her off, and
- 11:21Speaker 5: it was just hutter chaos from that point.
- 11:24Speaker 10: Based on what witnesses are seeing, Nikolay was inappropriately approaching
- 11:28Speaker 10: a group of miners in the lake, was noticed by
- 11:31Speaker 10: another group doing these things, and was confronted by the teens,
- 11:35Speaker 10: causing him to stab anyone who tried attacking him. But
- 11:38Speaker 10: this is only coming from the side of the victim's friends.
- 11:41Speaker 10: Nikolai's friends and family, on the other hand, would seem
- 11:43Speaker 10: to have a completely different recollection of what went down.
- 11:47Speaker 2: Whould you come with personally?
- 11:48Speaker 10: Just me and my husband.
- 11:49Speaker 3: Goes here and we met.
- 11:51Speaker 1: All of them over here, Okay, at any point in time, any.
- 11:55Speaker 2: Member of your group ever leave your group. First, my husband.
- 12:00Speaker 3: Ariyall lost his stone, okay, So he was trying to
- 12:04Speaker 3: find it and he had it in one of those
- 12:06Speaker 3: floating things, but he thought maybe water got in it,
- 12:08Speaker 3: so he put on He brought scoopa stuff with like
- 12:11Speaker 3: and he put that on and he was down in
- 12:13Speaker 3: the water looking for it.
- 12:14Speaker 2: Did you see him the whole time he was office tube?
- 12:16Speaker 20: Yes, I did.
- 12:18Speaker 2: Okay. What was he doing while he's office too?
- 12:20Speaker 5: He was, you know, looking ye.
- 12:23Speaker 3: And then this group of guys, I don't know how
- 12:27Speaker 3: many was on these tubes. So all of them get
- 12:30Speaker 3: off their tubes and they started hitting him.
- 12:34Speaker 2: Okay, all right. And what happened after.
- 12:36Speaker 3: That when I yelled and and then I just hurt screaming,
- 12:43Speaker 3: and Nick and these guys all came back. They were
- 12:45Speaker 3: on the other side, and they were on this side
- 12:47Speaker 3: of the river.
- 12:48Speaker 4: Ye.
- 12:49Speaker 3: All I heard is somebody got hurt. But I don't
- 12:51Speaker 3: know how. I don't I don't know anything about that.
- 12:54Speaker 3: I just heard someone was hurt.
- 12:56Speaker 2: Nick knowing to carry does he ever carry a weapon
- 12:58Speaker 2: with him?
- 12:59Speaker 3: He had a knife in his pocket, not a very
- 13:02Speaker 3: big one, and he said those guys grabbed it from him.
- 13:06Speaker 2: The people he was fighting with.
- 13:07Speaker 3: Yeah, they grabbed it, and he said they swung it
- 13:11Speaker 3: at him, and he grabbed their hand and moved it away. Okay,
- 13:14Speaker 3: and that's when they went. I didn't see it, That's.
- 13:17Speaker 13: What he told me.
- 13:19Speaker 3: And then they went to All they kept saying is
- 13:21Speaker 3: they called me up and they started hitting me, and he said,
- 13:24Speaker 3: all I did was try and look for this phone.
- 13:27Speaker 1: All right, Okay, well, yeah, there was a few people hurt. Well,
- 13:31Speaker 1: we got some stuff to work out.
- 13:33Speaker 2: Okay.
- 13:33Speaker 1: Obviously you with the group being Nick's wife or wife
- 13:38Speaker 1: and everybody else, you guys aren't gonna be able to
- 13:39Speaker 1: leave for a little bit, Okay, until we get the okay.
- 13:42Speaker 2: Because it was more than just am injury. It was
- 13:44Speaker 2: a pretty serious event that happened.
- 13:45Speaker 1: Otherwise you wouldn't see people showing up and tagged to
- 13:47Speaker 1: a green right, okay.
- 13:49Speaker 10: Nikolai's friends and wife claimed he was spontaneously attacked and
- 13:52Speaker 10: that Nick's knife was grabbed by the teens, and that
- 13:55Speaker 10: he was even threatened with the knife. The phone recording
- 13:58Speaker 10: shows Nikolai was ganged up six to one when initially confronted,
- 14:02Speaker 10: turning to thirteen people against one shortly after helping to
- 14:06Speaker 10: authenticate those claims. This complicated things for detectives. The side
- 14:11Speaker 10: against Nick claims he's a pedophile and went on a
- 14:14Speaker 10: rampage after being called out. The side with Nick claims
- 14:18Speaker 10: he was attacked by the teens and didn't see him
- 14:20Speaker 10: doing anything predatorial. It's clear based off the phone recording
- 14:24Speaker 10: that Nick did indeed commit the stabbings. However, his reasoning
- 14:28Speaker 10: is uncertain. If the detectives determined the teens unnecessarily attacked Nick,
- 14:32Speaker 10: then he could plead self defense and most likely win.
- 14:35Speaker 10: But if detectives can determine Nick acted erratically after being
- 14:39Speaker 10: exposed for approaching a group of miners, then self defense
- 14:43Speaker 10: is less plausible and he'd be facing murder charges. In
- 14:47Speaker 10: order to solve this mystery, detectives decide to conduct interviews
- 14:50Speaker 10: with every prominent witness that was at the scene the
- 14:53Speaker 10: day of the stabbings. However, as the case would unfold,
- 14:57Speaker 10: detectives would unravel disturbing secrets from both both parties, leading
- 15:01Speaker 10: to one of the most twisted conclusions in the history
- 15:05Speaker 10: of policing. Police began by talking to Ashley, who was
- 15:09Speaker 10: on the scene during the stabbings.
- 15:11Speaker 13: So, yeah, I'm just kind of trying to follow up
- 15:13Speaker 13: on the craziness that happened out there. How are you
- 15:17Speaker 13: doing pretty good? So you were out there with a
- 15:19Speaker 13: group of friends.
- 15:20Speaker 20: For the day, yes, and we were just going down
- 15:23Speaker 20: the river and then we saw this older man harassing
- 15:27Speaker 20: these teenage boys. So Maddie said, hey, get away, get
- 15:31Speaker 20: out of their faces, just move along, and all of
- 15:34Speaker 20: a sudden he punched her in the face. She went
- 15:37Speaker 20: down and I were slowly walking up there and then said, Dad,
- 15:41Speaker 20: I just got dabbed as a knife. He just stabbed me.
- 15:44Speaker 18: And then that's when I turned and.
- 15:45Speaker 20: Looked at guts were all over. He was holding onto them.
- 15:50Speaker 20: And then that's when he was like, go call NM
- 15:52Speaker 20: on one and I was trying to get back. Just
- 15:54Speaker 20: started calling everyone and not killing everyone to get out
- 15:58Speaker 20: of the river and everything like that.
- 15:59Speaker 4: Everything.
- 16:01Speaker 13: Yeah, so he was harassing them. And then you said
- 16:04Speaker 13: he was messing with their tubes.
- 16:06Speaker 20: Yeah, he was trying to like pull apart their tubes.
- 16:09Speaker 13: And that was the first contact you had with that
- 16:10Speaker 13: other group. Yes, so then you know, you asked that
- 16:14Speaker 13: other group if they need help, and they said that
- 16:16Speaker 13: you know, he was harassing them, messing with their tubes.
- 16:18Speaker 13: And then what happened.
- 16:19Speaker 20: Next, that's when Maddie went up to the group. Maddie
- 16:25Speaker 20: went up to the old guy, said, hey, get out
- 16:27Speaker 20: of here. You know, stat messing with these boys. They're
- 16:29Speaker 20: only teenagers. Like, I don't know what started him off
- 16:33Speaker 20: to wanting to punch her in the face. But that's
- 16:37Speaker 20: when when he punched her in the face, she slipped
- 16:41Speaker 20: fell in the water. That's when everybody surrounded him, saying,
- 16:44Speaker 20: don't hit a woman, just get out of here, and
- 16:46Speaker 20: everything like that. That's when I'm slowly walking towards Maddie
- 16:49Speaker 20: to see if she was okay, okay, and everything like that.
- 16:52Speaker 10: Ashley's story doesn't quite line up with the other witnesses
- 16:55Speaker 10: claims or the speculation that nik Lai was doing anything
- 16:58Speaker 10: that could classify him as a pedophile. She claims he
- 17:01Speaker 10: was harassing a group of male scenes and when Maddie
- 17:04Speaker 10: approached him to stop, she was punched in the face.
- 17:08Speaker 10: This is what caused the group to confront and push Nikolai,
- 17:12Speaker 10: not because of the predatorial theories. Regardless, punching Maddie for
- 17:16Speaker 10: what seems like no reason at all is not only
- 17:19Speaker 10: assault of a minor, but degrading to any defense. Nikolai
- 17:22Speaker 10: could make a trial. Next detective speak to Emma, who
- 17:25Speaker 10: shared the gruesome and horrifying details of watching the stabbings
- 17:29Speaker 10: happen in real time.
- 17:31Speaker 23: If you want, Hey, it was a damn I'll never
- 17:38Speaker 23: ever forget, honestly, And so we had our music playing
- 17:42Speaker 23: and we hear arguing, so you know, we're not paying
- 17:44Speaker 23: attention to it.
- 17:45Speaker 4: Exist we can't come there for that.
- 17:47Speaker 9: And so we turn around and that's who my brother
- 17:49Speaker 9: larry On he was like, sus, sus, you're seeing this,
- 17:54Speaker 9: seeing this, And then that's when we all get off
- 17:56Speaker 9: of the raft and when we stop it because the
- 17:58Speaker 9: current was pulling us. And then that's when I see
- 18:00Speaker 9: a guy just step some poor boy in the stomach
- 18:04Speaker 9: and go straight down. And then that's when I saw
- 18:07Speaker 9: him trying to put his intestines back in his stomach.
- 18:10Speaker 18: He was trying to still processing what was happening.
- 18:13Speaker 9: Everybody was screaming around the people who were trying to
- 18:16Speaker 9: grab the.
- 18:17Speaker 18: Knife from the man. It was like a lady and
- 18:19Speaker 18: three other maybe.
- 18:20Speaker 9: Teens, she was and she floated down the river that
- 18:24Speaker 9: so she floated to us and we put her on
- 18:26Speaker 9: our raft and were holding her consigns in because she
- 18:29Speaker 9: was still just bleeding out and crying. And so then
- 18:32Speaker 9: that's when I got my phone off the plaster back
- 18:34Speaker 9: and called the police and it's like, dang, how are
- 18:36Speaker 9: we going to stop this?
- 18:37Speaker 18: But then other people rushed to go help him.
- 18:40Speaker 9: The guy who had his intestines out, and another person
- 18:43Speaker 9: was trying to grab the knife from the guy, but
- 18:45Speaker 9: still two other people got stepped. After that, well, as
- 18:48Speaker 9: we got to the grass area and we were helping
- 18:49Speaker 9: the girl, we were keeping her calm. I was on
- 18:51Speaker 9: the phone with the.
- 18:52Speaker 18: Police at that time, trying to give.
- 18:54Speaker 4: Them the location of where we were on the river.
- 18:57Speaker 9: The owner of Apple River and his the.
- 19:01Speaker 18: Workers, the people who worked at the river, they.
- 19:03Speaker 9: Were coming down and trying to climb down from the
- 19:06Speaker 9: area and asking us what was happening, and we told
- 19:10Speaker 9: him what we saw and the weapon that we saw.
- 19:12Speaker 18: There too, and even fairly quickly or I don't think he.
- 19:15Speaker 9: Was running, but you know, with all the commotion, we
- 19:18Speaker 9: were more concerned about all the blood in the water
- 19:20Speaker 9: and testines floating and other people who were severely bleeding,
- 19:24Speaker 9: and so at that point it was really just let's
- 19:26Speaker 9: hope the people who were hurt, instead of going to
- 19:28Speaker 9: chase after the guy.
- 19:30Speaker 4: At what point did you see a knife?
- 19:32Speaker 10: Was there already chaos and people that we were injured.
- 19:34Speaker 9: I saw the knife, well, yeah, I saw the knife
- 19:36Speaker 9: with dulsy was put into the male's body.
- 19:40Speaker 4: He went in and went down, and.
- 19:43Speaker 9: Then that's when the intestines fell out, he pulled the
- 19:45Speaker 9: knife out. I saw people trying to swing and grab
- 19:48Speaker 9: the knife or to stop him, and that's when he
- 19:50Speaker 9: just went and stopped.
- 19:51Speaker 18: Everybody who came out.
- 19:53Speaker 4: He was just fucking people. And so the first meal
- 19:56Speaker 4: that used saw injured was one with the stomach victory.
- 19:59Speaker 9: Yes, yup, he did walk up first, and I he
- 20:02Speaker 9: must've saw the knife first, cause he did walk up
- 20:04Speaker 9: to the little hospital. But I understand if you did
- 20:06Speaker 9: see a knife and you're coming out grey with teenagers,
- 20:09Speaker 9: I do understand that.
- 20:10Speaker 10: Did you see the other coup people wanted?
- 20:13Speaker 9: I mean, like, did you see the physical action that
- 20:15Speaker 9: the older mail did two and the other people?
- 20:18Speaker 18: Uh, three of them.
- 20:19Speaker 2: Life, he was three of 'em.
- 20:21Speaker 4: Three of 'em.
- 20:21Speaker 18: I did see.
- 20:22Speaker 9: Those were all the people who tried to stop. Put
- 20:24Speaker 9: his hands out, don't do this, and he just got
- 20:28Speaker 9: just stab everybody who's in his way.
- 20:30Speaker 23: Can you describe when the other people were scamped a
- 20:33Speaker 23: little bit more?
- 20:34Speaker 2: He anymore?
- 20:35Speaker 4: He failed that on that first it.
- 20:39Speaker 9: I did see the other guy swing, So the one
- 20:41Speaker 9: who was not as injured, he did like sort of
- 20:43Speaker 9: swing at him.
- 20:44Speaker 18: But that is when he missed. You didn't hit him,
- 20:47Speaker 18: and the guy.
- 20:48Speaker 4: Did come around, and and.
- 20:50Speaker 18: Then same for the girl. She like came up and
- 20:52Speaker 18: like tried to push him.
- 20:53Speaker 9: But wasn't successful, didn't have enough reach, and he went
- 20:57Speaker 9: right for her side right he first in one of
- 20:59Speaker 9: these sides on the side right here, and stabbed her
- 21:01Speaker 9: in the stomach, and she was trying to walk away,
- 21:05Speaker 9: and then she just.
- 21:06Speaker 18: Dropped in the wire and.
- 21:09Speaker 4: Too.
- 21:10Speaker 10: Based on both Ashley and Emma's story, Nikolai is painted
- 21:13Speaker 10: as a cold blooded killer who went on a rampage
- 21:16Speaker 10: after being confronted and stabbed anyone he could reach, But
- 21:20Speaker 10: it seems Emma might have a bias in her retelling
- 21:23Speaker 10: of events. She recounts any attacks on Nikolai in an
- 21:26Speaker 10: almost defeated way, as if she's ashamed to admit the
- 21:29Speaker 10: story was rather double edged at times. The teens were,
- 21:33Speaker 10: without a doubt wrong to some degree. It was unnecessary
- 21:37Speaker 10: to gang up on Nikolai so heavily and attack him
- 21:39Speaker 10: helplessly while he fell to the ground, But was this
- 21:43Speaker 10: enough reason to stab five people in self defense? The
- 21:46Speaker 10: detectives will need to find more evidence to accurately figure
- 21:49Speaker 10: this out. So with this in mind, detectives take a
- 21:52Speaker 10: different approach and interview a Manda, Nikolai's co worker who
- 21:56Speaker 10: went to the Apple River alongside the same group as Nikolai.
- 22:00Speaker 2: I'll just start, it's my understanding that you were co
- 22:03Speaker 2: workers with Nick.
- 22:04Speaker 18: Yes, he works in the other building.
- 22:06Speaker 4: Okay, And how long did you know Nick?
- 22:09Speaker 6: Well, you started hanging out probably when his wife retired.
- 22:14Speaker 1: Okay, So when you still work here, Sondra or Sandy Sandy, Yeah,
- 22:18Speaker 1: she was.
- 22:18Speaker 6: A supervisor in the other building.
- 22:21Speaker 11: I'll see three years.
- 22:22Speaker 18: Three years is when you kind of started normally hanging out.
- 22:26Speaker 6: And yeah, as the co workers come over, she didn't
- 22:29Speaker 6: invite the co workers over. And everybody's friends with him,
- 22:33Speaker 6: and everybody everybody's shocked.
- 22:36Speaker 2: Right, So about and your friendship with him? What what
- 22:39Speaker 2: do you know about him?
- 22:40Speaker 1: He just kind of describing what do you know about him?
- 22:43Speaker 1: His story, where he came from, his history, where it's
- 22:45Speaker 1: like came from Romania.
- 22:48Speaker 6: He's just an outdoorsman, likes fish and fishing and just
- 22:54Speaker 6: being outside and quiet, just.
- 22:57Speaker 11: Calm, doesn't like a lot of noise and chaos. And
- 23:02Speaker 11: but yeah, he's just a very calm carrying guy who would.
- 23:08Speaker 6: Help whenever we needed help with something. That would break down,
- 23:11Speaker 6: he'd come over and to fix it or help or
- 23:15Speaker 6: not still fix something and just always helping out, always
- 23:19Speaker 6: helping people.
- 23:21Speaker 2: Can Kay just describe the day from there?
- 23:25Speaker 6: Yeah, we just got there and we got everybody together
- 23:28Speaker 6: and one got our stuff and we started setting.
- 23:32Speaker 2: Up the tubes.
- 23:34Speaker 11: And he just got in and started going.
- 23:37Speaker 18: And then Sandy.
- 23:39Speaker 6: Kind of looked and said, Nix, Nicks in trouble, Mix
- 23:43Speaker 6: in trouble.
- 23:44Speaker 11: And I was still sitting and like, Nicks and truckle,
- 23:46Speaker 11: somebody help him, somebody help.
- 23:48Speaker 6: And then I got up. I'm looking. I never saw
- 23:52Speaker 6: Nick down there. I never saw any of our group
- 23:56Speaker 6: down there, and I never saw Nick down there, and
- 23:59Speaker 6: I'm just looking. I just see people just going every
- 24:01Speaker 6: which way. I didn't see any blood or anything, and
- 24:06Speaker 6: I just I'm like, what's going on? This is a
- 24:08Speaker 6: big fight going on. And then I was handed a phone.
- 24:12Speaker 6: I think Tatiana called the police that she had to
- 24:14Speaker 6: me the phone, and I'm like, there's something going on.
- 24:17Speaker 6: We're at the Apple River floating and there's something happened
- 24:19Speaker 6: with a fight. There's I don't know what's going on.
- 24:21Speaker 11: And I even repeating myself, and then she hung up.
- 24:26Speaker 6: After that, Nick came back and I just looked up
- 24:30Speaker 6: and I'm like, what happened. He's like, they called me
- 24:34Speaker 6: a file, they took my snorkel, they attacked me. They
- 24:37Speaker 6: threw me on the ground and were attacking me. And
- 24:42Speaker 6: I'm like, I thought there was some kind of fight
- 24:46Speaker 6: going on and maybe he kind of bumped into them.
- 24:49Speaker 2: I did see the.
- 24:50Speaker 6: Kid on the on the side. I thought maybe he
- 24:53Speaker 6: knocked his head or maybe got water in him. I
- 24:56Speaker 6: didn't know anything about a stabbing or anything at that time.
- 25:00Speaker 6: He just he looked like kind of stunned and shocked,
- 25:04Speaker 6: and then I think he sat down. He didn't say
- 25:07Speaker 6: another word. He didn't say nothing, and everybody's just like
- 25:10Speaker 6: looking around. I see the police. The police are here,
- 25:14Speaker 6: so let's just wait and see. Maybe they want to
- 25:16Speaker 6: talk to Nick, because he was part of the thing.
- 25:20Speaker 6: If I knew, if I knew then what I know now,
- 25:26Speaker 6: we would not have gotten down that river. I would
- 25:29Speaker 6: have been like, something happened, You've gotta go. If I
- 25:34Speaker 6: saw something, really, if I thought that he did somewhere
- 25:38Speaker 6: I saw it, I'd be like, what do you You
- 25:40Speaker 6: gotta go? You gotta And I thought he would.
- 25:43Speaker 12: Even like stop and say, hey, something happened.
- 25:47Speaker 6: I have to go.
- 25:48Speaker 12: I would think he would have said something like that,
- 25:51Speaker 12: and and we're all there, and it's it's terrible for
- 25:57Speaker 12: us because now we're getting all this ryep.
- 26:03Speaker 6: People only got a phone call this morning and there
- 26:06Speaker 6: was nobody on the line the time.
- 26:10Speaker 12: We're all scared.
- 26:11Speaker 10: This is an important interview for detectives. Someone from Nikolai's
- 26:15Speaker 10: group shocked and disgusted by his actions that day. Not
- 26:19Speaker 10: only has everyone who witnessed the scene that day painted
- 26:22Speaker 10: him out to be a monster, but his own coworker
- 26:25Speaker 10: has too. Police now have a mountain of evidence against Nikolai,
- 26:29Speaker 10: but decide to talk to you one final person, larry On,
- 26:32Speaker 10: who reveals what actually happened leading up to the stabbing.
- 26:36Speaker 8: Is there anything else you can think of about you
- 26:40Speaker 8: know what you saw? Like you know some things that
- 26:42Speaker 8: would be important to us, is like you know, like
- 26:45Speaker 8: if you saw who pushed the guy, if you saw
- 26:48Speaker 8: anyone else with the knife, if you saw anything like that.
- 26:52Speaker 14: Well, one of the boys we've gotta he was telling
- 26:56Speaker 14: us that he came up to them and asked them
- 27:00Speaker 14: for like pictures, like explicit pictures, and and I'm like
- 27:06Speaker 14: I'm like, what, dune, y'all got the fighting. I guess
- 27:09Speaker 14: they got the fight, and he said, yeah, he got
- 27:11Speaker 14: the stab in it.
- 27:12Speaker 8: So and he asked him for or this is one
- 27:15Speaker 8: of the guy who's got actually got stabbed here.
- 27:17Speaker 14: Okay, yeah, he guessed that, he said, that's why. That's
- 27:20Speaker 14: what happened. The dude was asking him for explicit pictures
- 27:23Speaker 14: of the girls.
- 27:23Speaker 2: That they was with.
- 27:25Speaker 14: So I guess from there he's like, oh, what you doing.
- 27:30Speaker 14: They got into altercation. They must have put their hands
- 27:33Speaker 14: on him, and then he retaliated. It is by slashing on.
- 27:37Speaker 10: This claim backs up why he was being called a
- 27:40Speaker 10: file on the phone recording. If this is true, then
- 27:43Speaker 10: the story makes a whole lot more sense. Nikolai approached
- 27:46Speaker 10: the females asking for explicit photos. The females, being mostly underage, declined,
- 27:52Speaker 10: and Maddy confronted Nickolai on the matter, potentially putting her
- 27:55Speaker 10: hands on him in the process. That's when he punched
- 27:57Speaker 10: Maddie in the face, and all hell broke loose. A
- 28:00Speaker 10: man then punched Nikolai, knocking him down, prompting him to
- 28:03Speaker 10: stab anyone who tried to approach him again. A common
- 28:06Speaker 10: opinion stated in unrecorded interviews, was that Nikolai allegedly thought
- 28:10Speaker 10: the teens on the tubes stole his missing phone, which
- 28:13Speaker 10: prompted him to attack the teens. This is largely confirmed
- 28:17Speaker 10: in the phone recording as well, as we can see
- 28:19Speaker 10: Nicolai searching around the area and pushing the group's tubes around.
- 28:22Speaker 10: Detectives would go on to interview countless more witnesses, all
- 28:25Speaker 10: with the same general story. Nikolai harassed the group of
- 28:28Speaker 10: teens and when confronted, went on a cold blooded rampage.
- 28:32Speaker 10: But still people lie. Those who were friends with anyone
- 28:36Speaker 10: injured at the scene would obviously remain biased towards the
- 28:39Speaker 10: site against Nikolai and could keep out any information that
- 28:42Speaker 10: didn't get caught on the phone recording. So with that,
- 28:45Speaker 10: they sit Nikolai himself down and prepare to confront Nikolai
- 28:49Speaker 10: on the piles of evidence they breaked up against him
- 28:51Speaker 10: and determine whether or not all of these stories are true.
- 28:55Speaker 18: And I understand, Yeah, I did talk to her. I
- 29:01Speaker 18: talked her for quite a while. I brought her to
- 29:03Speaker 18: get in the dry clothes.
- 29:05Speaker 9: Uh where she he is with an atone hay Piggy
- 29:10Speaker 9: my bobby uh So you headed home.
- 29:12Speaker 18: To take care of the dog. So I would like
- 29:14Speaker 18: to ask questions about your day today. What happened?
- 29:17Speaker 16: Uh?
- 29:17Speaker 18: You know, like how do you how you got to
- 29:19Speaker 18: be on the Apple River today? And then like what
- 29:21Speaker 18: your day was like?
- 29:22Speaker 16: Oh, I can't say it was a mean Uh it
- 29:25Speaker 16: was Shout Defense. Stout Defense. Are a lot of people
- 29:28Speaker 16: on on that came on to me Stout Defense. When
- 29:31Speaker 16: they produced two weapons, wanted it took from them.
- 29:33Speaker 10: This would be the start of Nikolai's string of lies.
- 29:36Speaker 10: During this interview, Nikolay did bring the knife he used
- 29:39Speaker 10: to stab the victims. He brought it specifically so he
- 29:42Speaker 10: could cut rope while on the river. After the stabbings,
- 29:45Speaker 10: Nikolay threw the knife into the river, which was later retrieved.
- 29:49Speaker 4: That's the only thing I can't do.
- 29:50Speaker 16: And they were they hit me, and they were on
- 29:53Speaker 16: top of me, and that I don't remember anything up today.
- 29:57Speaker 4: I just remember I ran away. I ran away to
- 29:59Speaker 4: my to my UH group.
- 30:01Speaker 16: There were actually people coming over from my group to
- 30:03Speaker 16: see what was going on. I said nothing, nothing, nothing
- 30:06Speaker 16: to just get back and and and they kept fashion
- 30:09Speaker 16: and I said nothing nothing. I didn't explain to them
- 30:11Speaker 16: anything because I was I was. I was so fearful.
- 30:15Speaker 16: I didn't know what these people were be doing to us.
- 30:17Speaker 16: I've never been in a situation like this or people
- 30:20Speaker 16: produce weapons on And they were saying, they were uh calling,
- 30:27Speaker 16: don't I I don't remember, but they said, don't run over,
- 30:31Speaker 16: don't don't run from us, don't do this. Uh, you're
- 30:33Speaker 16: a till you were this h yes it even drunk
- 30:39Speaker 16: or you're it said.
- 30:40Speaker 4: The only thing I remember in my mind is if
- 30:43Speaker 4: I'm a, should you be drinking?
- 30:46Speaker 16: Should you be drinking alcohol and and doing what you're
- 30:49Speaker 16: doing to people that you don't even know, attacking them.
- 30:53Speaker 4: And I said, if if I'm a, you should be
- 30:58Speaker 4: having alcohol, you know?
- 31:00Speaker 16: And and they took my Uh, I was snorkeling, so
- 31:03Speaker 16: they took my snorkel away, They threw it in the water.
- 31:06Speaker 16: They grabbed my pants. One wanted to put my pants down,
- 31:09Speaker 16: and I grabbed onto him. And I don't know who
- 31:11Speaker 16: that kid was, but he produced.
- 31:15Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 31:16Speaker 16: I I on him and then there was another knife
- 31:18Speaker 16: for a longer and I, uh looked like a kitchen knife.
- 31:21Speaker 10: This is true. There was in fact an additional knife
- 31:24Speaker 10: at the scene. It's unclear if that knife was pulled
- 31:26Speaker 10: out at any point during the altercation, but at no
- 31:29Speaker 10: point was the knife used to stab anyone.
- 31:31Speaker 4: And I don't know why I happen to eat one
- 31:32Speaker 4: of 'em.
- 31:32Speaker 16: I just know that I I when when when the
- 31:35Speaker 16: kid attacked me, I took.
- 31:36Speaker 4: That from him, the kitchen knife for the other No,
- 31:39Speaker 4: the uh smaller than that?
- 31:40Speaker 18: Okay, what did that knife look like? Do you remember
- 31:43Speaker 18: what a smaller?
- 31:44Speaker 4: Smaller? Yeah? So that's all.
- 31:49Speaker 18: Why did you get the d by them? Who are people?
- 31:51Speaker 21: So?
- 31:52Speaker 4: Uh? I ever lost his phone?
- 31:53Speaker 20: Okay?
- 31:54Speaker 18: Phone was in the floor, one of those things.
- 31:56Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, yeah, everyone had one. But his phone was
- 31:59Speaker 16: in the floor. So he said, well, let's go look
- 32:01Speaker 16: for it. So I put put my snorkel on and
- 32:04Speaker 16: I okay, and this guy's thought something and they were
- 32:06Speaker 16: talking about it.
- 32:07Speaker 4: And then I said okay. I went over and I said,
- 32:11Speaker 4: did you guys find the pome? And if you did,
- 32:14Speaker 4: can I see it? Can I identify it? And they
- 32:16Speaker 4: started calling me names. They got off of there tubes,
- 32:19Speaker 4: they came at me.
- 32:20Speaker 16: I said, wet I meet and they were calling me
- 32:23Speaker 16: all kinds of names. He's talking me for being in
- 32:27Speaker 16: the water with a snortug and I said, all I
- 32:30Speaker 16: want guys, did you find the phone?
- 32:33Speaker 4: And I thought they had they had palm counting.
- 32:36Speaker 10: It seems rather ridiculous that Nick would be called such
- 32:39Speaker 10: specific things if he confronted them as kindly as he
- 32:42Speaker 10: says he did. It's very clear he's leaving something out
- 32:45Speaker 10: of his story. Keep in mind, at this point, Nick
- 32:47Speaker 10: has no idea the entire altercation was recorded, so he
- 32:51Speaker 10: likely thinks these stories, being completely innocent, seemed plausible.
- 32:55Speaker 4: And we're looking this or did you find this phone?
- 32:57Speaker 4: And I know somebody found.
- 32:58Speaker 16: It, but I thought it was guy group. They they
- 33:01Speaker 16: came to me and they they grabbed my snow boat
- 33:03Speaker 16: and they threw it in the water. Well, the water
- 33:05Speaker 16: was so fast they went under, so I went out
- 33:08Speaker 16: after and they started.
- 33:09Speaker 23: Uh.
- 33:10Speaker 4: Another group of mostly girls came over from from the.
- 33:13Speaker 16: Other side, yelling at me or calling me there and
- 33:17Speaker 16: something like that, and I I I went back. I
- 33:20Speaker 16: went I actually after addition, in event, I didn't even
- 33:23Speaker 16: I didn't don't.
- 33:24Speaker 4: Even even know what happened.
- 33:25Speaker 10: Again, another flat out line. The phone recording clearly shows
- 33:29Speaker 10: Nick was the initial aggressor when he started pushing the
- 33:32Speaker 10: teens off their tubes.
- 33:33Speaker 4: I didn't know that they they attacked me and I
- 33:35Speaker 4: had I wasn't sell.
- 33:37Speaker 16: I went into cell defense more and then I went
- 33:39Speaker 16: over to my my group of people.
- 33:41Speaker 4: That was the thing.
- 33:42Speaker 16: They asked me what happened, and I wouldn't tell them.
- 33:44Speaker 16: I said, I can't tell you, and then he calmed down.
- 33:49Speaker 16: I was I was shocked. From nobody on that knew
- 33:52Speaker 16: exactly what happened.
- 33:53Speaker 4: The only thing they.
- 33:54Speaker 16: Say said, well, you know if somebody got in a nightmare,
- 33:58Speaker 16: when they're like yeah, they's just they just be that alone.
- 34:03Speaker 4: Don't go there. And I said, did you guys find something?
- 34:07Speaker 16: And I thought they did it, and I know they
- 34:10Speaker 16: did because they're hiding something from me. And then I
- 34:13Speaker 16: went over there and to grabbed my smoke because they
- 34:15Speaker 16: threw it down and they started there.
- 34:17Speaker 4: They got off there there too.
- 34:19Speaker 16: They came off to me, they pushed me, one of
- 34:21Speaker 16: them hit me, and then there was a girl that
- 34:23Speaker 16: came from here and hit me in the back of
- 34:25Speaker 16: my head and I was about right there.
- 34:29Speaker 4: Right here when she hit me.
- 34:30Speaker 18: Yeah, and that's when the female hit you.
- 34:33Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean I cared for my life, was the truth.
- 34:37Speaker 16: When they started hitting me and burther and pointed a
- 34:41Speaker 16: knight at me, and then another kid pointed, and I
- 34:43Speaker 16: thought that was it for me. Bluckily, I took it
- 34:46Speaker 16: from from the one of the young kids, and I
- 34:50Speaker 16: think that's.
- 34:50Speaker 4: When I slung back.
- 34:51Speaker 18: What did you do with it?
- 34:53Speaker 4: I don't even know. I don't know, absolutely, I don't know.
- 34:56Speaker 10: Nikolain's defense becomes extremely hard to believe when he constantly
- 35:00Speaker 10: is about the incident again. The knife used was his.
- 35:03Speaker 10: He did not take it from anyone. He pulled it
- 35:05Speaker 10: from his own pocket and used it to stab five people.
- 35:08Speaker 10: He threw it into the lake in the hopes he
- 35:10Speaker 10: could cover the incident up completely. Proof of this is
- 35:13Speaker 10: in his talks with police while being arrested, where he
- 35:16Speaker 10: pretended he wasn't even near the scene of the crime.
- 35:18Speaker 16: I don't know if you got it back, absolutely didn't,
- 35:20Speaker 16: no idea.
- 35:21Speaker 18: Did you hit him like it? Did a knife make
- 35:23Speaker 18: contact with him?
- 35:24Speaker 16: That? I remember you were so gross And one had
- 35:27Speaker 16: it in his hand, So I took his hand, and
- 35:29Speaker 16: I begged, and I poked him with his own hand,
- 35:33Speaker 16: and then I took it from his hand, and then
- 35:35Speaker 16: I went in twenty it like this.
- 35:37Speaker 4: So I don't know what hit I.
- 35:39Speaker 16: Just I just know that I took the knife from
- 35:42Speaker 16: from one of the kids the other one.
- 35:44Speaker 4: I don't know what happened. Dude, I didn't get it.
- 35:48Speaker 18: Did you have a knife?
- 35:49Speaker 22: No?
- 35:49Speaker 18: No, absolutely, but you had a lippy pig?
- 35:53Speaker 4: Right?
- 35:54Speaker 18: What a knife?
- 35:55Speaker 4: Because I did it in my car?
- 35:57Speaker 18: Okay?
- 35:58Speaker 4: Yeah? Did you driver?
- 36:00Speaker 22: Baby?
- 36:00Speaker 20: Right?
- 36:00Speaker 4: I did?
- 36:00Speaker 2: Okay?
- 36:01Speaker 4: Yeah? Good.
- 36:04Speaker 16: I I don't even know, uh where it's at that
- 36:06Speaker 16: of the truth. Uh, it may be in one of
- 36:08Speaker 16: the bags we had with us and they have been
- 36:11Speaker 16: in in I I don't know if maybe I left
- 36:14Speaker 16: it put it back in the park cause I went
- 36:16Speaker 16: back with a bunch of I had re uh uh stretch.
- 36:20Speaker 4: I didn't wanna pay for string, but they say strange.
- 36:22Speaker 18: You see, and well I do you they if I
- 36:24Speaker 18: don't want you have strap?
- 36:25Speaker 16: Well they told me yeah, ye they said theyre gs straps.
- 36:27Speaker 16: There was a kid, but they gf straps. No problem,
- 36:29Speaker 16: but the the the string is free. So I said, okay,
- 36:31Speaker 16: I'll take the sting okay, And then I took the
- 36:33Speaker 16: straps back so the straps can punt you the Yeah.
- 36:38Speaker 16: So I took I had a whole bag of the
- 36:40Speaker 16: stretch that it took back.
- 36:41Speaker 18: To my carse okay, and so maybe the knife was
- 36:43Speaker 18: the the strap?
- 36:45Speaker 4: Uh probably did.
- 36:50Speaker 18: Do you have any clucks or marks from you? Have
- 36:53Speaker 18: you had a chance to like look at your porshole
- 36:55Speaker 18: or uh?
- 36:56Speaker 4: Uh? Somebody was telling me that I'm leading from my
- 36:58Speaker 4: year for my left year.
- 36:59Speaker 18: Who told you that?
- 37:01Speaker 4: Oh? I think there was Amy, You're bleeding from your
- 37:05Speaker 4: left ear. I'm on a fifth, I'm one in the water.
- 37:08Speaker 16: I clean, I don't see any but I really I
- 37:12Speaker 16: don't know if you've seen any cuts, but I don't.
- 37:15Speaker 4: I don't know whether where I was bleeding from my ear.
- 37:18Speaker 10: This is a smart tactic used by the detective. By
- 37:20Speaker 10: getting Nick to confirm he had no injuries, the prosecution
- 37:24Speaker 10: can use this as evidence to rule out self defense.
- 37:27Speaker 10: Nick claims Amy told him his ear was bleeding, but
- 37:30Speaker 10: says himself that he didn't notice any blood. In addition,
- 37:33Speaker 10: it takes him seconds to recall who told him his
- 37:35Speaker 10: ear was bleeding, meaning he could have just made the
- 37:38Speaker 10: scenario up altogether.
- 37:43Speaker 16: But I think he says, you're bleeding from your ear name,
- 37:51Speaker 16: And then I cleaned, and I said, look, there is nothing.
- 37:55Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, yeah.
- 37:57Speaker 16: Guy know I do his blood were to do is me.
- 38:00Speaker 16: She saw I have an idea. We were like, she
- 38:04Speaker 16: was on the other's guide and I was just.
- 38:07Speaker 4: Over here, over here yet right yet?
- 38:09Speaker 18: Oh yeah, sure, yeah, okay with.
- 38:13Speaker 4: Their net yea. And I was, oh yeah, somewhere in
- 38:17Speaker 4: one of these okay.
- 38:19Speaker 18: And you got back on that too, then I ava Okay.
- 38:23Speaker 10: Notice how Nick feels the need to provide a detailed
- 38:26Speaker 10: description on this claim from Amy, but not for anything else.
- 38:29Speaker 10: This is a common defense mechanism used by someone lying
- 38:32Speaker 10: and they feel as though their claims aren't being taken
- 38:34Speaker 10: as truth. They try and depicts the scenario in as
- 38:37Speaker 10: much detail as possible to make it seem more authentic.
- 38:40Speaker 18: Okay, So you took the.
- 38:41Speaker 4: Smaller knife from one of them.
- 38:43Speaker 18: And that's the one that you said that you kind
- 38:45Speaker 18: of went.
- 38:45Speaker 4: Yees, oh, I was, I was. I was going like this,
- 38:48Speaker 4: I wanted I wanted out.
- 38:49Speaker 16: You're cutting and they were punching me and they were.
- 38:52Speaker 4: Sturdling me, and they came really going.
- 38:55Speaker 16: They were pushing me in the water. I didn't even
- 38:56Speaker 16: know if I was poling you, right, I just grabbed
- 38:58Speaker 16: it from you because he tried to poke me with it.
- 39:01Speaker 16: I feared for my life.
- 39:02Speaker 18: Something I was very shocked.
- 39:04Speaker 4: I was extremely shocked.
- 39:06Speaker 20: Is it you?
- 39:08Speaker 4: Yes?
- 39:08Speaker 18: What do you think was happening at that time?
- 39:10Speaker 2: You were doing?
- 39:11Speaker 4: Of fighting me? They they pointed the knife at me.
- 39:13Speaker 4: They pointed the knife at me.
- 39:15Speaker 10: Nick thinks this photo will actually help his case, but
- 39:17Speaker 10: he's in for a rude awakening.
- 39:19Speaker 18: Did you see anyone take the stitchure of you?
- 39:21Speaker 22: No?
- 39:21Speaker 4: God, No, I was. I was actually very very any
- 39:24Speaker 4: uh scared. I was very scared. I didn't know what
- 39:28Speaker 4: to think. I didn't know what they were doing and why.
- 39:30Speaker 16: I mean, I understand they were drunk, but you get drunk,
- 39:34Speaker 16: d drunk, We all get drunk. We don't do that
- 39:36Speaker 16: kind of stuff, especially on a family. We really family out.
- 39:40Speaker 4: We don't do that kind of stuff. No, very you see,
- 39:43Speaker 4: I was very very scared. I didn't know what was
- 39:46Speaker 4: gonna happen next. So why happened? And you generally want
- 39:50Speaker 4: to happen?
- 39:52Speaker 18: Yeah, four people went to the hospital with injury.
- 40:00Speaker 4: Oh my god.
- 40:00Speaker 10: And not a very remorseful reaction for someone who's just
- 40:07Speaker 10: learned he killed someone and injured for others. It's almost
- 40:10Speaker 10: like he fully knew that he critically injured multiple people.
- 40:14Speaker 18: I don't know any of their names, and I don't
- 40:16Speaker 18: know any genders.
- 40:17Speaker 4: But I don't know. Is that because they fought each
- 40:19Speaker 4: other or is that I don't know.
- 40:21Speaker 18: I don't know what their injuries are. I I just
- 40:23Speaker 18: I was with Sandy the whole time, and then when
- 40:25Speaker 18: I kind of turned Sandy over to or aphilin Amy,
- 40:28Speaker 18: then I came here. So I I have no idea
- 40:30Speaker 18: what their injuries were.
- 40:31Speaker 16: Oh my god, what other pictures do they give you
- 40:43Speaker 16: or me?
- 40:44Speaker 21: Just that one?
- 40:45Speaker 18: That's the only one I have now my whole way.
- 40:48Speaker 4: The Dondle twos, well, I don't I don't.
- 40:52Speaker 18: Know if that's be he Because people have the right
- 40:55Speaker 18: to defend themselves, I know, but this is but this
- 40:57Speaker 18: is Wisconsina.
- 41:02Speaker 4: The continue and I I I I usually know that
- 41:05Speaker 4: people that dependents of the end up being accused of
- 41:10Speaker 4: being this and being that.
- 41:15Speaker 18: Well, I think if you'd asked me what.
- 41:16Speaker 16: I would have done, Yeah, you don't know.
- 41:20Speaker 18: I don't know.
- 41:22Speaker 20: I can tell you that I.
- 41:22Speaker 16: Wanted you want that many people if you had tried
- 41:25Speaker 16: to pull your pants down and hit you and yeah,
- 41:27Speaker 16: and two two two boys had a knife on him.
- 41:31Speaker 4: They didn't find any of those two knights.
- 41:33Speaker 18: I I don't know. I don't know, but we're looking,
- 41:35Speaker 18: and you know at we're looking.
- 41:37Speaker 16: Before I get the dark out, I'm glad I actually
- 41:41Speaker 16: took that kid to the knife.
- 41:42Speaker 4: He would have stabbed me. He was not there to
- 41:45Speaker 4: scare me, he was there to harm me.
- 41:48Speaker 10: Again, Notice how every time a knife gets brought up,
- 41:50Speaker 10: Nick feels the need to elaborately explain that he took
- 41:53Speaker 10: the knife and whoever had it was trying to hurt him.
- 41:56Speaker 10: This is all a deflection tactic to try and make
- 41:58Speaker 10: his lie seem less suspicious. Nick would take blood vitals
- 42:01Speaker 10: and the interview would conclude, but notice his difference in
- 42:04Speaker 10: tone between the start and the end of the interrogation.
- 42:07Speaker 10: Clearly he feels like something went wrong, and those emotions
- 42:11Speaker 10: would carry directly into his trial, which would go on
- 42:13Speaker 10: for nearly two weeks. The trial began with opening statements,
- 42:17Speaker 10: followed by witness testimonies from those present at the crime.
- 42:20Speaker 10: These were a complete mess and honestly made the prosecution
- 42:25Speaker 10: story seem a whole lot less credible. Take Larryon, for example,
- 42:28Speaker 10: who told a completely different story from what he told
- 42:30Speaker 10: officers during his police interview.
- 42:32Speaker 17: So, what you've provided to the state in terms of
- 42:35Speaker 17: what you say you observed, there's much more than that.
- 42:38Speaker 4: True.
- 42:40Speaker 17: Yes, So you give two statements, one about eleven days
- 42:43Speaker 17: after the incident twelve days and one twenty one months
- 42:47Speaker 17: after the incident. Which memory in terms of the dates
- 42:50Speaker 17: when you give those statements, is one better than the other?
- 42:53Speaker 17: If I said to you, memories normally better closer in
- 42:56Speaker 17: time to an event, would you agree with that?
- 42:58Speaker 18: Yes?
- 42:59Speaker 4: I remember he had a hat on.
- 43:01Speaker 17: He looked like he wasn't supposed to be in the water,
- 43:04Speaker 17: like he just came out of he came out of
- 43:07Speaker 17: the bushes.
- 43:08Speaker 4: Remember that? Yeah?
- 43:10Speaker 17: So is it your testimony today under that the person
- 43:14Speaker 17: involved in this incident had a hat on and came
- 43:17Speaker 17: out of the bushes.
- 43:18Speaker 14: No, you told the police I told him like, yes,
- 43:22Speaker 14: but I don't but I don't like you said it
- 43:25Speaker 14: could be foggy.
- 43:26Speaker 4: I don't think that's what it was. No more, though,
- 43:28Speaker 4: were you intentionally lying to the police.
- 43:31Speaker 10: No, this is the interview with the lawyer is referring to.
- 43:34Speaker 8: The guy with the knife. Fear.
- 43:36Speaker 14: He looked like not too heavy set, but he was
- 43:39Speaker 14: like an older man.
- 43:40Speaker 23: He was an older man.
- 43:41Speaker 4: I can't really remember like with his hair or anything.
- 43:44Speaker 4: Because I was just making something up. I don't really remember,
- 43:47Speaker 4: but I remember he had a hat on.
- 43:49Speaker 10: Yeah, he he looked like he wasn't suposed to be
- 43:52Speaker 10: in the water.
- 43:52Speaker 2: Like he just came out of the arm.
- 43:54Speaker 14: He he came out of the bushes. Next thing you know,
- 43:57Speaker 14: he get to walk it in the water and they'd like,
- 44:01Speaker 14: they'd like, they said, the fighters son, the dude in
- 44:04Speaker 14: the water swung on him and he pulled out the knife.
- 44:07Speaker 2: And get the stabbing.
- 44:08Speaker 10: It obvious. Lies like this work against the purpose of
- 44:11Speaker 10: his witness testimony and make everything the prosecution says less credible.
- 44:15Speaker 10: Generally speaking, this goes to show how unreliable witness statements
- 44:19Speaker 10: can be. Larryon's recollection of Nick's appearance wasn't even remotely close,
- 44:23Speaker 10: yet he was fully confident in those claims. Besides larry
- 44:27Speaker 10: On getting outed, the witness testimonies clearly showed the jury
- 44:30Speaker 10: all the evidence shown so far in this video and
- 44:33Speaker 10: every factual piece of evidence that could be used against Nick.
- 44:37Speaker 10: They claimed the teen's actions towards Nick did not justify
- 44:40Speaker 10: the use of deadly force and should not be considered
- 44:43Speaker 10: as self defense. To further prove this, they presented autopsy
- 44:46Speaker 10: reports showcasing just how severe some of the injuries inflicted
- 44:49Speaker 10: by Nick actually were.
- 44:51Speaker 15: Did you complete an internal examination of Isaac's body.
- 44:54Speaker 14: Yes, you summarized the results of your internal examination of
- 44:57Speaker 14: Isaac's body.
- 44:59Speaker 15: Sure, As I said, I observe most important, I observe
- 45:05Speaker 15: sharpest injury to his left chest. Later, I classify this
- 45:09Speaker 15: wound as a stab wound, so it was stab wound
- 45:12Speaker 15: to the left chest. The stab wound to penetrate to
- 45:14Speaker 15: his left chest cavity, then wound kind of continuous and
- 45:20Speaker 15: go to the left long. He had a blood in
- 45:22Speaker 15: his last left chest cavity. I recovered two hundred cubic
- 45:26Speaker 15: centimeters it's approximate in glass of the blood.
- 45:29Speaker 10: This would wrap up the prosecution's case and allow for
- 45:32Speaker 10: Nick to take the stand. Nick would detail essentially the
- 45:36Speaker 10: same story as in his interview, claiming that he was
- 45:38Speaker 10: searching for a lost cell phone in the river when
- 45:40Speaker 10: he was confronted by a group of people. He felt
- 45:43Speaker 10: threatened and panicked when they surrounded him, leading him to
- 45:46Speaker 10: use the knife in self defense. The jury deliberations would
- 45:49Speaker 10: begin on July twentieth, twenty twenty three, and on July
- 45:52Speaker 10: twenty first, they would return a unanimous verdict finding Nikolai
- 45:57Speaker 10: guilty a first degree intentional homicide with four counts of
- 46:01Speaker 10: attempted first degree intentional homicide. Nikolai had lost. This result
- 46:07Speaker 10: was met with mixed reactions from the public. On one hand,
- 46:10Speaker 10: it was clear that Nick's actions were extreme and it
- 46:13Speaker 10: was certainly not necessary to use that degree of force
- 46:16Speaker 10: against the teens. However, he was ganged up on thirteen
- 46:20Speaker 10: to one precisely in the moment. Many felt his response
- 46:23Speaker 10: was justified, and the teens put him in a scenario
- 46:26Speaker 10: to fight for his life. On the contrary, those who
- 46:29Speaker 10: watched all the evidence in court aka all the footage
- 46:31Speaker 10: shown in this video realized Nikolai was lying through his
- 46:35Speaker 10: teeth the entire time and clearly felt he was guilty
- 46:38Speaker 10: to some degree. However, public opinion is irrelevant in the
- 46:42Speaker 10: court of law, and the jury gets the final say,
- 46:44Speaker 10: determining he was a cold blooded killer the day of
- 46:48Speaker 10: July thirtieth, twenty twenty two. Nikolai would be sentenced shortly
- 46:53Speaker 10: after to life in prison.
- 46:56Speaker 2: This was his raw reaction.
- 46:58Speaker 22: Taking life and endangered the life of others are two
- 47:01Speaker 22: crimes that warrant significant punishment for Count one, I will
- 47:04Speaker 22: impose a term of initial confinement of twenty years, followed
- 47:08Speaker 22: by six years of extended supervision. Five years initial confinement
- 47:11Speaker 22: followed by five years of extended supervision.
- 47:13Speaker 7: Five years of initial confinement followed by five years of
- 47:16Speaker 7: extended supervision. Six years of initial confinement, followed by five
- 47:20Speaker 7: years of extended supervision.
- 47:21Speaker 22: Count six Madison Cohen two hundred and seventy days of
- 47:25Speaker 22: jail